David Hogg (7:58)

I know. I watch your show. I'm glad to love the collective age by a few decades.

Bill Maher (8:02)

Yeah, well. Well, we'd have on more people your age, but they're too fucking stupid. But. But not you. But that's why, you know, this is a show for people your age. Don't watch this show, Jenny.

David Hogg (8:17)

I watch it.

Bill Maher (8:18)

I know you do. Well, no, I mean the smartest. Some percent of any generation is going to be very smart and that's why you're here. And not the hock to a girl. Okay. Not that she's a bad person. She's a lovely person. So where's the youth on Kamala? Kamala, Just give us the skinny on that.

David Hogg (8:38)

I mean, frankly, this, the past few election cycles have been driven by voting against somebody we know doesn't represent us and hasn't for a long time. Donald Trump. But frankly, I'm getting more and more tired obviously of people just voting against something. And I think everybody can relate to that regardless of where they are on the political spectrum. But I think, thankfully, especially since we've seen her step up in her role as the new nominee, we've seen her speak a lot more, we've seen her talk a lot more in general. And I think part of that is because she, you know, was the vice president and there's always a concern that, well, what if the vice president overshadows the president? Right. And once that switch was made with her becoming the nominee, young people have become a lot more excited about her and they're refreshed to see somebody who's not nearly 80 years old, frankly, running for president.

Bill Maher (9:27)

But it does sound ageist, just to put it on. I mean, that's a prejudice, you know, I mean, there are people who are 80 who actually could be president and have been in other countries.

David Hogg (9:40)

Absolutely. And I think it's important that we have a diversity of ages and perspectives in our government. It's just right now we have far too few young people that are there making. You know, people that are that old shouldn't be universally making decisions for that. They're not going to live to see the consequences of a lot of. I want to be clear. I want to be clear. This is not to say that our government should be all 25 year olds. I don't want that to be clear. Right. I want there to be a good diversity of opinion and Experiences there, such as people like Congressman Maxwell Frost, who even as a freshman member of Congress, when I was helping him run for office, when he became a freshman member of Congress, he couldn't even get housing because his credit was so bad from how much it costs to run for office. It's inaccessible. And it's so much harder now for young people to get elected. Right. FDR was 29 when he was first elected to the New York State Senate, Joe Biden was 29 when he was first elected to the U.S. senate, and LBJ was 28. So I know there's a lot of prejudice around young people, and it's understandable. We're still figuring things out, but we do tend to figure it out and know how to get things done, as those presidents did.

Bill Maher (10:44)

Well, you mentioned three, but let's move on. So, as somebody who we came to know from the horrible Parkland shooting, what did you think when Kamala said she has a Glock and that if someone burst into her house, she'd shoot them?

David Hogg (11:01)

Yeah. Well, look, I've never said that. I'm completely against any form of gun ownership.

Bill Maher (11:05)

No, you haven't.

David Hogg (11:06)

In fact, I've been shooting guns since I was in fourth grade. My dad was an FBI agent. Most of the many members of my family were veterans. And, you know, I'm really happy to be on this show because I know you have a very bipartisan audience as well. And too often we get siloed. Right. Where we really have a conversation.

Bill Maher (11:20)

Exactly.

David Hogg (11:20)

And for that same reason, when I was in college, I didn't go to college just to talk to people who agreed with me constantly, as easy as that would have been in Cambridge, Massachusetts, obviously a liberal bubble within a bubble within a bubble. So I actually joined. I joined the shooting club when I.

Bill Maher (11:34)

Was in college because Harvard has a shooting club.

David Hogg (11:37)

It does. It's very small, as you can imagine. And I'll tell you this much, when we went in a competition against West Point, we thankfully lost horribly. I'd be very concerned if that was not the case. But in those conversations, I've still been able to find common sense where even if the coach of the team, for example, who came over to me one time in a competition, he didn't coach the team very much, so he didn't know that I was on the team. I had a beard, too. I looked a bit like a Republican as well. And in the middle of this competition, he comes over to me and says, what's your name? And I say, david. And he says, david, what? I Say, and he's holding up my Wikipedia page on his phone and I say, david Hawk. And he's like, well, you're here to take my guns and, you know, the usual thing, right? And I say, and mind you, I have a 12 gauge shotgun cracked over my shoulder. When he's saying this to me, I say, look, I'm here for the shooting competition. And I'm also here because you probably have some assumptions about me that are not entirely accurate, and I might even have some about you that are not entirely accurate. And I know that you may not agree with banning a gun like the AR15, but you probably do agree with more mental health funding for the two thirds of gun deaths in this country that are suicides, right? And he says, yes, of course. And I said, well, great, we could either debate this or you could help me become a better shot. What do you want to do? And then I went and nailed all the clay pigeons.

Bill Maher (12:52)

And I mean, my impression of Harvard, you know, for a while, but certainly since October 7th of last year, was that it's a place where a lot of people go to get stupid. I know there's obviously a lot of brilliant people there, but it is ideologically captured. And I mean, this week, the Israelis finally got Sinmar, the head of Hamas. I know you're not at Harvard anymore, but would this be a day of mourning for people you knew there? Or what would. What do you think the reaction is of the people you know?

David Hogg (13:32)

I think the reaction, for the most part, for pretty much everybody I know, is thankful that he is dead, ultimately, because you're not going to hear in the news, Bill, about the people that are sane a lot of the time. That's just not how the media works. You're going to hear about the craziest people that are out there a lot of the time. But what I do know that happens on our college campuses is I'm glad this conversation is happening in the first place between these students. I'm not saying that I agree with all of them. I think October 7th was awful. But simultaneously, I think what's happening every day to Palestinian civilians is unacceptable at the same time. And it's possible, it's possible to hold both those things true.

Bill Maher (14:07)

Right, but what are you talking about before the war? What was happening to Palestinians before the war? Is that what you're talking about? No, like their everyday life before the war.

David Hogg (14:16)

I'm talking about the response that has happened since October 7, in particular, that we've all seen.

Bill Maher (14:20)

So do you believe Israel has a right to be a state.

David Hogg (14:23)

Absolutely. I believe in a two state solution. But what I don't believe is productive, what I don't believe is productive, Bill, is when we continuously focus on what these students that are still trying to figure out who the hell they even are a lot of the time, and talking about that instead of the people that are actually responsible for these atrocities continuing, whether that is us not having a two state solution or our leaders that fail to meet this moment over and over. Because I get it though, like, I don't necessarily agree with everything every young person says. Obviously there's a reason I'm on the show right now. But I do agree that we need to have a conversation about this and make progress. And even though these young people, a lot of the time they can say stupid things that I do not agree with, ultimately I'm glad that my generation knows that. What the current course that we've been on, of just enabling the government of Ben gvir, the government of Netanyahu, that was being protested by the Israeli people leading up to October 7th, just acting.

Bill Maher (15:21)

Like, well, they're not against, they're not against his policy of, of prosecuting this war to the end. So that's wrong. They were against certain other things he did. And as a politician, that's a whole different discussion. But as far as what he's doing now in finishing a war that he didn't start, if you concede that Israel does have a right to exist and two state solution. You mentioned Israel wanted a two state solution from the beginning. They gave Gaza back. It wasn't theirs, they weren't running it. What did they do when they had their own state? Gaza was a Palestinian state, they just used it to attack Israel. That's this, that's why it's so frustrating when people say, well, let's just have a ceasefire. The best time ever to ever have a ceasefire is right after Israel gets attacked.

David Hogg (16:06)

Well, I think what's important to realize too, frankly, Bill, what concerns me is, you know, Sinwar is dead. Thankfully, we are all thankful for that. Ultimately, I think we need to realize that the hostages are still not home right now. Right. That's what we need to be focused on is ending. I know that the Israeli people don't want the civilian casualties to continue. They want to bring their family members home, the hostages home, and they need to be brought home immediately. But we can't continue this war forever at the same time. And I know if anybody, obviously experiencing the violence that my classmates and I had, that just adding more bombs to this situation is not going to solve it if we aren't willing to have that conversation in the first place. And unfortunately too we see time and time again a lot of the people who do try to have those conversations, who try to broker peace and create a two state solution get killed. Unfortunately, this violence has continued to derail the peace process over and over and over again. And it's not what's going to bring us to a two state solution.

Bill Maher (17:05)

Who do you think is getting killed? You said people who try to bring peace get killed.

David Hogg (17:11)

Well, I'm talking about throughout the past several decades, obviously throughout multiple attempts of trying to broker different, you know, instances of a two state solution. It's, it's a horrifying thing that's happened that many of the people that have been working towards.

Bill Maher (17:23)

But just so you understand, one place has always wanted a two state solution. Now that has wobbled recently because you can only have a deal on the table for so long and having it spurned when you get a little tired of putting that deal down. And one place has never wanted a two state solution ever. Their only means of ending this has been we wipe you out and take it all. So that's where we're starting from. That's why it's a little frustrating to hear some of these waffling, in my opinion, views on it. But let's move on to something else because, you know, this bores people at a certain point. Why the anxiety? Why is your generation known to having so much anxiety? What is causing anxiety? Do they realize that they live actually in the best time ever for a human being to be alive?

David Hogg (18:09)

Yeah, I think it's obviously hard for us to see that because we're not going to hear news stories about how your life is so great and everything's good, especially when we're seeing school shootings happen all the time. Right. We are growing up as a generation. Not dissimilar, frankly from yours, Bill, where I know that your generation didn't go through school shooter drills, but you did go through nuclear bomb drills. Right. And that created a lot of anxiety. And for our generation, what we're being told by our government is the best thing.

Bill Maher (18:33)

But it didn't. I remember we got under the desk and then we got up.

David Hogg (18:38)

Right. But the difference is, you know, I.

Bill Maher (18:41)

Mean, it was like.

David Hogg (18:41)

The difference is for us, Bill, the bomb is going off multiple times a year in the form of these. And I'm not, you know, I am by no means, I am by no means an expert on child psychology. Or anything like that. I just have the lived experience of being a younger person, but I can say that's certainly not helping. But I also think social media plays a big role in this too. Very a major role. And I think that we need the government to step up and do its job and not just be, you know, standing down to these social media companies, but to help regulate them too. To make sure that, you know, young women are not getting eating disorders, for example, from photoshopped and deep faked images they're seeing online all the time. And also making sure that our algorithms aren't destroying our society by driving us so much further apart than we actually are in reality.

Bill Maher (19:26)

Well, so you're 25 on your next birthday?

David Hogg (19:30)

What is that?

Bill Maher (19:30)

You're 25 on your next birthday?

David Hogg (19:32)

Yes, I'm 25.

Bill Maher (19:33)

That's when you can start to run for Congress, right?

David Hogg (19:35)

Yes, it is.

Bill Maher (19:36)

Is that when you're going to start to run for Congress? Could you seem like you're on that path?

David Hogg (19:40)

Well, Bill, that's a great question. And when I was younger.

Bill Maher (19:43)

You sound like a polishing already.

David Hogg (19:49)

I did say when I was younger that I wanted to run for office. But I realized when I was helping my friend Maxwell Frost run for Congress as the first member of March for Our Lives, the huge march that we had after the Parkland shooting, the largest student protest in American history. When I was helping him run for office, one I realized how hard it is for young people to get elected. And that's why after he was elected defeating two former members of Congress and becoming the youngest person in Congress, he had to raise over $3 million in Uber Drive from 9pm to 2am every night for a year and a half.

Bill Maher (20:17)

So it's about money. Well, Mark Cuban is here. I'll introduce you after. All right, I gotta go. Thank you. David Hogg, you did a great job. You will be in Congress. All right. Thank you. Let's meet our panel. Thank you. Okay. All right, Kyle. Kids today, huh? He's amazing. He's great. No, he's great. All right. He's a CO Host of MSNBC's Morning Joe. CO host. His name's in the title. Joe Scarborough is here and he's a shark on abc. Shark Tank, part owner of the Dallas Mavericks and a co founder of Cost plus drugs company, Mark Cuban. Okay, all right. I want to talk about money because I know you have a lot of it. Yeah, okay. Because you know when you hear Trump talk, I mean, America is just a flaming bag of dog shit. And he's the only one who can stomp it out. And the Economist today headline, the envy of the world. America's economy is bigger and better than ever. Listen to some of this because I just don't think people know this stuff. Like since the start of 2020, America's real growth has been 10% which is three times the average of the other G7. You know, the big boy countries misses just so that people think it's. Oh sure, it's just the billionaires. No, Mississippi is our poorest state. I don't think there's a lot of billionaires there.

Mark Cuban (21:54)

No.

Bill Maher (21:57)

Its residents earn on average more than the Brits, the Canadians or the Germans. Mississippians. Yeah, I feel bad about all the things. I mean the top 10 US tech stocks have greater value than the entire stock markets of Canada, Britain, France, Germany. What's our secret? Why are we kicking ass? Technology, technology, technology.

Mark Cuban (22:22)

We dominate in artificial intelligence and artificial intelligence dominates business. And as long as we stay ahead, we are going to continue to dominate the world.

Bill Maher (22:31)

Just artificial intelligence.

Joe Scarborough (22:34)

It's not just technology. It's not just technology. By the way, the numbers are incredible and it drives me crazy when I hear politicians talking about how bad things are in America. We've got a 26 trillion dollar GDP. China, which was supposed to overtake us 10 years ago, remember that? They're like stuck at 17, 18 trillion. California, which is supposed to be a socialist state, has a bigger gdp. Fourth biggest GDP in the world. Bigger than India's, bigger than Britain's, bigger than Canada's. Texas has a bigger GDP than Russia. I mean it's incredible relative to the rest of the world. And that's the only way we can measure this. Our economy is stronger today than any time since World War II. And so much of that has to do. Nobody's saying that. Maybe nobody gets elected by saying how great this country's economy is. But it's not just the tech sector, which is great, but it's also small businesses. It's what's happening on Main Street. It's entrepreneurs, it's people that.

Bill Maher (23:38)

It's our nature.

Joe Scarborough (23:38)

It's people.

Bill Maher (23:39)

We're greedy and it's good.

Joe Scarborough (23:40)

Do you know the great. I've got another way to say it that's not straight out of Wall street, but one of my favorite commercials ever that explains the essence of America was Bill Gates Bill Gates? Or was Steve Jobs first Apple commercial. Think different. We're just different than the rest of the world. A guy like Bill Gates borrows 5,000 bucks, he gets a couple of hippies from Berkeley. They go into the dad's garage and they create Microsoft. And I will tell you, that's a mindset that guys like Mark have. That's not a mindset other people across the world have.

Mark Cuban (24:17)

We are the only country that does that. You can't go anywhere else, right? When you go here, everybody has the American dream. Everybody's got that one idea in the stomach where they're going to turn into a country.

Bill Maher (24:26)

That's it. We have so much wrong with our country, but that is still the thing that separates us. And it's still a place where people feel they can go and they don't cut down the tall trees and you can have an idea and you can reinvent yourself tomorrow. You can fail, fail, fail, right.

Mark Cuban (24:41)

It doesn't matter how many times you fail in this country. You only have to be right at something else.

Joe Scarborough (24:45)

And by the way, another thing that's great about this country too is people don't really care what when they hire you, what color you are. What they care about is are you going to make them money? And that's the bottom line. And if you come from India or if you come from China or you come from wherever you come from Nova Scotia, you walk in and you say, I've got an idea and this is how I'm going to make you money.

Bill Maher (25:09)

Right.

Joe Scarborough (25:10)

Keep talking.

Mark Cuban (25:10)

I like the way he thinks, but.

Joe Scarborough (25:12)

You know, that's how, that's how the.

Mark Cuban (25:14)

Real balance, the real balance of trade that matters is the number of people who want to get in versus the number of people who want to get out. You don't hear anybody saying, I'm leaving the United States to go somewhere else to start a business.

Bill Maher (25:26)

Well, you hear a lot of threats when the election is coming and then they never do it.

Mark Cuban (25:31)

Right, right.

Bill Maher (25:31)

Every celebrity in the I'm leaving Republican wins. Fuck off. You're not leaving and you never do. But okay, here's the. The guy who I think epitomizes the good, the bad, everything in between and just it's sort of a microcosm of America is Elon Musk. Because this week he had an amazing week. He caught this is from Politico. He pulled off an engineering marvel where he launched the largest, most powerful rocket in the world and on the first try caught the 23 story tall booster.

Mark Cuban (26:01)

Insane.

Bill Maher (26:02)

That brings it up in midair using chopstick like mechanical arms. We made a little video called Elon Musk's Week that encapsulates this. Would you show it? It'll just Take a few seconds. Look at that.

Mark Cuban (26:15)

That's insane.

Bill Maher (26:16)

Isn't that amazing? And then that's insane, too.

Mark Cuban (26:20)

That's just as insane.

Bill Maher (26:21)

Same guy. That's my point. That's my point. Yeah. Is that. That's the same guy. This is such a game changer with exploring the stars with the rocket. But he also. I mean, the tweets. I mean, FEMA used its budget ferrying illegals into the country instead of saving American lives. Treason. That's the same guy. He also said, tweeted, Mark Cuban and Rachel Maddow are the same person. Don't believe.

Mark Cuban (26:58)

Oh, my God. He just goes to show you could be one of the world's greatest entrepreneurs, literally, of the last century and be a fucking troll at the same time.

Bill Maher (27:07)

Right? Here's the difference.

Joe Scarborough (27:13)

People were shocked when Henry Ford, who created the modern age, went to testify on Capitol Hill. And what did historians say? Congressmen and senators were shocked. How ignorant this guy was. I don't know Elon Musk and an anti Semite, but this is a guy who's one of the great minds of our time. And I hate that he's in the sewer with Twitter and doing all of this stuff. Support whoever you want to support. But again.

Mark Cuban (27:43)

But you don't have to lie your ass off.

Joe Scarborough (27:45)

There's so much information that's being spread. But here's.

Bill Maher (27:48)

Here's where the rubber meets the rub. Because this is important. He wanted to. This week he's suing by. He's suing the 12 member commission, the California Coastal Commission. He launches his rockets from Vandenberg Space Force Base. He used to call it Air Force Base, but I guess now we're into space Force time. He wanted the proposal to expand the number of launches. Okay. Again, one of the most impressive companies, an American company. He wants a little more. Give it to him. No. The commission, some bureaucrat said no. And this is the reason why. Commissioner Carol Hart saying we're dealing with a company the head of which has aggressively injected himself into the presidential race and made it clear what his point of view is. Yes. Because he lives in America and he can do that. It has nothing to do with this. And you know, the right thinks that the left is in a very different place with free speech than they have been before. And they're not wrong. They're not wrong. This is arrogant. You don't punish somebody. It would be like if we stopped Henry Ford from making the cars because we didn't like what.

Mark Cuban (29:03)

Yeah, but can you take one anecdotal example One idiot, right. Truly an idiot. To stop.

Bill Maher (29:07)

This is not an idiot. This is someone with power.

Mark Cuban (29:10)

An idiot with power. It's not unusual.

Bill Maher (29:12)

Okay, but. That's right. No, but having power matters.

Joe Scarborough (29:19)

Let's talk about why. We've talked about entrepreneurs and what makes America great, You know, what makes our economy, what sustains our economy, the rule of law. And that's what I believe is at stake at this election. We want a fair and equitable approach to the rule of law. The great thing about America is an idiot makes a decision like that based on politics instead of based on what their job is. You can take it to the courts, the courts will overturn it, and I guarantee you they're going to have that decision overturned. And they're going to have to find another reason, a better reason, a more relevant reason to deny, and they'll learn a harder lesson.

Mark Cuban (30:03)

He'll just move more of his production and more of his launches somewhere else. To Florida or Texas. Exactly. I mean, they'll learn the hard way.

Bill Maher (30:10)

But it's just the attitude that I find scary, that they're far too willing to stifle freedoms, including speech, for the sake of safety or misinformation sometimes, which is coming from everybody. It's, you know, no one has a monopoly on it or just power.

Joe Scarborough (30:28)

You say nobody has a monopoly on it. Come on, that's some moral relativism right there.

Bill Maher (30:32)

I said nobody has a monopoly.

Joe Scarborough (30:34)

You said nobody has a monopoly on it. But that's like saying nobody has a monopoly on being a billionaire. He's got that monopoly up here. I mean, he's got more money than us. A lot more money than us.

Bill Maher (30:48)

I don't get the.

Joe Scarborough (30:49)

You don't get.

Bill Maher (30:50)

I don't know what point you're making.

Joe Scarborough (30:51)

You're saying it's both sides. Is. There is no doubt.

Bill Maher (30:55)

There's no misinformation.

Joe Scarborough (30:56)

There's some disinformation from the left. But comparing it to what, Donald Trump.

Bill Maher (31:01)

No, of course I agree.

Joe Scarborough (31:02)

Every day, every week, comparing it to what Elon Musk is spewing out. Unfortunately, on X, there's no.

Bill Maher (31:08)

There's.

Joe Scarborough (31:09)

You sound like Bret Stevens right now. With all due respect, it's a joke. That's a real time.

Bill Maher (31:15)

And you sound like him, who looks like Rachel Maddow. Or if he.

Joe Scarborough (31:21)

If you understand what I'm saying.

Bill Maher (31:23)

But I'm not. I've never argued with that. I've never argued of a false equivalency. I just said there is misinformation from both sides. Sorry, I lived Through Covid. Don't tell me there wasn't misinformation.

Mark Cuban (31:36)

But there's a difference between I live.

Bill Maher (31:38)

Through stupid policies based on bad information and stifled information.

Mark Cuban (31:42)

But intent matters.

Bill Maher (31:43)

That's what Zuckerberg said. He said they were forcing us not to put out intent matters.

Mark Cuban (31:46)

Right? Even back then they were trying to save lives even if they did it the wrong way. But here with this lady, there's no good intent. She's just trying to prove her point. If you get it wrong, trying to do the right thing.

Bill Maher (31:55)

Okay. Something else I don't agree with Musk on Forever is he thinks we need more population. I cannot go through a week, really, without reading about countries around the world. More babies. Everybody wants more babies. I don't get this. Italy is giving out a billion dollars. If you put a billion dollars into a program to get people to fuck in it. This is so across the board. Iran is giving bonuses to the imams if they can get the people to get nasty. Japan has a government. A government dating app from. It's like a public option for fucking. I mean, I'm doing my part, though.

Mark Cuban (32:41)

Bill. On costplusdrugs.com you can buy Tadylafil, which is generic Cialis. $9.95 for 90 of them. That's cheaper than MM. You can put a whole bowl of generic Cialis right next to your bed. That's how you grow America. That's the American way.

Bill Maher (33:03)

There are some posters around the world that they're putting up there to get people to have more babies. Hungry young Hungarians receive babysitting assistance. Poland advertised increased child benefits. Spain, Save the planet. Have more babies. I couldn't agree. Less. I am for less babies. So we came up with some posters of our own to encourage people to not have children. Like, the real Happy Meals are the ones you eat alone. For the cost of child support, you could be driving an Acura tlx. Nothing ruins your only fans like a kid crying in the background. I like it. They turn your nipples into gum. Forget them. In a car. Hot car once and you're a monster. Uh, think of all the money you'll save on sex change operations. Oh, my God. Um, he can't molest what you don't create. And they're all cute until they tell Tell you to start. Go fuck yourself. All right. So, all right, apropos. We were just talking about. And again, not a false equivalency person. There was the Al Smith dinner. That is something that I've seen. I mean, since I've been following politics. They have it every year in New York City. It's for the Catholic Charities or whatever. Every year the two candidates show up. And it's always like something that makes us feel good or has in the past because it's just saying, look, even a few weeks out before the election, we can be on the same stage, we can eat at the same dinner. We can even get up and make jokes about each other.

Joe Scarborough (35:20)

Right.

Bill Maher (35:21)

I feel like it's a turning point when we can't even do that. And we can't. Kamala didn't show up. I understand why she wouldn't. He's a monster. And, you know, there's. The rhetoric has been awful for a very long time, but some of the stuff in the last week or so, the enemy from within, he's calling the people he doesn't like. I mean, he's done this before. Enemy, you know, not just adversary. Michael Flynn. Who. You know who Michael Flynn is. He was the general. He was his national security advisor for about three weeks before he got canned for dealing with Russia. I know it's a hoax. Wink, wink. No, it's not a hoax. He was asked by someone at an event, is there any chance that when you, if Trump wins, you will get reinstated and sit at the head of a military tribunal to not only drain the swamp, but imprison the swamp and in some cases execute the swamp. And Michael Flynn could be back in his old job. And he said, well, he goes on and on, doesn't say, no, I'm not going to do that. That's crazy. He says, we win. And then, Katie, bar the door. Believe me, the gates of hell, my hell, will be unleashed. Now, I know what the Republicans say is, yeah, he talks like a fascist. He'd never really do it. He used to say he'd put Hillary in jail. Remember, everything was locker up. He didn't do it. He had four years. He could have done it. That's not good enough for me.

Joe Scarborough (36:45)

He tried to do it. He went to two attorney generals and both of them said, we have nothing to ring charges against. People don't remember two weeks before the election in 2020, he was pressuring Barr, his attorney general, to arrest Joe Biden. What drives me crazy is this past week, like, I don't want people to listen to me. I don't want them to listen to you. I don't want them to listen to anybody. I want them to listen to what Donald Trump says. And this past week, this past week, this past week, Donald Trump said that he was going to use the military and the National Guard to arrest his political opponents. He was asked if he would back off of that.

Mark Cuban (37:32)

He said no.

Joe Scarborough (37:33)

And he said no. In fact, he doubled down. He talked about Nancy Pelosi being evil, her husband being evil, Schiff being evil, talking about arresting them. He said he was going to execute the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff because he was disloyal to him. He told another chief of staff who was a general, I wish my generals were like Hitler's generals.

Mark Cuban (37:55)

It's a new season of the Sopranos, and it's crazy. I mean, it really is.

Joe Scarborough (37:58)

I mean, but people, you know, you tell people this, and they go, oh, he didn't say that. You show them the clip, and then they go, he doesn't mean that. He does mean that.

Bill Maher (38:09)

And that's when they say, you have Trump derangement syndrome. And I would just like to say to my Republican friends, it's not deranged to fear this. No, it's not deranged to find this alarming. What I said.

Joe Scarborough (38:22)

Yeah, we're not saying this. We're not guessing what he's going to do. He's saying, this is what I'm going to get.

Mark Cuban (38:30)

The Supreme Court decision.

Joe Scarborough (38:31)

I'm going to get Liz Cheney in a military tribunal. His people have said they're going to arrest my producers. He said he was going to shut down CBS because he didn't like how they. They edited a package in 60 minutes. He's out of control.

Bill Maher (38:46)

His words. So why is.

Mark Cuban (38:53)

It Elon. Elon is Mr. Free Speech. Free speech. Free speech on Twitter. And Donald says he's going to shut down cbs. He's going to shut down his enemies. Elon, not a fucking word.

Bill Maher (39:02)

Yeah, well, I mean, anytime. You maybe don't expect it, but whenever they talk about free, free, free, it just means you're free for the people we like. Free for me, free for me. But why is. You've been a good one to ask about this. Why is Silicon Valley turning more Republican? I mean, I look at some of.

Mark Cuban (39:22)

These people, there's two parts.

Bill Maher (39:24)

Peter Thiel and Marc Andreessen Musk. I mean, there's some heavy hitters up there who. I mean, what is that all about? You know these people.

Mark Cuban (39:32)

Yeah, there's two pieces, too. And I've talked to some of when Biden was president, it was kind of obvious to them that he didn't understand technology, he didn't care about technology, and that's when they took the first step. Now that Kamala is in place as the candidate. You've seen Ben Horowitz come out and say, I'm going to give money to Kamala. Behind the scenes, there's a lot of other people saying, okay, it's time to reevaluate what I'm going to do. So Peter Thiel, Elon, I don't think they're going to change their mind. Andreessen, I don't think is going to change his mind. But I think there's a lot of other folks in Silicon Valley who are having second thoughts.

Joe Scarborough (40:03)

There's also been such a reaction and, you know, there's so much better than I do. I don't really know the culture that well, but there's been such a reaction against Wokeism. I know you talk about it an awful lot. I'm passing no judgments here. I'm just reporting that time and time again when I talk to somebody in Silicon Valley, it always goes back to that they want to tax us. And then they start talking about wokeism over the past four, five, six years.

Bill Maher (40:32)

Well, that's Elon Singh. He calls it the woke mind virus. And he's not completely wrong. There is a woke mind virus. He's, I think, a little on the spectrum. So it drove him over the edge.

Joe Scarborough (40:45)

Do you think it's receding? Well, there's two elements, the Wokeism.

Bill Maher (40:50)

I think, yes, there are two sides.

Mark Cuban (40:52)

In the college campus because of the legal rulings. It's definitely receding. Yeah, I think because you can't do it. The states ruling against it and corporations even like my companies, we're still diversity, equity, inclusion.

Bill Maher (41:02)

Yes.

Mark Cuban (41:02)

We're just not going to go out there and brag about it. But the principles are still the same and I think that's consistent.

Bill Maher (41:07)

But don't you think a lot of this is because Silicon Valley, a lot of their money comes from now it's going to become from AI, which. And they love bitcoin like you do, because God knows we need a currency for criminals and it uses both of those. Use crazy amounts of energy. You know this especially bitcoin, especially the mining that they do with Giant.

Mark Cuban (41:38)

Yeah, they've made adjustments, but I get your point. I get your point.

Bill Maher (41:42)

Yeah, it's true. And the only way you can keep up with this is drill, baby, drill. And also anybody who's going to regulate Silicon Valley is probably going to be a Democrat.

David Hogg (41:51)

It.

Bill Maher (41:51)

Do you think that's where a lot of this comes from? AI does need to be regulated to a degree. And I don't think they want that and it's not going to come from the Republican.

Mark Cuban (41:59)

Couple of things. One, I'll disagree with the regulation. It needs to be watched, but it's very difficult. If we lose AI to China, it's over. And so trying to hold us back, to keep us from being able to compete is a problem. In terms of energy, he can say drill, baby, drill all he wants, but if the price of oil goes down below $60, nobody's drilling. So it doesn't matter what he says. In terms of providing energy for AI and other things. Now you're seeing Three Mile island get purchased by Microsoft, you're seeing nuclear projects being developed because they see it's cleaner, more cost effective energy. So, you know, that's capitalism.

Bill Maher (42:33)

Lina Khan, I learned who this is just a couple of weeks ago on 60 Minutes. They did a big profile of her. She is the head of the ftc, the Federal Trade Commission. Very powerful. I thought, whoa, good. You know, I mean, I think our economy, you know, the top ends of our economy are a bit out of control. And she's there for reining them in. She seems to be very sincere. Brilliant. I heard you don't like her.

Mark Cuban (42:55)

Well, two sides to this coin. What I said was what I just said here, that I think AI is the most important battle that we're fighting right now globally. If China wins, like I just said, we lose all that economic superiority. They can kick her ass in robotics, they can kick her ass in business. There's so many places where it can go wrong.

Bill Maher (43:13)

What is she doing that's so what.

Mark Cuban (43:15)

She'S looking at doing is breaking up big AI companies, starting with Google. And so those are the companies that are doing the research, doing the development that push AI forward. And what I said was, I don't care if she sanctions them, I don't care if she finds them, I don't care if she sends somebody to jail, but don't break them up because that hurts our competitiveness. Now that said, I also said her click to cancel for removing subscriptions. Brilliant. Her taking on the pharmacy benefit managers who are increasing the cost of medications in this country. 30, 40%. Brilliant. She took on scam companies that misuse people's name, image and likeness. Brilliant.

Bill Maher (43:49)

How about streaming is ruining football? Am I wrong? It is.

Mark Cuban (43:55)

It makes it tough.

Bill Maher (43:57)

It is. You know, I wanted to watch. Wait a second, this is important. I wanted to watch the Mets and there was a football game on at the same time. In the old days, I could just push previous channel and be between 1 and 2 in 1 second now. I can't do that. By the way, this is what I call reverse improvement.

Joe Scarborough (44:18)

Trump wins because of streaming. We always hear that. Anyway, we got three people.

Bill Maher (44:25)

I think she should work on that next.

Joe Scarborough (44:26)

There are a couple things really quickly. First of all, drill baby, drill again. Biden and Harris are supposed to be such socialists. The Dow and the S and P break records every week. And as far as drilling goes, the United States this past year got drilled more oil than any other country ever. So. So we're doing well there. The thing I don't understand, though, about. About why there's hostility towards Lina Khan. I said earlier that the amazing thing about America was at Microsoft, you got. You get some hippies from Berkeley, $5,000, a dad's garage, and they create Microsoft. The problem now, though is Microsoft is basically a monopoly.

Bill Maher (45:09)

It is.

Joe Scarborough (45:09)

Amazon is a monopoly.

Bill Maher (45:11)

Right?

Joe Scarborough (45:12)

You can. Google Too Big is a monopoly.

Bill Maher (45:14)

Went through this.

Joe Scarborough (45:15)

You can go down the list of it and, and, and all of these companies. Well, we. I love taking out my phone, going to Amazon, being able to order something, it shows up on the doorstep. But the problem is the size of these companies stop when other people go from entering the marketplace. And can I just ask you, what's the difference? No, what's the difference between Google, Amazon, and. By the way, these companies I love, I really do, I respect them as an American, but what's the difference between breaking them up and breaking Ma Bell up in the 1970s? Because we heard that same thing then and look what we got, because we broke up the bell.

Mark Cuban (45:51)

So back then with the bells, it was all analog, barely digital, and it was all physical, and it was all based off the infrastructure, putting down the phone lines, having all the telco stuff. And when you broke that up, you just split it up. Now, with AI, it's definitely a difficult choice between consumerism and protecting consumers and economic dominance, because that money and all that data and all that, all those technologists and engineers work on improving AI.

Joe Scarborough (46:17)

Isn't there a part of Google that does AI and you can break up Google and you move them there and have other.

Mark Cuban (46:23)

That's why AI is so critical. It touches everything.

Bill Maher (46:26)

All right, thank you, guys. I gotta end it. Really fun. I got a new rule. Okay. All right, new. No more touching stories about people who take their cats camping and accidentally lose them. And then the cat miraculously travels 800 miles to find its way home. It didn't walk and it didn't hitchhike and it didn't book a plane ticket with miles there's a simpler explanation. It's a different cat. It's true. If your cat travels 800 miles to find you, it wasn't driven by love. It's coming for revenge. Uh, no. Stop trying to get me to take a cold plunge, because it works wonders for depression. Okay, one, I'm not depressed. And two, if I was, I wouldn't get in a tub of ice. I'd fill a tub of ice with Corona. That's what I want. Newell. Someone must ask the Arkansas couple who tried to sell their baby for $1,000 in a six pack of beer. What's wrong with you? $1,000 for a baby from Arkansas? Maybe Vermont or Washington state, but Arkansas. I said it before, I'll say it again. The problem with today's parents is they think their kid is so special, someone has to break into the people who say they died in the hospital and then saw a bright light at the end of a tunnel. That was the tv. Yeah. You were watching Netflix when your heart stopped. That man you saw with the long white beard, that wasn't God. That was David Letterman. And the gentle touch from the Almighty you felt on your arm, that wasn't an angel. It was an orderly stealing your watch. New rule. Just because you can buy a service dog harness for your Chihuahua doesn't make your Chihuahua a service dog. You're not fooling anybody unless the service the service your dog provides is making everyone at the restaurant hate you. Now get your dog away from my Cobb salad before I call a Haitian. And finally, new rule. Democrats need to stop thinking an October Surprise is going to save us from a second. I mean, look at this. We've gotten so used to thinking that there's always an October Surprise coming, that when it doesn't happen, it actually seems weird. Like a. Like a party at Diddy's house where you just dance. The Access Hollywood tape in 2016 was classic October Surprise, and many people thought it was one that would work, as grabbing pussy is generally frowned upon, including by James Comey, who was so disgusted by it, he reopened an investigation into Hillary a few weeks later. In 1980, the October Surprise was that Iran was going to release the hostages they'd been holding for over a year giving President Carter a lift. But then they released them minutes after Reagan got inaugurated. Psych. In the year 2000, a week before the election, it came out that George W. Bush had once been arrested for drunk driving, something I always assumed he'd been doing before he Jesus and made him take the wheel. But okay. These were much Simpler times. And quaintly, this was seen as a big scandal back then. Whereas today, Trump could drunk drive with a blood alcohol content of a million doing 200 on a side street and kill a crosswalk of kindergarteners and two ducks, and it wouldn't move the needle at all. Good thing? No. Trump's superpower as a candidate is that he has been so constantly and ubiquitously awful for so long that it's simply no longer seen the way you wouldn't notice a new face tattoo on post. Malone. Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards once boasted, the only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy. Both of those could happen to Trump tomorrow and it wouldn't matter. He's banged a porn star and attempted a coup. He steals from charities. If you're waiting for an October Surprise to knock him out and dream on, there are better odds of another Joker musical. There's a new Bob Woodward book that says when Americans couldn't get a COVID test, Trump was sending them to our worst enemy, Putin. Shrug. Trump said last week that really doing the purge like in the movie might be a good crime fighting technique. He's the only candidate where the voters hope he doesn't keep his campaign promises. And five trials in one year. Even if you're a fan, that's a lot of trials. But you simply cannot surprise the voter who's seen it all. With what? He's the third Menendez brother. He did gay porn with black Nazis under the name Don Diggler. Would that do it? No. There's already video of him jerking off two guys at one. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Balloon drop. But honestly, what is the headline you're imagining that would knock Donald Trump out of the race? Trump in Blackface for Halloween. Trump wipes ass with Shroud of Turin. Trump knocks up underage prostitute who gives birth to Rosemary's baby. Trump is Rosemary's baby. I mean, this is. This is Kamala's great dilemma. Trump is invulnerable to an October surprise, but she is very vulnerable because she's the one who is still undefined. And as she showed in this week's Bret Baer interview, her go to when attacked for her own actions is usually Trump is worse. Okay, we know that. But now undecided voters want to hear about you. They want someone to vote for. This election comes down to this. Trump has a coalition of voters made up of A, people who really do like him and B, people who think with all of his flaws. He's still better than Far Left Insanity. And the voters big doubt about Kamala is are you part of Far left Insanity? The attack ad I see 10 times a day and a question Brett Baer aimed at her on Wednesday was about her saying in 2019 that she supported providing taxpayer funded sex change operations to illegal immigrants in prison. Something that's actually never happened and has no real bearing on anybody's life. But it's a litmus test for voters out there who want to know of the Democrat, is there anything your fringe can suggest that will ever make you say no? That's fucking ridiculous. It's getting late early and we can't aff and we can't afford any more bad answers like this one last Would.

David Hogg (55:51)

You have done something differently than President Biden during the past four years? There is not a thing that comes to mind.

Bill Maher (56:00)

No bueno, no. Next time maybe try Joe. Biden generally did a good job. But sure, I wish we'd tightened the border sooner as we have done now. And trust me, I learned my lesson and that's never going to happen again. Kamala, it's so important that you win this election. Not just for the sake of retaining a real democracy and for the good of the world, but also because I predicted a month ago you'd win this thing and if you blow it, it's going to make me look bad. I've got a really good prediction record, so please don't fuck this up. Kamala, ever since I put down my marker on you and said you'd win and I wasn't even worried about it, everyone, everywhere on the road in la, texting me, emailing me, stopping me in restaurants, asking me, bill, are you sure? No, I'm not fucking sure. What am I, Crescent? Of course I'm not sure. But that's my gut. I think Kamala Harris wants this. I think she can do this. To say nothing of if she loses, she'll never hear the end of it from Joe. I told you I was the only one who could beat him. Biden. All right, that's our show. I'll be at the David Copperfield at the MGM Grad in Vegas November 1st and 2nd at the Beacon in New York for the Comedy Festival November 16th and the MGM National harbor in D.C. november 17th. I want to thank Joe Scarborough, Mark Cuban and David Hogg. Now go watch over time on YouTube. Thank you, folks. Thank you. Catch all new episodes of Real Time with Bill Maher every Friday night at 10 or watch him anytime on HBO On Demand. For more information, log on to hbo.com.

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