EZRA LEVANT | Montreal police threaten Rebel News reporter with arrest — for the crime of doing journalism

Summary

Episode Overview

Theme:
This episode of the Ezra Levant Show (Rebel News Podcast) centers on a heated confrontation between police and journalists—specifically, Rebel News reporter Alexa Lavoie—in Montreal during pro-Palestinian rallies marking the anniversary of the October 7th, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel. The discussion highlights perceived police double standards in dealing with protesters and independent journalists, explores wider implications for free expression and public safety in Canada, and features an interview about a proposed bill to change parole review procedures for convicted murderers.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. Montreal Streets: Who Rules? (00:00–07:10)

• Ezra Levant opens by setting the scene: escalating violence and unrest in Canadian cities, particularly referencing protests by pro-Palestinian groups and “antifa”.
• Rebel News reporter Alexa Lavoie was sent to Montreal with significant personal security ("five bodyguards") due to threats to her safety during coverage.
• Ezra draws comparisons between police handling of the 2022 Ottawa Truckers’ Convoy (described as peaceful) and current pro-Hamas rallies, arguing a double standard in police responses:
  • “Police rule the streets in Canada if you are right wing… But not if you’re a left wing thug. Then you get the longest [leash]. If you are a trucker, you get the longest trial in Canadian history. …If only the truckers were smart enough to have worn keffiyehs and waved Palestine flags, then they’d have been set free. …Very nice of the police to be concierge just like that.” (Ezra, 02:54)

2. Confrontation with Police & Threats to Journalists (07:11–16:00)

• Alexa Lavoie reports being threatened with arrest simply for “doing my job here on the ground and reporting on the events.” (Alexa, 07:15)
• Montreal police stated her team would be charged with obstruction for not leaving the protest scene, despite being there in a journalistic capacity:
  • Police officer: “We’re asking you to leave. If not, we will arrest you guys... you’ve been officially warned for obstructing our work.” (Police to Alexa, 05:06)
• Ezra references the Supreme Court’s unanimous decision in Fleming v. Ontario as support for the rights of peaceful presence at public protests, criticizing the police for succumbing to “mob rule.”
• Alexa: “We are being threatened of arrest. Not just me. Other independent journalists have been threatened of arrest for just doing their job.” (07:35)
• Notably, Alexa is trailed by masked individuals for nearly an hour after the protest; the police eventually intervene and make arrests for the first time in such a case (15:11):
  • “For 40 minutes three masked individuals were following us and ... I had no choice but to call the police and when the police arrived, thank God they arrested them.” (Alexa, 15:11)
  • Ezra: “That’s a miracle. I think that’s the first time police have ever arrested anyone for committing a crime against… anyone in Rebel News.” (18:27)

3. The Gendered Risks and Media Cowardice (16:00–24:34)

• Ezra notes that three female journalists (Alexa, Terry Newman of National Post, Natasha Graham) displayed more courage covering the protests than their male colleagues.
• The hostile environment is described: “Neither Islamists nor Antifa have any compunction about hitting women. ...In radical Islam, a defiant, uncovered woman is punished physically. And Antifa loves hitting women because... Antifa are typically cowards.” (Ezra, 18:45)
• Terry Newman from National Post and Natasha Graham sought protection by joining Alexa’s security entourage after negative previous encounters with protesters and police.
• Critique of mainstream media: “It’s sort of gross that Terry Newman, our young woman, had more courage than her Montreal Gazette counterpart.” (Ezra, 24:34)

4. Unchecked Extremism: Antifa, Armed Forces, and Government Inaction (24:34–30:00)

• Ezra accuses authorities of ignoring coordinated violent acts by “antifa” and even claims military personnel are implicated:
  • Case of military contractor caught on surveillance throwing smoke bombs into a church, followed up by Alexa Lavoie's attempted street confrontation, which allegedly led to her being attacked by another “antifa” member summoned via phone:
    • “Did you saw that? I just got attacked by what it seems like… Antifa that are protecting Gabrielle [Lepage], who is working for the National Defense.” (Alexa, 27:19)
• Broader warning about extremism in Canada, comparing figures of “jihadis” in the UK and raising alarms about capacity (and willingness) of Canadian police to keep order when facing such groups:
  • “Police don’t act on their own. They’re directed by political mayors and political police chiefs. So they certainly don’t have the courage.” (Ezra, 30:45)

5. Broader Lessons and Political Reflections (30:00–32:24)

• Ezra cites “lessons not learned” from international terrorist incidents (“Charlie Kirk” reference) and implies that Canadian authorities and political leaders are ignoring serious threats by accommodating violent protest groups.
• Closing thought: “Don’t countenance violence. Don’t accept violence. Don’t accept the exhortation of violence. Take people seriously when they threaten to kill you. I think Canada is ignoring all of those lessons and I think it goes right to the very top.” (Ezra, 31:18)

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Featured Interview: Bill C-243 (32:25–39:36)

With Conservative MP Kerry Diotte

• Bill C-243 would amend the Corrections and Conditional Release Act so convicted murderers rejected for parole must wait five years before re-applying, rather than potentially traumatizing victims’ families year after year.
• Kerry Diotte: “Can you imagine, first of all, if you had the misfortune to have a loved one murdered and then... you have to go and face them year after year after year as they try to make a case to say, ‘Oh, I’m all good now, let me out.’... If this bill is passed... convicted murderers cannot keep coming before a board year after year after year, but they would only get a shot once every five years.” (Kerry Diotte, 32:40)
• The bill is described as non-partisan, with a chance for the government to adopt it and “side with the victims for a change.” (Kerry, 37:50)
• Diotte notes inspiration from a high-profile 2012 murder case.
• No feedback yet from Liberal MPs, but hopeful: “That’s partially a good sign. I think we’ll be doing our best to lobby them and say, look, this is good for everybody.” (Kerry, 37:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Police Threat to Alexa:
  “We’re asking you to leave. If not, we will arrest you guys... you’ve been officially warned for obstructing our work.” (05:06)
• Alexa on Journalistic Integrity:
  “All this is allowed for an independent journalist to report on this story. We are being threatened of arrest. Not just me. Other independent journalists have been threatened of arrest for just doing their job.” (07:35)
• Ezra on Double Standards:
  “If only the truckers were smart enough to have worn keffiyehs and waved Palestine flags, then they’d have been set free.” (02:54)
• Female Journalists as Targets:
  “Neither Islamists nor Antifa have any compunction about hitting women... Antifa loves hitting women because they know that women are weaker than men.” (18:45)
• On Extremists and the Military:
  “There appears to be an antifa cell, a terrorist group within the Canadian Armed Forces. It’s just incredible.” (28:07)
• Kerry Diotte on Bill C-243:
  “I just hope that they will, the other parties will find it in their hearts to side with the victims for a change.” (37:50)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction/Scene Setting: 00:00–02:54
• Police Threaten to Arrest Alexa/Reporters: 05:06–07:11
• Alexa’s Report of Threats and Surveillance: 07:11–16:00
• Journalists’ Safety & Gendered Risks: 16:00–24:34
• Alleged Antifa/Military Contractor Story: 24:34–30:00
• Ezra’s Analysis/Conclusions: 30:00–32:24
• Bill C-243 Interview: 32:25–39:36

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Summary Takeaways

• The episode is a warning about the breakdown of equal law enforcement in Canada, alleging that police, media, and government are failing in their duties—especially when dealing with violent, far-left, or Islamist protests.
• Emphasizes the danger journalists (especially female, independent ones) face from both protesters and unsupportive police.
• Points to court rulings supporting the right of peaceful presence at protests, criticizing police for bowing to “mob rule.”
• Features legislative advocacy for crime victims through parole reform, highlighting concerns about political partisanship versus justice.
• Overall, the episode is urgent, confrontational, and critical, charging both authorities and establishment media with cowardice or complicity.

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This summary captures all major arguments, stories, and moments in the October 8, 2025, episode of the Rebel News Podcast with Ezra Levant.

Transcript

[A]

Hello, my friends. I want to show you a report from the streets of Montreal by Alexa Lavoie. We sent her out there with five bodyguards and still in some ways it wasn't even enough. The violence on our streets, whether it's from the pro Hamas thugs or antifa, is just incredible in this country. We'll have video of that, which is why I'd like to invite you to get what we call Rebel News. Plus, it's the video version of this podcast. And yeah, you'll be able to understand what's going on by listening, but you've got to see the madness of on Montreal street. So go to rebelnewsplus.com, click subscribe. It's eight bucks a month, which might not sound like a lot to you, but boy, that sure adds up for us tonight. Who rules the streets in Canada? It's October 8th and this is the Ezra Levant show on you, you censorious bug. I was in Ottawa yesterday where it is very clear the police rule the streets. And people with a thin skin who are easily stressed out, they rule the streets too. A Karen, to use the new word, a Karen judge for a Karen city. What I mean is the truckers were the most peaceful, friendly, clean up after yourself protest in Canadian history. They had hot tubs and bouncy castles. They shoveled the snow. They didn't break into any building. They weren't insurrectionists. They were friendly. They did honk, I'll grant you that. But then a judge ordered them to stop honking and they stopped honking. And yet yesterday, the judge, in her issuing of a sentence to Tamara Leach and Chris Barber, talked about how the entire city was stressed out and the entire city was punished. That's not true. A few blocks downtown where some bureaucrats lived, it's just such a wimpy, whiny city who felt that they didn't have to have this unwashed rabble from, especially from the west, coming to protest. Well, you're a capital city and part of that is you have to listen to peaceful protests. But even as I'm saying it's a thin skinned city and police rule the streets. Even as I say these words, both you and I know that's actually not true because pro Hamas rallies march through that city and police are nowhere to be found when much worse things are done. I heard yesterday the judge said people didn't like the smell of diesel fumes, as if the entire city was under a cloud of diesel. Well, you know what police, you know what people don't like either those smoke bombs that Hamas protesters seem to use with complete impunity on the streets. Yeah. Police rule the streets in Canada if are right wing. If you are indigenous, Canadian, as in your old stock, born here. Yeah, then police rule the city. But not if you're a left wing thug. Then you get the longest. If you are a trucker, you get the longest trial in Canadian history. You get atrocious sentences. If only the truckers were smart enough to have worn keffiyehs and waved Palestine flags, then they'd have been set free. In fact, they would have been given free coffee and donuts as the Hamas supporters in Toronto. God, very nice of the police to be concierge just like that. But look at Montreal last night. And I mentioned last night because it was the anniversary of the October 7th terrorist massacre in southern Israel that killed more than 1200 Jews and others. Non Jews were killed too, by the way. Over 200 hostages taken. Non Jews too, by the way. Including Canadian citizens, by the way. But look at this mayhem last night, especially in Montreal. Here's just one example.

[B]

Free. Free Palestine. Free Palestine.

[A]

See what I mean about those smoke bombs? But yeah, sure, the odd whiff of diesel in Ottawa was enough to prosecute people for three years. Why would they be marching on October 7th? That was the day of terrorism. Well, because that's what they're celebrating. They're not celebrating the Palestinian state. They don't really care about the Palestinian state. If you listen to the words spoken by the terrorists who recorded themselves on October 7, they were not saying, finally, we have a country of Palestine. They were saying, we're killing the Jews. We're really doing it. We invaded Israel and we're butchering the Jews. One of them called his parents and said, mom, Dad, I killed a Jew. They were celebrating that evil, the horrific evil in southern Israel two years ago was what was celebrated last night across Canada. So compare the policing in Montreal. Anything goes on the streets. Oh, except a Jewish flag being held peacefully by some students. Take a look at this video.

[C]

We don't want to have to deal with two groups on opposite side. We're asking you to leave. If not, we will arrest you guys. I'm just telling you that we've been officially warned for obstructing to our work.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

We have a job to do. Right now we're trying to maintain peace in the area. And right now you're causing a conflict by your presence. And they're not leaving because of your presence. That we even put the horses there to stop. I'M not, I'm not. I'm not arguing and I'm not discussing and I'm not negotiating. I'm asking you formally to leave. Okay, okay. No, you got movement.

[B]

What about when they put up, what about when they put up fireworks? Was that, was that legal?

[A]

But we should have dealt with them then.

[B]

We should have dealt with them there. No, no. Are they being pushed too? Can I ask, are they being pushed too? Why are we being pushed away?

[A]

It's an order. It's an order. Yeah. How long can police maintain the confidence of the people if they clearly have a partisan approach? Remember Robert Peel's rule of policing? The police must be completely nonpartisan. They must not pretend to be judges and certainly not politicians. How long will the people support the police if they clearly have a double standard? Well, we sent Alexa Lavoie to report on the goings on in Montreal. And because the police have not protected her in the past, we actually wound up sending her with five bodyguards, had two cameramen and five bodyguards. So it was a bit of an entourage, the eight of them. And that's good because it would deter someone from taking a swipe at her. Deter antifa perhaps, deter thugs on the streets, perhaps. But the police didn't like this at all. The police liked to be able to threaten Alexa, arrest Alexa, harass Alexa, or let her suffer at the hands of antifa. When they saw she had five bodyguards with her, they told the police, told them to get out. Alexa would be charged with obstruction. What? Here, take a look at that.

[B]

I'm here on the ground and I need to tell you what happened. Not only the SPBM came to me to tell me I'm going to be arrested if I'm actually doing my job here on the ground and report on the events. Semifab 5 private security. They said that it was for the Protestant safety of what My question just now, I just heard the crowd chanting for jihad here in Canada. And this is allowed, all this is allowed for an independent journalist to report on this story. We are being threatened of arrest. Not just me. Other independent journalists have been threatened of arrest for just doing their job. And to report to Canadian what is happening here in Montreal tonight on October 7th, two years after the horrible attacks of Hamas in Israel claimed hundreds of lives.

[A]

Of course, being reporters at a public protest is not obstruction. That's just a made up thing by police who really like to take the easy way out. And who amongst us doesn't take the path of least resistance. I mean, if you're a cop, do you really want to get out the nightsticks and the pepper spray and take on a mob of thousands of Hamas supporters, some of whom must have knives on them at the very least? Or do you want to take out the five foot nothing hundred pound reporter from Rebel News? What's the worst she's going to do? It's illegal, by the way, to arrest someone, anyone, including a reporter who's done nothing wrong, because someone else might breach the peace. I know that because the Supreme Court of Canada heard that very case. You might have heard me talk about this a few months ago. In fact, last year, when I was arrested outside my own neighborhood for standing near a Hamas reenactment, the police said to me, your mere presence here on this public sidewalk is enough to incite them to breach the peace. I said, well, then go and handle them. And the police said, no, we're going to arrest you. Well, the Supreme Court of Canada, in a case called Ontario vs Fleming, or actually Fleming vs Ontario, ruled unanimously. All nine judges said, no, you cannot do that. If someone is otherwise obeying the law and doing nothing wrong, you cannot arrest them because someone else is agitated. That's really mob rule, which is what the police gave into last night. Look, I can understand it. I mean, you take on Rebel News, you take on Alexa, what's the worst thing that's going to happen? You get a lawsuit. You take on the Hamas mob in Montreal, bad things can happen to you. Now, I don't know if you know this, I don't think I've said it publicly, but I have actually filed a lawsuit now against the Toronto police for their false arrest of me, their assault, their handcuffs for taking me away. All of that was illegal under that Supreme Court case. And we're waiting for the police to file their statement of defense. I'll be sure to circulate that when they do so, police take the path of least resistance. And they know that old stock Canadians are easy to push around, don't they? Police take the path of least resistance, but so does everyone else in life. So do every politician who you know. They can do the math. They can count it up. And there's far more anti Semitic pro Hamas activists in Montreal now than there are, let's say, Jews or people who are worried about Islamism. And even if the pro Hamas activists right now are still foreign citizens, people are pretty sure they're going be made into Canadians and then they'll be able to vote. And I'm not even sure if they're not voting now already. So Politicians take the easy way out and so did I think 99% of journalists. I'll talk more about that in a moment but here's Alexa's full video. This is about seven minutes extracting from her night last night, including some antifa folks who followed her and her entourage for about 45 minutes. I think they wanted to follow her home and see where she lives. Here's a seven minute video. Take a look.

[D]

So we are currently marching and we are going to plaza in Montreal because tonight there is a second protest. But this time this protest is organized by the group called Montreal for Palestine. Openly pro amas openly like an Islamic group. They are behind also like the controversial Islamic public prayers. They are not now taking the place. These are in Montreal and we will be documenting all night what will happen. So if you want to follow my X, it's the void Alexa, don't miss it. And I will be also producing a full report with my team. We brought also one of our team from Toronto and we will be with a lot of security officers who will be with us to make sure that we are safe and follow us. And if you want to contribute for our safety in the future, you can do [e-mail] but now let's check what will happen tonight. So follow my ex and stay tuned for updates.

[B]

So I'm here on the ground and I need to tell you what happened. Not only the SPBM came to me to tell me I'm going to be arrested if I'm actually doing my job here on the ground and report on the event. Semifab5 Private Security they said that it was for the protester safety of what my question just now I just heard the crowd chanting for jihad here in Canada. And this is allowed, all this is allowed for an independent journalist to report on this story. We are being threatened of arrest. Not just me, other independent journalists have been threatened of arrest for just doing their job. And to report to Tunisian what is happening here in Montreal tonight on October 7th, two years after the horrible attacks of Hamas in Israel claimed hundreds of lives. So we are here, I'm standing my ground and if you want to support us, please go over standwithalexa.com please chip in right now and we will show you what is happening here.

[D]

So hey guys, we just left the protest and for 40 minutes three masked individual were following us and at one point I had no choice to call the police and when the police arrived, thank God they arrested them. So I'm letting you on the full footage.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

It'S. If at some point when you're working on your applications, you want another set.

[A]

Of eyes, well, that's a miracle. I think that's the first time police have ever arrested anyone for committing a crime against, well, frankly, anyone in Rebel News. So a little bit of a miracle. Alexa, because she had five bodyguards with her, was the safest place, ironically on the street last night. And, and that's not just my opinion. Two other journalists who encountered Alexa basically said, can we stay with you for protection. Terry Newman, an editor at the National Post, and Natasha Graham, both of whom were just there on their own, which is quite dangerous. What's interesting to me is that Terry Newman, Natasha Graham and Alexa Lavoie are three women and yet they had the courage to go out on the streets. Not so much the man. I find it odd. The problem about being a woman going out on the streets is that neither Islamists nor Antifa have any compunction about hitting women. I mean, you and I were brought up, never hit a woman, frankly. Take a battering, don't hit back. But in radical Islam, a defiant uncovered woman is punished physically. And Antifa loves hitting women because they know it that women are weaker than men. And Antifa are typically cowards. Remember Natasha Graham? Here's how police roughed her up on a previous occasion. Yeah, that's super gross. She is being, if you can believe it, prosecuted by police and we're crowdfunding that defense for her. Anyways, Terry Newman of the National Post who was there with her cell phone, she had a pretty tough time until she got close to our bodyguards. Here, take a look.

[B]

Ram, Sam. Don't touch me. La.

[A]

Zionists are not welcome.

[B]

Don't touch me.

[A]

These are people like you've been protesting for two years.

[B]

Two years.

[A]

Let's remind them.

[B]

Natasha, get out of here. Natasha, get out of here.

[A]

So Terry Newman from the National Post was there and you may know National Post is owned by a company called Post Media and they also own a number of daily newspapers, Calgary Herald, Edmondson Journal, but also the Montreal Gazette, which is the largest English speaking newspaper in Montreal, has been forever. And so Terry Newman from Postmedia, the National Post wing, had a less brave colleague from the Montreal Gazette and here's what he wrote when he saw his colleague. He said some protesters tried to block the view of a handful on the wings of the protest, including Rebel. A line of police separate them. And that's from Harry North. Yeah. Rebel News was not there as protesters. Neither was Natasha Graham and neither was your own colleague. It's sort of gross that Terry Newman, our young woman, had more courage than her Montreal Gazette counterpart. But look, we know all of this. We know that the streets are controlled by violence. Just two weeks ago, Al Aqsa discovered the Canadian Armed Forces contractor who threw the two smoke bombs into a church along with a pack of Antifa activists outside. So there was this Christian pastor who was performing a sort of a singing prayer service in a church in Montreal, and some thug reached into his pocket, took out two smoke bombs and threw him at the stage and then calmly walked out. Well, we saw surveillance footage of the man and we managed to identify him in a number of ways as Gabrielle lepage, who happens to work at the Department of Defense. Like I say, as a military contractor in it. And so Alexa pursued him and accosted him on the street. Police, police know his name, won't take any steps. The Canadian Armed Forces know his name, won't take any steps, because I think that they know that he is working in an antifa cell within the Canadian Armed Forces. Now, we put this question to him and he won't deny it. He won't answer it. Neither the police nor the military will answer it. But it seems pretty evident from the surveillance footage it's him. When Alexa finally confronted the man, he got on his phone. And soon an antifa thug came on a bicycle to attack Alexa. Take a look at this.

[B]

Flying. Wow. Did you saw that? I just got attacked by what it seems like. Hence, if attack that are protecting Gabrielle Leage, who is working for the National.

[A]

Defense, what are the odds that someone could just get on his phone and in a matter of minutes summon a violent thug dressed from head to toe in black to attack Alexa. You have to be pretty plugged in. You gotta be a boss of Antifa to get that kind of reaction. And he still works in the Canadian Armed Forces. How do you feel about that? How do you think the United States feels about that? With their five eyes espionage alliance with Canada, which is like the top. The top secret secrets that we don't even share with France or Italy or Germany, just Canada, us, uk, Australia, New Zealand. And in the United States, they've declared Antifa a terrorist organization. But there appears to be an antifa cell, a terrorist group within the Canadian Armed Forces. It's just incredible. So how's this all going to end? Well, sometimes I look to the United Kingdom for a hint of how things will end. As you know, I call it the dystopian time machine. And I know that for years there have been and acknowledged 43,000 jihadis in the United Kingdom, not 4,343 thousand. That is such a staggering number. I checked and there's just about 73,000 regular full time personnel in the British army combined. So there is a terrorist army, a lurking sleeping army in the UK that is more than half the size of the British Army. And of course, when you commit asymmetrical warfare, terrorist warfare, you don't need battalions. Frankly, 43 jihadis would be scary enough here in Canada. I think our police still have the greater numbers, although I'm not quite sure if that's true anymore in Montreal. What would have happened if police tried to enforce the law last night in Montreal? Basic laws like you can't block the road or more serious laws like you can't have smoke bombs or commit mischief for vandalism or utter threats or things like that. Do you think the police would have had the muscle to take on that crowd? Well, I think it would be a close run thing. I'm not quite sure. I think our police still have the advantage, but of course, police don't act on their own. They're directed by political mayors and political police chiefs. So they certainly don't have the courage. Now Trump is taking back the cities where he can. He took back Washington D.C. he's trying to take back Portland, Oregon and Chicago. Of course the Democrats are fighting him there. Montreal, though, has completely surrendered their city to the Islamists and to the antifa. And as we saw last night, the Islamist antifa, the two men who stalked Alexa, I don't think they were actually Palestinian themselves. I think they were white antifa, allies of Hamas. I think Toronto's going that way too. Hey, what were the lessons that we learned or were supposed to have learned from Charlie Kirk a month ago? Don't countenance violence. Don't accept violence. Don't accept the exhortation of violence. Take people seriously when they threaten to kill you. I think Canada is ignoring all of those lessons and I think it goes right to the very top. Stay with us for more. Well, the Liberal government under Mark Carney does not technically have a majority, but being so close, they'll get the NDP or the block Kibiqua to give them the support they need. But there are tools available to opposition MPs, obviously, question period being one of them. But an important one is private member's bills. It's just what it sounds like. Any MP in Parliament has the right to put forward a proposed law. Now, not all of them get to the voting stage, and it is actually rare that they get passed. But occasionally a private member's bill captures the spirit of the moment and the government decides to adopt the bill, either by absorbing it into other legislation or just saying, hey, that's a good idea. We're going to vote for the private members bill or we'll turn it into a government bill. I'd like to bring your attention to a private member's bill introduced by a Conservative MP from Alberta. It's called Bill C243, An act to amend the Corrections and Conditional Release Act. It's about parole review and it's a very simple bill. And because it's simple, I think it's got a chance that the government will say, well, this is not a partisan thing. I think we ought to adopt it. Joining us now to talk about it is the sponsor of this bill, Kerry Diote, the member of parliament from Edmonton, Griesbach, who joins us now from Parliament. Kerry, thanks very much for coming on the show.

[E]

Thanks for having me. Ezra. It's, you know, I think it's a very common sense bill. Basically, in a nutshell, what it does is, is this. Can you imagine, first of all, if you, you had the misfortune to have a loved one murdered and then when somebody has finished their sentence, the mandatory part of their sentence, you have to go and face them year after year after year as they try to make a case to say, oh, I'm all good now, you know, let me out. So this is, this is the situation which will happen with the, with this bill if it is passed. It would mean essentially that convicted murderers cannot keep coming before a board year after year after year, but they would only get a shot once every five years. And it basically, it recognizes the severe trauma that people must go through. Can you imagine, for instance, if you had a son or daughter murdered and you had to sit across from that monster every year and say, no, you should not be getting out. And so, as you mentioned, it is a private members bill, but I think it does have a chance of passing because, hey, everybody has hearts go out to people who've suffered a loss through a crime like murder. And I really do think that we can twist some arms and tug at hearts and get this passed. One of the things that I wanted to give a shout out to my fellow conservative MP Michael Cooper, because essentially what happened is he tried to get this bill passed through the Senate a couple of years back, unfortunately didn't make it through. And it was, it was basically he was doing it for a couple in and sort of he wanted to give a shout out to a couple that. You remember way back in 2012 there was a high profile crime where a couple of. There was a security guard that went rogue on the University of Alberta campus and he killed three of his fellow security guards, a guy named Baumgartner, and he was found guilty of that crime. Well, Michael Cooper sort of dedicated his attempt to pass his bill to the parents of Mike and Diane Ilisek, the parents of one of the victims of that crime. So I'm going to do the same because I think that they had high hopes that it might get through the Senate, but it didn't make it so second time lucky with this. And I think it's dedicated to all the people who, who have suffered at the hands of lost loved ones to cold hearted murderers.

[A]

Yeah, I've read the bill. It's fairly simple. So there's not a lot of complex reasons to be against it. You're either for it or against it. If I were to make the case to a liberal to try and convince a liberal to support it, I'd say, look, they have a first kick at the can. This only kicks in if they're rejected on the first instance by the parole board. Then they have to wait five years instead of pestering every year. So it does give the benefit of the doubt to the murderer for that first application. And after that it just says you've got to come back every five years. You can't if you're rejected once, you can't make this an annual festival, you know, laughing at the victim's family. So it is limited. It does give the murderer a good faith first chance. This is only for those who have already been found by the parole board to be too nasty, too dangerous, too, you know, abusive. So I think this is quite a limited bill. It's almost a technical amendment. Have you had any feedback from the other side of Parliament? I see this was introduced on September 22. I'm not sure how attentive government MPs are to a private member's vote from the opposition. Have you had any conversations with non Conservatives? Has anyone on the other side of the aisle expressed any interest?

[E]

Actually, they have not. So that's partially a good sign. I think we'll be doing our best to lobby them and say, look, this is good for everybody. This is. You talk, you know, the liberals always talk about it, you know, their conversation about toughening up bail. They always talk a good game. And you know, even, even on our party's push for jail, not bail for repeat violent offenders, saying, hey, just, just wait, just wait. We've got a bill and you know, we're not going to rush to support that, which they didn't, as you recall, just, just the other day, they did not, they voted down that bill that would have, would have been tougher on bail. But they, they don't deliver. So this is a chance. Hey, we've, we've done the bill for you. Here it is. And have some, have some compassion. You know, I just beg that they will have some compassion. We've got a lot of, we've got a lot of, you know, people out there who, who have suffered through, through these hearings and I just hope that they will, the other parties will find it in their hearts to side with the victims for a change.

[A]

Well, Kerry, we wish you good luck with it. And it is still early days. The bill was just introduced on September 22nd and I think there's a flicker of a chance, I mean, Mark Carney I think is going to let us down in so many ways. But he has implied from time to time that he's different from Justin Trudeau. I think this is such an easy one for him to support. It is only dealing with a very limited set of people, convicted first and second degree murderers who have already failed an application for parole. So the number of cases to which this would apply is quite low. An easy win for the Liberals, but maybe they're just too obstinate. We'll find out. Thanks for keeping in touch with us. What's your website? If people want to keep an eye on the work you're doing in Parliament, what's the best place for people to go?

[E]

Reach [e-mail] that's K-E R R Y-I O T T E.com and listen, Ezra, I really appreciate you taking an interest in this. I think many victims will thank you for your interest as well.

[A]

Well, it's our pleasure. We're interested in this story and you're the one who's put it on paper and submitted as a private member's bill. So of course, credit goes to you and the families who have the courage to stand up. I can imagine the pain they've already been through. We'll keep in touch. Kerry, thanks very much.

[E]

Thank you.

[A]

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