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EZRA LEVANT | Donald Trump goes to war against Iran ... and Canada’s Liberals take three different positions on it
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Ezra Levant
Shame on you, you censorious bug. Big show today. I'll give you my thoughts on Israel and America attacking Iran and then half a dozen other Arab countries joining the battle, too. I'll talk to you about. Well, I have two, actually, two interviews after that. One is with an Alberta cabinet minister in charge of cutting red tape. And I'm excited about the press release he sent out yesterday. I'll take you through it. And then finally, I encountered the Ontario Solicitor General at a synagogue in Toronto that had been shot up by terrorists. And I asked him some questions and I was not pleased with his answers. Let's see what you think about it. That's all I had. But first, let me invite you to become a subscribe to Rebel News Plus. It's the video version of this podcast. I really want you to see me scrum this Ontario Solicitor General. It's just eight bucks a month to become a subscriber. And not only do you get great content, but you support Rebel News because we get no government money and it shows. Oh, hi everybody. It's great to be back in the chair here. Thanks to my friend Sheila Gun Reid for covering yesterday. I was actually in court. I'll tell you that story another day. But I have been riveted following things, monitoring the situation as the phrase is, as the whole world has, watching America and Israel and other countries get into a major battle with Iran. Just incredible news. I mean, it started when the US And Israel attacked the Islamic Republic of Iran in the daytime. Normally, those countries launched their attacks in the night for reasons of maximum surprise and confusion, but they did it this time because they had intelligence about where the Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei, was, and they blew him up. And pretty much everyone of senior rank. Hundreds of aircraft took off from two US Aircraft carriers in the region, as well as a variety of on the ground US Military bases where US jets have been moved to over the past few weeks. They've been flying over from North America to Europe to the Middle east with jet refueling tankers fueling those flights. They're making a very long flight. Some of the bombers, like the B1s and B2 stealth bombers, start and finish in the United States. To this day, there's a lot of US Bases in the Middle east, including in Qatar, which I have always found odd given how supportive Qatar is to terrorist groups like Hamas. But it was an overwhelming attack on Iran and it was informed by deep military intelligence about Iran's leadership. I read in the Financial Times that Israel even hacked the traffic cameras in Tehran so they could watch various vehicles, various people coming and going. Ponder just for a minute. I want to play you a short clip here by Trey Yings to Fox, who's doing great reportage. Just watch this for 40 seconds and think about it. The ground just outside of Tel Aviv.
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Dale Nally
Good morning, Trey.
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Bill Dana
Yeah, Bill Dana, good morning. I do want to just start with some breaking news here before I show you the scene of one of these cluster munition impacts just outside of Tel Aviv. But I'm told by a senior Israeli official that the Israelis just struck the Supreme Court Supreme Council gathering where the Iranians were meeting to choose a new supreme leader. This is a significant development. And again speaks to the Israeli intelligence about this war. They just targeted the meeting in Tehran where what's left of the leadership was gathering to choose a new supreme leader.
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Ezra Levant
That's just incredible. I mean, this is a story of technological superiority, but it's also a story of, of human intelligence. I mean, knowing where the secret vote was going to be to choose the next supreme leader and getting that information fast enough to bomb it in real time. So it's technological superiority. It's also informational superiority. I understand there have been a few friendly fire incidents. I saw an F15 pilot get shot down over Kuwait. And it was, she was actually, it was a woman pilot. She was happily received by, by the Kuwaiti who found her. I understand that as of now, the total casualties on the US Side are six military servicemen. And of course, I very much regret that. But that is a miraculously light casualty rate for such an enormous operation. Thousands of sorties against a foe that has been planning and preparing for this war for decades with enormous help from Russia and China. It's just amazing. Now there's no boots on the ground. It's. Trump said on the first day when he explained his goals, it's to destroy the regime. It's to destroy the ballista missiles, their nukes, their navy. But after that, he said very clearly it's up for ordinary Iranians to seize the day, to seize the government and make it theirs. And he said it was actually a beautiful speech. Trump sometimes, you know, makes the speeches about himself, but this speech was very much telling Iranians, this is your one chance and you may not have another one for generations. And I think he's right.
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Donald Trump
When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take.
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Ezra Levant
There have been no mass casualties on the American side because it's not a ground invasion. There is no world police effort like the Americans. So foolishly did in Afghanistan or Iraq. It's a lot more like what Trump just did to Nicolas Maduro, the tyrant in Venezuela. They just snatched the top guy and they were out in two hours from beginning to end. Now, what they did there is they forced the regime to follow a new path in that Nicolas Maduro's number two was happy to save her life and to become America's puppet and to go to work for America because she didn't want to die. And no one in Venezuela is part of a cult. Not so in Iran, where the leadership are cult like they're part of a suicidal Siyat section Shia sect. Say that quickly three times. And you know, the idea, for example, of mutually assured destruction, which kept the peace for two generations during the Cold War, was neither America nor the Soviets would fire at each other because they knew the retaliation would wipe each other out. Iran doesn't have that limitation because they all want the jihad to come and they want to go get their 72 virgins as a reward. So no one in the Iranian regime could be trusted to do what Maduro's number two did, handing over the keys to the kingdom. I mean, really, if you ask not just Iran, but their leadership, what is your primary mission? They will tell you it's to destroy America, to destroy the west, to destroy Israel, which they regard as part of the west because those are fountains of liberal humanity as opposed to a sharia theocracy. They hate America precisely because it is not so submissive to Allah. This is not my theory or my interpretation. This is what they believe. That's why they chant Death to America, because they see America as the counterweight to what they want to have happen in the world. So you can't just have the ayatollah's deputy take over. You need to get rid of the entire Islamic theocracy. Luckily, 80% plus of Iran hates the theocracy and love America's liberation war. Iran responded in some strange ways, though. I mentioned that they, you know, there were some Arab states. Those Arab states were typically keeping a low profile. Some of them even said to the United States, please don't use Arab bases or overfly our territory. But Iran lashed out, firing missiles and drones at a dozen fellow Muslim countries, the uae, Qatar, Saudi Arabia. And many of those countries immediately changed from being somewhat neutral or deferential to condemning Iran. And some of them actually joining militarily. Allegedly, Qatar and Saudi Arabia joined. I'm not sure how useful they were or how effective they were, but they certainly said they were going to Return fire in a maximum way. That's going to pose a bit of a pickle for Tucker Carlson who has been so in love with Iran and so in love with Qatar. He, he actually bought a house in Qatar and now his dear Qatari homeland is at war with Iran. So like when mom and dad are fighting with each other, you just sort of hate it and you wish they would make up. That's Tucker Carlson. When Qatar and Iran are fighting Oman also, Oman's a small country. It actually was hosting the negotiations, the peace talks between America and Iran and they were attacked too. Now all of them have basically turned against Iran. I don't think Iran has any friends in the world other than Russia and China. And both of them have said, yeah, we're not getting involved in this mess. But Iran still has some capacity. I mean, they are much wealthier, say than Afghanistan. They are much more high tech. So they had a missile program and certainly a drone program, and they lobbed missiles and drones at the region. For example, you know that very fancy hotel in, in Dubai, the one that looks like a giant sailboat, that's called the Burj Arab, it got hit by a drone. A fancy hotel in Dubai, the Palm, Fairmont Palm Hotel, very fancy. Got hit with an attack by Iran, the Dubai Airport, Cyprus, which is fairly far away, that's a pretty long range attack. There has also been one apartment that was hit in Israel and understand the death toll from that alone was nine. Now there's a new weapon on the Israeli side as well. It's called the Iron Beam. You've heard of the Iron Dome where they shoot anti missiles at rockets. But the math there is those rockets on the Hamas side cost maybe a few hundred bucks, whereas the anti rocket, the iron dome, is 100,000. So just from sheer economics, if you threw up 50 or 100, you know, low tech rockets and you made The Israelis spend 50 or 100 Iron Dome rockets, I mean, it's just unsustainable. On the Israeli side, Iron Beam is a laser. And as you can see in this footage, the rockets are coming from the left and they're going up quickly and then they're getting zapped by the laser. It's the first operational deployment of Iron Beam ever. And I understand that each shot costs less than a dollar, which is sort of amazing. It changes the math on that and it looks quite effective, doesn't it? Now one of the things that I think has become clear is how interoperable the US and Israeli militaries are. Now it's One important reason for that is they have the same equipment. Israel buys almost exclusively American weapons, the F15 and the F16 and now the F35. And those are all very modern weapons, especially the F35. And they can work together because that's the same aircraft that America uses. America also has the F22s, which they don't let any other countries have. But Israel and the US were coordinating at the highest levels. In fact, Benjamin Netanyahu and Donald Trump themselves were coordinating constantly over the last year. And it made me wonder if any other two countries in the world could do that. The UK maybe on their Air Force side, but they weren't really allowed to. I don't know if you watch Keir Starmer, he's the Labour Prime Minister of the uk. He's just awful. I really got to know him by how awful he is towards freedom of speech and Tommy Robinson and things like that. But he's just done some shocking things. And I should tell you, just a week ago there was a by election in a Labor stronghold and labor lost to a party, believe it or not, the Green Party. Labor came in third, the Green Party came in first. And it was a bizarre Green Party. The leader is a Jewish leftist who's secular and anti Israel, but the deputy leader is a hardcore Islamic fundamentalist who says things like lend Gaza your vote. So you've got a self hating secular Jewish environmentalist and a hardline theocrat Muslim. That's the Green Party in the UK and they won the by election. The Muslim vote is now large enough in dozens of districts in the UK that they don't need to vote for labor anymore. They don't need to vote for a Labour Party. They can win on their own as an independent or with this new Muslim Jewish led pro Islam party, the Greens. It's sort of incredible. And I think that was on Keir Starmer's mind when he made his first announcement emphasizing, we didn't do it, we're not part of it. Here, take a quick look.
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Keir Starmer
We must not lose sight of them and the need for peace, justice and security in Palestine and Israel. But on Iran, I want to make clear the UK was not involved in the offensive strikes of the US and Israel. And that remains the case. As many of you will know, I never supported the Iraq war back in 2003. I'm determined that we learn and follow the lessons. Today, however, Iran has attacked Palestine, countries like us who played no role and many countries across the Middle east, they have made no distinction. The attacks are indestructible and so what we're now doing is allowing our bases to be used for the defensive purposes of preventing those attacks and protecting innocent lives, because that is what we need to do to support our Middle Eastern allies who have asked us for support. And that is how we protect British civilians caught in the crossroads.
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Ezra Levant
So Starmer first started out by saying, we have nothing to do with it. And then he actually refused to let America use the American bases in the UK Saying it was illegal. And then they said, okay, we're not going to attack Iran, but we're going to defend against Iranian missiles. And then they banned the US from using it. Just went back and forth and, and it was, he was a flipper flopper. And I think Donald Trump had had it. Here's Trump today talking about Keir Starmer. Take a look.
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Donald Trump
I'm not happy with the UK either. That island that you write about, the lease, okay, he made it, for whatever reason, he made a lease of the island. Somebody came and took it away from him. And it's taken three, four days for us to work out where we can land. There would have been much more convenient landing there as opposed to flying many extra hours. So we are very surprised this is not Winston Churchill that we're dealing with.
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Ezra Levant
Oh, yeah, I think that's pretty rough. Qatar and other countries who have benefited so much from the US Originally said the same thing too, said that Trump could not use their bases or, or fly over them. And what's the point of having a big air base in Qatar if some Qatari dictator at the last minute can say, oh, you can't actually use it. Thanks for pouring billions of dollars into our economy and protecting us, but we're actually not going to let you use your own equipment. Israel obliged, I think for the first time allowing a large number of jets to operate from Israel. I mean, what's the point of a Qatari air base if you can't use it? But the same can be said of the UK including the United Kingdom and the US share an island in the Pacific called Diego Garcia. And that's where a lot of the B52s and B1s and B2s operate out of. It's a very strategic island. And Keir Starmer first wanted to sell that island to a Chinese oriented African country and then he said, no, America can't use it. And I think it was just frustrating. Donald Trump, who sees Keir Starmer as an unserious man who, who's not truly part of the Western alliance, but if you think Keir Starmer's bad? Spain's Prime Minister, Pedro Sanchez literally banned America from operating out of their base there. Portugal, by the way, jumped in and said, oh, we'll be America's friend. Here's Trump on Pedro Sanchez and Spain. Trump basically said, all right, go it alone because no market access to you. Here's Trump on Spain.
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Donald Trump
Some of the European. Like Spain has been terrible. In fact, I told Scott to cut off all dealings with Spain. Spain, first of all, it started when every, every European nation, at my request, paid 5%, which they should be doing. And everybody was enthusiastic about it. Germany, everybody. And Spain didn't do it. And now Spain actually said that we can't use their bases and that's all
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Ezra Levant
right, we don't want to.
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Donald Trump
We could use their base if we want. We could just fly in and use it. Nobody is going to tell us not to use it, but we don't have to. But they were unfriendly and so I told them we don't want to. Spain has absolutely nothing that we need other than great people. They have great people, but they don't have great leadership. And as you know, they were the only country that in NATO would not agree to go up to 5%. I don't think they would have agreed to go up to anything. They wanted to keep it at 2% and they don't pay the 2%. So we're going to cut off all trade with Spain. We don't want anything to do with Spain.
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Ezra Levant
You can agree or disagree with this war. I find it hard to disagree with it. It's almost cost free to America. It's very quick. It's supported by the overwhelming number of Iranians. Iran has killed over a thousand Americans over the last 47 years, since the Islamic Revolution, by the way, they've killed 57 Canadians just in the last few years by shooting down civilian airliner. They funded Hezbollah and Hamas, which between them have launched so many terror attacks on the world. To say that America and Israel declaring war on Iran is. Is sort of accurate, but it's probably more accurate to say they are. They are joining the war that Iran declared against them 47 years ago. I say again, the whole mission of the theocratic state in Iran is to destroy liberal democracy. That's why they hate America and anything American. Ish. Sort of interesting to see who the friends and allies are. And I've seen an excellent analysis online that shows that removing Venezuela and Iran from China's orbit will very much affect those countries, especially when it comes to oil reserves. Tucker, as I mentioned, is having a tough time, and I really think he's disgraced himself. And I think Donald Trump has made it clear that he doesn't really pay attention to Tucker Carlson. How can you not support 90 million people moving from Islamic theocracy to something more secular, more free? How is that not a win, just morally for the universe? It's almost on the scale of the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall falling. I mean, they had almost 300 million people all together, the Eastern bloc, But more than 90 million Iranians about to be free. I just think that's miraculous. And most importantly, removing the nukes and the ballistic missiles that were propped up by China, removing oil from China. I just think the world is so much safer and is about to become so much freer. And I think Cuba's next. I mean, Donald Trump, he will have a legacy that's a lot bigger than the smears targeted against him. So where's Canada? I haven't mentioned Canada yet, and I think it's because Canada has nothing to do or say. I mean, the UK has chosen to be irrelevant, but Canada is irrelevant by. We don't have a choice in it. I mean, no one in the past week has said, what does Canada think about this? No one asked. No one cared. No one briefed Canada. I see the complaints that Mark Carney and others are doing the Keir Starmer thing. We weren't part of the attack. We didn't even know about it. Yeah, why would. It's like General Norman Schwarzkopf said in the first Gulf War, going to war without the French is like going fishing without your accordion. That was his joke. I mean, the French actually aren't even that bad, and they were better than the Brits. This time, our media are traveling with Mark Carney. He's in Australia today, I think, and he's refused to do a scrum or an interview in a week. Like, the world is changing. Everything's up in the air in Iran. Around the world, there's so many Canadian stories.
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Dale Nally
But.
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Ezra Levant
But Mark Carney has simply chosen not to lower himself to talk to journalists. And I love seeing them complain. Now they know how rebel news feels when we're blacklisted by the pmo. Carney said in his first statement that he was for America, and it was actually sort of a bold statement. It was clearly written for him in Washington.
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Anita Anand
Canada's position on the developments in the Middle east remains clear. The Islamic Republic of Iran. Iran is the principal source of instability and terror throughout the Middle East. It has one of the world's worst human rights records and must never be allowed to obtain or develop nuclear weapons. Canada and our international partners have called consistently upon the Iranian regime to end its nuclear program, including at the G7 summit in Kananaskis and with the United nations reimposition of sanctions this past September, we've sanctioned over 250 Iranian entities. We've listed the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a terrorist entity. And despite numerous diplomatic efforts, Iran has neither fully dismantled its nuclear program, halted all enrichment activities, nor ended its support for regional terrorist proxy groups. Canada stands with the Iranian people in their long and courageous struggle against this oppressive regime. And we reaffirm Israel's right to defend itself. Canada supports the United States acting to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and to prevent its regime from further threatening international peace and security. And the Canadian government urges the protection of all civilians in this conflict.
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Ezra Levant
And then Anita Anand, our foreign Minister, added to that, saying they wanted a diplomatic solution. Diplomatic with whom? Who are you negotiating with? So should Donald Trump stop the war and stop, like they're bombing the regime? They don't want to negotiate it with it, they want to replace it. Why would you negotiate with the regime now?
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David McGinty
First and foremost, Canada wasn't involved. We weren't notified, and we do not have an intention to be involved in any military strikes or operation. We share the concern of the United States and many other countries relating to Iranian nuclear proliferation. And in fact, we've called on Iran for a number of years to cease proliferating in terms of its nuclear capacity. That's why we have not had diplomatic relations with Iran for 15 years. At the same time, we prefer a diplomatic solution. This is why I have spent the last two days speaking with my counterparts across the Middle east and and in the Gulf states, from Jordan to Qatar to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to UAE and all of my G7 counterparts, stressing that Canada believes in a diplomatic and peaceful solution. And as soon as possible, we would like parties to get to the table.
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Ezra Levant
And then they rolled out this guy, David McGinty, who used a new word. He wanted a ceasefire. Here, take a look at that. We've been following the situation in Iran for quite a while carefully. We're getting just in time updates on the situation in the Middle east now. And the Prime Minister and the government decided from the beginning of this that we would support this incursion. But we're also calling for a diplomatic end to it. We very much would prefer to see
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Anita Anand
peace and a ceasefire that's what my
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Ezra Levant
colleague, Minister Anand, is driving forward now with her colleagues around the world. And so we'll see where this takes us. Canadians know this is a difficult, complicated and unfortunate situation. We would all rather see peaceful dialogue. But we have a situation now where two countries, two sovereign countries have decided to prosecute a war. Canada's not involved in that war at this time. So Carney said he supports America. Anand says they want diplomacy. How? With who? Just you're gonna just negotiate a little side deal and what can you give or get? And then Dalton McGinty said ceasefire. He's probably used to saying that because that's what they kept saying to Israel during the war against Hamas. So, yeah, Donald Trump is saving the world and Canada. We're just spectators. Stay with us for more. I got two big things to show you and a fun interview out of Alberta and a crazy interaction I had with an Ontario cabinet minister on the street. That's next.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
You know, you can tell how progressive or how woke a government is sometimes just by the names they give their cabinet ministers. The climate change minister for, for example, you know, there's gotta be one or two or three of those in a Liberal Party government. But here's my favorite title for a cabinet minister. I want to read it out correctly. We're about to talk with the minister of service, Alberta and red tape reduction. How awesome is that to introduce yourself as the guy in charge of red tape reduction. First of all, everyone's going to invite you to their parties because you're just the most refreshed. You're the only, you know the old saying, I'm from the government, I'm here to help. That's always a lie. But when you're talking to the minister of red tape reduction, maybe there's a little bit of a twinkle of hope there. And he joins us now.
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Ezra Levant
His name is Dale Nally and he's
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Sheila Gunn Reid
the MLA from Warrenville St. Albert. Mr. Nally, thanks so much for joining us on our show. It's nice to meet you.
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Dale Nally
Thanks, Ezra. It's a pleasure to be here. And you're right, my title gets a lot of attention when I go on trade missions to Asia, to Texas. They always comment on my title. They absolutely love it. Administer responsible for red tape production.
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Ezra Levant
Yeah, well, that's what we're talking about
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Sheila Gunn Reid
today because I got in my email box yesterday a press release jointly signed by you and Premier Danielle Smith. And it's about something I've taken an interest in. I'm not a smoker or a tobacco user myself. But a lot of people use those little pouches that they just sort of stick in their mouth and they don't make smoke and they don't. They have the nicotine, but they don't have the stuff that makes typically smoking so dangerous. They don't have the additives, they don't have the smoke and the tar. They just have the pure nicotine.
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Ezra Levant
And so a lot of people who
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Sheila Gunn Reid
are smokers use this to get off of smoking. But for some weird reason, a couple years ago, the federal liberals passed a rule that unlike cigarettes, unlike other nicotine, you've got to go into a pharmacy and talk to a pharmacist and you're only allowed one or two at a time or something. Tell me about this weird rule that
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Ezra Levant
the liberals brought in and tell me
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Sheila Gunn Reid
about your letter in response. And I love that it's under the banner of red tape reduction. Go ahead.
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Dale Nally
Yeah, well, we've just heard from Albertans. They think it's absolutely ridiculous that it's easier to buy cigarettes than it is nicotine pouches. You know, with the tobacco and all the chemicals. And we know that cigarettes are carcinogenic. With all of that, it's easier to buy cigarettes. And so it's ridiculous. Now tell you, when this happened was back in 2024, the federal government decided in their wisdom to take nicotine pouches where they were being sold in gas stations, in convenience stores and put them behind the counter in pharmacies. And here's what has happened. An unintended consequence is by making it so difficult to purchase them. Ezra, we've seen the illicit market just respond. If the legal market is not going to offer you an opportunity to fill this void than the illicit market will. And so today it's easier than ever for young people to buy nicotine pouches because they just go online, there's no age verification, it's delivered right to their front door.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
Yeah, you're right. I know a lot of young guys who just when they drive to the States, they load up and bring them across the border because everyone's got their own way of fighting this weird rule. I don't even get it because one of the central ideas of the Liberal Party of Canada was legalizing marijuana. I just don't understand how the same liberal brain can legalize marijuana but ban smokeless tobacco pouches that are designed to get people off of smokes. I just, I can only guess what the behind the scenes lobbying was like, but I'm not even interested in that. I just want to get that gone, you've written to the prime minister along with the premier. Is this something that falls under provincial jurisdiction? Because if I'm recalling, Health and hospitals is a provincial jurisdiction. Would this be something that you guys could move on on your own, or do you need the cooperation of the feds?
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Dale Nally
So what the feds have done is they've declared it a smoking cessation product and then written a ministerial order that it has to be behind the counter at pharmacies. And so that has essentially taken away the. The. The provinces from this. Now, I would make the case that if you want to be in your own lane, it's the federal government that should determine if it's legal.
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Ezra Levant
But.
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Dale Nally
But it's the provincial government that should determine where it's sold. And let's remember, Ezra, we have a system in place that has worked for decades, and that's the enforcement of tobacco. We sell cigarettes at convenience stores. It's age gated, it's behind the counter, it's behind a shelf. You can't even see it. And we even send in inspectors to convenience stores and gas stations, young people to try to buy cigarettes to see if they have to provide age verification. So we have a system that works. And the fact that the federal government has decided to ignore that and to try to come up with a new sales channel, it's not working.
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Ezra Levant
You know, I like that way of thinking.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
The feds can determine if it's legal at all, but once it is, let the provinces have their own approach to it. And I think that makes a lot of sense. I think it really is in keeping with Alberta's new spirit of if we have the constitutional jurisdiction, the let's use it, why are we letting Mark Carney and his Liberals, you know, the benefit
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Ezra Levant
of the doubt, why are we letting
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Sheila Gunn Reid
them ooze into the province just out of habit? I think that, you know, I'm sensing a lot of things from the Alberta government that feel like, whoa, that's refreshing, or that's a surprise. But actually, the surprise is that we've
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Ezra Levant
let the feds in, you know, the
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Sheila Gunn Reid
fox into the chicken coop for so long, they shouldn't be regulating these local and provincial matters at all. That's the weird thing.
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Dale Nally
No, it is. And you're right. And the Liberal government decisions are littered with unintended consequences. And that's what we're seeing here. I mean, only the federal Liberals could take a legal, regulated product and make it more difficult for adults to purchase and easier for kids to get. I mean, it would be Funny if it wasn't so serious, Ezra. And so for us, this is about getting it out of the hands of young people. But by reducing the illicit market, and this illicit market, there are no safeguards. There are no quality control checks. It's rampant, and we want to stamp that out. And we want to put nicotine pouches where they were sold previously without any difficulty, and that's inconvenience stores and gas stations. That's where it belongs.
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Ezra Levant
Yeah.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
Well, I know you just sent a letter yesterday, so there's no chance that you've got a reply from the Feds. Hopefully you'll get one sometime in 2026. I have some experience asking questions of your federal health minister.
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Ezra Levant
And. And she's not really quick off the draw to answer.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
Maybe she was just terrified of Rebel News. I don't know if you saw the
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Ezra Levant
question I put to her a few
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Sheila Gunn Reid
months ago in Calgary.
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Ezra Levant
It was sort of fun.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
But hopefully she'll give you and the premier a little bit more respect than she gave us. If they decline, if they take a hard line. And again, I don't even understand the thinking how some tobacco products are fine at the corner stores and others you need to fill out forms at the farmers. I just don't even get it. But if they are intransigent, which I think they might be, would you guys consider a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality? I mean, this isn't as big a deal as, say, a firearms registry or a carbon tax, but I think it's about the underlying point. Is this provincial sovereignty or not? And this is sort of a dumb regulation. I love your job title, Minister of Red Tape Production.
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Ezra Levant
Is this something.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
Or maybe you haven't plumbed this issue yet, but would you consider challenging their jurisdiction if they disagree with you here?
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Dale Nally
So let me just say that we're not there yet. It's too early. We're not taking anything off the table, but nor are we putting anything on the table either. We've taken the approach that, listen, let's try diplomacy first and let's try that avenue, and hopefully common sense will prevail. Because if you care about health and safety, if you care about getting nicotine products out of the hands of young people, then common sense has got to prevail. And we're just hoping that we can get that message across to the feds. And so that's why we're going to try the diplomatic approach first. Our public servants at the provincial and the federal level have been having conversations from a political perspective. We're just Starting those conversations now. I'm cautiously optimistic only because I can't believe, Ezra, that anyone would allow young people to have such ready access to nicotine products. And so. But if. If it doesn't work, if diplomacy fails, then we'll. We'll have to take a look and see what the next steps are.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
All right.
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Ezra Levant
Well, I look forward to staying on this issue.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
I'm very interested in it. And can you do me a favor? I'll sign up for your press release list because anything the minister of red tape production does is of interest to me. By definition. You'll finally some good news. Every month or so, I talked to my friend Franco Terrazzano at the Canadian
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Ezra Levant
Taxpayers Federation, and Franco's such a good
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Sheila Gunn Reid
guy, but it's always bad news. He always leaves me depressed. I'm hoping that if you do things, we can share it with our viewers, give them a little bit of hope
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Ezra Levant
out there that it's possible to actually
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Sheila Gunn Reid
trim the government, not just to always have a grow.
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Dale Nally
Absolutely, Ezra. We started this path in 2019. We had a goal of cutting tape by 33%. We've actually exceeded our goal. We've cut 35% of the red tape in this province. We've saved job creators $3 billion. And Albertans are routinely telling us how we've made life better for them because we are getting rid of that bureaucratic malaise, that unnecessary bureaucratic burden. Albertans love it, and it attracts investment and it creates jobs, and that's why we do it.
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Ezra Levant
Well, it's pretty exciting to me.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
You got a tough job when the
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Ezra Levant
regulations are coming from Ottawa, though, because
- [36:11]
Sheila Gunn Reid
they have a different sense of logic down there. Dale, Nelly, great to talk with you. Thanks very much. Congratulations on this initiative. Let's keep in to.
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Dale Nally
Thanks. Ezra,
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Ezra Levant
Last time, about your refusal to prosecute many of the hate crimes and the other crimes, the violence, and you put it on the federal government. Will you be doing anything this time, or is it just more thoughts and prayers?
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Ontario Solicitor General
No, we were very, very clear. The federal government has brought forward certain pieces of legislation that I think are very important. We want to make sure.
- [36:45]
Donald Trump
We want.
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Ezra Levant
You have all the laws already. If you're doing it again, you're blaming the feds you already have.
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Ontario Solicitor General
No, we're working with the feds, actually. And what we want to do. And as a result of the leadership of Premier Ford and our government, the federal government moved forward to toughen bail laws, and they toughened also the laws to define what a hate crime is.
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Ezra Levant
We've been charging people when people go marching through Jewish neighborhoods, you don't lay charges.
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Ontario Solicitor General
Listen, firstly, as a Solicitor General, I have a certain responsibility. I'm not the Attorney General, but what I can tell you is the safety of the Jewish community. As a keeper wearing Jew. As somebody that's proud to.
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Ezra Levant
You keep saying that as if I'm supposed to pay attention to your yarmulke instead of what you're not doing. People go hunting for Jews in your neighborhoods and you don't say anything other than I'm wearing a yarmulke.
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Ontario Solicitor General
What I've said many times, and it's very clear I take our public safety very seriously.
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Ezra Levant
But what are you going to do about it?
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Ontario Solicitor General
What we're going to do is to continue to make the investments in our police service and to continue to work collaboratively with the federal government.
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Ezra Levant
You're talking to me like I'm a child. Why haven't you laid charges?
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Ontario Solicitor General
Well, firstly, as a Solicitor General, that's not my.
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Ezra Levant
You set policy and you have refused to set policy that it's. You are allowing people of marching through Jewish neighborhoods, threatening harassment, and that's completely unacceptable. Well, you've accepted it.
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Ontario Solicitor General
Well, I'm here today.
- [38:05]
Ezra Levant
I'm here right at. To show off your yarmulke. That's why you're here. You haven't changed a thing.
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Ontario Solicitor General
Well, that's your opinion. I have worked very. Tell me one thing you've done, Solicitor General. To put more boots on the ground, to fight crime, to send a message.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
Not one arrest.
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Ezra Levant
When they walk through the Jewish neighborhoods. Not one arrest.
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Ontario Solicitor General
Then my suggestion is you should direct your concern, because I have as well, to the Federal Minister of Public.
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Ezra Levant
You're in charge of police in Ontario.
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Ontario Solicitor General
At which I don't direct and you know it.
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Ezra Levant
You haven't set the policy. You, You. Your policy is to allow people to walk through Jewish residential neighborhoods screaming at them.
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Ontario Solicitor General
Absolutely.
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Sheila Gunn Reid
And now you wanted.
- [38:38]
Ezra Levant
You want me to talk to the Federal Liberals.
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Ontario Solicitor General
I can tell.
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Ezra Levant
Tell me about your yarm again.
- [38:42]
Ontario Solicitor General
I can tell you this. There has never been a government that has ran on a platform, which we were elected for our third time last year to protect, onto Ontario. We're not going to stop.
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Ezra Levant
You haven't done a damn thing for the Jews. You haven't done a damn thing other than tell us you're Jewish.
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Ontario Solicitor General
That's. That's your opinion.
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Ezra Levant
People still walk through the neighborhoods screaming at Jews, and you're fine with that? Thank you.
- [39:03]
Donald Trump
Last question.
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Dale Nally
Thank you so much.
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Ezra Levant
Well, it wasn't too long before his Police shooed me away and I said, look, just pretend I'm a Hamas protester and bring me some coffee and donuts. Pretend I'm with Hamas. Then you would bring me donuts and coffee, wouldn't you? Big boy can bring me some donuts and coffee like you do for the Hamas types. Hey, welcome back again. Thanks to my friend Sheila Gunn Reed for covering the show yesterday when I was away. Here are letters that came in for her. Gary shouts and said, I get the impression the Rebel News wants Alberta to separate. Gary I think that Alberta going on its own would definitely be good for Alberta. I think it would actually help shake up Canada too because Alberta is such a gusher of money that it subsidizes the bad mistakes of the rest of the country because there's what, $20 billion a year that goes from Alberta to the feds. So it really has enabled so many bad things. And then there's the systemic problems. I think that it would be discombobulating for Alberta to leave. But I think like Czech and Slovakia probably be better off apart. I don't know. I mean, I was at an independence tour that Rebel News was putting on in Alberta and I noted that people who call themselves for Alberta independence, they're actually the most patriotic Canadians. They hate it when John A. Macdonald is stripped off our ten dollar bill, when statues are pulled down, when they call Canada a genocidal state, when they smear the country for the the mass graves hoax. I think that people on the right typically are patriotic like that. And every Alberta independence person I know is that kind of thing. They love patriotism, but they look at the denigration and the, I don't know, the falling apart of Canada and they say that's not who we are anymore. It's almost like we didn't separate from Canada. Canada separated from us. But I think you're right. I think you're right. Susan Ashburg says, great show, Sheila. Thank you. Well, I'm so glad Sheila filled in for me. Anthony Slaughty said, confederation is dead. Time for electoral reform now. You know, let me just touch on that for one second. The Reform Party under press demanding tried to get it at what they called a triple e. Senate elected effective and equal. I'm not sure that that would system importantly change Canada in any event, it hasn't moved a needle an inch in 30 years of trying. And then you look at the system we do have when you have an MP like Matt Genreau getting elected in Edmonton and then cutting a secret deal with the liberals to switch sides, undoing the clear intent of his voters, not explaining it, not having a by election, having no personal reason, just some, I don't know, bribe. What do they offer them? We don't know. And the message that sends to Alberta is play by the rules. And if you lose, you lose. But if you win, we'll make it so you lose also by bringing out some secret rules you didn't even know about. So I think that every time Mark Carney does something like that, it strengthens the appetite for Western independence. Well, that's our show for the day. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World headquarters, see you at home. Good night. Shame on you, you censorious bull.