EZRA LEVANT | What happened inside the Conservative Party convention

Summary

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Rebel News Podcast – The Ezra Levant Show

Episode: What happened inside the Conservative Party convention

Air Date: February 2, 2026
Host: Ezra Levant
Location: Conservative Party Convention, Calgary
Guests & Contributors: Sheila Gunn Reid, Tamara Leach, Andrew Lawton, Chris Elston ("Billboard Chris"), Dallas Brody, more

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers a comprehensive report from inside the 2026 Conservative Party of Canada convention in Calgary. Hosted primarily by Ezra Levant, with fieldwork and interviews by Tamara Leach and Sheila Gunn Reid, the show provides insights into the mood of the party, key policy debates, grassroots activism, and media dynamics. The coverage includes in-depth conversations with Conservative MPs, activists, and notable figures, alongside candid commentary on Pierre Poilievre’s leadership affirmation, hot-button resolutions, and the party’s posture ahead of potential national elections.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Pierre Poilievre’s Leadership Confidence Vote

• Ezra Levant opens with the news that Pierre Poilievre received 87.4% support in a leadership review, comparing his numbers favorably against predecessors (00:15).

  • “That’s about as high as Stephen Harper got after his first election attempt when he didn’t make it.”
  • "The party seems united. And of course, there's the old saying, you can't beat someone with no one. By which I mean, if not Pierre Poilievre, then who?" (00:44)

• Levant notes negative portrayals from Liberal-aligned media and pop culture skits (e.g., CBC’s This Hour Has 22 Minutes), arguing much criticism comes from opponents rather than inside the party (01:17–02:49).

Importance of Independent Media

• Levant emphasizes that independent journalists and influencers are crucial:
  • “If they are going to have any hope of getting their message out, it's not going to be through liberal mouthpieces like the CBC or CTV. It's going to be through independent people like Rebel News and the influencers who are here.” (04:17)

Tamara Leach’s Role at the Convention

• Leach, recently hired by Rebel News and covering the convention under legal exemption due to her house arrest stemming from the Freedom Convoy protests, receives strong support and numerous selfie requests from attendees (04:27).
  • “Just watching the people here come up to her and take selfies with her and hug her is very affirming for her and we're so proud…” (04:27)

Interviews with Conservative Figures

Andrew Lawton – MP from Ontario

Discussion on party unity, Poilievre, Emergencies Act ruling, Alberta’s independence movement

• “It’s always good to be around members of our Conservative family from across the country. We had a great showing last night, really decisive results in support of Pierre Poilievre’s leadership.” (05:34)
• On the Emergencies Act ruling:
  • “If the Liberals appeal it, they have to own that decision…and they have to basically own that they do not believe they broke the law, even though two courts have ruled that they did.” (06:19)
• On holding Liberals to account:
  • “We vow to not go down that road. And I think those judges’ rulings need to be a really important warning that you can't just for political convenience target your political opponents in those sorts of ways.” (07:36)
• On Alberta grievances and the unity of Canada:
  • “I also am not going to be an Ontarian that's going to come and tell Albertans that they…don't have grievances with the status quo.” (08:53)
  • “We need to sell that [Conservative vision] to all Canadians in the next election.” (09:08)

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Billboard Chris Elston – Advocate on Gender Policy

Resolution on parental rights and gender therapy

• “A resolution to make it so that children could get therapy to feel comfortable in their skin…did not pass.” (10:28)
• “It's a crime if your little girl says she's a boy…to help her to feel comfortable as a girl.” (11:30)
• “For some reason this Conservative Party is too afraid to tell the truth about this. They don’t even want to hear about it.” (13:17)

Notable exchange:

• Gunn Reid: “We would expect that the Conservative Party would be fundamentally different than the left on this issue…But we saw that it is completely divided in the room.” (13:02)
• Chris Elston: “Let the radical left scream. Who cares?...And you can do what is right and you can stand up to protect kids. But here in Canada, not even the Conservative Party will do it.” (15:14–15:41)

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Resource Policy and Economic Concerns

Bill C-69, natural resources, property rights, investment obstacles

• “We have so much ingenuity…incredible wealth of natural resources. We just need the government to get out of the way and give this country back to those who built it.” (17:23)

• “If you start compromising private property rights, who in their right mind is going to invest a cent in Canada?” (18:53)

• On lost investment:

  • “Investment is kind of like trust. It leaves on horseback and returns on foot. So it can be a lot easier to lose it than it is to get it back.” (20:05)

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Western Independence and BC Politics – Dallas Brody

• “I’m doing this because my ancestors…built Vancouver, parts of British Columbia. They loved it and they gave us so much and they fought in wars and we owe it.” (23:08)
• On Premier David Eby’s rhetoric:
  • “It is not treasonous to say [separatists] are making some arrangements...If the people vote to leave, they have the right to make arrangements with other countries for support.” (25:58)
  • “We need a big correction…we have net outward migration out of British Columbia for the first time in our history.” (27:31)

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Reflections on the Freedom Convoy & Federal Leadership

• Leach and others criticize Liberal response to the Freedom Convoy and the use of the Emergencies Act, describing a lack of empathy and doubling down by party leadership (28:14–31:47).
  • “It is so cruel. Because it has no empathy to understand that your policies, just because they didn’t hurt you doesn’t mean they didn’t destroy someone else’s life.” (31:47)
  • “If you're a leader, you lead all of your people, even if you don't agree with them. You don't vilify and demonize a portion of society just because they don't agree with you.” (31:58)

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Operational and Policy Resolutions at the Convention

Defunding the CBC and Media Policy

• Sheila Gunn Reid reports on a policy motion to force the CBC to compete in the free market, which passed despite internal debate.
  • “There was a policy motion…to force the CBC, if the Conservatives ever form government, to exist in the free market. That just passed.” (36:56)
  • Ezra Levant: “Why are we even discussing it still? It should be unanimous. But you’re telling me it passed?” (39:44)

Free Speech, Jordan Peterson Rule, Professional Organizations

• Resolutions supporting property rights, free speech, and protecting professionals from censorship by regulatory bodies also passed (40:02).

Influence of Youth and Social Media

• The convention is described as “overwhelmingly young,” with emphasis on the party’s outreach to independent social media influencers:
  • “Bring in the influencers. That's pretty smart.” (41:11)
  • Ezra Levant notes: “The party is reaching out to the online media because social media is the only way you're going to defeat the $1.5 billion here to the CBC.” (40:26)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with timestamps)

• On unity and leadership:

  • Ezra Levant: "If not Pierre Poilievre, then who? And I think a lot of the disparagement of Pierre Poilievre is bad faith criticism by people who hate him." (00:44)

• On the Emergencies Act:

  • Andrew Lawton: “If the Liberals will accept the Federal Court of Appeal ruling on the Emergencies Act and accept that they violated the constitutional rights of Canadians or if they would appeal it. And again, it's another example of they're trying to disclaim responsibility…” (06:19)

• On party discomfort with gender policy debates:

  • Chris Elston: “Let the radical left scream. Who cares?...But here in Canada, not even the Conservative Party will do it [protect children in gender issues].” (15:14–15:41)
  • Sheila Gunn Reid: “We would expect that the Conservative Party would be fundamentally different than the left on this issue…but we saw that it is completely divided in the room.” (13:02)

• On Western alienation and the foundation of Canada:

  • Andrew Lawton: "We have to take the long term view. This country's been around for over 150 years. It's one of the longest continuous democracies in the world." (21:29)
  • Dallas Brody: “It is not treasonous to say they're making some arrangements. If the people vote to leave, they have the right to…” (25:58)

• On lack of empathy from the federal government:

  • Tamara Leach: “It is so cruel. Because it has no empathy to understand that your policies, just because they didn’t hurt you doesn’t mean they didn’t destroy someone else’s life.” (31:47)

• On CBC and media priorities:

  • Ezra Levant: “I went to the CBC homepage…couldn't find a single story about that [mass killings in Iran]…they're talking about Minnesota, they're talking about Trump.” (38:53)

• On Rebel News’ independence:

  • Ezra Levant: “We are not just going to echo. I mean, we call Doug Ford a Liberal, which is what he is. We criticize conservatives, and I think they know it. So some of them are a little scared to be interviewed by us…” (45:00)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:15 — Opening commentary from Ezra Levant: convention size, Poilievre vote, media dynamics
• 05:24 — Tamara Leach interviews Andrew Lawton on leadership vote, Emergencies Act, Alberta grievances
• 10:07 — Sheila Gunn Reid, with Billboard Chris Elston: gender identity policy debate fallout
• 16:22 — Tamara Leach interviews Aaron Gunn (with Lawton participation): policy, resources, property rights
• 22:43 — Lise Merle & Dallas Brody: BC politics, independence, generational responsibilities
• 28:09 — Tamara Leach & Michelle Rempel: Freedom Convoy, Emergencies Act court ruling, Liberal leadership critique
• 34:33 — Ezra Levant and Sheila Gunn Reid: convention overview, CBC defunding motion, youth demographics, social media
• 40:02 — Policy resolution updates: property rights, free speech, “Jordan Peterson rule”
• 46:32 — Closing reflections on Rebel’s role, party accountability, and future strategies

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Tone and Language

• The episode is highly partisan, permeated with skepticism about mainstream media and federal Liberals.
• The tone alternates between combative, celebratory, and introspective, especially regarding activism and grassroots energy.
• Use of humor (sometimes biting), direct challenge, and emotional testimony on policies (especially concerning gender, freedom, and Western alienation) is consistent.

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Summary

This episode offers a panoramic look at the Conservative Party's national convention, casting it as both a moment of internal celebration and a battleground over the party’s soul on major cultural, economic, and unity issues. It highlights the surge of youth and influencer activism, stringent grassroots energy, and lingering frustrations with both Liberal governance and perceived shortcomings among Conservative leadership. Rebel News positions itself and its personalities as vital counterpoints to establishment media, vowing to challenge both Liberals and Conservatives to uphold their declared values.

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Transcript

[Tamara Leach]

Foreign.

[Ezra Levant]

Tonight, Rebel News is at the Conservative Party convention. I'll tell you all the details. It's February 2nd and this is the answer. Levant show freedom. Shame on you, you censorious bu. Oh, hi everybody. I am at the Conservative Party conference in Calgary. Thousands of people. It's an enormous gathering and I'm coming to you on Saturday. The key vote happened yesterday, namely that Pierre Poliev received a vote of confidence by 87.4% of the party. If my memory is correct to the exactitudes, that's about as high as Stephen Harper got after his first election attempt when he didn't make it. It's not quite as high as Danielle Smith's affirmation by her provincial party. And recall, Jason Kenney, the Premier of Alberta, left the position after receiving just 51% of the vote by the UCP after his disastrous handling of of COVID Anyhow, the party seems united. And of course, there's the old saying, you can't beat someone with no one. By which I mean, if not Pierre Poliev, then who? And I think a lot of the disparagement of Pierre Poliev is bad faith criticism by people who hate him. Anyways, if you look at most of the people who've been slagging Pierre Paliev, it's Liberals. It's the cbc. They mock him. Just the other day I saw this outrageous sketch on this hour has 22 minutes. Just mocking Pierre Poliev, trying to denormalize him. Not funny at all. Just trying to make him come across as whiny and grating. Take a look.

[Andrew Lawton]

Oh, my God.

[Unidentified Participant]

This is Pierre's worst New Year's party yet.

[Ezra Levant]

You think so? Remember 2021?

[Tamara Leach]

We had to help him put his contacts in. This one's worse. Look around. We're at a loser party.

[Unidentified Participant]

Maybe we should go to the Liberal Party.

Hey, hey, hey. Isn't this party something?

[Tamara Leach]

Team?

[Unidentified Participant]

No music, fully lit, hard chairs. I love it.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Unidentified Participant]

Too bad some of the group left for the Liberal Party. Traitorous scum.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, hate traitorous scum.

[Unidentified Participant]

Plus, I heard the party sucks anyway. You know, open bar. Can you imagine enjoying a drink you didn't earn?

Yeah.

Plus New Year, New Pierre. I'm nice and I'm fun. Now, you guys want to play my favorite party game?

[Ezra Levant]

I test.

[Unidentified Participant]

Maybe in a bit. Okay. You're missing out.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, it's not even funny. It's just insults and mean girl stuff. I think they're forgetting to use the laugh track over there. At this hour's 22 minutes. Anyways, I think Pierre Poliev can win. And I know that because for about a year he was miles ahead of the Liberal Party until Mark Carney came in, nuked the carbon tax and whipped up anti Americanism against Donald Trump. I don't think that Pierre Poliev managed to parry that quickly enough. I don't think they came up with a strategy quickly enough. They didn't change quickly enough to adjust to the new lay of the land. But I think it is certainly possible to win the next time. Now, the liberal media, it's like they were shot at and missed. So they felt like it was a miracle the last election that Poliev was kept out and they want to keep it that way. That's why the importance of independent journalists is even more important. Not just Rebel News, but there's a lot of influencers who are here. The Conservative Party knows that if they are going to have any hope of getting their message out, it's not going to be through liberal mouthpieces like the CBC or ctv. It's going to be through independent people like Rebel News and the influencers who are here Anyways, here. Without further ado, let me play for you some some videos of the proceedings last few days and then let me end with a conversation with my friend Sheila Gunn Reed, who's our chief reporter who was here the whole time. I should tell you that one of the exciting things about Rebel News coverage has been that Tamara Leach, our newest hire, was here as a reporter. As you know, we hired her and we have a very careful agreement with her probation officer. She's under house arrest, which is outrageous. But there is a legal exemption for work. And Rebel News has in fact signed an employment contract with Tamara. So her coming to Calgary and her traveling around, that is all permitted under the terms of her sentence. I feel great about that. And just watching the people here come up to her and take selfies with her and hug her and catch up with her is very affirming for her and we're so proud of our affiliation with her. And it's a rebuke to all of those in the regime media who disparaged her and even, let's be fair to some conservatives who were too timid about the truckers at the time. Anyways, I just wanted to put in that plug for the great work that Tamara Leach is doing. Also, a shout out to Sid Fizard and Angelika Toy, who've been working hard out here. Without further ado, here are some highlights from the Conservative Party Convention.

[Tamara Leach]

It's Tamara Leach here with Rebel News and I am joined by Andrew Lawton, MP from Ontario and also a good friend of mine. Andrew, how are you enjoying the convention?

[Andrew Lawton]

It's good. It's always good to be around members of our Conservative family from across the country. We had a great showing last night, really decisive results in support of Pierre Poliev's leadership. And I think also pretty clear to Canadians broadly what the stakes are after 10 years of liberals. So glad to be taking what happens here and head back to Ottawa and hold the Liberal government to account next week.

[Tamara Leach]

Beyond. I love watching you in the House of Commons. I mean, you've just, you're such an inspiration, I think, for so many people that want to get involved in politics. And I just want to say, you know, I watched your Exchange with Stephen McKinnon the other day in the House and I was obviously unimpressed with his, with his answer. I mean, what did you think of that?

[Andrew Lawton]

Well, look, I mean, I didn't ask the question expecting an answer, but I had hoped that there would be one. And one of the big frustrations I've seen is that the Liberals will want to claim credit for things that Justin Trudeau did when it suits them. And then when it's something controversial, they say, oh, this is a new government, we have nothing to do with that. And the exchange you're referring to, I was asking if the Liberals will accept the federal Court of Appeal ruling on the Emergencies act and accept that they violated the constitutional rights of Canadians or if they would appeal it and he wouldn't give an answer. And again, it's another example of they're trying to disclaim responsibility for this Trudeau era decision. But now if they appeal it, they have to own that decision and they have to basically own that they do not believe they broke the law, even though two courts have ruled that they did.

[Tamara Leach]

Exactly. Four judges, actually.

[Andrew Lawton]

Yes.

[Tamara Leach]

So which is with some very direct wording, I might add. I mean, I thought the decision that the wording and the decision was pretty decisive. So going forward now, like how, how is the Conservative, how would a Conservative government hold this whole situation to account? Because it was ruled as unlawful. Now, in my opinion, history would dictate that a decision like that would force MPs involved in that decision making process and anybody else to resign.

[Andrew Lawton]

Well, certainly cabinet ministers need to bear accountability for what they've done. And you know, obviously Chris, Jenn Freeland and Justin Trudeau are now out of office. I do think that Canadians get very frustrated when you can, you know, violate the most fundamental freedoms we have as Canadians and that there doesn't seem to be outrage. We haven't seen a lot of pressure from the media. The liberals have not really come out and apologize at a bare minimum. So I think that from a conservative perspective, I would say that for starters, we vow to not do it. We vow to not go down that road. And I think those judges rulings need to be a really important warning that you can't just for political convenience target your political opponents in those sorts of ways. And you know, whether there are changes to the Emergencies act itself, I would certainly be happy to look into that process. But I think the whole point of it is that the act is supposed to constrain governments from doing what the liberal government did.

[Tamara Leach]

Absolutely. And so. So changing gears a little bit here, we're obviously in beautiful Calgary, Alberta and as you know, there's quite a little independence movement happening here. So what would you say to Albertans to encourage them to stay in confederation and remain a part of the country of Canada when you know, obviously there is a lot of issues and valid concerns? I think that Albertans have.

[Andrew Lawton]

You know, I love Canada and I love Alberta and I love the fact that Alberta and Albertans are a part of this, this beautiful country. I will say that I understand the frustrations people in the west have, but I also very mindful being an Ontario mp, I don't want to be the one coming here and telling Albertans how they have to think and how they have to feel. You know, I think that in general right now the conservatives are putting forward a vision for a Canada that would alleviate a lot of these concerns. And I think we need to sell that to all Canadians in the next election. And we're trying to make the country a better place for everyone to make sure confederation works. But I'm also not going to be an Ontarian that's going to come and tell Albertans that they don't. You don't have grievances with the status quo.

[Tamara Leach]

Right, Exactly. And what's next for you?

[Andrew Lawton]

Look, we have our premier Danielle Smith as a speaker here. We have our policy discussions on the agenda. We have lots more people from across the country that I haven't seen in a while that I'm hoping to connect with. And then on Monday we head back to Ottawa and get back to work.

[Tamara Leach]

Well, it's always great to see you. I want to congratulate you on a smashingly successful convention, the largest one I believe you guys have had so far.

[Andrew Lawton]

I believe so, yes.

[Tamara Leach]

That's what I heard. Anyway, so congratulations and it's always great to see you and thank you for making the time for me today.

[Andrew Lawton]

You too, Tamara. Thank you.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Sheila Gun Reid for Rebel News. I'm here in Calgary at the largest conservative convention ever and a common sense policy resolution just died on the floor. I'm here with Billboard Chris Elston, an advocate for the rights of children and bodily autonomy. Tell me what just happened.

[Chris Elston]

Yeah. I'm an advocate for the rights of children to grow up without having body parts removed, without being sterilized with chemical castration, drugs, cross sex hormones, and a resolution to make it so that children could get therapy to feel comfortable in their skin as God created them so that children could receive the message that they are beautiful as they are, no drugs or scalpels needed. That resolution to protect kids did not pass.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

It was close, but that's bizarre. You know it. What I saw was, you know, a policy that protected the rights of parents to seek religious or psychological therapy for kids who are struggling with gender identity. And we know that when kids struggle with gender identity, it does put them at risk of suicide. Why wouldn't you want them to be able to go to therapy?

[Chris Elston]

Right. So a few years ago, a bill passed called Bill C4, which made it a crime of conversion therapy to try to make a gay person straight. Everyone agrees with that. We shouldn't do that.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Right.

[Chris Elston]

But the real purpose of this bill was the gender identity component. And these same bills get presented all over the world by the trans activists, and they use the sexual orientation component to buy support for the real reason these bills are created, which is to stop people from helping children to future feel comfortable with their sex. So it is now a crime if your little girl says she's a boy. It's a crime to say no, sweetheart, you're a beautiful girl. We love you just as you are. It's a crime to help her to feel comfortable as a girl. Same for boys. It's totally okay to convince your little girl that she was born in the wrong body.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Right.

[Chris Elston]

And that she needs puberty blockers, cross sex hormones, and a double mastectomy at the age of 14. That's what apparently passes for compassion. So the actual conversion therapy going on is what all of our MPs unanimously voted for with Bill C4. Because most of these kids, according to all the academic studies, would grow up to be gay. They're now telling these kids that they're born in the wrong body. In Iran, gay men will be killed. But the First Ayatollah issued a fatwa which made it okay for them to be trans. So to stay alive in the country of Iran, the gay men transition, that's homophobia. We do the same thing here, and we call it love and acceptance. And the MP Tamara Cronus from Nanaimo Ladysmith got up on the mic, objected, and she said that this was very divisive. You know what's divisive? Maiming and sterilizing kids. We should stop doing that.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Yeah, we, we would expect that the Conservative Party would be fundamentally different than the left on this issue, that this should be the place of common sense and reality. But we saw that it is completely divided in the room.

[Chris Elston]

Yes, a lot of these people are confused, but it is incredible to me because I travel the world, I've been out on the streets for five and a half years, talking to tens of thousands of people. I get 90% support on the street. I was just in Davos at the World Economic Forum where you'd think I'd have a lot of opposition. There was only one person who was opposed to what I was doing. I had non stop enthusiastic support, which I get all over the world. But for some reason this Conservative Party is too afraid to tell the truth about this. They don't even want to hear about it. They just want to bury their head in the sand and pretend that they're helping kids when they're doing the exact opposite. If they want to win liberal votes, this is the number one way they could do it. By saying, stop the chemical castration of children, get men out of women's sports, and you'd have moderate leftists all day long coming over to the Conservative Party. But they're all afraid.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Yeah, they, they couldn't vote to empower parents to get their own children the help that they need to deal with this issue. Now I think that it is like an 80, 20, 90, 10 issue even in this room. But I think across all political parties that people are against sterilizing children. I think they're scared of the mainstream media.

[Chris Elston]

That's what it is. So yesterday this resolution passed. There's two stages. In the first vote, it passed with 68%, which I was shocked that it was that low. But I'm told from someone in the know that leadership of the Conservative Conservative Party encouraged their people to vote against this resolution. So this is coming from the very top. This is on Pierre Polyev.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

I can't confirm or deny that, but I do know that it was split in this room. And I also know that These people, in their hearts and minds know that sterilizing kids is wrong.

[Andrew Lawton]

Right.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

So of course they, they're too scared of the CBC in the room, like said I.

[Andrew Lawton]

Yes.

[Chris Elston]

It's absolute cowardice.

[Andrew Lawton]

Yeah.

[Chris Elston]

Let the radical left scream. Who cares?

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Right.

[Chris Elston]

You know what you can do? You can just ignore them.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Right.

[Chris Elston]

And you can do what is right and you can stand up to protect kids. But here in Canada, not even the Conservative Party will do it. And I travel all over the world. I deal with politicians all over the world. I spoke at the European Parliament twice last year. I went to Australia. I met with 20 different MPs and senators. I work with politicians in the UK. This is the, the only Conservative Party that won't speak out against this.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

It's a shame. It's a shame. And people expect more.

[Chris Elston]

Yes. And I wanted to come here. And I am here to make friends. I'm here to make allies. I'm here to turn enemies into allies. And I want to be a friend of the Conservative Party. But they have to wake up. This is the greatest child abuse scandal in modern medicine history, and they are enabling it. It's a gift to the Liberals.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Chris, thanks so much. You know, this interview is sort of on the fly. You came over. We were all sort of stunned at what we saw. But thanks for articulating the problem with just what unfolded here.

[Chris Elston]

Thank you. Yes. Stop being afraid of the media.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Yes.

[Chris Elston]

Just tell the truth. It's not hard.

[Tamara Leach]

Aaron Gunn, MP from North Island, Powell river, bc. Thanks for joining me, Aaron.

[Andrew Lawton]

Thank you for having me.

[Tamara Leach]

So day two of the convention, what are your thoughts so far?

[Andrew Lawton]

Well, I think there's a lot of energy in the room. There's a lot of unity, despite what you might hear on the mainstream media, and a lot of talk about how this country in so many ways is worse off than we were 10 years ago because of liberal and NDP policies, whether it's on the fiscal side of things, whether it's keeping our resources in the ground, handing out free drugs. And we've been myself, other MPs, and we just heard from Pierre articulating an alternative vision for Canada where we make smaller government to make room for bigger citizens.

[Tamara Leach]

Yes, exactly. And so some of the, as you were just talking about, some of the biggest concerns, I think, for Canadians right now, obviously, is the economy and the resources. So some of the solutions that you guys are going to put forth, what do you have in mind? Like Bill C69, for example, Bill C48.

[Andrew Lawton]

Those types of, that type of, that kind of Legislation. So you know, Mark Curry and the Liberals, they talked a big game about setting up this special projects office to try to steam streamline process approvals, development approvals. But it's the Liberals own policies that are stopping all of these developments from happening in the first place. And we just say, you know, it's not that this country, we have so much ingenuity of the Canadian people. We have such an incredible wealth of natural resources. We don't actually really need the government to step up in any particular way. We just need the government to get out of the way and give this country back to those who built it, the people. And there's people ready to build things in this country. But just over and over again the bureaucracy, the red tape, the political decision making slows things down. And this country was built on pioneers who built things.

[Ezra Levant]

Right.

[Andrew Lawton]

We're a couple, a mile away maybe from the Canadian Pacific Railway that goes right through the heart of downtown Calgary. The ribbon of steel that, that made Canada what it is today. So we just have to get back, I think to that mentality and empowering citizens to step up.

[Tamara Leach]

Absolutely. Now I, I'm sure a lot of Canadians like me are watching some of the things that are happening in B.C. on a provincial level as far as the land grabs that seem to be happening now and property rights. So is that something that you think that a conservative government federally can, can help curb? I think it's. That has a lot to do with the undrip policies that have been implemented. So I mean that's a big concern for a lot of Canadians. Because it's their property.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah.

[Andrew Lawton]

Look, I think there's in some cases you have to react to decisions that the court makes that you don't agree with. But I think it's important as people that hold political office to articulate clearly where we stand. And that is in this case there can be no compromising of private property rights. And that has to be a red line. And, and you know, whether, how you go about doing that is maybe depends on what the course decide to say. As far as I'm concerned, if you have to enshrine the constitution to ensure that it's protected, then that's what you have to do. But that's got to be a red line that we can't cross. Because you know, if you start compromising private property rights, who in their right mind is going to invest a cent in Canada? Whether it's a resource company or whether it's someone that just wants to buy their own home. If you can't guarantee the fee simple title beneath it.

[Tamara Leach]

Yeah, I agree. I think. I think we need to see that definitely stabilize for sure. And I mean, I'm personally worried about the economy. I mean, I think even if a conservative government is elected tomorrow, for example, I think so much damage has been done, I think, to our reputation that it would take a long time before these businesses are going to come back and invest in Canada again. What are your thoughts on that?

[Andrew Lawton]

I mean, look, it's not going to be a problem you fix overnight. I tell people that there's. There's lots of problems facing the country. Some are actually pretty easy to fix. Like the fact that we keep allowing repeat violent offenders out onto our streets. I mean, that's an easy one to fix. You stop releasing them out of the prison system. Other issues like the fact we've doubled our national debt in the last 10 years, that's a tough one to fix. The fact we're running the largest deficit history outside of COVID And then as you pointed out, the fact we've lost so much investment. You know, they say, you know, investment is kind of like trust. It leaves on horseback and returns on foot. So it can be a lot easier to lose it than it is to get it back. But the thing that we have going for us again is we have so much incredible natural wealth in this country and we have a great workforce and an educated workforce. So I think if we do get government in that is pro investment. That's. That's the playing field where people want to come here and do business. I do think you will get capital and investment back in the country.

[Tamara Leach]

Yes.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

And.

[Tamara Leach]

And I know you're at a bit of a time crunch here, so I just, I have one more question I want to ask you. So there is three provinces in confederation right now that are all seriously talking about seeking independence. And so what would you tell the people that are seeking separation?

[Chris Elston]

Like what.

[Tamara Leach]

What reasons would you give, say Albertans, to stay as a part of confederation?

[Andrew Lawton]

Look, I understand why people are frustrated in many of these provinces after 10 years of Liberal government, as Pierre was saying earlier. But look, this is for me, when it comes back to supporting this country, supporting confederation, we have to take the long term view. This country's been around for over 150 years. It's one of the longest continuous democracies in the world. And the vision that built this country, that John a. Macdonald laid down in 1867, where we built the national railway, that we fought and defended through two world wars, the foundation of that is still there. We just need a government that steps up to realize Canada's true potential once again. And so I think that the foundation is covered in so much government mismanagement, bureaucracy and red tape and infringement on the constitutional rights of Canadians. But we can fix that. And the foundation and we are fundamentally stronger together as long as we get a government in Ottawa and in my.

Case in British Columbia as well.

It's not any better in Victoria, I can tell you. And that gets this country working again for the incredible citizens that call Canada home. So I do think that we are stronger together. We just have to pull together to make confederation work better for everyone.

[Unidentified Participant]

Hey, everybody, I'm Lise Merle from Rebel News here at the biggest conservative convention to date in Calgary, Alberta. I am joined today by the inimitable fortress of a woman, Dallas Brody, leader of one bc. Dallas, thanks so much for joining us today.

[Dallas Brody]

Thank you for having me, buddy.

[Unidentified Participant]

I want to just start out by asking you why it is you do the work work that you do.

[Dallas Brody]

The work I'm doing is driven by my sense over the last few years before I got into politics that think this country's drifting away from everything that I had growing up. I was born in 62 and I'm watching things change to, and not for the better. I'm very, I'm doing this because my ancestors, I'm a fifth generation British Columbia, I consider myself indigenous. I grew up here. They built, they built Vancouver, parts of British Columbia. They loved it and they gave us so much and they fought in wars and we owe it. And I really feel that it's not about me. I need to be brave and stand up and say what needs to be said. And I also have children and I'm very concerned about the future we're leaving them with right now, Lise. It's not looking good for them.

[Unidentified Participant]

Yeah, I don't think you're alone in that. I think there are a great many Canadians that feel that we are reaching a quick critical moment where if we don't do something, all of this is lost. And then, then it's for what? Then it's for what?

[Dallas Brody]

And then it's for what? And then you're. And then you're left. And I have many friends who are around my age and they say, well, I'm leaving. I'm going to move to here. And I, and I get mad at them sometimes. I say if you, you guys, if everybody just left Britain and didn't fight, then look what would have happened. They stood. We have to Stay and fight for what's right. And I know that nobody likes, likes to be the one who's criticized at the dinner party or the person who loses friends because they're saying uncomfortable truths. But it's a time for finding our inner bravery and saying, I don't care if you're going to be mad at me. I need to say this and do this. And I know that that takes bravery, but think about the bravery it took to get out of those boats at Normandy. Like, that's bravery. This is simply overcoming some social discomfort.

[Unidentified Participant]

And once you, once you get over it because once you've been called a bad name once, that's the worst, that's the worst time.

[Tamara Leach]

Right?

[Unidentified Participant]

It gets easier from there. And then, and then you realize what kind of power that gives you. Just, just not be stopped. And speaking the truth, it is truly a sight to behold. And you. Okay, Nobody is doing a better job in Canada right now than Dallas Brody and taking up all the air in the room. Oh, Dallas, they're jealous of you. They want the attention that Dallas Brody is getting. But only Dallas Brody is telling the truth. And that's why she's getting it. Dallas, you are dealing with David Eby as a premier in British Columbia and we are so sorry. British Columbia. Like how you have managed this for this, this many years. But he recently, he recently called independence minded western Canadians treasonous.

[Dallas Brody]

Didn't he, didn't he call us like traitors, treasonous? Yes.

[Unidentified Participant]

What, what do you, what do you say to independence minded western Canadians to try and compel them to stay in Canada? Like, what would your words of advice be?

[Dallas Brody]

Well, I can't. Well, first of all, I couldn't believe it when I heard him commenting on that. I said, I, I said to myself, David, the entire province of British Columbia isn't functioning. Every single file is, is on fire. 9 11, 91 1, full SOS, fire stage, crisis everywhere. And you're sitting here throwing rocks at people in Alberta who are trying to get a better deal for their province. It's outrageous. It is not treasonous to say they're making some arrangements. If the people vote to leave, they have the right to make arrangements with other countries for support and banking and international relations. I mean, this is what's involved in being an independent country. This is what happens. And so I was shocked because to me, that arrogant of him. Keep your nose in our own province. You've got enough problems of your own, David, and deal with that. It's terrible. And this is a legitimate and lawful referendum that's taking place here. It may not succeed, but the people. There needs to be a transition plan. If it does succeed, you have to have a transition plan. I've already started dreaming of my transition plan for when I take over British Columbia and become premier of that province. And I'm going to have a transition team on every front. You're in charge of fixing forestry. You're in charge of fixing mining. You're in charge of fixing the hospitals. You come back in two weeks. And I want to plan and we start immediately.

[Unidentified Participant]

I think we need more of this kind of energy in the world. Dallas Brody, you go and fix the mess you made right today.

[Tamara Leach]

Yes.

[Unidentified Participant]

And do I love this for us? I love this for us. You deserve this after this many years of NDP rule. Like, you need a big correction.

[Dallas Brody]

Oh, we need a big correction. And hasn't changed. Just. It's been a. It's been a decline that is. Is now like falling right off a cliff. We are. We have a net outward migration out of British Columbia for the first time in our history. It's up to something like 75,000 people a year leaving now net outward. And we're not losing. We're losing good people, young ambitious people. We're not losing drug addicts. Oh, they're still coming. We're getting. We're losing good people with hopes and dreams and futures and children. And we're also losing people with lots of money because they're saying, I'm done.

[Tamara Leach]

It's great to finally meet you, Michelle.

Really nice to meet you. Tamara, thank you for everything you've done.

And thank you for everything that you've done and continue to do. I really appreciate, now that you've moved on from being a Member of Parliament, that you have a little more freedom to be a little bit more vocal. So we were just discussing. Andrew Lawton got up in the House of Commons the other day and addressed the Federal Court of Appeal ruling upholding Justice Mosley's appeal. And you saw Stephen McKinnon's reaction and what were your thoughts on that?

[Ezra Levant]

Woo.

[Tamara Leach]

Tamara. It was a lot. It was a lot of emotion. So, you know, Steve McKinnon is a liberal House leader, and I can't believe how you've been doing this all day with this behind you. You are a focus lady. There's, like, talking going on behind us. Okay, so in a nutshell, what I. What I'm so upset about and what's so shocking, and you, you live this. So I just was on the ground experiencing it. But every day When I walked through those streets and I saw the families and people who just wanted to go to work. Right. So Andrew Lawton stood up in the House of Commons to your point. He said, you know, will you accept the federal courts of appeal that you were. It was illegal, what you did. The emergency. Invoking the Emergencies act was illegal. And Steve McKinnon, the Liberal House leader, literally doubled down. Like, he literally doubled down.

[Ezra Levant]

His repeated endorsement of the occupation of this downtown, of the disturbance and unbelievable annoyance that this created for residents of.

[Andrew Lawton]

Downtown Ottawa, and of the fact that.

[Ezra Levant]

It was an unlawful demonstration.

[Tamara Leach]

Demonstration divided the country even further, dismissed the people who left their jobs, their families, to advocate to go to work. And the pushback I have for this. You already know this.

Yes.

But the anger inside of me is, why were the people there in the first place? Why did an occupation happen? Why did you let that happen? And then when they got there, when they got there, instead of coming out and negotiating and talking, he went. Went and hit. And it is such a vilification of people whose lives were ruined. And I thought a lot about it, Tamara. Like, I. I pulled over, I recorded a video. I was so angry. And I've never posted it. But you know what I think it is more than anything, it's leadership without any empathy. It's leadership that can't fathom that their lives weren't impacted.

[Andrew Lawton]

So they.

[Tamara Leach]

The problem, instead of understanding that people lost their jobs, they got sick, they died, they couldn't go visit their mothers in the hospital, they couldn't go to work, and that's.

They were planning their own suicides. That's something that we heard every single day.

It's. I think that's what's missing. And it was kind of like a light bulb moment for me when I saw this. And it was such validation. Right. The day that the Federal Court of Appeal said it was illegal, we knew it. Everybody knew it. It was an overreach. Everybody knew. And it was the day that changed my view of politics in the Liberal Party, because I really thought Justin Trudeau was going to revoke it. After they cleared the streets, I was like, oh, he'll. He'll pull it back. Because I walked to the House of Commons that day, and there was nothing in the street. And not only did he not revoke it, he doubled down and he froze people. People's bank accounts. I mean, you're like, michelle, I know, but I think it's just from an outsider's perspective, it's. It is a leadership that. It is so cruel. Because it has no empathy to understand that your policies, just because they didn't hurt you doesn't mean they didn't destroy someone else's life.

And I think one of the disappointing things like he just mentioned, it's like they're being selective on which Canadians they're going to support and look after and take care of winners and losers. That's right. And I mean that I'm, and I've always said that, especially about Justin Trudeau, because he said some pretty horrible things during that period, like about should people like me be tolerated? And, and it just, it struck me as, you know, if you're a leader, you lead all of your people, even if you don't agree, agree with them. You don't vilify and demonize a portion of society just because they don't agree with you.

You at least try to understand them.

That's right.

You at least try to meet with them to understand them. Because, hey, he said it best. We experienced it differently.

That's so true. I just used that quote today, too. It's absolutely true. Well, and I think in Justin Trudeau's case, like, I, I was obviously paying a lot of attention through throughout that whole two year period of the pandemic. And he actually wanted to invoke the Emergencies act at the beginning of the pandemic so that he could spend what he wanted without having to be accountable, you know, just to have those powers. So I personally, I was shocked that he didn't end up invoking it in the end, obviously, because I was there on the ground and I'm like, why is the problem here? But I was not surprised because of the fact that, you know, he'd been saying that for quite some time, wanted.

Him to invoke it. Tamara, who was the man behind the scenes? Exactly right. Mr. Mark Kearney.

Exactly.

And I, I guess the question I leave for people, I know a lot of viewers who watch Rebel are already, they already understand all this, but there's still people I meet every day who are so hateful to the convoy, they are so hateful to the people who went there to have their voice heard. And I have to say to them, you have to ask yourself, why? Why did they go to Ottawa? Like that is the question you need to answer. Because nobody was listening to them. No. And how else are you supposed to execute your voice? And what you guys did is really something. And I mean, I took the heat for it, too. I got called every name in the book. When I first, I have a text from one of our city councilors calling me a national embarrassment, that I'm pathetic. And she said, you know, you need to be neutral. And I'm like, neutrality when people are, can't pay their mortgage, like, what, what are we doing? And at least, okay, let's find a middle ground. Let's find some kind of. There was nothing. There was no middle ground.

[Ezra Levant]

Sheila. I've been under the weather for a couple days, so I was not able to make it here until today. But I was watching on Twitter what was going on. How's it been the last couple days here at the Conservative Party convention?

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

It's been real busy. We are treated actually like every other media outlet in the riser that we're sitting on right now. We're right beside CBC Radio Canada. There's no special treatment for media, which is all we ever ask for. We just want to be able to do our job. We've had access to MPs, activists. It's been a very, very, very busy convention, especially with Tamara Leach here at her, you know, on a journalistic mission, it's hard for her to actually work because everybody wants to stop, talk to her, thank her and take their picture with her.

[Ezra Levant]

You know, she is turning into a real journalist. But she's also an ambassador for freedom, for civil liberties, for the truckers and now even for rebel news. So I couldn't be prouder. And thanks as our senior chief reporter, thanks for keeping an eye out to help her grow into the great journalist I know she'll become.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Yeah, she was able to sit down with her own mp. She was able to sit down with Andrew Lawton and, and discuss the, you know, her time in the freedom convoy. He wrote a book about it. He's been really hard on the government in the House of Commons for their violation of civil liberties. We know that that was reaffirmed by Twitter Three Judges just a couple of weeks ago. So, you know, with that decision being levied against the Liberals, Tamara has been a very popular person here at the convention.

[Ezra Levant]

That's right, because I think there were some politicians who were maybe risk averse, but now that we know that the actual lawbreakers were the government. You know, it's funny, when I was in Davos last week, I asked both Justin Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland about that. I said, how do you feel about being rebuked again by a three judge panel of the Federal Court of Appeals? Unanimously. Yeah. And both of them were avoiding the issue. Neither of them would show any compunction. So I think Tamara Leach's star is continuing to rise. So Rebel has a great deployment here. You're here, Sid Frizard is here, Angelica Toy, Tamara Leach and I finally made an appearance. Tell me more about the conference itself. Has there been any big battles, any interesting tussles? I mean, we know that the big thing was 87.4% thumbs up for Pierre Polyv, which I sort of thought he would get right. Some of the media were implying that he was in trouble. They don't know this party, obviously. Other than that, have there been some big moments?

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

You know, there was just a few minutes ago, there was a policy motion that was passed overwhelmingly by the grassroots roots to force the cbc, if the Conservatives ever form government, to exist in the free market. And it was funny the MPs who spoke to it. So Gerard Dell spoke against the motion, which is peculiar. He said, you know, it's necessary for Francophones to have access to Canadian content that way. And, you know, the. The young man who spoke in favor of it was very Francophone. And he said, look, there are plenty of French language resources out there that are fair that we don't have to pay for unless we want to. So that just passed. And then I had. I spoke to Chris Billboard, Chris Elston, because a motion failed to pass. It was very close. And it was on affirming the rights of people, parents to seek counseling and therapy for their children, to deal with gender dysphoria that doesn't involve gender affirming care or surgeries. And that failed because they said it was too divisive. Which I, for me, that reads as too, we're too frightened to go up against the CBC on that issue.

[Ezra Levant]

Well, of course it's divisive. I mean, there couldn't be two more different outcomes. That's disappointing. You know, back to the CBC point for a second. The other day I went to the CBC's homepage when Iran was just the marchers, the demo. And there was a credible report out of Iran that suggested that the regime had murdered more than 30,000 people. People in two days. That is such a shocking number. That is. It's almost hard to process.

[Tamara Leach]

Small city.

[Ezra Levant]

And I went to the CBC homepage and I scrolled all the way down. I couldn't find a single story about that. There were five stories about Minnesota and ice. The top foreign stories was some guy climbed a tall skyscraper in Taiwan. That was the world's story. Like, why are we. Like, where's the Canadian culture at all? Gerard Deltel may have said, we need it for Frank to tell the Francophone Canadian stories. They're talking about Minnesota. They're talking about Trump. I unfortunately follow. This hour is 22 minutes. The government Comedy Channel, they spent about a quarter million dollars taking their entire team to Greenland just to smear Trump. Just have Mark Critch do his Trump impression. Like he was so cringe. And the whole time I'm thinking, how on earth is any of this in keeping with their mandate under the Canadian Broadcasting Act? So the fact that there's still a debate in this room over should we get rid of the cbc? It feels really obsolete. And why are we even discussing it still? It should be unanimous. But you're telling me it passed?

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

It did pass. It passed. We also saw policy resolutions that passed on property rights, free speech, on the Jordan Peterson rule, on professional organizations censoring their people. There was some discussion about whether that's provincial jurisdiction or not, but it should be part of the party ethos, I think, to protect the free speech of professionals.

[Ezra Levant]

You know, one thing that I've noticed, we've got these new name tags. You and I are registered. There's also influencers have their own. Like those are online personalities. The pleb is here, Mark Dixon is here. Jasmine Lane is here. I'm really excited to see the party reaching out to the online media because social media is the only way you're going to defeat the $1.5 billion here to the CBC.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Well, and we know that the federal government also pays in full influencers to advance their ideas. They did it around Covid. They do it around specific pieces of legislation all the time. Now, these guys are not government funded. They're not funded by the party, but they are advancing ideas. And by the way, this is an overwhelmingly young convention.

[Ezra Levant]

Right?

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

There's a ton of young people. Bring in the influencers. That's pretty smart.

[Ezra Levant]

You know Alan Fryer, who used to be a mainstream media reporter? I follow him on Twitter. He said, if I had the choice between a convention of young people, this is it, or the boomers who want more free stuff, he knows which side he'd be on. I thought that was a keen observation. In the past. I remember when I was a youngster, the Reform Party was always knocked at being old people. And that was a real knock that the mainstream media would say, now the Conservative Party is young. If you look at the polls, young people are far more likely to support conservative, liberal. And yet that whole line of criticism that the media party would never make it anymore because it's their friends who are old and entrenched and established. I don't know. I think it's from what I've just detected today, the conference is good, but I think people still are grieving in a way. The fact that what was going to be a majority government, we all watched for a year, year was snatched away and now might be another three years.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Or it could be very soon. Yeah, you know, I was talking to some conservatives in the know. I won't say who, but there is a real concern that Carney could drop the written march to have an election in April because the Americans are headed to midterms and so Trump will no longer be outwardly focused on foreign policy and he'll be inwardly campaigning. And so Mark Carney really only has a small window to be the anti Trump elbows up guy to round up all those scared boomer votes.

[Ezra Levant]

Well, if that comes, we will register again as a third party election group.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

I can't wait.

[Ezra Levant]

The reason we do that is because if we didn't, we would be harassed by elections. Canada, you remember that in 2019 I wrote a book criticizing Trudeau called the Libranos and we had lawn signs promoting the book. They had three words on them by the book, which was specifically permitted under the law. But elections candidates chased me for about six years. They didn't chase the People's Republic of China for busing in teenage foreign nationals in the GTA ridings. They were busy going after my book. So I thought for sure they're going to go after us again, especially our big beautiful billboard truck. So if there is another election, Sheila, we're going to register as a campaign group. And you know what, I'm totally fine with it because they're requiring us to do that, to speak candidly and clearly, and we will. And in fact, I'm sort of excited about getting back into a fight. In the last election, Rebel News targeted two different districts. One was my own riding where Ya' Ara Sachs, the self hating Jew who, who held hands with Mahmoud Abbas, we had a bit of a campaign there and also Maajid Johari, who was a pro regime Iranian MP in Richmond Hill, both of them lost. And I think Rebel News deserves a little bit of paternity for that. So I'm ready to fight again. And if the Liberals want to have another run in it, let's give them a run for it.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Well, and to be clear, we're never campaigning for the Conservatives, just campaigning against the Liberals.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah, you know, I. Rebel News is independent in a number of ways. We don't take any government money and there's very few media companies who can say that. And also we hold the conservative parties of this country to account when we think that they're slipping. We certainly did that in Alberta when Jason Kenney was the premier who was cracking down hard on churches during COVID times. And remember the sky palace lunch he had?

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

Well, we did it here today when I interviewed Billboard Chris Elston on the Gender Affirming Care resolution that didn't pass.

[Ezra Levant]

And I think that's one of the reasons that we're trusted by our viewers is that they know we're not just going to echo. I mean, we call Doug Ford a liberal, which is what he is. We criticize conservative, and I think they know it. So some of them are a little scared to be interviewed by us because it's not just going to be softballs. I think that's good positioning. We're right wing, we're conservative, we're freedom oriented, we're all those things. But we're in no one's pocket. And I like Pierre Polyam, by the way. If I were a party member, I for sure would have voted to give him another shot at things. I think he can win. I think it was a terrible setback that he didn't. I have some ideas for how he might do things differently, but we're not in his pocket. And the fact that they have not yet, yet scheduled a meeting for you to interview them tells me they're a little bit scared of you too, Sheila.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

And honestly, that's where I want to be. That's where I want to be because they know I'm going to ask the tough questions.

[Ezra Levant]

And I think our viewers want us to be there, too. And we're not taking cheap shots at the conservatives. We're not being mean or gotchas. We are asking ideological questions, philosophical questions, because there's no point in winning if we're just liberal light.

[Tamara Leach]

Right.

[Ezra Levant]

And I think Rebel News has helped move the Overton window. Certainly we did during COVID times.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

I think we did in Alberta. I think our criticism of Jason Kenney led to a Premier Daniel Smith, who is the leading conservative thought leader in this country, bold on guns, bold on medical choice, bold on free speech. So, I mean, that's a good thing.

[Ezra Levant]

Yeah. Oh, we absolutely were. And that was hard because Jason Kenney was a personal friend and certainly an ideological friend. When he was a federal cabinet minister, he was great. But he went from being the federal cabinet minister in charge of religious freedom to the provincial premier in charge of prosecuting churches. So we had to tell it like it was. And I think we earned some trust with our viewers and we'll take that approach into the next election if it's coming this spring.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

I think we take that approach every day.

[Ezra Levant]

I think we do. Sheila, it's great to see you. Thanks for holding the form while I was under the weather. Thanks, everybody for tuning in and thanks to our whole team that deployed here, including Tamara Leach, our latest addition to Rebel News. I was just delighted to see her here. Thanks, Sheila.

[Sheila Gunn Reid]

You got it.

[Ezra Levant]

All right, goodbye, everybody. Well, that's our show for the day. And by the way, we're not done tonight. We have a reception for Rebel News supporters at the James Joyce Publishing. I look forward to seeing everybody there. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel News, to you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.