True Crime Time For May 15, 2025 | Disappearance of Caleb Diehl, Conviction of Frederick Wiggington and Stabbing of Dean

Summary

Real Life Real Crime: True Crime Time For – May 15, 2025

Hosts: Woody Overton and Cindy Overton
Release Date: May 15, 2025
Episode Title: Disappearance of Caleb Diehl, Conviction of Frederick Wiggington, and Stabbing of Dean

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Introduction

In this episode of True Crime Time For, hosts Woody and Cindy Overton delve into a series of gripping and complex cases that highlight the challenges and triumphs within the true crime justice system. From cold cases to recent violent incidents, the episode offers listeners an in-depth exploration of each story, enriched by the hosts' personal insights and experiences in law enforcement.

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Segment 1: The Disappearance of Caleb Diehl

Timestamp: [27:32 – 34:14]

Overview: Cindy introduces the haunting case of Caleb Diehl, an 18-year-old from Nocona, Texas, who vanished under mysterious circumstances in 2015. The narrative traces Caleb’s last known movements, the subsequent investigation, and the lingering questions that have kept his family and community searching for answers for years.

Key Points:

• Caleb’s Last Day: On March 30, 2015, Caleb left his mother's home driving a pickup truck borrowed from family friend Ricky Dell Howard. He intended to meet a friend and return later but never did.

• Initial Investigation: Caleb was reported missing on April 1, 2015, after failing to attend school and not returning home. His truck was found at Howard's shop with Caleb nowhere in sight, and his phone had been tampered with.

• Evidence and Suspicions: Investigators discovered a burn pit containing damaged electronics and a hidden plastic bag with incriminating items years later, which reignited suspicions towards Howard.

• Howard’s Criminal History: Further investigation revealed Howard's involvement in various criminal activities, including possession of child pornography and sexual exploitation of minors, leading to his conviction in 2021.

• Current Status: Despite Howard’s conviction, Caleb's body has never been found, and the case remains open. The family continues to seek closure and urges anyone with information to come forward.

Notable Quotes:

• Woody Overton: “[07:14] Detective Don Dillard revisited the case utilizing advanced DNA analysis and ballistics technology, establishing a direct connection between the evidence and Howard’s weapon.”

• Cindy Overton: “[11:08] After 50 years, Caleb’s family finally has answers, allowing them to begin the process of healing, even though true closure remains elusive.”

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Segment 2: Conviction of Frederick Wiggington

Timestamp: [12:44 – 26:14]

Overview: The hosts shift focus to Frederick Wiggington Jr., a man from Amherst, Virginia, convicted for the murder of his wife, Elise Wiggington, in June 2023. This case underscores issues within interagency communication and the complexities of prosecuting domestic violence crimes.

Key Points:

• Elise’s Disappearance: Elise Wiggington went missing on June 26, 2023, amid concerns about her husband Frederick's behavior, including threats conveyed via text messages.

• Investigation Developments: Initially, Frederick was arrested based on circumstantial evidence, including weapon analysis and incriminating fibers, but was released due to procedural oversights.

• Reopened Case: In 2025, Detective Don Dillard reexamined the case with modern forensic techniques, leading to robust evidence linking Frederick to the crime.

• Conviction: Frederick confessed to the murder while incarcerated, leading to his conviction on multiple felony charges despite the absence of a clear motive during the trial.

• Legal and Emotional Impact: The case highlights the painful reality that even with a conviction, the loss remains profound for the victims’ families, emphasizing that legal resolution does not equate to emotional closure.

Notable Quotes:

• Woody Overton: “[08:29] 'It’s about putting this motherfucker in jail. It’s about solving it. I don't give a fuck who gets the accolades.'”

• Cindy Overton: “[11:08] 'After 50 years, this family finally has that answer and they can actually rest.'”

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Segment 3: Stabbing Incident at Santa Ana High School

Timestamp: [38:36 – 49:00]

Overview: The episode continues with a distressing account of a recent violent incident at Santa Ana High School in California, where a student was fatally stabbed, and two others were injured. The discussion explores the implications of workplace violence and the ongoing challenges in securing educational environments.

Key Points:

• Incident Details: On May 7, a stabbing occurred outside Santa Ana High School, resulting in the death of a 17-year-old student and injuries to two others aged between 14 and 17.

• Suspects and Investigation: Two student suspects fled the scene and remain at large. The motive behind the attack is currently unclear, with authorities actively investigating.

• Impact on the Community: The school expressed profound sorrow and emphasized the emotional toll on students, staff, and families, highlighting the senseless nature of the violence.

• Prosecutorial Actions: Discussions touch upon the challenges of prosecuting such crimes, including handling suspects who may or may not face the death penalty, depending on state laws.

Notable Quotes:

• Cindy Overton: “[47:02] 'She was an amazing person who didn’t deserve this. She was living her best life doing the work she loved.'”

• Woody Overton: “[48:18] 'Security guard, 40 years old, killed the dean. That's workplace violence.'”

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Conclusion

In this episode, Woody and Cindy Overton present a compelling mix of resolved and ongoing cases, shedding light on the persistent issues within the criminal justice system, such as interagency communication failures and the quest for justice in cold cases. Their candid discussions and emotional responses provide listeners with a nuanced understanding of each case's human impact, reaffirming the podcast's dedication to uncovering the truth behind real-life crimes.

Final Thoughts: Woody emphasizes the importance of advocacy and diligent investigation, stating, “[50:39] 'But these hashtag justice fours, that’s what matters. What's really special is what's really, really special.'” The hosts express gratitude towards their listeners and reaffirm their commitment to bringing forward critical true crime stories, promising more in-depth analyses in future episodes.

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Note: This summary excludes commercial advertisements and non-content related banter between the hosts to focus solely on the pivotal true crime narratives discussed in the episode.

Transcript

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[Woody Overton]

Foreign hello everybody, and welcome this episode True Crime. Time for Thursday, May 15, 2025. And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

In middle of May.

[Cindy Overton]

Yes. Finally. You keep saying we're almost in the.

[Woody Overton]

Middle of maybe it's gone by so fast.

[Cindy Overton]

I know.

[Woody Overton]

Five months flying, right? Flying, flying. Been a hell of a year.

[Cindy Overton]

It has been.

[Woody Overton]

It's been just a hell of a year.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

You know, I can't say it's been all bad because it hadn't. But there's been a lot of bad. I don't even say battle. I don't even say that's bad. Like my. My dad and. And going through sickness. You know, that's been almost two years now. But I'm not. I'm very, very thankful that he's at peace now. It's that much that hurts. But it's bad for my mom. But we. We've had just all kinds of challenges.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

The battles or whatever.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

But I can't believe we're in the halfway through the fifth month of the year.

[Cindy Overton]

I know.

[Woody Overton]

It's crazy af. I'm looking forward to the rest of the year.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, sure. So you are.

[Cindy Overton]

Because this the next part when we get through summer. That's your favorite time.

[Woody Overton]

Yep. I must start fishing anyway. We got some vegetables growing. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm looking forward to business stuff. I'm looking forward to Haley's case. I'm looking forward to. Y' all continue to calling your tips on Ms. Barbara Blunt's case. I'm looking forward to starting on each after with the human trafficking series and looking forward to delving into some more cold cases. Looking forward to getting back to real life for Crime Originals. Looking forward to July 19 live show at Southeastern and everything else. We got a lot of shit coming down the pipe. A lot, a lot of shit. So anyway, that being said, lay something on us for Thirsty Thursday, Cindy.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, Thirsty Thursday is going to start in Boulder, Colorado.

[Woody Overton]

Boulder. Beautiful place.

[Cindy Overton]

And I got a cold case.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, yeah. I hope they solved it.

[Cindy Overton]

I think they did. So this on September 29th of 1975.

[Woody Overton]

Wow.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. 20 year old John Curtis Patterson began his shift as a clerk at the Cascade Service station on North Broadway in Boulder.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

Remember back in the day, like when you would pull up to a gas station, they would fill the gas.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. Then pump your gas and wipe your windshields. Check your washer. Washer fluid. I know a lot of cars didn't have that back then, but they would check your old and full services, what it was called. Yeah, I miss those days.

[Cindy Overton]

I do too. Well, I don't, because Dubs is with me. He's filling me up.

[Woody Overton]

But is he. Are you making him stick to that?

[Cindy Overton]

If he's with me, yes.

[Woody Overton]

That's. I told him that. Get out. Take care of your mama.

[Cindy Overton]

So John Curtis Patterson was known as having a friendly demeanor and he had dedication to his job and he was a familiar face to the locals. But that day would mark which September 29th would mark the beginning of a decades long mystery. So later that day, patrons found the gas station unattended. Concerned, they alerted authorities and the responding deputies discovered John's lifeless life in the station's restroom. He had suffered a fatal stab wound to the chest. The cash register was open with money missing. And two unfired.30 caliber cartridges lay on the floor bearing extractor marks.

[Woody Overton]

That's a very rare cartridge.

[Cindy Overton]

And light primer hits suggesting a possible malfunction or aborted firing attempt. So the investigation quickly led to probably.

[Woody Overton]

Added in the wrong size. Well, weapon, that's usually when that happens.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

Because it's not chambered for that. And the firing pin doesn't hit it. It's not calculated to hit it with enough force.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay. So the investigation quickly led to a guy named Lewis Jess Lo Cicero. And he was 32 years old. And he was a man with criminal history, including robbery, burglary and weapons charges. Frequent flyer Losero was staying at a nearby motel during the of the murder. And a search of his room yielded a 30 caliber M1 carbine rifle.

[Woody Overton]

So that's what in World War II they issued those two paratroopers. You know why? Because they were lighter than the regular firearm, than the rifle that regular soldiers carry.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

So.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

But I. I used to have two of those.

[Cindy Overton]

I was going to ask you. They popped in my head. I'd heard that before. There was a knife matching the dimensions of John's womb. And fibers from John's shirt on the knife and sheath. And hairs consistent with John's found on Lo Cicero's boots.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

But despite the evidence, Losacero was released after three days in custody and no charges were filed. The reason for the release remains unclear. And the case grew cold.

[Woody Overton]

Somebody some up.

[Cindy Overton]

So we're going to now Fast forward to 2025 and Detective Don Dillard of the Boulder County Sheriff's Office revisited the case utilizing Detective. Yes.

[Woody Overton]

Familiar DNA.

[Cindy Overton]

That's right. And employing the ballistics IQ system, investigators re examined the cartridges found on the crimes at the crime scene. And the analysis conclusively linked the cartridges to La Cicero's M1 carbine rifle, establishing a direct connection between the weapon and the crime scene. Further scrutiny revealed that some evidence from the initial investigation had not been properly communicated between agencies and possibly hindered the.

[Woody Overton]

The original cases progress and people don't understand and it's sad to say then, and I've witnessed it. I have never ever actually partaken in it. But it is the biggest dick contest when. When you get this interagency things, right? And they're like, oh, don't you know. And I had somebody come in the office one time, put a big fucking file on my desk and say, you take anything out of there that could be useful. This agency that's coming. Yeah, like fuck you. I'm not doing it now. And they. Because they won't solve the case.

[Cindy Overton]

Exactly.

[Woody Overton]

Motherfucker. It's about putting this motherfucker in jail. Yeah, right. It's about solving it. I don't give a fuck who gives the accolades. Right. The. I mean, you have such an inferiority complex. You're worried about they're going to get the news headlines above you. You solve the case, do your job well.

[Cindy Overton]

I mean, you've always, you have always said that like, even on perp walks, you wouldn't have to be there to walk that.

[Woody Overton]

Like.

[Cindy Overton]

But a lot of people have to.

[Woody Overton]

And they want to see their names and pride names and the news and the headline. Oh, I'm. I know. And I've been there. Cry because I Got the. The confession in because I sat there and wait for this dude to try to get the confession for a hour and a half and it took me 10 minutes exactly. And then we go out in the hallway and he's crying like a little p. I'm like why are you crying? It was my mouth's gonna be my first confession some. You could tell people you got the confession. I don't give a. We kind of write it up like that. This. He just confessed to murdering her. Right. I mean dick swinging contest. Never liked him. No, don't have to. No, I got what I got.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[Cindy Overton]

No, I got it.

[Woody Overton]

But that's. That's how. Especially back then and now I think everything's more digitized and. But the. That inner agency go back to Derek Tod of it and then. And serial killer from Baton Rouge. There's a lot of. But between these agencies that are supposed to be working together. They just hide from each other.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Why?

[Cindy Overton]

Because they.

[Woody Overton]

You want to catch this killer.

[Cindy Overton]

They didn't care.

[Woody Overton]

They wanted that cares who gets the credit?

[Cindy Overton]

I don't know. But apparently they care, right?

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

But unfortunately La Socicero passed away in Idaho in March of 2024.

[Woody Overton]

Hell or jail. L. Cesaro. Fuck you.

[Cindy Overton]

But nonetheless, the Boulder County District Attorney's office reviewed the new evidence and concluded that had La Cecero been alive, there would be sufficient proof beyond a reasonable doubt to prosecute him for John's murder.

[Woody Overton]

Thank you for even taking the time to look at it. All right. Because the detective could have just came in and said, hey, I got this. I tied it to this. Tied this at least the fucking boulders. Da's office nutted up and said you know what? Let's give this family a little bit. This dude is. It would have been prosecuted. His ass would have got it right.

[Cindy Overton]

That makes me cry. Sorry. But after 50 years, this family finally has that answer and they can actually rest. And so they've expressed.

[Woody Overton]

There's no fucking rest.

[Cindy Overton]

No. You know what I mean? They can actually.

[Woody Overton]

And there's no such thing as closure. You know this because you've worked these cases with me or you've seen me work.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

They never going to bring their loved one back. And I guarantee you if the mama was still alive 50 years later, it doesn't hurt any less for or the family members are still alive and miss that victim, it doesn't hurt them any less. But you know what? I'm giving props to the DA and the detective for doing it fucking bang up job, y' all.

[Cindy Overton]

And the family is obviously expressed profound gratitude to the Boulder County Sheriff's Office and Detective Dillard for their unwavering commitment to justice. So that. And you're absolutely right. There's no, there's no rest and there's no processing and there's no whatever.

[Woody Overton]

But it doesn't suck.

[Cindy Overton]

It doesn't suck.

[Woody Overton]

I would love to have that same statement, Ms. Barbara Blunt.

[Cindy Overton]

That's right.

[Woody Overton]

And even though they didn't do anything for the good ones that she left behind with the, you know, still would love to have it. Let me take you to. Let's talk about families. It's time for family matters. So we're going to Virginia. Oh, Virginia. Oh, Virginia. Man. Frederick Widget Jr. He is married to Elise Widgeton. And I guess I'm saying W I G G I n G T O N. Okay. All right.

[Cindy Overton]

Maybe Wigginton.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, whatever.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

They did my best. The Wigginton Widgeton could be right. However it is. It is. So you know, they're married and his wife Elise was 45 years old and on June 26th of 2023 she went missing.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. And the sheriff's office talks about in a press release, etc. Well, you know, they look for campfinder and time marches on. So I, you know, only for a year. Okay. And. But before she went missing. Let me tell you a little bit about that. Before she went missing she had a couple concerns about her husband. Frederick. Frederick. And she had texted her foster sister saying he is going to kill me. Right?

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And. And she made plans to go to Maryland where the foster sister live and move in with her and her family. But guess what? She never made it to Maryland. And according to court documents attained by WSET tv, Elise have actually filed for divorce from Frederick in June of 2020 claiming he was cheating on her with his ex wife, Patricia Wigginton.

[Cindy Overton]

He left her for a reason.

[Woody Overton]

Stick with me. Okay, the. But the public records showed that the divorce is in a non suit status meaning the court dismissed the case. Now we were going to go to the current times. I really don't know how to tell this without giving everything away. So I'm just going to tell you the A year ahead of time. And now she's been gone for a year. Right. And somehow more than that year later on August 14, 2024, the police get a search warrant for their Property in Amherst, VA and they search the property and I can give them give you one guess what happened.

[Cindy Overton]

They found her.

[Woody Overton]

They found Elise.

[Cindy Overton]

Where they find her in a burn pile?

[Woody Overton]

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[Cindy Overton]

Wow. So did they use cadaver dogs? How do you find someone under a concrete.

[Woody Overton]

I'm pretty sure somebody. Whoever gave the tip probably says she's buried underneath concrete slab. I wish somebody would call and tell me Ms. Borrower. And they've called and said they're under this building and sheriff's office has dug up already but not there. But anyway doesn't matter. She's buried under the concrete slab. Right. So then naturally that leads to Frederick Widgerton Jr's arrest right. In Amherst. And he at least by the way was a mother of two and worked in the nursing for nearly 30 years.

[Cindy Overton]

Wow.

[Woody Overton]

But so they take old Frederick in and they try him for first degree murder and use of a firearm. A commission of a felony in connection with Elise's murder. And guess what? He got convicted. Yay. Right? And I mean. Right. That's pretty cold. I mean the. The killing your wife, shooting her to death. Then you know, cement bags are heavy as and you got pretty sure you got to have somebody. I picked up my last cement bag in my life. I can tell you that. We're pouring the skin and shed and pouring those. Those posts for the. Around the headquarters. Yeah, I picked them up and carried them each once. Don't look at me like that. I'm not done saying what I got to say. I picked them up off the ground and carried them to each hole like two bags per hole and had to add the water to mix them and I couldn't understand while these bags that are this Small weigh so much more than okay a 50 pound bag of deer corn is big and I can throw it on my shoulder. A bag of concrete is half the size and weighs over 80 pounds. And I'm old AF and I had to pick each one up and boom and bust and whatever and I'm done doing that. But this dude had to do it. And then you got to spread it out. If you're not just pouring in a hole and you're making a slab like this, that takes some hard work. Get put up boards and. And fill it in and level everything out. I mean and meanwhile your wife is laying under probably. Yeah. So anyway he got convicted. Now Patricia, the one he was accused is his former wife is accused of cheating with. She's also also facing charges connection with Lisa's death. And they say she in the criminal complaint she that Patricia moved in with Frederick around the time Elise went missing. There's she probably doesn't want to care to see McMax and she lied to investigators about Elise's whereabouts. So the she's got charges including instruction to justice, ancestor after the fact etc. And she's got. I'm pretty sure her ass is going trial too. But the listen on the trial most people and all you true crime fans out there, I don't know why a lot of you do not know this. In trial the motive was never outlined. You know why? Because you don't have to. You don't have to prove motive.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

You have to prove they did the crime. Right. So the motive was never outlined during trial. But oh. Frederick Selley at the Halifax County Adult Detention center where Frederick was being held testified that Frederick admitted to killing his wife in June of 2023. Now Frederick's defense said that the evidence of play was circumstantial at best. Well yeah, guess what? And people get convicted on circumstantial evidence all the time. And that's just crazy as Right. Oh guess what. Elise also doted on her grandchildren and devoted her time to members in the community that were in need until Frederick decided he didn't want to deal with her anymore. Put a bullet in her head, dug a hole, poured a slab, moved this other check in.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Not anymore. Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Does Virginia have the death penalty?

[Cindy Overton]

Here's what I found.

[Woody Overton]

I mean because that deserves it, right? Don't you think?

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

So history death penalty has been in for 300 years in Virginia. It was carried out first by hanging, then electrocution. Last execution by hanging was in 1909. February 3, 2021, Virginia State Senate voted to abolish the Commonwealth death penalty. So, no, they do not have it. Sorry for you, Ms. Elise, because those motherfuckers deserve it.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

There you have it. Joy. Joy.

[Cindy Overton]

All right.

[Woody Overton]

That's too much work, by the way.

[Cindy Overton]

Obviously, you. You laid it out very clearly.

[Woody Overton]

It's too much work.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, personally, if I was going to do a murder, the. As good, great as I am at blocking out, I don't want the body underneath my feet all the time. I mean, let's go out on the patio and have morning coffees over Elise. That's what. That's what. It works too. Every time you look out the backyard window, you look into a lease. Maybe they got off on it. They might add sex on top of Elise.

[Cindy Overton]

They might have. I mean, they don't. Stupid people.

[Woody Overton]

I know. Obviously.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, you're not normal.

[Woody Overton]

Obviously. Obviously. And then you're gonna be so stupid to tell your celly. I mean, that.

[Cindy Overton]

Look, David Anthony Burns was stupid enough to tell lots of people. I mean, lots of people.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, but that was before he got arrested. When he was on. They did this. Dude did it in the jail cell. I mean, you trying to get some street cred like, please don't buttfuck me. I killed my wife. Be honest with you. I'm in here for murder already and I will murder you. Don't make me toss your salad. What other reason do you have to tell your celly that you murdered your wife? And it's not like he just got up there and said, he told me he murdered his wife. He told me he murdered his wife and he buried her or he shot her. They had to have some fact that they could tie it together. They know he's telling the truth. Where they put him up there. Yeah, I don't understand that, but.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, what is your saying? Prisons are full of dummies. Okay.

[Woody Overton]

Yep.

[Cindy Overton]

So there's that.

[Woody Overton]

And there's no buried bodies on our properties that we know of that I put there or that I don't. You see, you might be burying every day. I don't know what you do.

[Cindy Overton]

You know exactly what I do. I'm in my office all damn day.

[Woody Overton]

I don't know what you do when I'm gone.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, my.

[Woody Overton]

You might be a killer. You might be a serial killer.

[Cindy Overton]

Don't say stuff like that.

[Woody Overton]

You are a serial killer.

[Cindy Overton]

What have I killed?

[Woody Overton]

Last night when I had hot chocolate chip cookies, I said, once you get. You want them chocolate chip cookies, you said, nope, I'm eating cereal.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, my God, you're a serial killer.

[Woody Overton]

You're so stupid. But you don't like that word spongebob.

[Cindy Overton]

Unless it defines you. But unless the shoe fits and then.

[Woody Overton]

I'll just wear it.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay. Have you heard of Nakona, Texas?

[Woody Overton]

The Kona and then a style of handmade boots. Don't have a pair of handmade boots from there.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, I don't. I don't.

[Woody Overton]

Guaranteed for life. Anything goes wrong when I'm sending back and that dude will rehandle them.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah, I don't know if they're Nicole.

[Woody Overton]

I'm pretty sure they are. Okay, well, I may be wrong though.

[Cindy Overton]

We're going way back in time to March 30th of 2015.

[Woody Overton]

2015. Way back in time. All 10 years.

[Cindy Overton]

Hey, that's pretty far back in time.

[Woody Overton]

Then you and I have been together forever.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, no, we have.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, the good, the bad, the ugly.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah, it's true.

[Woody Overton]

All right, so Mark, way back in time.

[Cindy Overton]

Way back in time.

[Woody Overton]

Ten years.

[Cindy Overton]

That's pretty far.

[Woody Overton]

Some people not considering I graduated 37 years ago.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay, well, it's not a today story. Okay, okay. It's not from 2025.

[Woody Overton]

It's true crime. Lay it on us.

[Cindy Overton]

18 year old Caleb Dill. D I E H L Dill. Right. I would guess he was a high school senior known for his adventurous spirit and close knit family ties.

[Woody Overton]

He'd be de. Because you said was not right.

[Cindy Overton]

He left his mother's home in nocona, Texas around 5pm he was driving a pickup truck borrowed from they're coming to Texas.

[Woody Overton]

Go ahead from. Go ahead.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm so he was dry driving a pickup truck borrowed from Ricky Dell Howard, which was a trusted family friend and local businessman. His vehicle was undergoing repairs.

[Woody Overton]

This is, this is. This is right outside of. Just north of Austin because it's just to the east around Rock.

[Cindy Overton]

So it might ask if they have boots. No Kona boots.

[Woody Overton]

I'm sorry. I just want to know where it's at. You're telling about a young dude. I'm disrespecting him being murdered.

[Cindy Overton]

So he's borrowing his friend's truck, his car is being repaired and he mentioned he was going to hang out with a friend and would return later. Later that evening. But he never came back.

[Woody Overton]

Never came home.

[Cindy Overton]

So when Caleb failed to attend school the following day and his phone went straight to voicemail, his family grew concerned.

[Woody Overton]

His family wasn't concerned. How, how old was he?

[Cindy Overton]

18.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, he might have been over.

[Cindy Overton]

I mean. Hey, Mom. I'll be back.

[Woody Overton]

Like he might have been over Susie's house, Right? Right.

[Cindy Overton]

So, on April 1, his mother, Tammy Dale, reported him missing to the Nocona Police Department. She also contacted Howard to inform him that the police would be reaching out regarding his truck's license plate. Because he had borrowed Howard's truck.

[Woody Overton]

And they got all the license. Well, I don't know if they had them back then, but. Go ahead.

[Cindy Overton]

Later that day, Howard called Tammy to say the pickup had reappeared at his shop, parked in its usual spot, with keys hanging where they were normally kept.

[Woody Overton]

Magic.

[Cindy Overton]

There was no sign of Caleb.

[Woody Overton]

Investigators. They didn't have cameras either.

[Cindy Overton]

Investigators traced Caleb's cell phone signal to Howard's property to the shop where the truck was.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

Where it was last active before losing signal.

[Woody Overton]

Means they took the card out.

[Cindy Overton]

Howard claimed he found a broken phone on the floor and discarded it. Suspicion grew when Howard.

[Woody Overton]

Shit's not looking good for you.

[Cindy Overton]

Howard removed and destroyed the SIM card from his own phone.

[Woody Overton]

How?

[Cindy Overton]

Shortly after law enforcement became involved.

[Woody Overton]

Detective Overton, be on your ass.

[Cindy Overton]

So, a search of Howard's properties revealed a burn pit.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, Lord.

[Cindy Overton]

Containing incinerated computer towers, which he stated belonged to his deceased parents.

[Woody Overton]

So who's Howard? Still not looking good for you.

[Cindy Overton]

The case went cold until 2017, when Tammy discovered a plastic bag hidden in a bathroom cabinet. Inside were a clock radio with a hidden camera.

[Woody Overton]

Oh.

[Cindy Overton]

Handwritten notes of polygraph questions.

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[Cindy Overton]

And a tape recorder with an audio of a man. Sounds like practicing polygraph questions.

[Woody Overton]

Really?

[Cindy Overton]

Investigators identified the handwriting and voice as.

[Woody Overton]

Don't say Woody Overton's. As the missing.

[Cindy Overton]

The person on the void. The voice.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, Howard.

[Cindy Overton]

That's right, Howard.

[Woody Overton]

You're really gonna get your ass cracked. Well, he's got away for it for seven years, this discovery. I bet they called it my boys.

[Cindy Overton]

From the Texas Rangers a re examine of the case.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Cindy Overton]

Further investigation uncovered Howard's criminal history, including a chop shop, including bank fraud and a 2007 conviction for the bank fraud. During the investigation, the FBI had received allegations from multiple young men who claimed Howard had sexually assaulted them during their teenage years.

[Woody Overton]

So Howard, grown man being a chomo, recruited these kids for a little playtime for him. And there. That ties back into the computer towers. I bet he recorded it. Ties back into the clock. I bet he secretly recorded the felonious acts.

[Cindy Overton]

Yep. And so, at the time, allegations had not led to charges. But in 2018, law enforcement attained Howard's computers and discovered hundreds of images of child pornography, including photos of Caleb.

[Woody Overton]

Really?

[Cindy Overton]

Various states of undress.

[Woody Overton]

You would have thought that dumbass when he burned burnt the rest of it. He'd burn a bit of Paul. Just couldn't let go.

[Cindy Overton]

Some images depicted Howard sexually abusing a nude male minor between the ages of 13 and 15. Howard, whom Caleb's family identified as him.

[Woody Overton]

Oh God.

[Cindy Overton]

Howard was charged with multiple counts including possession of child pornography and sexual exploitation of a minor. His first trial ended in a mistrial due to a juror's injury. Subsequently, Howard pleaded guilty to one count of sexual exploitation of a minor in exchange for the dismissal of over 40 charges. So in October of 2021, he was sentenced to the maximum term of 30 years in federal prison. Despite the conviction, Caleb's whereabouts remain unknown and authorities have not ruled out.

[Woody Overton]

Never let that make a deal without producing the body.

[Cindy Overton]

Exactly. So the case remains open. Caleb was last seen at 18 years old. He was 6 foot 2, weighing approximately 165 pounds with blonde hair and blue eyes. And the family is asking for any information.

[Woody Overton]

Marie, dig on this one. That is interesting AF to me and it's the case I. Hey lifers. Woody Overton here and I want to talk to y' all about something that's come up around our house more than once lately. Hormones. Now, I can't speak from personal experience on this one, but I've seen it firsthand with Cindy. There were days she'd be feeling drained, overwhelmed, even a little off. We couldn't figure out why she was eating right, taking care of herself, getting things done like always. But something just wasn't clicking. Turns out it wasn't just stress, it wasn't just being tired. She took this free two minute quiz from a company called Happy Mammoth and it gave her some serious insight into what might be going on with her hormone levels. After answering just a few simple questions, she got personalized breakdown. And one of the main things it pointed out was that her body may be overloaded with estrogen. That's when we found Hormone Harmony. Happy Mammoth's plant based herbal formula designed to support your hormone levels, stress response and overall well being. Since Cindy started taking Hormone Harmony, she said it's made a noticeable difference. Things like occasional bloating, low energy and those mild mood dips, all less frequent. And it didn't take a huge lifestyle overhaul to see those changes. Just a small daily habit that fit right into her routine. Now listen, this isn't some one size fits all deal. This quiz gives you personalized recommendations so you can understand what's going on in your body and what might help you feel better. Whether it's Hormone Harmony or one of their other hormone support products, you'll know exactly where to start. And here's the thing. Happy Mammoth has helped thousands of women. They have over 40,000 5 star reviews and a bottle of Hormone harmony cells every 24 seconds. That many folks can't be wrong. Ready to start feeling like yourself again? Head over happy mammoth.com and take their free 2 minute hormone quiz today to find the ultimate answer to your stubborn hormonal issues. And for a limited time you can also get 15% off your entire first order with my code RLRC at checkout. That's H A P Y M A M m o t h.com and use the code RLRC for 15% off today. I'd like to because Leah will find some yeah and the she's our investigator produce y' all dig it up. Leah get it to me in in some months down the line one day I'll read it.

[Cindy Overton]

I want to know about this polygraph.

[Woody Overton]

Like yeah absolutely interesting as right. And then that must means to me either he was going to pay a defense attorney to hire someone to come in, he was going to try to cheat or beat the test or the police asked him to take one and he refused. But now even when I, when I did it in law enforcement two kinds of people that took my test. The ones who took it because they knew they could pass it and the ones who took it because they knew if they didn't take it it'd make them look guilty. And those are the ones who would have the list of questions and be practicing all the countermeasures which are physical, mental or narcotic. You know, butt cheek squeeze, biting your tongue, doing math problems in your head. Eden Xanax and all that. But if you're thinking about doing that and you get Woody Overton as a polygraph examiner you're. Because I'm training all the countermeasures and your body cannot naturally produce those physiological traces. But most examiners aren't trained. They only get like a one day class on that right. So I don't know. Very interesting. I'd like to know more about that. And that's right there by Leah Marie and the I got the good friends. I guarantee I know who the polygraph examiner is if that's the case and I would like I just like to look at it. Who knows maybe I don't know, 20 years in federal prison. He ain't getting out. He's gonna do 19 of them at least. But that's interesting. I would watch that if that was a movie, right?

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

I don't know. So. Well, you know, this. This is sad. The. The. I don't know why we hadn't reported on yet, y' all. In Santa Ana High School in California, the people are heartbroken as a student has died and two others have been hospitalized after a stabbing outside the school in California. And in the statement posted on Wednesday, May 7, said that the school was heartbroken to confirm that one of the students injured in an incident outside the Santa Ana High School this afternoon has tragically passed away. It added that two additional students were also injured and remain hospitalized. I. I'm telling. I told you I'd rather be gunshot.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

But according to NBC News, authorities confirmed the stabbing happened on Wednesday, May 7, in front of the school. And the Los Angeles Times says that the three victims are aged between 14 and 17. Now, the school statement stated that the incident involved an altercation among several individuals which occur right after the last bell rang around 3.25pm so local KLTA said that two suspects, also believed to be students, ran from the scene or were being searched for. And it's unclear what the motive is. Of course, the school says our thoughts are with the family, the student who passed, and all those impacted by the senseless act of. To violence. We understand the emotional toll it may have on our students, staff and families across the district and noted that the stabbing was being actively investigated by the Santa Ana Police Department. And school goes on to say a whole bunch more shit. But, you know, kids.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Teens, young teens. Primitive life. Stabbing. They're not gonna release what the. You think you can get away with it? I mean, you did it right outside the school.

[Cindy Overton]

I don't know.

[Woody Overton]

Everybody saw. You got two living victims. They gonna say Joe Blow stabbed me.

[Cindy Overton]

I don't know.

[Woody Overton]

But there you go. It's enough said on that.

[Cindy Overton]

Amazing.

[Woody Overton]

The. I meant to tell y' all that one the other day. I just. It's another senseless tragedy and I guess, you know, metal detectors don't work because maybe they had it outside. Whatever. I don't know. Well, let me give you one more real quick. All right. The security guard. Now, I feel about that. The. And not knocking them because a lot of them are retired cops and a lot of them could never be cops. Want to be cops. And the. When I did, the security consultant for one of the most prestigious jury firms in the United States. And I would fly to their different locations and I think I've told this story before, they So I was in charge of their use of force policy. And they have armed guards, they sell Rolexes and shit like that, right? The highest end jury. And I walked up and I would always get out there and do a little surveillance in the morning times ahead of time. And security guard would get there first. And then as employees walk up, they're supposed to look around, had the keys in the hand. Security guard supposed to stand facing out and all this blah, blah, blah. So I'm watching in this security guard walks up and he's a kid, but he's like 6 foot 6, 360 pounds. He's a monster. But he's young as. And I'm watching him and he does whatever. And he's got, which is very rare nowadays, a big ass revolver on his hip. Everybody carries like Glocks and semiautomatics. And I'm watching and I watch everybody come and go, whatever. And then I go in and I would send somebody in the day before to go under cover art to try to do shit to get them to violate policy so we could address. I would address my security means. Long story short, one of the things I would do at those meetings or after the meetings is interview the security guards and make sure they were following I gave the guidelines. I set the guidelines. Security guards. So I walked up to him, I say, man, how you doing? I'm doing, I'm doing fine, sir. The and a lot of times, y' all, I'm not throwing shade, but the security guards are people that can't get into the military and can't get to the law enforcement academy. But they want to wear a badge no matter what kind it is, they want that power. And I said, I said, I'm doing fine, sir. All military and, and, and I'm not good. I'm looking into this dirty hairy cannon. He's got it on the side. And I'm like, you carrying a revolver, huh? Yes, sir. Boy, his eyes kind of gleaned over and he put his hand on the butt of his pistol and kind of gleaned over. He said, yes, sir.357 Magnum, most powerful handgun in the world. I said, that it is, my friend, that it is. I said, do you. What was the last time you qualified with it? It?

[Cindy Overton]

Have you ever shot it?

[Woody Overton]

Under Louisiana law, you have to qualify with your weapon, right? And under Woody Overton's rules, you damn sure had to submit that to the, the store.

[Cindy Overton]

Right?

[Woody Overton]

All right. To get hired to the company, the comp. The company hired this outside security firm who provides Your security guards, right. The. They are supposed to apply the company with these trainers, professionals. And they had a strict set of rules and all that. These eyes gleaned over and had his hand recessive. When is the last time you qualified with it? Look, it's hard to qualify on the post course with revolver. I mean, think about it. Like the weapon I carried had 16 rounds and one in the chamber. And you have different stations where you shoot a total of 60 rounds. I didn't have you. You had to have some mandatory magazine changes. Right. During this, during different stages, just to prove that you could do it.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

These motherfuckers had to roll out their six shooter and knock them off. Exactly right. So anyway, his eyes glazed over and I said, when was the last time you qualified? He said, I've never qualified. I said, never? He said, no, I've never even shot this guy. Said, okay, I'll be right back. When I said. I said call security to come and said, this motherfucker's fire. Get him off the property. I remember I said about. That was a Woody ism story to tell you about this story. So I went off on a tangent. So they had a lady named Dr. Kamisha Denise Clark. Had she be that. And now she's been remembered by her family this week as an amazing person who was living her best life doing the work she loved. And she was a college dean.

[Cindy Overton]

Wow.

[Woody Overton]

Right. And a doctor. Right. She was a college dean who holds position at a doctorate doing the work she loves. And she was in her office last week when she was fatally shot. So Prosecutors say the Dr. Carmecia Denise Clark, who is a dean at Spartan College of Aeronautics and Technology in Inglewood, California, was shot inside her office by the security guard. Security guard last Friday. She was only 35 years old. Now, school officials describe the shooting as an apparent act of workplace violence in KTLA again. And. And the local KABC reported that Clark, who was a Clark Atlanta University graduate who had recently moved to Los Angeles to take the job as the dean of Spartan College. The dean.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. So doctorate dean, doctor dean, the head of the whole college.

[Cindy Overton]

I got it.

[Woody Overton]

Top enchilada.

[Cindy Overton]

We got it right.

[Woody Overton]

So she was taken to a local hospital where she later died. And the KTLA reports that another victim, who was a receptionist in an office, was also injured in the shooting, remains in critical condition. Now, the police said this week that a motive is unclear. All right, whatever. Cork's family, naturally, and everybody's mourner, and they're beyond devastated. They said Commission's life was taken from us too soon in an act of sensation. Violence that no woman should ever have to endure. She was an amazing person who didn't deserve this. She was living her best life doing the work she loved. Kamesha was the most compassionate, loving and fiercely loyal person. She was a radiant, joyful, driven and compassionate woman who touched countless lives across the country from her hometown of Atlanta, Georgia to la. Now, the LA District Attorney's office said that a former school security guard, Jesse Figuerio, had been arrested after running like, a little from the campus. And he's been charged with the shootings.

[Cindy Overton]

Good.

[Woody Overton]

He's 40 years old. He's charged with one count of felony murder, another felony for attempted murder, as well as a whole slew of other charges. All right, any faces life sentence. So the other charges are about using a handgun and all that. And he's. So they can get another 25 years for those. The. But there you go.

[Cindy Overton]

Wow.

[Woody Overton]

Security guard, 40 years old, killed the dean. That's workplace violence.

[Cindy Overton]

And shot someone.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, well, I'm sure the sick. It was like. Is the dean in? Do you have an appointment, sir? Here's my appointment.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Boom. And I bet you he never qualified for that weapon.

[Cindy Overton]

Probably not him for sure.

[Woody Overton]

California has death penalty.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm so surprised by that.

[Woody Overton]

I am. Too bad One Life for Special Needs said the governor is blocking it. Like her governor was blocking all those years. Well, guess what? That can be reelected.

[Cindy Overton]

I was gonna say. At least they keep it on the book.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, they're. They have a death row. I should ask Siri. Do they have a death row? Probably 80% of states don't do it. Yeah, y' all. Look, we gotta get out of here. But we love you, we thank you, we appreciate you. You're the.

[Cindy Overton]

The bomb.

[Woody Overton]

The bomb lifers. I'm gonna say this. And it just popped my head on. On Haley's case. And you're gonna hear about tomorrow. Who in the hell gets this dime? Over two years, this mama. The sister and friend have been fighting. Fighting tooth and nail, begging, screaming, pleading for somebody to do something. And we did it. We. And you'll get all the juice tomorrow. Yeah, we did it, y' all. Hell to the s. Hell to the. Yes lifers. So we do a lot of crazy on this show. We do news stories and scorched. And we got human trafficking coming up. But these hashtag justice fours, that's what matters. What's really special.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

That's what's really, really special. And y' all are the best in the world. And I'm Woody. Over. Cindy Overton I'm Cindy Overton, the host of True Crime. Time for Thirsty Thursday. We'll holler at y' all later. We'll be too loud. Peace.

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