True Crime Time For September 15, 2025 | Divided We Fall: The Shooting of Charles Kirk

Summary

Real Life Real Crime — True Crime Time For September 15, 2025

Episode Title: Divided We Fall: The Shooting of Charles Kirk
Hosts: Woody Overton & Cindy Overton
Release Date: September 15, 2025

Overview of the Episode

In this emotionally raw episode, Woody and Cindy Overton address the recent and highly publicized assassination of Charles Kirk, a political activist and founder of a major social movement. The hosts delve into the circumstances of Kirk's murder at a rally, the subsequent media firestorm, and the dangerous growth of political hatred and division in modern America. Throughout, Woody and Cindy emphasize the importance of free speech, mutual respect, and the urgent need for unity amidst escalating national tensions. This episode departs from their typical case deep-dives to offer heartfelt commentary on current events, violence, and the corrosive effects of division.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Immediate Reactions to Charles Kirk’s Shooting

• Discovery of the Event
  • Woody recounts hearing about the shooting first through his investigative producer, Leah Murray. Initially unfamiliar with Charles Kirk, Woody was shocked by the online reaction and growing celebration over Kirk's death.

    “I had no idea who Charles Kirk was. None. Not an inkling. Never heard the name before. ... But when people start espousing or having celebrations because somebody got executed… what the fuck?" — Woody (04:28)

• Kirk's Background
  • Woody summarizes Kirk as a young (31-year-old) activist who founded a movement, standing up for his beliefs—emphasizing that, regardless of his views, he was exercising his American rights.

2. Free Speech and the Dangers of Political Violence

• Comparison to Extremes
  • Woody emphasizes that Kirk wasn’t inciting violence or advocating harm—his killing was for his speech, not criminal acts.
  • The hosts distinguish the right to protest or disagree from the act of celebrating political murder—no matter who the target is.

    “We’re not talking about fucking H. Hitler… We’re talking about a dude that simply founded a movement because people started following what he was saying." — Woody (07:11)

• Hypocrisy and Political Hatred
  • Woody and Cindy discuss how people of differing ideologies—some of whom espouse hateful rhetoric—do not deserve violence or death. He shares his own distaste for certain politicians, but never, at any point, does he condone violence:

    “I never thought about killing her.” — Woody, about a politician he personally dislikes (08:39)

3. Social and Media Aftermath

• Celebration of Violence Online
  • Woody expresses deep concern over widespread online celebrations and how both everyday people and public figures are participating, stoking division.
    • Example: He shares the case of a Southern University law professor who wished death upon Kirk. This led to her suspension and ongoing calls for her firing.

    “Our attorney, Tommy… Southern University law professor Kelly Carmina was suspended Friday over comments she made on social media in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death.” — Woody (11:37)

• Legal and Institutional Response
  • Legal experts cited in local news argue that free speech does not mean freedom from consequences, especially when public figures incite or celebrate violence (12:38).

4. Personal Impact and Fear for the Future

• Increasing Divisiveness
  • Woody shares his deepest worry: that the cycle of violence, celebration, and retaliation could escalate into broader conflict.

    “My biggest fear is… I’ve never seen the hatred from both sides like I’m seeing it now.” — Woody (10:19)

  • He’s dismayed by the monetization of tragedy and the persistence of conspiracy theories that perpetuate tension and hate.
• On Being a Public Figure
  • Woody relates the assassination to his own public life—receiving death threats and fearing for copycat crimes. The discussion is deeply personal, exposing anxiety about the safety of all public voices (16:00–17:00).

5. Reflection on Humanity and Social Values

• Respecting Differences
  • The Overtons stress the value of mutual respect, even among those with profoundly different beliefs. Woody references his own friendships and collaborations with people of different political and religious views, advocating for civil discourse over hatred.

    “Tommy’s got totally different political views than we have… And you know what? I don’t care. And he doesn’t care. Absolute mutual respect. Why shouldn’t it be.” — Woody (14:16)

• Lessons From Family
  • Woody shares memories of his late father, who treated everyone equally regardless of their background or beliefs—an example he encourages listeners to follow (28:16–29:35).
• Cindy’s Perspective
  • Cindy describes being open to hearing people with opposing views, referencing how a conversation with their attorney Tommy shifted her thinking. She recounts a story of a Kirk critic who, after genuinely listening to him, found meaningful change in her life (27:26, 37:52).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Right to Free Speech vs. Violence:

  “If you speak out, if you put yourself... Look, we're in the public spotlight... I don't talk about the politics and religion just because of this kind of shit... Not because I'm afraid of it. Because we're here to talk about true crime. This is not a new show or... jumping on the bandwagon like everybody in the world is doing now.” — Woody (14:34)

• On Social Media Hatred:

  “You got both sides of the extreme and... it's bullshit. I mean, it's just bullshit and it should not happen.” — Woody (09:23)

• On Empathy and Learning From Others:

  “But just having that, learning his perspective, I was like, oh, that's a really cool… perspective.” — Cindy (27:48)

• Call for Unity:

  “All we're doing is killing each other… This is a whole lot more divisive than a color. Leave it alone. It doesn't work. Killing people doesn't work.” — Woody (33:40)

• On Grief and Worry:

  “I was waiting on whatever the next big story was going to be… this isn’t about baby oil and... prostitutes. It’s about Christianity and evil... if you believe that someone deserves to be murdered, gunned down publicly—” — Woody (37:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:06] — Initial discussion of the shooting and Woody’s unfamiliarity with Kirk
• [06:59] — The importance of free speech, and why violence isn’t justified for political beliefs
• [11:37] — Social fallout: Law school professor’s suspension for wishing death on Kirk
• [14:16] — On respecting people with opposing views and friendship despite political/religious differences
• [16:00] — Relating Kirk’s assassination to the threats faced by public figures
• [18:58] — Concerns over incitement, copycat crimes, and further division
• [26:00] — Cindy recounts an atheist whose views were changed by listening to Kirk
• [28:16] — Woody shares lessons from his father about treating everyone equally
• [33:40] — Draws parallels to historic gang violence (Bloods and Crips) and the cycle of retaliation
• [35:42] — Woody’s vow not to further cover the “bandwagon” unless more violence occurs
• [36:05] — Discussion on the impossibility of stopping the cycle, and the risk to future generations
• [37:52] — Cindy shares a TikTok anecdote about a critic-turned-supporter of Kirk
• [41:09] — Woody’s final message: killing for beliefs is always wrong—stop the hatred

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Closing Reflections

Embodying the raw, unscripted spirit of Real Life Real Crime, Woody and Cindy Overton deliver a passionate, deeply personal plea for unity in the wake of Charles Kirk’s assassination. Eschewing sensationalism and partisan rhetoric, they underscore the American values of free speech and mutual respect, offering stark warnings about the dangers of unchecked hatred.

Final thought:

“When you kill someone just because they believe different than you, then you really are the one that's fucked up… Just stop it. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Both sides.” — Woody (41:40)

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For Listeners Seeking More

This episode serves as both a true crime commentary and a call to national reflection. For those invested in the intersection of crime, media, and American identity, it is a powerful, necessary listen—one that resonates beyond the case at hand.

Transcript

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[Woody Overton]

Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of True Crime time for Monday, September 15, 2025. And I'm Woody Overtone.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

And wow, September's half gone. Yeah. And everything. My favorite time of the year is approaching. But the. This is not a good episode. Definitely, you know, but we're not jump on the bandwagon type people or whatever. But the. I'll tell you how I got started from me and then, I mean, y', all, this is raw and unscripted. We don't have a new story. We're gonna say new story in front of us or anything else. But the. I mean, it's nothing funny about it, that's for sure. So the other day, I think we were recording. Yeah, we were recording, and Leah Murray, who's our investigative producer, started blowing me up about somebody being shot. And then I was like. Then it was. It came. She came back, she said, it's definitely Charles Kirk. And, well, let me tell you all this. I don't watch the news. I could not tell you the last time I watched the news. Now I do once a day before I record. I'll get on the, Like, Fox News or something. Not on tv, but on the app and just to see, you know, if there's any major headlines that I'm missing. And so I had no idea who Charles Kirk was. None. Not. Not an inkling. Never heard the name before. Nothing. So I didn't really pay attention to them thinking somebody else got shot, the statistics and what have you. Now, one thing I do do, like, 12 hours a day is social media. And the. On Facebook, we had like, five different Facebook pages. Five or six. And I keep seeing, you know, you. You see about this young man being shot or executed and. But I really didn't. Wasn't reading into it. I knew he was at a rally and. And what have you. And then there was a lot of posts, and I'm like, another tragedy, right? But I wasn't digging into it. I'm going through. Working on Hashtag just for Bagler, hashtag just for AO, Ms. Ballroom and Halo's case. But the. Then I start seeing people making posts like, well, if you're celebrating them killing Charles Kirk, then unfriend me now. And I'm like, what the fuck? And, you know, what's going on here? And then so I look it up and I not on Facebook and AI there or whatever you call it. Who is Charles Kurt? Okay. He's 31 years old, I think founder of this movement from the time he was whatever age. So he's. He's a dude just standing up for what he believes in. Right. And as the. I mean doesn't make it matter to me one way or another. I mean I'm not. Was obviously I wasn't a follower of him. That in the. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. But when, when people start espousing or having celebrations because somebody got executed. Not to mouth somebody my death penalty map here. They get the people that get executed because they don't deserve to breathe because they rape and murder and kidnap and torture people and shell. You know, they get the ultimate punishment. This young man was. He got executed. Murdered. Shot at least twice, I think. Whatever. He got murdered because he's an American in using his, his right to speech.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And whatever his speech may have been. They say if you're celebrating anyone getting murdered because of their speech. Now we're not talking about fucking H. Hitler. We're not talking about the, the a person that's saying, you know, I'm gonna commit genocide and kill 6 million Jews and, and, and whatever. We're not talking about someone who directed a team of people to hijack planes and fly them into the World Trade center in the Pentagon. And God knows where else they would have done if it's a. They hadn't taken the flight down in Pennsylvania or wherever it was. The. We're not talking about some bin Laden.

[Cindy Overton]

No.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. This is a dude that simply founded a movement because people started following what he was saying. Now if he's. If he's saying, you know, guns are good, then that's what he believes. His right is American. They got that one Republican congresswoman, I believe, from New York City. And I'll say this. I can't stand this woman. I mean every time I see something on the national news page or whatever, I'm like, what's this doing now? And then she's saying all kinds of foul stuff and they've buster on all these non truths like she's, she's poor and from the hood. They've found out she's actually from a rich neighborhood, whatever. And. But she's always got nasty, nasty stuff to say.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And it's against, you know, whatever. It doesn't matter. But you know what you know what? I. I never thought about killing her.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. The. The sometimes, you know, the congresswoman from Think Minnesota who is a Muslim and, and whatever. Who gives a. She says all this bad and it may. I'm sure it's great. Some people she's saying for. But me personally, I find some of the things she said offensive. But you know what? I first of all never talk about on the show and I don't do politics. But the. The. It's America. Even though she's here, evidently she's a foreign national from wherever who came over. I don't know how the. That works. You elect a congresswoman, but you say all this bad shit. And, and, but you know what? It's America.

[Cindy Overton]

It's what we're founded on.

[Woody Overton]

And it. So the. There's both sides of the scale in people getting killed for speaking what they believe in, whether it's Jesus Christ or look the other way. If it's hate crimes towards Muslim shit, I'm not for that either. People getting killed at mosque. Right. So you got both sides of the extreme in the. It's bullshit. I mean it's just bullshit and it should not happen.

[Cindy Overton]

No.

[Woody Overton]

And then now unfortunately wasn't. It's horrible that it happened. You know, it leaves behind a wife and you know, the kids and. And all that stuff. But the. What's. What's so horrible about the situation. We never say the shooter's name after once. Right. In the end. Stuff like that. But it. My biggest fear is the. Not only the copycat killers this time. My biggest fear is what I. I digress and should was talking about in the beginning is I've never seen the hatred from both sides like I'm seeing it now. I know people cheering that this got. Pardon you. That this guy got executed. And then all these companies, from the NFL to the big companies had. Southern Law School here in Baton Rouge just fired a professor because she got online. It was cheering. No, no. Did you hear about this? I sent it to Tommy. Tommy's. Y'. All Tommy that I talked about in the last several episodes. I will read this. Tommy is our attorney. He's also a law professor at Southern University where my aunt was a law professor for, I don't know, 30 plus years. Southern University law professor Kelly Carmina was suspended Friday over comments she made on social media in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death. And that's the. The. I mean, you know what? I just want to read the one. Give me one second. Just. This is just to show an extreme you don't have to boom that out. Good evening to you friends on this Friday. I'm Greg Meriwether. We're going to start with our WAFBI team. Southern University suspends a law school professor today, and they're moving to fire her over comments she's accused of making on social media in the wake of activist Charlie Kirk' assassination. In a post shared with WAFB, the professor allegedly wrote, I will 1000% wish death on people like him. Our chief investigator, Chris Nakamoto, broke the story earlier today. He's now here with the ongoing fallout from her comments. Hey, Chris. Hey.

[Chris Nakamoto]

Good evening, Greg. The post quickly going viral with many people wondering why she's not being protected for her free speech. Legal experts say free speech does not mean free of consequences in this situation.

[Woody Overton]

If it's strictly political, that's one thing. If it is suggesting violence, that's a different story.

[Chris Nakamoto]

As law school professor Page says she teaches criminal litigation and criminal defense. In a social media post shared with us, she allegedly called Kirk pure evil and she wishes death on people like him. Southern University board chair Tony Clayton said, speech like that won't be tolerated, adding, quote, she participated in conduct that was prejudicial to the university. The school will investigate this matter to finalize terminating her from the university. Attorney Clayton going further, saying, quote, distasteful statements should not be tolerated, particularly as it relates to death. That is tantamount to participating in inciting violence and spewing hate. That conduct will not be tolerated at Southern University, period. Attorney General Liz Merle also reacted, writing that, quote, political violence has no place in a democratic society. The comments posted by this individual were abhorrent. This individual has a constitutional right to have opinions and social media amplifies them, but she does not have a right to teach at a public law school. We did reach out to law professor Kelly Carmina for a comment, but we never heard back for the WABI team.

[Woody Overton]

So you go. I mean, and let me tell you about that. Okay. So my aunt was the longest running professor at that law school. My mama's sister. And. And. And since then, she died some years back. But the. Now our attorney, Tommy, Love him like my brother.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

And just the best dude in the world. Right. And the best attorney and everything else. Tommy's got totally different political views than we have. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Totally different political and religious beliefs and everything else. And you know what? I don't care.

[Cindy Overton]

And he doesn't care.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, no, but he doesn't care. Absolute mutual respect. Why shouldn't it be. I don't care what you do or don't do. Don't kill me and I won't kill you. Exactly. You know, if you, if you speak out, if you put yourself. Look, we're in the public spotlight in general. I don't talk about the politics and religion just because of this kind of shit. Right. And not because I'm afraid of it. Because we're here to talk about true crime. Not. This is not a new show. Or, or, you know, we're jumping on the bandwagon like everybody in the world is doing now. Everybody wants to do something about Charlie. Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk. And. And you know what? That's shameful to you, trying to make a buck off of this guy's assassination.

[Cindy Overton]

No, this has hit you hard. You're coming from a very emotional. I just need the listeners to know you, you, you're not going to express it because this is not scripted at all. But this. I know, but like, I have no idea what words are fixing to come out of my mouth. But you have not been able to get this off of your mind. This, this kid that's just. And he is a kid, he's 31. He is a man expressing his views got him killed. And that has hit you very hard. Yeah, well, that's why we're talking.

[Woody Overton]

It got him butchered in public.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

In front of me, speaking at a live event. How many live events have I spoke at?

[Cindy Overton]

I know.

[Woody Overton]

And the. All over the country.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And the, I mean, certainly some of my shit is controversial, but the, you know, people don't go listen to the show, live shows, if you don't want to hear Woody Overton speak. And it's, you know.

[Cindy Overton]

How many death threats have you gotten to?

[Woody Overton]

Well, too many to back to my thought. And the reason it's been on my head slowly. And sometimes, you know, this, and I'll get a hold of something and. And I have to think about it and think about it and think about it, and when I can't stop thinking about it, that's my ocd. But I'm. What I'm afraid of in this case is the coat hanger ons that are going to ride this out for every penny they can get out of it. Because when you do that, it keeps the divisiveness and the hate going on, you know, honor this. This dude, you know, if you, if you so choose to, you know, do his wake and funeral, do whatever. I, I think they were talking about NFL games that, you know, they're gonna Get a moment of prayer. But you know what? That's great. The, the what, what he stood for is, is that's his right. And, and I'm telling you, I swear to you, if the name was I do Jabbar Muhammad and they got executed speaking at a public rally for speaking on Islam, I would be just as pissed off. Even though people were like, oh no, that's not true because you never say anything. We know that this reason I'm talking about it and I'm sure we will cover the story. But the reason I'm talking about it is because all the hatred that is coming out, the people like this law professor cheering them on, 1 million percent wish him death. And you can't, that's, you can't do that. I know the, the, the. I mean it's, you could say I'm 1 million percent against his views on Christianity and gun control, whatever you want to say. But you, I wish death upon you that you can't, you can't do that. And, but the problem is it's all these people. Let's just say it doesn't matter what the economics, social status is or whatever. The only ones that are getting, not only ones, but most of the ones that are getting reported on are these rich and famous people or these people that are high up in these billion dollar organizations and they're getting fired because they're doing all the same shit. I'm glad they put two bullets in him or however it was and da da da, da da. And. But then I see regular Joe's on all my social media that are, that are cheering this team getting executed.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Fucking get it. And you do that and then you got to decide that are following this young man or we're following him and all it does is get them up in arms.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And where does it stop civil war.

[Cindy Overton]

I know. And then it came at the brink. Came on the. Basically the day before, if I'm not mistaken, before 9 11. And we're no better off now than we were.

[Woody Overton]

I don't know. I mean, you know, I'm not going to get into all the bullshit that I've read. Like, you know what the. Dude, I can't. It's this. You know I hated P. Diddy, right? Because it was just. But this is a whole different kind of hate on people that are going to ride this because now this, the difference between this and PD is conspiracy. They gonna, you know, like the grassy knoll with candidate. There had to be more than one shooter. There had to be this they had to be that. And how did he get the gun in? And, and what about the inscriptions on the bullets? And, and his lover was going through the transgender process. And you know, the government involved, you're gonna get it and it's going to go on and on and on and on. And let me tell y' all something. I don't care who you believe in, but the. Even if you don't believe there's a higher power, you have to at least acknowledge the fact that there is good and evil in the world. Okay? And so when we're sitting here talking about this, when we're moving, when we're in this, in this, all this hatred on both sides, not. Well, whatever, all this hatred and then you got the people who are feeding the beast with the conspiracy theories and shit that don't know a thing thing about sniper and being a sniper or, you know, whatever that the it and you feed this beast and it's going to continue. Now guess what? That's human nature, the drama part, right? I mean, it's just there. And all this, especially now with keyboard warriors and all this. These people going back and forth and spouse hate on each other and, and you, and you. And I'm glad he's dead. But you, your people, whatever. I mean, when you're doing that, whether you believe in Jesus or Muhammad or just good, right? There's no good. There's none of that in that. And those people, even if you just believe it's good in the world.

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[Woody Overton]

I believe in Jesus Christ. And I believe Jesus is trying to rain down blessings upon me, such as I won't be able to count them. But every time I would get mad about something, every time, it could be the stupidest thing, you and I could have an argument. Guess what? There's no Jesus in that. And when we have this dumbass argument about whatever, then I'm holding an umbrella over my head and Jesus trying to pour down those blessings. That negativity is the umbrella and the blessings are bouncing off and there's no goodness in it. And all it is is shit. And this is shit. And you won't, mark my words, it's shit. It's going to get shittier. I'm not trying to scare y'. All. I'm telling y' all what's coming. And now me and you. Me as a father, now A grandfather and a son, to an elderly mother and friend and to many. And. And. And, you know, we had so many people that we love, and. And I just wonder what's going to happen.

[Cindy Overton]

I know.

[Woody Overton]

Because of this one. I mean, it's. You know, this is different.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, I had never heard of him either. I mean, I. I wish that I had before, but I. I have watched a few videos related to him now, and there was an atheist doing a video, and he said, I'm. And I don't believe in God, but I believed in every word that he said. I would just take out the word God or believer. Like, yeah, I'm an atheist, but I know there's a higher being or force against force. Again, we spoke a different language, but if you thought about every word that he said, it was all positive. And he changed my views on so many things because I was open to receiving them.

[Woody Overton]

Evidently, I was not supposed to ever hear him, because to this day, even right now, at this point, I couldn't tell you what his voice sounds like.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

I've never listened to a word the man said.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And I'm just saying, whatever the words he said, I mean, I read a couple of things, but I didn't read a lot. But whatever the words he said, he did not deserve to have bullets pumped into him in front of a crowd. It wouldn't make a shit if he was up there talking about. What's that? Essential. Yeah, essential oils. He's doing a rally on essential oils and somebody shot him. Right. It doesn't matter why they killed him. I mean, it matters. What I'm saying is they executed him for believing what he believes.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

You wouldn't want, like, that law professor at Southern. You wouldn't want them turn around and execute you for believing that. That this guy is wrong.

[Cindy Overton]

Exactly.

[Woody Overton]

And it's. It's coming. It's gonna be a show.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And I hate it. And I wish everybody would just say prayers and. And come to peace and respect each other's differences. You know, don't judge, don't judge, don't hate.

[Cindy Overton]

And I love to hear people's differences. And when you started talking about Tommy, I remember us sitting down to eat dinner in Baton Rouge with Tommy before a legal thing that we had. We had different thoughts and processes on all of the thought processes on so many different.

[Woody Overton]

Everything from who's getting elected to whatever.

[Cindy Overton]

But what kind of meat you like.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Cindy Overton]

But just having that, learning his perspective, I was like, oh, that's a really cool. Like, you know, it was not. It was like, that's a really cool perspective.

[Woody Overton]

But you would never know because you, you like each other so much and then you find out their opinions and stuff, like their beliefs and whatever. Totally. Maybe totally opposite from, from yours or different perspectives and you're like, this is cool. Anyway.

[Cindy Overton]

But the end goal was still the same.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're saying on the, on the same board. I mean, I, like, I liked him before I knew that he didn't like this. Right. But my dad just been dead, I guess almost five months now, five months next week. And my daddy was a master, absolute master of loving everyone. And then I'm gonna tell you something. My dad was a hard ass and he was hard on us growing up. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the. I watched him my entire life treat, whether they say the janitor, like the, the CEO.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

You would never know. And the, the. From the poorest of the poor person to the riches of the rich, he treated everybody the same.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

With respect and dignity. Okay. That's what you think. Cool. Whatever. Right. Doesn't affect me.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm still going to defend you or whatever.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, absolutely. How many people you think he Defended in his 48 years as a trial lawyer that, you know, whether. Whether he disliked him or not, I mean, he was there to do the job or do what he did, but he just treated everybody the same.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. It doesn't matter where you come from, how much money you got or what religion you are, or if you believe in guns or don't believe in guns or, or whatever. As long as you're not killing people and flying planes in the towers and, you know, trying to commit genocide. Leave them alone. Let them do their. All you're doing. And, and all these people, like you just said, all these people now are going to, to listen to Charlie Kirk. And now they go, they got a whole new movement. But what's that do on the other side? They're going to get a whole new movement and at some point it's going to come to a head. Stop it, people. Leave it alone. Let it be. You know, this is America. There's so many hundreds of thousands, not millions of people who have died for us in battle or on the job or whatever to keep you free so you can speak free. So I can be sitting behind this microphone doing what I'm doing so you could speak free, live free, have the choice to be straight or gay or, or whatever, be against guns or against Jesus or for Muhammad or, you know, whatever the fuck. It doesn't. This is America.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, it's America. When I grew up, there was no doubt right then in the. In the. In the 80s and Ronald Reagan was playing. I hate to make this all political, but it was. It was just no doubt. How the. Have we got to this point?

[Cindy Overton]

I know.

[Woody Overton]

You know, and last year, it was Trump that got. Or the year forward, he got shot at a public rally just because he was running for president. Yeah. Whether you hate him. If you hate him, go hold your own rally saying that you hate him. Don't climb on top of a roof and shoot the man.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

It's just wrong. It's. It's just wrong. Charlie Kirk is. Is. You know, and I haven't watched it. The. I don't like to watch. I have PTSD about two things. Hurricane Katrina in the aftermath, because it was like the worst 30 days of my life. And I have it about 9, 11. I cannot. What to this day, I can deal with all the dead bodies, all the dead babies, blood, whatever it may be. The most horrible shit does not faze me. But I can't watch a documentary or anything about that. Those two things in the. The. I do not need the. I think somebody tried to send me the video on Charles Kirk or the sheeting or whatever in. I don't want to watch it.

[Cindy Overton]

No.

[Woody Overton]

Because that's a moment in my life I'm never going to be able to get back. It's a moment. It's going to make me be more fired up. It's a moment that is senseless and there's no love in it and nothing but pure hatred. And I mean that. If everybody would just stop. Don't do it. Bury him. Put in a piece and agree. You know, back in the early 90s, the Bloods and the Crips, all right, they became famous. They rose power from out in California and went all through the United States of America. Even our local areas had them, right? And it was all because of crack cocaine. And they. This bro spider webbed out to the United States and rose to power and all that. But they would kill each other on site. If you had red on or you had blue on you, it was your job to kill that motherfucker, period. And then they were killing hundreds a day. At a certain point, they were like, hold on. This ain't really working for us.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

All we're doing is killing each other.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Let's come together and have some unity. And we're doing the Same shit. And really, it went on for all those years. And then thousands and thousands of people, young men mostly, got murdered by each other for nothing. Nothing but for a color. And. And this is. This is a whole lot more divisive than a color. You know, leave it alone. It doesn't work. Killing people doesn't work. And then that's why we never continue to say shooters names and all that, because we don't want to put it in somebody else's head. You know, we don't want to keep perpetuating the hatred and the violence and. But unfortunately, this is really. Unfortunately, this is the tip of the iceberg. And I'm just telling you whether they're going to kill more people at his funeral or whatever something body's gonna use this at. On this guy's side to go and kill somebody on the other side. And everybody. These media sources are perpetuating these, you know, oh, it's a government deal, and, you know, the government had it done. And da, da, da, da.

[Cindy Overton]

Now, I saw a post. I have a saw post where it's a screenshot right before he got shot. And there's a guy standing. If you're looking at him, the guy standing to his left, and apparently he's doing some hand signal. Like, I mean, the conspiracy started.

[Woody Overton]

It's going to be that way. And unfortunately, these people are making a living off of it.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And tell you this. After today, y', all, you'll never hear me talk about it again. And unless there's more violence, which I fully expect, the. I just wanted to get this off my chest. Move back to true crime time. Four stories tomorrow.

[Cindy Overton]

So how do we. I mean, I know how. But how do we as a nation get so. Just come together? The Beatles songs keep coming through my head, you know, like, come together. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just so sad. How do we do that? How do you stop one side from inciting hatred on another with these keyboard warriors?

[Woody Overton]

Cindy, if I had any inkling or idea, we'd have done it already. I know there is no way to stop it the way the. The. Because people are greedy, people are stupid. Some people are stupid, and I know you hate that word. Some people just stupid. Like this person that did the killing and the people that are going to perpetuate these conspiracy theories and all this stuff, because that's what they do. And. And. But there's no stopping it. And that's what scares me. For our grandbaby, our kids and what have you. That's what scares me for all the lifers out there. And look, I mean, I guarantee you the lifers are the most diverse group in the world. We got every belief and everywhere. And I love them all. Yeah. Like my daddy taught me. Love everybody. Right? That way, you know, come up, kick me in the balls. I'm not gonna love you. I'm punching in the mouth, right? Or you come up and rob me. I'm gonna shoot you. I'm talking about love people, too. They give you a reason not to.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. And the. It just. It's just sad. The. The. I was waiting on whatever the next big story was going to be. And, you know, this isn't about baby oil and. And prostitutes. It's about Christianity and evil. That whatever you believe in, if you believe that someone deserves to be murdered, gunned down publicly.

[Cindy Overton]

So. I know.

[Woody Overton]

I just. I don't get it.

[Cindy Overton]

I saw a TikTok of a woman talking about she had such different views than Charlie Kirk. About a couple years ago, she started watching him, and she said he changed her life completely. She said after just a few months of listening to him, she said, I don't know why I continued to listen to him because I didn't believe a word that he said. And I would get so worked up and get so mad listening to what he said. But then she said, what in me is making me have this reaction? I've got to slow my role and I've got to really listen to the words because obviously he's saying something that's affecting me, and it's probably because I don't want to agree with what he has to say. And she said, now, she said, at the time, I was basically homeless, and now I have. I'm in a home, I'm secure, I have a job, I'm in a good relationship. And it's all because I actually listened to what he had to say and he changed my views.

[Woody Overton]

I don't know anything about what the dude said. I just know he got murdered because he started a movement. And in America, you should be able to start movements. I started hashtag just for Bradley. Well, yeah, actually, I did put the hashtag just for Bradley. Hashtag just for aa. I don't deserve to be murdered for it. All right? And that's a movement. And we did hashtag just recording Coco. Hashtag justice for Mary Pouchet. Those are movements, right? And this dude started his own thing, and he. He was being an American, and it doesn't matter what side of the aisle you're on. I don't care. The. The. It's not about. Obviously they killed him because of what he says, and I don't know what he says, but obviously they killed him for that. And the. All these people saying yay on murder and all that. I mean, what the. I got nothing else to say about it. I'm done. That's it. There's nothing to say that. Stop it, people. Just stop it. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Both sides. Anybody that kills somebody because they believe in whatever and it's not just, yeah, I don't know what the dude talked about because I don't listen to that. And. But I know he didn't deserve to be murdered no more than if this. It was somebody, some alien or whatever. You know, that was all these different things that I don't even know all these titles they have anymore. Right? The. The. Whatever. That's their. It's their right. Don't me. You know what I mean? If you don't like what Woody Overton. Sam, turn the microphone off. Yeah, right. Go on about your day. Let's get some love. You got anything else?

[Cindy Overton]

Nope.

[Woody Overton]

I love and appreciate each and every one of y'. All. I really, really do. We do. And I thank you for liking and listening and sharing and it's. It's just a tragedy that we have to get on here and do this, but that. Not doing it for ratings, not doing it for whatever. I'm just doing it because it's been on my heart these last couple days. And. And I just told sin this morning. We were sitting there, I said, you know, I just got. Let's just go do this. And I didn't read all the articles and all the stuff on or, you know, because I didn't. And killing's bad no matter what reason you do it for. When you kill someone just because they believe different than you, then you really are the one that's up. Doesn't matter what side of the alley from love and appreciate each and every one of y'. All. Y' all be safe. When I say peace, I mean it. And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

You host a true crime. Time for this Monday. We'll holler y' all later. Peace.

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