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When I first dreamed up this show, I wanted to have conversations that demonstrated just how elastic the idea of reclaiming can be. In every episode, I've asked the same question. What is something that you're working on reclaiming right now? Across our first 48 guests, the answers have taken us everywhere. And the episode you're about to hear includes reclaimings from all of them. Sidebar One of our guests even reclaimed her misaligned zodiac sign. Here's Savannah Guthrie, Malala, and Miley Cyrus to start. And if you're not driving, consider watching this episode and the full conversations on YouTube. The last question that I like to ask everybody is, what's something that you're working on reclaiming? It could be a part of your identity thing, a place, whatever. Is there something I loved that this question was going to be asked because it really made me think. But there is something that I am not currently reclaiming, but I intend to reclaim. And you are going to laugh. Okay? But I used to love to sing, and in my 20s and 30s I sang a lot and played the guitar, and I'm not saying I was Taylor Swift or Kelly Clarkson, but I had a decent singing voice and I A lot of friends asked me to sing at their weddings, which I did. And I really loved writing music and singing and playing my guitar. And it's something that I lost along the way with working so much and then having kids and being busy and then also the fact that I am 53 and my voice is so scratchy now, I don't know what to do about it. So if I do start singing again, I'll sound like Stevie Nicks if I'm lucky, you know, and. But I think having kind of the courage to pick up my guitar and try to figure it out and sing a little bit is something I'd very much like to reclaim. I love that it would only be for me. I'm not going on a coffee house tour, but something that I could do on my couch alone. Like I did so many, many years in my 20s and 30s. That's amazing. I did not play the guitar, but I used to sing, too. So maybe we'll find one of those, like local cool choir, you know, they do the group or just come over, I'll get the guitar, we'll sit on the porch, and we'll just have our own little concert. I love it. I want to reclaim more of my own autonomy and agency in how I want to live my life, and less so the expectations, less so the noise out there and it's really hard to separate both because what we hear, what we see, it affects us a lot. And I'm as human as everybody else. I have those emotions, too. But I want to ensure that I am listening to myself and I'm being true to myself. So this is what I want to reclaim. Yeah. Your compass. Your own compass. Yes. Are you in the process of reclaiming anything right now? That is. It could be an idea, a thing, a person. It could be anything. Oh, you know me. That's like a tangent. So let me try to whittle it, girl. I am here for your tangent. I'm the queen of or give me a voice. Oh, wow. Yeah. I come in with, like, the 4 minute, 40 second. Oh, like, that's short for me. Yeah. Okay. So am I reclaiming anything at this moment? You know, this album, for me, this is not in any way a retirement or a goodbye, but it is the last lap. I call it the last laugh around the sun. In this particular way, this album is my newborn and it's keeping me up all night, and it's exhausting. And I am really grateful for this record. It's worth it for me to put this much into this creation because, by the way, I already have. I'm working on this album for two years. I've already put so much that this last little stretch, the album Beautiful, has its own legs. Now I can set it free to become someone else's baby. Yeah. You know, but in this particular way, the amount of commitment that I've put into this particular creative child, I don't know when I'll be ready to put this much pressure on myself about something in one thing in particular again. So I'm kind of reclaiming what music, that dividing what is the music versus this part. Yeah, the talking about it, the promoting it, the fueling it, you know, I just kind of want to make it and release it. Next time, here's journalist Ronan Farrow, Actors Gabrielle Union and Alice and Janney, John Oliver and Kara Swisher. For the longest time, I wanted to run in the opposite direction from my own painful family history and that kind of broken home component of my childhood. And growing up around, you know, allegations of violent crime and losing people close to me, it's the last thing you want to relive. But in the end, in the same way that I've found that my sources are better off when they confront the hard thing and speak out about it. And in the same way, I've found that my own work benefits when I'm not running from anything. When I actually choose to harness that as a strength that helps me understand complicated issues, I would encourage everyone out there who has something like that in their past to look at it and not do the thing we see in not a very good murderer of burying it and refusing to ever look at it. Yeah. Because it can be like a. Like a hidden power. Yes. If you do that tough work of going towards it instead of away. So the last question I ask my guests is if there's anything that you're currently. I mean, I feel like we've talked about it this whole time, but if there's anything that you're currently working on reclaiming and that could be, you know, an aspect of your identity or a place or anything. I think for me, I. I want to be able to confidently drive my child. And, you know, it's la, so it could be. Yeah. Anything from a police chase to just standard traffic to, you know, all sorts of people that, you see, you know, at a stoplight. Right. I want to be able to confidently drive my child alone. Yeah. Sounds basic, but no. No, that's terrifying. I don't do it. I just. I don't do it. It has to be, like, desperate situation. Yeah. Finding that sort of center and that sense of calm and peace and that. That makes sense. So the question I ask everybody at the end is if there's anything you're working on reclaiming in, like, a very elastic definition, and you could also just perform the Jackal for us. I would give you a pass on answering the question. I don't know if I could remember those words anymore. I knew them for so long, but that was so much fun. The Jackal. Yeah. Oh, my God. Reclaiming that performance. Reclaiming. Well, I think reclaiming who I am without being with anybody or associated with. With a job or a part or anything, reclaiming my center and my. My peace of mind and my. Who I am away from everything, because sometimes that gets lost in the doing of this and doing being this and having to be this person and being that person. And sometimes I feel like I very much lost touch with. With me. And without the distraction of the phone or the TV or all the things I was just thinking. Asking a British person what they're thinking of reclaiming is a very dangerous road. Okay, wait. I mean, we lost India. There's a whole bunch of places that we love. We lost two thirds of the world's landmass. I think if we're playing the long game, we're looking to reclaim that India. I think that, that you personally. India. You know what's going to happen. They're now going to call it John Oliver's India. Get a call from the. I don't know if I'm trying. I don't know if Reclaiming. I don't think so. Okay, fair enough. I think anything that I've lost is better gone. I was going to say dignity, but again you lose dignity is. I was just having a conversation with someone about why we don't like why we don't anchor things in our world around dignity more. Really? Yeah. I just think. I wish we did. You know, it just feels so important to me. Yeah, there's a. I guess the. One of the things you learn in. I remember there was a stand up in England years ago that said to me something on the way to a gig when I was starting off. He said, once you've bombed 100 times on stage you'll be fine because there is nothing an audience can take from you after that. And I gotta say he was kind of right because I think to lots of people watching a stand up bomb is you get that awful sense of oh my God, this is a nightmare. But there is nothing, there's nothing left. Like your dignity has been so shredded from doing stand up that it weirdly kind of slightly inoculates you to the. The audience loses their power to hurt you. Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. You know what? I had Sarah Silverman on the show and she was talking about how she was a bedwetter like till really late in her. And that the humiliation that came from that inoculated. She was like, oh, stand up. This is. I think it's kind of true. I think that it gives you this weird false bravado because you just can't. I've lost my dignity on stage so many times that there's either nothing left or there's nothing left to take. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. So I'd say I'd reclaim dignity, but I think I might have lost that above a pub in Mosley years ago on the 99th gig that went horrendously wrong. What is something that you have lost that you would like to find or reclaim or recreate? And it could be a physical object, a place or a part of your identity. Oh, it would have to be my dad. That would be it. You know, maybe my kids being really young, I guess again my older kids being young. I really am enjoying doing it the second time with the age difference. I think I didn't relish it quite as much as I Should have. And relish them as much as. I mean, I spend a lot of time with them now and we're very close, so I don't feel like I did a bad job. I just wish I could go back to that. Go back in time and re. Experience things. I love a time machine. Me too. Wouldn't you? Oh, yeah. Me too. Here's actor Adam Scott, Chelsea Handler, Olivia Munn and Molly Ringwald. Something that I'm really. I've really been thinking about a lot lately because my son went off to college a couple months ago. How you doing? Well, it's hard. It was. It's hard. You know, it's. It's really. It's one of those big moments, you know? You know, and when we were dropping him off, I was. I had a couple really hard moments. And I didn't want him to see it or know it. Cause I wanted him to focus on this huge moment in front of him. Right. Yeah. And it all kind of cycles through. You start seeing from baby up to saying goodbye at the dorm room, it really starts flashing through like a slideshow in your mind. And it happened for me as we were like trying to find a parking space to carry the last load up. So I think that part of that for me is as a parent, you're always thinking about the mistakes you made and the things you should. Should have done better or. But for me, it's also seeing the evidence of it and that. That there's this great person out in the world now, both my son and my daughter, who's a junior in high school and going. Doing the same thing before we know it. Because, you know, as a actor, you're gone for months at a time. And that's the. That's the thing I always feel the most guilty about. But either way, these people, these two ended up these great people who are. Who are going out in the world. So I guess the thing I would reclaim is. Is. Is. Is me. My, you know, guilt about. About being gone for chunks of time and. And not being the. The dad who was always home, particularly in the last few years. So I guess. I guess that's what it would be. What am I working on reclaiming? I think the most important thing that I've had in my whole life is the ability to lose myself in books and read books. Right. And escape through books. I just bought a bunch of big books, okay. And I wanna reclaim reading. I've always read my whole life. My father forced me to read when I was a little girl. Cause he knew I was gonna be trouble. So he's like, here, go in the corner and read Tolstoy. When I was 8, I had to read Tolstoy. Yeah. And write and give an oral book report in the kitchen. So it's not that I've lost it. I've just been so busy with everything that I haven't really sunken into a book where I've forgotten where I was and I've read for like two hours straight. That hasn't happened. Couple months. So what I am going to reclaim in the next couple weeks is that private time alone at night without the tv, with my books. I want my books back. I'm so jealous. Yes, that sounds divine. I need to get back in the habit of getting into bed and reading rather than just turning on nonsense and not caring about what I'm watching. So like to know, like, is there anything that you're working on reclaiming right now and that could be, you know, something personal or a physical object, Anything that you feel in your life. Great question. This is cliche, but I think that sometimes things being so cliche, something being said in the world so long, it kind of doesn't, doesn't really register. You don't really know how to take it in. It just feels like one of those things that people say, but to truly be present and I, you know, with my anxiety that I had for so long, you know, realizing that I was never enjoying the day, I was never being present in the day. So every day I was wasting it because I was worried about tomorrow. Two months, one month, a year. And I was regretting things I did the day before and the week before and months and years before would still stay with me, you know, looking at my two babies and I, and you know, it's difficult when you have two, you know, because you. My three year old has completely different needs than my four month old. And I'm, I'm being torn in two different directions. When I was younger, I used to say to myself, what would the 80 year old me say to the 27 year old me? Or what would the 80 year old say to the 19 year old me? And like it would a lot of times and didn't mean that I took this advice, but I would be like, get out of this relationship. Don't be so hard on yourself. It would just be like, this doesn't matter. Your whole life is, is, is over. You know, not 80 or 90. Right. Sometimes people get to 100, but I was like, the majority is gone. And you, and you, you should have Just moved on because, you know, it's, you're wasting time. And so now every time I get frustrated, which is actually very seldom because of, of, because I, because I've gone through cancer and I was so scared I, I wouldn't make it through for, you know, all the reasons. But so the frustration isn't something there. But being tired is something that I experience a lot just from everything I've been through and the medicine I have to be on. But whenever I feel tired or I'm like, oh, he made this mess, or oh my gosh, like he threw his food and like, my new white couch is like decimated, I think about being 80 and if I was granted a time machine to go 40 years back and they said, we're going to give you 40 years as a gift, you can go back and do it again. That's what I think about every time. And I think I would not be on my phone, I'd be sitting here looking at his little face, looking at her little face. I would say, make the mess. I don't care. I will not remember the mess when I'm 80. So I like to ask everybody at the end if there is anything that you are working on reclaiming right now. I want to reclaim that feeling that you have when you're little and before anybody tells you that you can't as an adult. And I feel like I'm aware of the fact that even if you sort of get it, you could also lose it the next day. So that's why to me, it's a process. It's a process of reclaiming every day. And I find it. This is a message from sponsor Intuit TurboTax tax deadline looming and you're stuck in the dark. We've all been there. Sending documents to a taxpro, then playing the waiting game, constantly checking for updates that seem to never come soon enough. TurboTax changes that match with a TurboTax full service expert and get unlimited support on your taxes at no extra cost, even during evenings and weekends throughout tax season. Simply upload your documents and watch your return progress in real time while you focus on what matters to you. 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Next up, authors Laura Brown and Christina o', Neill, Sarah Paulson and Sarah Silverman. Reclaiming. I mean, this book is a reclamation. When Christine and I posted an Instagram that then first became this book, which was in 2023 after she got fired. And we. And the Instagram said, all the cool girls get fired. And we were just watching these comments come flowing in and you, my dear girl, made us just about fall over laughing because you said. And actually you can say what you said. Well, I don't remember exactly. Ok, I'll see if I get it right. But if we do it right, I think I have it. Yeah, it's basically was like, if I hadn't been fired from the White House, I wouldn't have ended up at the Pentagon and met Linda Tripp. Yeah, exactly. And we were like, it was so good. But it just was like. And that your comment and mixed with all of these others, that was like, oh, that happened to me too. Oh, they're actually saying it. That's what propelled us. Right. Kind of to this chair. It is, it is Lemons to lemonade. It is, it is. It is showing ourselves and people that if you own what happens to you for the for better or for worse, as you have, my darling, is it's, it's. It propels you on a road to a greater sense of fulfillment, ownership, pride, agency, control, success. And so I think that that's it and that we've lived that reclaiming the sort of stigma around getting fired. You know, we really believe that, again, because of the sort of world we're in in 2025, you know, that you are not alone. You know, we joke that you don't have the exclusive on getting fired anymore. Sorry, the last question I ask everyone is, is there anything right now that you are currently working on reclaiming? So. And that could be a, A person, an aspect of your Identity, a place, a thing. I think, I think even if it's. I don't know that it's entirely conscious, but it seems to me the very thing I was saying to you a few minutes ago about walking up my walkway going, why, why? Why do I have to react the way that I react to X, Y and Z thing ever? You know, why can't I be different? I think I am working on reclaiming the idea that where I am and what I'm doing is absolutely fine and enough. And the. The prospect of investigating all that is going to be a lifelong journey and trying to kind of, you know, reclaim some of my, you know, I. I think a conversation that I've been having a lot also with Amanda is about, like, reclaiming our joy. Yeah. You know, because there's so much. It's really hard going given what's going on in the world. And at the same time also, like, you know, we know a lot of people who, like, we're at that age now where it's like so and so has cancer. This person's going through this. This person's getting divorced. This person, you know, and all of a sudden it's like, whoa, this person's bro, a friend of mine's brother died. And it's just like we keep sort of going, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, slow down. Where can we go where we try to have some fun? Disneyland. Yeah. Like, let's have some fun and whatever fun looks like to us. And you know, stop, you know, working on releasing a little bit of this. Have to stuff. Yeah. Or it should look like X or it should look like Y or this is what joy looks like. And this is what, you know, it's like sort of trying to. Right. I know. It's getting out of the head. Yeah, it's getting out of the head. It's. I get it. They're also. I find myself more and more sort of saying in therapy of like, yeah, that's not gonna get work done. Like, you're 100% right and it's not high enough on my list. Right. But that's sort of like recognizing that where you are in this current moment allows for this thing to happen, but not this thing, you know, and creating space for a little bit of air around this. Doing this kind of self work, I feel whether you're asking yourself questions or the self reflection or whatever it is, is exhausting. It's exhausting, it's tiring. It's also fortifying and all the other Things too. But it's hard. It's hard to look in the mirror and really deal with yourself sometimes. Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, fuck. Yeah, it's hard. You know, I had a joke where I said this, but it's so really, really true, which is, I love kids. And the only thing I love more than kids is doing anything I want at all times. And I think as a woman, talk about reclaiming, that's important to me. I mean, listen, I. I'm not like every. Not in the short term. Everything I want to do, I do, you know, But. But I like being the master of my domain. I like making decisions that support my own joy in this one life on this crazy planet in outer space and this dimension. Yeah, my time. I'm being very protective of my joy. I think that's my response. You know, I feel like people, our biggest responsibility needs to be our happiness. Here's author Liz Gilbert, Andrew Yang, comedian Tic Notaro, and actor Beanie Feldstein. Everything you've talked about has been around reclaiming. But, you know, I asked people at the end if there's anything they're working on reclaiming right now. So I don't know if there's my physical strength. I still have never gotten back to the physical vitality that I had before Raya got sick. And the 18 months of that journey, which was now like eight years ago, took something out of me at the physical level. And then the healing from it, the grieving of it and the healing from it, the writing of the book, like the whole epic of that experience, cost. I feel like it cost me a lot of physical strength. And I'm actually gonna be taking a sabbatical next year for six months, which I've never done. No writing, no teaching, no talking, no interviewing. And I have two things that I wanna use that time for. And one, my Spanish and See the See. And the other is to. Is to improve my physical health. So the last question I like to ask people is, what is something that you are working on reclaiming? And it could be anything from, you know, an aspect of your identity or a thing or an issue, anything. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to say two things, okay? And I'm working on something for each of these things because that's the way I'm wired. So, number one, I'm working on getting a healthier relationship with my phone, okay? Because you have, you know, social media and email, obviously, and all these other things. It's like, oh, I need to do work. I need to do work, and then you find yourself not being able to get through a dinner without, like, being distracted, not being able to help your kid with their homework without being distracted. And I know I'm not alone in this, so I want to reclaim my state of mind, my clarity, my freedom from technology. And then the other thing is, I want to reclaim. Though I don't know how this interview came across, whatever, but I want to reclaim my sense of humor. Oh, I thought you were funny. Oh, well, thank you. But, like, you know, there were all these times during the, like, media circuit and everything where it, you know, it became very serious. And so I'm working on book of comedic reflections. No joke. I know. So even it's making you laugh yesterday. So, you know, and it's making you laugh. So it's called hey, Yang, where's my thousand bucks? And it will be coming out next year. So I'm working on that. What do I want to reclaim? I feel like I'm on my way to reclaiming this, and it's a. I think I went so hard with my career for so long, and I took, like, six months off when Max and Finn were born. We didn't go anywhere. We didn't leave the house. We were just, like, in lockdown baby mode. I didn't take any work. And then. And then, you know, I got very busy. And what I want to reclaim is, I think, more of a balance. People talk about this all the time. I've thought that I was getting closer to balance or having balance, and I was not. And. And it's really been interesting because I've. I stopped touring properly, and that is a whole different world for me. And, you know, I was sitting around with Stephanie these past few days saying, gosh, this must be what it's like to just be a person where, you know, we sit and have coffee in the morning and take a walk, and I go record your show. So something that I'm asking all my guests is, what is something that you're working on reclaiming right now? I think the ing is very important. I think, like, there will never be an ed of, like, it's done, reclaimed, period. But reclaiming, I think, through the kids and through my Work With Experience camps, I think it's what grief is like, what loss is emotional. But it's like, if we. If we can help them change what it feels like to be a child that's lost someone, and for those of us that can start to change for us as adults, what it can be like to lose someone, we're never going to get rid of loss, but if we can add more community and less loneliness around it, that's the goal. And I think it's something that I will always, now that I found this work, like, always be working on reclaiming for myself and also for my dear friends that I've made and my family and the kids. Like, reclaiming how our society sees grief, maybe would be my answer. An emotional answer. Sorry, but your podcast is emotional. I've listened to it. You go there with people. We could never not go there. I know. And it's just, you know what? I feel so strongly. I'm so not interested in small talk. I want the real, I want the connection. It's what I'm hoping people get from the conversations is even if they're not sitting here with us, that they feel connected. Now we have Mark Duplass, Jurnee Smollett, Sophia Busch, and skateboarding legend Tony Hawk. We round out the show asking people if there's anything that they are working on reclaiming. Yes, I am working on something, but it's very, very early stages. I don't talk about this a ton, but it is something that's known, is that before I became a filmmaker, I was a musician. And it was my deep passion and I was a good musician. What, like what instrument? Or I. I was a singer songwriter for a while, like an, like an Indigo Boy, you know, Travel around in my van and sell CDs out of the back of my van and live in my van. Did that. Okay. My early 20s and then I was in an indie rock band. I went to jazz school and studied classical composition and I can, I could do. I worked really, really hard to develop myself to the best of my abilities and I was really good, but I was not great. And I knew it and it was killing me. Not dissimilar. From the Salieri complex to Mozart. I could see everybody around me and I could see people who were working less hard than me who were spilling brilliance onto their little home recorded machines. And it was very, very hard. And I had to reckon with that and reckon with. I didn't really like the music lifestyle, being out touring. Like I'm a homebody and I had to try to figure out, am I going to like start over in a whole new artistic thing. And I decided to. I was always a film editor and I was making little bad short films, but I wasn't really a filmmaker. But when I moved over into filmmaking, I realized everything I've learned here in this creative path is Actually carrying over quite well. Right. Creative process, storytelling, all these. All these things. So it was a lateral move. But what I do need to reclaim is this ghost of a musician who lives inside of me. And everybody who knows me well will know that, like, a good four to five times a year, a song will come on or something, and I will start sobbing uncontrollably. That is connecting to someone in me that I left behind. And it was smart because it was destroying me. But I need to figure out how to live with him and make him a part of my life in a way that doesn't overtake me. And I don't even know what that looks like. And I've tried different versions of that, like, oh, just play music in my office. Sometimes I write songs and record them, but it's not quite that. So I have a journey to reconcile that person, and I don't know what it's going to be. So the. I could sit and talk to you for hours, but the last question that I always ask everybody is if there's something you are currently working on reclaiming in a very elastic sense. Okay. Without thinking too hard, the first thing that comes to mind is I'm really working on reclaiming the present, not living in the future or, well, the future or the past, you know, and really embracing the in between the unknown and the radical act of finding my joy now. I feel like we're conditioned to go. When I get that, I'll be so happy. Or when I find that relationship, or when I can save up and buy that house, or when I can get this job promotion, or when I can get pregnant or build a family. Like, we are conditioned to go. Let me postpone my joy. Yeah, I don't actually have the right to experience joy right now because things are challenging. And I'm really, really working on going. I'm aware of the challenges. Yeah. I'm aware that the world feels like it's going down and burning in a trash can right now. And how radical would it be for me to actually find joy now? And it can be in the bite of a really juicy peach or planting a garden or playing the piano. You know, I mean, whatever that is, a bath. I don't, you know, whatever that is. Like giving yourself the approval to go, I'm not gonna postpone my joy. And I'm not gonna put my life on hold. I love that everything's not perfect. I am really. I am working on holding my center on. On reclaiming what I know to be true and letting anyone else's projections, opinions, alternative facts. Yeah. Exist in a. In a separate circle. Like, I'm working on really reclaiming my core and not letting it be infiltrated by other things, which is a practice for me as an activist because I. I watch our democracy being, you know, hacksawed and sold for parts, and I have to work on that because it is a calling in my life, and I have to figure out how to. How to keep it. You know, if your life is a house and this sort of core I'm talking about is like, the bedroom, you know, where you're meant to sleep. You can't let your work into your sleeping space. And so I'm trying to keep the activism at the kitchen table and keep my room quiet. For me, the question I ask everybody at the. At the end of our chat is if there's anything you're working on reclaiming right now, and it could be a thing or. Well, for me, it's an easy answer. Oh, great. Good. Make it easy for you. I am reclaiming our video game series in the form of three and four. Remaster. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, that news just broke. Okay. Oh, very cool. Very excited. It's got new, you know, a lot of the legendary skaters, you know, legendary parks and maps, but also new ones. New skaters, um, new tricks, new challenges. I'm so excited. I, like, I can't believe we've kept it under wraps as long as we have, because. So cool. It's. It's. In terms of fans of the series, it's been really hard to keep them at bay, and they had basically given up on three and four being remastered. Okay. I mean, we're. We're 25 years. Wow. After the fact, so. Oh, my gosh, it's so exciting. Here's Brooke Shields, Julia Fox, comedian Nicole Byer, and author, illustrator Charlie macassee. The last question I ask everybody is, what is something that you're wanting to reclaim right now? And the answer could be anything. A part of your identity, an emotion, a place, a thing. I want to reclaim my peace of mind that in all the noise and in everything, I lost a little bit about. Of my. Like, it's okay. It's okay. You know what? You're fine. You're a good person. You have good people in your life. Like, don't be so hard on yourself. Don't be so hard. And when I was much younger, I had this buoyancy to me, and there was a chunk of time that I got really, really serious, and I needed to be, because things were not great things were happening that were sad and health wise and parents and loss and like a bunch of stuff. And my light kind of got a little dimmed because I got a bit beaten down. And then I was still famous, so then I was angry about being famous because I didn't have any freedom. So there was this like 10, 15 years of just angst. And I'm watching myself wanting to. I'm getting bits of it back and it feels so good that it's like, I feel like the Macy's Day Parade balloons when they're being like blown up and they're just gonna soar over their life and be like, ah, it's okay. You did well. Just love. Have that peace of mind. Float. Yeah. Kind of to float, float, feel full and feel light, you know? Yeah. That's really beautiful. I'm gonna say my time. Yeah. Even back to like the not posting on social media, I feel like I am so quick to just give my time away and I'm working on saying no more. And like, I do have a people pleaser thing that I'm really trying to work on. And. And I just want to be way more intentional on the things I do and. And not be driven by this fear of like. But. But I have to make money now. And I have. You know, it's like, you can relax. There will be more opportunities down the line just to pay. Be just a little more conscious of what I'm spending my time on, who I'm spending my time with, and just making sure that there is a good balance and that it's not all work, work, work. I thought about this on my way over. Yes. And I was like, I want to reclaim my body. And I was like, no, I don't need to. I like my body. It's. I have a very good relationship with it. So I'm gonna reclaim my health. So I have type 2 diabetes and I had high blood pressure and high cholesterol and stuff and a little touch of sleep apnea. And I've just been working really hard on figuring out how to not have those things anymore. And I'm on Manjaro. I don't. It is what it is. Yeah. I've just been trying to reclaim my health and I have lost like a little bit of weight. And sometimes people will comment on it. And I don't love that because I'm not doing it for aesthetics. I. I liked how I looked fatter. I thought my face looked real cherub, like, and adorable. Still adorable. Hey. And cherub, like, thank You. And that's why I drove here, because I wanted to hear that. But, like, my butt was bigger, and I just, like, I felt more confident at that size. I feel less confident, smaller, but, like, my numbers are better. So I'm like, well, that's what's important. I would like to live for as long as I'm supposed to, and I don't want the things wrong with my body to make my life harder. Right. And it sucks, and I don't like it, but I'm reclaiming my health at a girl. At a girl. I think in my life, I've often been like a leaf being blown around in different directions and landing and being at the mercy of so many things and getting some. I know it's gonna sound weird, but getting some agency back to really value my own choices and go, no, I'm actually, no, I'm not going to do that. And working out what is a drain and what is a tap. And there will always be things that empty you, that are important. You do anyway, you know, listen to people when it's difficult, but to remember that you must make choices that are also good for you, that fill you, that give you back. Next, actor Grace Van Patten, Amanda Knox, comedian Margaret Cho and Josh Radner. I am always on a mission to reclaim my inner child. I really decided or realized that it was a part of myself that I want to keep forever and always reintroduced to myself when my little sister was born and I was 15. And like, watching her grow up at an age where I was, you know, just old enough to realize that that's a baby. And I had fear for. I never had, like, a motherly instinct for a child before, obviously. And watching her, like, experience Christmas for the first time or, like, events or losing her first tooth or whatever, when I had been at an age where I was so over that I was, like, getting over those things and Christmas was, like, less magical to me, and seeing how magic life was to her really inspired me through life through acting, being so inspired by her unself consciousness and, like, trust, like, trust for people, which I've had a hard time with. So I think, yeah, just reclaiming that part of myself and reminding myself to, like, tap into that as much as I can. One thing that I'm reclaiming is my sense of humor. So, yeah, like, what role has humor played for you? Well, I, I've always had a sense of humor, and I feel like I. Again, one of the ways that I'm very lucky is that I, I, I automatically or intuitively sort of try to. I see the absurd in the situation and I laugh about it. Like, you know, a great example of this is when I first came home from prison. You know, in prison you don't, you have like, you know, plastic cutlery. Like, you don't, like, you don't have anything that could remotely be used as a weapon. And one of the first things that my family did is we finally just like landed back at my, you know, my aunt's house is they pull out this big cake and they hand me a huge knife and they're like, cut the cake. And I'm like, you sure about that? And it's just like, you gotta laugh at the absurdity of it. Like, you have to have a sort of dark sense of humor to like release the valve. Because like, in that moment I could have reacted in one of two ways. I could have been like, what my body was going was, oh my God, I have not been around, I've not even been around cutlery for four years because everyone thought I was a monster. Like that was what was going on in my head. And so I could either just sort of, I could walk up to that situation and go, ah, like, and, and freak out or I can just laugh about it. Yeah, you know, like, ha, ha ha. Wasn't that a horrible experience? You know, like, you know, and, and so for me, one of the things that I, I love is, and I truly believe is like tragedy plus time equals comedy. And I, I've, you know, recently did a one hour comedy, you know, thing, stand up thing that I did in a local theater, you know, in, in, in Washington state. And I want to continue doing that because I really like embrace. I, I've discovered that I feel really comfortable performing. And I think maybe that's in part because I've had to, I've been put on the spot. Like I had the spotlight put on me and I've had to stand up for myself and defend myself and articulate myself and, and I've learned how to do that now. Like, I didn't know how to do that before. I learned how to do that now. And now I can sort of use some of that experience towards more different kinds of storytelling, which I really love. So I like to ask everybody at the end of the chat, you know, if they are kind of working on reclaiming anything, something personal or a physical object. There's anything you're. You're looking at reclaiming right now. I think I'm really trying to reclaim like a childlike wonder all the Time, Like, I want to be so, like, not jaded about things. I don't want to be cynical about things. I want to actually have, like, innocence and wonder again about whatever it is, you know, I think when I was really young, there was, like, so much wonder that I've lost over time, and I'd like to get that back. I think the first thing that comes to me is I would like to reclaim my own ability to define success for myself. And not again, it's self perception, like, not jump into the eyes of other people, most of whom I don't know, and say, like, oh, this is what I must look like or what my career must look like. Instead to just, you know, I'm on this, like, tour right now as a musician. I'm 50. Like, I'm way too old for this, you know, but the people who come to the shows and buy the vinyl and tell me how much my career has meant to them and songs mean to them, like, if I'm not calling that success, I'm just creating misery for myself. Like, I. Right. You know, I don't. I don't have aspirations to play arenas. Like, I don't think my stuff would even sit well there. It's a much more intimate thing that I'm engaged in, but I think just really letting success be a little simpler than I defined it. Like, I make my living telling stories, and those stories affect people, and I think that that needs to be enough. Right. Or I'm going to create misery for myself. Foreign. Here's Cindy Crawford, author Glennon Doyle, John Chu, and makeup mogul Victoria Jackson. The last question I ask everybody is, what is something that you're working on reclaiming and right now? And it could be a part of your identity or a place or a thing or. Yes. Well, I've seen your podcast, so I kind of was expecting this question, and the thing that came to mind was really like, I think one of the answers is my couple dom with my husband. Because as much as I always wanted kids and I love having kids and I wouldn't change it for the world, and my husband feels the same way. And we're always parents, but it's like they are launched. They are living in their own homes, and we have, like, we're. You still like each other. So we. I like to ask everybody at the end of reclaiming, if there's anything that you are working on to reclaim right now, and that could be, you know, the answer could be anything. It could be a part of your identity or an emotion, a Place a thing. Okay, this is so, so weird, but I'm just going to tell you what came up for me when you said that. Okay, so not too long ago, a friend sent me a gift in the form of an astrologist who came to my house. And my whole life I've been very connected to my Pisces identity. It's like, no matter what went wrong, I was like, well, I'm a Pisces. Possibly check my email. I can't possibly call you back. I can't do taxes. I'm a Pisces. Like, I just. It was very important I used Pisces. As, like, this freaking astrologist comes and tells me, I'm going to tell you something that might be a little jarring, and that is because you were born at 521 on March20, not a Pisces. You're an Aries. Oh, my gosh, Monica. Yeah, I'm just. I'm an astrology person, so I understand the life quake that that is of. Yeah, I thought I was straight. I'm queer. I thought I was a Christian. I'm anorexic. I thought, like, if I'm. If somebody tells me I'm a Republican, I'm done here. Anyway, it was tough one for me. And so I think I am trying to reclaim whatever the hell this Aries part of me. Listen, I'm always trying to reclaim time because even things I love claim more and more time. And yet all I want to do is give my time to my children and my wife. And I know I need to be doing those things so my kids can see, like, wow, you can build a world by just imagining it. And I want them to see working hard is a beautiful thing and that it's not. When I leave them, I don't. They're like, don't go. And I say to them, I say, I love where I'm going, and I want you to find wherever you're gonna head. Like, love what you're doing because it will take away time from sometimes your children, people that you really, really love. So I'm just. I want to. I want to find that balance. I don't know if I found it exactly yet, but every day I see those kids and they're growing every day it's like, how do I do what I can do but also claim as much time with them before they don't want to claim time with me anymore? You know, I don't think I know anybody who wears more hats than you do. Of all the things you do and all you've accomplished. It's such a long list. I have to read it. Ok. So I. I've just like, I. Because it's amazing. All the different ways I've learned so much from you around reclaiming from so many of your experiences and. And am in awe, you know. So you are Victoria Jackson, a makeup mogul, co owner of the bookstore, godmothers, author of five books, including We All Worry now what? Co founder of a foundation to support families with the rare disease nmo. Neuromyelitis. Did I say that right? Neuromyelitis optica. You certainly did. Thank you. Have gotten three drugs through the FDA approval process, which is unbelievably difficult. And you did so by getting the drug companies to work together, which is unheard of. Right. There's more. You've been inducted into the Women's hall of Fame and by Gloria Steinem, no less. Met and were honored by the late Pope. Are a devoted daughter, grandma, mom, wife, friend. I don't know if I missed anything. Oh, that's pretty good. Yeah. I'm already tired, so I'm working on reclaiming something that I haven't had. Okay. Joy. So I am working to claim that because I haven't had a lot of joy. You know, I've been such a. Solving problems or working through a lot of things. I really just want to sort of, as I'm turning 70 is a big milestone for me. It's really to sort of let myself have some joy, do some different things. You know, travel where travel's been a very big anxiety for me. Right. That's something I've watched you. I've watched you work through every time we fly together. Yep. Getting on a plane. So I'd say really trying to claim some joy for myself. And, you know, there's wonderful reclaiming in getting back into the cosmetic world right now. I mean, that's. To be able to reclaim a moment in time that, you know, was a long time ago, and to be able to bring that back in sort of the full circle kind of magic moment I'm in with all of that is pretty extraordinary. Next is JoJo, actors Andrew Rannells and Lili Reinhart and activist Tarana Burke. So the process of me reclaiming my voice from a legal perspective was that I wasn't going to sign the same type of contract that I signed. A big part of me finding my voice was starting Clover Music, which is my record label, which is where I started to release things over the last few years. And whether that's in conjunction with a distribution company or completely on my own. I've done different types of deals with that. And I learned a lot about ownership through not having it and the different streams of income that an artist can have, you know, from master recording and then publishing and mechanical royalties and licensing deals. And that's just from a record. And then there's all different ways that an artist can make money. But starting so young and not having any background or experience from it and then feeling. By the time I kind of woke up to everything, I also felt embarrassed that I didn't know, so then I didn't want to ask questions. And so I'm still learning so much, and it's like trial by fire. So the process of me reclaiming my voice is still. I'm still having an everyday new relationship with my voice and trying to get back to when it was fun and play and it wasn't about a result. It was an exploration and I am just able to have fun with it now. Everything felt like such, so life or death for such a long time. And I'm not doing fucking brain surgery. God. Like, hopefully no one's gonna die because of me. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm like, why am I making this so intense? I just wanna have. I just wanna have a good time and I want other people to have joy and pleasure. And that's. Yeah, that's how I wanna do the next 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. God willing. So the last question I ask everybody, what is something that you are working on reclaiming right now? And it could be a part of your identity or a thing or a place. I feel like I was sort of prepared for this. Okay, good. A little bit. Yeah. No, no. I feel like. And this sounds super. I don't want to. This seems, like, so egotistical. I really sort of lost for a long time, like, why I like doing the thing that I do and why it made me happy. And I feel like I had a moment a few years ago where I was like, do I still like being an actor? Do I still. Does it bring me any joy to do this? And I've sacrificed so much to have this career and have this life. And I really. It sort of put me into a little bit of a spiral for a while. But I think the answer that I came to was I do really love doing this, and it brings me great joy to get to perform in front of people, and I shouldn't be embarrassed by it and I shouldn't apologize for it. And I Should just go back to, like, the sort of teenage version of myself that, like, just wanted to do that because it was really fun and made me happy. So I think that's where I. That's what I'm trying to reclaim is. Is a. A level of joy. Simple. Of just saying, like, I like what I get to do, and I'm not. I don't. I can stop apologizing right. About that. Well, I think sometimes in our culture that it's sort of, like, it can be hard to sort of just go, everything's great. Like, really, you know, that it's sort of. Oh, I'm really happy with my. Oh, my relationship is. Yeah. Super easy and smooth, and it. There's sort of a. Yeah. That you. That you kind of get. That's a good point. It's okay. So maybe it's okay to be like, things are good. Yeah. I feel. Yeah. I mean, the Jew in me is like, touch wood. No, I know. Same thing. My. But yes. I think all of my ancestors would be like, what? But I think it is. Yeah. I think there are moments where it's okay to say. Maybe not to everybody, but to say to some, like, I'm happy right now. I think I feel empowered in being exactly who I am, and I have the desire to find joy and happiness and peace, and I have patience and compassion for when I don't. And I think that's something that I definitely had to learn rather than sort of shame. You can't shame. Shame yourself out of being depressed. Yeah. Or unfortunately or unhappy. Otherwise, we'd all be happy. I think there's just been an acceptance of it, and also surrounding myself with people who accept it as well is such a huge thing. I'm so thankful I could talk about my partner until the end of time. Jack. But that I. And my family has always. My mother has always been so deeply accepting of my brain and my mental state. And I'm so lucky that I have her. And then I'm so lucky that I have a partner who's deeply compassionate and empathetic for my experience as well. And I think, like, building that community around me has made such a. Such a vast difference in just how I view myself. And I don't view myself as sort of a problem to be solved anymore. It's more of just a work in progress. Yeah. Yeah. That's really beautiful. Our last question that we ask everybody on the show is, what is something you're wanting to reclaim right now? And the answer could be anything. A part of your identity. An emotion, a place, a thing. I don't know if there's something beyond you. Reclaiming yourself every day. That's a fucking good reclaiming, Tarana. That's a good reclamation, baby. I do. I do. I try to reclaim myself every day. And it's a lot of me, you know, and sometimes it's different parts of me, you know, I have to sometimes reclaim my heart. I sometimes have to reclaim my brain. You know, I just. There's a different part of me that I have to decide every day, my whole self. But it is. It is the part of what happens when you experience extreme trauma is you get broken up in a particular kind of way. And the truth that people don't like to say, they're like, you're not broken. No, I'm not broken because I've worked really hard to pull myself back together. And I'm not the same. And I'm okay with not being the same, but it's. But the truth is, I have to fill in those gaps all the time, and it's okay as long as I get up and I keep going. But it is. I am very conscious that that is what my life is, and that's just the truth of it. And I think we have to be honest about that truth. It's not a bad truth. There's a lot of joy in my life. There's a lot. A lot of joy. I laugh a lot. I live a lot. I love a lot. There's so much good in my life. And there are days when I can't get out of bed. There are days when I'm extremely sad. There are days when I feel really desperate and hopeless. And I balance that out with all this other goodness. That's just what's true. And I think that's true for a lot of people. Anne Lamott, Jamie Kern Lima, Dr. Mary Claire Haver, and Richard Christensen are next. This sort of final question that I asking guests is what is something you have lost that you would like to find or reclaim? And it could be a physical object, a place, a part of your identity. I lost at a very young age the ability to love myself at whatever size and whatever development stage I was at. My father had contempt for my mother, who was quite overweight. My mother was always on a diet or overeating. And I, as I mentioned, got sent to my room whenever I had feelings that were unpleasant for my parents. And we didn't eat. If we got sent to our room, that was the English way. And I developed so many weird thoughts about Myself as a woman, because my father loved thin women. Long, thin, buxom women. And when in the 50s and early 60s, before there was the women's movement, it was okay for men to comment on a girl's body. And I can remember being a little girl, Monica, you know, being seven, I was really skinny being seven and eight, and people saying, don't you feed her to my mom. And my mom having to laugh and pretend it was funny because my natural body was so thin. Then I started developing at 13 and 14. I got really overweight and I was never okay. I was either trying to get thinner or I was secretly binging. And in recovery, I've been cleanness over 38 years. Oh, my God. And I've been in recovery. Yeah. And I got into healing. I was bulimic for years and I've been anorexic, but not for a few decades. But when I was sober a year, I got into the healing around the bulimia and the hatred of my body and the fear of my body that I might gain. Oh, my God, two pounds, you know, and that if the scale said I was two pounds up, it would be like having Marjorie Taylor Greene judge me as my worth as a human being. Right? Yeah. And it's. I know all of this. I not I know it, but I mean, I know it from my own experiences in my own life too, so. And it's a long road back. And so what I am finding one day at a time doing the recovery work around my body and the scale and dieting and binging is this radical self love and acceptance for this one body that God gave me that I am only putting, well, let's say 95% of the time, delicious, healthy food into and that I am honoring and that I am tending to the way that I would tend to a child, you know, because I always had kind of big thighs relative to my body. And I wrote a piece about having this moment of radical clarity in a swimsuit on a beach with these teenagers looking at my body. And I was about 40, and my thighs were not, you know, quite what I had hoped, let's say. And coming to just like all but raise my fist in victory because I felt okay. Wow. And what I lost was that feeling that I am okay. What you think about my body has nothing to do with what my body and me are about. So that's what I love actively, that I'm being restored to that acceptance. You know what I did this morning after I took my shower? I rubbed this delicious lotion into these thighs of mine. And I thanked my feet for how far they have brought me. I think I'm on a constant reclaiming journey now of not being scared of my own light or how bright it can be. I actually think, like, we all have. I believe every one of us has callings on our life and destiny that we can fulfill and things that we're here to do and like the, you know, Oprah always calls it the fullest, highest expression of who we are. And I don't think I'm there yet. I think I have to embrace my light even more than I do. And I think navigating that and remembering that no one else should ever, ever tempt us to dim our own light. I don't want to arrive at the end of my life one day, hopefully, God willing, many, many decades. And I don't want to look back and go, oh, I kind of played it safe, or, oh, I lived as part of who I am, but not all of who I am. I feel like I'm still in many ways reclaiming my self worth, even though, like, I spend half my life helping other people build their self worth right now. Like, that's what I focus on. And I'm also in that journey of constantly doing that. Of constantly. Because I know in my soul I'm fully enough. What are you working on reclaiming personally? Me? Yeah, me. Now that I've. I've. I'm done with, you know, I'll always be a mother, but they're grown, you know, I'm solidified in my partnership. You know, like, of course we have our moments, but, you know, we've been together over 30 years. Congratulations. And you know, and he's totally supportive. Like he is basically retired and is now backing me up in this business. And I am want to live my best life. And I don't want at the end of the road to have the same path that, you know, less, way more options than my grandmother and my mother did. My grandmother spent the last 10 years of her life in a bed. Yeah, mine too. Incontinent. Alzheimer's. We didn't know what it was Alzheimer's back then. Absolutely not. My maternal completely debilitated in loss of independence and miserable, you know, and would not kept telling me I wasn't always like this. Do you remember when I used to play with you? Do you remember? And before she could, she didn't talk in the last two or three years. But you know, and I'm. Mama's pretty much going down the same path now. It took her mid-80s. But I'm like, I want better. And I want better for my girls. I want better for our nieces. And all the women coming up behind us, all these perimenopausal women, like they deserve better. Men live shorter life, so we live longer than men. We rent on what I see the wellness bros and longevity bros spouting their new gadget and all this stuff. I'm like, that's not gonna make my patients, they're not coming in wanting to live to 120. They don't want to live without their loved ones. I have no desire to live that zero. What I want to do is not lose my independence. I want to be independent until the day I die. So take care of myself, drive, cook, whatever, but that I am not. My daughters are not interrupting their lives to come and take care of mama. So I'm trying to stack as many cards in my favor so that whatever time, that period is as short as possible. Wow. So the question I always ask everyone at the end is if there's something that you are currently working on reclaiming and that could be, you know, an aspect of your identity or a place or an emotion. I am, I'm actually trying to reclaim the softer part of myself actually. Really, like especially with Harvey and being a good partner, actually, I think I. I spent so long working and didn't flex some of those other muscles and maybe that's the, the part I'm most, most interested in like really getting great at. And now authors Lise Lunan and Courtney Smith, actor Michael Urie, author Harlan Coben and Ke$ha. So I am in the process of reclaiming my relationship to my own intuition. Oh yeah, that's good. Yeah. My own self knowing. Uh huh. Yep. How about you, Elise? I. Oh, I'm reclaiming so many things. I'm reclaiming the belief that I deserve support and unhooking from feeling like this is a quid pro quo universe, asking for what I need and want and sometimes demanding it from people on whom I can make those demands. But that's part of letting the story about my extreme competence and self sufficiency go and recognizing that's on me. And in the same way, like I, I can ask people to do things for me. Okay, so the last question I ask everybody on the podcast is if there's anything that you are currently like working on reclaiming, and that's, you know, in this elastic definition of, you know, for some people it's a hobby or being able to go to a place or personality trait or, you know, anything. So I've had a very lucky stretch of work the past few years with shrinking and a bunch of Broadway stuff, and now this off Broadway play. And it has really, really been nonstop. And I'm also, like, really, really remarkably tired from, like, the last four years. And so the thing that I am, for the first time ever, really, like, clear about. Cause we're like dogs with food actors. We're always like, when's my next meal coming from? And so we are always looking for the next job. And I am looking for the next job, sure. But I don't want it to be in three weeks. Right. I really want in the. I really want to reclaim, like, and find out what I'm like when I'm not working. I'm not a teacher. I'm nothing like that. But I do want to help the people that I work with and love that are close to me get to that next step that for me is. And I think that helps me reclaim whatever trauma I've had in my life by making, you know, not in a big way. I'm not a big picture kind of guy. That way. I'm not to help the whole world. I wish I was. But if I could help my corner of it tend my own garden, that I think is probably the closest I come to something that. Reclaiming something. Yeah. Oh, that's really beautiful. Really interesting. Yeah. I really found tremendous joy. And again, I hate saying this kind of things because it sounds so phony, but I really have tremendous joy now in other people's joys that are around me. That's where I'm finding the most joy in my life. I've had a tremendous amount of success. I've had, you know, a lot of bestsellers and the TV shows, and I still want that. And I'm ambitious. That's a go away. But I want to take people with me on it. I don't want to be. When I write a novel, I'm Winnie Wimbledon. I'm the guy alone on the court. I am now preferring where I can take people with me and be the captain of a team we can all celebrate together. And I love that I am reclaiming freedom and, like, freedom in every way. Not just. I'm not just talking about my voice. It's a big one. But I'm talking about to anything and everything that takes me away from myself. Freedom from the past, from the trauma, from the Twitter voices telling me I'm ugly. Like, from all the. I've been carrying my entire life The. That just sticks with you. Sticks on you from all the people or climbing. All the things. I'm cleaning house. And I want to experience real and true freedom. And I think I want to say thank you to you for having me. Oh, my gosh. Thank you for coming and trusting me and. Well, I do. You provided really safe space, and I feel really safe and comfortable. So I want to say thank you. And I feel like when someone is a safe. Yeah. Person. Interviewer, they, like, should know that it's appreciated that they're safe. Thank you. Because as a survivor of. Yeah. Things I'm sure you know, but, like, the freedom to talk about what I can talk about. I appreciate you allowing me to feel safe while doing that. Right. It's really huge. It's healing. Yeah. And so every single day is healing a little something. So I want. My intention is reclaiming freedom. Last but not least, my very first interview for Reclaiming was with Alan Cumming, and we didn't have the question yet, so enjoy this. Funny. Anyway, but Ed said it's kind of a sad indictment that you have to do a podcast in order to get a proper chat, isn't it? We need to make sure we have. I know more. We should go on retreats, Monica, you and I. Oh, I'm down for that. Grant, see if I can come. Yeah, exactly. Grant's allowed. And Mary Darling. And Mary darling. We can go to our house in the country. Yeah, exactly. Or in our new house in Scotland. Yeah. You sent me photos. I'm very jealous. It's so beautiful. Yeah. I just love it so much. I love it so much. Beautiful. I feel completely at peace. Whole. Whole. Yes. I feel whole. Sounds dirty. Only you. Like this lady in Edinburgh who has a bagel shop. She's in Montreal. She named a bagel after me. And it's called Bross. Her name is Lara Brosson. It's called Brosses bagels. And her whole thing is fill your hole. That's her sort of motto of the bagel shop. And when she wanted to do a bagel named after me, she wanted to call it coming in your hole. And I said, no, no, we will not. And I called it the wholesome coming. Instead, I kind of flipped it. Yeah, I think that's better. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have a bagel named after me. Well, yet. Life is long. Yeah. I do not even want to encourage that. Actually. I don't. Cut. That's an erase part of the. No, really. Thank you so much for this total pleasure reclaiming with Monica Lewinsky. Is hosted and executive produced by me, Monica Lewinsky Production Services by WTF Media Studios. Our theme song is by Ben Benjamin and our music supervisor is Scott Velasquez. Our story producer is Elna Baker and our senior producer is Megan Donis for Wondery. Eliza Mills is the development producer. Our managing producer is Taylor Sniffin. Nick Ryan is our senior managing producer. Senior producers are Candace Manriquez, Wren and Emily Feldbrake and executive producers are Dave Easton, Erin o' Flaherty and Marshall Louie.
