SHEILA GUNN REID | Tamara Lich on Trudeau’s Emergencies Act defeat and the rise of Western separatism

Summary

Episode Overview

Title: Tamara Lich on Trudeau’s Emergencies Act Defeat and the Rise of Western Separatism
Host: Sheila Gunn Reid (Rebel News)
Guest: Tamara Lich (Freedom Convoy leader and new Rebel News co-host)
Date: January 29, 2026

Main Theme:
The episode examines the fallout from a court ruling upholding that Trudeau’s invocation of the Emergencies Act was illegal, the lack of political accountability following this, the continued legal consequences faced by Convoy participants, and the growing fervor for Western (Alberta) separatism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fallout from the Emergencies Act Court Decision

• Court Ruling Upheld: A three-judge panel reaffirmed a previous decision that the Trudeau government acted unlawfully when it invoked the Emergencies Act to end the Freedom Convoy protest. (00:16)

• Lack of Accountability: Despite the ruling, members of the federal government have either stayed in office or moved on to other prestigious positions, facing no consequences.

  "All the people involved in it are either still in cabinet or have gone on to other things."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid (01:34)

• Contrast in Accountability: Tamara Lich highlights the irony that Convoy organizers face stricter penalties for mischief charges than politicians for major breaches of citizens’ rights.

  "We're being punished more harshly for mischief than the government of Canada for breaching the charter rights of Canadians."
  — Tamara Lich (03:34)

• International Comparisons: Lich points out leaders in other democracies (e.g., South Korea) have faced jail time for similar abuses of power, unlike Canadian officials.

  "In a normal functioning democracy, these people would be held to account."
  — Tamara Lich (04:39)

• Government Silence: No official statements have been made by the PMO or justice minister since the ruling, which Lich finds especially telling.

  "It's been well over a week since the ruling... and there has not even been a statement issued from the PMO or the justice minister."
  — Tamara Lich (06:12)

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2. Law Enforcement Tactics During Convoy Crackdown

• Excessive Force and 'Starlight Tours': Lich and Reid discuss violent police measures, including dropping protesters outside of town in the cold—a practice known as "Starlight Tours," long since condemned and explicitly warned against in police training.

  "They round you up when it's real cold and...take you outside of town and then drop you off...It resulted in deaths."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid (07:20)

• Zero Consequences for Officers: Despite public testimony from victims at the Public Order Emergency Commission, no police officers have faced professional discipline.

  "The victims...are on the record and yet none of the officers involved have ever faced any professional consequences."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid (08:44)

• Financial Threats: Ottawa's acting police chief publicly threatened to "financially cripple" supporters, further showing the aggressive posture of authorities.

  "If you're supporting this in any way, we're going to hunt you down and financially cripple you for the rest of your life."
  — Tamara Lich, paraphrasing Steve Bell (09:04)

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3. Selective Justice & The Coots 4 Case

• Tony Olenek's Bail: Recent release of Convoy figure Tony Olenek after over four years in custody pending appeal is covered, raising questions about fairness and proportionality.

  "It's like they were sentenced for that [conspiracy to murder] anyways...they have gone after with a vengeance and a viciousness that I've never seen before."
  — Tamara Lich (10:53, 12:27)

• Contrast to Other Crimes: Lich compares the lengths of sentences and pretrial detention for Convoy-related offenses to those for serious violent criminals, highlighting perceived judicial double standards.

  "Violent criminals...are getting let off so much easier. It's pretty clear that anything related to the Freedom Convoy they have gone after with a vengeance."
  — Tamara Lich (12:20)

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4. The Surge of Western Separatism

• Growth of the Independence Movement: The hosts note a rapidly increasing number of town halls and petition signings throughout Alberta pushing for a referendum on independence.

  "Every single night there's an independence town hall...in a dozen places in the province."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid (25:45)

• Misrepresentation by Federalist Elite: Lich predicts that establishment figures are applying the same marginalizing tactics to the Alberta independence movement as they did to the Convoy—mockery, name-calling, and accusations of extremism.

  "They're going to do exactly...what we saw happen to us during the Freedom Convoy...nobody's asking why."
  — Tamara Lich (15:56)

• Inter-Generational Activism: Contrary to stereotypes, the movement is diverse in age and background:

  "It's moms, it's dads, it's overwhelmingly young...the grandparents are there, but they're thinking of their grandchildren."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid (15:19)

• Perspective Shift: Lich, once a strong federalist and Maverick Party supporter, explains that her Convoy experience rekindled her support for Western independence, describing a sense of exhaustion with federal attempts at reform.

  "The saying used to be: the west wants in. Now...we just want out."
  — Tamara Lich (16:41)

• Skepticism of National Political Change: Both hosts highlight the structural obstacles to electing a truly Western-friendly government in Ottawa.

  "If Alberta leaves, I don't think there will ever be a Conservative government in power."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid (09:26)

• Separation as Practical, Not Radical: The prospect of independence is framed less as a dramatic upheaval than a practical paperwork transition:

  "It's not like we have to move...the rest is just paperwork, really."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid (21:44)

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5. Media Critique

• Hostility from Mainstream Press: Both Lich and Reid reflect on derogatory treatment from mainstream reporters, with Lich dubbing them the "mean girl media" due to their perceived unprofessional behavior.

  "I don't call them even the mainstream anymore. I call them the mean girl media now."
  — Tamara Lich (23:46)

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6. Community Engagement and Audience Feedback

• Active Listener Base: The show transitions to reading and discussing comments from viewers, emphasizing the breadth and youth of the separatist movement (‘zoomers’ to ‘boomers’), and highlighting a strong sense of Alberta regional pride.

  "[At the petition signing,] boomers, Gen X, millennials, and zoomers were there. Signing a free and independent Alberta is the only way forward."
  — Listener comment read by Sheila Gunn Reid (26:30)

• Cultural Divide: Discussion touches on the cultural and economic differences between eastern and western Canada, and how this underpins separatist sentiment.

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7. Plug for New Podcast

• 'House Arrest' Podcast: Lich and fellow Convoy leader Chris Barber have launched a new podcast, House Arrest, airing Thursdays at 6pm MT, focused on telling underreported stories and supporting others facing legal or political oppression.

  "We started [it]...as a form of therapy...we like to have fun, but if it can benefit somebody else, then that's a huge bonus."
  — Tamara Lich (22:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We're being punished more harshly for mischief than the government of Canada for breaching the charter rights of Canadians."
  — Tamara Lich (03:34)

• "They round you up...take you outside of town and then drop you off...It resulted in deaths."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid on 'Starlight Tours' (07:20)

• "It's all the same playbook as what we saw happen to us during the Freedom Convoy."
  — Tamara Lich, on establishment tactics vs. separatists (16:05)

• "If anyone could do it [separate and thrive], it'll be us [Albertans]."
  — Tamara Lich (22:07)

• "I don't call them even the mainstream anymore. I call them the mean girl media now."
  — Tamara Lich (23:46)

• "If Alberta leaves, there will never be a Conservative government again."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid (17:27)

• "I'm a regional supremacist...That's how you make the place where you're at the best. Be a regional supremacist."
  — Sheila Gunn Reid (27:49)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:16 – Introduction; subject overview and guest.
• 02:50 – Court decision recap; Lich discusses emotional response.
• 03:49 – Lack of accountability for federal officials.
• 06:12 – Continued government silence on the ruling.
• 07:20 – Discussion of police violence and 'Starlight Tours.'
• 09:04 – Police threats to Convoy supporters.
• 09:55 – Transition to Tony Olenek (Coots 4) case.
• 12:20 – Comparison of sentences for Convoy vs. violent crime.
• 13:55 – Shifting to discussion on Western separatism.
• 15:56 – Lich on establishment demonization of the independence movement.
• 21:44 – Framing separation as administrative, not logistical.
• 22:23 – Lich introduces her new podcast, ‘House Arrest.’
• 23:46 – Critique of "mean girl media," recounting personal experience.
• 25:45 – Audience feedback highlights nature of separatist rallies.
• 27:49 – Statements of proud regionalism.
• 30:45 – Satirical observation on 'New World Order' conspiracy warnings.
• End – Sign-off and encouragement for further audience engagement.

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Conclusion

This episode provides an inside look at how Convoy activists and Western separatists see themselves and their opponents post-Emergencies Act defeat. The guests portray a strong sense of betrayal by Canadian institutions, highlight double standards in justice and public accountability, and describe the independence movement as broad-based and hopeful, but unfairly maligned. Through candid discussion and listener feedback, the episode offers a window into a political and cultural push for transformation in Western Canada.

Transcript

[A]

It's been a bad 10 days or so for Mark Carney and Tamara Leach joins the show to break it down. I'm Sheila Gunn Reed and you're watching the gun show. Well, you know who the guest is. I just told you, it's our friend Tamara Leach, convoy leader, my new co worker. And she's going to discuss the very bad 10 days or so for Mark Carney's government from failed federalism, the rise of Western separatism in town halls and parking lots, even all across this beautiful province as Albertans are sending a message that they want a new deal and that new deal does not involve Ottawa. Then the challenge, the appeal of a previous judge's ruling that found the invocation of the Emergencies act was unlawful and unjust was upheld by a three judge panel. And so we're breaking it down. I want Tamara's reaction to all that and a few other things. I'll button it up. Here's an interview we recorded yesterday morning. Joining me now is my good friend and my new co worker, freedom convoy activists. I don't know what I'm supposed to call you. I don't want to get you in trouble. Tamara Leach. And we want to talk about the government's reaction, or lack thereof, to the Emergencies act ruling. Then a convoy protester is out on bail after four years behind bars. And then we'll talk about the rise of Alberta separatism. Tamara is fresh back at her home because she's under house arrest from her community service, which she is almost done. And Tamara, I was able to hear the Emergencies act ruling where a panel of three judges reaffirmed a prior court's finding that the government acted illegally in invoking the Emergencies act to end the peaceful freedom convoy protest. And I got to see your reaction where you were moved to tears. I was apprehensive. You know, I'm always ready to be disappointed by a federal court, but they actually did the right thing for once. But in spite of that, all the people involved in it are either still in cabinet or have gone on to other things like Christopher Freeland do. Are we ever going to see anybody ever held to account for this?

[B]

You know, I, I sure hope so, but I, I don't know, I. We haven't seen accountability. I mean, how many scandals are we at now with this government? It's been non stop for over 10 years and there's never been any accountability. I, I find it a little bit ironic, you know, like the court, a court has obviously found Chris and myself guilty of mischief and Then Chris has the other charge. And so as what normally happens is we're being held accountable, so we are absolutely serving our sentences as we're supposed to be. And so it's frustrating, you know, I, I basically feel like we're being punished heart more harsh for a mischief than the government of Canada for breaching the charter rights of Canadians.

[A]

Yeah, it's a strange thing because they did the wrong thing, but all the consequences are yours. Like they get to walk away, they get to remain in cabinet, they get to go on to international gigs and you're stuck under house arrest doing a community service, which I think you would probably do anyway because you're that kind of person. But nothing bad will ever happen to them. And in a real country they would face serious consequences. Their ethics breaches alone in a country like the United States would have them landed behind bars like Freeland. Taking a job with a regime that takes money from the Canadian government is influence pedaling. And you would end up in jail for that in another country. But in Canada they just give her a pension and send her on her merry way.

[B]

Well, wasn't it South Korea that ended up invoking a form of martial law in their country too? And I believe that their president or prime minister, pardon my ignorance, I'm not sure what they have, but he's in jail for, for doing exactly the same thing. And you're absolutely right. I mean these mps that were all involved in this decision making of the indication and the execution of it are failing upwards. They're leaving for greener pastures. I think Yara Sachs, if I'm not mistaken. I saw a rebel news report that she's been offered a position elsewhere too. So they're just really throwing all the rules right out the window. And you're absolutely right. I mean, in a normal functioning democracy, these people would be held to account. And at the very least the MPs that are still in cabinet or in the government, period would resign. I mean, Bev Oda resigned over a $16 glass of orange juice.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I was talking to Keith Wilson about that the other day. The thing with the Bev will Bev Oda 16 orange juice was that it wasn't that it was too much for the Liberals. The Liberals were going to make a stink out of it anyway and be completely insincere about it because we see how they spend other people's money. Bevoda faced pressure from Conservatives who didn't like Conservatives wasting people's money that way. That's, I think, the difference between US and liberals is they really just care about power at all costs. And sure, conservatives would like to win, but not if it means selling our souls or compromising ourselves along the way.

[B]

Exactly. No, I would agree with that 100%. I'm hoping, I'm hopeful that somebody will, somebody will eventually be held accountable. But I mean, what are we on day 11 now? It's been well over a week since the ruling was, was upheld and there has not even been a statement issued from the PMO or the justice minister who also was involved in the decision making process, might I add. And so that's very telling. And I think we're dealing with a government as we know, and I think that's part of the reason why they appealed this in the first place, was just to buy them some time, hope everybody moves on, focuses on hating Donald Trump and just forgets about it. But it's shocking to me and very concerning, like I said, that not even a statement has been issued. And I was going through some of the video footage that I have on my phone, obviously sent to me by other people during the takedown because I was in jail. And it's pretty unsettling to watch the violence against Canadian citizens by law enforcement, obviously. And we know now that it was, it was excessive use of force.

[A]

Well, the thing that really got to me was what do they call them, the Starlight Tours, the taking, the pro, because they're specifically trained against that because people died when they did that in Saskatchewan. So the law enforcement is trained not to do that. And yet they did it to Freedom Convoy protesters. And for people who don't know, that's when they round you up when it's real cold and it's dark and they take you outside of town and then drop you off somewhere where you have to find your own way back. And it resulted in deaths, I think two in Saskatchewan. And so I believe, yeah, they have specific training against this, but they did it to the Freedom Convoy protesters. And we all remember how bitterly evil cold it was. They were taken in, in unheated vehicles and then just left outside of town. Find your own way back, but just.

[B]

Don'T go back to. Basically they were said, if you go that way, you're going to be rearrested, so you need to go that way. And they left them there. You're absolutely right. And lots of them, of course, being out in the cold all day or some of them were held in transports all day. As you mentioned, their phones were dead.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So, you know, if it wasn't for the fact that other people with, you know, a bar of service left, God could get a hold of bikers church. I mean, that's how they got picked up was the bikers church went and collected them all as they were being dropped off in the middle of a snowstorm.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And nobody's ever been held accountable for that. And we heard the victims of this testify at the Public Order Emergency Commission. So this stuff is all on the record. The victims of it are on the record and yet none of the officers involved have ever faced any professional consequences for any of it.

[B]

Right. Well, don't forget the acting chief, Steve Bell at the time also. Well, he was in charge of the whole thing, obviously. But he also went on and did a press conference and said basically, if you're supporting this in any way, we're going to hunt you down and financially cripple you for the rest of your life. Basically. Yeah.

[A]

They threatened to take people's kids away from them.

[B]

Yep. Yeah.

[A]

As though your politics made you a bad parent. Moving on from that, I think we'll never see any. Anything change on this until there's a different government in power. And with the voting habits of Eastern boomers, I cannot reasonably be that in the near future. And if Alberta leaves, I don't think it'll ever happen again. I don't think there will ever be a conservative government in power. But I wanted to talk to talk. And we'll talk about that in a second. But I wanted to talk to you about the recent news that Anthony Olenek, Tony Olenek, he's One of the Coots 4, Initial Coots 4 who was convicted on mischief, but also some firearms related charges in a Lethbridge courthouse in 2024. He's served four and a half years behind bars already. He's been recently released on bail pending an appeal. I just wanted to get your reaction to this because I had been in that courthouse covering that case and I always got the feeling like he, he was sentenced for the crimes they wanted to convict him on instead of the crimes he was actually charged with. And I just. Based on the sentencing guidelines and, and historical sentences that had been given, I thought that they sentenced him for what they wish they could have got him on.

[B]

Yes, I agree they did. They dropped the conspiracy to murder the police officer charges. You're absolutely right. But when it did come time to sentence them, it's like they were sentenced for that anyways. It is absolutely appalling that Tony has spent this long in jail, especially in a remand I was just talking about this at my community service.

[A]

He's been in the remand the whole time.

[B]

Well, he, he was transferred to Drum Heller. Okay, but when you're at the beginning of this, I mean they were transferred from remand to remand to remand. And let me tell you, as somebody who's spent time in a remand center, and I told my lawyer this too, like if I'm getting sentenced, I want it. It's got to be two years plus a day. Because I would much rather a penitentiary would be Disneyland compared to the reman Centers. And so even, you know, I believe it was the decision came, was supposed to come on the day that he, that the federal court ruling came out actually. And it's really concerning that they waited this long even to release him. And I don't think he's been released yet. I think they're just planning to release him. But it could be, I could be mistaken on that. But I mean four years is incomprehensible. Especially when you see a lot of the crimes that are happening across this country right now. And violent criminals, violent sexual offenders, repeat offenders, violent offenders that aren't even Canadian citizens are getting let off so much easier. It's pretty clear that anything related to the Freedom Convoy they have gone after with a vengeance and a viciousness that I've never seen before.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I mean they were sentenced sort of in line with the two young men who had provided the firearm to the man who did the shooting of the Mayor Thorpe Mounties. That was sort of what they were where. That's the time that those guys got. And that's how I sort of came to the conclusion, oh, they, they sentenced him for being involved in the execution of police officers. Because that's in their mind what they wish they were able to charge him with. But he was actually convicted of just firearms related offenses and mischief just like you. Yep.

[B]

Yeah, I know it's. I mean this man has lost four years of his life. All of the Coots boys, you know, I think the Jerry and, and Chris, like Lysack were in jail for, I think it was at least almost two years. Chris Carbert hasn't really been out that long. I mean these guys have lost years of their lives, years with their children and their families. And you know, I, I couldn't even compare my situation to theirs, honestly. I mean, it's just they were held in there for so long without even a bail hearing.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I mean, I feel for him, I Yeah, I feel for him. Yeah, the whole world has changed really since he's been in there. Right?

[A]

For sure, for sure. He's coming out to a much worse Canada, by the way. And it felt bad even back then. Just moving ahead, I want to talk to you about Western separation, Western independence as they like to call it, whatever that might look like. You and I are a little bit deeply online, probably more so than other people. It's just the nature of the work that we do. But it's real interesting to see somebody who continues to miscalculate the anger of Albertans. I think that was his fatal flaw. Jason Kenny, Former premier Jason Kenny coming out to malign Western independence minded people as racist crackpots. I think he called them kooks or loons the other day. These people used to be the people who reliably voted for him, who door knocked for him, fundraised for him. He's sure as hell happy to take their money and votes. When he was, I was one of them. Yeah, so, so were so many people. And now he's totally turned on them because they think that there's a different way forward. It's real interesting to see everybody talk about the independence movement, but they never actually talk to the independence movement. And it's normal people, it's moms, it's dads, it's overwhelmingly young, by the way. Like yes, the grandparents are there, but they're saying to me, I'll never see the benefit of us leaving confederation, but I'm willing to put the work in and take the risk for my grandchildren, which is so much different than them Eastern boomers, I'll tell you that. But everybody's talking about them. Nobody ever talks to them. And if you talk to them, they will tell you exactly why they want to go. I just wanted to get your take on this sort of organized derision of an entire diverse group of people from the established Federalist elite.

[B]

Well, I think what we're seeing, it's going to be the exact same playbook that they used against the Freedom Convoy. And I, I was again talking about this story with the lady this morning too. I get a lot of Freedom Convoy vibes, I guess, around the Alberta Independence movement because it is, it is hopeful and you know, we do have everyday citizens that can go about and make some change. But coming with that is also going to come exactly the same way that we were treated. You know, first they laughed at us and they mocked us, which is exactly what happened. Then they started with the name calling, racist, traitor, misogynist you know, they're gonna, that's. And we're seeing that happen right now. And then I've actually already seen some posts insinuating that we're all far right. So you know where this is going. They're going to do exactly. It's going to be exactly the same playbook as what we saw happen to us during the Freedom Convoy. And it's just gonna, I mean, exactly. Nobody's asking why. You know, they just want to call names and make a bunch of accusations and, you know, treat us like we're stupid hillbillies. You know, the saying used to be, the west wants in. And I think we're just at a point now, at least for a lot of people that I talk to, that we just want out. We just, like, we don't care anymore. There's nothing that we can do. We've tried everything. Right. The Reform Party, we've tried everything. And I, like you said at the beginning of this, I don't see a day in this country ever again where we will see a Conservative government because it's all stacked against us.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, if we leave, there's never a Conservative government again. And so who will be the biggest antagonists against the west leaving? It will be the Conservative Party in their own self interest. And that's why they've trotted out their buddy Jason Kenny to act as a proxy, I'm sure. And don't get me wrong, you know, the. I think the Conservative government, if they're, I'm sorry, the Conservative Party, I, I really do think they're fighting for the west for sure they are. I mean, they're fighting for Western interests. They care about firearms rights, they care about property rights. They care about free speech and religious freedom and, and oil and gas. Yes, yes, yes, that is all true. But they won't form government, so.

[B]

Right.

[A]

How effective will they ever be, you know?

[B]

Yes, that's exactly right. So, I mean, I just obviously I've sort of gone, you know, 360 on this whole thing because I obviously grew up very proud of my country. Yeah. I was taught that diversity was our strength and we celebrated our multiculturalism at one point. And I was very proud of everything that had to do with Canada. And obviously by the time the convoy started, I was already on board with the, with the Wexit Movement and the Maverick Party. So I was already a proponent for independence before the convoy. And it was the convoy that actually changed my mind. And I did end up resigning. I resigned my position with the Maverick Party. And because I did believe that from what I was seeing, the unity, the support, just average Canadians coming together in like, in ways that I always believe they would. But it's become very apparent, you know, over the last four years that I just think we're better off on our own. I don't see, I don't see anything changing and I think even politically what we've seen happen in the last three weeks in Canada is very alarming to me. Yeah, Signing up with China, signing up with Qatar, I mean what's next, North Korea? Right. And I strongly suspect that what we're seeing now here with Mark Carney, all of a sudden, I think he's going to call a spring election and I think he's really ramping up the TDS in order to, to make that happen.

[A]

That's all he's got, right? That's all he's got. He can't run on his own record. What is he built? What has he done? So he can only run against Donald Trump. But you know, I think there are a lot of people like you who say we tried it their way, tried it their way a couple of times when, only when we really only needed to try it once. But we had a, an Alberta based Prime Minister and it's. Nothing got better. You know, we, we tried taking our concerns to them and people got arrested. We tried raising our voices and they accused us of being Russian funded and foreign funded and racist and Nazis and radicals and they're doing it all again. It's all like as you said, it's all the same playbook. So I understand a lot of people who are saying, yeah, we tried, we, there's got to be another reason, as Mark Carney says, than nostalgia. And I haven't heard that reason quite yet.

[B]

Exactly. Well, and so many people will say that we should stay because it's just always been this way, you know, and that's one thing, it's always been this way. We've always done things this way. And the only thing I could think of when people tell me that is there was a time where they used to bloodlet people because they thought that that was going to help them. However, you know, experience and science, yes, the leeches and proved, you know, they had make these changes and is it going to be easy? No, it's not. It's not going to be easy. And some of us are probably going to have to sacrifice some things and mistakes are going to be made but it's okay to make mistakes. And I think a lot of people just need to understand, you know, it is scary. Change is always scary.

[A]

Yeah. I think there's going to be more responsibility where responsibility already lies. There's going to be more consequences where consequences already lie. For Albertans, there's going to be more work where work already lies. But what I know about Albertans as a lifelong, one of them is that we're not scared of those things. And I think, if I had to be honest with you, the rest is just paperwork. Really.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's not like we have to move. We don't have to pick up and move. We don't have to get like a. A band sawn, like cut the rest of the country off from us. I think it's mostly just paperwork and us just taking on responsibility where we already have a ton of responsibility. Like, why wouldn't we pick up the places where the feds are failing and making life worse? We're not scared of hard work.

[B]

Exactly. No, that's exactly right. If anyone could do it, it'll be us.

[A]

Yes. Yes. Tamara, tell people how they can watch your show with our friend Chris Barber.

[B]

Mr. Chris Barber. Yes. Chris and I have started a podcast called House Arrest, House Arrest with Chris and Tamara. And it's every Thursday nights at 6pm Mountain time. And we started it basically. Well, obviously, as a form of therapy. Sure. To get through the next 18 months. Part of it is to mock really what's happening, because we mock mockworthy things. And I think this whole situation is. Is definitely mock worthy, but we are. We're also getting people on. Our first guest was Brian Peckford. Talk about Charter, which we thought was very fitting. We had Ray McGinnis and Gordon McGill on to talk about the Coots Boys. So amplifying other con. Not just convoy stories, but other stories in general. Like, I'd love to get Kayla and Carrie, the vax injured, two prominent voices for the backs injured on the show as well, and Dr. Rogers. So, you know, it's a great platform to get some great stories out and garner support for. For. For others, too. So. And it's really in line, I guess, with what Chris and I do. You know, we like to have fun, but if it can benefit somebody else, then that's. That's a huge bonus.

[A]

Yeah. And I think talking to people that, you know, if you got all your news from the mainstream media, you would only hear one version of. And.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And there are two sides to every story. The mainstream media version. And then there's the truth.

[B]

So Mean Girl media, I called them the mean Girl media. Ever since you guys went to that thing and. Oh, where was it? Where they were just terrible to you guys.

[A]

Oh, at the debate during the election.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Some grown man in the mainstream media. I don't want to give his name, but you know him and I know him. He bowled up a piece of paper and threw it at me.

[B]

I know that was the most embarrassing, ridiculous behavior I've ever seen. And these are supposed to be professionals. You know, it was like. It was. It was really tough to watch. But. So, yeah, I don't call them even the mainstream anymore. I call them the mean girl media now.

[A]

Yeah, it was like somebody spoke Latin to a demon in that room. Like they just all lost their faculties the second we stood up to the microphone. Tamara, thanks so much for coming on the show. I've got a busy day. I know that despite the fact that you're on house arrest, you are always very busy too, and I can't wait to see what you do next. As you know, friends, the last portion of the show is always yours. You become the guest in segment three, because without you, there's no Rebel News. We don't take any money from the government, so we don't care what they think about us. You can certainly tell the people who do take money from the government because they're not as tough on the carny liberals as the liberals deserve them to be. So I welcome your viewer feedback. I want to know what you think about the work that we do here at Rebel News. If you want to send me an email directly, It's Sheila. Rebel news.com put gun show letters in the subject line. So I know why you're emailing me. But I also read your comments on the work that we do. Not just my work, but everybody's work. That's sort of my job is to. To take the temperature of the audience and, and. And pass along your feedback to the team, not just to absorb it myself. Now, on the topic of Western separation, Western independence, I interviewed convoy lawyer, but also independence influencer, maybe is how I would describe him. Keith Wilson on Ezra's show. I was filling in for him earlier in the week because he's away. That's one of the other things that I do around here. And so I thought I would see what the viewers were saying about that interview with Keith and what Keith had to say about how Canada is just too big to make sense. Too big and too, I think, culturally different. The west is culturally different than the East. I think the west is more culturally aligned with our neighbors. To the south than we are with our neighbors to the east, most definitely. And also on the west coast. I'm not talking about the interior of British Columbia. You guys are as Albertan as it gets, or northern B.C. for that matter. So we were talking about the. The cultural divide, the economic dividend, and the town halls that are taking place all across the province seemingly every single night. Every single night, there's an independence town hall. And every single night in, I would guess a dozen places in the province, there's a petition signing. So Tecomaster1 says, wife and I signed the forms for the referendum on independence last week. Rural community, 400 people signed in the first two hours. I completely believe that boomers, Gen X, millennials and zoomers were there. Signing a free and independent Alberta is the only way forward. Let's go. It is not the crowd of angry white men that the mainstream media who don't go to these things would have you believe it. There are a ton of zoomers there. I think our zoomers in the west are better than the zoomers anywhere else. Our boomers in the west are. Are better than everywhere else in this country for sure. I just think. I just think we're better. And I know that might offend some of you in other places, but I hope you are a regional supremacist too. That's how you make the place where you're at the best. Be a regional supremacist. I'm a regional supremacist, that's for sure. Lee Eve. Mexico says it's a cabal. Absolutely right, Keith. Federalism isn't working very well for any Canadian. That is also true. Oh, KG Ngoyan, I think is how I say that. I'm sorry I butchered your name. Obviously need new signs for the cbc. Can't believe Carney. Let's go, Alberta. Very funny. Yes, yes, yes. Dolores Grinnell. Grin eye. Grinnell says Jordan Peterson had an excellent show on Carney's belief system versus Canada's values. Yeah, Carney's values, which is the name of his manifesto, his Green manifesto versus Canada's values. Heather Harris, 70, 69. I'm a boomer and in full agreement to separate. I'm not on par with them. Don't lump us all together. I would sign if I were an Albertan. Okay, I say this every time I mention the eastern boomers. There's something wrong with your demographic cohort. You do vote overwhelmingly liberal. Now, if you are not one of them that voted for Mark Carney, I'm not talking about you. And I'll. Let me preface this by saying there is something wrong with the mid 40 white woman. Okay, that's my cohort. I get it. But when people are critical of the mid-40s white woman, especially in the United States, they're all at these ICE protests. I know they're not talking about me, so I don't get uptight about it. But there is something wrong with the central and Eastern boomer voting cohort. The demographics just played out. But look, if. If you didn't vote for Carney.

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I'm.

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Not talking about you. And I'm glad. I'm glad you didn't vote for Mark Carney. I'm glad that you are a better version of your demographic. And I know there are many of you out there who would move to Alberta, who understand what we're going through out here, and I'm grateful for you. But please don't be offended if I say things about Eastern boomers, because I'm not talking about you. All right? And Chad G3985 says no new World Order. Well, you're gonna have to take that up with our prime minister. And he's our prime minister for now, but hopefully, hopefully, you won't be my problem soon enough. Yeah. Also, I noticed on this very video that I took these comments from. There is a conspiracy theory warning.

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About.

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The New World Order. On YouTube and on any video that mentions the New World Order, it says it's a conspiracy theory. I don't know. I just saw Mark Carney say to Davos in front of the entire world. So I don't know. And he also said it in that press conference where poor Scott Mo from Saskatchewan looked like he was in a proof of life hostage video. His head craned around so fast, I thought he was going to end up, as Lee said, in a neck brace. So, I mean, it's comical to see our politicians use the term world New World Order. And then if you say you don't want to be a part of it, you're the conspiracy theorist, and the New World Order doesn't exist. Excuse me. Anyway, that's the show for today. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody back here in the same time in the same place next week. And as always, don't let the government tell you that you've had too much to think. Sa.