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EZRA LEVANT | Candice Malcolm on the rise of independent media and the collapse of legacy trust
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Ezra and Candice reminisce about independent journalism in Canada, including the trials and triumphs of True North and Rebel News over the years, and discuss the state of immigration in Canada moving into 2026.
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A
Tonight, a feature interview with Candace Malcolm, the founder of True north and Juno News. You're watching the Ezra Levant show. Shame on you, you sensorian bug. Well, when Rebel News started 10 years ago, there really wasn't a lot of independent journalism in Canada. In fact, there really wasn't a lot in the west or in the world. I could count on one hand's fingers the outlets that were trying to be independent citizen journalists. Believe it or not, one of the inspirations for us was a left wing channel called the Young Turks out of la. And then it was Glenn Beck's of the Blaze and that's about it. Well, I'm delighted to say that not only in Canada, but in places like the uk, independent journalism, citizen journalism is thriving now. On the one hand, we no longer have a monopoly like Rebel News used to on the independent journalism side. But on the other hand, we're no longer lonely. We have allies. And I believe the market is so large that there is so much room for people who want to challenge the regime media, as I call it, that I have adopted the approach of Rebel News to be friends even with our nominal competitors. And one of my favorite sources of independent journalism in Canada, that is not Rebel News, are the good folks at True north and Juneau News. And what a delight to have with us for the entirety of today's show, my friend Candace Malcolm, the founder of True north and co founder of Juno News. Ken, it's great to see you and congratulations on your successes.
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B
Well, thank you so much, Ezra, and for that introduction. You know, I worked at the Revel at the very beginning and I've always been a huge admirer of what you do. I really feel like you have been a mentor. You're the godfather, father of independent journalism in Canada and free speech in Canada. So many of us are sort of following in your footsteps and able to do what we do because of you. So I, I've always felt that we, we work together, we kind of do different things in the, in the media journalism space. But I, I think that it's stronger than ever. And even, you know, to see from my perspective, younger, I think they call themselves influencers now, but the young conservative influencers who are really have big followings on x and on YouTube and, and, and, and they're kind of continuing this of independent journalism. They don't even care what the legacy media says. Right. Like we're out here fighting the CBC and the Globe and Mail and trying to correct the record on things that they're saying. And you know, people in their 20s. They don't even, they don't, it's not even on their radar what's happening on the cbc because they don't care. And it's not relevant because the CBC has just lost the plot and they're so, you know, out, out in the woods, just wandering around, talking to themselves, navel gazing and not actually reporting on the important things that Canadians care about. So I think we've created a whole new world, a whole new ecosystem and, and it's, it's a great time to be an independent journalist in Canada.
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A
You're so right. And first, thanks for your kind words, but you're right. When Revolut started, I think I had a bit of an inferiority complex about the raging media. I said, oh, we're not as reputable, we're not as large. And so it's always been in the back of my mind, we gotta show them. But you're right, this whole new generation of influencers, they don't even, they barely know what the CBC is. Of course they don't read the Globe and Mail. It's so, it's sort of awesome. Nowhere have I seen that change more than in London. I used to go and cover Tommy Robinson's cases and I would be the only journalist outside court. Last couple of times I went there literally 20, 20 different citizen journalists, from very rough folks with an old phone to very sophisticated rigs and systems and staff. And I think the need is, it's a response to a demand. People just don't believe the BBC, the cbc, the Globe. So I don't know, it's an exciting trend to see. And you're right, 10 years ago you had to convince people, well, you can trust us. And here's. If you want to chip in, here's this new way. But now people are used to chipping in a subscription here or there. That's an important part of it, the funding, isn't it? Because we don't take government money. So the fact that people are used to chipping in five bucks or ten bucks a month for streaming things, they're now used to paying for independent journalism too.
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B
Well, you're right, because I think at the very beginning it was a credibility issue, right? It's like, well, you need to read the legacy media to know what's true. And then if you want a different opinion, you can tune into Ezra or Candace and you can get the opinion insight. Whereas I think that it was really during COVID that the legacy media lied so much and it was so obvious. They couldn't keep the story straight, they couldn't tell us the truth. And they just lost so much trust. And the political situation has shifted too. Right. Like in the UK you're talking about. I remember I went over to London to report on Tommy Robinson and at the time I think people thought that he was sort of a fringe character. I have friends in the uk, friends from London who have kind of come around on Tommy and he's become a more mainstream person who's just speaking the truth about the very obvious problems with mass immigration. Unchecked migration, bringing in people from the third world that don't have any cultural fit in our country in the UK or in Canada. And again, those opinions are now very mainstream. At the time, there are only a few people saying it. And now I think it's just obvious to absolutely everybody that open border, mass immigration has been a total failure.
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A
I want to talk a lot more about those things. You've talked about freedom of speech, you've talked about, you know, mass immigration. Let's come back to that. But just give us one minute. I think I understand the difference between True north and Juneau. And our friend Kian Bexley, who was with Counter Signal, he's also a Rebel alumnus. Help me understand what you guys are building, just because I know some of our viewers might also be trying to understand what's the difference between True north and Juneau.
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B
Yeah, I totally get this. And you know, it's a complicated structure just because we're operating in the Canadian system. And so True north is a charity and they do written journalism. So they are journalists. This is still the same team that we had before. They're out there writing the news. We have journalists all over the country doing straight news. So not opinion journalism. But you know, we do have investigative journalists doing kind of deep dive. We have a crime reporter, we have our day to day sort of political reporters. And so they do the written news.
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A
So who would be some of the staff? There is Melanie Bennett.
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B
Melanie Bennett, she's great.
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A
I've interviewed before. Oh, she's great stuff.
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B
She's very good. Cosman, Georgia, who? Alex Olton's a crime reporter. There's, there's a, there's about a dozen of these young journalists. They're all, you know, very Tal hungry, great team over there. And so, so, so that exists. And then Juno News was a project that I launched with our friend, our mutual friend, Kian Bexty, who was the founder of the Counter Signal. And so this is a, a platform like a podcasting platform. News platform. We, we carry True North's journalism. So. So True north is a wire service and we publish the news. We're the publishers of that news. And then on top of that, you get podcasts to familiar people like Mark Petrone and Chris Sims. Alexander Brown has a podcast. And Bexty, there's sort of a host of, of. Of different characters that you can find on YouTube or on our website, Juno news.com and so it's a subscription service. People pay to have access to everything. And you get the written journalism from True north, but then you also get the opinion side and a podcast side from myself and the team of others.
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A
Well, that's great. I, I mean it's, it's a pretty large operation.
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B
Yeah, yeah, we're growing and I think, I think that was sort of the idea, but behind Kian and I coming together, we wanted to join forces and create something that was bigger than just the two, just True north and Counter Signal. And I think we really have. We've reached a new audience. We have big staff. We have, you know, a lot of things. We have a documentary coming out in a couple, couple months. And yeah, we're just able to sort of do more with, with more resources and we're having a lot of fun.
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A
Well, that's great. I mean, when you talk about True north being a kind of news wire, I don't think ordinary people understand the power that newswires have because one journalist with Reuters or Canadian Press can be in hundreds, even thousands of news outlets. And so if that one newswire reporter has a certain bias or makes an error, it is so wide. And I think that historically newswires have been left of center. They've all had a particular ideology. Certainly Canadian press is extremely leftist activists. And I bet most people don't even know that they're reading it because they're picking up the Calgary sun, they're picking up the National Post, they're picking up the Globe and Mail, and they're reading a wire story and they don't even know people. Don't check the name of who wrote it. And like, so I think that people are consuming this group think vanilla leftism, and they don't even realize it.
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B
Well, that's exactly right. Like most people don't realize that almost all the news stories in the legacy media, whether you're reading it on CTV's website or the Globe and Mail or even the Toronto sun or the sort of traditionally conservative papers, and it's written by the same handful of hacks and the way that they write stories, the lens through which they interpret the world is the same as the cbc. It is, like you said, it's, it's groupthink, it's, it's lazy, it's, it's unoriginal and it's, it's basically just, you know, Canadians bad, refugees good. Right. Like, like that's, that's basically in a nutshell what it is. And so the idea was no, we need, we need journalists, reporters out there doing the research, doing the investigations, telling the truth, telling the stories. Not through this lens. So it is a competitor to the Canadian press. I hope that, you know, eventually maybe newspapers, maybe even mainstream media will pick up our stories rather than the Canadian press or in addition to it, just so that Canadians get, get a better sense of what's actually happening in the country, not just what, you know, the establishment, elite leftists want you to believe.
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A
So if True north is like the newswire service and Juno is like the particular publication and it's more podcast oriented, are you accepting other customers for True north or. Not yet?
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B
Not yet, but we will, we will. We're getting Rebel News.
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A
Might consider. I love the journalists you listed. I mean, I know Zoltan, Georgia and Bennett. I think they're brave. I think they're not afraid to be, to challenge the status quo. So when you guys are ready to take on customers. We do subscribe to the Canadian press wire service photos. And my theory there is you can't, you can sort of lie with a photo, but we need photos to populate our stories. But I'd love to be a customer.
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B
Sounds like a deal.
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A
Well, I'll wait for you to let me know that. That's the thing. But I mean, part of the power of the wire service is that the stories go in lots of places. I've seen, I've seen competitive efforts like that in the United States.
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B
Yeah, we're talking about the Daily Caller. Right. The idea is that they have this non profit media outlet because I think, I think, you know, the Trudeau government did a lot of things wrong. One of the things they was that they created a terrible status for journalism outlets. I think that you and I as well, both of us were kind of leading that charge and that people are willing to pay for journalism that they, that they like and that they enjoy and that they appreciate. And actually it's not just that they're paying for the service of being able to read it. They, they think it's a social good and they believe in it so much, they're willing to reach into their own pockets and donate money to make sure that other Canadians see it. So in a lot of ways, you know, they don't want us to put it behind a paywall. They want everyone to be able to read it. They want everyone to be able to see it and they're willing to pay even more because, you know, the people who are in comfortable position where they're retired or maybe they're close to retirement and they have a bit of extra cash, you know, that's, that's something that they believe in and they want to put their money towards it. And so with this new status that we are hopefully going to be able to get soon, it will mean that anyone can donate and it will go towards journalism that will allow more Canadians to read the truth and be aware of some of the problems that, you know, the CBC and legacy media just would prefer that we not talk about, not even know about. And so they deliberately don't cover the kinds of stories that we do.
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A
Let me ask you a question. You mentioned the UK and how some of the battles there, you know, I, I call it my dystopian time machine. I go to the UK and I think, oh my God, that's going to be us in five years. I mean, I really do think I, I get a sneak peek at our future there and I try and cover it from over here. I fly over there probably once a month. How do you guys approach international stories? Do you sort of let that be to others or. I'm just curious, do you think it's important, like the United States is such a big influence on all our politics and there's so many more conservative and freedom oriented people there. What's your approach being towards the US Just sort of just focus on Canada for now.
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B
I would say that we, like, you know, what's happening in the US is usually very interesting, right. I follow it very closely. I'm kind of like a news junkie. So I like to know what's going on all over the place. You know, sometimes there's big stories, big tragedies like what happened in Bondi beach or what happened to Charlie Kirk that just, you know, they affect the entire world and certainly the conservative world or, you know, in the case of the massacre, I mean, and anybody, anybody like the Jewish community, but also Christians and also people worried about mass migration and radicalism and everything like that. So, you know, for me personally, I'm aware of it all and I might talk about it here and there on my show, but the focus of the show always has to be Canada, right? And same with True North. We have reporters all over the country and there's so many interesting things happening in Canada. Sometimes our politics, politics is actually more interesting than what's happening in the States. But you know, we really want to get into the, into the communities and at a local level and tell the stories that are just not being told. So I feel like there's enough things for us to talk about here in Canada that we don't always need to focus as much on international stories. But obviously you're right that things that happen elsewhere, in some ways they're foreshadowing what might happen in Canada. Sometimes that's already happened in Canada and now it's happening in the United States or now it's happening in Australia and they're following us. And we're the kind of cautionary tale of, you know, what you don't want, for instance, when it comes to a national euthanasia policy or you know, many other social issues that Canada has gone so wrong. And so again our focus is always, is always Canada.
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A
Back in 2019, True north and Rebel News were kept out of the national leaders debate in the election and both True north and Rebel News went to court and it was sort of a miracle we won and the government was ordered to accredit Andrew Lawton who at the time was a journalist with True north and I can't remember, I think was key and Bechteen someone else.
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B
Oh yeah, it was key and yeah, if I recall.
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A
Yeah. And we've had that battle with them again in 2021 and then they just sort of surrendered this year. How are you guys treated by gatekeeping politicians? We had great access to Alberta's Premier Daniel Smith. Maybe that's because I knew her from college or something. I don't know. I think she's generally more free speechy, she's not afraid. But to this day we are, we remain blocked by the parliamentary press gallery in Ottawa and Mark Carney and his staff wouldn't let us within a million miles. Is, is that how they treat you also or is that sort of a rebel thing?
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B
No, I think that's how they treat anybody who's not part of the official government press or the regime media as you call them. I think that certainly the liberals, any, anyone in Ottawa. It's tough, right? I have like a. I was able to interview Pierre Poliev last year, well I guess earlier this year before the election and that was great. And I was able to do that. I think Partially just because I knew Pierre from before and he's friend with my husband. And so I was able to just text him and I got an interview with him. But it is a bit harder with any Ottawa politician. I think that the thing that's changed, though, is that the independent media, we have a big audience, right? And so a lot of Conservative MPs are willing to talk to us just because that's where their voters are getting their news from. Alberta, I think. I feel like we're mainstream in Alberta. It's not even like we're independent. It's like we are the kind of more establishment mainstream media there. And it's the legacy media that's a bit more fringe. And so I think Western Canada kind of gets it a bit more still. Still a bit of a challenge in, in Ottawa, but it's never easy. And I think that's. That's the reason behind the Independent Press Gallery and why we have that. Because it's like, you know, just because we don't work for one of these legacy organizations that literally gets funded by the Kearney government doesn't mean that we're any less of journalists or any less right to tell our stories. And I think that's a pretty comp.
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A
Yeah, that goes to my earlier point, and maybe this is too much of a psychological confession on my part. For years I. I was focused on. We were small, they were big, we didn't have a reputation, they did. And now, I mean, I stopped counting when our combined views and impressions hit 2 billion. I mean, I could add. I could go and add it up, but I don't even care anymore. I just know that some of our videos in one day will get as much as the CBC, the National, and we're just a little YouTube channel, really. So I'm not as shy about it anymore. How has the cbc, the Globe and Mail, the Toronto Star reacted to independent media? Because at first they sort of said, oh, isn't that. Cue you kids at the kids table, they're good on you. Like, that's how they treated Rebel when we were born. They thought we were completely harmless. They thought it was cute. Then they thought, oh my God, they're growing like crazy. Must destroy. Now, how would you say they regard Juno, True North, Rebel News? Any. Any independence now? How, How? And I'm curious because on the one hand, they don't want to give us any credit. On the other hand, they want to undo us when they can. What's your.
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B
No, they'll never give us any credit. The only Time they pay any attention to us, Ezra, is when they're so outraged about something that we would dare to report. Right. Like, I think of Andrew Coyne like, Like, like clutching his fists and his pearls over our former journalist Harrison Faulkner reporting about arson and forest fires. Because, of course, the Trudeau government wanted everyone to believe that it was just climate change causing all of these forest fires. And then when you look at the reports and statistics and you find that, like, 95% of them are actually arson and man cause. And so it was very outrageous that we would report that. Myself during the election, right before the election, I put out a report, and two of my reporters did really good work looking into Mark Carney's daughter, Sasha Carney, who's actually legit.
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A
That's a legit story.
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B
Who is actually. Yeah. Not. She doesn't identify as a daughter anymore because she has tranced. And so the idea that our prime minister allowed his own daughter to be trans. As a teenager, she went to the discredited Tavistock Clinic. She wrote about it, right? She. This wasn't like. It wasn't like we went into her diary.
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A
She's a public activist. That's why it's a legit story. So she made it public, right?
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B
Like, the legacy media treated it like we went in and stole her diary or something and published her secret rights. She's an activist. She's read essays about it and talking about a double mastectomy and all this kind of stuff, right? And so it's like, you know what? Like the prime minister allowed his own daughter to do that. And I think that's in the public interest. I think Canadians deserve to know. I stand by that story. I stand by the report. It's important. And, you know, yes, it's personal. Maybe I would have, you know, going back, maybe I would have changed the headline or the way that we presented the story. But still, I think it's a public interest to know that our prime minister went down that rabbit hole and allowed his own family member to do something like that. And I think it's unfortunate that the Conservatives sort of felt the need to denounce me for that report. But the thing. Just to go back to your question, you know, when I put out that report, the legacy media really paid attention, and they did it to totally discredit me. Like, how dare you? In Canada, we never talk about politicians, families, and all this kind of stuff, which, you know, maybe that's a fair point. Except for that. That's not true. They go after Anna, Pollyv, Kira, Polyev's wife all the time. They used to go after Stephen Harper for the way that he treated his children. Remember when he gave his son Ben a handshake on the way to school? And that was, you know, the top news story in the. In the country. Of course they go after politicians, families, but when I did it, it was totally off, off, off, you know, unacceptable and out of bounds. And they condemned me from the highest rooftop for that. And so that's when they pay attention to us, when they're outraged over something that we report.
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A
Yeah, there's a real clubbiness to it. I mean, there's something on CBC called the At Issue Panel, and it's normally Rosemary Barton in Ottawa, Andrew Corn in Toronto, Althea Raj, who was Trudeau's authorized biographer in Ottawa, and another lady whose name Chantaly Bear from Montreal. It's been that same. And they're starting to resemble each other. It's like old married couples that start to look like each other. I think these least three or four of them are starting. In my mind, they're all blending together and they haven't. There's. That's like a pond that hasn't had fresh water coming into it in 20 years. And just geographically. Right, it's just like nothing west of Toronto. But of course, the entire ideological spectrum from A to B, like, it's just. I mean, I don't know how many people watch that, but my theory is they only care about one person watching it, the Prime Minister. And if. If it's okay by him, it's okay by cbc. I don't know. I just, like, surely there's someone younger, someone newer, some. Someone representing, like.
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B
I don't know.
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A
I just. You have Trudeau's literal biographer on the panel, but the closest thing you get to a conservative is Andrew Coyne, who rages against Pierre Poliev every week.
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B
Well, and calls. Calls me far right. Calls you far right. I mean, to him, you know, he's. He's so far to the left that any. Anyone to his right is far right. So it's so absurd.
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A
I don't know. It's just. I feel like they're stuck in amber, you know what I mean? Like a bug that was caught in the SAP and it was petrified and that nothing's changed over there. And nothing will change as long as they can convince Mark Carney, like they convinced Trudeau that they will be worth their weight politically. I mean, when you think about CTP is the same way. I read Bell Canada's annual Report, that's a huge company. And the annual report was, I don't know, I'm going to guess 50 pages long. They didn't even have one page about CTV News. They had like a paragraph. It's not important to them as a business, as a mission. They're all about the Internet and cell phones. It's clear to me that the only reason Bell Canada subsidizes CTV News is as a political tool to do favors for the regime because they're such a regulated company. I don't know. I look at up all the regulated tv, I look at all the subsidized newspapers, and I think they're not actually about selling eyeballs to advertisers or selling news to consumers. They're about selling political massaging of the truth to Justin Trudeau or Nemour Carney. Like, it's not what you think. What you think is for sale is not what's for sale. It's like Facebook, you are for sale. I think that's the modern mainstream media. You are being politicized year round. I don't know. I'm rambling on a little bit, but I think that's the only reason these panels make sense.
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B
Yeah, I think, I think you've got. You kind of hit the nail on the head there, right? It's like it exists just to make them feel important that they have access to the Prime Minister and that they can have them on the show and that the prime minister then feels important because he gets invited on the show and they get to promote the ministers. And it's all just one big, you.
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A
Know, and they have lobbyists on. They call them strategists. Yeah, lobbyists. And they don't disclose who they're lobbying for.
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B
It's crazy, right? No, this is like. This is kind of like the problem of Canada in a nutshell, right? It's like. It's like there's these few kind of powerful families and powerful people that kind of control everything, and everyone just kind of does as they're told. And the, you know, elite class isn't very elite. They're not very creative or imaginative or smart. They just kind of, you know, do what they've always done without the need to change. And I, you know, I think that this is this major problem in the Canadian economy as well is that they just don't want to innovate, they don't want to change, they don't want to move forward. You know, you can talk about pipelines, you can talk about resource development, you can talk about the future of the country and just sort of lack of productivity. You know, the idea that we have to have mass immigration just to grow the economy. Canadians don't want to have kids so they have to have like important third world in here to, to replace them all. Yeah, there's just, there's so many problems and you look at the ruling class, you think, you know, these people, they don't really have what it takes to get us out of this. And I think that's why again, why what we do is so important because we shine a light on it all and help people make sense of it. That it doesn't have to be that way. That you can have startups and you can have competition, you can have other voices and other people out there doing this thing. We could probably actually do it better than they can.
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A
True north started as a public policy thinking, focusing on immigration. Tell me a little bit about your thoughts on immigration in 2026. Because I think it's so unsustainable and I think that there is a sourness in the public mood. Canada used to be friendly towards immigration. I think that. And now the head of the so called Century Initiative which wanted to triple Canada's population, he's been appointed a handpicked appointee by Carney. I think he's the new ambassador to the States. Like there is still a runaway train there. What are your thoughts?
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B
Yeah, it's kind of scary actually because it's like, I think for the liberals the solution is just, just always more immigration. Any problem, any, any issue. It's like, well, we just need more, more people, just get more bodies in. And as long as people are willing to come to Canada, we will pay for them. We'll literally give them everything they need. We'll pay. We'll buy their bed sheets, we'll buy their apartment, we'll buy their car, we'll put them everything.
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A
And it's indiscriminate. They're bringing in.
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B
I mean, I'm not saying they don't care. They don't care where you're from. They don't care anything. Just come on in.
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A
They don't even interviews anymore. It's just all, click a few buttons on a website, you're done. It's, there's no actual years ago they gave up interviewing people. They just don't do it.
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B
They don't do it and they don't even ask anything of you. Right. It's literally like, just come, don't worry, we'll pay for you. You'll have A nice life. We'll take care of you.
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A
And free health advertise. There was a tweet by Immigration Canada mentioning come to Canada for free health care. They're not even hiding it.
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B
And that's just the beginning. I mean, you can go through reports of just all the things that they get. No, it's. I was thinking about this the other day as Riv, because I remember I was on your show probably 10 years ago talking about the Syrian refugee strategy. And at the time, Kelly Leach had this controversial idea that we should screen newcomers for their values. And I said, of course they should. Of course that should be the bare minimum. You know, you should have to have like, what is Canada other than a shared set of values and ideas? Right. If we're not an ethnic race of people. Right. We're not a nation in the true sense. We've always sort of been a mix of different people, but we have a shared worldview and a shared ideology. And so 10 years ago it was like, I think that you have to share that worldview in order to come to Canada. And in the last 10 years, we've just seen the absolute consequences of complete open door immigration, wide open, indiscriminate, as you said. And I think there's a much deeper problem that requires a much bigger solution. Right. Like I was actually talking to, not to get too personal, but my, my brother, his family live in a suburb of Vancouver. My other brother and his family live in a suburb of Toronto. And, and my nephew in Vancouver is the only white child in his class, the only white boy. And I was talking to my sister in law and she said that one of her daughters is also the only white girl in her class. They're in an entire school where there's no Canadians. Basically everyone is an immigrant. Everyone's from the world. Look, I think it's fine. I think it's great to have a Chinese family and an Indian family. And it's interesting. But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about everybody from a different culture, everybody from a different place. And Canadians, I don't know, I guess they're moving to the excerpts and they're getting further and further away from these cities. I think Kenya has a real problem and I think it's very obvious to everybody that we don't really have any shared values anymore. We don't really have anything holding us together. It's going to be a huge, we're going to need a huge. There's going to be backlash. It's already here. It's already coming. I think most Canadians opposed to it. I think we do need an immigration moratorium. I think that we should consider offering people money to go back to their country. I think that remigration is something that we should consider because even just the cost of living in Canada, the like, we shouldn't be paying people to come here. We shouldn't be. If you want to come to Canada, you have to make a sacrifice and work really, really hard and earn up enough money so that you can live here. That should be what immigration is all about. Not we're going to bribe you to come here. And don't worry if you can't afford, we'll just keep paying you forever and ever. That's just so backwards and so wrong. Ezra.
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A
You know, in my trips to the uk, I've watched Nigel Farage, who first became famous for leading the UKIP party that led the Brexit reprentice, him. And then now he's the head of something called Reform uk. And over month after month I see him getting bolder and bolder. Now he's talking about remigration, now he's talking about massive deportations. It's taken him a while to work up to it because he's very careful. Like he's such a careful, pragmatic guy. Every single poll for the last year puts him in first place. If they were in election now, he would win a majority. And it's because now he's in a by election. He had, you know, deep labor stronghold. Stop the ships, you know, freeze immigration. Stop the ships. And he's gone beyond freeze immigration. He's talking about deportations. He is the number one for a year now, the number one in the polls. Do you think Pierre Poliev could or should do that? My theory is be controversial, be radical. The media is going to have a controversy or a scandal no matter what. Choose it. Yeah, make it on immigration. Because so many people quietly agree.
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B
Right. And I think that there's a way to do it. Right. I think Pierre is a careful person and I think that he was too careful in the election. I think that he should have been bolder. He should have come out when, you know, obviously it was a difficult issue to navigate with, with President Trump saying what he was saying about 31st day. It wasn't easy, but Pierre was just kind of caught flat foot, didn't want to say eventually just kind of copied the Liberals and did what they do. So I think, I think he needs to, to be bolder and I wish that immigration was one of those issues that he would take on. Maybe, maybe he doesn't need to go as far as I do with re migration. But I do think that people who came here as students, I mean, that program is a total failure. They need to leave, they need to go home.
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A
And it's important workers for positions that are not necessary, that we could hire Canadians for.
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B
Exactly. So really it's not even a matter of whether it's the right thing to do. I think all conservatives know that it is. And more and more Canadians. I think, I think Pierre does need to kind of wake up on the immigration issue.
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A
And he's scared because they'll call him racist.
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B
Exactly. Yeah. And. And you know what? He just needs to get over that.
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A
And I think you're gonna call him that anyways.
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B
I think. Yeah. And they do. And they'll call him extreme and a populist and far right, even though he's the furthest from that. So, yes, I think that if, if Pierre really wants to carve out a place for himself, it's tough. Right. Because I think, you know, Mark Carney doing what he's doing, making these deals, it looks like he's gonna going to somehow be able to pull a majority out of a minority and he's going to govern, you know, in a way that Canadians might see as stable. Pierre has to do something, otherwise I don't see him staying on his leader. And I think that could be disastrous for the Conservative Party. So I hope, I hope he's listening. I hope he will take immigration as an issue and really carve out a position that's very different from the liberals. And this is something that I think he can get Canadians on his side. Forget about the media, forget about what they're going to say about you, and just do the right thing. It ties to so many of the things that Pierre talks about, the cost of living. And you know, Pierre's always been very strong, anti radical, you know, against the crazy Hamas next celebrating. And all those people have to go out. We were talking a bit about free speech. Absolutist. Because you've always been a free speech. Absolutely. I think free speech is so important, but at the same time there has to be consequences to that speech. Right.
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A
So if you're a foreign national.
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B
Right.
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A
If you're here as a student or temporary worker and instead of coming in on those conditions every Saturday, you go scream at Jews, get out.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, that's what Trump's doing. He's not kicking out citizens if you're here as a special guest and you decide instead to go on a political war against America or some Americans get out, I think that would calm and cool off our whole country. Because I'm worried about a terrorist attack. I mean, I just am. We don't have none of the Jewish schools or synagogues have armed guards. Like, I'm just, I, I, I think we're sleepwalking towards a crisis. Do you think there's gonna be an election next year?
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B
I don't think so. I think, I think that the Liberals, you know, it's so this is just something that, like, you never hate the elite as much, right? Like, like you think you hate them, but you need to hate them much, much more. Right. The fact that Mark Carney just came in, he was confident from day one. He knew he was gonna win the election, even though he was way behind in the polls. He inherited Justin Trudeau's disastrous legacy and party, but he was like, you know what? He wouldn't have come in if he didn't know. Right. He knew that the legacy media was on his side. He knew that the CBC was there, they were going to work into overtime, and that Canadians were going to fall for this narrative and this scheme and that propaganda works. Propaganda is a hell of a drug, and it works. And we saw it work on the Canadian public. The elbows up crowd. I've never seen anything like that. A group of people just so hooded.
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A
And, you know, it's boomers. So young people are, I mean, I saw the latest poll from David Coletto of Abacus. Young people are still solidly conservative. It's the boomers who have their house, who don't like Trump's style and think Pierre Poliev is a little bit of a brat or something, right? Boomers.
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B
Yeah. And so it's like watching those people operate, right? Like, you know, the guy in the election, the meme of the old man with the middle finger, that was just like perfectly encapsulated. Like, what's wrong with the Canadian that, that class. Not all boomers, because there's a lot of really, you know, used to be boomers that were more conservative and that they were the ones that were voting for Stephen Harper as well. So anyway, I think that Mark Carney is a smooth operator. You know, he's going to do what he has to do. Maybe he'll make some sacrifices to his Liberal base and I hope we get some pipelines built. The memorandum of understanding, you know, Danielle Smith seems to be pretty optimistic about it. And I'LL take her cues. And I just, I don't think that they're going to have an election. I think that Mark Carney is going to govern for four years as if he had a majority and that, that, you know, Pierre will have one last chance. Pierre Pollyville have one more chance to win. I hope hopefully by then the country won't have completely destroyed itself and will be kind of hopefully going in a better direction. Pierre will have that opportunity. But no, I think that, that this is, this is where the liberals are, are just, you know, they're, they're so clever, Ezra. They're too clever for their own good. They're used to getting their own way. They operate behind the scenes in shadowy ways and they will make sure that they maintain control and power probably until either Mark Carney can get reelected or. I don't know. I've heard that he only wants to do one term and that he's going to leave after that and maybe he'll bring in a new candidate. But I do think that, that he will govern for four years.
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A
Yeah, well, he's a real operator, that's for sure. Great to see you. Thanks for visiting. Good luck with True North. Good luck with Juneau. Keep us posted on how those things go. We love what you're doing and I for one, am glad that it's not lonely as it was 10 years ago when we were the only conservative or independent media in the country. And I wish you guys good luck.
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B
Well, thank you so much, Ezra. Thanks for inviting me in the studio. Happy Hanukkah and merry Christmas to the audience and always look forward to continuing to work with you and the great work that you do over at the Rebel.
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A
Well, thanks to the feelings mutual. Well, there you have it. Our show for the day. Until next time, on behalf of all of us at Rebel world headquarters, see you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.
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B
SA.