In this episode of "Reality Check," Ross Coulthart sits down with Dr. Phil McGraw, the psychologist and television host the White House invited to review the latest tranche of UFO files before it reached the public. Dr. Phil explains why an administration weighing disclosure went looking for a trusted voice rather than an astrophysicist, and what changed his mind once he started reading the government's own words: from Lt. General Nathan Twining's 1947 assessment that the phenomenon was something real and not visionary, to the 1949 classified conference at Los Alamos convened over sightings above America's nuclear weapons sites, to the CIA's Robertson Panel strategy of publicizing cases already debunked and saying nothing about the ones that weren't, to the JANAP directives that put military and commercial pilots under threat of prison, heavy fines and the Espionage Act for describing what they saw.

He tells Coulthart the imagery released so far is intentionally grainy, that far better gun camera video and radar tracks exist and that Reps. Tim Burchett and Anna Paulina Luna are helping him press for their release. Drawing on close to 50 years of sitting with people through the worst losses a person can absorb, Dr. Phil rejects the argument that Americans are too fragile to be told, calling it a patronizing view, while arguing the government owes real support to the people who will struggle with it. Two things he says he will state with confidence to the American public: There has been a huge cover-up and there are things in our atmosphere we cannot explain and did not build.

#DrPhil #UAP #UFOFiles

CREDITS

Host: Ross Coulthart

Executive Producer: Andy Gipson

Editorial Producer: Meagan Medick

Segment Producer: Christine Jenkinson

Associate Producer: Will Tomasi

Research Producer: Rob Jones

Editor: Kanyon Lyons

On "Reality Check," NewsNation Special Correspondent Ross Coulthart takes a fact-based approach to tackle everything from unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) to mysteries often missing from the headlines.

More Reality Check: https://www.newsnationnow.com/podcasts-newsnation/reality-check-with-ross-coulthart/

Email your questions to RealityCheck@NewsNationNow.com

CHAPTERS

:00 Intro

0:52 The White House Approach, and Why They Came to Dr. Phil First

2:14 Seventy One Percent Believe, But an Abstract Nod Isn't Confirmation

3:38 Trump, the Religious Liberty Commission, and Being a Trusted Voice

5:04 "Too Drunk to Fish," and the Credible Pilots Nobody Heard From

6:31 "It's Like a PSYOP," and the Part That Infuriated Him

7:29 The President Treated Like a Temp Employee

8:49 The Executive Order, and the Case for Disclosing in Steps

10:21 Hiding It in Plain Sight, Buried in a Sea of Minutiae

11:09 Two Things the Fourth Tranche Settled for Him

12:02 Read What They Wrote When They Didn't Think Anyone Would

12:55 Twining in 1947, Los Alamos in 1949, Pantex Now

14:12 The Robertson Panel Playbook, and JANAP 146

15:44 Redactions and Cherry Picking, Why He Isn't Naive About This Release

17:00 David Grusch, and What a Retrieval Program Would Mean

17:49 Presence, Contact, Dialogue, Intent, the Steps Nobody Breaks Down

19:16 Two and a Half Million Years to Andromeda, or They Packed a Hell of a Lunch

20:35 A Pilot Since Sixteen, and Why He Thinks the Videos Are Intentionally Grainy

21:26 Burchett, Luna, and the Push for Better Images

22:07 Forty Thousand Miles an Hour, a Ninety Degree Turn, and Seven and a Half G's

23:18 "A Very Patronizing View," Is America Ready to Be Told?

24:10 Fifty Years of Loss, and the Best Predictor of Future Behavior

27:26 What Happens When One Voice Moves Mainstream America?

28:05 Follow the Money, Follow the Power

29:41 The Technology That Could Wipe Out Oil, Gas, and Nuclear

31:33 What He Would Tell President Trump

32:31 "I Don't Want to Create a Fauci Moment"

34:27 Can the Public Handle Big D Disclosure?

36:23 "What an Exciting Time to Be Alive"

37:50 "We Can't Let Stigma Put a Muzzle on Us"