True Crime Time For November 26, 2025 | Jen Shaw’s Release, Sonia Exelby’s Mystery, and the Cannibalism Case That Shook the World

Summary

Real Life Real Crime: True Crime Time For November 26, 2025

Episode Theme:
Woody and Cindy Overton deliver a dark pre-Thanksgiving roundup of recent true crime stories, including reality TV star Jen Shaw’s prison release drama, the deadly mystery of Sonia Exelby, updates on chilling cases of abuse and murder, and the infamous Greyhound bus cannibalism incident. The episode is punctuated with characteristic dark humor, candid commentary, and emphasis on justice for victims.

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Main Discussion Points and Insights

1. Holiday Chatter and Listener Engagement

• [02:23–03:04] Woody and Cindy banter about Thanksgiving and fried turkey, giving a “homey” start. Woody briefly addresses listeners who call in anonymously about cold cases, expressing a desire for trust and authenticity.
• Woody: “If I tell you you’re going to remain anonymous, you’re going to remain anonymous. Otherwise… you’re playing for the other side.” (03:37)

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2. Jen Shaw’s Release: Real Housewives Star Out Early?

• [04:11–07:23] Cindy reports on Jen Shaw, a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City cast member, getting early prison release for wire fraud.
  • Sentenced to 6.5 years in 2023 for telemarketing fraud; may be released as early as December 2025, but official “projected” release is August 30, 2026.
• Cindy: “Shaw’s manager… says that the Bravo Star has achieved ‘real growth’ while incarcerated and is aware of the gravity of her mistakes.” (06:20)
• The Overtons question the mix of public and official reports, reflecting skepticism about early releases for high-profile offenders.

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3. Sonia Exelby’s Tragic Mystery: From the UK to Murder in Florida

• [07:23–12:22] Woody narrates the disturbing case of Sonia Exelby:
  • British woman traveled to Florida, went missing, and was later found dead.
  • Dwayne Hall, linked via credit card fraud, is charged with first-degree murder and kidnapping.
  • Revelation: Exelby sought out someone online specifically to help her end her life.
• Woody: “She came to America to have this guy kill her. Oh my gosh.” (11:22)
• Cindy and Woody criticize the existence of subcultures that facilitate assisted suicide, mulling the disturbing reality of such online spaces.

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4. A String of Abuse and Predation in the News

Rapid-fire Case:

• [12:27–13:40] Woody cuts in with a developing story:
  • Minnesota man Jesse Tesmer pleads guilty to repeated rape of a girl under 16 across 2022–2024; faces just three years in prison.
  • Both hosts express disbelief and frustration at the light sentence.
  • Woody: “Three years. Three years in prison. Raping a young girl… I hope she misspoke on that.” (13:25)

Baton Rouge Teacher Scandal:

• [13:40–16:39] Cindy covers Chloe Ephron, a 24-year-old substitute teacher arrested for an inappropriate relationship with a 16-year-old:
  • Groomed student via sexting, gifts, and nicknames; arrested following mother’s discovery of messages.
  • EBR Parish schools swiftly terminate Ephron; safety message read.
• Woody: “Thank God she got caught, right?” (16:22)

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5. Crime of Greed: The Alaska Murder for Hire Plot

• [23:06–28:37] A revisit of the 2019 murder of Cynthia Hoffman in Alaska involving teens lured into a murder-for-hire scheme.
  • Caden McIntosh (16 at crime, now 22) sentenced to 85 years (15 suspended) for killing developmentally disabled Hoffman at the urging of Denali Bremer, who believed an online catfish would pay her $9 million if she filmed the murder.
  • Bremer: 99 years; online manipulator (Darren S. Miller): 99 years.
  • Quote: “There was no rash or spontaneous decision… but rather cold, calculated murder.” – Judge Peterson (25:24)
  • Shock at gullibility and horror at youth participating in violent, online-instigated crime.
• Woody: “Do you really think you’re… just going to pay you $9 million?” (27:53)

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6. Utah Child Starvation: A Case of Abuse and Systemic Failure

• [28:55–41:36] A deeply disturbing case of child starvation and neglect:
  • Five-year-old girl in Utah, starved by father (David Fevas) and stepmother (Jessica Harmony).
  • Child forced to scavenge Play-Doh and feces to survive, locked out of access to food; father tried to return her to child services after girlfriend became pregnant.
  • Child failed to thrive, repeatedly hospitalized, not enrolled in school, isolated within the home.
  • Both father and stepmother charged with felony child torture; other children placed in state care.
• Quote (Affidavit): “He admitted that he resented the five-year-old because she rubbed him the wrong way and he got an odd vibe or an odd feeling from her.” (35:44)
• Woody is fiery, expressing hope for the worst for the perpetrators, and angrily discusses systemic neglect.

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7. The Cannibalism Crime: The Manitoba Greyhound Bus Murder

• [43:42–51:29] The most shocking story: The murder and cannibalism of Tim McLean on a Canadian bus in 2008.
  • Perpetrator Vincent Li beheaded and cannibalized McLean, believing him to be an ‘alien’ as part of a psychotic episode.
  • Police found McLean’s severed head, with some organs presumed eaten. Li was judged not criminally responsible and, after years in a mental institution, is now free, living under a new name (Will Lee Baker) without mandatory checks.
• Woody: “Put that on your Thanksgiving menu… your boy eating his heart and shit and we can’t stop you… locked the bus, Lee in it. So it’s like a buffet for Lee.” (45:47, 46:13)
• Cindy’s disbelief serves as a surrogate for the audience’s; Woody’s storytelling is gory, laced with morbid humor.
• Critique of “absolute discharge” policies and incredulity at freedom for a cannibal-killer.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On anonymity and trust:
  “If I tell you you’re going to remain anonymous, you’re going to remain anonymous.” (Woody, 03:37)

• On Jen Shaw’s “growth” behind bars:
  “Shaw’s manager… says that the Bravo Star has achieved ‘real growth’ while incarcerated and is aware of the gravity of her mistakes.” (Cindy, 06:20)

• On Exelby’s suicide plot:
  “She came to America to have this guy kill her. Oh my gosh.” (Woody, 11:22)

• On the Alaska plot's absurdity:
  “Do you really think you’re… just going to pay you $9 million?” (Woody, 27:53)

• On child abuse case:
  “He admitted that he resented the five-year-old because she rubbed him the wrong way and he got an odd vibe or an odd feeling from her.” (Woody, quoting affidavit, 35:44)

• On Greyhound bus cannibalism:
  “Put that on your Thanksgiving menu… your boy eating his heart and shit and we can’t stop you… locked the bus, Lee in it. So it’s like a buffet for Lee.” (Woody, 45:47, 46:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment Theme | Timestamps | |---|---| | Opening Banter & Listener Calls | 02:23–04:11 | | Jen Shaw’s Early Release Discussed | 04:11–07:23 | | Sonia Exelby’s Murder Case | 07:23–12:22 | | Teacher-Student Abuse in Baton Rouge | 13:40–16:39 | | Alaska Murder-for-Hire Plot | 23:06–28:37 | | Utah Child Starvation Case | 28:55–41:36 | | Greyhound Bus Cannibalism Case | 43:42–51:29 | | Closing Remarks | 51:29–52:35 |

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Tone and Style

Woody and Cindy’s trademark blend of Southern informality, righteous indignation, dark humor, and empathy for victims runs throughout. Woody is blunt, often profane, and doesn’t shy from expressing his desire for harsher punishments for violent offenders. Cindy acts as both a factual counterpoint and empathetic voice, with moments of incredulity and disgust that reflect the audience’s reactions.

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Summary

This pre-Thanksgiving special from Woody and Cindy Overton walks listeners through a gruesome buffet of true crime news: the legal drama of reality TV felons, unsettling international murder plots, failed justice for child sexual assault, systemic child starvation, and one of the most disturbing acts of cannibalism in recent history. Each story is dissected with equal parts grit and dark humor, providing listeners with equal measures shock, anger, and macabre fascination.

End Message:
The Overtons wish their listeners a safe and happy holiday—reminding everyone to be grateful for what they have and stay vigilant. Their closing wish? That none of their listeners ever have to share a table with someone like Vincent Li.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

Foreign. Hello everybody and welcome this episode of True Crime. Time for Wednesday, November 26, 2025. And I'm Woody Overton.

[A]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[C]

This is our second Wednesday before Turkey Day. For True Crime. For Time for It's our anniversary. It is, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Anyway, the family's all in. More of them coming in all the time. Birds are defrosting. Peanut oil is getting ready to do what it does. If you don't fry with peanut oil, you don't know what you're missing.

[A]

That's for sure.

[C]

And most People don't because it's so expensive, but it's expensive because it's worth.

[A]

It and it lasts longer and it can be clean.

[C]

Absolutely. Absolutely delicious.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Anyway, Happy Turkey Day Eve. I'm gonna bring you a special drop tomorrow about Thanksgiving. And other than that, let's roll. Hashtag just for Bradley. Hashtag just for ao. There's some. If you call in and this all day long. And I love it. Not bitching, not complaining. But if you call in, this person just called four times in a row, didn't leave a message. They all from a block number, then left a message saying that, you know, they had altered their voice and but wanted to talk about Riley's case. I'm like, pretty sure I'm not talking to you. You gotta give me some. You gotta have enough faith in me. If I tell you you're going to remain anonymous, you're going to remain anonymous. Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, you're playing for the other side.

[A]

Absolutely.

[C]

And not dealing with it. So having enough tips and everything to work. So. But y' all keep calling it in and hashtag Justin Barber Blunt. So Happy Thanksgiving, Eve. Cindy, what do you have?

[A]

Well, I am starting off with actually one of the Real Housewives that I don't even watch.

[C]

You don't watch a Real Housewife?

[A]

I don't watch this franchise of Real Housewives.

[C]

You must be being. Are you like, gender slamming them or what kind of races are you being? What's the deal? Why aren't you watching it? I can promise you I'm watching every football show that's ever made and stuff like that. Well, I know you got a reason.

[A]

I don't honestly know my reason. I might start watching it because this is the Salt Lake City Real Housewives and I love the Secret Wives, the Secret lives of Mormon wives, and they're based out of Utah. So, like, why wouldn't I watch Salt Lake Cities?

[C]

I mean, I don't know choir minds for one another.

[A]

I don't really. I don't watch Miami. I don't watch Atlanta anymore since Nene's not there and some of the film isn't. I mean, you want me to get into it? Do you ask?

[C]

I was asking about this when you telling the story about.

[A]

Well, nearly three years after Jen Shaw went to jail.

[C]

Fans, who that is and why? Because I don't know anything about it.

[A]

So Jen Shaw is a person on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and she went to jail. I don't even know why she went to Jail? I'm fixing to find out as well. She was put behind bars for conspiracy to commit wire fraud in connection with a telemarketing thing, or she will be released from prison in a matter of weeks. So the Real Housewife of Salt Lake City Star has been granted an early departure date of December 10th by the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Shaw was originally sentenced to six and a half years for her crimes back in 2023. And so now, obviously, that means she'll spend less than half of her sentence behind bars. Shaw's manager, Chris Giovanni, says that the Bravo Star has achieved real growth in quotation marks while incarcerated and is aware of the gravity of her mistakes. But a representative from the Federal Bureau of Prisons Office of Public affairs has told Daily Mail that Shaw is still projected to be released in 2026 for privacy, safety and security reasons. We do not discuss any incarcerated individual's conditions of confinement or specific release plans. However, we can confirm Jennifer Shaw has a projected Release date of August 30, 2026 is what the federal prison people said, or it's actually on the Find an Inmate page as well. That's basically the story. I'm just, just reading what I got here. So she's set to be released early, but people are saying that, wow.

[C]

Right, Right. All right, well, we're going to Florida and this lady who's was British, she went to Florida and she never left. And she was found dead after she had contacted this dude who was living in Florida. But what do you think of her? She wants to contact him about.

[A]

She left a driver's license with him on a date?

[C]

No. Sonia Exelby, 32, who was reported missing by her loved ones in Ports Portsmouth after she failed to return from a flight from Gainesville Regional Airport. Right. So the. The UK police were like, let's check it out and see what happens. So they call the Florida Department of Law, ENFOR Enforcement, and they open investigation to where she was. Right, well, and they found her. And Marion County, Florida, they found her body. All right, so Dwayne hall, who's 53 years old, was arrested by investigators after he was linked to fraudulent transactions made on her credit cards and now faces charge of first degree murder, kidnapping, credit fraud and unlawful use of a communication device. In the Post on social media at the time of her disappearance, her boyfriend said that it was believed that Ms. Exby had arranged to meet someone and had got into a extremely vulnerable situation. She got a boyfriend back in Britain.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Or stay tuned. So, analysis of her remains confirmed her identity and Gave her calls as cause of death a stab wounds, plural. It had been reported that she met hall on a website and informed him that she was. Yes, single, suicidal. Oh right before she traveled to meet him. And quotations Our agents worked with extraordinary speed unwavering determination to ensure justice was served. Enclosure was brought to the victim's family as Cordo Florida Department of Law Enforcement or Commissioner Mark Glass. This type of violent crime and disregard for human life will not be tolerated in our state. Those who commit such heinous crimes will be held fully accountable. And Florida's tough stance against crime is due largely in part to professional cooperation between local and and state law enforcement. This powerful partnership between my office and FDLE will continue to come together and bring swift justice. And that's according to Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods. The police forces involved investigation included the FBI and the Hampshire and Isle Wright Conservatory. The force said Hampshire and Isle of right Constable received a report that a 32 year old Sonia Exaby was missing from her home in South Sea. Initial inquiries established that she had traveled outside of the UK prior to the report being received. And our officers are liaison with US authorities assist in the ongoing investigation including the FDLE where she is believed to have traveled etc. Etc. And the y' all. She came specifically and I left this out in the beginning on purpose. She came to America to have this guy kill her. Oh my gosh. Evidently he did the job. Evidently the state of Florida doesn't really appreciate that. And the fact that you. And I guess she's like this is how I pay you just take my credit cards and use them. She had a boyfriend at home. Can you believe they have fucking websites that allow that. If you're suicidal, please contact me.

[A]

Well they do because you used to do talk about the people that were sending boxes of like the.

[C]

Yeah assisted suicide stuff. That's just crazy. And the. I mean I guess there's of a website or social media or whatever for everyone but that one ain't for me. And she got what she wanted. I guess. I mean she. It's not like he's dude's making it up and saying this is my defense. They got it on her end saying that she was wanted to commit suicide and this guy was like okay, come on over here, I'll do it for you. Come on over here. Right.

[A]

Oh my gosh.

[C]

So what you got?

[A]

I have got. Sorry, I had a story pulled up at it.

[C]

A movable man pleading guilty today to raping a girl under the age of 16. 40 year old Jesse Tesmer pleading guilty to two counts of first degree criminal sexual conduct in Wabasha county court. Tesmer was supposed to go to trial this week before he accepted them plea deal. According to court records, the sexual abuse by Tesmer took place over multiple occasions from 2022 to 2024. Tesmer faces up to three years in prison. He'll be sentenced in January. Three years. Three years in prison. Raping a young girl. I hope she misspoke on that. That was from KTTC TV and I just really, I just want to throw that in there while we're waiting for you to get ready for your next story. Are you laughing? It's the truth. I didn't know. I just popped up on my screen. Are you ready? It's time for effort of professional.

[A]

Stay very local for this one. In East Baton Rouge parish who was a part time substitute teacher at an East Baton Rouge Parish high school. And she was arrested on Thursday for inappropriately touching, sexting and calling a 16 year old student nice. Chloe Ephron, who's 24 years old, began texting the student on October 12th. She asked for things like his height and his weight and his age to apparently update the football roster. She said. Arrest documents show that Efron was an athletic trainer for the school's football team and she was apparently on a volunteer basis only for that part, but she was a substitute teacher. Over the course of the next month, Efron began having a more personal relationship with the student and she bought him food, she would give him rides to and from school and eventually she started calling him nicknames and expressing her love for him.

[C]

Grooming.

[A]

Their conversations eventually turned sexual with an exchange of inappropriate photos and messages. And in early November, the student's mother discovered the messages and reported them to the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's office.

[C]

Not going to like that.

[A]

Now the word allegedly is all over this and I'm leaving it out, but I will say this is all alleged. Efron was arrested on Thursday and booked into the East Baton Rouge Parish prison for indecent behavior with a juvenile. And East Baton Rouge Parish schools issued a statement on Friday and it says the East Baton Rouge Parish school system has terminated a part time substitute teacher following an investigation into allegations of an inappropriate relationship with a student. As soon as the concern was reported, law enforcement was immediately notified in accordance with the district policy. Protecting the safety and well being of our students is our top priority. Any behavior that violates this trust is unacceptable and will not be tolerated. We are, we we want to reassure our families and community that we remain committed to maintaining a safe learning environment and holding all employees to the highest standards of conduct.

[C]

Yep, as it should be. And then you got this person in position, this effed up professional grooming and grooming and grooming. But thank God she got caught, right? Yeah, but put herself in the. Put me on the substitute list. That's what she said.

[A]

And I'll volunteer to be part of the football team.

[C]

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And I feel better knowing we're not bringing all of those unnecessary toxins into the house. Earth Breeze is free from dyes, parabens, phosphates, and those weird optical brighteners that stick to your clothes. It's just an easy sheet that dissolves and gets the job done. Right now you can try Earth Breeze for up to 40% off plus get four free [e-mail] RLRC that's earthbreeze.com RLRC yeah, trainer. Oh, absolutely. It's like a putting a hunger man in front of buffet. So, all right, let's go on to the ways you can make money. You know, some people aspire to be police officers, some doctors, some teachers or whatever. Well, going all the way back to 2019 and a dude named Kaden McIntosh, he thought he was going to make a lot of money for what we looking at my screen. Motherfuckers cheating. Can't read that far anyway. You blind?

[A]

That's why I'm like, why are you worried about me looking at. I've got my readers on. So I definitely.

[C]

What's he going to, what's he going to make a lot of money doing?

[A]

He's going to make a lot of money making pizzas and he's going to.

[C]

Make a lot of money by helping murder a young woman. Woman. The young man who's from Alaska, he teamed up with another young woman, Denali Bremer, to kill the girl after being solicited to commit the crime by a man that Bremer met online. But the promise was never fulfilled, thankfully. And although McIntosh didn't find himself rich like he was thinking, suddenly wealthy, Right? Right. May, he did find himself with three hots in the cot because they, they cuffed him and stuff and put his ass in jail. And now he will likely be spending the rest of his life behind bars. And I know Alaska doesn't have the death penalty, but they will put your ass in prison. They had a whole lot of people in prison, Alaska. Did you know that?

[A]

They do have a lot Of I.

[C]

Said there's not a whole lot of people in prison, Alaska.

[A]

Yeah, well, you know, I don't.

[C]

There's not a lot of people in Alaska.

[A]

Well, what is the ratio of.

[C]

I can promise there's not a lot of people compared to everywhere else. All right. But on November 14, 2025, McIntosh appeared in court to be sentenced for the 2019 killing of Cynthia Hoffman. Anchor Superior Court Judge Andrew Peterson sentenced the now 22 year old to 85 years in prison with 15 years suspended. And this is according to anchor Staley News macintosh was one of the five teens who conspired to kill Hoffman. And check this out. MASH is one of the five teens who conspired to kill Hoffman, who was developmentally disabled after Denali Bremer was offered millions of dollars to kill someone and film it. Millions?

[A]

Millions.

[C]

Why is going to pay you millions dollar to kill people and you get it done for three grand? No, but anyway, so all I remember was the ringleader, McIntosh was the one who actually killed Hoffman. So the guy I opened the story about didn't do it. He just had participation knowledge. Right?

[A]

Right.

[C]

So. And he shot her once in the head. Said Mr. McIntosh, while not the ringleader or orchestrator, was an active participant in the planning and the selection of Cynthia Hoffman to be murdered. And he was fully aware of the plan. That's according to Judge Peterson. There was no rash or spontaneous decision or action in this case by Mr. McIntosh, but rather cold, calculated murder. And according to the prosecutors, McIntosh, who was 16 at the time of the killing, believed he would get $750,000 for it. He pled guilty to second degree murder. Last year, McIntosh was the last of the group to be sentenced. Bremer, who was 18 at the time of killing, was sentenced to 99 years in prison. Back in February 2024, she pled guilty to murder. In 2023, Bremer, who Hoffman believed was her best friend, was in an online relationship with a man allegedly named Tyler. The man offered her 9 million to kill someone and take pictures. I'm pretty sure he was full of shit. But In June of 2019, Bremer, McIntosh and Hoffman went on a hike at Thunderbird Falls in Chuggiak, Alaska. Once there, they. They tied Hoffman up duct tape and took pictures before McIntosh shot her. Prosecutors argued that even though Bremer didn't fire the gun, she was still guilty. And I totally agree with that. So she may not have pulled the trigger, that this never would have happened if it weren't for. For Denali Bremer. According to Patrick McKay, the prosecutor, eventually it was discovered that Darren S.H. miller of Indiana was the one who catfished Bremer. He pled guilty to soliciting murder and was sentenced to 99 years in prison. What the. He's just bored at home. Is it?

[A]

I mean I don't understand people.

[C]

I just. It's just. I mean there's people. They still kidnap and taped and held her against the will and shot her in the head. But do you really think you're some dude online just going to pay you $9 million?

[A]

Apparently so.

[C]

Right before a sentence, McIntosh addressed some members of the Hoffman's family who were present in court to apologize. Said I know that doesn't cut it. I don't expect you to forgive me. I'm trying to take accountability for this. The members of the Hoffman family seem pleased with McIntosh sentence. And even though they hoped for 99 years, they said it's not what we wanted, but we're satisfied. And that was Don Hoffman who was one of Cynthia's uncles. He's going to be an old man when he gets out.

[A]

He still shouldn't get out.

[C]

I agree. Take him outside and shoot him in the head just like they did them literally. I need to, I need to come up with some kind of advocacy to change the punishment laws that really wouldn't apply there for like selling weed because then you just have to make them get, get high all day, get them.

[A]

High and don't let them have something to eat with their munchies.

[C]

Oh my God, I got so many of those stories. I just don't want to do one of them today. But you know what? I'm gonna do one just because you said that. It's time for family matters. So listen to this. They had had a dad who gained custody of a 15 month old child and he now says he admits that he resented the child and and tried to give her back to the char the department of Children Family Services when his girlfriend became pregnant because she rubbed him in the wrong way.

[A]

The 15 month old did and he.

[C]

Didn'T want to take care of her. This according to police who found evidence of what other abuses on the baby. So 5 year old girl here comes was so starved by her father and stepmother. This is in Utah. She had been reduced to eating non food items like play doh and her own feces in order to stay alive. So despite David Fevas who's 32 and Jessica Harmon Harmony is 42 repeatedly insisting that the child was well fed and even over 8 fall out to do so. The authorities say that's a bunch of bullshit and that the evidence did not back up those claims. Both have been charged with felony child torture. And this is near Salt Lake. It might be your real wives at Salt Lake City. The girl's father actually is the one who brought about the investigation on himself because he brought her to the hospital on August 30, 2025 and he told the staff that she was not gaining weight and she would eat her own feces, play DOH and other non food items. Well let's go through a few red flags and people in the emergency room have kids and shit, too many grandkids and stuff like that. And so they examine the girl and they assessed her situation and they figure out quickly that it was far more dire than the dad Fevas was presenting. The center for Safe and Healthy Families at Primary Children's Medical center noted severe malnutrition and growth failure. She was experiencing multiple medical distresses as a result of severe and chronic malnutrition, according to the statement. Police statement including bradycardia which is a slowing of the heart rate and shrinking of heart muscles often seen prolonged malnutrition most commonly associated with anorexia. Now SHF explained the unusually eating behaviors by explaining in the DA's press release that even a five year old is old enough to attempt to save themselves from things like starvation by scavenging for food or eating non food items. The organization said it was a common late stage manifest manifestation of starvation when the body is over when the body is able to overcome revulsion and eat non food into the attempt to stain sustain themselves. As I say how hungry the first piece to have to be person to be the oyster or whatever women being play DOH and stuff. This also was the first time the girl had been admitted with her also being brought in the hospital in February 2025 for the same issues at that she was noted to be suffering from failure to thrive in malnutrition but appears that no positive changes were made in her care at home. There's a good old dad Phoebus said that he gained custody of the girl at 5 months old and that since she has since then she has steadily decreased on the growth chart and it's all in the provocause affidavit at the time she was brought in. Doctor said she weighed about what you would expect a 16 month old child to weigh. Can you believe that? No, it's five years. That's a lot. That's almost four years. They miss starving when asked about her eating habits, Feva said that she would eat until she vomited and at non food items like play doh and wax. He further said that his daughter would eat food out of the trash, get up at night to find food and suffers from chronic constipation. He said that he thought that she was a thief. Right. Who. Who would steal food. Which is why he and Harmes ultimately put put child locks on the refrigerator, pantry and trash in addition to having us a starvation. Just when you think it couldn't get any better. The SHF noted that the girl had not been enrolled in school, which raised concerns for isolation, which is another form of psychological treatment. There were two other children in the house. Here we go. Right. Harmony's 13 year old son and the couple's newborn daughter. But they had no, absolutely no evidence of mistreatment. The detective discovered that the five year old shared a room with both the teen and the newborn in the family's one bedroom apartment. But while the older children slept on a hammock chair and the baby in a bassinet, the girl was forced to sleep on the ground with only a blanket. The dad told investigators that there was another air mattress in storage, but it was just too hard to get to and there was no room for it in the apartment. Right. This dude would make me lose my job, made me lose my Jesus. In the interview in the teen, he told investigators the 15 year old. In interviewing the teen, he. He told investigators the five year old was known to access a refrigerator, freezer and pantry which led for his family to install child locks to prevent her from accessing the feedback. He indicated it was his mom's idea to lock up the food.

[A]

Oh, I'm sure it was.

[C]

Right. Well, Harmony's told them that when she and her son moved in, the girl would eat large quantities food making them hesitant to give her more. She said the girl would bulk up and then become really really, really thin. And as she was when 5 is took her to the hospital. She said the child did not grow beyond a 2T size during the first year that she lived with the papivas and did not gain weight nor did she speak. When investigators talked to her dad of the year fevas, he admitted that he resented the five year old because she rubbed him the wrong way and he got in odd vibe or an odd feeling from her in quotations that was not in any way shape or form kosher. No, but that's from the affidavit. Right. Like you had to put that in air, Captain Obvious. Hermes, the wonderful stepmom, said that when she found out she was pregnant, they tried to call the Department of Child and Family Services to give them the girl, but the organ wouldn't take her. And according to the press release, Harmony said that Fevis wanted to give up his daughter because he didn't want her and didn't want to take care of her. At Fevis bond hearing on Thursday, prosecutors asked that he be kept behind bars without bond. Calling the situation extremely concerning, they said this is a matter of being deprived food and being prevented from stealing food. Apparently she was so hungry she's still in diaper and eating her own bcs. This is a little beyond just not taking care of a child or neglecting a child. I'll be honest, I've always had a hard time shutting my brain down at night to get to sleep. Then I tried Mood Sleepy Time Gummies and that changed everything. Did you know there's an online cannabis company that ships federally legal THC right to your door? And they've even figured out how to combine THC with carefully selected functional ingredients to target nearly every mood you can think of. I'm talking about Mood.com's incredible line of functional gummies, and right now you can get 20% off your first order at mood.com with promo code RLRC. Forget one size fits all supplements that only get you high. Mood's functional gummies are optimized to keep kick in in as little as 15 minutes and take you exactly where you want to go, whether that's Mind Magic gummies for deep focus and creativity PMS support gummies to balance mood swings or their sexual euphora Gummies to help you feel ready for action. Mood has something that fits the moment. Sure, you can find gummies to just get you high pretty much anywhere these days, but Mood's functional Gummies combine premium federally legal THC with targeted botanicals to to help you hit that perfect mood, usually in as little as 15 minutes. And everything ships discreetly right to your door. No dispensary lines, no awkward conversations, and just better days and nights delivered straight to you. Best of all, every Mood product comes with a hundred days satisfaction guarantee. And as I mentioned, listeners get 20% off their first order with code RLRC. So head to mood.com, find the gummy that matches exactly what you're looking for and let Mood help you discover your perfect vibe. And don't forget to use promo code RLRC at checkout to save 20% on your first order. Real life, Real crime The podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Fiscally responsible financial geniuses, monetary magicians. These are the things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to Progressive and save hundreds. Because Progressive offers discounts for paying in full, owning a home and more. Plus, you can count on their great customer service to help you when you need it. So your dollar goes a long way. Visit progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance, Progressive Casualty Insurance company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states or situations. This Black Friday. Get six months free when you move your WordPress sites to Kinsta. Enjoy faster load times, no stress when traffic spikes and hosting you can actually count on. We're G2's number one rated host for WordPress for a reason. Visit kinsta.com bf that's K-I-N-S-T.com bf don't miss out. Offer ends December 2nd.

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[C]

This is intentionally harming this particular child. And that's according to the prosecutor. So both of these fevers harmies have now been booked into the Salt Lake County Jail or being held without bond. The other kids are now in the custody of the state of Utah. What do you think about that?

[A]

I think I'm disgusted.

[C]

Isn't that a really, really good food story the day before Thanksgiving?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Thank you for that. You're welcome. And I do what I can to bring a little joy to everyone's lives. Fuck them motherfuckers, dude. You know what I mean? I would make sure. I would make sure if I was a detective and I would tell you I've done this. I use a swim. I have marched motherfuckers like this in front where and made sure the news was playing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? Make sure the news gets their fucking ass. Their pictures on the most shots on the screen. And I'm one of my marching. Because all the cell blocks, they all. They got nothing else to do but watch TV and then they're like, oh, here he comes now. Yeah, Jackson Overton got him another one. We're going to take care of him, Woody. We're going to take care of him, Woody. Don't worry about it. So the.

[A]

And I mean, what is CPS supposed to do if you have a father that says, hey, I don't want this child anymore? I mean, that's. I mean they're not.

[C]

Yeah, but they're saying they did that. I. I mean, chances that they actually call are seriously none. Because they would be like, oh, well, you don't want that one because she's from your previous marriage. But you got the other two. You. And that's. That there actually is like, I don't know exactly, because I can't remember. I only had it like one of these. There is a criminal thing about not caring for your child. Not child neglect. There's something like you want to give your child up just because you don't give a fuck anymore. Although there's plenty of people that take them. Yeah. There. But the. You. You can't just go in and say, oh, you know what? I want these other tea, but I don't want this one. And it's. The baby's eating his own shit. So with that being said, I am going to. Because it's the holidays and we're being on food and we've been on a row. I'm gonna do one. This is gonna be short. And it has. It's all about family and food. Okay, ready? Yeah. You'll be so thankful when I'm dying.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

He embraced you all. She's like grimacing, waiting, like I'm gonna punch her in the face. So we have a 22 year old who was traveling to see his pregnant girlfriend. That's nice of him, right? Knocked over, gonna go visit.

[A]

We don't actually have a 22 year old traveling to see his girlfriend.

[C]

There was a 22 year old, you're right. But there's a 22 year old who's traveling to see his pregnant girlfriend. Again, very nice of me. Knocks her off and at least he's going to go see her. Right? But he did not make it. And he was brutally. I don't know another adjective he used for this next word. Beheaded. Brutally beheaded. And this is where the, the food comes in. And cannibalize by a man. He believed the expectant father was an alien. Oh, right.

[A]

So you want to taste alien meat.

[C]

So he's going to see his pregnant girlfriend. He meets this dude. This dude thinks he's an alien and he does what he does. So Tim McLean, who's a Canadian carnival worker, was en route to Winnipeg and he was peacefully listening to music at the back of the bus when Vincent, we are gone. Lee gone on board. Fellow passengers noted that Lee seemed restless, but he initially sat quiet at the front of the bus. However, Lee Slio then made the chilling decision to move to the back of the bus, sitting next to or, or daddy or expectant father to be Tim. And Tim was sleeping. At 8.30pm, Lee launched a horrific attack on the US unsuspecting dad to be keeping his ear, tongue and nose in his pocket.

[A]

What.

[C]

The police gathered. Put that on your Thanksgiving menu. The police gather the dismembered remains of Tim's body from the bus and discover the 22 year old's ear, tongue and nose in Lee's pocket. And his heart and eyes were never found. And they suspect that Lee had consumed them on the back of the bus. A young veteran and the bus driver attempted to intervene, but their efforts were futile. The bus driver pulled over and the passengers all got the off as quick as they could. But Lee, he stayed. I mean, he's channel down, right? Lee kept anyone trying to assist him at bay because he had a knife. He was like, I mean, probably didn't speak English, but then he was waving around him and right, well, guess what? They were like, okay, you're in there, but your boy eating his heart and shit and we can't stop you. We're over on the side of the road. I got everybody else. You know what the bus driver did? He locked the bus, Lee in it. So it's like a buffet for Lee. Now he gets a private buffet, literally, right? So Lee unleashed a Savage assault on McLean, repeatedly stabbing the younger man in the neck and chest with a large knife. Like told y', all, the driver stopped the bus and the passengers fled, except for one young veteran who tried to get in to stop it. And that's when he saw all the melee. And in a horrifying turn of events, lee then held McLean's decapitated head up to the window for all to witness and began consuming parts of his flesh.

[A]

This is AI generated. This is fake news. I refuse to believe.

[C]

Listen, I'm not done. Listen, this is Thanksgiving now. The, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police arrived on the scene to find Lee in the blood soaked bus over a span of five hours. Lee tried to flee by breaking a window, but was shot twice with a taser. And finally they were able to cuff him and this according to the BBC, Lee claimed he heard the voice of God instructing him to protect the people from an alien invasion. He said, the voice told me that I was the third story of the Bible, that I was like the second coming of Jesus and I was to save people from a space alien attack. And he said, but you know what, I'm really sorry. Right? Lee obey the voice. And that, he said, instructed him to traverse the country and vanish from his home for days at a time. And this is according to his wife, believing he was under the threat of an alien attack, that's when he started to carry the knife. So Lee stated that the boys commanded him to kill McLean because he was an alien. All right. Back In March of 2009, Lee was deemed not criminally responsible for the murder due to mental illness and was committed to the Selkirk Mental Health Center. Lee still did it. Tim's mother, Carol Daly said whether he was in his right frame of mind or not, he still did that. There was nobody else on that bus holding a knife, slicing up my child. Tim's father said, although we trying to move forward is still an ongoing challenge. I don't believe we will ever fully recover. Well, in 2017, Leave received an absolute discharge and now resides independently in Manitoba, a community in Canada. He no longer faces mandatory annual assessments and intensive supervision. I'm telling this motherfucker's free.

[A]

No.

[C]

Lee has changed his name to Will Lee Baker. And Caroline described ten's son, born five months following her son's death as a gift from a God. She said, I believe Tim sent it to me. But here's the deal. I'm gonna show you sin. I know you're all about inviting people Thanksgiving dinner and this shows up. He is not allowed inside. So the point of that, and here to add this to it, it's time for worldwide crime. Because it was definitely a worldwide crime. And that's for all our Canucks up there. And I may sound stupid, but I'm pretty sure they don't have Thanksgiving, so they don't have to worry.

[A]

They do have a Canadian Thanksgiving, but.

[C]

They don't have an American Thanksgiving. And they don't have to worry about Lee coming to eat at their table. But wait, look, belief comes to eat. He ain't trying to eat your turkey. You smoked injected turkey like I'm doing. He's trying to eat you, y'. All. And when that being said, I have nothing else but tell you all, Happy Thanksgiving. Love and peace and prosperity and thank we're thankful if my city's Sitting here just shaking her head, going, you stooping up.

[A]

I don't even know why I'm here today.

[C]

So just because you're here to look good. There you go. See, I knew. I get that. And then I truly so, very, very thankful for all y'. All. And I love you and sin.

[A]

Very grateful, too. And I hope they have the best day ever.

[C]

Yeah. And just don't let Missive Lee come sit at your table.

[A]

For sure.

[C]

Yeah, but you're right. I don't know why nobody's made that into Maybe that's made up.

[A]

There's no way you can make me believe that.

[C]

It's got, like, four different news agencies. The fact that he's free and they're not even assessing him now. But don't let Mr. Lee in your door. We love y'. All. Thank you for everything. Real life, real crime, true crime. Time for hashtag just for Bradley. Hashtag just for ao. Just miss Barbara. Oh, my God. Let's make this the last Thanksgiving that their families Thanksgiving eve that their families don't have justice. And I'm Woody Overton.

[A]

Cindy Overton.

[C]

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