EZRA LEVANT | EZRA LEVANT: Carney's WEF-style socialism will fail

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: Rebel News Podcast
Host: Ezra Levant
Title: Carney's WEF-style Socialism Will Fail
Date: November 15, 2025

This episode dives deep into Ezra Levant’s critique of Mark Carney’s “managed economy” vision for Canada, rooted in World Economic Forum (WEF) style “stakeholder capitalism.” Ezra argues such systems will falter, discusses Carney’s influence on major Canadian projects, and questions the effectiveness and morality of top-down economic management. The latter part of the episode features on-the-ground reporting by Drea Humphrey from British Columbia, where she covers the controversial claims of unmarked graves at Kamloops Indian Residential School and pushback against independent investigative journalism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "Carney Economy": Managed Capitalism vs. Free Markets

• Mark Carney’s Influence:
  Ezra critiques Carney’s increasing control over economic approvals, likening it to a “mob boss” scenario where, beyond complying with law and financing, businesses must meet Carney’s undefined preferences to move ahead.

  • "They may be complying with the law, they may have all the money they need, but if Mark Carney finds them boring, he won't approve them." — Ezra Levant [00:00]

• WEF and "Stakeholder Capitalism":
  He delineates the difference between “shareholder capitalism” (businesses run by owners) and “stakeholder capitalism” (decisions by various activist groups or government-appointed stakeholders, often at odds with financial efficiency).

  • "Stakeholder capitalism says no, because Greta Thunberg has something to say. And what about global warming?... It's not just about expertise." — Ezra Levant [06:31]

• ESG and DEI critique:
  Economic frameworks like ESG (Environmental, Social, Governance) and DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) are presented as distractions that prioritize quotas and political influence over merit and productivity.

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2. Carney’s Track Record and Global Trends

• Carney’s Projects Faltering:
  Ezra notes that even Carney’s high-profile global alliances (GFANZ: Global Financial Alliance for Net Zero) are unraveling, with financial institutions now seeking profitability over climate agenda compliance.

  • "Even Mark Carney's own project, which was called GFANZ... it's disbanded. All the banks...said, yeah, we're gonna go and make some money now." — Ezra Levant [08:41]

• Central Planning Analogy:
  Drawing on French economist Frederic Bastiat, Levant champions the spontaneous order of free markets over the chaos of central planning — arguing no single authority can rationally allocate resources for a complex economy.

  • "No person has that much knowledge. There is no person, even the smartest person in the world, that knows how to run the economy." — Ezra Levant [11:11]

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3. Carney’s Recent Announcements and Selective Project Approvals

• Approval Process as Political Theatre:
  A major theme is that Carney has granted selective approval for infrastructure and resource projects, but with little transparency or clear criteria — causing uncertainty and chilling investment.

  • "He’s not giving any explanations...He's like an oracle, he's like a grand wizard." — Ezra Levant [13:07]

• Pipeline Debate:

  • Carney is portrayed as dismissive of pipelines, calling them “boring,” which Levant decries as childish and dismissive of Canada’s economic backbone.
    • "Is this pipeline going to come so, so boring? It's not, actually." — Opposing Protester [18:04]
    • "Sorry we all can't be as riveting and scintillating and dynamic and so damn interesting as you are, Mark Carney." — Ezra Levant [19:31]

• LNG Facility Discussion:
  The one significant approved LNG project is said to provide little actual oil and gas industry benefit, and includes controversy over foreign ownership and manufacturing.

  • "Canada will be ready... But that will require major investment... [Silism] will also be one of the world's cleanest LNG operations..." — Mark Carney [20:29]

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4. Historical Parallels and Central Planning Pitfalls

• Comparisons to Stalin and Mao:
  Ezra draws hyperbolic parallels between modern central planning and historic disasters under Stalin and Mao, suggesting that political management of the economy leads inevitably to shortages, inefficiency, and sometimes catastrophe.
  • "Mao said...farmers, instead of farming for food...should make steel in their backyard. Well, Mao did, and it caused a famine. It was an economic disaster." — Ezra Levant [27:04]

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5. On-the-Ground Reporting: The Kamloops Graves Controversy

Drea Humphrey at Thompson Rivers University, Kamloops

• Context:
  Drea covers an event featuring Dr. Frances Widdowson, discussing the veracity behind the claims of 215 unmarked graves at the Kamloops Indian Residential School. The reporting is tense, with significant pushback from protesters and emotionally charged debates.

• Challenging the Narrative:
  The episode highlights a lack of excavation or physical evidence supporting the original claims, despite millions in taxpayer funding allocated for that purpose.

  • "The Kamloops band received $12.1 million...to dig. And they didn't use it for that. And the money's gone." — Drea Humphrey [37:26]

• Campus Tensions:
  Protesters accuse journalists and skeptics of “white nationalism,” “Nazism,” and “hatred,” wanting them off campus, while Drea and guests insist on open inquiry.

  • "Your hate isn't welcome." — Opposing Protester [36:57]
  • "All those kids who never came home have to be somewhere." — Opposing Protester [43:00]
  • "The narrative by mainstream media has been that these graves have been uncovered. And you and I both know that's not the case." — Drea Humphrey [41:03]

• Key Moment (47:01):
  When asked why it's so scary to discuss evidence and alternative views, a protester replies:

  • "It is scary and we are angry...because it is scary and we are angry."

• Calls for Evidence:
  Drea and her guests repeatedly request the actual excavation and forensic examination of the alleged graves.

  • "I just want to ask, what publication you work for." – Opposing Protester [44:14]
  • "If you take millions of tax dollars to do something and you don't, I report on it." — Drea Humphrey [44:38]
  • "Did you know that there's at least four other bands that have excavated? They thought there were unmarked graves and when they dug, they found nothing." — Drea Humphrey [47:31]

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps & Speaker Attribution)

• "They may be complying with the law, they may have all the money they need, but if Mark Carney finds them boring, he won't approve them."
  — Ezra Levant [00:00]

• "Stakeholder capitalism is different from shareholder capitalism... A stakeholder, well, that could be anybody..."
  — Ezra Levant [06:16]

• "Even Mark Carney's own project... GFANZ... it's disbanded. All the banks that were part of Mark Carney's plan to decarbonize... said, yeah, we're gonna go and make some money now."
  — Ezra Levant [08:41]

• "No person, even the smartest person in the world, that knows how to run the economy."
  — Ezra Levant [11:11]

• "So boring."
  — Mark Carney (on pipelines) [18:09]

• "Sorry we all can't be as riveting and scintillating and dynamic and so damn interesting as you are, Mark Carney."
  — Ezra Levant [19:31]

• "The Kamloops band received $12.1 million...to dig. And they didn't use it for that. And the money's gone."
  — Drea Humphrey [37:26]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening: Managed Economy Critique: [00:00]
• Explaining Stakeholder vs. Shareholder Capitalism & WEF’s Agenda: [05:15 - 09:30]
• Carney’s Project Approval, Pipeline Dismissal, and LNG Discussion: [13:44 - 23:40]
• Mao, Stalin & Lessons from Economic Central Planning: [25:00 - 28:00]
• Kamloops Unmarked Graves Controversy Coverage (w/ Drea Humphrey): [31:33 - 51:44]
  • Clashes & Notable Exchanges: [36:00 - 50:57]
• Closing Thoughts and Show Wrap: [51:44 - End]

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Tone and Language

The episode remains combative, heavily skeptical of government and globalist influence, and is often polemical and irreverent in style—consistent with Ezra Levant’s longstanding broadcasting persona. Drea Humphrey’s reporting is direct, persistent, and challenges the prevailing narratives head-on, while campus protesters are portrayed as emotionally charged and resistant to open debate.

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Summary

This episode is a multi-pronged critique of managed economies as exemplified by Mark Carney’s new role in Canada, connecting these trends both to globalist organizations like WEF and to the on-the-ground consequences for Canadian investment and social debate. The Kamloops segment underscores Rebel News’s commitment to scrutinizing widely accepted narratives and holding public institutions accountable, regardless of controversy or opposition.

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For listeners who haven’t tuned in, this episode offers a vivid look at the culture war over Canadian economic policy and historical truth, seen through the lens of Rebel News’s combative brand of independent journalism.

Transcript

[Ezra Levant]

Hello, my friends. We have a strange new economy. I don't know if you know it. Businesses need Mark Carney's personal approval before they're allowed to open. They may be complying with the law, they may have all the money they need, but if Mark Carney finds them boring, he won't approve them. And he doesn't really have any explanation for what he likes and what he doesn't like. It's all very personal, very third world. You know, El Jefe, the chief. Well, you have to get the mob boss's approval. It's very strange. I think it's going to fail. It's a managed economy, not a free economy. I'll take you through his latest statements. And then later, Dre Humphrey live on location from the interior of B.C. when. Oh, there's a. There's a bit of a scrap. I'm glad we had some security for it because there was some shoving and pushing. We'll show you that. But first, let me invite you to subscribe to what we call Rebel News Plus. It's the video version of this podcast. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com click subscribe. Eight bucks a month, and you'll see things that. I mean. I mean, when we interviewed Dre today, I want you to see what's happening to her, not just hear it. I want you to see her being pushed around a bit. Thank God we had security there to protect her. And to do that, you need the video subscription. So go to rebelnewsplus.com, eight bucks a month, which I know may not sound like a lot to you, but it sure adds up for us. All right, here's today's show.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

You're listening to a World news podcast.

[Ezra Levant]

Tonight, Mark Carney is bringing World Economic Forum style socialism to Canada, and it's not going to work. It's November 14th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

You fighting for freedom.

[Ezra Levant]

Shame on you. You censo.

[Mark Carney]

Sorry as fuck.

[Ezra Levant]

Oh, hi, everybody. I'm sorry I wasn't here yesterday. I was actually down for a few hours at Mar a Lago in Florida. I had been invited by James o', Keefe, formerly of Project Veritas, now with the o' Keefe Media Group, or omg. He's really, I think, America's leading undercover journalist. He's built a whole team of undercover journalists exposing scandals. And yesterday was his citizen journalism gala, and he invited me to attend, and I thought, well, I've got to go. And the fact that it was Mar a Lago, I think was very exciting. There was a chance the President would be there in the end there wasn't, but I still had to provide my details in advance for the Secret Service. I guess they're always on alert in case Trump does go down to his Florida home. It was a very fancy event as you can imagine it being at Mar a Lago. It was very large. I didn't count properly but I'd say there was between 500 and 1,000 people there. They even had an awards ceremony for best citizen journalist and some of our friends were there, including Andy Ngo who as you know, has been an expert on following antifa Savannah Hernandez. Anyway, that was very interesting to see. I think I know why he went fancy Mar a Lago and being, I guess, the fanciest. I think it's because citizen journalism is looked down on by the establishment, by snobby insiders. Oh, it's uncouth, it's uneducated. Where's your degree? Who do you think you are? Know your place. So a way to combat all that condescension and is to go to the fanciest, most powerful place you could think of. Mar a Lago is pretty fancy and powerful. Well, it's the President's home. So I think that was a deliberate strategy by James and his supporters to say, no, we're not nobodies, we're not outsiders. We are the media now. And it was exciting. There weren't. I don't think I saw, I saw one other Canadian down there. I saw people from other independent media was pretty cool. I think we should do the same thing in Canada and the Independent Press Gallery I think should give it a try again to recognize independent citizen journalism in Canada. It's not just rebel anymore. As you know, there's Juno and Western Standard and Epoch Times and. And then there's lots of sort of one person operations out there. It's growing not as densely as in America, but I think having an awards gala would serve the same purpose. It would recognize the work of independent journalists and it would maybe give a touch of fanciness if there was a gala with prizes. Anyhow, something to think about. Of course up here in Canada there are important things happening and in a moment we'll talk more with Drea Humphrey about what she's been reporting on from British Columbia about the unmarked graves controversy. But I can't get over what Mark Carney is saying in doing it's actually far worse than I thought it would be. He is doing exactly what he said he would do when he was a trustee at the World Economic Forum. The World Economic Forum. You might think, oh, it's capitalist, isn't it? I mean, all the billionaires go there. It's George Soros favorite place. It's Bill Gates favorite place. The world's largest Companies are there, BlackRock. And they're boss, Larry Fink is a trustee. So it would be easy to say those are all capitalists. That's right wing, as capitalism is typically called. But don't be fooled. I mean, you know in your bones that George Soros is not right wing. They believe in something there, that they've, they've invented a word. They do a lot of word inventing there. They've invented the phrase stakeholder capitalism. Well, that sounds pretty good. We're all stakeholders now. Stakeholder capitalism is different from shareholder capitalism. What's the difference between a shareholder and a stakeholder? A shareholder is someone who owns something who bought it and can sell it and can operate it because they own it. A stakeholder, well, that could be anybody, right? Anybody who wants to do anything with someone else's stuff. So for example, the owners of an oil company would be people who invest in it. So the company has money to operate and they would vote on decisions for that company to make. As long as the company is following the laws of the land, they can do whatever they like. Stakeholder capitalism says no, because Greta Thunberg has something to say. And what about global warming? And what about indigenous participation? And what about LGBTQ2? Like that whole movement of ESG, which is corporate DEI? ESG stands for environmental, social and governance. DEI, as you know, is diversity, equity, inclusion. Those are things that typically shareholders don't waste money on because not only are they costly payoffs to people who don't actually produce value, they undermine, they get in the way. If you are running a high tech company, you want the absolute best people to be your scientists. Even if that means, and in some cases it does, it's going to be disproportionately Asian Americans. I'm sorry to mention the stereotype, but statistically it's a fact. But if you say no, we have to have a certain racial mix and a certain gender mix. Are you really going to have the absolute top scientist in America? And so you can see the difference between a shareholder who would say, give me the best person for the job, whatever the race or sex, and a stakeholder who says, no, no, I'm in the George Floyd DEI Institute and I'm here to say you need this percentage of LGBT people This percentage of black people, this percentage of, you know, of women and men, nothing to do with expertise. So that's wef capitalism. It's stakeholder capitalism, not shareholder capitalism. Do you understand the difference now? In the last year or so, I think the World Economic Forum has started to implode a bit. Klaus Schwab, their founder and owner, has been hit with horrific accusations of abuse. And really, he's announced he's stepping down. He's like the Harvey Weinstein of globalists. Although it sort of surprised me to see Donald Trump said he's going to give a speech there this year, by the way. We'll be there, of course, but in real life, I think every country and many industries are abandoning this stakeholder capitalism, this socialism capitalism. I think they want to get rich or try not to be poor or in the case of Europe, they want to pay for a war, actually, or they want to invest and get ahead in high tech. Even Mark Carney's own project, which was called gfans, Global Financial alliance for Net Zero, it's disbanded all the banks that were part of Mark Carney's plan to decarbonize. They said, yeah, we're gonna go and make some money now in Donald Trump's America. Even Bill Gates says he's not so worried about global warming anymore. What? That was his thing. He wants more power to run artificial intelligence, and he's decided that, well, global warming will take care of itself. I want to get rich on AI.

[Mark Carney]

Certainly, climate change will make entire ecosystems die off. It'll make parts of the world impossible to live in. And so the actual economic and death toll from climate change will be much, much, much greater than what we have with this pandemic.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, I'm sure he does want to get rich. He's extremely greedy. He made his money really as a monopolist with Microsoft, but never trust him. He still hates people. At the end of the day, if Bill Gates is involved with an AI project, I think it's because he actually does not like humans. Remember this clip?

[Mark Carney]

Probably one of these numbers is going to have to get pretty near to zero. That's fact from high school algebra. But let's take a look first. We've got population. The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion now.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

If we do a really great job.

[Mark Carney]

On new vaccines, healthcare, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15%.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, he literally said he wants 20% fewer humans anyway, so Mark Carney has fled the world economic Forum, as it started to implode, has fled the global financial lines for net zero at as it has folded and he's managed to burrow his way into Canada, which is very embarrassing for our country that we let that happen. But all the things that he ever talked about at the World Economic Forum he's doing. He's managing the economy, he is the manager, he is centrally planning our economy as if he has some secret knowledge that only he has about how Canada works, even though he's been away for 20 years. Spoiler alert. No person has that much knowledge. There is no person, even the smartest person in the world, that knows how to run the economy. There was a beautiful essay about this by Frederic Bastiat, who was an economist and philosopher who wrote this in 1850. So really early days of mid Industrial Revolution, Industrial Revolution was quite progressed, but it was before the age of cars or airplanes. Bastiat in 1850 wrote about the enormous city of Paris. And he thought, how is it possible that every restaurant, every shop, every bakery, every home has just the right amount of bread with no one in control? There was no boss of it, there was no Ministry of Bread. And he thought in fact if there were a Ministry of Bread there would be starvation and chaos. And he talked about spontaneous order of a million different people in Paris versus sort of organized chaos. Because so much of the capitalist system is little pieces of information that countless people have local conditions, supply, demand, price, whatever. Every bakery, knowing what I sold this many last last night, I'll sell this many this week. It's a Friday or it's a holiday, I'll sell this many. Every restaurateur thinking, oh, this is exactly how much I sold. Yeah, like there is countless little pieces of information about local conditions, price, whatever. No one person could ever be smart enough to make sure every single home and every single restaurant in France, in Paris, had the right amount of bread. But the government, if they were to do it, it would be a failure. Now Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong both tried. Get back to that in a minute. I mean that's what's going on here. Mark Carney made an announcement the other day, like he is some high priest of industry about which corporate projects may proceed and which may not. And he's not giving, he's not giving any explanations, he's not issuing an opinion. It's just a mysterious, he's like an oracle, he's like a grand wizard. Take a look.

[Mark Carney]

The major projects office is helping to build Canada smarter and quicker fast tracking infrastructure that we need to unlock our country's immense resources and potential. And in this way, we'll build our communities, grow new businesses, and create tens of thousands of new careers in sustainable industries. Back in September at Edmonton, we referred projects that represent more than $60 billion in investment. And today we're going to announce some projects that will double that. Impact the budget that I referenced a moment ago. The budget of last week reinforces our mission to build Canada strong. It's our plan so that Canadians take full control of our future. It's a plan to move from over reliance on one trading partner, the United States, to resilience to global shocks. It's a plan to replace uncertainty with prosperity.

[Ezra Levant]

By the way, all of these projects that he's talking about, they have been proposed for years. Many of them have been languishing for nearly a decade under Trudeau's red tape. It's the Liberals who were almost at the point of killing these deals. And now Carney said, oh, yeah, okay, you can go now. Each of these companies by now, by the way, is ready to put their own money into making something. I don't know, mine. A project of some sort, their own money, typically, which means they've spent years thinking about it and planning it and investigating and studying it and typically not asking the taxpayer for help. So why wouldn't all of those projects be allowed to proceed? Why does it need an additional layer of political approval? Why does it have to meet Mark Carney's taste? Why do we need to appeal to the whims of the leader? That's North Korea stuff. That would be like 10 different restaurants all saying, well, we, we think a lot of people want to go out for restaurant out to eat. We're going to open restaurants and I'm going to open a Chinese restaurant, I'm going to an Italian restaurant. And the chefs are ready to cook and investors are ready to rent the place and hire staff. But some local boss says, no, no, no, I'm going to choose which one's open and which ones can't. What? They're all ready to do it. They're not asking for your money. They're all obeying the law. It's really none of your business. You can eat at whichever restaurant you like. Who are you to say which ones can or can't work? Why not let the people. Why not let the market? On what basis? Is it based on who lobbies Mark Carney, who is cool and uses the right buzzwords? Is it based on who donated to his campaign? Is it who talks about Global warming still. I mean, his own close friends at gfans, Global Financial alliance for Net Zero, they've abandoned his schemes, but he's just foisting it on us. I mean, just a few weeks ago, he let the mask slip. I think it was so childish, so gross. He was asked about oil pipelines, which are more valuable than all the other projects put together. By the way, not only are the construction costs of pipelines enormous, and again, this would all be paid for by private companies. Northern Gateway, Keystone xl. These are private companies. That said, we will put the money in. You don't have to put the money in, by the way, not only is the construction multibillion dollars, but the oil that flows through them is Canada's most valuable export. I don't know if you know that, but oil and gas exports to America are triple what the auto industry is. So, for example, a pipeline like the Keystone XL pipeline, which is partially built but not built, it, would have 800,000 barrels of oil a day. Now, the world price of oil is about US$60 per barrel, or about 85 Canadian. And by the way, Canadian oil is actually sold at a discount to world prices because of a lack of pipelines. So in a single year, if Keystone XL were built, that would move $25 billion worth of oil. Just that one pipeline, every year for a century. But here's what Mark Carney said a few weeks ago when asked about oil pipelines.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Is this pipeline going to come so, so boring? It's not, actually.

[Mark Carney]

It is. No, but it is. It is because it's. Look, it's. Don't worry. We're on it. We're on it. Like, we're on it and. But there is this whole world. Okay, hands up who's working on the pipeline in this room? Okay.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Isn't that a problem?

[Mark Carney]

No, no, no. Look at all the variety. Like, nav. Like, does your. Like. It's. We have.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah.

[Drea Humphrey]

If there's more prosperity, they'll get more cell phone. Cell phone services.

[Mark Carney]

But look, look. Okay, so what's going to drive one of the things with. Yeah, don't worry. We're on the. We're on the pipeline stuff. Danielle's on line one. Don't worry, it's going to happen. But. Well, something's going to happen. Let's put it that way. It's not very good negotiating by my perspective. But what some in the room will unlock on the data center side, the intelligence infrastructure side, will have a much bigger impact on productivity in this country will have a much bigger impact on our standard of living and advantaging that, which is what we're doing with the productivity super deduction. Like, it's an easy conversation to have about a pipeline because it's one thing we can see, but the reality is that there's much, much more of the Canadian economy and there's much, much more to the future of the Canadian economy. And so we're attacking it on all sides.

[Ezra Levant]

So boring.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Boring.

[Ezra Levant]

What do you. What are you, like a teenage child? You want to play video games? Sorry to bore you. Sorry we all can't be as riveting and scintillating and dynamic and so damn interesting as you are, Mark Carney. You're so magnetic. As if boring or not boring is anything other than his own snobbery. Sorry. The boring jobs are what builds this world. And in Canada, that's oil and gas, which is more than double oil auto exports. And Carney seems resigned to losing our auto industry. Hey, why don't you actually build something that the world wants? And Trump can't move. Trump can't move the oil patch to America. He can move the car companies there. It looks like he's doing it. Trump will have to buy our oil from us. He can't say, I demand that the oil sands move. Sorry to bore you with the oil industry. Sorry. Just I can't. What a childish reaction. So Carney announced his favorite companies and no oil companies were amongst amongst them.

[Mark Carney]

Now, Canada, let me start with our position as an energy superpower. We're starting to realize our full potential in both conventional, that is oil and gas and clean energy. LNG is an essential fuel for the energy transition. LNG can help Canada build new trading relationships, especially in fast growing markets in Asia. By 2040, it's estimated the global LNG demand will rise by 60% and Canada will be ready. We're home to the world's fourth largest reserves of natural gas. And we have the potential to supply up to 100 million tons annually of new LNG exports to Asia. But that will require major investment across a wide range of infrastructure. And to encourage that investment, the budget provides new tax incentives to encourage the world's lowest carbon, I'll repeat, the world's lowest carbon LNG facilities. And the budget also expands the Canadian Infrastructure Bank's ability to support projects like Silisom lng. Silism comprises a new gas pipeline, a new electricity transmission line and and a new floating LNG export facility led by the Nisca Nation under President Eva Clayton. Silissims will become Canada's second largest, second largest LNG facility with the capacity to export 12 million tons of LNG every year to new markets. It'll also be one of the world's cleanest LNG operations with emissions an incredible 94% below the global average, with the potential to reach net zero by the end of this decade, all while creating thousands of skilled careers and $4 billion contributions annually to our GDP. The federal government has been working closely with the province of British Columbia in the development of this project, most notably through a one project one review environmental assessment process associated consultations led by the province. In addition to consulting on the financing of silisam, the major project office will also help coordinate timely approvals of all three elements of the project and the related transmission infrastructure that I'll discuss in a moment. Now, more broadly, taking a step back from LNG core to becoming an energy superpower will be to fully capitalize on Canada's advantage in clean energy by substantially expanding our clean electricity grid. Over 80% of the electric power we produce in the country, it's higher obviously in British Columbia, but in the country as a whole is clean. The point is clean electrification is, is the path, it's the only path to building a sustainable, prosperous economy.

[Ezra Levant]

Now a liquid naturified liquefied natural gas plant was approved, but it still doesn't have a pipeline to supply it. So I'm not sure what's going to happen there. But there's a left wing activist in British Columbia named Kai Nagata who asked a question that I thought was sort of interesting. Here's Kynegada talking to Mark Carney.

[Mark Carney]

Kainegada from Dogwood News following up on this question. So as it stands, Western LNG is the owner of the Xi Lessons terminal and it would be built in Korea with Korean and Chinese steel. So how much taxpayer money are we prepared to invest in a project that is American owned and foreign built? There is, look, there are different aspects of the project as I said. There is a, the PRGT pipeline which is necessary which is Canadian owned First Nation. Sorry, can I finish? There is the nor the associated transmission line that comes there. There are structures that come with projects that ensure that there is returns to taxpayers through, through the tax system as well. And the structure of the financing is a decision that we take with the full information. The full information of the project, the project design is. So that's part of. You don't answer. We answer that question with full information by doing the work and that's what the referral to the major project Office facilitates Korea, China.

[Ezra Levant]

That's sort of interesting. I, I know that Mark Carney has been saying, well, we're going to emphasize Canadian first and Canadian Steel and stuff, and it doesn't sound that way. I wonder if Brookfield Asset Management is getting anything out of this. But I don't really care about China, Korea stuff if it's not my money investing in the thing. I just want the things built because I know, for one thing, the gas is Canadian. The gas will be produced in Canada. I just want the thing built and for the government to step out of the way. Not to pretend he's some miraculous oracle who can see into the future. I mean, Justin Trudeau foolishly said there's no business case to sell oil and gas to the world. And then Qatar goes in, signs of billion dollar deal with Europe. I mean, it's, it's. It's like when Justin Trudeau and Doug Ford spent tens of billions of dollars on electric car batteries. That's the future. And those companies are now leaving us. I saw a tweet by CP24, which is owned by CTV. The regime media is trying to spin this as oil and gas industry approves. Yeah, I read the story. No actual oil producers were. Were actually quoted in it. Now, some lobbyist from the Canadian association of Petroleum Producers was quoted, and he's obviously trying hard to maintain his relationship with the Carney Liberals rather than promoting the interests of his own industry. But no oil producer praised this because no oil production will be allowed. No pipeline, no tankers. You know, Mao Zedong, I mentioned this earlier. Stalin and Mao, they tried to centrally command the economy in a manner similar to what Mark Carney is doing. Mao is crazy. One of the things he did during, you know, various eras of uprisings and revolutions and internal revolutions is he mandated that farmers, instead of farming for food in the world's hungriest country, that they start to make steel in their backyard. Do you think it's possible to make steel in your backyard? Well, Mao did, and it caused a famine. It was an economic disaster. And then Mao came up. I thought, oh, well, one of the problems why there's so few crops is because there are sparrows eating our food. So he called upon the Chinese people to kill every sparrow they saw, and they did. And tens of millions of sparrows were killed. So it's true the sparrows didn't eat the crops anymore, but now locusts had no natural predators left, did they? And so nature was out of balance and the locusts completely wiped out the crops. This is what Frederick Bastiat was warning about, about a bread ministry that's so smart but knows nothing. He's warning about the experts. Frederick Bastiat's conversation about spontaneous order versus planned chaos, centrally planned chaos, is actually a shot at experts who know nothings. Who read a book about. Well, I've read a book about baking and I think it should be done. I've read a book about how to make steel in our backyard and that's how. Well, I read a book about how to choose industries. You're not an expert. Remember Mark Carney? He was not the CEO of Brookfield. He wasn't the hands on president. He was the chairman who was busy with other projects at the United nations, the World Economic Forum. He didn't get into the details of the companies they bought. He was sort of the big relationships guy, the big speeches guy, the conference goer. He was not the CEO. He chaired their board meetings. But even Brookfield itself isn't a company that builds things. They buy assets and manage them or flip them or chop them up and resell them. They don't actually run businesses. They're an asset manager. It's called Brookfield Asset Management. They're not operators of companies. Mark Carney is not an entrepreneur. He's not a builder. He's never run a company. Not at Brookfield, not at the World Economic Forum, not at the United nations, not at the central banks and not at Goldman Sachs. His whole life he's been a Marxist expert who's obsessed with control and authority. He's the kind of person who would say, yeah, we should have a ministry of bread or yeah, we should kill every sparrow that'll save the crops. You know, he's going to plunge us into recession, although I think we're already there. And, you know, despite his grudging approval of a handful of projects, the very idea that you have to impress dear leader before you're allowed to spend your own money investing in Canada, that's going to scare away a trillion dollars from Canada into Donald Trump's America. Just you wait and see. Stay with us for. Hey, welcome back. While I was on my quick journey down to James o' Keeffe's event, I saw what Drea Humphrey was going through. And by the way, we had two security guards there for her. So I was alarmed. But I'm glad that we were prepared for the kind of pushing and shoving that was there. This is her at Thompson Rivers University where Frances Widdowson and others were there to talk about the unmarked graves Question. And it's a question. It hasn't been answered yet. People say in places like kamloops, there are 200 unmarked graves. Well, millions of dollars has been given to the band to carefully and ethically check, dig, investigate. Are those actually graves? Hasn't happened yet. Because I think people don't want the truth to come out. They prefer the narrative that the white man killed Aboriginal people in a kind of genocide. They're trying to slander Canada's past. I want to know the truth. I know one thing. We don't know the truth now, but there's a lot of people trying to stop us from getting the truth. Dre Humphrey did a documentary on this story a couple years ago. Here, watch her in action. Take a look.

[Drea Humphrey]

Four years ago on May 27, 2021, the world looked at Canada in a different way after the Kamloops ban put out the false claim that they had discovered the remains of 215 children at the former Kamloops Indian Residential School. Now, many of you watching us know that that's not true. And neither are all of the other claims where bands have said similar things about discoveries that never were. And today, right behind me is a scene you don't see very often taking place in Kamloops. Thompson river university today. A Dr. Francis Whittleson, who is behind the documentary what Remains has showed here to shed light on those false claims and to challenge university students to actually think and not be offended of the truth. I'm Drea Humphrey with Revel News who traveled here to cover what happened here today for you. And I had to do so safely. In case you missed it recently, Dr. Francis Widdleson did something very similar similar in Winnipeg at a university and was treated like this.

[Ezra Levant]

Everywhere you go, we will be here.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Reminding you of what our ancestors went through.

[Ezra Levant]

Every.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Your followers are hurting these people.

[Drea Humphrey]

They are attacking people.

[Ezra Levant]

You need to leave.

[Drea Humphrey]

So to be your eyes and ears here during this important discussion about Canadian history, especially in a time where reconciliation overreach has turned into excusing Aboriginal title. In Richmond, bc. I have security guards with me to keep me safe. If you want to chip in to help cover those expenses, you can do so by donating what you can at our special website called kamloopsdocumentary.com I should also let you know that accompanied with Dr. Widdowson is one BC leader Dallas Brody, as well as her house leader, Tara Armstrong Strong. They have been strong advocates for the truth on this issue, even coming up with their own documentary which will be released in just a couple of weeks. Called making a killing. We will be covering that release as well. They're here as is one of their recent announced candidates who is a former teacher in Abbotsford. His name is Jim McMurtry. Here's how some of the discussion went.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

There's a billion kids burying the apple origin. Camels believe that get the off our camels. Unless you ask yourself for evidence. Stop. Shame. Go home.

[Ezra Levant]

Don't run away.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Coming here and saving this.

[Mark Carney]

You lost your job, you said.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

I. I lost my job for saying the truth.

[Ezra Levant]

Okay.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

So you told.

[Mark Carney]

You told them what your.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

That was an opinion. No, I know it was.

[Drea Humphrey]

You got fired because the parents probably.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Thought that their kids probably should be learned.

[Ezra Levant]

The teachers or the principal, the high board office, whatever. They fired you. Yeah.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Yeah. The truth is, is that people are not looking at the evidence very much with respect to this claim. And what you did, what you did. I'll just. In terms of my understanding of what you are doing is you're deflecting the conversation into other. Other kind of issues. I am because there is an underlying issue to this. It's not just about the 215 children residential school has affected thousands of indigenous people and coming at it and trying to act like we're lying over the lying at all. Thompson Rivers University sent me a trespass notice on October 15th of this year after Simon, Kathy, Drake and myself did a Spectrum street epistemology session on the remains of 215 children that claim. And it was a wonderful event. Jenna who participated. Hal who participated. We all agreed at the end that excavations were needed at the Kalu Senior Residential School to figure out the truth with respect to the matter. And because Thompson Rivers University sent me that trespass notice and said that only authorized discussions can take place, I said I've got to come back to this university. Is that true?

[Drea Humphrey]

Your hate isn't welcome.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

The Kamloops band received $12.1 million earmarked to be combos band. But okay, well, okay. I could grew up in a different era. I know. I just at least if we're going to talk about these communities, let's talk about them and user correcting. Well, they still call it the Kamloops Indian Residential School on their. On their materials. So the Kamloops ban received $212.1 million from the federal government to dig. And they didn't use it for that. And the money's gone.

[Drea Humphrey]

That's your taxpayer dollars.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

That's not okay. The whole lie of the 215 bodies needs to be exposed for what it is because Canada has suffered under this accusation for too long. And also to just spark some conversation which is happening. Please stand upon trip grandchildren.

[Drea Humphrey]

What's the truth?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

The truth is that this is Nazism.

[Ezra Levant]

This is white nationalism. There's no room for hatred on this campus. They need to get off this land.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Presidential school survivors, they lived through it. They lived through trauma. They're standing here today because of their resilience. And all this is disrespecting everything that they experienced.

[Drea Humphrey]

What did he say that was hateful?

[Ezra Levant]

He is against anti racism. He is against transgender rights.

[Mark Carney]

He's against indigenous sovereignty safety. We're not standing for this.

[Drea Humphrey]

Did he say something like that here?

[Ezra Levant]

Oh, I know all about it.

[Mark Carney]

Just look it up online.

[Drea Humphrey]

What do you mean? Make of their claim that there are not 215 bodies at least proven to be discovered at the Kamloops Indian Residential School?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

I think it's disgusting that they keep asking to see a body.

[Ezra Levant]

That's enough.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

People do not need to be murdered. Do you have evidence?

[Drea Humphrey]

Tell their culture.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Do you have evidence of that?

[Ezra Levant]

Yes, we do have evidence of that.

[Drea Humphrey]

Talk to any person here.

[Ezra Levant]

Go to the residential school. Why? Because you're being a hole. You don't belong here and you need to get the out of here.

[Drea Humphrey]

You have your own personal agenda.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

This is a public institution.

[Ezra Levant]

So.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

This is a public institution.

[Drea Humphrey]

And guess what?

[Mark Carney]

You're losing the battle. Leave.

[Ezra Levant]

You have no business being here.

[Drea Humphrey]

It's a public institution.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

This is a university.

[Drea Humphrey]

Where people care about one another. Okay?

[Mark Carney]

It's not about you.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

You don't know what you're talking about.

[Ezra Levant]

No, you don't.

[Mark Carney]

Yes. I'll get you signed.

[Drea Humphrey]

You said that your mom worked at the school. So you know about the trauma and things like that. I have indigenous students, so. The band itself, though, is saying something different. They're saying 200 probable anomalies.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Anomalies. Yeah. Yeah.

[Drea Humphrey]

They're no longer saying bodies. Do you think that's important?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Are boulders.

[Drea Humphrey]

Well, they don't know what they are.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

They're no longer saying bodies. Should it be dug up?

[Drea Humphrey]

They took $12 million to dig them up.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Well, then that's with the band. That's not here with us at tru. Right. I just want you right now. The next time somebody says it was a child murder, Resident school in Canada, ask for evidence. That's your view? That's your view? You can't do that. I said my father was a judge. He can't convict somebody, send someone away to jail. Right? You can't do that in Canada.

[Drea Humphrey]

So I guess my question is to you for caring about trauma. And I do, too. Do you think it's bad news or good news that there might not be 215 murdered children? Well, of course it would be good.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

News if it wasn't. If there weren't. But we can't sit here and just make these kind of bull claims. They're not being taught these things. It's not even allowed to be introduced in their classrooms. And they have been taught over and over again about this, a form of indoctrination. And it's gone too far. And it's really hard to, when you've been told something over and over again, to have someone hit you with something true. It's almost frightening.

[Drea Humphrey]

The narrative by mainstream media has been that these graves have been uncovered. And you and I both know that that's not the case. So I think that's why these events and coming here and speaking to these people is even more important, because we're able to actually share with them these facts. Drea.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

So the question is, are there 215 children who were buried clandestinely at the Kamloon Senior Residential School? And what do you think the solution is? To dig up the dead bodies?

[Ezra Levant]

Yes.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Yes. Do you not think these children have seen. Suffered enough? But you're assuming there's children there.

[Ezra Levant]

We have nothing but good in this country, and you're ruining it.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Yes, we do. What are you doing here? You're here.

[Ezra Levant]

Life.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

And you're ruining it. So you keep saying. I'm assuming these bodies have been found, but you're assuming that the bands are misusing this money, and they're not actually. So we're all assuming.

[Drea Humphrey]

We also know that there's money that was earmarked for this, that was never used for this. So let's get to the bottom of it then, and let's use that money that was already provided.

[Ezra Levant]

Okay.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

If you want to investigate what is happening with the money, I don't understand why you have to do it in this format. You were upsetting people. Even if I was wrong, I shouldn't have been fired. But in this case, I was right. There's no evidence. So you're saying 215 and you know that no one's going to ever dig there.

[Ezra Levant]

Never. Do you think.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Do you think it's not your land.

[Ezra Levant]

To go and dig up?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Doesn't matter. You can't say people murdered children.

[Drea Humphrey]

I. I saw your sign. I'm not talking to you. Who's a Fascist. None of us are interested. You speak for her, please, Leighton. Okay, so you're not interested, but I'll still do my job. Who's the fascist here? I'm just curious.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

You don't know?

[Drea Humphrey]

No. No. Nothing to say? Sometimes I wonder if people know what the word fascism means. I mean, because when you want to shut out people from speaking, that sounds pretty fascist to me.

[Mark Carney]

The issue is, are there 215 bodies there?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Because the issue is bigger than this. And the fact that you cannot see that, I think is the problem here. And that's my problem with this.

[Drea Humphrey]

The traditional Sun Dance.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Do you know how it works? Are you seriously asking me that? Yeah, I'm asking, do you know how it works?

[Drea Humphrey]

Do you know what it is?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

I'm not having this conversation. Three things can't be hidden for long. The sun, the moon, and the truth. And that's what we're fighting for, is the truth. You are not using the traditional Sundance dancing. Do you know what it is?

[Drea Humphrey]

Do you think we are closer to reconciliation or further from it since those claims were made?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

I like to think that we are closer to reconciliation, but when this kind of stuff goes on, I feel that it takes us two steps backwards. All those kids who never came home have to be somewhere.

[Drea Humphrey]

Except you can simply look yourself at how many kids were reported missing. It's nowhere near 215. And the records of how they went missing are there. There were some kids that drowned. Like, nobody's even doing the research. You guys are all just looking at headlines. Sorry. I just wanted to ask, what publication you work for. Rebel News.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Rebel. This works for Revel News.

[Drea Humphrey]

All of a sudden? What, am I dehumanized? Am I dehumanized all of a sudden?

[Ezra Levant]

No.

[Mark Carney]

No.

[Drea Humphrey]

You know, I'm sorry.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

You could have told me you were from Rebel News. I wouldn't have spoken.

[Drea Humphrey]

He asked, like, what are your interests.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

In truth and reconciliation?

[Drea Humphrey]

The truth.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

No, no.

[Drea Humphrey]

What kinds of things do you do to decolonize and to promote decolonization? I report on government overreach and ban. Governments are not exempt. So if you take. If you take millions of tax dollars to do something and you don't, I report on it. So what about the. The unceded land that we're on right now and that the indigenous people in.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

This area haven't been compensated for?

[Drea Humphrey]

Well, we can talk about that, too, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the false claim claim that was made in 2021, that the remains of 250 children.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

True. It's not.

[Drea Humphrey]

The band itself admits that's no longer, as you just mentioned, like the band.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Is not exempt from what you're.

[Drea Humphrey]

Absolutely. So why did you just tell me that claim wasn't false? What grounds do you have?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

The band doesn't represent all the indigenous.

[Drea Humphrey]

People in the nation and the banding council system is a colonial implementation.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Well, no, you know who I trust? Historians. And so when I made my. Can you respond to that? So when I responded. So my. Can you just listen for a second? You're walking around. You don't have any. You don't have the knowledge. No, you don't have the knowledge. University is supposed to be a marketplace of ideas, right? Where you get a lot of different views being expressed. And that's not happening anymore, Drea. At our schools. And we believe that if you're not going to allow freedom of speech, marketplace of ideas at these universities, this public funding has to stop. They are being subjected to propaganda from the various Aboriginal activists who have taken control over this university. Sorry, the Aboriginal industry associates as well. They have law professors here who are engaged in land claims negotiations. And all these kinds of false claims are very, very important and true in terms of pushing through various aspects of the Aboriginal industry. And so students are not being encouraged to think critically. No, I'm not doing an interview for Rebel F News.

[Drea Humphrey]

Okay. I think News. Where's your consent form? There's no such thing in Canada. It's a free country. We're in a public place. That's why this is all happening. You know what? When I went to university. Too long to mention on camera. Go. It was great to have conversations like it. You guys seem, like, genuinely scared and angry about it. Why is that? Because it is scary and we are angry. Why is it scary to talk to someone you might disagree with?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Because.

[Drea Humphrey]

No, no, it's not that. We are scared to talk to people that we disagree with because we talk to people that we disagree with all the time in a proper medium.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

You all know there are no bodies in Kamloops. You know that all this exercise at this university about how terrible Canada was is all wrong.

[Drea Humphrey]

Did you know that there's at least four other bands that have excavated? They thought there were unmarked graves and when they dug, they found nothing.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

I don't think that's relevant to the fact that there was bodies found in Kamloops.

[Drea Humphrey]

Did you know they never dug and that it's impossible to make the claim with ground penetrating radar?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

I think it sounds like your questions are starting to side with one of these opinions.

[Drea Humphrey]

Actually, I'm actually quoting them when I say they no longer call it bodies at the band. They call them anomalies.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Okay. My apologies. Well, when it comes down to it, I'm a white person with a lot of white privilege. It's not my part to say what happened in residential schools in the sense of. That's not my experience. But I will listen and stand with Indigenous voices.

[Mark Carney]

How many Tikamloops residential school survivors have you interviewed?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

I haven't interviewed. I tried to interview many, but none would. None would.

[Mark Carney]

You haven't actually spoken to the actual.

[Ezra Levant]

People that were there?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

I've listened to their testimonies.

[Mark Carney]

A lot of this history isn't written down. It's a lot of oral history. And a lot of that oral history documents verbally how many children were killed or died on these residential schools all across Canada.

[Drea Humphrey]

I have interviewed some that attended there. Do you have a question for me, given that I have, But I also think the truth should come out about what's there.

[Ezra Levant]

I don't have any questions.

[Drea Humphrey]

Okay. I'll just tell you one thing. When I did interview them, none of them, although they had gone there between 11 and 14 years, had ever heard that there were unmarked graves until 2021 of May. Does that seem weird that they went there for so many years? They met their spouse. Spouses there.

[Ezra Levant]

I'm not sure who you interviewed.

[Mark Carney]

I can't speak on that.

[Drea Humphrey]

Well, you asked about residential school survivors. I did.

[Ezra Levant]

And I asked her how many people she interviewed.

[Drea Humphrey]

Well, I'm a journalist. She's a professor, so I interview people. And I have interviewed people. I even interviewed the chief, too. And did you know the chief no longer says that there are 215 remains there?

[Mark Carney]

They never said any.

[Ezra Levant]

Actually.

[Mark Carney]

There's a media that says that?

[Drea Humphrey]

No, sir. Did you want me to show you their claim? On May 27th of 2021, they said the kids were as young as three years old, detected by ground penetrating radar. So you're defending a claim that they no longer make. Why?

[Ezra Levant]

I'm not defending any claim.

[Drea Humphrey]

Okay. Well, I spoke to people who attended there for many years.

[Mark Carney]

I don't know who you spoke to.

[Ezra Levant]

So I'm sorry, I'm not.

[Drea Humphrey]

Well, then why did you ask the question?

[Mark Carney]

I didn't ask it of you.

[Ezra Levant]

I asked it of her.

[Drea Humphrey]

Okay, but I'm a journalist. I asked questions.

[Mark Carney]

She said residential schools took almost, I think almost 100% indigenous kids. So that's why we're saying it about that.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Okay. More than Intake because the parents wanted them there, because they wanted their kid to have an education. They wanted their kids there to have an education. Some were taken cases of that. And again, I'm, I'm saying that, right? Were they orphans or they were being abused at home or they didn't have the necessities of life if they were.

[Drea Humphrey]

To use the $12 million they were given to dig like they were supposed to and they found there were no bodies, do you think white Canadians deserve to know that? And do you think that's good news?

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah.

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

Right. I'm going to be honest, I don't think that I can comprehend that question right now because I have so many feelings about what's happening. I'm really angry and I don't think I can answer it with a clear head right now.

[Drea Humphrey]

Sure. The RCMP has come out saying they've done an eight year long investigation and found no evidence of mass murder or anything like that. If it's true that there are not 2, 215 bodies consistent with the other bands that have dug, what does that mean for the claims that residential schools were genocide?

[Opposing Protester/Participant]

I think I'm going to stop answering these questions.

[Drea Humphrey]

I appreciate talking with you. Thank you so much. Yeah, I think you saw and got a taste for what was happening here. Let me know in the comments. I will take a look through. I am very interested to see what you thought about what took place here today. Drea Humphrey with Rebel News. At Rebel News, we aren't afraid to bring you the other side of the story, no matter what name somebody hurls at us for doing so. If you appreciate our boots on the ground reporting that doesn't take a penny from the government. Like 95% of the media consider chipping in to help my expenses today to have security to keep me safe by donating what you can at Kamloops documentary. We appreciate your support.

[Ezra Levant]

Drea is very brave. I think she's doing a great job in British Columbia. She really owned that story at the ostrich farm. I was delighted to visit there a couple times. And she had built so much trust with the family and was so deeply engrossed in the details there. And this is another one of the files she's doing a great job of. It's tricky out there because, listen, we want to be friends to all, all people in British Columbia. We want to respect indigenous people, of course we do. But we also have to follow the truth. We have a saying here. Follow the facts wherever they lead. And that's what Dre is doing, and I think she's doing a great job of it. Well, that's our show for the day. Until Monday, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.