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SHEILA GUNN REID | CCFR's Tracey Wilson on the baseless Liberal gun confiscation plan
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Tracey Wilson of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights breaks down the bombshell documents exposing the Liberals' baseless gun grab and what it means for lawful firearms owners across Canada.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Foreign. The government's potentially six billion dollar gun grab has absolutely no evidence that it will work. And that's just not me speculating, that's the government telling us. I'm Sheila Gunn Reed and you're watching the gun show. A new access to information investigation from our friends at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation shows, well what all of us have known all along, that the federal government's gun grab will not work. And even they know it because they have not done a single study proving as such. But that hasn't stopped the federal government from just putting the pedal to the metal when it comes to accelerating the gun grab and doing their best to bribe police agencies to participate in the collection of these firearms. As more and more provinces are saying, yeah, you know what? Crime is out of control in Mark Carney's Canada or opioids are a crisis killing our young people. Our police have better things to do. Federal government, they're willing to waste potentially, according to some studies, $6 billion on this mess. And today we've got Tracy Wilson from the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights to tell us all about it. Take a listen. Joining me now is my friend Tracy Wilson of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights. And as soon as I saw this investigation from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, my next message was to Tracy saying, tracy, you got to come on the show. We got to discuss this because of course, of course we know this. And the Canadian Taxpayers Federation filed an access to information request to find out if Public Safety Canada had any analysis or paperwork inquiry study proving that the largest gun grab in Canadian history would have any effect on public safety. And it's not like they got back, you know, just a, a smattering of things. They didn't even get back an email, as in, they didn't even bother to ask the question because A, either for the government proof is not required for a multi billion dollar program, or B, they didn't ask because they knew what the answer would be. So they just didn't bother.
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Tracy Wilson
Yeah, it's both of those things. And I got to give a shout out to our friends at the Canadian Taxpayer Federation. They do such a great job. But at the same time, this is a Captain Obvious moment where we actually didn't require that a tip because the minister himself told us in that leaked audio that I put out there for everybody to hear. When liberals think nobody's listening, they tell the truth. Right? And the minister said they know. They know it's not going to impact public safety and that it was strictly for votes in Quebec. So you know, I wasn't surprised to see this, this AATIP result come back. I'm still glad they filed it because it kind of stacks up with the evidence that the minister himself has provided. And at the same time it's sort of a smack in the face to people who have voted liberal over the last 11 years who promised you evidence based policy. It's pretty blatantly clear that, that not only is this politically driven, but they know full well there is zero evidence that this is going to have a positive impact on public safety. And the most tragic part of that is not only has it not saved lives, it's cost lives. Crime is out of control. Violent crime is happening, people are dying. And the focus instead is on chasing around people like you and I to see if they can confiscate my competition rifle. It's bananas.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
I filled in for Ezra on his show yesterday and of course I, you know, when I'm hosting for Ezra, I get to do whatever I want as far as the mono goes. So I, I made the show about this and I was poking around for some evidence to what we know anecdotally right about the rise in crime. And we all know, we all know Gary Mouser, who is such a smart guy on firearms policy. He's a professor at Simon Fraser and he had actually pulled the statistics on this. So while they're spending his estimates $6 billion by the time they're all done with this, because again, they don't know where the guns are, who has them, because many of these guns have moved from just unregistered to prohib, so they're just throwing spaghetti at the wal and seeing what sticks. But he points out that while the liberals are hell bent on spending $6 billion on a policy we now know, the liberals didn't even bother to test to see if it would work or studied to see if it would work, firearms crimes have increased 10% between 2020 to 2022. The rate of firearm related violent crime was 36.3 or 36.7 incidents per 100,000. And that was an increase by 9 from 9% in 2021. So the year over year increased nearly 10%. And that's the highest recorded rate of increase since they started collecting the data in 2009. And then they also know this is the one thing the government might actually know, but they don't want us to know. They know that lawfully held firearms aren't the problem. And this is according to stats can the firearms used in homicides are rarely legal. Firearms used by their legal owners. However, crimes committed by organized crime have increased 170% since 2016. And yet $6 billion is being shot out of a fire hose at people who aren't committing the crimes while the bad guys are running amok and getting reduced sentences.
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Tracy Wilson
Yeah, well, and this is the problem of things like Bill C75 and Bill C5 that soften the sentencing for some very serious violent crimes, including firearm related violence. And at the same time they're banning guns from law abiding citizens like you and I who've never done anything wrong. To suggest that this policy would have any positive impact, especially when you're doing all these terrible things on the softening of sentences, is ridiculous. And my friend Christine Generous, she's the self rep in the court challenge against the gun grab and she's just a total hero to the community, smart as a whip. And she said in court to the judge that the purpose of gun control should be to prevent the misuse of firearms, not the legitimate use of firearms. And I think that's really important. We're regular people, Sheila, you and I. I also want to save for community. I want a safer country. I want less bad guys to have guns. This isn't the way to do it. Every single indicator proves that. And yet they cling to this. And that's how we know that the minister told the truth. And it is purely a political policy based on getting votes out of Quebec. Which is ridiculous.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Right. And you know the media is supportive of this. They're completely unskeptical of the government's policy attacking the law abiding and letting the bad guys just skate with lenient sentences or frequently no sentences at all if it jeopardizes their immigration status and they avoid experts in the field. I remember when Caliber magazine representing stakeholders was blocked from attending a press conference on the gun grab because the press conference was held on Parliament Hill, which means the parliamentary press gallery controls access and they wouldn't give them access. So you know, even if conservatives are holding a press conference and they want the independent journalists there, the media gangs up and keeps them out. And then the media brings on people who are pro gun grab to ask them to get in the heads of people like you and I and, and they just perpetrate these myths when they're perfectly fine experts like you saying hi right here.
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Tracy Wilson
Yeah, government funded TVO actually just did that. They had a, a segment called where are all the undeclared firearms? Because of course out of the 2 million affected firearms, there's 67,000 some odd firearms declared by 30,000 people. So they're like, well wait a minute, where's all the rest of them? So who do they have on to discuss that with? Mark Campbell, a police chief association guy, and Wendy Sukier, an anti gun lobbyist. So they're trying to get into Wendy's head to find out why people aren't complying. Well, she doesn't represent those people. The funniest are, well, it's not even funny. The most tragic part of that entire interview was listening to Mark Campbell talk about his fears because they were asking him, well, what happens if people don't comply with this and the amnesty comes and goes and now they're in illegal possession and prohibited firearms, Then what happens when it comes to enforcement? And Campbell said that this is the problem. He said in Ontario alone there's 250,000 new criminal cases every year introduced into the justice system. These are legitimate criminal cases, a variety of different offenses to criminalize hundreds of thousands of Ontario gun owners and this is just one province. Right. He says will absolutely collapse the entire justice system. And because these will be firearm related cases, if a gun owner was to be charged, and I'm using air quotes, it would take precedent and priority over other, perhaps violent, but not involving criminal case or firearm cases. So he is worried at the fact that this will absolutely collapse the entire justice system. Of course, law enforcement, already stretched thin, will be, you know, stretched even thinner and we will see actual violent criminals be released because the courts will be full up of gun owners trying to defend themselves against these tyrants. So, you know, like, is this really what we. Is this how we get to be a safer country? Well, and to what end, you know, for sure.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
And you know, I have to laud you on your good work because while it seems like the politicians are unbudging these police chiefs and police organizations all across the country, you approach them.
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Tracy Wilson
Yes, I did.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
And you ask them, are you going to enforce the, the gun grab or do you have better things to do with your time and your resources? And you have prompted police agencies from all across the country to come out and say, like, look, we, we're going to do something else. We've got better things to do. And I think that's commendable because you know that the Liberals are hell bent on wasting $6 billion and no one will be the safer. And the police organizations know that. And it's quite something to see them make these public statements after you're approaching them.
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Tracy Wilson
I never thought they would actually be so public about it. I thought maybe I might get a response to an email, you know, and I think once one or two of them started, it sort of caught on. And of course now we're down to a situation where across a country with I think 180 or hundreds, literally hundreds of municipalities, and you've got what, six that have signed a deal, the overwhelming majority of this country has completely rejected the gun ban and law enforcement is included in that. So I don't think there has been any other policy in the history of this country that has seen such large opposition from high ranking law enforcement officials as this one. And I think if Carney wants to salvage any type of reputation for the liberals on public safety, the best thing he could do is cancel this. And if he refuses to do that, that's okay. We're taking it all the way to the Supreme Court. And maybe that's what he's counting on. He doesn't want to have to answer to Natalie and his cabinet about why he's canceled this gun grab. So a winning court would of course alleviate him of having to take responsibility for that, but still let him off the hook right for this. So I don't know, it's a bit of a mess, but for those law enforcement agencies that have struck a deal, so be it. I'm going to put hundreds, if not thousands of people on their front lawn. So every time somebody strikes a deal with the liberals to do this gun grab, we will oppose it with a massive rally in their front yard. And of course it makes headlines and news and the whole town city talks about it. And the good people of these jurisdictions deserve to know that their police chiefs who are making these bad decisions, and like I said, there's like six are putting their public safety at risk.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Now last time I talked to you, we were awaiting the decision for the Supreme Court to hear your case. Give us an update on that and also let people know how they can support, support these efforts. Because you guys are up against the government which has all of our money to waste fighting gun owners. And you are grassroots, funded by people and gun clubs who just believe in freedom.
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Tracy Wilson
Yeah, that's right. So the Supreme Court hears very few cases. It's not like the, you know, we've already been to the federal court and the appeals court and they're basically, you've, you know, you file your paper, you pay your lawyers and you go at the Supreme Court, they decide what they hear. And of course they hear very few, about 6% overall of all cases. In fact, I think there was like, 26 different cases, you know, unrelated to our case, on the docket for the Supreme Court, and they rejected them all except ours. And there seems to be this thing that's happening lately with the Supreme Court where they are ruling against the government in a number of different cases. So, you know, they. A lot of people worry that the, you know, the Supreme Court justices, what if they're captured or what if they're compromised in some way? And I'm like, look, they could have very easily have left the decision out of the lower courts, which are still high courts in place, and that would have been their decision. Right. They could have said, no, we simply agree with the decision out of the appeals court or the federal court. We've lost in both places, and leave it at that, and it would be a done deal. But there's something in there that they like and they want to hear it out. So we're going to go all the way. We promised gun owners we'd do everything that we could. We've spent millions of dollars this far, and we didn't only come this far to only come this far. So we're going to. We're going to fight it all the way, and we're not going to cheap out and, you know, file something, fundraise off of it and then just show up on the last day to, you know, plead an argument like, we are going to litigate this thing thoroughly, completely, and hire the very best, most competent people in the country. Like, we've assembled a huge team. It's very expensive. But this, if we're going to do this, we're going to do it right. We're going to do it all the way.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
So, yeah, there's nothing more expensive than a cheap lawyer, as Ezra always tells me. And, you know, even if the Supreme Court is ideologically captured, what else are we supposed to do here? All we can do is fight.
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Tracy Wilson
Yeah, well, and these are the tools that are available to us. Right? You're right. The government has all the power. They've got all the money. They've got everything. So for an average Joe like you or I to go to the Supreme Court to fight our government, we could never do it. I mean, you know, a $5,000 retainer would probably collapse me personally right now. So the idea of having people band together under the banner of a group like ours, where we can fight together, that makes us very strong. Because if a lot of people do a little bit, then nobody has to do a lot. So people have been Supporting us. We just finished the Raining Guns contest. It was like, so successful beyond anything I could have imagined. We gave away 100 guns, which is crazy. And, yeah, we're just going to keep fundraising, keep working. And our motto, like I have it on the wall in my office is do everything all the way, all the time. That's it. Just keep going. So that's what we're going to do.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
And you will, I know you will. Now, CCFR holds events and before I get to the upcoming one where you'll find me, I just want to tell you how much fun David Menzies had at the Toronto Sportsman Show. He was like, he was like, sheila, that was the best assignment ever. Thank you for sending me.
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Tracy Wilson
Well, he called me on my cell before he came in and he was like, sheila tells me you've got this job for me. Are you serious? I'm going to be shooting guns with pretty girls. I'm like, oh, yeah. I mean, they're likely to beat you, but you're going to have a good time just the same. And yeah, they whipped them. But, yeah, he, he enjoyed that. And then, of course, he actually, actually came to the Waterloo region rally.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Yes.
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Tracy Wilson
And he asked me the first question he asked me in the interview was, where was the Gunny girls? Funny enough, there were a couple there. So, yeah, David's always happy to see them, but, yeah, he's adorable.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Yeah. We've got to get him a calendar this year.
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Tracy Wilson
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's getting a calendar now.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
It's not too late to get tickets to the CCFR AGM in Toronto, but it is fast approaching. Tell us about it.
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Tracy Wilson
Yeah, ticket sales are over on Monday. We have the CCFRA GM coming up. Last year we were planning a big one and we ended up canceling it because it came. It was just in the wake of the election and we just felt like, you know, to be perfectly honest, nobody felt like celebrating anything and we just wanted to focus on work. But it is really important to get together with your people and connect with people. So we are hosting our AGM on May 23rd in Mississauga, which is Toronto. It's about a two minute drive from the airport at the Sandman Signature Hotel. All the details can be found@ccfragm ca, but we've got a full schedule. We'll have our business meeting in the morning. That's the financials, the legal update department updates, all the boring stuff. And then after lunch, we're going to do an Ask Me Anything with Rod and I. People love that they like to ask us all kinds of questions. We've got a fireside chat with Randy Arsenault. You're going to really like him. He's at TikTok Cop.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Yeah.
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Tracy Wilson
Awesome guy. He's terrific. We've got the Saskatchewan firearm commissioner guys coming. So that's Bob Freeberg who just retired and Blaine Bevins who took his place. Really brilliant guys. And Saskatchewan's kind of kicking butt leading the fight on protecting gun owners. So we're going to hear all about their crafty little plans that they've made. And then we've got. Northern perspective is coming too. Ryan and Tanya, you know those guys, they're going to come. And Ryan gave a really good message of hope at the waterloo region rally and I think that's kind of important. Gun owners have been beat up the last 10 years for sure. And of course he'll lead us into grace. And then the big show is you, Sheila. You're a keynote speaker after dinner. So we're really looking forward to that. We've also got from. From your province, Alberta CFO Terry Bryant's coming.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Nice.
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Tracy Wilson
It's like an all star cast, so lots to see. The tickets are not expensive. The dinner is going to be incredible. We've got. The laser range is going to be set up there so we can have a duel. It's a lot of fun. We'll be selling CCFR swag. Dirty leather is going to be there. Making custom CCFR belts on the spot.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Love it.
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Tracy Wilson
Get yourself a big old Alberta belt buckle on there. Yes. And yeah, we're just gonna have fun. We're gonna have door prizes. I've got some cool things to give away and keepsakes and all kinds of stuff going on. So. Yeah. Ccfragm cat. Yes.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
And many members of the rebel team will be there for the dinner as well. So. Yeah, you need another reason to buy a ticket.
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Tracy Wilson
We are.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
We are. We are. When they heard I was speaking, they're like, why didn't you tell us? We're. We're all going to be there. Well, listen to me talk every day. I didn't think you'd want to come. But anyway, yeah, I, I'm looking so forward to it. It's going to be such a blast.
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Tracy Wilson
Yeah, it is going to be fine. And I, you know, some people are asking me, why are you bringing the laser range? Because we've been having that at the gun shows. That's what Menzies shot. And I'm like, why not? You know, I think it's fun. I mean, if you're not really feeling like, you know, having a sociable cocktail or whatever, you can go have a duel with somebody. Why not? Yeah. A lot of fun.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Yeah, for sure. Now, Tracy, tell people how they can get involved in the CCFR in your efforts to fight back against the government. There are multiple different ways because you do such strong advocacy work for us. And please don't forget to mention the store, because you guys have a great store as well.
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Tracy Wilson
Yeah, the Swag Shop is awesome. And we've got some new stuff coming out in there as well for our friends in Quebec. So that's a little hint that'll be released at the AGM as well. But we got all kinds of good stuff. Go to ccfr, CA and go to the Merch Shop. But while you're there, check out a membership. There is strength in numbers. And when I can walk into the halls of parliament and tell them I represent X number of people, of course, the larger that X is, the better. Right? So we are Canada's largest stakeholder on this file, but we need more. We always need more help. And of course, you can donate on there, but download the CCFR app. It's free to download. It can host your membership on there. Gives you direct access to everything. And of course, if the government ever cuts off our means of communication or our social media, it's a direct link between you and I. So very important.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
You know, that's a very smart thing to do, is to be able to connect directly with your people without going through a platform that would be manipulated or blackmailed by the government. Facebook meta. I'm talking about you.
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Tracy Wilson
Yes, exactly. So that's why we have that. And it's totally free to download. And if you're a member, it hosts your membership card.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Oh, nice.
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Tracy Wilson
And there's all. There's all kinds of discounts from retailers there. So I bought. I bought my membership for 40 bucks. Then I bought a gun at one of the retailers. I got 40 bucks off my gun, so my membership was free. And now if I use those discounts, I'm actually making money.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
So, yeah, nice. Making money and fighting for freedom. My two favorite things to do.
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Tracy Wilson
Yeah.
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Sheila Gunn Reed
Tracy, thanks so much for coming on the show. We'll have you back on very soon, but I will see you on the 23rd.
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Tracy Wilson
I'll see you there. Thanks a lot, Sheila.
- [24:58]
Sheila Gunn Reed
Thanks. Well, as always, the last portion of the show goes to you, our viewers at home, because without you, there is no Rebel News. As you know, we'll never take a penny from the government to do the work that we do to hold the government to account. You would view everything we do as a politically contaminated story at least, or perhaps a grant application at best. So we rely on you at home. If you want to talk to me directly about my interview today with my friend Tracy Wilson from the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights, my email is sheilaebelnews.com put gun show letters in the subject line. It'll land directly in my email inbox. But I also go looking for what you say about all of the things that we do here at Rebel News, not just my own work. And I frequently check the YouTube comments and the Rumble comments for, for what you have to say. And if you are watching us on YouTube or Rumble, I know you're watching a premium show right now, but if you're watching some of our other content, please leave a comment. Give it a thumbs up because the more you engage with our content, the more the platforms show it in front of other people. So I know you've already paid eight bucks a month to be here, but that's a great free way to help Rebel News spread the good word of freedom, small government, personal responsibility. So today's viewer comments actually don't come from my work, but they come from Ezra's report from the site of a synagogue in the Toronto area that was shot at by a replica firearm. And again, liberals are apparently doing nothing about this sort of stuff. You know, it seems like every single day there's another story of an act of anti Semitism happening in Toronto girls schools being shot at multiple times with real guns, menorahs being vandalized, fights breaking out on the lawns of synagogues, Islamists marching through the streets. And again, apparently we are the biggest public safety risk, US law abiding firearms owners who subject ourselves to daily background checks at the hands of the state. So let's get into the comments. Jeff Allen, 3140 writes, I lived there many years ago. It was one of the most peaceful areas in the city back then. Sad to see what has happened there now. Yeah, that's what unfettered mass migration coupled with progressive city council and overly permissive of this nonsense provincial government and and then federal government, immigration policies. We'll get you. It's all just converging on Toronto. David Kettlewell, 7937 says as to Mark Carney, as far as I know Canadian values do not include honor killing, suicide bombings and ramming cars into crowds. Yes, a car was actually rammed into a pro Iranian Freedom event just over the weekend, but this stuff is so frequent it's almost out of the news cycle now. Isn't that wild? Dig in deep. Amazing how much can change in 10 years. I don't recognize my home anymore. Try to get a coffee. Try to get your oil changed. You'll see how much this country has changed. Ren Hamilton G1C says who gave him the right to bring in a new world order that the globalists have invented? Well, I guess the voters in Eastern and central Canada did, I guess. Can you sense my frustration as an Albertan? You know, last one, Michelle Peltier M7N says unarmed citizens are the most vulnerable population of corrupt politicians and Carney is as dirty as Trudeau. Canadians have my heart. My grandparents migrated to the US and I don't want euthanized elderly, mentally ill and poor people to happen with radical Islamists taking over. It's true. Well everybody, that's the show for today. Thank you so much for tuning in. What a dark note to end on. Sorry. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week. Don't forget your to get your tickets to the CCFR AGM where you'll see me as the keynote speaker. I hope to see you there. And as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think. It.