EZRA LEVANT | How activist-driven human rights tribunals are weaponized against free speech in Canada

Summary

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Podcast Summary:

Rebel News Podcast

Episode: Ezra Levant | How activist-driven human rights tribunals are weaponized against free speech in Canada

Date: May 2, 2026
Host: Ezra Levant
Guest: Barbara Kay, National Post columnist

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Overview

This episode examines how Canada's human rights tribunals, particularly the B.C. Human Rights Tribunal, have become tools in the hands of activists to suppress free speech and punish dissent—especially around transgender ideology and gender-critical perspectives. Ezra Levant and Barbara Kay discuss the weaponization of the tribunals, the notorious figure of Jonathan Yaniv, massive recent penalty decisions, erosion of due process, and the chilling effect on journalism and political discourse. The conversation also broadens to themes of institutional capture, censorship, legal overreach, Indigenous land rights controversies, and the rising tide of anti-Semitism in Canada.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Jonathan Yaniv Cases and Vexatious Litigation

• Jonathan Yaniv’s Tactics:

  • Levant recounts Yaniv’s pattern of targeting women estheticians with human rights complaints for refusing to provide intimate services ([01:19]-[08:08]).
  • Yaniv’s complaints are strategically directed at vulnerable individuals and media figures, aiming to punish critics and exploit legal loopholes.
  • Example of Yaniv assaulting Rebel News journalists, including a racially charged tirade against correspondent Drea Humphrey.

• Quote:

  “Jonathan Yaniv is a violent, abusive monster.”
  — Ezra Levant, [06:05]

• Tribunal Complicity:

  • The tribunal’s willingness to hear repeated complaints from someone already identified as a vexatious litigant is critiqued as both a waste of resources and an abdication of legal standards.

2. The Barry Neufeld Case and Exorbitant Penalties

• Neufeld Case Summary:

  • $750,000 fine imposed on Barry Neufeld, a school trustee, for speaking out against transgender curriculum.
  • Kay highlights the impossibility for Neufeld to pay, underscoring the punishment's symbolic intent ([09:59]-[12:09]).

• Discussion:

  • Such penalties are seen as efforts to chill speech, set punitive precedents, and frighten others into silence.

• Quote:

  “This was not what the Human Rights Tribunals were meant to be.”
  — Barbara Kay, [11:17]

3. Tribunal Structure and Lack of Accountability

• Non-Judicial Appointments:

  • Neither lawyers nor judges necessarily preside over the tribunals; most are activists by ideology ([16:33]-[16:53]).
  • Lack of oversight and political accountability compared to U.S. systems.

• Quote:

  “You do not go to sit on a human rights tribunal if you’re a neutral person. They positively have a mandate to be, quote, progressive.”
  — Ezra Levant, [16:53]

4. Chilling Effects and Institutional Capture

• Targeting Journalists & Public Figures:

  • Multiple media outlets (Rebel News, Western Standard, National Post) and individuals are ensnared by Yaniv’s complaints.
  • Process is costly, funded by taxpayers, and designed to exhaust and intimidate ([18:30]-[20:02]).

• Quote:

  “You’re even allowed to do this, just sort of pick a slate of public facing people...and that this is now costing taxpayers all this money to process.”
  — Barbara Kay, [19:36]

• “Pour Encourager Les Autres”

  • High-profile punishments are primarily to deter others.
  • “It’s to terrify the others... that’s what they did with Barry Neufeld.”
    —Ezra Levant, [31:33]

5. Censorship, Bill C-9, and International Comparisons

• Legislation and Social Media:

  • Discussion of the (potential) Online Harms Act and powers for censorship ([25:40]-[28:07]).
  • Example: Human Rights Tribunal fined X (Twitter) $100,000 for not removing content Canada-wide and in the US.

• UK/US Contrasts:

  • UK Supreme Court has rebuffed transgender legal overreach; the US also sees pushback.
  • Kay and Levant argue Canada is “doubling down” instead of recalibrating ([29:40]-[31:33]).

6. Indigenous Land Rights, UNDRIP & Eroding Certainty

• Land Ownership Insecurity:

  • Discussion of BC’s adoption of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) and land acknowledgments.
  • Raises fears about land owners’ rights being undermined; Levant calls the process “truly crazy stuff” ([33:17]-[35:25]).

• Quote:

  “When you tell people that, you make them insecure about the ownership of their own home... that’s when revolutions start.”
  — Barbara Kay, [34:51]

7. Rising Antisemitism & Future of Pluralism

• Concerns over Immigration and Antisemitism:

  • Both Levant and Kay express deep worry about Canada’s demographic changes fueling Jew-hatred, and the failure of Canadian institutions to respond ([36:50]-[38:55]).

• Quote:

  “Jews are the first to go. They’re the canary in the coal mine, but they’re never the last. ...Christians are next.”
  — Ezra Levant, [38:55]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Levant on institutional activism:

  “Instead of protesting outside the Dean's office, [activists] are the dean.”
  [10:02]

• Barbara Kay on Human Rights Tribunal cases:

  “I think vexatious really is the word.”
  [08:08]

• On the international impact and mockery:

  “We are an international mockery...it's a national embarrassment when that happens.”
  — Barbara Kay, [24:01]

• On “land acknowledgments” and property rights:

  “People are standing like it’s some religious service...If British Columbians...do you even own your land?”
  — Ezra Levant, [33:17]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:19]–[08:08] – Introduction of Yaniv’s cases, pattern of tribunal abuse, and recent offences
• [09:25]–[12:09] – Barry Neufeld case, use of excessive damages
• [13:58]–[16:53] – Lack of political/judicial accountability in tribunals
• [18:30]–[22:32] – Recent complaints, breadth of impact on journalists, Twitter/X tribunal ruling
• [24:01]–[25:25] – International ridicule and free speech erosion in Canada
• [25:40]–[28:07] – Censorship, pending legislation, Mark Miller and Bernie Farber panel
• [29:40]–[31:33] – International trends: UK and US rollbacks contrasted to Canada’s “doubling down”
• [33:17]–[35:25] – Indigenous land rights, homeowner insecurity under UNDRIP
• [36:50]–[38:55] – Rising antisemitism, threats to pluralism and future violence

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Tone and Language

The conversation is candid, polemical, and combative, marked by skepticism toward Canadian institutions, palpable frustration with legal and media developments, and a persistent call to vigilance. The speakers employ vivid metaphors, cultural references, and occasionally dark humor to underscore their warnings about current trends.

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Episode Takeaway

Levant and Kay portray a Canada where activist-driven tribunals, emboldened by ideology and unchecked by accountability, threaten the core rights of free expression and property while enabling vexatious complaints to inflict financial and reputational harm. The episode connects these legal trends to broader issues of cultural and political transformation—likening Canada’s trajectory to a warning sign for Western democracy.

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This summary captures all major themes, notable moments, and direct quotes for those who missed the episode, spotlighting the speakers’ urgent tone and concerns for Canada’s legal and cultural future.

Transcript

[Ezra Levant]

Hello, my friends. Big show today. One of my favorite people, Barbara Kay. We've got her for more than half an hour. We're going to talk about everything I can think of it, from transgender extremism to censorship to the liberal government. One of the smartest people out there. I'm so glad she writes for the National Post because that gives her an audience into places that maybe Rebel News doesn't reach. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. That's the video version of this podcast. Just go to rebel news plus.com, click subscribe and Bob's your uncle. Not only you get great video content, but you get the satisfaction of keeping Rebel News strong because we take no government money and it shows. Oh, yeah, one more thing.

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[Ezra Levant]

You're listening to World News Podcast Foreign. Tonight, a feature conversation with our dear friend Barbara Kay of the National Post. We're going to talk about malicious lawsuits that half a dozen journalists have just been hit with. It's May 1st and this is the Ezra Levant Show. Shame on you, you Censori. When Rudy Giuliani was the mayor of New York City, I had the pleasure, it really was a privilege, of attending a policy meeting in New York to find out how he cleaned up the city, how he cracked down on the crime, how he turned it from the most dangerous big city in America to the most safe. And one of the things I learned, and it stuck with me, and this is more than 20 years ago now, is the knowledge that all it took to terrorize an entire city block was one bad hombre, as Trump would say. So just a very small number of full time antagonists could terrorize and terrify hundreds of people to keep them off their porches, to keep them locked behind locks and bars on their windows. And there was a discovery that if they scooped up just actually quite a small number of bad guys in any neighborhood, it would be like the scales would fall and a sun would rise and the entire block would be safe. I don't know. I thought that was an interesting thing that I probably wouldn't have guessed how small a number of people can terrorize a large number of people and the reason I mentioned that to you today is, is because we have someone in Canada like that. And I first heard about him with this aura of mystery, because he was anonymous. Word trickled out from the B.C. human Rights Tribunal that there was this monster who was taking countless women to the Human Rights Tribunal, Typically immigrant women, including those who didn't have a good command of English or know their rights. What he would do, this man is he would book a meeting with estheticians for a waxing. And most of these women worked from home. It was a way to get a second income in the family. And of course, they're used to waxing women. And this big bloke would show up, this 250 pound man, and say, wax my balls. And if they didn't, he would say, that's discrimination on. On the basis of gender expression or gender identity. And the B.C. human Rights Tribunal is the only thing crazier than him. And so they took these cases and there were little rumors coming out of that courtroom because the man who had brought all these trumped up charges managed somehow to convince the tribunal to keep his name secret. And it was only once that somehow broke, that the name Jonathan Yaniv and his face and his monstrosity became known to the world. And the embarrassed Human Rights Tribunal resiled from the cla. They were as much to blame as him. In fact, they were far worse. He is some malicious, vexatious litigant, but they were the ones that ran with him. Well, that was about 10 years ago now. And we have been covering the case of Jonathan Yaniv for years as he has gone on his transgender journey. And along the way, he has assaulted probably close to half a dozen rebel news reporters. He is a violent man by nature. He now has a criminal record. I just want to show you some of the interactions he's had with us and whether it's Sheila Gunn Reed, Dre Humphrey, Cian Bexty, now our alumnus, David Menzies. Jonathan Yaniv is a violent, abusive monster. And let me show you the latest interaction between him and Dre Humphrey of our team. And as you know, Dre is black. Take a look at this disgusting man. Take a look. Nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger, nigger. You. I have the picture of your kid on here, by the way. You want to see? You like that? You like that, Drea? It's a fucking little ditch. Go. Hey, Sheriff, this guy's up for assault. Why aren't you protecting this recorder?

[Barbara Kay]

Back off.

[Ezra Levant]

Do you know what off means? I. I'll get him. I'll get him to bite you, dog. I'll get him to bite you. Threaten me, I will kill you. You're going to send another bomb threat to my phone. I'm watching you. Well, I'll just call her a flat

[Barbara Kay]

out in her face.

[Ezra Levant]

I'll be like off. Will you be pleading guilty? What? Go. No, don't touch me. Don't touch me.

[Barbara Kay]

Stop.

[Ezra Levant]

Go away from me. Go away. My iPad.

[Barbara Kay]

Now.

[Ezra Levant]

Huh? Go away. Go away.

[Barbara Kay]

Go away.

[Ezra Levant]

You just smashed your cane over my head. Rebel Media. Rebel Media.

[Barbara Kay]

Hey G. Keep your hands off me.

[Ezra Levant]

Do you have any weapons on you? Go away. Hey, don't. Go away. Don't touch me. Go away. The good news is that people are starting to wise up to Jonathan Yaniv. He sued Rebel News in civil court a couple years ago and we managed to get it thrown out as a slap suit. Strategic litigation against public participation. The judge agreed that it was not a real lawsuit, it was just his malice showing through. Well, since then he's been wise enough to stay out of the real courts where you can get a slap suit thrown out. And he's gone back to his original place, the cuckoos at the B.C. human Rights Tribunal, perhaps the stupidest quasi judicial tribunal in Canada. Actually, they're not stupid. I wish they were. They're quite cunning. What they are is. And like Yaniv, in his own way, they are so contrary to norms of the law. Recently, Yaniv has filed a spate of vexatious complaints against any media who criticize him or his views of transgenderism. I'm talking about the Western Standard, Juno News, Rebel News, and our dear friend Barbara Kay of the National Post, who joins us now. Now, Barbara, great to see you again. I have no doubt that what I've just said will yield yet another human rights complaint. To hell with that.

[Barbara Kay]

Yeah, thanks for having me on. And I know we're comrades in arms on this issue. Truly, I don't want to prejudice my own case by saying anything about the BC Human Rights Tribunal or anybody on it, but I do agree with you that I think they call him a prolific litigant. But I think vexatious really is the word. And it's too bad that they're wasting time and taxpayers money on hearing any more of his complaints, which by the way, follow suspiciously quickly upon the heels of the massive damages decision against Barry Neufeld. $750,000, an unheard of amount for damages in a, in a complaint at that, you know, at the, at the tribunal. So that, that to me, sort of is a little bit suspicious and suggests a certain. Could be a certain motive in following on the heels of that, I'm certainly

[Ezra Levant]

not going to press you to say anything that would prejudice your case. I suppose I've. I've been through this rodeo so many times. It's. I've got as many arrows in me as a porcupine. So I, you know, it's just throw another log on the fire. But, you know, about 20 years ago, I read a book that really opened my eyes, and I read it twice. And, you know, I should go back and read it a third time. It was called Rules for Radicals, and it was written by Saul Alinsky, who was a communist activist who was an inspirer of Barack Obama. In fact, I think Hillary Clinton even sort of interned with him.

[Barbara Kay]

She wrote her MA thesis, didn't she, on him.

[Ezra Levant]

Good for you. Yeah. You know your history. Sol Alinsky basically wrote the book. It's called Rules for Radicals. That was the strategy for 60s counterculture revolution. And I guess I would sum it up with one image. You can protest outside the Dean's office at your university. You can have a sit in. You can have some sort of passive resistance protest. You can do that. Or as Sol Alinsky would say, why don't you become the dean yourself? And that's the thing, I think, with the Human Rights tribunals is Jonathan Yaniv is the protester. He's the radical, he's the troublemaker. But far more effective, far more dangerous, is the tribunal itself that is staffed by a bevy of Yanivs who were just a little bit smarter and a little bit more disciplined. And I'm glad you reminded me of the case of Barry Neufeld, I think is his name, who was hit with a $750,000 fine by the same BC Human Rights Tribunal for his critical comments about transgenderism, which you might argue as an elected politician, he is paid to have those opinions, and he's not.

[Barbara Kay]

And, and he, and he, he's a person who is impossible for him to pay even a fraction of that. He lives in a trailer. He didn't. He didn't. He didn't criticize any specific person. He criticized a curriculum, but they treated it as though it was a class action suit by teachers who felt aggrieved because they felt personally offended by the fact that he was critical of the curriculum. So that mass, that huge number, it's as if each teacher, I think it is actually each teacher in the Chilliwack association of Teachers Teachers association, is slated to get A portion of that which is never going to be forthcoming. But that was the general idea. This was not what the Human Rights Tribunals were meant to be.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, and that's not what it's allowed to do under law either. They're just literally making it up as they go. Barry Neufeld, as far as I know, has not been charged with any offense. He's not charged with any crime. And the size of that penalty is enormous. It's the kind of thing that you would. I mean, it's just, it's unheard of. Our charter would say that's cruel and unusual punishment. It's certainly both. And it's not the, it's not the business of the Human Rights Tribunal. He has not been charged, let alone convicted of a hate crime or a hate speech. These are just Yaniv style activists who, instead of protesting outside the Dean's office, are the dean. And I think that the B.C. human Rights Tribunal is an enemy of, of the law. I think they are rogues and renegades and I wonder how long they'll be allowed to continue because of this deference to authority. That is so Canadian, isn't it? We just, we don't even criticize our judges in the United States. Judges are politically accountable. There's at least going into it. They're screened in the case of federal judges or senior judges, appeal judges. They have to go before the US Senate and are grilled and sometimes they're withdrawn when bad stuff about them comes out. Our Canadian judges are just as political, they're just not held to political account. Like, you can probably even name some of the most famous cases of judges being kept out. Robert Bork being a very famous case from, I don't know, about 40 years ago, a very conservative judge who the Senate just said, we're not letting this guy in. And we don't have that same political accountability in Canada. Do you know, I bet you could probably name more American Supreme Court judges than Canadian Supreme Court judges.

[Barbara Kay]

Am I wrong? No, not at all. They're appointed. They're kind of very distant from us. We don't, you know, they. But I mean, the Supreme Court is the least of our troubles right now. We have judges every day. In the National Post, I read another story about a judge making a crazy decision. There was a judge that got very angry or annoyed with one of a defendant who had had 90 prior convictions and who had an Indigenous name but was not claiming an Indigenous discount on his sentence.

[Ezra Levant]

Right.

[Barbara Kay]

Because he said he had no particular Indigenous access to grind. And the Judge was berating him and saying, look here, you know, you gotta take this discount, I think. I mean, it's comic in a way, what's happening, but to the justice system little by little. But I guess it was inevitable that what was creeping up through the arts, you know, the arts courses, the humanities for all these years eventually was going to arrive at the law schools. And it did some time ago. And now we're seeing the fruits of that ideological creep.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, I mean, take Yaniv. There's an extremist in terms of transgenderism. He's an extremist in terms of how he deals with people. That's why he's a convicted criminal. He, you know, I mean, he brandishes prohibited weapons. He's violent. We know that from his interactions. He's at absolute bigot, completely racist. You saw his treatment of Draya. And a man like that would normally be on the margins of society, but because people just like him have done the long march through the institutions, there are people just like him in every university in Canada, but also human rights tribunals. The BC one is the worst, I would say, in quote, real courts, as you just mentioned, the criminal courts and in other institutions. I mean, we just heard about the absolute nuttiness in the Canadian military, some of their lowering standards, just to juice the numbers. I don't know, I just think that the pendulum is swinging back in terms of public opinion. But what is an unelected, unaccountable BC Human Rights Charter? You don't care about public opinion. What does the Supreme Court care about?

[Barbara Kay]

Yeah, they don't have to care. They don't have to care because they're really not accountable. And most of them, if I'm not mistaken, are not lawyers themselves. They, I think you can get on these tribunals. You get appointed, don't you? And you. I don't know. I don't even know what the criteria is.

[Ezra Levant]

None of them are judges, many of them are not lawyers, and all of them by definition, are activists. You do not go to sit on a human rights tribunal if you're at neutral person. They positively have a mandate to be, quote, progressive. So they've institutionalized one particular biased way of looking at the world. And I say again, I mean, Yaniv would be a spent force. He's discredited, he's convicted of crimes. He's been deemed by the courts of B.C. to be a slap lawsuit guy. But the last resort is the Human Rights Tribunal, who has basically decided to be a national censor. As I said at the beginning Yaniv weaponizing the Human Rights Tribunal. And the reason that's important is he doesn't have to hire a lawyer himself, doesn't have to pay a bill himself. So the taxpayers of British Columbia have handed Yaniv a weapon that he is now shooting at anyone he disagrees with in the media. You, me, Drea, Juneau News, Western Standard. I don't know who else. How would we know if he doesn't. There may be a hundred just like he went after so, so many of these immigrant women who wouldn't wax his privates. I got, I phoned the Human Rights Tribunal when we got hit with a complaint from him a couple years ago. I phoned them, I said, you know who this guy is? You know, he's just been deemed a slap litigant. They said, oh yeah, we know. Like they're not unaware of what they're doing. They would consider it a feature, not a bug.

[Barbara Kay]

Yeah. Which makes me think that if this does come to a trial, because I think they're pretty backlogged and they still have to accept it. I've gotten notice of a complaint, but they still have to accept it. So it might take a few years. And of course, as you say, it could easily, it could easily go against us. I have a Justice center for Constitutional Freedoms, very kindly, you know, are defending me and I spoke to their lawyer or the lawyer that's affiliated with them and, and he, he is, he is defending 4 of respondents and Dallas Brody.

[Ezra Levant]

Right. She's a provincial politician in bc.

[Barbara Kay]

Yes. She's brave. Megan Murphy, she's great.

[Ezra Levant]

She's a, she's a classical feminist. If I may.

[Barbara Kay]

Yes. At Derek. Phil De Brand from the Western Standard. Yeah, and me. But there's others. There's Chris Elton, you know, the.

[Ezra Levant]

Oh, Billboard Chris. Yeah, we know him well.

[Barbara Kay]

Yeah, yeah. And I'm sorry I can't remember the others, but it's just a whole slew. And really that you're even allowed to do this, Just sort of pick a slate of public facing people who've tweeted or whatever and misgendered you and that this is now costing taxpayers all this money to process.

[Ezra Levant]

What surprised me if everyone you just listed got whacked with $100,000 penalty. I mean, why not? If you give poor barry neufeld a $750,000 quote fine and nothing happens to you. No grown up pushes back. No, the Premier doesn't say that's nuts. The Justice Minister doesn't say that's nuts. You're not defrocked by the law society. Like if you do something as very as. As clearly insane as punish an old man on a school board with a $750,000 fine because he said things about transgenderism that frankly, most people would generally agree with, even if his language was a bit sharp sometimes. If you do that and have no negative feedback from the universe, what are you to conclude other than you're on the right track and so of course it's going to happen again. By the way, I read a story out of B.C. that the social media platform X, formerly called Twitter, was hauled before the B.C. human Rights Tribunal because an anonymous complainant, I'll let you guess who that is, didn't like a post. So X or Twitter, Geo blocked it. So you cannot see that tweet in Canada. So Twitter basically said, okay, if there's some Canadian rules, we'll see. No one in Canada can see the tweet. This anonymous complainant pressed on and this human Rights tribunal said, we are fining x or Twitter $100,000 because they didn't take it down in America. So you. So these B.C. human Rights Tribunal fake judges, they're not real judges. Why would they stop? I mean, today Barry Neufeld, tomorrow the world. I mean, and why wouldn't they hit. Go ahead.

[Barbara Kay]

Can they force an American based company to pay anything? I mean, I don't know.

[Ezra Levant]

We'll find out. I think that Twitter is appealing the ruling. But seriously, if you can, you know, you're these little human rights judges in Vancouver and you're on a roll. You got Barry Neufeld for 3/4 of a mil. I'm just surprised they didn't hit Elon Musk with a billion dollar fine. How about just say a gazillion, we fine you a gazillion dollars. It's. I mean, why not dime in for a dollar in for a gazillion dollars.

[Barbara Kay]

I mean, the funny thing is that Yaniv is actually, with all the notoriety, he's bringing out every troll and he had. Like, I saw one troll on X who was taunting him and saying, give it your best shot. You know, I'm American, I've got the First Amendment, you know, you can't do anything to me. Go on, go on. And then he called him all kinds of names and I was, I thought, you know, really, he is actually attracting more of what he claims to feel is so grievously offensive to him. There's actually a whole website devoted to Yaniv. Can I say that? Can I say the website's name? Sure, It's Meowmix Online. Have you seen it?

[Ezra Levant]

I don't know if I have, but that's a great name.

[Barbara Kay]

It's really something I have to say.

[Ezra Levant]

I mean, some viewers might be saying, why are you guys talking so much about this fringe character? Well, because it's a great question. Because he's a kook. He's normally the kind of person you would just sort of cross the street just to get away from him. If you saw him on the street, if you were in the bus or transit, you would get off the bus and ride on a different car. But he's managed to hijack the legal system first against these visible minority women estheticians and now against journalists. So it's not just a story about one kook. It's a story about how one kook has hijacked all these institutions and turned them into.

[Barbara Kay]

It's definitely a story about our culture and our. The trivialization of the law, the trivialization of freedom of speech, all of those things. We are an international mockery. And I should think that that should in itself be a reason for the tribunals to sort of, you know, really do some self interrogation. Say, are we. Is this. Is this really working? Are we achieving our goal of. I guess the goal is to set a standard for what is public discourse, the dignity of public discourse or whatever, whatever they think their mandate is. But it's having the opposite effect because it's inviting very vicious mockery online on social media. And in my estimation, it's a national embarrassment when that happens. When people perceive that, it always starts with good intentions. We want to have dignified discourse on certain subjects and look where we are now. It's become an international joke.

[Ezra Levant]

You know, I sometimes travel to the United Kingdom because I'm interested in Tommy Robinson and free speech. And I've always said that what happens there happens here five years later.

[Barbara Kay]

Sure.

[Ezra Levant]

And I think it's true with censorship. You heard Mark Miller the other day saying that we're falling behind the UK and the EU in terms of censorship. That's exactly what I've been saying. And so he wants us to go down that road. One of the things I want to

[Barbara Kay]

talk about Mark Miller for a minute. Yeah, Mark Miller. It was just a few years ago when he was Crown Aboriginal relations and he was online himself calling people like me, but also scholars like Francis Widdowson and all the others who have gotten into trouble. Denialists. Yeah, because they. Even then, you know, kamloops. The whole Kamloops story is now Five years old. And it was during that time when scholars, true scholars of residential school history were saying, look, you can't talk about these children's deaths unless we know for certain that they're there. And so far we don't know and we have no evidence. And anybody who would say that was considered a denialist. And he himself, this was a Minister of the Crown, was online saying, these people are denialists, they should be punished. This is wrong. He really got into it in a very harsh way. And I do worry that once Bill C9 is passed, the Online Harms act, which is very near to passage. Right.

[Ezra Levant]

I think it may have a different name. I don't think they brought back the Online Harms act yet.

[Barbara Kay]

What is it now?

[Ezra Levant]

It was called, it's gone through a couple names because it keeps expiring. But they have indicated they're going to bring it back. I don't think it's got a new number. It's had two different numbers, I think, so far.

[Barbara Kay]

Okay, but isn't it near passage?

[Ezra Levant]

It is not near passage. There's other bills are. So if you were talking about the one that creates a new board of censors, that creates new powers for the Human Rights Commission, that was, that used to be called, I think B, it was 36 and then 63. That bill has not been revived. Other powers have and I think C9 might be one of them. I'm sorry, I don't have it in front of me. But the one that was called the Online Harms Act, I do not believe it's been reintroduced yet. And I could be wrong. It's hard to keep up because it's changed in the last year. But Mark Miller says he wants goes back and he's revived his censorship panel of experts, which includes, for example, the former chair of the so called anti hate network, Bernie Farber.

[Barbara Kay]

Bernie? Oh, yes, yes.

[Ezra Levant]

And remember, they took $25,000 from the Southern Poverty Law center, which has just been indicted for propping up hate groups. Anyway, we're getting a little bit far afield. But let me just close the loop on Mark Miller, if I may, for one second. It's not so much on him, but when I'm in the uk, I've detected something over there. And you've probably heard of the Tavistock center, that was a real transgenderism surgery place. And you may have heard that they've sort of been rebuked and are pulling back. And the UK Supreme Court has ruled that a man, there's a man and a woman there Ain't nothing in between. So the UK Supreme Court has clarified that men are not women, that transgender extremism has dialed back. That's the UK In America, Donald Trump has pulled the plug on most transgenderism in sports and in other women's places. If you look around the world, the pendulum is swinging back in the uk One last thing. There's something. I met a guy who is the leader of something called the Gay Men's Network. And what is the Gay Men's Network? It's the L, the G and the B without the T. And if you listen to those guys, they'll say they are undermining gay rights. The T is so wacky and so transgressive, and it's such a, such a wrecking ball of Western culture. And by the way, something I've heard time and again from people, not only the Gay Men's Network, but other places, they say, I'm a gay man. If I were young today, I would have been told, no, you're not a gay man, you're trans. And they would have cut me up. They would have chopped me up. So one of the reasons that the, the Gay Men's Network is active is they think that transgenderism has gone too far and it's not in their interest. And they say it is positively mutilating. Young gay men, come back to Canada. We are the worst of all worlds. We have not pulled back from the extremism.

[Barbara Kay]

We've doubled down, we're doubling down.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, and Yaniv is a proof of that.

[Barbara Kay]

Exactly. And the people, the most strident voices who, the true believers who are in power, they are doubling down because to admit, even to give an inch to the idea that, well, maybe we went a little too far, they can't. Because once you've got that little wedge in the wall, it's a house of cards. It'll start to crumble. And they know that. So they are just hanging in there to the bitter end. We've got bitter enders all through in every institution, pedagogy, sport associations. They just, they won't give in. And they're proud of it. While they talk as though they're proud of it, you know, that they call it inclusion. They're continuing to call it inclusion, the right to participate in sports, even though this is, you know, there's nobody stopping trans people from participating in their sex category, their own sex category. We are in so many ways one of the wokest countries on earth now.

[Ezra Levant]

And, you know, I was just thinking while you were talking there that the reason they hit Barry Neufeld with 750 grand is not because they think they can collect 750 grand from Barry Neufeld. It's, as they would say, pour encourager les autres. It's to terrify the others. It's to say, we'll do this to you too. You want a piece of this? It's sort of like the old saying, in your first day of prison, go up and fight someone, and if you win, you'll never have to fight. You know, set an example. And everyone says, ooh, that guy. Well, that's what they. The B.C. human Rights Tribunal just did with Barry Neufeld. And that's what they're doing by accepting these lawsuits against you and me and Western Standard and Juno and Billboard, Chris Elston and Megan Murphy is they're trying to say, hey, if you talk about transgenderism in a way we don't like, we're gonna put you through a $50,000 legal process, so better shut up. He's an enforcer. Yaniv is a kook, but he's an enforcer, and he's been weaponized by the system. You know, I tell you, I think the pendulum is swinging back in the court of public opinion, but the institutions are hardlined. I wanna talk about one last thing. I know you've been very generous with your time, but I feel like it's related in some way. And you've already touched on the hoax of the 215 buried bodies, which, of course, is. Is not accurate. You know, we were talking the other day with a lawyer from the justice center for Constitutional Freedoms about a mom and a daughter who objected to a land acknowledgment. You know, you go to an event, they start off by talking about, and. And by the way I sit through those, I do not stand. People are standing like it's some religious service or something.

[Barbara Kay]

Yeah.

[Ezra Levant]

And, you know, it's trite and it's. Oh, it's the latest thing. It's the fashion. I mean, it would be like, you know, wearing a, I don't know, Ukraine pin on your lapel or something shows that you're up to date. But all of a sudden, in British Columbia now, the land acknowledgment has a bit of meaning. Someone actually listened to it. And the concept of indigenous title is now throwing into question if British Columbians, who are on land that was not ceded in a treaty, do you even own your land? And I think now thousands, perhaps millions of British Columbians are thinking, oh, my God. I've worked my whole life. All my savings are in my home. And now, because the woke lawyers are now woke judges and woke politicians, you're saying I don't even know my own home and you're making secret deals. They call it Drip of the. The. It's about indigenous rights.

[Barbara Kay]

Yes. I always forget what it stands for, but I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, it's the Declaration of. There's a UN version. The UN Declaration of Rights. That's right. And part of the reason it's hard to remember and hard to say is to keep it obscure. So most normal people don't bother reading about something called drip. Who would waste time on that? But all of a sudden, a bunch of British Columbians are thinking, oh, my. Including, by the way, a lot of newcomers who had nothing to do with battles 150 years ago who are now being told that they may not own their land. I think it's part of the same thing. The courts are over there, the people are over there, and something's got to break, something's got to give.

[Barbara Kay]

Well, I think that's the issue that. I mean, when you tell people that you make them insecure about their ownership of their own home, people get more than a little. You know, they'll do more than raise their voice. That's when revolutions start, because you can't be fooling around with. With people's own homes and their ownership, and that's their equity. As you say, this is. This is truly crazy stuff. So it's. It could end very badly. I don't know. It's so bad out there.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah. I don't know how it's going to end. I mean, that's why I was riveted recently by what was going on in Ireland. Remember, the Irish have a bit of a rebellious streak. I mean, they had a rebellion against the British Empire and incredibly managed to boot them out. I mean, they. They talk about 800 years of resistance. I mean, it's quite dramatic to hear the language. And of course, they had the troubles just a generation ago, so it was the first time in my life I was listening to a speech in Ireland by a. By a protester against mass immigration. And. And this was a political leader who said, now it's not the time. It's not the time for violence. And he sort of said like, yeah, yet. Which is a shocking thing for a Canadian's ears to hear. But in Ireland, the idea of getting physical and kinetic is not so deep in their past that they've Forgotten it and it's still on the table. So I, I go to the UK to be depressed and I go to Ireland to get a tiny flicker of hope of what might happen if a feisty, rebellious, cohesive country of just 5 million souls decides they've had enough. So I think the. The jury is still out. And then, of course, there's America. Yeah, I don't know. The world's a crazy place and Canada is one of the craziest. Barbara, I'm really grateful that you are at the National Post because you have a large audience there. Just give us one minute. What are you working on these days? Do you have a new column coming out or do I. Yeah, I'm working on.

[Barbara Kay]

I'm working on what I'm. I'm actually trying to decide between a couple. I have a couple of topics. They're all around the same topic, but. So I haven't quite decided for next week. But it's. These days I'm pretty absorbed with what's going on in the war in Israel, anti Zionism, the escalation of violence here in Canada, the failure of Canada to deal with the problem. I worry a lot about what happened in Australia could happen here quite easily because not much happening in the way of prevention, stuff like that.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, me too. I mean, I remember saying very early after the Hamas attack on southern Israel, I said, I'm not that worried about Israel. I think they'll be able to take care of themselves. What does deeply worry me is what happens here in Canada, because although Israel has a larger percentage of Muslims in Canada, they understand some of the challenges there. And Canada is pretending that diversity is our strength. I don't know what this year's stats will be for mass immigration, but I'm sure they'll be high. And until we shake our heads and splash cold water in our faces and realize we will not be. We will not be ready. And I'm. I think it's just a matter of time before there are murders in Canada.

[Barbara Kay]

I agree with you. And no, we're not doing anything on the demographic scene. And as far as I'm concerned, I think even if immigration stopped totally tomorrow, it's kind of too late demographically. We have invited in people from cultures where Jew hatred is pandemic, and I don't see that antisemitism is going to abate. I think it's going to get worse. And we don't have a whole lot of leadership on that issue that seems to. They don't seem to understand that we're on the cusp of something.

[Ezra Levant]

And what I would say to my gentile friends and what I do say is, of course Jews are the first to go. They're the canary in the coal mine, but they're never the last. I mean, Christians are next. I mean, it's pretty simple. I mean, if you want to understand why Iran is so intractable, you is they, like Isis, believe in a global government that's a theocracy. They don't believe in secular states, democratically elected. That's why they call America the Great Satan. That's why they hate it so much, because it's the bulwark against the rise of Islam and they have a millenarian aspect to it, too. So I would say to my Christian friends, don't think that you're immune to anti Semitism. Of course you are, from the in the immediate proximate sense. But juice today, Christians tomorrow. I'm afraid that's how it is. Barbara, great to catch up with you. We'll keep reading your stories in the Post.

[Barbara Kay]

Thanks, Ezra.

[Ezra Levant]

All right, There she is, Barbara Kay, columnist for the National Post. That's our show for the day until Monday, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.