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In this episode of "Reality Check," Ross Coulthart sits down with a UAP researcher known online as "UAP Gerb." Together, they trace the secret history of the UAP legacy program, from its origins after the 1947 Roswell crash through today's disclosure fight. Gerb lays out allegations that Lue Elizondo is being positioned for a National Security Council role to help engineer limited, controlled disclosure, similar to what Gerb says happened under Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and the AATIP program in 2016.

The two dig into the Podesta emails, the Majestic-12 and Eisenhower briefing document controversies, the deaths of James Forrestal and JFK and how control of crash-retrieval programs allegedly shifted from the National Security Council into private aerospace hands in the 1990s. Gerb argues David Grusch remains the key figure capable of forcing real accountability, and Coulthart presses him on why Congress and even the president may lack the power to compel answers.

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CREDITS

Host: Ross Coulthart

Executive Producer: Andy Gipson

Editorial Producer: Meagan Medick

Segment Producer: Christine Jenkinson, Will Tomasi

Research Producer: Rob Jones

Editor: Kanyon Lyons

On "Reality Check," NewsNation Special Correspondent Ross Coulthart takes a fact-based approach to tackle everything from unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs) to mysteries often missing from the headlines.

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CHAPTER SUMMARY:

:00 Intro

1:10 Meet UAP Gerb

2:04 Controlled narratives of disclosure

3:20 Schism in the UAP community

4:42 Attempts to control/misdirect the public narrative

6:36 Podesta emails revelations

7:00 Concerns around AATIP

8:50 Admissions of a craft retrieval program?

10:00 Whistleblower David Grusch

11:02 Was Tom DeLonge used for controlled disclosure?

13:13 Why was Hillary Clinton the ideal choice for limited disclosure?

14:47 James Clapper and the legacy program

15:25 Does the legacy program trust President Trump?

18:09 ‘Age of Disclosure’ Documentary

19:55 Origins of the legacy program

21:56 Authenticity of MJ-12 documents

23:34 Eisenhower briefing document

25:54 Manhattan Project 2.0

27:22 Challenging the National Security narrative

29:31 Executive orders bolstering special access programs

32:58 1994 appointment of 27 gatekeepers

35:07 Misappropriation of funds

37:58 Presidents are viewed as ‘temporary employees’ by the legacy program

39:24 What would Gerb do if President?

41:41 Legacy program loopholes

43:37 Reining in the legacy program

46:30 Is Congress captive to the national security state?

48:14 Briefing President Trump

48:40 Marco Rubio’s national security role

51:22 Why are there no major leaks?

52:30 Wilson-Davis document

59:11 The seventh veil analogy

1:00:16 Part two preview