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EZRA LEVANT | From UK cell to U.S. Capitol: Tommy Robinson hits Congress
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Hello, my friends. I saw Tommy Robinson yesterday. He's arrived in America. Let me give you my thoughts on the very interesting turn of events in his life. Plus an interview with the lad. We'll also talk to Tracy Wilson of the Firearms Coalition about the crazy. It's just so silly how the government is trying to ban scary looking guns. That's pretty much how they define them. I'll take you through that, but first let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. That's the video version of this podcast. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com click subscribe. It's eight bucks a month. You get great video content and you support Rebel News because we take no government money and it shows. You're listening to Rebel News podcast. Tonight, Tommy Robinson is out of a UK prison and into the US Congress. It's February 24th and this is the Ezra Levant Show. Shame on you, you censorious bug. You know, we fought alongside Tommy Robinson for many years, but a decade now, if you can believe it, and a year ago he was in solitary confinement. It was terrible. I visited him in prison the one time before the prison warden stopped allowing me and various other visitors in to see him. And I could see it was starting to wreak havoc on his mental state. You know, it's a form of torture. It's a psychological torture. He wasn't physically being tortured, but being separated from other people for 23 and a half hours a day and then sometimes when he had family visits, having them canceled at the last minute by the prison warden. Absolutely abusive behavior and outrageous claims against Tommy being made by the media. They didn't feel any solidarity with him for freedom of speech or for standing up to the government. They are regime journalists, even worse than in Canada. I know that from 10 years of traveling there. There were while he was in prison, by the way, there were other legal cases proceeding against him. You might remember he was arrested and charged under the Terrorism act not for doing any terrorism, but for refusing to give the police the pin code, the password to his cell phone because he said he had some very confidential and sensitive material on there when he interviewed various victims of British rape gangs. So he said there's no way he was going to give that information to police because in the past the police had given that info to the rapists. Anyway, sorry to go down that rabbit hole a bit, but that was Tommy's reasoning. This was all pending against him and we had to pay his legal bills for crowdfunding, which is tough to do but what a difference a year makes. Now he's not in solitary confinement, he's out of prison. And if I'm not mistaken, the prison governor who was so abusive, she's moved on the Terrorism act, it went to trial and Tommy wasn't just acquitted, he was acquitted smashingly. And the judge went on a tear against how the police were abusive and political and how they only arrested Tommy because they didn't like or they knew his politics. Very interesting and an enormous innovation is that Elon Musk took over the financing of Tommy Robinson's legal cases. It was a pleasure for us to do to crowdfund, but it's hard to do it and our donors only have so much capacity. So for Elon Musk to defend Tommy, to pay the legal bills, what an incredible relief to Tommy and his family. And frankly, it relieves us here at Rebel News from that duty. It was a happy duty for us. But if the world's richest man wants to help Tommy, I think I'll back up. So Tommy got out of prison and you may recall on September 13th of last year, he actually put together the largest rally in UK history. And you might remember we built sort of free speech trip around that, if you were one of the lucky people on that trip. And a surprise guest at the rally was Elon Musk. Here's a quick clip of that. Imagine that. Elon Musk, Tommy Robinson united at the rally. Musk wasn't there in person, but he appeared on video screen. Take a look. Hello,
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everyone. Congratulations.
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Congratulations, Tommy, on putting together an amazing event and really rallying the people of Britain.
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Elon, none of this could have happened without you giving the British public access to the truth and giving us free speech and fighting for our free speech. So on behalf of Great Britain and the British public, we're incredibly grateful. Elon,
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you're most welcome. You're most welcome. And you may notice this T shirt that I'm wearing is Great British Authority George Orwell. What would Orwell think? I think that's generally a good way to look at these things. He would want freedom of speech. He would want the people to know what's real. He'd want the people to fight against government oppression and fight for the truth and fight for the future of Britain. Well, it was only better things from there. Every day a new success. His US visa, which he got just last week, is a miraculous thing because, of course, Tommy Robinson has been convicted of various offenses, some of them going back years. And those would normally make him not considered to travel to The United States, he would be barred from entry into America. Tommy had to go to the US Consulate and go through or the US Embassy and go through point by point explaining the background of why they were politicized cases of lawfare against him. And he convinced them. And to me, it's an enormous rebuke by the United States government of the uk If Tommy's been convicted, let's say five times, and if he's been sent to prison five times, that sounds like a pretty bad dude. But when the US Government looked at all the actual charges and convictions and saw the results and listened to Tommy, they said, no, he's actually not a terrible person, as he's being deemed by the uk and in fact, it sure looks like there's a lot of lawfare there. Especially that last ruling by the. By the British judge confirmed it. We're learning more and more about the UK legal system all the time, by the way, about how Keir Starmer is using lawyers to affect awful changes. You know, Keir Starmer used to be a civil liberties lawyer himself, by the way. It's just so astonishing to believe that now I, you know, they're so lawyerly in the uk. I hear that the UK lawyers are refusing to let the United States operate from US army bases in the uk. The US has a joint air base in the United Kingdom where they fly their refueling jets and their fighters and their bombers and things. I understand that the British government has refused to allow the US to operate from there in any attacks on Iran for legal reasons. It would be a war crime to do so. This is how the UK is being run. So I think that the offering of a visa to Tommy was not just a rebuke in terms of the censorship of Tommy and the bullying of Tommy. I think it's the United States slapping back at Keir Starmer and saying, your whole legal system is junk. Anyways, he was in the United States and I went down there yesterday to see him, and he looks great and he looks in fine health and he's fit and he's happy and he's busy. He feels like he's the toast of the town. So many people in America know him, and there's reasons for that. I mean, Jordan Peterson really mainstreamed him and he's done other shows, but for 10 years we were just sort of pounding away on Tommy Robinson and I think we really helped introduce him to a lot of people on this side of the ocean. I did an interview with him which we posted last. Last night or this morning. I can't remember. I'll show that to you in a minute, in case you missed it. But one of the things I asked Tommy is, look, now that you can come to America, you know, we've done events with Tommy in the uk. Obviously, we did some events with Tommy in Canada. I don't know if you participated, but we had a speaking engagement in Calgary, one in Toronto, and unfortunately, the one in. I think it was in Edmonton got blocked because Tommy was arrested in Canada. But the United States, of course, is such an important and huge country now that Tommy has a visa to go to America. We talked about putting on some events with him, and I spent some time today trying to organize that. I'll keep you posted. But in the meantime, here's my interview with Tommy Robinson. We have a very special guest today. Last time I saw him, it was in front of the Union Jack. Today it's in front of the Stars and Stripes. I'm talking about my old friend Tommy Robinson. Great to see you in America.
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It's great to be here.
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Israel, we're physically in the office of General Flynn, which is sort of incredible. But I think even more incredible is that you're here in America at all. I mean, how did you. In a year ago, my God, you were in prison, in solitary confinement. The world said you were done. Today, you're on top of the world in America. How
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do you know? I stopped smiling since I got here. I feel relaxed, I feel comfortable. Do you know, I thought about exactly what you just said last week. I thought about the last 12 months. I thought, what's happened in the last 12 months? Jesus spent seven months soldier confinement. Then we've done September 13th, the biggest event in British history. Now I'm standing in the United States of America. I got a day's notice of this. I got a phone call. I was in Spain, I was in Portugal, but I had a rental car from Spain, so I was in Portugal. And I'd left after I got the ISIS threat. So I got a. Like a fatwa from isis. I was named in their publication. So I left the country. And then I'm sitting there and I got a phone call saying, yeah, you need to get back to the uk. I was like, why? I said, get to the American embassy. You're getting a waiver.
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Yeah, let's just stop there for a second. Because strict interpretation of the law, you have been convicted of various offenses that would normally bar you from America. And Donald Trump is very hard on immigrants for you to get a special permission from the State Department to come in. There's a lot of meaning there.
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I had to write out. And they went through each of my convictions.
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Yeah.
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So I had to sit in the American Embassy, this is a few months ago, and I went through my convictions and what happened in my convictions and explained each of them. Because conviction, it's lawfare. It's been a campaign of lawfare by the government. In fact, the. The last two cases that they've prosecuted me on, both judges have ruled I've been persecuted, targeted, and. And it's been unlawful. Now, why did I win those cases? Because Elon Musk stepped in. Yeah, so Elon Musk stepped in. So those last two cases, I said, it's just like the last seven cases. Yeah. I would have been cleared. I should have been cleared. I've never been tried by a jury. So I think America are aware, and Donald Trump's certainly aware, that they have him down as convicted criminal. If Donald Trump didn't win the election, he had to spend the rest of his life in prison. Many Americans know this. Yeah, well, they know about the politicization of the judiciary. They've all witnessed it themselves. They know about my story. I've had Americans stop me here, police officers stop me here. You're the guy they sent to jail for speech. So that's the American view on it. Remember, America has a very different view to free speech than Europe does and
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Britain does, but it shouldn't, because Britain was where we got our free speech from. Britain was where, you know, the Magna Carta Limited the Crown and, you know, John Milton, you guys, the Brits were where it started. It's where Parliament came from. How come the Mothership is losing its freedom, whereas America seems to be getting it back?
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They have a constitution and fear is paralyzing. And fear of being branded racist, fear of cancel culture, fear of losing your job. And they're legitimate fears. Remember, people do lose their jobs. People have been cancelled and people do want to attack you. Violence within Britain and the government wants to imprison you. So innocent people have been in prison. We've seen it, the weaponization of the courts and the judiciary. So I think it's legitimate that people have been scared. But I'm blessed to be in the United States of America. As I said, fight like a Flynn. We're in General Flynn's office. A gentleman who I've watched for years had the utmost respect for. You know, in the last 72 hours, I have met some incredible characters. My feet haven't touched the ground and I'M sitting with such influential people who, each one of them, I recognize it, are thanking me. And for me, it's like I'm hated in British Parliament. The 650 MPs, they look down their nose upon us. I go to. I went to Denmark and got stand innovation in Parliament. I went to Poland and was invited by members of government. I got a state. I got a state visit. I got a state visit by Israel. Now I'm in the United States. I've just come out of a meeting with Congress. So for me, I feel vindicated. I feel like we've kept in the fight the whole time. And although the British government have always attacked us, the rest of the world is looking at things very differently.
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Let's just spend one more minute on Elon Musk because he took over the payment of your fees. We used to crowdfund your legal fees. And he said, no, we're going to make it. It was a stand he took, which was very bold. And he appeared at your September 13th rally on that giant screen. I think he's really. He makes a difference in so many ways. Not just as an industrialist, but as a free speecher.
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Do you see the. There's a massive, I'd call it a political revolution and a cultural revolution currently happening in Great Britain. None of that would be happening if it wasn't feeling muscle purchase next. None of it. The country would still be asleep. People would still be scared. People wouldn't be speaking out. The million people you saw on the streets, none of them would have been there. He literally. And I was down, Ezra. I've been down lots of times. I've been up and I've been down. And sometimes I felt defeated. And literally I was defeated. And he literally picked me up. And that was just by when I say pick me up. He picked us all up. He gave us a platform and a voice where people can listen to what we're saying. And that can change public opinion. And not just change public opinion. It can give courage to the public to speak up and start addressing and talking about these issues. And that gives courage to politicians and that gives courage to journalists. And then before you know it, there's a big, open, free discussion being had. And that's what's. And that's what we've witnessed happening. So I'm forever grateful to Elon. I'm forever grateful to. I believe that Jordan Peterson played a key part before Elon stepped in. When I was in prison, Jordan Peterson brought me in from the dark. Jordan Peterson sat down as such A worldwide recognized academic. Thank you Jordan and thank you Tammy. They sat me down and off feel they brought me in from the dark. They gave me an opportunity to sit down in there and tell my story and from and that had 4 million views. So when I met you in Canada that had 4 million views. So I was blessed by that. That's then got people and you know how many emails I got when I was in prison from people who said I wrote you off as a racist till I saw you on Jordan Peterson. So that I know the change that that interview had. And then what Elon Musk has done not just for me but for Britain, for all of us is give us a voice and now I'm stood here and to be honest I'd probably be in jail right now again if he hadn't defended my court cases. And I've got another court case Ezra when I've returned from here I faced 10 years in prison in October.
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Was that the one when the paparazzi stalked you so you turn the camera on him and the paparazzi are want you prosecuted for taking photos of them but they're paparazzi.
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I faced 10 years for telling them. I'm going to come with a camera and ask you questions now again Elon as I've sent his lawyer the case files on that and he's agreed to support the defense of that I believe now I'm not sitting here that concerned because I'll win.
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Well I was there in court when the last judge gave his ruling on this crazy arrest of you under the Terrorism act. And the judge actually was disgusted in
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both the last cases. Outraged. He couldn't believe it. He literally and when they give the I thought when he gives his verdict it's going to be difficult for him to side with me. But he didn't just side with me in both of them he went against the police. This is basically saying it's outrageous what you've done. You targeted him.
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I remember a few months before that you were at a big march against anti Semitism which and the Jews there were so grateful to have your friendship. But the police sent over a dozen cops to grab you, pepper spray you and pull you out. And I thought that many police to arrest Tommy and I thought to myself there must be a hundred bureaucrats, lawyers, police who do nothing all day but track Tommy Robinson and try and get him one way or the other. It really is a vendetta and I'm hoping your trip to America snaps them out of that. That judge wasn't Happy with that.
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I think he will snap them out. This is the problem. I don't think they see that. Because even when, even the last prison sentence, when they gave me 18 months, they knew the world was watching. They knew. Everyone's seen them.
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They just didn't care.
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They don't care. They don't care. Do you know what? I don't care. Because seven months soldier confinement damaged me.
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I can testify to that. You were wobbled by that. It's a kind of mental torture.
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I was still wobbled recently from it. I'm still wobbled from it. So I've still struggled from it. But they know that. So they know that. And what is their purpose? The last thing they want, which they failed at, the last thing they want is the world hearing about their failures, about their policy failures, government failures, about the abuse on free speech, about the oppression of the British public. They don't want the world knowing this. And I'm here to tell the world.
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Let's get back to your trip here. First of all, I just can't get over how amazing it is that must have been approved at a very senior level. I mean, maybe even Secretary of State Rubio, I don't know. But to approve someone who's been convicted time and again by the British state.
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You know what I think is. I think it's the American government. They're fully aware of what Keir Starmer done after the riots. They're fully aware of what happened to Lucy Connolly.
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She was invited here and they wouldn't let her go. I think, if I recall.
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Yeah, she was invited. She's done 31 months in prison. So they've been watching. And if you listen to Rubio's speeches, if you listen to J.D. vance speeches, if you're. If you listen to Donald Trump speaking to Keir Starmer, they're fully aware of there's no free speech. They're fully aware of what they're doing to the British public. They're fully aware of the European Union's abuse of power.
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And those Europeans want to go after Elon Musk. They want to prosecute them, fine them. Like they're. They are fighting back, aren't they? The Europeans.
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Yeah, they're trying to. Yeah, they're trying to. But they're fighting back against the most powerful nation in the world, with the most powerful government in the world, with the most powerful president in the world, and a president that believes deeply in freedom of speech. So to Americans, they're watching this. I don't. I keep saying it. I Don't think when they voted for Donald Trump and they called it a vote to save America, it was far bigger than that. It's a save Western civilization. We, all of us have been given light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, we have. We now don't feel like we're alone. We now know that the most powerful nation in the world is warning our government. They're telling them, we're watching. What you're doing with your citizens, we're watching. And if we don't like it, maybe sanctions, whatever, they're putting pressure on the British government. So it's great for us, it's a great feeling to know that we have friends who, whether it be friends. I'm not saying they're our friends, but people who agree with free speech. Who, who. And the speech from J.D. vance in Munich and from Rubio, trying to sit there as up front, from my point of view, we've been silenced. We live in a post free speech era. Many don't realize that. And to sit and watch those speeches, it just lit me up just thinking right then, now they're getting told they're not going to be able to just continue what they've been doing. So, yeah, I'm blessed to be here, man. I'm blessed to be here. Joe, the love I've been shown. Ezra, my phone from Americans, random Americans, just families, please come to us for dinner. We'll cook for you just everywhere. I've got invites to pretty much every state in this country. So it's a beautiful feeling for me to know how attached people have been, how many people have followed my story. And the love that they show, they're showing me is great, man. It's from where I was 12 months ago. It was even nine months ago.
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Well, you've suffered for everyone. They saw your suffering, which you chose. I was there in court when you were sentenced to solitary and the judge said, he said to you, if you take down that offending tweet now, I will lop months off your sentence. And you did not bend the knee. I honestly don't know anyone else in the world who would choose to suffer for extra months on a point of principle that is extremely rare. I think people see that in you. And I'm not an expert in Christian theology, but I think there's something Christlike about suffering to aid your fellow man. Tommy. I think that's a reason people love you.
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Yeah, well, I think that. Look, it was a. It was successful. I don't say it was successful, but it was successful. 167 million people watched that film. They know the judiciary is corrupt. They know they lied.
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What was the name of the film again?
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Silenced.
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It was about free speech.
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Wasn't silenced, was I, guys?
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How did.
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How did that work? Justice Nicklin, let me ask you about
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the last day or two you've had here. And. And don't tell me any private meetings that you have to keep under your hat, but tell me the kind of folks you've been meaning. You just came from Con. What do you have planned? I mean, I'm sure a lot of people want a piece of you.
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We have lots plans. We've got a website. Tommy. In USA.com people can follow our journey, follow our story. Lots of important meetings with important individuals. I'm meeting some of the most fascinating, fascinating people in the world. People I've watched and wanted to shake their hand and thought I'd never get the opportunity to. I'm in the United States. I'm here. I'm enjoying every second of it. Yeah. Look, the UK population, Islamic population, is at 6%. And since Churchill and Gladstone, not one member of our parliament in all those years. We've had terrorist attacks, children blown up, 26 of them. We've had beheadings. We've had women stabbed in the throat. We've had all these mass killings in the name of Islam. Not one MP has ever mentioned it. The United States population is at 1%. They've already creating a fight back through members of Congress. I just come out of a meeting in Congress. They want to. They're at the point, Minnesota help. Nick Shirley. This is the importance of citizen journalism. Esri. I'd say, Ezra, you were the. How do I say? You were? The birth of independent media. In my eyes, you were the first. And look what's come from that. I come from working for you. Yeah. And look at now what come out. Nick. Shirley. Which is the best time for America to realize that they will turn a blind eye for the block vote of these. Of the Somali community.
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So you're connecting with Nick Shirley.
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Nick's. I'm meeting Nick tonight. I'm in Congress. We're interviewing another congressman tomorrow. I've met with. I met with Carrie late the other day and I've watched her. I watched what they did to her during the election. I'm meeting with some fascinating individuals and the best individuals, and I'm traveling around America. I'm really, as I said, I'm blessed to be here.
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I hope you can.
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My kids arrive soon.
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Well, that's going to Be amazing and you can let your hair down a little bit without the stress. I know that being in the UK is physically stressful because you always looking out of the corner of your eye. My hope is that you'll have access to some big platforms here. And the biggest of all is Joe Rogan. He's got an attention span, he talks to guests for two, three or more hours. Your story takes a few hours to tell to a newcomer that doesn't know what's going on in the uk. It's my hope that you'll get on some of these big shows. Do you have anything you can tell us about yet or is it still in the planning stages?
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I have non stop sit downs, interviews, Lara Logan, just so many people I've got a long list. Don't have Joe Rogan at the minute.
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We got to get him. Glenn Beck.
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Glenn Beck, yes. I mean I've spoke to Glenn Beck's.
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He's great.
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Yeah, he's brilliant. But I'd like when as you said to tell my story. You know the, the last thing they wanted. When I first told my story after five years of leading defense league the first opportunity I got to tell my story was at the Oxford Junior.
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That was amazing.
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And after that they banned me from every university because they don't want me telling my story.
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That video is, was your first million view video if I'm not mistaken.
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It's the most watched, most watched discussion Oxford University. So it was an ability for me to sit down in a calm environment and tell my story with evidence and tell and warn people and the reason why I think I come to America 10 years ago with a spit, with a warning to America which is what I'm here to do, warn America. I wish someone come to the UK 30, 40 years ago and said listen, this is what's going to happen, this is how it's going to happen. I'm not talking about what I've read in the book, I'm talking about life experience. I can tell you mass immigration, what it's going to do. You're going to become a minority. This is what's going to happen to freedom. This is what happens with Islam, this is what happens with the police. This is two tier policing. I can talk about every single aspect of it in a long form discussion. So I'd love the opportunity to tell that story. And, and it's not, it's important for me, it's important for Britain, it's important for America because the same problems over the last eight years by Joe Biden They've been. They're flooding in here.
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I think Joe Rogan would have the patience to listen. He'd have smart questions. He's very respectful of controversy. I think that would be a wonderful interview. Last question, Tommy, and thanks for letting me catch up with you. Ordinary people who support you probably want to come and hear you speak. And I know you did a couple of events in Canada, you just did a big event in Israel, of course, your massive events in London. Do you think you're going to have any occasions where you might give a speech in Washington or LA or something that ordinary people can sign up for and get a ticket to?
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Will you sort that out? Because I can't.
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I'll help. Oh, yeah, love to.
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I'm just literally, I said my feet have not touched the ground every minute of every day.
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I'm not good. I'd love to help.
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Yeah, help if you can, because I want more than anything, which is why we were going to go travel to some American families. So American families have reached out to me. I've always said we're by the people, for the people. I want to meet normal people. I want to meet the people.
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I think people would fill an auditorium to hear you give a talk like, like a presentation.
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I'd love to.
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All right.
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I'm here for a. I'm here for a little while, let's put it that way. Obviously, I've got my event May 16th in the UK going to be the biggest event where you come in.
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I'll be there.
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Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be the biggest event. So I've got a lot of work to do around that and a build up to it. But at the minute I'm, as I said, I'm waiting for my family to arrive. I'm gonna enjoy real relaxed time. I'm gonna work like crazy. Anyone who's been watching our content, we're producing, we're going to non stop. We're non stop. Whilst Aidan, the main man, is, is here. He goes home in probably 10 days. Then I'm having some time with my children and I can't wait.
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I'm really happy to hear that. Your kids obviously have paid the price their whole life. They're proud of their dad. I've met your kids, they love you and they believe in what you're doing, but just to have some normal time with dad doing fun stuff in America, which is great for road trips, it's bigger than the uk. You can stretch your legs.
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My son arrives tomorrow. He can't wait.
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Well, that's wonderful. Listen, I can't tell you how happy I am to see you. I remember when I visited you in solitary confinement in that prison and I could see what they were trying to break you and they didn't. And here you are. I think you're on top of the world and I can hardly wait to what you do next. Congratulations to you. And on behalf of everyone around the world who loves freedom, who loves the UK and who is worried about the things you have exposed, thank you for keeping up the fight, my friend, and
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all the best, thanks for always being there.
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There he is, Tommy Robinson in America. Who would have thunk it? Well, I'm excited and I'm happy for him and it gives me a little bit of hope. You know, the kids use the phrase black pill, which means everything's doomed, or blue pill means you're woke and red pill means you're sort of alive to the way the world is. Well, white pill, and I'm just using the kids lingo here is when you're really hopeful again and the success of Tommy just in the last year, from solitary confinement to toast of the town in America, it gives you a little bit of hope, doesn't it? Hey, stay with us. Here's an interview I did with Tracy Wilson on Canadian firearms. Hey, welcome back. Gun crime, as it's a new highs every week. I mean, do I need to tell you that there's a crime wave across Canada? And of course, the Toronto police response to that is to tell people to have their key fobs for their cars near the front door so that when their homes are invaded, it's easy for the criminals to get the key fobs. They don't have to go marauding through the house. If you think I'm kidding, let me refresh your memory with this embarrassing clip.
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There's also updated advice for all vehicle owners, a message echoed by Toronto police. Speaking at an Etobicoke safety meeting last month, Constable Marco Ricciardi had a new message for vehicle owners who keep their fobs in Faraday pouches.
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To prevent the possibility of being attacked in your home, leave your fobs at your front door because they're breaking into your home to steal your car. They don't want anything else. A lot of them that they're arresting have guns on them. And they're not toy guns, they're real guns. They're loaded. Yeah. So it's a lot easier to scapegoat law abiding gun owners to try and take on the Crime wave, some of which comes from overseas. I mean, you saw this the other day from the Surrey police. This was broadcast in both English and foreign languages, trying to convince, pleading with people in fact not to engage in extortion in the new country. Take a look at this official police statement in multi languages. Take a look.
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Have you been asked to help others extort people for money? Have you been offered money to shoot at a house or business or send threatening messages to people? Don't take the bait. You are being offered a small sum of money to take enormous risk that can harm you, your family and everyday hard working people. This is not why you came to Canada. You came to go to school, to find a better life, to be one of the first in your family to start something new. You did not come here to become a criminal. For many of you, your family or temple sponsored you. To be here. Committing these crimes isn't worth the dishonor, the shame and disappointment you would bring to those who have given so much for you to be here. Don't risk being arrested, jailed and removed from Canada. If you need help or you have confidential information, call our Surrey extortion tip line at the end. 236-485-5149. There is a reward fund of $250,000 available for information that helps us stop extortions in Surrey.
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Yeah, if someone is willing to extort another person and threaten to murder them, my guess is that simply scolding them and telling them to be a good Canadian isn't going to work. But what do I know? And as part of these placebos, as part of these misdirections, the government is targeting what they call assault style firearms. And they call it assault style firearms because they really don't have any other way to categorize the guns they don't like other than they look scary. I mean, what is an assault rifle after all? By the way, very few of these weapons would actually be used in a military assault. I remember not long ago the government of Canada said it was going to have a gun buyback and then it would give those guns to the Ukrainian military to defend themselves against the Russian invasion. The Ukrainians didn't want the little plinkers, the little pow, pow, pow guns. They want modern weapons. And the whole thing again was just a PR exercise. Joining us now to talk about the looming deadline for handing in your assault style program firearms is our friend Tracy Wilson for the Canadian Coalition of Firearms for Firearms Rights. Hey Tracy, nice to see you again.
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It's great to see you too. Ezra, thanks for having me on.
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You're welcome. You know, I think it's always, I mean, funny is the wrong word for it, but when, whenever there's a new cabinet minister in charge of firearms, if they go to a committee and someone like say Andrew Lawton, who knows a little bit of firearms, asks them what is an assault weapon or an assault style weapon and to see them bada ba di ba da. Stammering. They don't know. They just know. It's scary for them and scary for the public. Most of the ministers in Canadian history who have sought to ban guns have probably not even held one or maybe even seen one in real life.
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Well, that's probably why we've been through six public safety ministers in the last decade is. It's one of those files that it's almost a punishment to get it. And you're, you're right, there's no such thing as assault style firearm. An actual assault weapon was prohibited in Canada back in 1978. And those have full auto capability. There is no military in the world that uses the firearms that they are talking about under this confiscation program.
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Yeah, I mean the. They're not muskets. That's sort of old timey like the three Musketeers. But I mean, I'm not an expert in firearms either and I feel slightly inadequate whenever I talk about the subject as compared to my dear friend Sheiligan Reed, who's a firearms aficionado. But I am savvy enough to know that the low rate of fire weapons that are at home in ranches and farms across rural parts in some urban parts of Canada, they are not used to storm the beaches of normandy. Even in 1944, the beaches of Normandy were not stormed with little plink, plink, plink firearms. They just weren't. But I think the same sort of low information voter who would vote for the elbows up propaganda of Mark Carney would probably vote for the seizing of. I think they should just call them scary guns or mean looking guns because it, because that actually is what they're trying to encompass. Anything that looks scary. Why don't you say it?
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Yeah, well, that would be refreshing. In fact, you know, we've had a bunch of refreshing information lately. You'll remember the minister was honest with Canadians when he thought nobody was listening in that leaked audio that we had put out where he admitted this program is not going to do anything for public safety.
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Let me just play a clip of that. Let me stop you there, Tracy. I hate to stop you. Before you get going, I just want to refresh the memory of our viewers. This is Gary Ananda Sangri, who is very busy being an urban landlord. I guess he doesn't have a lot to do on his real job. And he was talking to a tenant and the tenant recorded it. And here is Gary Annanda Sangri, the public safety minister, saying, don't worry about it. It's all bs and if his tenant has a problem, he can go talk to him for special favors. Here's just a quick recap of that audio.
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I'll tell you, if I were to redo this from the beginning, like, I'm picking up where it was left off. Right. But you have the power. That's a rollback. But this is the mandate I was given by Carney to complete this. You guys look like fools rolling and like stepping back and not revisit this.
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Sure.
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That's. That's my objective. Right. Just to put an end to this and move on with other additional criminal justice tools, including on bail, including on, you know, increasing penalties for people who have illegal and, you know, unlicensed firearms. So a range of things that we're already going to be doing, but it's not new. This has been happening over a decade. I'll tell you, going forward, it'll be a different approach. Okay. This is completing something that was started five years ago that you know. But as the minister, you could sit down with Mark and say, listen, there's something we need to address these, We've had all these conversations like I've had for the last four months. It's been like constant, constant discussions on this to see what's next. Right. And the conclusion is, let's finish this because we committed to it in the campaign.
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I mean, the whole thing is a trick. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I just wanted to refresh the memory of our viewers.
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You were saying, yeah, well, and the minister usually tells the truth when he thinks nobody's listening. So it's interesting. But yes, just recently the government has come out, updated this program. So you'll remember, this program opened up for gun owners to of course, self report themselves to the government because, of course, the government has no idea who's got what or where it is. So the government has opened up the confiscation program, which to this point amounts nothing more than a website. It's just a portal to go and register your firearms. So in the first week, they had about 22 or 23,000 firearms reported to them. And that may sound like A big number. I mean, here we are a month later and they're only at 33,000. But you have to keep in mind that There are over 2 million affected firearms in this program. So uptake is ridiculously low. Canadians are not going for this program. And so in response, the RCMP has sent out a reminder, you know, just in case you forgot or maybe you didn't schedule it in to your agenda, but they sent out a reminder email kind of threatening you that if you don't get this done, there'll be repercussions, including possibly losing your firearms license.
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Yeah, you know, it's sort of weird for a paperwork crime, which I think this is sort of to turn thousands, hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of law abiding Canadians into criminals by virtue of them. Like, like they're the same people they ever were, but they are actually being criminalized. And one of the things, and I was just looking through some notes provided to me by our producer, like it's a deadline, the end of March. So March 30th. March 30th, you're fine. April Fool's Day. You're not now some. I was reading in, I think it was a note that you sent over. A member of the Canadian Armed forces who happens to own firearms privately as well, is overseas. If I'm not mistaken, he's deployed out of the country. My guess is he's probably over there in Latvia, you know, pretty much on the front lines with Russia. But his firearms back home, he's not able to deal with them. So literally a guy who is trained to fight and defend the west could be criminalized by this showboating Gary Ananda Sangaree trick. What do you know about that case? I think it was you who received that tip.
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Yeah, that's right. So it was a member who reached out to us. He is a current serving member of the military. And actually since I posted that, I've been bombarded by a bunch of other serving military members who are on deployment. And of course deployments are long. They're six to eight months in length. And he said, you know, I recognize that even if I fill out the declaration, I'm not likely to get paid because most, most gun owners will be ripped off. 95% of them will be. But he said when I went to go and access the portal, you have to provide a bunch of information about the firearms, like their serial numbers. And of course he's sitting across the pond, you know, and his gun safe is back here in Canada and he can't access it. So he called the Canadian Assault Style Firearms Compensation Program and said, hey, what do I do? I don't have this information with me. I didn't write it down and pack it in my kit to go overseas and train the Ukrainians. So they said, well, can your wife look at the firearms and look up the serial numbers? And he said, well, of course not. She doesn't have a firearms license. It would be illegal to give her access to those.
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Good one.
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Yes. And they're trying to catch him there. Right. The problem is, is his deployment goes out not just past the deadline for filling out the declaration. If you're going to try and, you know, maybe get paid, it goes out past the deadline that protects you until the end of October for the amnesty. So upon his re entry back into Canada at the end of his deployment, he will then be in illegal possession of a prohibited firearm that carries a very lengthy jail sentence and he will be subject to charges.
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Wow.
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And he's like, there's literally nothing I can do. I'm sitting over here deployed. What do I do about this? And so I've written to the minister, I've written to the Canadian Firearms Program, I've written to Public Safety. I don't know if they're aware of this problem. Like I said, I'm now being flooded by other serving members who have the same problem and there is no solution at this time. So, you know, we'll have to keep you updated on this. But this is actually a very serious oversight on their part and it criminalizes our serving members who are out there serving their country.
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You know, I'm old enough to remember the first gun registry under Alan Rock. Just billions of dollars. They didn't know what they were doing. They had no clue about firearms, them, let alone these are the people who spent billions in overruns on a payroll system in Ottawa. They, you know, there used to be a joke the Liberals talked about deliberology. They made up the word deliver ology, which just basically meant doing what you say you would do or doing what you're supposed to do. They don't do anything. The Liberal government is very, very good at putting out statements and proposals and plans, not so good at actually following through with them. And Gary Ananda Sangri is the biggest joke of all when he's not being a, like he's got this side hustle because apparently being a public safety minister isn't enough for him. Let me say this, I'm sure you have access to outstanding lawyers, but if the gentleman in question returns to Canada and faces charges or if others in his position do so. Unless there's a lawyer who is an expert in these matters who is otherwise provided for, will you do me a favor and contact me? Because I would be so outraged if a Canadian Armed forces serving member who's literally risking his life like that is not a risk free project he's on. And if he comes back to be criminalized, we would. I know our viewers would crowdfund a lawyer. If you don't need our help, don't worry about it because I know you guys have access to lawyers too, but the idea that these good guys could be treated worse than the criminals is intolerable to me.
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Yeah, me too. I mean, you know, I'm a military family. My daughter was on a deployment, she's actually getting set to go on another one. And just the idea that you're stuck in this situation because the government's only put so much Runway for this program, it's very short, in an effort to hurry up and get it done, that they haven't considered these issues and yeah, this is going to negatively impact a lot of people. It's, it's terrible. I'll absolutely connect you if he has a problem when he gets back.
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Yeah, I mean, obviously if he's got things in hand. That's good to know. You know, they really don't know what they're doing, the government, and I don't think that they're open to consulting because they regard lawful firearms owners as the bad guys. Like they would detest you more than an actual criminal. They just would because they regard you as an ideological enemy. So they would never take advice from you because it, it's got to be fake, it's got to be malicious. Like they have such an enemy's mindset and their friends are as clueless as they are. Anyhow, it's, it's just a crazy story and hopefully the government won't do anything stupid, but that's like, that's a vain hope, you know?
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Yeah, well, I don't, I don't have a lot of faith in this minister or this government. And you know, their track record on not just how they treat gun owners, but how they treat military members speaks for itself.
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So, you know, there's a US Senator from Louisiana, his name is John Kennedy, no relation to the late president, and he's got all these one liners and I just, when I think of Gary Ananda Sangri, I think of this one line from Senator Kennedy who said, you're not the dumbest person in the world, but you better hope the dumbest person in the world doesn't die. Yeah, I don't know if you heard that. And when I think of Gary Ananda Sangri, I mean, he may not be the dumbest, but Lord thunder. And he is close. Oh brother. I shouldn't be laughing. There's nothing funny about it. Even the fact that he's our public safety minister, given that he was a lawyer for a proscribed terrorist group, it's just shocking. Great to catch up with you, Tracy. Thanks for your help.
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Thanks. Thanks a lot, Ezra.
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All right, we'll do. There's Tracy Wilson of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights. Stay with us. Your letters to me next. Hey, welcome back. Here's your letters to me. On my interview with Michelle Remble. Garner gums 55, says Michelle Rempel is definitely on the right track. But like so many issues, nothing ever gets done. At least Danielle Smith gets things done. Shows our federal political system is useless, open for liberal corruption. Yeah. Now in fairness, Rebel Garner is in the opposition and the Liberals have an almost majority government. And if they were missing it anyways, they have the NDP and the block to give them a majority on things like immigration. So that's why someone like Danielle Smith can do things because she is the premier with a majority government. But remember, immigration is a federal matter. So Danielle Smith herself cannot stop the numbers of migrants. But she can do some of the things she's looking to survey the population on through referendums, such as stripping newcomers of free health care, free social services, free school until they meet certain conditions. So she is taking action steps. But don't be too hard on Rempel Garner for not being able to act because she's in the opposition. Christian Robert Damasi says total immigration moratorium, negative migration. We need to protect our nation, culture and identity. Be like Japan, you know, I'm so excited to see Japan. I had the opportunity to visit that country a couple years ago. It is so wonderful, I have to say. I mean, it's an alien culture. It's not like comfy like going to America or even the uk. It's very different, obviously the language is very different. But I really felt like I was in the presence of a superior civilization. It was so civilized. It was so happy and safe and peaceful and polite and self controlled. And I could tell you 100 things I loved about it. But I could see even the early signs of immigration corroding that. And one of the great things about Japan is their high trust society. And that comes from their homogeneity. They don't have riots in Japan. They don't have, I mean, I'm not saying it's a zero theft country, but it's pretty close to it. And I see that recently Japan has taken a hard line against immigration and that's one of the policies that caused their new leader to get a super majority government. So I am very excited about what Japan's doing. Glenn Parr says all part of the insane Mark Wiseman Century Initiative. You're so right. That crazy Century initiative to bring 100 million people to Canada. Of course they're coming from the third world. I mean you could fill Canada up 10 times over with people from Pakistan and Indonesia and Bangladesh. It's not Canada anymore. And by the way, they're not going to live in the vast expanse of Canada which is tundra. They're all going to Vancouver, Montreal, Calgary and, and, and Toronto. I mean it would be an unlivable city except for certain, you know, gated community enclaves. And now the head of the Century Initiative, if I'm not mistaken, he's our new ambassador to the United States. Just madness. Last letter from Andrew McPherson. Cice, the Canadian ice is needed. You're so right. I mean, I have put it to Michelle Remble Gardner a few times now. Would you be into mass deporting these overstayers? And she says yes. Okay, well who's going to physically do that? You can cut people off or try to from their benefits and that might cause some to self deport. But let's get real. You're going to have to take a firm hand and get people out of this country. I mean, you're going to need 10 flights a day for a year. Does the Conservative Party. Do Canadians have the stomach for that? Maybe one day we'll find out. That's our show for the day. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World headquarters, to you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.
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Sam.