True Crime Time For May 19, 2026 | Albert Fish, Teen Shooting Spree, Hidden Cameras & Cold Case Justice

Summary

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Real Life Real Crime

Episode Summary: "True Crime Time For May 19, 2026 | Albert Fish, Teen Shooting Spree, Hidden Cameras & Cold Case Justice"

Host: Woody Overton (Real Life Real Crime Productions)
Date: May 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this gripping installment of "True Crime Time For," Woody Overton covers a gamut of intense true crime stories, both historical and unfolding. From the horrifying case of serial killer Albert Fish, through the chaos of a teen shooting spree in Austin, revelations about tech-savvy burglary crews, to the triumph of a cold case arrest and the complexities of justice for the wrongfully convicted, Woody brings his insider law enforcement experience and authentic Southern drawl to stories that are twisted, gruesome, sometimes down-right unbelievable—but always true.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Albert Fish: America’s First Famous Cannibal Serial Killer

[04:15] – [17:43]

• Historical True Crime Spotlight: Woody dives into the monstrous case of Albert Fish, born in 1870—a man whose crimes rival anything from today. Fish’s abuse-filled upbringing in an orphanage, his penchant for pain, sadomasochism, and cannibalism, and his confessed crimes against (primarily poor) children are relayed in chilling detail.
• Letter from the Killer: Woody reads part of the infamous letter Fish sent to the Budd family, graphically recounting the murder and consumption of 10-year-old Grace Budd. The hosts react viscerally, highlighting just how depraved Fish’s actions were.
  • “He would tie children up and whip them with a belt cut in half with nails sticking through to tenderize the flesh for cooking. Fish called his weapons ‘instruments of hell.’” (Woody, [09:13])
• Trial & Execution: Fish pled insanity, but was found sane and executed in Sing Sing in 1936, reportedly even helping with his own execution.
  • “His last words are said to have been, ‘I don’t know why I’m here.’” (Woody, [17:00])
• Memorable moment: The hosts are alternately horrified and fascinated, with Co-host 1 summing it up: "Holy s***, this dude’s out there." ([15:21])

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2. Recent Case: Teen Shooting Spree in Austin, Texas

[18:01] – [26:30]

• Incident Rundown: Austin police apprehend a trio of teenagers (aged 15–17) linked to a series of 12 shootings across the city, which hit homes, fire stations, and injured four people.
  • “Austin Police department chief Lisa Davis said... investigators took a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old into custody following the shootings…” (Woody, [18:21])
• Criminal Progression: The spree included car thefts, firearm thefts, random shootings, and direct attacks on public safety buildings.
• Community Impact: Residents faced a shelter-in-place order while police searched for suspects. The hosts discuss how disturbingly normalized such incidents are becoming among youth.
  • “The kids being s***heads.” (Co-host, [25:27])
• Public Safety Reminder: Emphasis on securing vehicles and firearms; frustration expressed at how such crimes can unfold in the age of surveillance.

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3. Burglary Crews Using Hidden Cameras

[26:33] – [29:25]

• Law Enforcement Alert: In Southern California, police warn of burglary crews planting disguised cameras/hotspot setups in homeowners’ bushes to surveil residents’ routines.
  • “Police are urging homeowners across Southern California to check their yards and bushes for hidden cameras.” (News segment, [26:39])
• Safety Tips:
  • Regularly inspect property, look for hidden devices, trim bushes, install/monitor security systems, and do nighttime flashlight sweeps for reflective camera lenses.
• Host Commentary: Woody and company marvel at how criminals leverage modern tech to up their game, with hints of dark humor about the ease of such surveillance.
  • “I always think that I’m on camera no matter where I go. So it is what it is.” (Co-host, [29:26])

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4. Dumb Criminals: Online Threats and Arrests

[29:33] – [33:55]

• Arkansas Walmart Shooter Threat: A man was arrested after threatening a mass shooting at Walmart if the county locked down due to a hantavirus outbreak—remarkably, the threat was made during online video gaming, and another gamer reported him.
  • “It’s like making a bomb threat on a plane nowadays.” (Co-host, [32:00])
• Rapid Response: Law enforcement traced the username, searched his home, and arrested him—all based on digital evidence, showcasing modern criminal investigation techniques.
• Reflecting on COVID-19: The discussion dovetails into the anxieties and erratic behavior of the pandemic era, expressing hope never to see such mass disruption again.

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5. Justice System Corner: Cold Cases and Exonerations

[33:55] – [42:40]

A. Wrongful Conviction—Richard Glossip’s Release

[34:40] – [38:43]

• Celeb Advocacy: Kardashians (Kim) step up for Oklahoma death row inmate Richard Glossip, who was freed (on $500,000 bond) pending retrial after his conviction was overturned for prosecutorial misconduct.
  • “It’s overwhelming, but it’s amazing at the same time...” (Glossip, [41:05])
• Fair Trial Mandate: AG pledges the retrial will be fair. Hosts highlight how close Glossip came to execution several times, emphasizing the importance of justice and the dangers of wrongful conviction.
  • "If it wasn’t done right, retry him... what if he didn’t do it, he didn’t do it. Let him off. But if he did, y’all, this is why you never, ever give up. Never give up." (Co-host, [42:26])

B. Cold Case Breakthrough—Alice Hawks Murder (1980s)

[42:40] – [50:11]

• Break in 39-Year-Old Case: Maine State Police arrest Steven Bouchard in the 1980s murder of his then-girlfriend, Alice Hawks, after a Cold Case Unit reinvestigation.
  • “We have never forgotten Alice and we will never forget what happened to her.” (Alice’s sister, [43:53])
• Law Enforcement Reflections: Woody explains the challenge of moving cases from ‘probable cause’ to ‘beyond reasonable doubt,’ and urges listeners to never give up hope—tips and revisited evidence can change the outcome, no matter how cold the case.
  • “These cases aren’t always slam dunks. Until people like you, lifers that are listening right now, call 313-RLRCTIP.” (Woody, [47:39])

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Standout Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Albert Fish’s Crimes:
  "He said he tried sticking a needle in his scrotum, but it was too painful... He would stuff cotton balls soaked with lighter fluid into his rectum and set fire to them. Holy s***." — Woody Overton ([09:28])
• On Surveillance Culture:
  "I always think that I’m on camera no matter where I go. So it is what it is." — Co-host ([29:26])
• On Cold Cases:
  "Don’t forget that these are real victims. These are real people who have people that love them... If you don’t get moved by being with these victims’ family members, then you have no empathy in you at all." — Woody ([50:11])
• On The Importance of Perseverance in Justice:
  "This is why you never, ever give up. Never give up." — Co-host ([42:34])

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment | Description | Timestamp | |-------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------|----------------| | Albert Fish Case | Deep dive into America’s cannibal killer | 04:15–17:43 | | Texas Teen Shooting Spree | Summary and discussion of the Austin crime wave | 18:01–26:30 | | Burglary Crews/Spy Cameras | New burglary tactics and home surveillance talk | 26:33–29:25 | | Dumb Criminals—Online Threats | Arkansas shooting threat and digital policing | 29:33–33:55 | | Cold Case Justice & Glossip Exoneration | Legal reflection; release of Richard Glossip; cold case progress | 34:40–42:40 | | Breaking Cold Case: Alice Hawks | Arrest in 39-year-old homicide | 42:56–50:11 | | Justice Reflections & Victim Empathy | Closing insights and call to action | 50:11–51:02 |

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Summary & Takeaways

Woody Overton’s episode underscores that crime—no matter how old—is never truly forgotten by those seeking justice, whether that be through law enforcement break-throughs, tipster engagement, or persistent advocacy for the wrongfully accused. The progress of technology is both danger and asset, as evidenced by the modern dangers of spy cams and online threats, as well as the digital evidence that brings closure or saves lives. The stories run the gamut from stomach-turning historical horror to the sobering reality of modern violence, bridged by Woody’s unique, no-nonsense storytelling and experience.

Listeners are left with:

• A fresh respect for the tenacity needed to solve cold cases
• Harrowing reminders of past and present crime
• Hope that persistence can bring justice, no matter how long it takes

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"Don’t give up and don’t surrender. These are real people, real victims. You can make a difference by keeping the faith and coming forward with what you know."
— Woody Overton ([51:02])

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Transcript

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[Co-host/Friend 1]

Foreign.

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True Crime time for Tuesday, May 19,

[Woody Overton]

2026, and I'm Woody Overton, rolling solo again since trying to get the yard ready and stuff for some events we got coming up. And oh Lord, the hashtag what happened to Madison, y'?

[Co-host/Friend 1]

All?

[Woody Overton]

313rlrctip the same goes for Miss Barbara Blunt's case, the Bradley Strayster case, Austin Banion, anything that we've ever covered that's that's not solved, if you will, or.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

There are no or.

[Woody Overton]

They've all been, I think, pretty much solved. But no arrest been made in calling you tips because you might just have the piece that pushes it over the top, right?

[Co-host/Friend 2]

And then

[Woody Overton]

Saturday, July 18th, my next live show at the Southeastern Living Learning center in Walker, Louisiana. I think there's still tickets on sale, y', all. And we have the hotel blocked off at the Hampton Inn and Denim Springs.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Y' all get those.

[Woody Overton]

Be hell of a show live or all unscripted. Never before her cop story, old school story and alcohol and food and all that good shit.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

So let's get down in

[Woody Overton]

or into crime for this day and on this day in 1870. Now you wouldn't think. Well, I guess you would.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

You've heard we've all heard of Jack the Ripper or whatever, but you wouldn't

[Woody Overton]

think there were serial killers in 1870. Well, I can guarantee you there were. Right.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Nowadays they're just more publicized and everything else.

[Woody Overton]

But on this day in 1870, the

[Co-host/Friend 2]

prolific serial killer Albert Fish was born.

[Woody Overton]

Fish was born in Washington D.C. and was raised in an orphanage before being married and having six children. Fish began his life of crime by molesting young boys and sexually assaulting Thomas Kedden, whom he had a relationship with. This soon escalated into abducting, abusing and then eating.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

That's correct, eating children across the nation.

[Woody Overton]

Fish was captured after abducting, abusing and eating.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Eating.

[Woody Overton]

10 year old grace Bud Fish was executed for his crimes, but the true

[Co-host/Friend 2]

numbers of his victims are unknown to this day.

[Woody Overton]

I'm pretty sure there was no NCIC and radio communications, probably not even phones

[Co-host/Friend 2]

or anything like that back then in.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I don't know man.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

You know the gangsters and all got the publicity in the early what, 1900s. The. I would think that dead kids turning up that have been eaten.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Yeah, I don't know what kind of

[Co-host/Friend 2]

news they had back then, but hell,

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I think that would be everywhere. But who, who knows?

[Woody Overton]

Newspapers and what have you and no

[Co-host/Friend 2]

national law enforcement agencies and, and all that.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

But that dude is. Well, he's out there. You know what, let's see, what if

[Woody Overton]

they say anything about what he said about it? Serial killer Albert Fish from Eight born in 1870.

[News Anchor Katie Sampson]

Here's an answer from Monsterpedia.org Monsterpedia.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I never even heard of that, y'. All.

[Woody Overton]

And all right, so Albert Fish. See so Albert Fish was born as Hamilton fish in Washington D.C. to a family with an extensive history of mental illness. I told you. He grew up in a orphanage where they say he was ruthlessly whipped and beaten. He said that he was the only child who looked forward to the beatings.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Okay, all right, I guess

[Woody Overton]

I explain a little bit. In 1898 he was married to a woman nine years younger than him with whom he had six children. But he was a known homosexual. Fish was a painter who drifted across the United States and he later claimed to have had a murder victim in each of the 23 states he had visited, as well as other victims. Most of his victims came from poor

[Co-host/Friend 2]

black families who were not likely to

[Woody Overton]

be able to do much about his actions. He was reputed to be a sadomach master. This which would explain why he liked the beatings. And he indulged. Fish did in self mutilation, driving needles into his body, mostly around his genitals.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Yeah, he's definitely into the pain. Game pain.

[Woody Overton]

He said he tried sticking a needle in his scrotum, but it was too painful and there were needles in his pelvis that were permanently embedded. He would stuff cotton balls soaked with lighter fluid into his rectum and set fire to them. Holy, he said. He is said to have consumed not only the flesh of his victims but but also their urine, blood and excrement. He attributed these tendencies, tendencies to the abuse he suffered in childhood. He also claimed God sent him on missions to kill. His murders often involved slow torture. He would tie children up and whip them with a belt cut in half with nails sticking through to tenderize the flesh for cooking. Fish called his weapons instruments of hell.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Well, I'm pretty sure he's correct about that.

[Woody Overton]

So on May 28 in 1928, he is then 58. Fish visited the Bud family in Manhattan, New York City. And he was responding to work wanted it placed by AD placed by 18 year old ever Buddha. At the Bud's apartment, Fish found Edward perfect but then met his younger sister,

[Co-host/Friend 1]

10 year old Grace.

[Woody Overton]

Fish promised to hire Edward and that he would send for him in a few days. And in the meantime he convinced Mr. And Mrs. Bud let Grace accompany him to a party that evening at his home. Fish left with Grace Bud that day

[Co-host/Friend 1]

but never came back.

[Woody Overton]

All right, so a couple years later, that's why you never give up. So that was 28. So six years later, in November 1934 anonymous letter was sent to the girl's parents which led police to Albert Fish. And they reprinted this whole letter here.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

And I'm not going to read it to y'. All that one may I gotta repar this, this is shocking.

[Woody Overton]

Dear Ms. Bud, in 1894 a friend of mine shipped as a deckhand on the steamer Tacoma. Captain John Davis. They sailed from San Francisco for Hong Kong, China. On arriving there, he and two others went ashore and got drunk. When they returned, the boat was gone. At that time there was a famine in China. Meat of any kind was from $1 $3 a pound.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

That's a lot back then, right?

[Woody Overton]

So, so great was the suffering among the the very poor that all children under 12 were sold for food in order to keep others from starving. A boy or girl under 14 was not safe in the street. You could go in in any shop and ask for steak, chops or stew meat. Part of the naked body of a boy or girl will be brought out.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

And just what you want it cut from it.

[Woody Overton]

Holy a boy girls behind which is the sweetest part of the and sold as veal cutlet brought the highest price. John stayed there so Long he acquired a taste for human flesh. On his return to New York, he stole two boys, 17 and 1 11. Took them home, stripped them naked, tied them in a closet. Then burned everything they had on. Several times every day and night he spanked them, tortured them to make their

[Co-host/Friend 2]

meat good and tender.

[Woody Overton]

First he killed the 11 year old boy because he had the fattest ass. And this is a letter written in 1928. He had the fattest ass and of course, the most meat on it. Every part of his body was cooked

[Co-host/Friend 2]

and eaten except the heads.

[Woody Overton]

The head, bones and guts he roasted in the oven. And this puts in parentheses all of his ass, Bold, broiled, fried and stewed. The little boy was next went the same way. At the time, I was living at 409 East 100 Saint or Street, near the right side. He told me so often how good human flesh was. I made up my mind to taste it. On Sunday, June 3, 1928, I called on you at 46 W. 15th St. Brought you. Brought you pot cheese, strawberries. And we had lunch. Grace sat in my lap and kissed me. I made up my mind to eat her on the pretense of taking her to a party. You said yes, she could go. I took her to an empty house in Westchester. I had already picked out. When we got there, I told her to remain outside. She picked wildflowers. I went upstairs and stripped off all my clothes. I knew if I did not, I

[Co-host/Friend 2]

would get her blood on them.

[Woody Overton]

When all was ready, I went to the window and called her. Then I hid in the closet. And she was in the room. When she saw me all naked. She began to cry and tried to run down the stairs. I grabbed her and she said she would tell her mama. First. I stripped her naked. How did. How she did kick, bite and scratch. I choked her to death. Then cut her into small pieces so I could take my meat to my

[Co-host/Friend 2]

rooms, cook and eat it.

[Woody Overton]

How sweet and tender her little ass was roasted in the oven.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

It took me nine days to eat her entire body. I did not her though.

[Woody Overton]

I could have have had a wish.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

She died a virgin.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Holy this dude's out there.

[Woody Overton]

To the trial. At his trial, which opened on March 11, 1935, Fish pled insanity. He claimed to have heard voice from God telling him to kill children. Now several psychiatrists look.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

They did it even back then.

[Woody Overton]

Y' all took the stand to talk officials many sexual fetishes, including coprophilia, europhilia, pedophilia and masochism. There was disagreement as to whether these activities meant someone was insane. The defense chief expert witness was Frederick Werham, a psychiatrist with a focus on child development who conducted psychiatric examinations for

[Co-host/Friend 1]

the New York criminal courts.

[Woody Overton]

He stated flatly that Fish was insane. The trial lasts for 10 days. The jury found him to be sane and guilty. And the judge or the death sentence.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

This is what I want to talk about.

[Woody Overton]

Fish was executed on January 16, 1936 in the Electric chair at Sing Sing. It is believed by some that he spoke of the prospect of electrocution as a supreme thrill and even helped the executioners fasten the straps that held his body in place. Now, Daily News reporter who covered the trial wrote that Fish's watery eyes gleamed at the thought of being burned by heat more intense than the flames with which he had often seared his flesh to.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

To gratify his lust.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Some wow.

[Woody Overton]

His last words are said to have

[Co-host/Friend 2]

been, I don't know why I'm here.

[Woody Overton]

It was reported that the first jolt of electricity did not kill him and that a second jolt was needed. And if you wrote that the 27 needles fish had inserted into his body of the years had caused a short circuit, however, this is generally considered to be erroneous as guards insist that the first jolt did indeed kill him and at all. Executed prisoners received a second jolt as precaution. He is reported loosely to have said after the first attempt to execute him. Is that all you got? And he is to this day is buried in Sing Sing prison cement.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Oh, wow.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

I didn't mean to get off on that kick, y'.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

All. That's the craziest story.

[Woody Overton]

All right, let's go to one of my favorite cities and I spent so much time there. Polygraph school and conferences and everything else

[Co-host/Friend 2]

going to Austin, Texas.

[Woody Overton]

And Austin police arrested three juveniles Sunday who investigators believe were connected to 12 shooting incidents across the city that injured four people, struck two fire stations and triggered a shelter in place.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Order in South Austin.

[Woody Overton]

Austin Police department chief Lisa Davis said Investigators took a 15 year old and a 17 year old into custody following the shootings, which began late Saturday and continued Sunday morning. And so we have two suspects in custody. We have a 15 year old and a 17 year old in custody. Well, the Manor police department said late Sunday that a third suspect who fled from a vehicle following pursuit earlier today

[Co-host/Friend 2]

had been located and detained.

[Woody Overton]

The third suspect is a 16 year old male.

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[Woody Overton]

They're there. They said now there is no ongoing threat to the public. Authorities said the 17 year old already had a warrant connected to the theft of a firearm from the same store where the 15 year old girl stole another gun. I don't know how the you steal

[Co-host/Friend 1]

guns out of a store.

[Woody Overton]

The Arrow Robin they're behind a counter and locked up. But according to the police, the suspect stole multiple vehicles throughout their spree and fire shots at apartment complexes, homes, pedestrians and two fire stations. David said one fire station was shot at twice and a fire truck was

[Co-host/Friend 1]

struck while firefighters were nearby.

[Woody Overton]

Officials said four people were shot during the instance. One victim suffered critical injuries but was in stable condition while three others sustained

[Co-host/Friend 2]

non life threatening wounds.

[Woody Overton]

The Austin Travis County EMS Chief Robert Luck Fritz said emergency responders treated victims at four separate shooting scenes across the city. Can you imagine that active shooter across the whole city at they said at this time most of the shootings have occurred in South Austin. No specific motive and they appear to

[Co-host/Friend 2]

be random in nature.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

The kids being shitheads.

[Woody Overton]

Authorities initially warned residents to shelter in place in an area bounded by South Slaughter Lane, East McKinney Falls Parkway and North Bend White Boulevard and West Escarpment

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Boulevard while they search for the suspects

[Co-host/Friend 2]

anyway that naturally that shelter in place

[Co-host/Friend 1]

was lifted after two of the kids were taken into custody. Yeah, I don't know y'. All. They were talking about the cars being stolen. Don't leave key fobs in the car and all that.

[Woody Overton]

The investigation began after officers responded to reports of a stolen vehicle from an apartment complex and a stolen firearm.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Police later said investigators connected the incidents

[Co-host/Friend 1]

as additional shootings were reported about the city. And they sell a whole lot more. They got surveillance footage of them and everything else and hope, hope the people

[Co-host/Friend 2]

that got hit, I hope none of them die, right?

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Check this story out.

[Woody Overton]

The crazy, crazy times and cameras can be anywhere, right?

[News Anchor Katie Sampson]

Spy on families. Max Gordon joins us live tonight with more details in get this, police are urging homeowners across Southern California to check their yards and bushes for hidden cameras. Yes, burglary crews are using these devices to target and spy on families. Max Gordon joins us live tonight with more details in Los Angeles. Max.

[Reporter Max Gordon]

Hey Tommy. Well, as if a break in wasn't violating enough, right. Burglary cruise crews might be using hidden cameras to stake out their victims here in Southern California. According to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, deputies from the San Dimas Sheriff's Station were investigating a burglary last week when they discovered a camera with a battery pack connected to a portable hotspot hidden in some bushes. Only a week earlier, a landscaper in the neighborhood found another suspicious device, a cell phone connected to a power bank wrapped in green camouflage camouflage tape with artificial plants attached to it. Law enforcement officials say that potential burglars might use these devices to watch when people leave their homes, identify valuables and to determine the best time to commit their crime. Is what one concerned neighbor had to say.

[Concerned Neighbor]

Putting cameras in very specific areas, that's what's scary. You know that they had the one right here as we were talking about and then went down the street. So yeah, very scary. Specific areas.

[Reporter Max Gordon]

Law enforcement says to best protect your home, you should inspect your properly property regularly and stay alert for suspicious activity. Keep trees and bushes trimmed to reduce hiding spots. Use and regularly monitor home security cameras and keep outdoor areas well lit at night. And then if you find a suspicious camera or device, officials say to contact law enforcement immediately. Don't touch the device and wait for police to collect it. Now, unfamiliar objects near yard smart or tiny lenses or reflective surfaces that might also be a tip off that you're being monitored by an unwanted camera. The LA County Sheriff's office says that if you have your suspicions, you might want to do a flashlight sweep at night since camera lens reflections will be more visible then.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

What the world come to today?

[Co-host/Friend 2]

I mean,

[Woody Overton]

I mean

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I guess you

[Woody Overton]

can figure it out.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

The how much are you getting?

[Woody Overton]

You, you take the time to put

[Co-host/Friend 2]

it in a hidden camera. Obviously these are nice homes and I get that. I mean why not just park down the street and wait for them to leave.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

But I guess this way they can watch while they're playing PlayStation, smoking weed

[Co-host/Friend 2]

and then, oh look, they left.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Let's go break in. Well, you know, you should have alarm system on your house and all that to begin with if you get, if you can afford it. But that is crazy as what the advances in technology and, and all that.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

But you know what?

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I always think that I'm on camera no matter where I go. So it is what it is.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

It's time for dum dum in the

[Co-host/Friend 1]

court

[Co-host/Friend 2]

and we're going back to teenagers and gaming online and, and the that goes on. I mean this is,

[Woody Overton]

this is bizarre.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

We're going to Arkansas. It's not bizarre. Happens all the time. This dude got reported.

[CDC/Health Reporter]

The CDC says there are no confirmed hantavirus cases in the United States as 41 people across more than 10 states are being monitored for the virus. Last weekend we witnessed those American passengers get off the ship. Dr. Mark Siegel spoke with A medical hero from the University of Nebraska Medical center who flew to the Canary Islands to bring those Americans home. He details the conditions on the plane.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

It is a stripped aircraft.

[Woody Overton]

All right, so obviously part of the story has this hand of iris and

[Co-host/Friend 1]

that's not what I wanted to show you the. I'll just read it to you.

[Woody Overton]

An Arkansas man was arrested after threatening to carry out a mass shooting at his local Walmart if the county went into lockdown over the Hantavirus outbreak.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Okay, dumbass.

[Woody Overton]

The Aaron Barnum, 20, of Oakland was arrested Friday for allegedly making the threats. And it's according to Marion County Sheriff's Office he was charged with first degree terroristic threatening and harassing communications. Officials said the rest followed an investigation

[Co-host/Friend 2]

into the online threats he made on May 9. So let me tell you what this idiot did.

[Woody Overton]

The FBI FBI's National Threat Operations center received an electronic tip from individual playing an online video game who said another player threatened to carry out a mass shooting at a local Walmart if the country were locked down again due to the hantavirus. Authorities said the reporting individual provided the player's gamer use username along with an in game recording of the threats. Everybody's recording you investigator said they subpoenaed the game's parent company which identified Byron

[Co-host/Friend 1]

as the owner of the account.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

So what do they do?

[Woody Overton]

Fuck around.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

It's like making a bomb throw out

[Woody Overton]

on a plane nowadays. The FBI Spayetteville field office alert the Marion County Sheriff's office and they got a search warrant and they searched his residence on Friday and investigators said they seized Byron's computer and related accessories and they took his ass in the custody and booked him into the Marion county

[Co-host/Friend 1]

detention center on $2,500 bond.

[Woody Overton]

So real quick back to the article I started to play. The hantavirus outbreak tied to the MV Hyundai's cruise ship has sickened multiple people aboard the vessel with the World Health Organization reporting as of May 13 that all cases then identified were passengers. As of May 13, the WHO said 11 cases had been identified with Albright including eight confirmed cases, two probable cases and one inconclusive case. Three deaths that also been linked to the outbreak and the World Health Organization

[Co-host/Friend 1]

assess the risk to the global population as low. Look, going down that fucking shithole again.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

I don't think I have PTSD totally

[Woody Overton]

about the coronavirus and the lockdown, but that was a hell of a time. And it's so easy just to forget

[Co-host/Friend 2]

about it, you know the. I mean I don't know if you

[Co-host/Friend 1]

ever forget about it but I'm talking about wearing mask and everything being closed

[Woody Overton]

down and even like Florida when I

[Co-host/Friend 1]

had to sneak in and bust somebody's

[Co-host/Friend 2]

ass was stealing from me. The they had the interstates closed down

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I had to take back roads and

[Woody Overton]

they the pure craziness in a time

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I hope we never reach again ever.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

I don't even know what category to put this under. The I did not want any innocent

[Co-host/Friend 1]

people in prison and y' all I've been doing defense work for

[Co-host/Friend 2]

13 years

[Co-host/Friend 1]

when most of it was full time before the podcast. The

[Co-host/Friend 2]

of course I did a lot even when I was still in law enforcement.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

That was part of my deal with

[Woody Overton]

the sheriff and the state police that

[Co-host/Friend 2]

I get to do defense polygraphs as

[Co-host/Friend 1]

long as it didn't interfere with my agency. Right.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Well I know my wife and my

[Woody Overton]

girls and all them they watch these

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Kardashians and the Keeping up with the

[Woody Overton]

Kardashians alumni stepped up to pay the

[Co-host/Friend 2]

bond of a former death row prisoner in Oklahoma so he could walk out

[Woody Overton]

of prison for the first time in almost three decades while he's awaiting a

[Co-host/Friend 1]

retrial over a 1997 murder.

[Woody Overton]

According to the Associated Press, Richard Glossip had been sentenced to death for allegedly arranging the murder of his former boss, motel owner Barry Van Tress. Prosecutors accused Gloss up paying the Handyman justice need $10,000 to kill Truss, who

[Co-host/Friend 2]

was beaten with a baseball bat. Of course, Gloss denies the claim, having

[Woody Overton]

always sworn his innocence. And in the years since, Gloss up has even gained support of a few celebs, including Kris Jenner's OG favorite daughter, Susan. Surrendering, the 63 old has narrowly escaped death several times over the years while on death row. The courts in Oklahoma set nine different execution dates for him. In fact, he came so close that he ate three separate last meals. Gloss was even placed in the cell next to the execution chamber in 2015, waiting to be strapped to the gurney

[Co-host/Friend 2]

and to die by lethal injection.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

But obviously it never happened, y'. All.

[Woody Overton]

President Officials at the Oklahoma State Penitentiary reportedly had a massive issue on their

[Co-host/Friend 2]

hand behind the scenes, all because one

[Woody Overton]

of the lethal drugs they received didn't match the protocols, which led to a

[Co-host/Friend 1]

nearly seven year moratorium on executions in the state.

[Woody Overton]

Last we got really lucky at the time. But his good fortune continued and in February 2025, the Supreme Court overturned his conviction and death sentence after determining that the prosecutors allowed a witness to give evidence they knew to be false and

[Co-host/Friend 1]

therefore violated his right to a fair trial. In 1998, you see if why in

[Woody Overton]

the Would you let somebody get on

[Co-host/Friend 1]

stand if you know they're going to lie?

[Woody Overton]

But Oklahoma Attorney General get Gentra Drummond then announced months later that gossip is now set to be retried for first degree murder, but prosecutors will not seek

[Co-host/Friend 1]

the death penalty again.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Well, you know why?

[Woody Overton]

Because this dude's already in his late 60s. He's older than me by the time.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

If they get the first degree murder

[Woody Overton]

again, it's much easier to prove it when it's not first and he's going to die in prison anyway, they said. While it's clear to me in the US Supreme Court that Mr. Glossa did not receive a fair trial, I never proclaimed his innocence. Unlike past prosecutors who allow the key witness to lie on the stand, my office will make sure Mr. Glossa receives a fair trial based on hard facts, solid evidence and truthful testimony.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Well, that's how it should be.

[Woody Overton]

Which flash forward to now is Judge Natalie May set his bonds a half

[Co-host/Friend 2]

a million dollars and guess what?

[Woody Overton]

Guess who paid for it? Kimmy Cakes.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

I guess my wife would know who that is.

[Woody Overton]

According to film producer Scott Butnik, an advocate for glasses release he wrote on Instagram on Thursday said after 29 years innocent on Oklahoma's death row, Richard Glossa walked out as a free man this afternoon. Four exclamation points while he has to be released on bail. That was graciously paid for immediately by Kim Kardashian, who's been fighting for rich's freedom for years. Thank you to blah blah, blah and Kim Kardashian for putting Richard's case on my radar and for amplifying this injustice to millions.

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[Woody Overton]

The dude's innocent.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I'm glad he's out, but every time

[Woody Overton]

and he dies in prison, that's because

[Co-host/Friend 1]

he killed the dude.

[Woody Overton]

But they said because of Kim's charity. Gloss was released from incarceration on Thursday

[Co-host/Friend 1]

for the first time in nearly 30 years.

[Woody Overton]

But it's got some conditions, naturally. And the Associated Press report the Glossa must wear an electronic monitoring device, cannot travel outside of Oklahoma, must not contact any witness in the case, and must

[Co-host/Friend 1]

not consume any drugs or alcohol.

[Woody Overton]

And then the judge added this the court fully expects the state will rigorously prosecute his case going forward and the defense will provide robust representation for Glosso. The court hopes that a new trial, free of error, will provide all interested parties and the citizens of Oklahoma the closure they deserve.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Well, again, that's just a show. I don't care if the dude got out and didn't get executed. If, if it wasn't done right, retry him. You know, a lot of times they'll

[Co-host/Friend 1]

just give them a sign of whatever plea

[Co-host/Friend 2]

and where he's not admitting guilt. But you know, they let him out

[Co-host/Friend 1]

and what have you. But they were like, not in this case.

[Woody Overton]

So Gloss was feeling grateful to be free for a bit, he said while leaving prison holding hands with his wife. So I'm just thankful for my wife and my attorneys. Just thankful. It's overwhelming, but it's amazing at the same time, do you should be thinking Kim Kardashian before putting up a half meal? But his attorney, Donald Knight also added Mr. Gloss now has a chance to taste freedom while his defense teams continues to pursue justice on his behalf against the system that the United States Supreme Court has found to be guilty of serious

[Co-host/Friend 2]

misconduct by state prosecutors.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

He should have said former state prosecutors, insane people.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

So I don't know, y'.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

All.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

The, the date hasn't been set for

[Co-host/Friend 1]

the retrial yet, but I can assure you it's Coming the.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

I mean, well, you know, what if he didn't do it, he didn't do it.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Let him off. But if he did it,

[Co-host/Friend 2]

y', all, this one. This is why you never, ever give up. Never give up.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Ms. Barbara Blunt, which is the oldest case that I have,

[Co-host/Friend 2]

what happened to

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Madison, Bradley, Stracer, Austin O', Banion, etc. This is why you never give up.

[News Anchor Katie Sampson]

First at 5, an arrest made in a nearly 40 year old murder with a suspect entering a not guilty plea in court today. Good evening, Greg.

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[News Anchor Greg Lagerquist]

And I'm Greg Lagerquist. 63 year old Steven Bouchard was 24 when his girlfriend was found dead at the Westbrook apartment they shared. Bouchard now stands accused of killing her.

[News Anchor Katie Sampson]

CBS13's Brad Rogers joins us live from the apartment building in Westbrook where the victim died.

[News Anchor Greg Lagerquist]

Brad, do we know what evidence police and prosecutors used to arrest Bouchard?

[Reporter Brad Rogers]

Well, not yet. Prosecutors appeared in court without a police affidavit detailing the evidence against Bouchard and unprepared to turn turnover evidence to Bouchard's defense attorney. What they did have was a grand jury indictment for the murder that took place here. It's been 39 years since Alice Hawks was found dead in the Westbrook apartment she shared with her boyfriend, Stephen Bouchard. She was 23 at the time. He was 24. Now at age 63, Bouchard stands accused of her murder.

[News Anchor Katie Sampson]

We have never forgotten Alice and we will never forget what happened to her 12 years ago.

[Reporter Brad Rogers]

We spoke to Alice's sister Rosemary. By then her parents had passed away. She says her mother hired private investigators and offered rewards in hopes of getting justice for her daughter.

[News Anchor Katie Sampson]

And she never gave up hope and she never stopped trying.

[Reporter Brad Rogers]

This afternoon, Stephen Bouchard pleaded not guilty in the murder of his girlfriend. State police arrested him Friday in Winslow. At the time of the murder, Bouchard told police he lost his career, was locked out of his apartment and was unable to reach Alice. So he spent the night with some friends. The next day he got a spare key from his landlord.

[Law Enforcement Official]

Landlord ended up coming over. They got into the apartment and immediately located Alice deceased in the bathroom of the apartment 12 years ago.

[Reporter Brad Rogers]

Lieutenant Brian McDonough told us they had a likely suspect, but did not name Bouchard.

[Law Enforcement Official]

We have a pretty good idea of what happened and probably who's responsible for for it.

[Reporter Brad Rogers]

Despite an extensive investigation, the case went cold. Then in 2025, the state police Cold Case Unit initiated a full reinvestigation of Alice's case, which led to a decision by the main attorney general's office to seek a murder charge against Stephen Bouchard. The Hawks family released a statement today expressing their gratitude to the attorney General's office and Maine State Police for their dedication and perseverance in this case. The family says after many years of unanswered questions, the arrest of Stephen Bouchard brings renewed hope that justice for Alice will finally be achieved. Abou Shard remains behind bars at the county jail. State police are asking anyone with information about this case to call its Major Crimes Unit. We're live in Westport. Brad Rogers, CBS 13 News. Greg.

[News Anchor Greg Lagerquist]

All right, we'll keep following this one for sure. Brad.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Shout out to those dudes for getting it done. And naturally, they're still in law enforcement.

[Woody Overton]

And let me tell you this.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

The cases that I've worked and including Austin Abanion, Bradley Str. The Ms. Barbara blunts, etc. The. You heard him say they had a suspect 12 years ago. Right. But they didn't have enough. They didn't have enough to push it beyond a reasonable doubt, which isn't beyond

[Woody Overton]

all any shadow of a doubt, but

[Co-host/Friend 2]

you got to get it to be on a reasonable doubt, such as a reasonable person on the jury would only conclude that this person did the crime. Well, pretty much guarantee that in my head, I have who did what, when.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I can't.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Well, what, when, what when, where, why and how. I may not know one or two of them, but I know what I know. And the thing is knowing what you know and learning what you learn, investigations again. Being able to prove it like they had it 12 years ago, but being able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. The meaning, like, and especially the colder the case gets, the. It's the harder it is for law enforcement and the DA's to say, yeah,

[Co-host/Friend 1]

I'm gonna take that trial.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

You know what? They've been dead for 18 years. Find the body or, you know, they've been declared, declared legally dead. I agree with you. They've been murdered. But I need, I need something else.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Right?

[Co-host/Friend 2]

And I get that. I get that from a professional standpoint, you want, you want to slam dunk. Well, you know what? These cases aren't always slam dunks. Until people like you lifers that are listening right now call 313-RLRCTIP. And you know, I've sold cases on that. I didn't even know where they were going. And it was because of tips. Not just in the podcast world, talking about in my criminal career and you get this one phone call says.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

And then you're like, holy.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

And you get on that lead and you chase and you chase and chase it. And fortunately, 99 of those cases, I was able to run the lead down to the point where I couldn't get off of it.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

And it got beyond reasonable doubt. Right, Probable cause.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Let's talk about that for a second. The 50% plus one, what you need to arrest someone. I would guarantee you that's there in almost all the cases that I've talked about. But the powers that be be afraid of using

[Co-host/Friend 1]

probable cause.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

50% plus one. And because the cases have been cold and all that and it's gonna be

[Co-host/Friend 1]

high profile and what have you.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

And I get that. But the thing is, if you use

[Woody Overton]

it and you have enough for a

[Co-host/Friend 2]

judge to sign a warrant, that's where you get, you kick ass investigator to

[Co-host/Friend 1]

come in and get a fucking confession.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

If you can get a person under arrest for probable cause and hit them with some evidence, well, first of all, you got to get them pass the rights form and the consensus question. If you don't get them past that, you're. You're no better off than you were

[Co-host/Friend 1]

before you arrest them.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

So I get why they hesitate on that. But if you can get them in and you have someone who can get the juice out of them a confession or even get them to change their story, right? And, and then that almost 99 of time, that change of the story, you go out and you disprove that too.

[Woody Overton]

And especially when the cases have been

[Co-host/Friend 2]

cold for a while, you go out

[Woody Overton]

and disprove that too.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

And you bring it back in and

[Co-host/Friend 1]

boom, then you're beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Woody Overton]

So y' all just don't give up and don't surrender. How about this? Don't forget that these are real victims. These are real people who have people that love them. Yeah.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

And the they were breathing, now they're not. Right. I mean, I think we just do this, these shows over and over and over again.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

Murder this, murder that, murder that.

[Woody Overton]

I'm going to sit in the room,

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Ms. Lynn Rollins or Stephanie Belgrade or Ms. Barbara Blunt's twin sister.

[Woody Overton]

Right?

[Co-host/Friend 2]

And then you tell me

[Co-host/Friend 1]

if you

[Co-host/Friend 2]

don't, if you don't get moved by being with these victims, family members, then you have no empathy in you at all.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

And you definitely would not make a good homicide detective.

[Woody Overton]

But that's all I got for today.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

The,

[Woody Overton]

a lot of things coming this week.

[Co-host/Friend 1]

It's.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Look, it's a big holiday week and I get that it's one of the most important holidays. It's a week from today, the Memorial Day, and that's for everybody who died fighting for a country that died when they were in the armed forces. Right. And so but we got a lot of stuff coming up.

[Woody Overton]

It's supposed to be a washout here all week. I don't know about where y' all

[Co-host/Friend 2]

are going to be at, but the hopefully we'll find the time this week to get with attorney Thomas Davenport and start the raffles etc that we're going to do to raise the rest of

[Co-host/Friend 1]

money for justice for Haley before Scott

[Co-host/Friend 2]

wrote her in the evidence room to

[Co-host/Friend 1]

finish out their testing.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

But anyway, that's it for today. I'm Woody Overton. I love and appreciate each and every one of y'. All. Thank you for liking and listening and

[Co-host/Friend 1]

sharing and all that good podcaster I'm supposed to say. And I'll holler at you later.

[Co-host/Friend 2]

Love you. Peace.

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