True Crime Time For November 21, 2025 | Kidnapping, Murder & Missing Children

Summary

Real Life Real Crime: True Crime Time for November 21, 2025

Hosts: Woody Overton & Cindy Overton
Episode Theme:
A chilling dive into recent and cold true crime cases involving kidnapping, murder, and missing children. The hosts unpack headline-grabbing stories from cruise ship murders to infamous family tragedies and explore how justice is (or isn’t) being served.

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Episode Overview

Woody and Cindy Overton return to the studio to deliver their signature mix of in-depth case analysis, personal anecdotes, and advocacy for victims. This episode focuses on new developments in high-profile murders (including those with family connections), the pursuit of justice in cold cases, and reflections on the legal challenges involved in bringing killers to justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Updates & Listener Engagement

• Tip Line Effectiveness:

  • Woody emphasizes the importance of the podcast’s tip line, reporting active listener engagement and valuable case progress thanks to new leads—particularly in the Barbara Blunts and Brooks Cleary cases.

    "The tip line works. Y’all just keep sending stuff in, and you never know…what’s going to push it over the edge." — Woody (03:07)

• #JusticeForBradley:

  • An update on the anticipated release of a new episode related to missing/murdered Bradley, with hints of behind-the-scenes developments.

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2. Worldwide Crime: Cruise Ship Murder

• Case: 18-year-old Anna Kepner, a high school cheerleader, found dead and hidden under a bed on a Carnival Cruise ship.
• Key Facts:
  • Discovered by a maid wrapped in a blanket with life jackets over her, after she was reported missing by her family. (07:34–09:51)
  • FBI leads investigation, using room key logs and surveillance.
  • Stepbrother (16) named a suspect amid an acrimonious family custody dispute, with speculation about family involvement.
  • Surveillance footage shows Anna and the possible suspect prior to her death.
  • Insight into legal complexities: stepmother’s Fifth Amendment protections versus duty to testify.
  • Former FBI commentary on jurisdiction and maritime investigations.
  • Notable Moment:

    “If you’re tucked underneath in a blanket, that doesn’t bode well for it to be natural causes, right?” — Woody (08:22) “You don’t roll yourself up…and go underneath the bed and put life jackets on you and then die.” — Cindy (14:57)

• Woody's Reflection:
  • Laments the tragedy—Anna was an aspiring Navy sailor, living her "primary life," when she became a victim. (14:29)

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3. Infamous Family Killers: The Susan Smith Case

• Case Recap: Susan Smith drowned her two sons in 1994; the crime became infamous for Smith’s elaborate false carjacking claim and the subsequent massive (misdirected) search and media spectacle.
• Recent Developments:
  • Smith remains in prison, recently denied parole (transcripts reveal manipulative communications with multiple men, showing lack of authentic remorse).
  • Her ex-husband, David Smith, continues to campaign at parole hearings to keep her incarcerated.
  • Smith’s own words:

    “I’ll be better prepared next time…They look for remorse and emotion, and I guess I just didn’t show enough.” — Woody, quoting Susan Smith’s correspondence (17:13) “She would say whatever she wants to say. Whoever can help her doesn’t care who she hurts.” — Former suitor (24:05)

• Legal Details:
  • Sentenced to life, possibility of parole every two years.
• Hosts’ Reaction:

  “How do you strap your babies in a car, put it on a boat ramp, roll them in, listen to them cry out…For a man who doesn’t want you?” — Woody (31:03)

• Cindy’s Solution:

  “A new…injection—we need a tank like Houdini was in. And stick that person in that tank…let them drown just like she drowned her kids.” (31:11)

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4. Utah Family Vengeance Murder

• Case:
  • Carolina Marquez and her son involved in kidnapping and murder of Consuelo “Nicole” Solario Romero, after believing Romero was a police informant (31:54).
  • Multiple people involved; the body was disposed of after a premeditated, brutal murder.
  • Sentences: Marquez gets consecutive sentences for manslaughter and aggravated kidnapping; her son receives a suspended sentence after a guilty plea to obstruction.
  • Victim impact statement by family underscores the personal cost and absence of forgiveness.

  "You don't deserve any forgiveness from us. And we don't forgive you…I will follow your prison journey…reminding you and the system why you should not be out in our community." — Jessica Romero McDonald, victim’s sister (35:51)

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5. Missing Children: The John Skelton Brothers Case (Michigan)

• Background:
  • In 2010, three brothers—Andrew (9), Alexander (7), Tanner (5)—vanished while with their father, John Skelton, amid a custody battle.
  • He was imprisoned for unlawful imprisonment, expected to be released soon, but is now finally being charged with their murders.
• Details:
  • New murder/tampering charges surfaced just prior to his scheduled prison release.
  • Mother maintains her belief in his guilt; brothers have been legally declared dead.
  • Skelton offered inconsistent stories, including a claim kids were given to an "underground group for their safety."
  • Investigators are confident new evidence justifies murder charges after years of cold case work.
  • Woody’s Summation:

    “They got his fucking ass.” (44:37) “It's not even about who solves it…it's about proving it beyond a reasonable doubt, not probable cause.” (58:40)

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6. Beast Mode: The 'Bear Attack' Murder

• Montana Case:
  • Dustin Ketcherson murdered at a campsite by white supremacist Darren Abbey.
  • Abbey used a block of wood, axe, and screwdriver; attempted to frame the brutal killing as a bear attack.
  • DNA evidence from a beer can in the tent led authorities to Abbey, ruling out his twin brother (who was incarcerated at the time).
  • Abbey confessed but claimed self-defense; the forensic evidence and wounds told another story.
• On Racism in Crime:
  • Hosts denounce racism explicitly and discuss how racist affiliation (tattoos, prison gangs) played into both the crime and the aftermath.
  • Quote:

    "Racism sucks, murder sucks, all these family stories we did today suck." — Woody (55:22)

  • Commentary on prison culture and recidivism for violent offenders.

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Notable Quotes & Standout Moments

• On Getting Justice:

  “First one to solve it…it’s not even about who solves it. How about that? Bad guys and girls. It’s not about who did it, it’s about proving it beyond a reasonable doubt.” — Woody (58:40)

• On Public Involvement/Misinformation:

  “People…I want to correct them or just say, ‘be quiet.’ But that’s not your job…all the misinformation keeps the heat on.” — Woody & Cindy (57:21)

• Moral Reflections:

  “Judge a person by their heart, not the color of their skin.” — Woody (47:35) “You have to pay $7 million [to get out on bail]. They got his fucking ass.” — Woody (44:37) “[If you commit a crime out at sea]…it’s actually FBI’s jurisdiction now.” — Quoting former FBI agent Cole Parker (11:38)

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Important Timestamps

• [03:07] — Woody emphasizes importance of the tip line
• [07:34] — Cindy details Anna Kepner cruise ship murder
• [10:14] — Woody explains the evolving investigation, step-family legal drama
• [16:32] — Susan Smith’s crime and manipulative prison communications
• [31:54] — The Utah kidnapping and family-orchestrated execution
• [39:33] — The Skelton missing brothers updates and new murder charges
• [46:34] — The Montana bear-attack/campsite hate crime unfolds
• [55:22] — Hosts’ reflections on racism and family violence

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Tone & Style

• Candid, Southern storytelling with dark humor (especially from Woody)
• Empathetic towards victims; critical and unflinching toward perpetrators and system failures
• Blunt condemnation of racism, manipulation, and exploitation in true crime
• Dynamic co-host interplay, blending legal insight with advocacy and accessible commentary

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Summary Takeaway

This episode of Real Life Real Crime showcases Woody and Cindy Overton’s relentless focus on cold case advocacy, family-centered crime stories, and the pursuit of real justice. Through newly unfolding cases and infamous histories, the episode weaves together tragedy, investigation, and personal reflection—reminding listeners that behind every headline is a deeper, complex reality, and that community involvement (including listener tips and public scrutiny) remains crucial in the search for truth and closure.

Transcript

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[Woody Overton]

Foreign. Welcome to this episode of True Crime. Time for Friday, November 21, 2025 and I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

Back at it in the studio bringing you the heat.

[Cindy Overton]

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[Cindy Overton]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

The one thing that will not make it go over the edge is quit calling and tips.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

So the hashtag just for Bradley is probably going to come out Sunday this week. The. But we'll see maybe for Saturday for all lifers, but we haven't recorded it yet, and there's a reason for that, but we won't get into that yet.

[Cindy Overton]

Right?

[Woody Overton]

Right. So. And poor Haley, huh? Miss. Miss Barbara nothing. And I know Tommy Cox and him are sending emails and all that stuff. And. And I don't know what to say about it. I mean, we can't go over there and hold my gunpoint and make them not say it's double jeopardy. But, you know, I don't. I don't know. Again, we're waiting, and I guess it's been a couple months now. It seems like we've been waiting on a phone call. They said that we call Miss Barbara and all that, and we got. But that being said, it is what it is. And, you know, the world knows about Brooks Cleary. I don't know what else to say about that. But some true crime time for this Friday. And this starts the holiday week, y', all, and it's gonna be interesting. And we got family members coming in tonight. The first of the family members coming in tonight. And it'll be a busy, busy week, I'm sure, for everyone. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, good Lord, you should see the meals that are planned. It. You know, it'll be fun. It'll be a good time. I hope y' all are getting ready for yours and all that good stuff. Right?

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So why don't you tell them a story to start with? The. We have A cruise we're supposed to take right now, and we'll probably have to wait to take it next year. And, you know, been on cruises. You haven't been on one. I've been on cruises. I used to love to go on cruises because, you know, the alcohol you could drink and all the food you could eat and get off on a couple ports or whatever. I'm talking about 30 years ago. Yeah. And. And I wouldn't. Well, I say I wouldn't do one now. We're certainly going to do this one that we have coming up. But, you know, it's just a good time. It's well thought out. Well plan, the food's good. And, you know, I don't do the short excursions that they sell. We always find the local thing or used to find the local thing. Like one place in Jamaica, we just found a resort that had a day pass and you sat in the pool and drank mudslides all day. Got hammered.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, that's what we do when we just travel, like to Belize. We don't. We don't do excursions. We make our own excursions.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, but it's. It's. I mean, it's a. It's a big business and it's, you know.

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[Woody Overton]

And every once in a while you'll hear about somebody falling overboard. Yeah, something like that. And. And I know. I know people have gotten left behind, like in Cosmo, because they're partying that senior frogs, whatever they get hammer. They just miss the boat. Like that happens. But very rarely do you hear about a major crime happening.

[Cindy Overton]

Do they have. Because it's international waters. Right. So do they have, like, their own police on board? I know they have.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely. Absolutely. They and almost went to the jail one night. That. Not by choice. When I was a young man, I.

[Cindy Overton]

Thought you were gonna say you were almost police on a cruise line.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, I don't think they could pay me enough for that. And I mean, because you're dealing with drawings like 24 7.

[Cindy Overton]

That would be the majority of it.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. But anyway, the. So once you tell them about the story that's evidently catching national headlines. And I have a little follow up on it. It's time for worldwide crime.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay. So we are going to a Carnival Cruise Line. I guess I can't name the place yet, but the body of a high school cheerleader was found dead on board a Carnival cruise ship. She was wrapped in a blanket and stuffed under a bed. Wow. Anna Kepner, who's 18 years old, was on a six day Caribbean getaway with her family when she was declared dead in international waters between Mexico and Florida. FBI agents swarmed the Carnival Horizon when it arrived back at the Port of Miami, but have not like disclosed what happened to her or whether she was murdered.

[Woody Overton]

I would think if you tucked underneath in a blanket, that doesn't bode well for it to be unnatural causes, right?

[Cindy Overton]

People say there's some sources that said that Anna complained of feeling unwell on the evening of November 6 while she was eating dinner and headed back to her cabin. But she was actually on this cruise with her family. So when her dad Christopher Kepner, 41, and stepmom Chantel Hudson, 36 gathered the family for breakfast the next day, there was no sign of the teenager. And they're actually from Tuttisville, Florida. So they began searching the $800 million Panama registered ship. But it was eventually a maid who stumbled across Anna's body when she entered the cabin to service it around 11am on Nov. 7. Two sources that have spoke with Daily Mail want to remain anonymous as we know that lots of sources do say that the youngster was found wrapped in a blanket, covered over with life jackets and stuffed under the bed. Anna's father did not respond to questions about the discovery and the FBI would not comment on any information.

[Woody Overton]

Well, let me give you a little update. And they say as the FBI investigates the mysterious Death of the 18 year old Florida cheerleader aboard aboard the Carnival cruise ship, her stepmother's courtroom fight with an ex is exposing new details and may force her to testify against her son.

[Cindy Overton]

Wow.

[Woody Overton]

See the thing is they're gonna know those rooms are key card that they can tell who goes in, whether it's cleaning service, wherever they've got cameras in the hallway. I mean this is going to be not a who done it right so. But Friday of today marks two weeks since aspiring Navy sailor Anna Kepner was found dead in her room aboard the Horizon. Authorities still haven't announced calls and manner of death or an arrest, but a court battle between her 16 year old stepbrother's parents revealed that he is a suspect. Kepner's stepmother, Chantelle Kepner, asked a judge overseeing the custody dispute between her and her ex husband Thomas Hudson to delay a hearing in the matter until after the criminal investigation comes to a close. That dispute could put the stepmother in a legal bind. And this is according to Donna Rotuno, who's a Chicago based criminal defense lawyer. Chantel's fifth amendment defense could disappear. Prosecutors offer her immunity while going after the team. They said the mother does not have any privilege to not testify against her son so a court could compel her to testify or she could be held in contempt. And if they believed the mother was involved in any way they could give her immunity in order to get her to speak. Now Hudson accused Chantel of alienating their two younger children from him, including the 16 year old. The oldest son is 18, went to live with his father after an alleged violent altercation involving Chantel and Kepner's father, Christopher Kepner. The 16 year old's future has been put in jeopardy because of the choices made by Chantel. This what Hudson had wrote to the judge. The teen's current whereabouts are unclear and according to the filing he has been released from custody and estain with an unnamed third party. So they had him in for question. Chantel and a filing of Roan denied their oldest son had been involved in any altercation with her new husband. That but conceded there is an open FBI investigation involving the 16 year old. And then a law enforcement source told Fox News Digital on Wednesday that authorities have recovered here comes surveillance video from the cruise ship showing Kepner with a suspect and that the FBI is reviewing hours of additional footage from the cruise before her death. Authorities also have access to records of room key swipes aboard the vessel and the FBI's Miami office is handling the investigation. So it's so a lady named Cole Parker, who's a former Miami based FBI agent and now Fox News contributor used to handle maritime cases like this. She said one thing that I realized as an investigator is that people think oh you know, if I commit a crime out at sea no one's ever going to find out. And and little do they know and many times they're shocked. It's actually FBI's jurisdiction now. Before the ship returned to port, the cruise line's own security team would have secured the scene. After Kepner was found dead Friday at around 11:00am our evidence response team would be boarding that that ship in this instance it would have been that Saturday morning and multiple interviews would be conducted. I would be first asked for. I want all the cctv, I want all the video surveillance footage. Also want the key lock records which indicate who went in and out of that ship cabin at the time that the potential crime may have occurred. And agents would also naturally I'll interview everyone in the surrounding rooms so that just a the case somehow he's in trouble. I mean, I mean you should have just shoved them overboard. I hate that this Little girl aspiring to serve her country, and she's a cheerleader and living a primary life. You go out on the horizon, have a good time, and you get murdered.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Have you? I mean, obviously, it's got to be a murder, but I could be wrong. I'm speculating.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, I mean, there's. I mean, even if they found her dead, somebody rolled her up and put her underneath the bed. You don't roll yourself up. Yeah, well, and go underneath the bed and put life jackets on you and then die.

[Woody Overton]

Ask Brooke Brooks. Cleary.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

About moving a body across the room afterwards and hiding the gun and. And everything else. So, yeah, who knows? We'll see. The. Yeah, the FBI having jurisdiction is because it's a US Citizen that. That ship is registered out of wherever Panama said. Yeah. All right, well, there you have it. There's that.

[Cindy Overton]

So then let me ask you this. If it was a Chinese national, like someone from China on the ship, would China come in and take over?

[Woody Overton]

That would. That would be my guess, but I'm not really sure. And I don't lie about it, but I know the FBI handles the Americans, so there you go. Let's go. It's time for family matters. Remember when the story happened like it was yesterday? I was in Plymouth, North Carolina, fifth largest paper mill in the world. And I listened to it every day, you know, to and from work, on the news. You know which one it is?

[Cindy Overton]

I'm going to feel stupid when you tell me. All right, I know. I mean, I. I just can't think of it right now.

[Woody Overton]

Okay, so we're going to tell y' all about the killer mom, Susan Smith.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And she's the witch that drowned her two young sons in the South Carolina Lake in 1994.

[Cindy Overton]

And now, please tell me she doesn't have another kid.

[Woody Overton]

No, she's in prison for life.

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[Woody Overton]

The. She came up for parole, but. But she's got a. She's got another man. And she has made astonishing claims to male suitors or men about why she believes she was denied parole last year. She said I didn't cry enough. So she told one man earlier this year, they look for remorse and emotion, and I guess I just didn't show enough.

[Cindy Overton]

She didn't have any.

[Woody Overton]

Well, she said, I'll be better prepared next time. Like they're not gonna know this and read this in your thing. So the Daily Mail has obtained transcripts of hundreds of voice and texts that Smith has traded with men while she serves her life sentence at the Leith Correctional Institute in Greenwood, South Carolina. Check this out and I'll never really get this other than Smith is bored. And I guess some guys on the outside are bored in the same way with men. Men and women, right?

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[Woody Overton]

Anyway, they said on average, Smith sends and receives 15 to 20 texts a day and spends hours talking on the phone to love Lauren men who engage in romantic and sexual banter with her. The men range in age from 27 to their mid-60s.

[Cindy Overton]

She's on death row and she has the ability to do this.

[Woody Overton]

She's not on death row.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay. She's sentenced to life.

[Woody Overton]

Yes.

[Cindy Overton]

And she has the ability to do this.

[Woody Overton]

Yep. Do you remember when Dateline aired and I was getting videos from inmates in prison on the illegal cell phone saying, Mr. William, I case type with her. I mean whatever. They cell phones weren't an issue when I was in, but she says, I know that I'm where God wants me now. So she told another man, but I believe with all my heart that I'll be released in two years. I bet you do. Anyways, Smith texted both men after her unsuccessful parole hearing In November of 2024, when the board unanimously voted to deny her request. In the hearing and in the hearing where Smith acknowledged her crime, she said, I know what I did was horrible. She said quietly with a wavering voice, I would give anything so I could change it. She then added, God is a big part of my life. He has forgiven me and I ask that you show that kind of mercy as well. But her ex husband, David Smith, pleaded with the parole board to keep Smith in jail. Yeah, it's just not enough, he said through tears. I'm asking you please, please deny her parole today and hopefully in the future. But specifically today after the hearing, he told reporters that he would attend each parole hearing in the future to ensure that she remains behind bars. And under South Carolina law, Smith must wait two years between parole hearings and she'll get her next hearing next year. But away from the board, Smith doesn't appear as contrite quotations. They were never going to let me out, she told the first man in the text. That decision was made before I even went in front of them. It was tilted against me. Another former suitors, what they're calling, I call it the Lonely Hearts Club or Crazy Club. Who was an airline employee from Michigan who corresponded with Smith for nearly two years between 2023 and 2024, told the Day the Mail he is unsurprised that Smith spoke so callously about her parole hearing quotations. She is so good at telling everyone what they want to hear. If I want to talk about God, she talk about God. If I want to talk about sex, she'd talk about sex. But one thing that we never talked about was those two boys. She just didn't talk about them at all. She said all the right things, but then I saw that she was just talking to all these other guys and that was my deal breaker. I backed away. She would say whatever she wants to say. Whoever can help her doesn't care who she hurts. Now let me, I, I want to tell you young lifers who may not know about this. Smith was a 22 year old married mother who was living in Union, South Carolina in 1994 when she became internationally infamous for drowning her two sons, Michael, who was 3 and 14 month old Alex, and she drowned him in a lake near her home. According to the court records, she started an affair with Tom Finley, the son of her boss at Conso Products, which was a home decor trim company. But after Smith kissed and fondled another man during a 1994 naked hot tub party. Now she's married, y'.

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[Woody Overton]

Finley, who's now 56, he didn't like it and he dumped her even though she was cheating on her husband with him. And he told her in a letter that he didn't want to be with a woman with children. Susan, I could really fall for you feeling right. You have so many endearing qualities about you and I think you're a terrific person. Like I've told you before, there are some things about you that aren't suited for me. And yes, I'm speaking about your children. I'm sure your kids are good kids, but it really wouldn't matter how good they may be. The fact is I just don't want children. Well, a week later, a furious and despondent Smith left her let her burgundy Mazda roll down a boat ramp into the John D. Long lake. With her two sons still strapped in their car seats, she stood on the side of the lake and watched the car sink to the bottom as the boys cried out. After the boys had drowned. This is where it really. This got a lot of attention to. After the boys had drowned, Smith falsely told the police that a black man had carjacked her, leading to an exhaustive search in which cops went door to door black residents in the area interrogating hundred of the innocent men. For nine days, Smith and her husband David made tearful appearances on TV begging the supposed kidnapper to return their boys before she finally confessed to killing them. I knew that was lying. I was. Why would watch all this stuff? I'm like she killed him. Authorities dragged her vehicle from the lake with the two boys lifeless bodies still strapped in their car seat. And she was convicted on two counts of first degree murder. The jury rejected the death penalty and she was sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole in 30 years which has been. And she's now 54. And she's convinced that someday she will be free. She says and I'll quote and I'll end it with this. I will get out of here. I am not going to die in prison. I believe that with all my heart.

[Cindy Overton]

Keep believing it, sister.

[Woody Overton]

Stupid.

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[Woody Overton]

And I think if I'm not mistaken, if I remember correctly and I've. I'm pretty sure my memory is correct on stuff like this. I think that what she told them she was stopped at a stoplight and she got carjacked and they ended up ultimately going back and realizing that. But she said there weren't any other cars around and that light would have never turned red unless there had been another car. And that was one thing that broke her on it.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And she played the jury evidently enough to not get the death penalty because South Carolina has it even though they're in moratorium is how do you strap your babies in a car? Put it on a boat ramp, roll them in, listen to them cry out.

[Cindy Overton]

She For a man.

[Woody Overton]

For man who doesn't want you. Exactly. And you're already married. Yeah. Yeah. Hell or jail.

[Cindy Overton]

It was a new. A new. Instead of getting shot or getting an injection, we need a tank like Houdini was in. And stick that person in that tank without anything and let them drown just like she drowned her kids.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. Strap her in a car seat. Strap her car seat and put it on pay per view.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

That might deter the next one.

[Cindy Overton]

It might. It might. That is disgusting.

[Woody Overton]

It's time for Family Matters.

[Cindy Overton]

I have a story from Utah who's also a mom and son involved in it.

[Woody Overton]

There's the holidays in it, right?

[Cindy Overton]

43 year old Utah woman and her son were sentenced for their roles in a brutal kidnapping and shooting death of a victim that they targeted after they learned she was cooperating with police in a case involving another family member.

[Woody Overton]

There's aggravated circumstances.

[Cindy Overton]

Carolina Marquez was sentenced to two to 20 years for second degree manslaughter and six years to life for first degree aggravated kidnapping. The sentences will be served consecutively. And her son, who's 27 years old and his name is Fernando Marquez, he received a suspended prison sentence on Monday after pleading guilty to obstruction of justice. According to the Salt Lake County District Attorney's Office, Carolina orchestrated the kidnapping of 25 year old Consuelo Solario Romero and her nickname was Nicole. On February 6, 2021, Carolina had two men, Orlando Tobar and Jorge Medina Reyes removed the victim from an apartment at gunpoint. The men forced her into a car at gunpoint and Carolina or Carolina told them to kill some time by driving to the border, by driving to like the border of Wyoming and back. Once they returned to the Salt Lake City area, Carolina had them drive to her home in West Valley City. Tobar then brought the victim at knifepoint into the home. The suspects then questioned Solario Romero about her providing information to cops that led to the arrest of Carolina. Once she gave up like the information that they wanted to hear, Medina Reyes shot her in the head and Tobar shot her a second time. The suspects gathered at Carolina Marquez's taco restaurant where they planned how to dispose of Solario Romero's body. They called a man known as the Mechanic, later identified as Christian Morales, who helped dispose the body. The suspects wrapped the body in plastic bags and Tobar and Morales drove the body to a field in Toole county where they dumped the remains. Meanwhile, Carolina Marquez stayed behind at her home to clean up the crime scene and according to the courtroom report, photos showed Carolina Marquez laughing and calmly cleaning up the scene as though someone had spilled milk. Carolina Marquez admitted her reckless actions led to Solario Romero's death, but claimed she didn't believe the victim was going to be killed. She ordered it. Prosecutors reportedly dubbed her remorse as not genuine and Solario Romero's sister, Jessica Romero McDonald read a victim impact statement during the sentence hearing and she said Nicole wasn't just a random person you grew to hate. She was My sister. She was a mother and she was my mother's daughter. And although you took her from us, you will never take who she truly was from us. I will follow your prison journey. And at the moment you have a parole hearing, I will be there reminding you and the system why you should not be out in our community with our children, our sisters, our mothers and our society. You don't deserve any forgiveness from us. And we don't forgive you. So that is basically that.

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[Woody Overton]

Crazy. Yeah. And it's just, I don't know, I guess it's the time of the year the but today we are certainly stuck on it's time for family matters. So we are going to Michigan and this is about a dad whose three young sons vanished without a trace nearly 15 years ago. But guess what? He's now been charged with their murders just weeks before he was set to get out of prison.

[Cindy Overton]

What was he in prison for?

[Woody Overton]

John Skeleton, 53, was charged in Lanui county with three counts of open murder and three counts of tampering with evidence. And these charges were just filed on November 12th. But he's, he's been behind bars since 2011 after pleading no contest two unlawful imprisonment for abducting his sons, Andrew, who was nine, Alexandrias, who was seven and Tanner, who was five, from Michigan over Thanksgiving weekend in 2010. All right, so they got him on that, but they didn't get him on the murder. Right. So he, I guess they couldn't get him on murder if they were in Cobb county because it'd be double jeopardy.

[Cindy Overton]

That's what I was thinking.

[Woody Overton]

But he was serving a 10 to 15 year sentence and was scheduled to be released on November 29th. Can you imagine why? I'm getting out. I'm getting out. Well, the boys were last seen at their father's home in Morency after spending the holiday with him. Skelton and their mother, Tanya Zoovers, were in the middle of a spiteful divorce. Zoovers, who had sole custody, was due to pick them up the next day. But when she arrived, there was no one home. Not the kids or Skeleton. Zebras has long maintained that she believes her ex husband is responsible for the disappearance and deaths. He took them from me, she told wtbg, and I believe he killed them. Well, earlier this year, a judge granted Zoover's request to have her sons declared legally dead, a decision she had sought to find closure. It's like Morgan on on Bradley's case finally got him declared dead after six years. But the judge said at the time that there was no clear and convincing evidence that John Skelton murdered these children. On Zebra's petition to the court last December, she wrote that Skelton has been Unable or unwilling to offer any plausible explanation as to whereabouts of her kids. Skelton now is 52. She said Skelton has done nothing to assist the authorities, his family, or his ex family, wife's family, and what has become an exhaustive search since they went missing in 2010. In the immediate hours after they went missing, skeleton began his journey of misdirection and lies when his story began to unfold as to the whereabouts of his son. And investigators do what they do. They investigate what they had at the time. They use cell phone records to retrace Skelton's movements during the period in question, in which petition says completely contradicted the story he began to tell his wife and authorities. Of course, good old Skelton is like, nah, I didn't harm my boys. And he said they were with an underground group for their safety.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, okay. Yeah, okay.

[Woody Overton]

Bet you they're underground. Then he also gave some other bullshit explanations, according to investigators. So it's been cold, and the case has long haunted the small community of Barentsi. And despite years of searches, the remains have never been found. And although the years have passed, the Skelton brothers have not been forgotten. A plaque with their names and images is attached to a rock at a park near Bean Creek. And it says, faith, hope, and love. So the we're gonna go to lands in Lansing, Michigan, where the. The skeleton, he's. He's set to be arraigned on the multiple murder charges, and he's charged with three counts of open murder and, like I told you, three counts of tampering evidence. And he was given a $60 million bond. So the. Again, the boys still haven't been located, evidently. So we keep you updated because it's really interesting, right? You know, they got to have new evidence. They got to have something. And. But we're going to find out Monday when he goes to court. So y' all stay tuned. We'll bring it to you on True Crime. Time for. What's your question?

[Cindy Overton]

When is he supposed to get out?

[Woody Overton]

Well, he was supposed to get out November 29th, and now he's getting charged three counts of murder, Michigan. I'm pretty sure they don't have it.

[Cindy Overton]

With a $60 million bond. So he's not going to be able to bond out 60 million.

[Woody Overton]

Well, he's been in prison 14 years. He's making a nickel an hour.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, I hope he's been saving his nickels. You have to pay $7 million to get. Yeah, they got his fucking ass.

[Cindy Overton]

How do you Say he's in the underground society for our underground, whatever for his safety. But they don't go. They don't try to get any more information out of him for that. What underground? What.

[Woody Overton]

I'm sure that. I'm sure they did their jobs and you know they. But you can only go as far as you can go. Some people just don't do their jobs. But you know these, these. I hate to say it about Bradley and Austin. These weren't people who were in the lifestyle.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Who they can just write off as an overdose or just hillies crackhead in the woods still in deer cameras. And he has. Because he has warrants after you've been looking for him and treating as a homicide case. All right, look, I'm going to do something else. It's time for beast mode. This is a beast mode. Kind of the one thing. What's the one thing that I haven't tried besides human flesh? Dog. Oh yeah. Well I probably ate some of that overseas or something or some Mexican restaurant somewhere or not Mexican. Some shitty restaurant.

[Cindy Overton]

Bison.

[Woody Overton]

You've heard me say this and I'm going to get some this year.

[Cindy Overton]

I know I'm off today. I didn't. I didn't sleep at all last night. I am way off today. And you say it. I'm going to feel horrible.

[Woody Overton]

Well this story contains. Was reported as a bear attack. Oh yeah. I do want to eat some bear. My boys up north had some for me and you gotta to hunt a bear. Where they hunt you gotta get so many points. And I'm in the system now. One day I'll get my bear tag. That's not the really kind of bear I want to kill. I want to kill a grizzly here in Florida.

[Cindy Overton]

You can just say as a hog. Remember that story.

[Woody Overton]

If that's the case. I had a bear on camera one of video cameras yesterday. Yeah, it was a big bear too. All by himself. But the. In a way this story also contains something which I think is just really really shitty. And I had a couple racist stories that popped up today and the we don't like racist. No the any. It doesn't matter. I'm talking about if it's white on black, black on white, yellow on white, whatever. The racism sucks.

[Cindy Overton]

It does.

[Woody Overton]

It's uncalled for. I know so many people of different races that are so many so much better than people of my own race.

[Cindy Overton]

You're right.

[Woody Overton]

And they judge a person by their heart. Not the color of skin to go out Montana beautiful. I can imagine there's not Big sky country.

[Cindy Overton]

There's not one way, not a lot of this race that you're probably going to talk about up there in Montana.

[Woody Overton]

Which race is that?

[Cindy Overton]

I don't know.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. But you don't. I'm gonna now tell a story. But I keep thinking the billings when I spent that three weeks up there. And that's where John T. Mo running buddy road buddy road partner and the academy buddy lives. So we go in Montana and a white supremacist has been found guilty of murder in a brutal killing at a southwestern Montana campsite last year. The crime initially was reported as a bear attack.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh.

[Woody Overton]

Pretty fucking violent.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. That has to.

[Woody Overton]

It's like the grizzly bear. I want to go hunt. You got to fly in. You can't hunt for the the first day or whatever these bears will you.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

They have no predators. Right. The prosecutor said that Darren Christopher Abbey attacked a guy named Dustin Kedgerson with a block of wood, an ax and a screwdriver after they met at Mr. Kedrison's campsite near Big sky in October last year. Now, Abby later admitted to stealing Mr. Ketchup's guns, cooler, mobile phones and other belongings and concealing evidence. You know you're out there this. It's such. There's nothing in the most this place out of the book God's country and that people actually go camping and can't see other people and you know. Right. Just. It's like big but everybody's going to be armed. Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

You would. Yeah. There.

[Woody Overton]

But anyway, the. So his DNA was found on a beer can inside the tent which linked him to the murder scene. And an inmate inform information document from Galatian county last year noted Abby's affiliation with white supremacists. While the state Department of Corrections records showed his tattoos included an iron cross with a swastika. Right. Well, investigators looking at the crime scene, they found shot glasses and beer cans in the tent that suggested someone else had been there with kedra SIM on October 10. So they get the DNA out and they run it. And the DNA on the beer can match two people in the state's criminal database. Darren Abby and someone to believe to be Abby's twin brother. But the brother was ruled out. You know why? Because his ass wasn't. He was in prison. So they. They tracked down Mr. Abby and read him his rights. And he said you know what? I killed him. But it was a self defense after he threatened me. Authorities said there were inconsistencies in a story and they pointed to multiple chop Wounds in the attack. Right. I mean if you. If it's self defense, how many times you got to chop them up? But the victim's girlfriend and another friend found his body and reported it as a possible bear attack and. But it turned into a homicide investigation after wildlife agents found no sign of a bear in the area.

[Cindy Overton]

I would assume that a bear doesn't.

[Woody Overton]

There was no bear. There was no bear in the woods. Cats within the Yankees call it.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Kendra Sim had two children and worked as a self employed contractor building homes and learning other trades. And according to his sister, now our bad guy, Abby told authorities he arrived at the campsite intended to stay the night and was welcomed by ketchison who didn't know him. And this according to Galatian county sheriff Dan Springer. Well you know, he stuck to his guns on it being self defense and guess what? They took him to trial and they had a six day trial. And the jury found Abby gave guilty of deliberate homicide and tampering with evidence. And on December 30th he has to stand before before judge Peter Oman who is going to give him his sentence. And guess what?

[Cindy Overton]

They have it.

[Woody Overton]

This is in the article. I don't even have to look up. They made it easy for me. Deliberate homicide is a capital offense in Montana. But in this case they will not seek the death penalty. But they did have it available. So chopped them up. You know, I guess. This work? Well, no, not worse ways to go. But you know, you think about if I gotta go, like I'd like to be scuba diving or sitting on the deer stand and fall asleep and not wake up. I mean if camping was my gig and you know, I'd like to go peacefully in my sleep at camp and I don't want to be chopped up and be with wood and all that. And then they stole with.

[Allie Jackson]

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[Cindy Overton]

Well, he. The guy was supreme at something, but it wasn't intellect.

[Woody Overton]

Lock his ass. I mean come on man, get your beer cans out. You're in the system, you're a violent offender. Obviously they don't. They don't. You know. Now I don't know about Montana, but Louisiana has a law where if you get arrested for certain crimes they swab you automatically put you in the database.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Which is genius. They started that back when I was in Detectives and thank goodness for his brother and catching a charge because he's already locked up on another charge. Yeah, I mean, I mean what kind of job employment do you think you're gonna get when you have a swastika tattooed on your forehead.

[Cindy Overton]

I think I've only met one other person that had a swastika and he really didn't have much of his job. His job was to probably do drugs all day.

[Woody Overton]

If I'm, if I'm a Walmart supervisor, okay, yeah, I throw a shade on Walmart. Just some, just. I gotta interview everybody that applies. And you walk in and you got the big Nazi SS and a swastika on your forehead. I'm very sure I'm going to go through the motions and you're not. You can't even get hired as a Walmart greeter. You can't get hired to push buggies.

[Cindy Overton]

Something tells me that that type of individual doesn't want that type of job.

[Woody Overton]

Tells me that his ass has been in prison his whole adult life and all the reason they do that nine times out of ten honestly in prison is to keep the booty pirates off of allegiance. Right? Yeah. Because they have the allegiance to the. To the. Yeah, fuck it. Fuck that, man. The, the, you know, racism sucks, murder sucks. All these family stories we did today suck.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm sorry, I. Well, I don't plan on ever going to prison, but you could do that to me every day. Booty whatever, me, every. Whatever girls get done to them before I get that tattooed on my forehead to protect myself. I'm sorry.

[Woody Overton]

That's not only. That's like a. It's like the military, they make them work out. They have a hierarchy. If you don't do what they tell you to do, they'll kill you.

[Cindy Overton]

I'll be someone's. And they can kill me before I get that on me. I'm sorry. I mean, and I'm speaking because I'm not in there, but we're not going to prison. Well, not. No, period. I mean, haven't done anything.

[Woody Overton]

But we want some people to go to prison.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And I wish I could say I knew what I knew about a lot of things, but I just can't.

[Cindy Overton]

And so frustrating.

[Woody Overton]

It is so frustrating. And because I see all the posts and everything. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And even got the good people that are sending me constantly that I want to reach back out to some of them. I know you're listening. You and your little crew are listening to me now. And I just thought about this. I wouldn't even do it. And the last communication that you reached out.

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[Woody Overton]

And I'm not going to reach back out because I'm afraid of burning you and you know who you are. But I'll be seeing you Sooner than later. How about that? So, yeah, put that in your corn pipe and smoke a burning parish for what that means. And guess what? This. Yeah, it'll be. I'm not saying coming over there to. To close everything up.

[Cindy Overton]

No.

[Woody Overton]

But they damn sure are going to know when I'm coming.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. And it's frustrating the speculation. We have really good people. I read in the comments, and they're saying things they don't know is true, that they are acting as if it is true. And it. I don't.

[Woody Overton]

People.

[Cindy Overton]

I want to correct them or just say, be quiet.

[Woody Overton]

That's. It's not your job.

[Cindy Overton]

You're not helping.

[Woody Overton]

But that's not your job. And that's America. And they're going to say, but the one thing that does. What I don't mind about the. All the misinformation, if you will, is it's kind of like any publicity is good publicity. All the misinformation keeps the heat on.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, they're.

[Woody Overton]

And, oh, my God, they got the heat on. And. And I know from multiple sources they're actually trying to solve Bradley's case now before we do. Not that it's not a fair fight because they have access to all the stuff that. That I don't. Everything from going and looking at a certain spot to whatever. Whatever. But it's okay, you know, I don't give a. It's not a race for me. Let's bring Bradley home.

[Cindy Overton]

Are they trying to solve it? Because I feel like they already know what happened to Bradley. Are they trying to solve it or trying to manipulate it to where it looks like it was different than it was?

[Woody Overton]

Maybe I'm not there. I can't answer that. I just told you that they're trying to solve it. And the. If they solve it, so be it. Solve it being you should have done it in the first place, which they're going to catch a lick for that anyway. The end. But it is what it is.

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[Woody Overton]

First one to solve or it's not even about who solves it. How about that? Bad guys and girls. It's not about who did it. It's about proven to be on a reasonable doubt.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Not probable cause. I wish it was probable cause. And I wish I wore a badge over there because you asses would be in jail already. And I don't have anything else. Do you?

[Cindy Overton]

Nope.

[Woody Overton]

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[Cindy Overton]

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