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Hello, everybody, and welcome to True crime. Time for March 28, 2026, and I am Cindy Overton.
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Yay.
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I wish it was Woody and me, and I know y' all do, too, but we're trying. We are trying harder than you really, really could ever imagine.
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Stay tuned at the end for a few words that I want to say.
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Let's just go ahead and get started with this day in history. So on this day in 2006, the shoe fetish slayer, Jerry Brudos passed away in prison while serving three consecutive life sentences for the murders of four women. Brudos was apprehended after an investigation revealed
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that he had been calling college dorms
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searching for victims after a deceased woman, Linda Salee, was discovered in the Long Tom River.
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I thought that this was interesting, you know, curious about how he would get the name the Shoe Fetish Slayer.
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So I Did a little bit of
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a quick search of Jerry Brudos, who
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is actually Jerome Henry brudos and born January 31st of 1939. And he was, as you know, an American serial killer and necrophile. He's also known as the Lust Killer and then as I just said, the Shoe Fetish Slayer. And what he did was he committed the kidnap, rape and murder of four young women between 1968 and 1969 in Salem, Oregon.
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He also is known to have attempted
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to abduct two other young women. All of Brudos murders were committed inside either his car or the basement of
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the garage workshop of the two homes in which he resided.
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During the period he committed the murders. Each victim was killed by strangulation and several victims were photographed before and or after death. And three of his victims underwent postmortem dismemberment. Brudos is known to have engaged in acts of necrophilia with his victims bodies and to have retained selective body parts, invariably the severed breast or feet of three of his victims to both demonstrate his domination and to satiate his sexual fetish for women's feet, lingerie and shoes. Sentenced to three consecutive terms of life imprisonment to be served at Oregon State Penitentiary, Brudos died of liver cancer while incarcerated in 2006.
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Brudos became known as the Lust Killer
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due to the primal motive behind his crimes. And then of course he also became known as the Shoe Fetish Slayer due to his lifelong shoe fetch fetish. There's a lot of information about about him and his childhood and his emotional abuse belittlement all of the different things that he went through as a child. And then there is some more information about him that if you are a a serial killer buff you might be interested in learning about. But I am not a serial killer buff and do not want to give this man any more attention. I was just curious as to how he got his name.
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So that was this day in History
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for March 28, 2026. Foreign I'm going to label this this and you'll see why.
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It's time for Effed up professionals.
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We're going to Florida for this story and a Florida woman has been arrested for driving drunk and killing a 96
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year old geologist in a wrong way.
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Crash with the incident taking place shortly after. A police officer stopped her but let her off with a warning.
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That's why I pressed that button.
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Janice Taylor has been accused of DUI manslaughter in connection with the death of Arthur Gilbert. The crash took place near Naples just
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after 4am on March 18 on the
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southbound side of Interstate 75 near mile marker 109.
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Taylor, who's 24, was driving a Nissan
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Rogue north in the southbound lanes when she crashed into Gilbert's Volvo XC60. And this is according to the probable cause affidavit. Paramedics reported to the scene of the crash and rushed Gilbert to the hospital, and that is where he was pronounced dead. Medical staff also took a blood sample from Taylor and learned she had a blood alcohol content level of.213, which is twice the legal limit of.08.
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So how that man led her away,
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that police officer, when he stopped her,
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let her go with a warning is beyond me.
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But after she was read her Miranda rights, Taylor told police she had put her daughter to bed around 9:30pm on the night before the crash. She then met a friend at a bar before she went to a Waffle House to meet up with a guy. Taylor claimed she only had one glass of wine to drink on the night in question. Police said that she smirked when she was asked about drinking more than one alcoholic beverage. And during a bond Hearing on Monday, March 23, prosecutors revealed they learned new details about the night of the crash through a phone call Taylor made with a relative while in jail. You know, those calls are recorded.
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You just have to have people that
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are going to listen to them, but they are recorded. Taylor allegedly told the family member that a Collier county sheriff's deputy pulled her over just hours before the fatal crash, according to the courtroom report. Assistant State Attorney Maura Marzano said this is a quote. She says, yes, she was stopped and that she knew the officer. Two friends then took Taylor in her vehicle to a Waffle House and Taylor was back on the road again by 3:30am when traffic cameras picked her up driving a vehicle, her vehicle on golden gate Parkway and i75. She's asleep at an intersection for half an hour or more and then proceeds to somehow get on the interstate going the wrong way, marzano said. Taylor's attorney said that she had no intent for this to happen, though admitted that she was involved in a series of events that spiraled out of control and unfortunately ended in someone's death. In light of the claim that Taylor was pulled over by the police officer during an earlier traffic stop, Collier County Sheriff's Office says that the deputy involved, which is Eric Pellegrino, is now a subject of an internal investigation, as he should be. Taylor has been denied bond and is currently still in custody at the Collier County Jail and it's not currently clear if if she has entered a plea.
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Now, Gilbert, our victim, was a retired
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geologist and he was actually driving home after he dropped his wife off at the airport before the crash. His widow, Pamela Gilbert, said that it's up to the court to decide Taylor's fate. This woman will live with this for the rest of her life. The law will take care of whatever needs to happen and I couldn't put my energy into that anger and that police officer will have the opportunity hopefully to make that mistake again and learned a lesson.
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And obviously there's a lot of stuff
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that could have gone on between the time he stopped her and the time that she got into the accident.
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But my guess is that she was intoxicated enough to have, you know, been
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taken in at that time. But I don't know. That's allegedly we're going to Tennessee for our next story. It's a multi state story, but a teen that was reported missing from Ohio has been found safe in Florida, according to the FBI, which is amazing. Madison Fields, who's 16 years old, had been missing since February 13th and the Coleraine Township Police Department arrested a man in connection with her disappearance. FBI Cincinnati Special Agent in Charge Jason Cromati says, we are thankful Madison is safe and will soon be back in Ohio. I want to thank all of the law enforcement agencies involved for their relentless work to find Madison. We are all relieved that Madison has been safely located, coleraine Police Chief Edwin Cordy III stated. Coleraine police and our partners never gave up hope that she would be found and I am thankful for the hard work of our officers and detectives and the support of the community. The successful rescue of the teen is the product of strong law enforcement partnership and underscores the vital role of endangered missing child alerts. Added. Added Idaho Attorney General David Yost. When a child is reported missing, law enforcement uses every tool at their disposal and leaves no stone unturned. Fields was located after the Coleraine police, BCI and FBI identified a person of interest in her disappearance who lives in Tennessee. The FBI's Hostage Rescue Team was deployed to the suspect's home, but the suspect had fled before their arrival. Law enforcement was then able to identify a hotel in Florida where the suspect was believed to have been staying. An alert to law enforcement was issued to be on the lookout for the suspect and his vehicle. That vehicle was located by FBI Jacksonville and local police in a parking lot in Palatka, Florida. Madison was then found safe at a local hotel. The suspect was taken into custody. More details on the charges he will be facing with will be released in the near future. This is all according to a press release. The news comes after a New York man who had previous interactions with Madison was indicted on federal sexual exploitation charges on Thursday, March 12. Kyle Lawrence, who's 43 years old, was charged with transportation with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity and transportation of child pornography, According to the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Ohio. It was unclear if he had entered pleas to those charges and attempts to reach his lawyer were unsuccessful on March 13. So I am just glad that they found her and I'm glad that recently it seems to be that more and more are being found pretty quickly.
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My heart goes out to all of the missing kids that obviously have never
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been located in those families. We're going to go to Texas and Johnny Lilly, who's 19 years old, is charged with the shooting death of Jamarcus Johnson, who's 29, on Aldean Bender Road in Houston. And that happened on September 22nd of 2025. Lily was reported out on probation after being sentenced for a burglary of a motor vehicle in June of 2024 when he was taken into custody after illegally purchasing a firearm. While he's on probation, he he picks up a possession of prohibited weapon which was a machine gun, and Andy Kahan, Director of victim services and advocacy for Houston's Crime Stopper, said that that was pretty serious. Following the additional charges, Lily was reportedly granted bond and subsequently released from jail. Lily then picked up yet another charge stemming from a burglary of a second motor vehicle while again free, on bond and under the supervision of both the county's probation department and pretrial services.
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Now he's out on not one, but two bonds and is still on probation. Court documents show that Lily allegedly violated
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his bond at least half a dozen
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times following his release from jail. Pretrial Services says we cannot monitor him. He's not abiding by any of his conditions, kahan said. And again, he's allowed to remain on probation and multiple bonds after being released. Lily gunned down Johnson over a game of dice last year, Kahan said. All you had to do on one occasion was either revoke his probation or revoke his bond. That would have taken him out of being in the community. It would have locked him up. Jamarcus Johnson would be alive today. Now Lily remains in custody stemming from the murder and is being held on a $250,000 bond and the Harris County Prosecutor's Office did not comment. Repeat offender, repeat offender, repeat offender and a man is dead.
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What does that family do when you know that the system has allowed someone out repeatedly and repeatedly committed to commit
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crimes while out like and then someone gets murdered.
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It's time for Worldwide Crime Foreign
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on
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the outskirts of London for this one. Jack Frogel, who's also known as Ollie, died after being hit by David Lewis after arriving to collect his wife and two children from Himmel Hempstead Football Club in Hertfordshire on October 24. On Wednesday, Lewis was jailed for four years and two months at Lutton Crown Court after admitting manslaughter in January. The 38 year old will serve two thirds in custody before being released on license for the remainder of his sentence. And this is what Judge Michael Simon, the Honorary Recorder of Luton, said in his sentencing remarks. The judge said the defendant had indicated to police he drank eight pints of beer throughout the evening and told probation he had also been drinking Guinness and Tequila Rose. Judge Simon said the general dangers of drinking to excess are well known, but this case so graphically illustrates the the devastating consequences that can result from a single punch, a single act of violence. In this case, that single act of violence was not only alcohol fueled but utterly unprovoked. It would seem that every aspect of your conduct in relation to Mr. Froggle that night was seriously affected by your high level of self induced intoxication. The court heard Mr. Froggle had arrived shortly before midnight at the venue to collect his family and can be seen on CCTV jovially greeting many others, as well as playing pool with a young child. After the event was over, there was a disturbance of some type that did not involve Mr. Froggle at all or or Lewis initially, but did involve one of Lewis's friends, the judge said. Later. The friend, referred to as Mr. Jarman in the sentencing remarks, stood outside the building next to Mr. Froggle without a hint of any difficulty or issue between them. It is said Mr. Jarman and Mr. Froggle were were not known to each other. The judge said Mr. Jarman then starts to walk towards the exit some distance behind Mr. Froggle walks in the same direction, which is the exit in any event, but he stops again to talk to someone. You had followed, you say, because of a concern about Mr. Jarman's earlier behavior and overhearing someone making a comment that made you think Mr. Jarman might be at risk. Mr. Jarman did not seem too concerned by what one can see on the CCTV. And there is nothing in Mr. Froggle's actions to give cause for concern. Indeed, he can be seen walking towards and then past Mr. Jarman, which is when you accost him and after a brief interaction, you swing the fatal punch. Mr. Frog, who's 48 years old, was hospitalized and died nine days after the attack from a severe traumatic brain injury. On the indictment, the judge said it was at best a monumental alcohol fueled misjudgment with catastrophic consequences. Addressing the defendant, the judge said, you told probation that you expected Mr. Froggle to get back up again after you punched him.
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But as is obvious from the CCTV
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and not disputed, you did not actually stay to see what the outcome of your violence was. You were, however, in the vicinity long enough to appreciate that Mr. Froggle was not getting up. Lewis, a father of two, attended a police station to hand himself in the day after the attack, and Judge Simon said he had heard during mitigation the defendant had expressed genuine regret and sorrow at his actions of Mr. Fraggle. The judge said the victim personal statements read to court had told of the special qualities he possessed as well as his important role in the lives of his immediate and wider family and for all that he did for the benefit of others. People have no value of life. I don't understand. We're going to Nevada now. And a Nevada judge torched a smirking murder suspect for laughing at the devastated family of an 11 year old boy he's charged with fatally shooting during a road rage rampage last year. Tensions flared Tuesday when District Judge Jacqueline Bluth learned that Tyler Johns, who was accused of killing Brandon Dominguez during a violent Nov. 15 crash on the Las Vegas area freeway, had smiled, jeered and hurled insults at the victim's family before his hearing began. My courtroom is always very, very calm, even though emotions run very high in here, the judge told the packed courtroom. And the reason why I run so calmly is that I treat every single person that walks in those doors with dignity and respect. Bluff said she was informed the 22 year old had laughed and called the child's family names before she entered the
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it will never happen again. While the victim's advocate witnessed and reported the heartless exchange, the John's defense attorney, Ryan Helmick, denied the accusations, arguing that his client did not lob insults at the grieving family. It flat out did not happen, helmick insisted, noting Johns was upset about the claims. This is a very tragic case and Tyler is taking it very seriously. The tensions are high but but we don't appreciate the allegations being made. Johns allegedly fired a fatal shot at
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a SUV he was having a problem
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with and he struck a child that was seated in the back seat. The boy's stepfather, Valente Ayala, was driving him to school when the deadly scuffle erupted on Interstate 215 in Henderson. Police said the two men were aggressively jockeying for Elaine on a jam packed highway, prompting both to roll down their windows and scream at each other before the suspect allegedly pulled a handgun and opened fire on the victim's car. The young man was pronounced dead at the scene and the gunman got first degree murder and two counts of discharging a firearm. Body cam footage captured a seemingly guilt ridden Johns surrendering to a responding officer,
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admitting that the hot headed drivers were
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road raging and that the boy's death was 100% my fault, Johns told the cop. I shot him bro, as Ayala wailed in anguish on the side of the highway. There's pictures of all of this. I didn't know there was a effing kid in the back and I killed him. Hemlich argued Tuesday that the murder charge should be dropped, insisting that Johns had no intentions of shooting the boy and was unaware he was in the backseat. I'm sorry sir, there's no getting out of that. But the judge rejected the plea. If you fire a weapon not knowing and not meaning to hit a child and the child dies from it, you are on the hook for first degree murder, bluff said. Johns remains in custody at the Clark County Detention center with his trial slated to begin in November. And he should just plead guilty. He said it to the cop. I mean, I guess I don't know. Prayers for that poor family. We're coming back home for this one. Orleans Parish this is wild. A Louisiana man was sentenced to 30 years in prison for killing and dismembering his girlfriend, whose headless torso was found stuffed in a freezer inside an old bus on his property. Criminal District Court Judge Benedict Willard ordered Benjamin J. Bill, who's 38 years old, to serve the sentence in the state correctional facility for killing Julia daughter. Willard handed down the sentence after Bill, who had initially been charged with murder, reached a deal with prosecutors and pleaded guilty to manslaughter. Bill had reportedly been facing a maximum sentence of 40 years. Darter was initially reported missing by family members in December of 2021. The following month, authorities executed a search warrant on Bill's home in the 2300 block of Pauline street and investigators combing through the property found an old school bus, which was secured with a padlock, parked in the backyard of the home. Investigators utilized a key to unlock the padlock and made entry into the bus. Upon opening the lid of the freezer, investigators observed the headless torso of what appeared to be an adult human female. A deep linear cut was visible along the left shoulder upper arm area, which appeared to have been inflicted post mortem. An ice chest on the property also contained a reciprocating saw that authorities said appeared to have bits of flesh and fluid on the blade. Dardar and Bill had been dating but were having relationship problems when she went missing. And police also discovered a hidden meth lab inside Bill's home. After finding Dardar's remains inside the lab, investigators seized kerosene, glass dishes with white powder, propane, a Coleman grill and acetone. There was also a large black safe containing Dardar's keys, wallet and credit cards, who also recovered that. They also recovered that from Bill's home. Bill was arrested and transported to New Orleans Police Department headquarters where he refused to cooperate with investigators, provide a statement or answer any questions about the body
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He was then booked into the Orleans Parish Jail. Bill was scheduled to go to trial for Dardar's murder in August. After formally pleading to the manslaughter charge, he was transferred from Parish jail to to a state facility and I hope that this at least they found the missing woman and they are able to get her piece of her, Geez Louise. Are able to get her back to her family so they can have a proper burial and we want that for all missing people. This next one's going to Kentucky. Chrishad Davis, who's 18, stands charged with murder, first degree assault and second degree assault in connection with the incident that
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beating the teen, beating a teenager over the head with a handgun and then demanding his own teenage accomplice shoot and kill him. Thirteen year old boy faces charges for attempted murder and two counts of assault. The underlying incident occurred in the late afternoon on Friday on the 900 block of South Shelby street in Louisville. At about 4pm Davis and the teen were captured on surveillance video physically fighting with another 13 year old boy. Davis hit the victim in the head at least twice with a handgun. The surveillance footage reportedly lost sight of the three of them, but the two defendants returned to retrieve items. Davis is said to have then grabbed a handgun from the inside of his jacket, handed it to his accomplice and yelled kill him. The 13 year old suspect shot the other teen several times and then the two suspects ran away. Officers with the Louisville Metro Police Department reported arriving at the scene to find the shooting victim with multiple gunshot wounds. The two suspects were subsequently arrested and Davis is scheduled to appear in court for an arraignment on Wednesday. You know when I record okay with that, I'm going to end today's episode of True Crime Time free for Saturday, March 28, 2026. And remind everybody if you are listening today, Saturday, please go to Big J's side porch. I believe they will have a band tonight. I'm actually trying to look as I speak about any notification of a band playing playing tonight. I can't find anything but that they usually do if I'm not mistaken.
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So I'm trying to gauge the level of participation that we will have. I already know we have enough to fill one of the classrooms. Like even without promoting it, I know that one of the sizes of the classroom that Crystal gave me would be would be filled. But I want to have everybody to have the opportunity to do this because it will be over a three night
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It'll be like one night a week for three weeks. Most likely it will be a Tuesday night and it is like Woody said, I wish I could do my live events like this but it just because it's going to be that detailed. And for true crime fans, it's, you know, it's going to be like a little, I can't say a crime con because we aren't going to have anybody else there. You know, where you get to choose the classes that you want to go to. This is like Woody con, so it'll be so much fun. What we have planned is awesome and we'll get more details to you as we figure out how many people would
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Date: March 28, 2026
In this episode of "True Crime Time For," Cyndi Overton takes the lead in Woody’s absence to present a week's roundup of shocking, tragic, and sometimes absurd true crime stories from around the US and abroad. The episode’s main themes are the far-reaching and sometimes avoidable consequences of crime—from tragic misjudgments on the roads to failures of the justice system, and the relentless hope of families searching for missing loved ones. The episode is interspersed with reflection, advocacy for victims, and Cyndi’s conversational, empathetic tone.
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This episode offers an engaging, thoughtfully curated snapshot of crime in modern America (and overseas): preventable loss, failed systems, justice hard-won, and the indomitability of families and law enforcement. Cyndi Overton’s narration centers empathy for the victims throughout.
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