The ladies discuss 60 Minutes on HateAid, Milei's foray into meme coins, and Ashley St. Clair's Valentine's Day baby bombshell.
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Anna
We're back.
Ashley
It's us again.
Anna
Hey.
Ashley
Hey. Hey. How's it going, Anna?
Anna
It's good. I'm PMSing.
Ashley
Yeah, me too. I'm like about to get my. My period.
Anna
Me too.
Ashley
If you're gonna feel. I'm kind of on the.
Anna
Anyway, what were you talking.
Ashley
What was I talking, Jack? I was like meandering.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
What the. What's even. I mean, Ashley Sinclair.
Anna
Yeah. Hay aid.
Ashley
Hay a. The. Yeah. Germany has an election coming up and they're really cracking down on hate speech. Vance sort of chastised them in the eu broadly at like a conference in Munich. What else?
Anna
That's about it.
Ashley
That's the end of the episode. What's in the news. Okay. Which we talk about first.
Anna
It's up to you. Roll the die.
Ashley
Let's talk about Germany. Sure.
Anna
Everyone saw the 60 Minutes clips.
Ashley
Awesome. I love, I love 60 Minutes.
Anna
Me too. Everyone was like, well, it's for boomers. That's why.
Ashley
Blah, blah, blah.
Anna
And I was like, I guess I'm a boomer. It is. Yeah.
Ashley
It's like, it's nice. It's like, you know, it's some nice reporting, you know.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
You're like a journalist. Is there. And they're a guy has folders and.
Anna
Stuff and they have like, just like an endless revolving door roster of like pretty attractive but kind of aging female reporters who are supposed to be like hard hitting and skeptical, which I really like. It reminds me of that. Of like the heyday of like Katie Couric and Diane Sawyer and. What's the other lady? Jane. Something.
Ashley
I don't know. I don't. Yeah, I'm not from. Wasn't familiar.
Anna
It's before your time. Jane Pauley.
Ashley
Oh, okay. Yeah, I've heard that before.
Anna
And they were all kind of like hot yet dignified, which we don't really have anymore.
Ashley
We have 60 minutes.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
You know, it's like, it's a respectable media institution.
Anna
It's just funny because the only time you encounter shows like that is when they make their way to social media in the form of viral clips.
Ashley
I used to watch it during the Pandem when I was in LA with Sophie and Andy. We'd watch 60 Minutes every night. It was like part of our like, domestic rhythm.
Anna
What's the vibe with 60 Minutes?
Ashley
Is it like, it's like little stories?
Anna
Yeah, no, I know, but is it like lib tarted or is it nonpartisan?
Ashley
That's the thing. It's like, it's kind of. It's the news. You Know.
Anna
Yeah. But with like, a human interest layer, which is always fun.
Ashley
Yeah. It's very neutral, I'd say it's a very, like, centrist.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Show.
Anna
And they kind of like, go where the wind blows. Yeah. So they ran the segment on something called hey Aid, which is a Berlin based human rights organization that, quote, supports the victims of online violence. I, like, went to the gym that day for the first time in maybe like four or six months. So I was really high on my own supply and, like, too big for my britches. I felt, like, real euphoric and arrogant and ordinarily I would be, like, struck by, like, moralistic fervor. But this time I just couldn't stop laughing because. I know. I know. It's very sad and tragic. I mean, what's happening in Europe.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
Their great civilization is, like, coming to heal.
Ashley
It's not. It hasn't been good for a while.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
In my opinion. And Germany has very much been leading the charge.
Anna
Yeah. Of being cucked and cowardly. It's just so funny. Like, the whole premise, like, the, like, victims of online violence, it just makes me think of that, like, Tyler, the creator, tweet.
Ashley
Yeah. Just close your eyes. What do you mean? I mean, I was enjoying, I guess, the, like, thought experiment of, like, people being mean to me going to jail. I know, I know. I was. Like, a lot of people have done crimes against me.
Anna
But, like, on the flip side, so much of what we've said on here and on Twitter would land us in jail. In Germany.
Ashley
We'd all just be in jail.
Anna
And, like, I did so much Germany roasting on the tl, Like, I really can't set foot over there without at least being slapped with, like, a hefty fine. Yeah.
Ashley
So they unclear, like, when these laws went into effect, but they're prosecuting people who not only post what's commonly, you know, we all can recognize as, like, hate speech, but anything that incites hate.
Anna
Yeah. Or incites violence. Yeah.
Ashley
Well, she presses them and says, is it a crime to insult someone? And they say, yes.
Anna
Yeah. And there.
Ashley
And then she's like. And it's even worse. More of a crime. To insult someone on. It is illegal.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
To insult on the Internet.
Anna
Yeah. Yeah. Because there is a record. And what you say on the Internet stays there. If I insult you in person, that's okay. Because we can have it out right there. But I can't do a German accent.
Ashley
That's also a crime.
Anna
Yeah. Which, like, I. I had this thought recently, like, man, I could really Go for like a European vacation. How nice would it be to have like a pet, a terror there. You can mince around like on cobblestone streets wearing a little beret and eating tons of pastries and somehow you never get fat. And in fact you may even lose weight.
Ashley
Anna in Paris.
Anna
Yeah. And you're wearing all these stupid little fashions. And then I was like, man, am I glad to be an American.
Ashley
Of course. I mean, I love France. The other, you know, parts of Europe I've been to do just feel there is this like crushing, kind of like eco leftist.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And so this is all happening ostensibly, I guess because the election and the AF D. Yeah. Alternative for Deutschland party. Which is the far right.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
I guess over there. So they are trying to like suppress.
Anna
Right. Yeah.
Ashley
Organic online expressions of thought, populism and.
Anna
Democracy in the guise of a wrong thing of supporting and advancing democracy because we need civility. Yeah. I guess in Germany the hate speech laws are written into the constitution as the CEO of Hay Day points out.
Ashley
I mean I've known it's. But you can't say shit about the Holocaust.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
You can't say nothing about. You can't do swastika over there. You can't even. Which I. This is wrong.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
It's even like, even from, you know, it's wrong on so many levels because it's also kind of like. It's like saying like we can't talk about slavery.
Anna
Right.
Ashley
I mean it's like, like to not even talk. Yeah. You can't say anything. Yeah.
Anna
I mean it's wrong on a moral level. But even that is too like nebulous and abstract because it's also wrong on a practical level because you're literally just radicalizing people and red pilling them by contributing to like an overall climate of repression.
Ashley
It doesn't accomplish any of the stated or implicit goals.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And instead like. Yeah. Ferments. I guess like. Yeah. Repress rage.
Anna
Yeah. And like, you know, you can get fined for it or even jailed for it.
Ashley
They come in your house, take your phone away.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Comes in your house. Imagine it's like a police raid. I mean you're doing day trading and they take my computer away because I posted a meme with all of your.
Anna
Like nudes and pepes on it. And I'm guessing this is like an organization that like bills itself as like facilitating the discovery and prosecution of like speech offenders and thought criminals.
Ashley
Well, Hate Aid is a separate thing.
Anna
Yeah. But it's like a German based organization that like liaises with like the government. The intelligence.
Ashley
Yeah. And they are subsidized by the government.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And yeah. Work closely with the online hate task force.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Printing out the memes and putting them in the folders.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And the guy takes the reporter into his. His shitty office with all his folders.
Anna
I know, that's like. That was the fun. I couldn't stop laughing because it's so fucking German to have like a ton of folders and files. It's like Stasi coded.
Ashley
It's actually like not efficient.
Anna
Yeah, exactly. Which is the saving grace because it's a bunch of like Gen X and Boomer bureaucrats who don't know how to use a computer, like filing things into cabinets. And they have like printouts of your most inflammatory tweets. And that the examples of the hate speech that they show are like, pretty damning rhetorically. It's like people making jokes about how refugee children should play in like electrified wire or how all migrants should die.
Ashley
But, you know, they have some very benign stuff in there too.
Anna
Yeah, yeah. Like cartoons of Muhammad, someone putting up.
Ashley
An SS flag as a teenager for photo shoot, you know.
Anna
But like Lomez pointed out that Hay Aid is the organization that employs a guy called Travis Brown, who's a former Twitter employee and notorious doxer, who likely fed the Doge employee Marco Ellis's tweets to former USAID worker, now Wall street journalist Catherine Long, who broke the story.
Ashley
Here we go.
Anna
And Travis Long is apparently like an antifa journalist who was suspended from Twitter for doxing, but won an injunction against them so he could resume his activity. And Hate Aid was actually the entity that sued Twitter on his behalf. So they not only expose and prosecute people who are allegedly guilty of hate speech, they also provide like legal counsel and legal aid to people who are doing the exposing and the prosecuting.
Ashley
It's truly Orwellian.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
This is.
Anna
This is Josephine Balon, who's the CEO. Without boundaries, a very small group of people can rely on endless freedom and like trying to do a German accent but failing. I'm going to give it up. Ya.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
To say anything that they want while everyone else is scared and intimidated. This is not only a fear, it's already taking place. Already half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid to express their political opinion and they rarely participate in public debates online. And anymore, I wonder why that is. Is it a cyber bullying issue? It's because they're scared of trolls and bullies online.
Ashley
They're scared to go on the Internet. Yeah.
Anna
They're scared Nick Buen does might ratio them. That's why they're not giving their opinions on politics in their country.
Ashley
Not because you're busting down my door while I'm playing on my phone.
Anna
Is there another reason perhaps why people are frightened to air their honest opinions about the state of German politics that concerns everyone inside of Germany. And the. The ironic thing about it is that they're still like total Nazis. Like, literally, the direction of the persecution may have changed. It may have flipped entirely. They used to persecute the Jews, now they're persecuting on behalf of the Jews. But, like, the core personality course construct is the same. It's like strict and humorless and punishing.
Ashley
The Nazi impulses so, like, that's they.
Anna
Can'T eradicate in their blood.
Ashley
And I mean, they're just such losers. Lost two world wars now worst country in Europe, probably.
Anna
It's like, crazy how that's just like the national character and that girl, the CEO, she's like a classic, like Internet users. She's like an Aryan shield maiden with, like, long blonde hair and piercing A10s. I thought she was actually quite beautiful, but had like a tight, bitter mouth.
Ashley
I don't like that. You know, they did a protest in France also where chicks show their tits. Really?
Anna
Another one, Another one. Must be nice.
Ashley
I'm like, okay. I'm like, it is fun to see their tits. It is all the different kinds. And you're like, oh, you know.
Anna
Yeah, it's true.
Ashley
Yeah, but it's so pathological on their end to like, have the look of.
Anna
Like, just like vindication, aggrieved frenzy. Like, can't you just bounce on a trampoline or, like, mud wrestling or something?
Ashley
Stupid pop store or sell a coin and then you can post pictures of your tits and make money without the.
Anna
Weird, like, moral, political baggage. Yeah, you.
Ashley
And then that anchor lady on Face the Nation was talking to Marco Rubio, and she said that free speech was weaponized to conduct a genocide.
Anna
Against whom?
Ashley
That's what she thinks happened in Germany in World War II.
Anna
That it was free speech that that led to.
Ashley
Yeah. And Rubio, Reebok, he said there was not. There was no free speech speech in Germany. They had an authoritarian dictator. And that's not what. That's not what happened.
Anna
Yeah, it's so funny because, like, literally, like, a hundred years ago, this girl would have been Hitler's mistress, and now she's like, throwing people in jail for making Hitler jokes and she doesn't even know it. It's like totally subconscious.
Ashley
She's. What do you call him? Like a foot soldier.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Of the regime, you know, it doesn't matter what the. Where she gets her power, as long as she gets to be. As long as she gets to wield it.
Anna
But she had this, like, formidable aura. It was like the Vaseline lens, early Leni Riefenstahl, kind of glowing halo around her, the blonde halo or whatever they call it. And it's like. Yeah. Like in the 1930s, she would have been competing with Leni Riefenstahl and like Marlene Dietrich for roles.
Ashley
She looks like the rad fem Hitler. Avi. Like hyperborean.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Alien.
Anna
Like hyperbole. Alpine witch. Yeah. And they're. They're basically. Yeah. Like, out there conducting police raids on people who post racist memes, like, confiscating their phones, laptops, etc.
Ashley
That's crazy.
Anna
Racist right wing. Kirok Issa on Twitter.
Ashley
Huh?
Anna
I really love that girl's Twitter because she's like, super hot and like a female gooner, but also is, like, emerging as a really powerful commentator on the ills of immigration in Europe. I came for her Aryan beauty and stayed for the immigration takes. And she was pointing out that they specifically crack down on humor.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
Like, they're policing memes.
Ashley
Right. Like, they. I mean, I'm sure they have, you know, other things in those files.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
But the memes are the most, like, shocking because it's like. Yeah, it's utilizing the shock value to. That's kind of like part of what meme culture is. Yeah, it's like, shocking. It's always transgressive little picture. At one point, he. There's like, someone posted a picture of like, a chick wearing lingerie with a Nazi armband.
Anna
Yeah. Like, I know we both screeny photograph.
Ashley
And he's like, pointing to the swastika armband and I'm like, this was like standard fare on Tumblr.
Anna
I know.
Ashley
Like 10 years ago, 15 years ago, people were posting like, you know, Balkan war fascist.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Like, but with a little sex. Like. And like, you guys don't have stuff like this at Berghain.
Anna
I know, I know. But that's the other big irony, because they'll, like, go to a sex club and get pissed on by random strangers, but then, like, arrest and execute people for shitposting.
Ashley
They're so sick, dude.
Anna
And it does have, like. Yeah, like an underlying psychosexual frison to it. Like, there's some like, erotic jouissance in, like, nabbing weird, random losers. And I'm sure for shitposting. And I'm sure like some of their archive of like wrong think does have like serious crimes in it. Like there are probably like fringe radical, racist right wing groups.
Ashley
Well, they cite this guy, Walter Lupka, who was assassinated and he. A clip of him went viral where he was pro immigration basically. And so then the. When they're talking to the trio of like born bureaucrats.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
They are explaining how he was like harassed for years and then. Yeah, assassinated. But I, I was a little. I. It's, you know, if four years went by of like popular sentiment being really against this guy. It's not really like the Internet thought crimes that are like led to it.
Anna
Yeah. I would even say that like shit posting and memes are literally a pressure valve that prevent people from allowing it to spill over into real violence.
Ashley
Totally. And of course there will always be, you know, like, I mean, with school shooters now.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
The modern school shooter has you know, a whole dossier of like four chanish activities and like they're gripers and stuff. But that's just like a feature of modernity and for the most part. Yeah, like the ship hosting is productive. I mean the Germans should really know about since they love it and they understand the. You know, maybe they don't. That like shit posting is something that needs to be like expelled from the body. The mind muck around like it's waste and it has to go somewhere. You can't like save it up.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And then let it out at like a diarrhea orgy or whatever. But I. Maybe you can. I don't know. I'm not German, I'm not Germanic. I hate them.
Anna
I have a soft spot for them because I think their sense of humor does exist and it's somewhat underrated, it's a little dry. But they all have that like Philip Seymour Hoffman as every character he ever played. Like tight little laugh.
Ashley
Or like.
Anna
Oh, I'm sure that they have some minor percentage of people that are on their watch lists and monitored by their task forces that are like actually like dangerous radical right wing terrorists. But it's like the MeToo thing of like inflating the meaning of sex crime to mean like anything under the sun because it really erodes the credibility of their concerns.
Ashley
Yeah. And seems like a massive waste.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Of time and resources.
Anna
I know, I know. But I really like kind of clear pilled on myself on this. Not even recently, like years ago because I was like, oh, like whenever you see bureaucratic waste that is a livelihood for someone. It's essential for someone.
Ashley
I mean, I've been, you know, I'm. I'm trying to stop construction on this high rise that I've mentioned on the show before. Fully doxed myself. Now I don't even care because I think raising awareness about this high rise is more important.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And I went to, like, a community board meeting where, like, low level politicians, like, so many gay, weird gay guys. It's like disgruntled neighbors of mine who, you know, have grievances, who, like, you know, wanna. A lot of them are older, so they have time to be, like, involved in local politics and stuff. But then all of the, like, government staffers are like, gay guys in, like, short pants who, like, come up and say, like, congressman blah, blah, blah, is, like, working really hard. And like, some old person is like, he's on Twitter too much. They just want their, like, concerns to be heard. And then they get the run around from the Department of Buildings, who I was call almost every day and file complaints. Get an email back that says, oh, actually send this to this email. I do that. Like, I'm. People who go to community board meetings are, like, at the end of their rope.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
They.
Anna
They also. They don't have Lyme disease.
Ashley
They don't have anything left to lose. Like, they are. I like, I was like, I have to do something. I can't. Just the noise. I'm sleep deprived.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
I'm manic. I'm PMSing. I love my building, which is a historic landmark, by the way. Yeah, well.
Anna
Yeah. Nothing gets you more involved in politics than when politics. Finally.
Ashley
I know, I start to. Yeah. I'm like, I need to enact change. I need to. I need to, like, run for.
Anna
City council.
Ashley
I need to. I need some kind of position. Like, I need.
Anna
I was wondering recently why gay guys are so attracted to politics. Because you would think that it would be, like, the last thing they'd be interested in. Because it's, like, boring, it's inefficient, it's unaesthetic. There's really nothing there for gay guys. But, like, actually, boy, was I wrong. Because the thing that gay guys love more than aesthetics and partying is being sinister court eunuchs who spread gossip and ruin other people's lives. And Paul, politics is perfect for that.
Ashley
There are a lot of sinister homosexuals in politics. And especially since the AIDS epidemic, you know.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
I kind of weeded out a lot of the transgression in the. The cool. Was it Fran Lebowitz who said the best Gay people died. So now we have these kind of like. Yeah, like boot looking corporate gays who.
Anna
Yeah, because.
Ashley
Yeah, it's not. It's not glamorous. You're in some, like, shitty building. The WI fi doesn't work. Or, you know.
Anna
You'Re drinking like, Dasani water.
Ashley
Not even. There's no water. You're like, listening to a lady who like, works for the mayor on a zoom call and it's like glitching. And you're trying to like, understand. Stan. I forget why, how, why I segued into that. Oh, just bureaucracy. Just. Yeah, I'm getting the run around. I can't. I'm not Achie. Like, my complaints aren't being heard right. By bureaucrats who are like, passing the buck, bucking me over. You know, I look, you know, they go. They say they're checking the inspection. The. I'm not gonna get into it. Let's just say it's not a safe work site. And there's a lot of like, hypocrisy and lies and corruption that.
Anna
And the Jews are to blame.
Ashley
Well, the architect is Israeli and he tried to build another. So this building, there's an emp. There's a, like a crack house next to my apartment that they tore down. Then it was an empty lot for a while. It's 47ft wide. And he wants to build a skyscraper that's like 500ft tall.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
That's going to tower over the Nigerian embassy. It's going to be a big, huge, like, pencil dick, tiny, skinny tower. It's so stupid. And he tried to do the same thing on 8th Avenue. He tried to build something called the Torch that was gonna have like an. A roller coaster. And like, architects are so stupid. They like, make their little doodles and then ruin people's lives. And observatory deck, whatever. And then.
Anna
And they don't actually build anything.
Ashley
No.
Anna
And then everything they build is a godless, like, design by committee, inhumane monstrosity boxes.
Ashley
They build pods for you to live in.
Anna
Airport terminals. Yeah, it's. It's so horrible.
Ashley
And they.
Anna
It's easy to hate journalists, but do you have the courage to hate architects?
Ashley
Pivoting. It's just the dumbest idea. It's not. It's.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Anyway. Yeah, the last year they like, stopped construction on the Torch and now it's just like they. An empty lot.
Anna
And it's gonna stay that way for a really long time, but with like, lots of like, drilling and construction that'll like, drive everybod. Nobody mad.
Ashley
I feel like the joker. I'm, like, going nuts.
Anna
The dasha runs for city office park.
Ashley
No, no, I don't want to. I want to be a day trader.
Anna
I know.
Ashley
But Aaron Chen has other plans.
Anna
Wait, who's Aaron Chan name? Why does he have a Chinese name?
Ashley
One. I don't know. One of those things. His grandparents. He's from Israel. His grandparents are Holocaust survivors. But I'm willing to bet money, thank God I'm not in Germany that they left. They weren't in a concentration camp. You're not the way Israelis throw around Holocaust.
Anna
Yeah, it's like a curb episode.
Ashley
It's like, am I a Holocaust survivor because I was in Belarus?
Anna
Yeah. Because technically, you know, everyone who's alive today is a Holocaust survivor.
Ashley
Survived the Holocaust, and they steered. Stealing Holocaust valor.
Anna
Yeah. To say that everyone whose genetic line persevered throughout that era, they probably.
Ashley
They're Zionists. They've probably been in Israel before. Long before World War II.
Anna
Did you see that story? I think it was out of Florida, about the Ashkenazi Jew who stabbed two Mizrahi Jews in the street and sent them to the hospital. They both survived because he thought they were Palestinians.
Ashley
No, wait, where?
Anna
It was, like, all over Twitter. It's.
Ashley
So where did this happen?
Anna
Somewhere in Miami, I think. Yeah, I'm not 100% sure. We need some fact checkers. We need, like, a hate. A Type. Org to confirm or deny my claims. But that was so funny because it was literally, like, a perfect, like, nutshell description of the conflict itself. Like, no analogy or metaphor needed. Just sand tribes going head to head. They're all kind of genetically similar. We're all forced to care about it. Oh, yeah. What I. What I wanted to say was that.
Ashley
Yeah, like, hold on one second. Yeah, I'm gonna. I think my vapes in my coat.
Anna
No, no.
Ashley
I'll be right back. But don't forget what you were gonna say. I'm back.
Anna
That was quick. I really always do feel like such a kids in the hall hooker when we record the podcast. Because it's just, like, us, like, standing on a corner freezing. The conditions aren't good. It's uncomfortable. There's too much clutter. Yeah. What I wanted to say was that this is, like, all happening against a backdrop of, like, rising crime rates in Europe because of unchecked unlimited immigration.
Ashley
Well, yeah.
Anna
And, yeah, it's a problem that the German authority specifically, but European authorities in general refuse to do anything about. And, like, we joke about making Hitler jokes and how it'll like land you in jail or whatever. But I think the reason that organizations like Hate Aid, which we're just learning about prosper, is, has less to do with the shameful legacy of like Hitler and Nazism and has more to do with a desire on the part of the so called elites and their bureaucrats to kind of curb or repress organic anger and frustration over these immigration policies. It's not really about swastikas.
Ashley
Nope.
Anna
And Hitler memes. Yeah, it's about like anti Islamic sentiment.
Ashley
Boris Pistorius.
Anna
Who's that?
Ashley
He's the, he's the Minister of defense in Germany. And when Vance spoke in Munich about basically that it was the EU that was a threat to democratic values, he was like, this is unacceptable.
Anna
Was he the guy who cried?
Ashley
No, that was a different guy. But he didn't really cry because of Vance. He is. That's a little bit of misinformation.
Anna
Good to know because I was, I.
Ashley
Was like what was I crying about? But he, it was like his last day as chair of Chancellor or something.
Anna
Okay. So he was having. Oh that. Because I was wondering why they. Everybody embraced him so heartily.
Ashley
Yeah, it's because he was like imminently resigning or something. But yeah, Boris Pistorius was pissed or he is a lot of people. Nominal determinism strikes again. And he does look, he's like, oh my God. Yeah, of course this guy is pissed.
Anna
Boring, pissed off person. But yeah, like everybody like understandably focuses on the fact that all, not all, but most of the immigrants coming into Europe are from mostly non western Muslim countries with more or less incompatible values who refuse to assimilate. But I feel like a thing that people don't focus on as much is obviously that also the majority of them are young men. So these guys are like alone and unmoored in a foreign land. They're angry, they're angsty, they're horny.
Ashley
They.
Anna
Have their own networks of like uber eats delivery and low level crime. And of course it's going to bubble over into violence.
Ashley
Why is it men?
Anna
I don't know. That's a good question. I actually like. Because the, the stated rationale for the immigration is that there are refugees seeking amnesty, but obviously these are young able bod males in search of economic opportunity.
Ashley
Right. If that of the former was the case, wouldn't women and children be prioritized?
Anna
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there was.
Ashley
It just defies logic. And I know it's cuz like Soros is doing it for some reason, but I can't under. I don't understand why.
Anna
Yeah. And some, you know, they're. They come to the west and they're surrounded by women and girls who, you know, move about freely and talk openly and are dressed more suggestively than they're used to. They covet and desire them, but they don't respect them.
Ashley
They can't handle Addison Rae.
Anna
Yeah. So they don't have.
Ashley
They don't have stuff like that over there. They come to this country where Addison Rae is out there. Yeah.
Anna
Like, showing her midsection and inner thighs, and they're, like, confused and bewildered and driven to violence.
Ashley
She's so sexy.
Anna
I know.
Ashley
I literally had, like. I was like, if I. I'm not Bisex, you know, I'm not, but I look, I was like, imagine having sex with her, you know? Imagine being a guy and having sex with her.
Anna
She'd be all, like, funny and squirrely and, like, flashy.
Ashley
So flexible and cool. Cool and sexy. Like, just dope. Like, oh, yeah. If I woke up as a man, I would try.
Anna
I would go on a try with Addison Ray.
Ashley
I would try my hardest. I would become a crypto millionaire.
Anna
So you could woo Addison Ray.
Ashley
I would buy X.
Anna
To make Addison Rae your next baby mama.
Ashley
I would do anything for her.
Anna
I would probably take the opposite tack and become, like, a sinister, Jewish Olivier Zahm figure who scooped up the hottest black girls.
Ashley
That's a good. That's a good path.
Anna
Just girls who are shaped like ants from the movie Ants. Like, they're all. They have, like, a huge ass, but all legs.
Ashley
I mean, I've. I've said before that I would be a. I'd move to Japan and get a nice, beautiful, docile, submissive Japanese wife. And then I could, like, pursue my autistic interest that I'm sure I'd have if I was a man. And that would be, like, you know.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Awesome. But Addison Rae, lately, she's got me thinking, maybe my submissive Japanese wife, maybe there's more to life.
Anna
Just like a hot, wet American summer, joyful slam pig.
Ashley
She's gorgeous.
Anna
Yeah, she's really cute. We love Addison Rae. I love Addison Rae and her overexposed midsection. I love all, like, the paparazzi shots of her, like, filling the tank in LA wearing, like, some totally incomprehensible outfit.
Ashley
Well, she's doing. Yeah. Kind of like. She's referencing Britney Spears a lot.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
In her new music video as well. She's like. But in a way that is, I. I find to be fresh.
Anna
Good name.
Ashley
Yeah. Awesome. Great. In Thanksgiving, the Eli Roth movie.
Anna
That's the severed head. Tim Dillon one.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
I should know this about my husband.
Ashley
Yeah. Maybe he could introduce us to Addison Rae.
Anna
Come on the pod. Addison Rae, take a break from hanging out with the dare.
Ashley
Come chill with us.
Anna
Come chill with us in my weird, cluttered office that reeks of cigarette smoke.
Ashley
It's your live workspace.
Anna
What was I laughing about?
Ashley
Sorry, I.
Anna
No, it's fine. I don't care.
Ashley
The migrants and. Oh, yeah, Western women.
Anna
Someone was saying on X the other day that, like, feminists are suspicious, are suspiciously silent about the sex crimes being brought to Western Europe through Third World migration. Given the huge number of feminists throughout academia, media, politics, it's surprising that so little is heard about this. That's not entirely true. They do make a big fuss about, like, rape culture and sex crime, but they do it by kind of condemning men in general and making it a problem of the patriarchy. They're completely blind, obviously, to, like, the cultural or ethnic angle because it doesn't gel with the idea of the progressive stack or whatever.
Ashley
And reality.
Anna
Yeah, someone's doing the raping. They. Yeah, they, like, refuse to acknowledge that it's a culturally bound phenomenon. Somebody else made a good point. The crazy thing is that it's doubly anti women. It's anti Western women because of the increased risk of sexual assault. It's anti non Western women because the asylum system mainly aids men, not women.
Ashley
Why?
Anna
Yeah, that's a good question. Maybe somebody can answer it.
Ashley
I mean, is it like, I'm the ask. I mean, in good faith. Like, is it like a breadwinner kind of thing?
Anna
Yeah, I mean, maybe the presumption is that they're sending money back.
Ashley
Like, my dad came here first.
Anna
Right. Minded, too. Yeah.
Ashley
And. But I don't know.
Anna
I mean, they do come from cultures where women just have less opportunity and mobility.
Ashley
I know, but if we're. What's all the usaid, you know, like, I thought we were supposed to. If, like, the goal of all this, like, globalized policy, immigration policy, is under the guise of, like, aiding refugees.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Then shouldn't these, like, NGOs quote end in quotes? Like, shouldn't they be allocating resources to helping vulnerable people?
Anna
Yeah. Right.
Ashley
Instead of, like, dangerous people.
Anna
Yeah. No, that's a good question that I cannot answer on this podcast.
Ashley
Yeah, I don't. Beautiful.
Anna
But, yeah, I was gonna say something bad, but I won't. But, yeah, no, it's not just sex crime, because last week that there was that motor attack in Munich where like a 24 year old Afghan asylum seeker slammed his car into a trade union demonstration and killed a 37 year old mother and her 2 year old daughter. And then immediately after there was like another Islamist attack, this time a stabbing in Austria where another 20something Afghan asylum seeker killed a 14 year old boy.
Ashley
What the hell?
Anna
And like I said, I'm not surprised that these like young Muslim men who are coming to the west are literally having schizophrenic breaks when they touch down from the culture clash. But yeah, like, I think J.D. vance even referenced it in his Munich remarks.
Ashley
Yeah, that's what Boris Pistorius is pissed about.
Anna
Yeah. And it like, that kind of spurred all sorts of like teary condemnations and disapproving glances. I thought that he, I mean, I love J.D. vance because he's so like rizless and he constantly flubs his lines and like doesn't know how to read off the teleprompter yet, which is very relatable. And he does this thing where he'll like recount an anecdote that he could just turn into a joke, but he'll be like, yeah, so I met this commissioner backstage and I made a joke to him about how when we were here last time we had different jobs, which is like A, not funny and B, only a point of curiosity for him.
Ashley
He could streamline that.
Anna
Yeah. And just make the joke.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
But I thought it was really good how he kind of pivoted and was like, when we talk about security, typically we're worried about external threats coming from countries like Russia and China. But this time I want to talk to you about the threat from within, how Europe has retreated from our common values.
Ashley
That was good, no?
Anna
Yeah, Powerful.
Ashley
Well done. The poster on point, as you pointed out. Yeah. He's an elder millennial and it's. That's just his truth.
Anna
He said everything from Ukraine policy to digital censorship is built as a defense of democracy, and it's done in the name of our shared democratic values. And like, I think that the reason that the reaction was so strong and so negative was because they know that if they allowed actual democracy to flourish in the sense of letting people or making people feel comfortable to express their honest political opinions, it would not yield the results they wanted because it would be a bunch of people being like, hey guys, this has gone too far, let's reel it in.
Ashley
Well, he's also said almost one in five people living in this country moved here from abroad. That is of course, an all time high. It's A similar number by the way, in the United States, also an all time high. And we know the situation isn't materialized out of a vacuum. It is the result of a series of conscious decisions made by politicians all over the country, continent and others across the world over a span of a decade. We saw the horror wrought yesterday by these decisions in this very city. He said, referring to the attack. How many times must we suffer these appalling setbacks before we change course and take our shared civilization in a new direction?
Anna
Yeah, and he's like, he's right about that. Which people will accuse him of like racial dog whistling. But it needn't be a racial issue at all.
Ashley
And he's not, it's not, doesn't even, it's not even a dog whistle. He said agree or disagree, they voted for it. And more and more all over Europe they're voting for political leaders who promise an end to out of control immigration.
Anna
Well, yeah, all these like NGO operatics want to make you think that the kind of right wing wave is due to an excess of freedom. Which is like the spookiest phrase I've ever heard.
Ashley
Yeah. The Holocaust was called caused by weaponized free speech. The. Because that Hitler rose to power because of free speech. And this is like a, you know, adult, like, you know, this isn't like a teenager on TikTok. This is like an adult person. Yeah.
Anna
And it's like a two pronged thing because people are angry and frustrated from watching their communities change rapidly and become unrecognizable. Feeling like they're like strangers in their own country. But also they're, it's like insult to injury. They're insulted by the fact that the politicians and the bureaucrats keep lying and gaslighting them in Germany.
Ashley
I almost feel like they're not. They believe it.
Anna
Yeah, you do get that impression a little bit.
Ashley
Like I don't think they're cynical.
Anna
Yeah, that's true.
Ashley
I think they have like a totally earnest again very like Nazi esque temperament that's is reflected in their culture.
Anna
Yeah, that's true.
Ashley
You know, and they've got the, the massive guilt trip of World War II and stuff. And so they're totally like beholden to Zog.
Anna
But in like a weirdly authoritarian and frankly kind of Nazi way.
Ashley
Yeah, they, the real Nazis. The guy pointing to a picture of a swastika armband.
Anna
I know.
Ashley
Woman wearing lingerie that someone posted online that he printed out and put in a folder. That's something a Nazi.
Anna
It's like an art House fashion shoot. But, yeah, obviously, like, the proliferation of, like, racist memes and racist language will continue until morale improves. It'll get worse.
Ashley
I mean, I did the. I was like, I am a free speech absolutist, just like Glenn Greenwald. We're Twiddhams in that way. But, like, the devil's advocate. Right. Like, the case to be made that, like, we need a standard or, like, a boundary of civility in which real. Like that. That's a more meaningful kind of, like, freedom of speech.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Because. Right. People aren't, like, scared by the most aggressive and threatening voices.
Anna
Yeah. Because we have shared cultural norms and values that express themselves in the form of a social contract and we all agree to adhere to it. But that's not possible when it's like that Solzhenitsyn quote, the David Sachs retweeted that, like, when you know they're lying to you and they know they're lying to you, it's like, you know, when you're politicians and, and their appointed apparatus and, like, the NGO system are repressing your natural inclinations. Of course this is going to continue to mushroom. And I would even make the case that, like, memes and shitposting, again, are a pressure valve for the darker, more sinister energies that are eventually going to bubble over. And when they do, all these, like, libtard Globo homo people are going to say, oh, well, that's because, again, we've, like, open, like, turn the faucet and let too much free speech escape.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
Which I don't know how to. I don't even have a good answer for how to combat that. Because you can't reason with people.
Ashley
Yeah. I mean.
Anna
It'S like I've. I've been trying to get an answer out of Matt Iglesias for days, weeks now about, like, why. Why are you so up in arms about people?
Ashley
What did he say?
Anna
He, quote, tweeted. No, he didn't quote tweet. He screen capped a. A tweet from Amy Therese where she was like, I don't give a. About Africans. Why should I care about Africans? I don't have anything to do with them. And it was like, you know, her typical hyperbolic manic shit posting that she does. It was like, on its face, an inflammatory and offensive comment designed to get exactly that reaction. But why not have it out with her? Why screen cap it versus, quote, tweet it?
Ashley
Why not insult her in person?
Anna
Yeah. And why? Because you want there to be, like, a time delay between when you make the post. And when she catches on and you don't want to give her the opportunity to defend herself. And I'm not.
Ashley
I'm not fair to prey on Amy Therese.
Anna
Well, take her out of the equation even. It could be like anybody making like an ostensibly like racist, insensitive post.
Ashley
I mean, here's the thing about like a non activity is that it should be allowed. It will be a prep. Like I agree that there is a kind of like pressure valve where people are allowed to anonymously, you know, make declarations or jokes. I think that's okay and should be allowed.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
But then you can't. If you're gonna post anonymously, then you're. We there has the part of the social contract is like that we don't give as much credence.
Anna
Right.
Ashley
To your opinion because you haven't like co. Signed it with your identity.
Anna
Right.
Ashley
But that's irrelevant to the Amy.
Anna
Yeah. She's not even a nod. She's like out in the open. But I find one of those practices to be more shameful and harmful than the other. I think like saying mean and unpleasant and unflattering things is obviously an invitation to be piled on like you're literally kicking the hornet's nest. But there is something like additionally cowardly and undignified about sticking mobs on people at a delay. And it's emotional warfare and nobody seems to want to admit that's what it is. But in recent times, in part thanks to the efforts of JD Vans, I think like a critical mass of people is coming around to that fact. Or they knew all along, but felt uncomfortable to say it, that this is like emotional terrorism and it was rejected at the ballot box and we won't stand for it.
Ashley
And yeah, no one likes snitches.
Anna
Yeah. I think like snitching doxing. That's much more disfavorable than saying something unkind.
Ashley
Yeah. Like reprehensible. I combined reference into. Yeah, the worst thing. Show me the worst post. Yeah, show me the worst meme that they have in a folder in Germany. And it's still not as bad as.
Anna
Yeah, it pales in comparison to anything Matt Iglesias has posted.
Ashley
Mm.
Anna
Because he's deceitful and subversive.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
And won't ever answer for himself.
Ashley
So Soviet.
Anna
And like, he also. It's not like he cares about Africans any more than anybody else on X. He doesn't give a. Has he personally donated to African charities? Has he adopted an African child?
Ashley
I mean. Yeah, it's true. It's Saffy. It's a big world out there.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And Africa is not really my beat, but maybe one day it could be.
Anna
And I don't know where he lives. I'm not gonna dox him but like I bet he lives in a nice neighborhood with a good school system, far away from poor people of color.
Ashley
Probably. I take that bet.
Anna
Yeah. The casino, the crypto casino.
Ashley
Should we mention Malay?
Anna
Yeah. What's up with him? He was also shilling a meme coin.
Ashley
He the same exact thing that happened to me is he like didn't really understand what was going on. He was given. I was sent. Okay, so he tweeted on Valentine's Day.
Anna
Just like Ashley Sinclair.
Ashley
Just like Ashley Sinclair promoting this meme coin Libra that I actually was sent some of in my crypto scandal which I traded for dasha coins.
Anna
Smart.
Ashley
Like on February like a week before I was like, libra coin.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And Riley's a Libra. I love that. Love him. You know.
Anna
But I was like, is Malaya Libra?
Ashley
It's. There's a bunch of. It's. There's. I got some. Someone sent me some Pisces coin too.
Anna
It's the 22nd of October. Yeah, that sounds about right.
Ashley
It's some Astro fault. It's called Astro folio. Taps into current cultural trends by referencing memes and popular. It's a total rug full scam ass coin called library. That was like there's the scales. It had some like Libra, liberte Argentinian. Like there was some like logic.
Anna
But is it his like proprietary coin?
Ashley
Absolutely not. No. It's a coin made by something called Astro file. After he posted the coin crashed because everyone pulled their. The major shareholders pulled their money out. Hawk two of me, Dave Portnoy. And yeah, now he's like, you know I don't think he'll get impeached.
Anna
No.
Ashley
But yeah, there's going to be like some law fair because it is. It's such a psychotically corrupt and crazy thing for like the president, politicians. The president of a country I know to do. But I don't think it like I don't think it was the scale of the people. Like I'm sure people lost money but like people are know what is going like I know. If you know how to buy a meme coin.
Anna
I know, I know. I hate this like myth that like that you're like bamboozling and swindling and scamming people because it's like everybody who trades crypto knows what's up they're trying.
Ashley
To bamboozle the person who buys it after them so that they can rug pull them.
Anna
Yeah. No one in crypto is an innocent, naive, small bean, little victim.
Ashley
It's really. The trenches really are. It's a really dark.
Anna
The market will humble you. As Allison kept telling me. Yeah. I was, like, on my high horse. Like, I'm gonna take a break from shilling my coin to own some libs. But really, it was a sneaky strategy to get more attention.
Ashley
Now you're thinking while pretending.
Anna
While pretending that I was, like, an honest and principled person.
Ashley
I'm. I'm gonna give up trading for Lent. I think I have to. It's obviously gambling is not inherently sinful, but it's not, like, spiritually edifying. And it's not about this. This earth and the profits I can make on the blockchain.
Anna
Yeah. You got to be about profits, not profits.
Ashley
Exactly.
Anna
I had no idea what you were talking about on the episode where we talked about your coin and I begged and pleaded for someone to make me one, and I was like.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
When you were talking about how it was evil and sinful, I was like, oh, it seems like, you know, maybe, like, not the most noble, but, like, overall, like, normal way of trying to make some, like, scroll for yourself. But after I started doing it, I was like, oh, this feels bad.
Ashley
Yeah. It feels so dark, and it's low class, you know?
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
But we don't care. I'll keep showing that garbage.
Anna
I know. And they're like, now you have to post a selfie or start a feud with someone, and it just doesn't work that way. Not even for moral reasons. But you should only do those things if you feel so inclined.
Ashley
Well, we also just don't under. People keep telling me that I'm, you know, being manipulated and that, like, because I don't, though. I've learned. I've learned a lot and fast, but not really the fundamentals. And once again, I struggle with, like, the numbers in general.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
For kind of dyslexia or something. It's just not. Yeah. I'm not going to be, you know, so. But my thinking is, like, even if I told. Get totally exploited, you know, bottom out coin destroyed my reputation, then I'm the victim.
Anna
I know. Exactly. That might be the best outcome.
Ashley
And you can't put a price on.
Anna
Because then you can really be like Ashley St. Clair and take to Twitter and cry about how you were, like, exploited.
Ashley
Maybe people start feeling bad, objectified. Yeah. But no, I'm holding You know, I'm holding the coin. I don't have a choice. After Malay's little, you know, stunned salon is down. Market's in a bad place. I. I'm bullish. I think it has longevity, but it is like, you know, the ups and downs are not good, I think. And you have to have a lot of, like, fortitude.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And guard against, like, you just have to ignore it.
Anna
Demons of greed. Yeah.
Ashley
You know, you can't. You can't be greedy. You can't. If you're not that smart, you can't be greedy.
Anna
Right. That's a good life lesson in general.
Ashley
So you have to just kind of, like, you know, operate with some modicum of, like, humility and grace.
Anna
Yeah. Which is hard to do for most people, especially for those who are not that smart but exceptionally greedy. Those two things seem correlated.
Ashley
Right. Should we talk about Ashley's? Sure.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Our calendar girl. Remember that?
Anna
No, no, she did, like, a Pirelli calendar for conservators or something.
Ashley
We talked about it on the show.
Anna
Oh. Because it was that redhead Rep. Republican.
Ashley
Lady, Conservative dads, Real Women of America calendar. And she was the April girl and she got in a bathtub in a bra and a pearl necklace and. Author and conservative media personality. This picture doesn't even have a Wikipedia.
Anna
I know. I tried to look her up because I wanted to get some data and her, like, her childhood and life and stuff. Yeah.
Ashley
What her name was before. She obviously changed it.
Anna
Yeah. Because everybody was saying, oh, like, Ashley St. Clair is Jewish. That means like, two out of four of. No, three out of four of Elon's baby mamas are Jewish and blah, blah, blah. And I was like, St. Clara. That doesn't sound Jewish. But I guess she's been married before. Yeah. There's no way.
Ashley
And she's not. Yeah. She wrote. She used to write for the Babylon. Be one of the unfunniest publications and has been. Her age is also disputed.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
She might be in her 30s. Some outlets say she's in. She's 26.
Anna
Yeah. She's like Salome. She may or may not be 26. She's the Taylor Lorenz of the right. Her provenance is unknown.
Ashley
And, yeah, she wrote a children's book, which makes you an author, I guess.
Anna
And much like Glenn Greenwald, she's supposedly a Jew from Florida who grew up poor. That's what she claims. I don't know. So she is Jewish, apparently. I don't know. And she announced on Valentine's Day that she had a baby and that Elon Musk was the father. Five months ago I welcomed a new baby into the world. Elon Musk is the father. I have not previously disclosed this to protect our child's privacy and safety. But in recent days it has become clear that tabloid media intends to do so regardless of the harm it will cause. I intend to allow our child to grow up in a normal and safe environment. For that reason, I ask that the media honor our child's privacy and refrain from invasive recording. There are so many red flags and so much to unpack. She first of all she did it on Twitter but with like a Pre choreographed image versus a normal tweet. First red flag @ the bottom. It includes the name and email of her publicist. Red flag number two.
Ashley
Right.
Anna
Brian glicklitch.
Ashley
She went on to do a photo shoot and give an exclusive interview to the New York Post.
Anna
Yeah. Where she was wearing like a Lauren Sanchez blazer over a bustier like dark Lauren Sanchez outfit and was showing feet.
Ashley
She showed the soles of her feet, arches and everything that's.
Anna
People come on in her like expensive yet weirdly depressing New York apartment that apparently Elon Musk pays for.
Ashley
That's what I wasn't clear about. It's because she claimed that he isolated her during her pregnancy.
Anna
Yeah. He pays for her apartment and put.
Ashley
Her up in this apartment. But is that still the apartment she currently lives in?
Anna
I'm assuming.
Ashley
And she said also. So. Yeah. So she did this photo shoot. An interview with the Post.
Anna
Women love doing photo shoots.
Ashley
I know where she let me find it.
Anna
While you're doing that, I. I'm going to read the bio of her publicist. He's the CEO of Digital Strategy Ltd. An expert authority and regular broadcast and print commentator on crisis and strategic communications management. Digital Strategy is a Las Vegas and Los Angeles based bespoke consultancy and high impact strategic and crisis communications. Apparently he has some shadowy Israeli ties. Like they paid him half a million dollars.
Ashley
Okay.
Anna
For to do damage control on some or other crisis. She claimed she did it because the media was threatening to dox her baby. So she was merely trying to get ahead of the controversy and take control of the narrative. And yeah, I'm sorry. Nick Fuentes is a hundred percent right.
Ashley
Yeah. No one's gonna dox. Okay so. Okay. So this is, this is pertinent so to the in the New York Post she said it's very hard to understand state how much I'm processing right now. I am sad that my hand was forced by the media to do this now. But there is also a sense of relief because I've been forced to live in secrecy for almost a year of my life. Almost every relationship of my life would be bastardized and disingenuous because I couldn't tell them what was going on. My son has never taken a walk outside. In five months. I have never been able to take my baby for a walk. I was terrified that someone would see I had a baby and it would get out that level of dilute.
Anna
Like, I know.
Ashley
Do you think people are gonna be like, is that Ashley Sinclair with Elon Musk's baby? Even with. Is that like, wait, doesn't she have a one child who's older? Why does she have a young baby? Famous right wing influencer Ashley Sinclair who doesn't even have a Wikipedia. We're gonna see her in the street with a baby and that's gonna. That's like Jussie Smollet.
Anna
I know. You're acting like you're Amrata. There's like paparazzi snapping pics of you.
Ashley
You're crazy. You behave. Yeah, the feet. And then also with the chessboard, which.
Anna
Was apparently incorrectly set up. Yeah, like, she thinks she's playing 40 chess, but she's actually getting played. It's perfect symbolism.
Ashley
Even know how to set up the board.
Anna
Or even worse, the people who like, like, organize the photo shoot really did her dirty.
Ashley
They probably don't know how to set up.
Anna
No, nobody does.
Ashley
But, yeah, it's clear she does not have a chessboard.
Anna
So, like, you know, I'm the hugest moral when it comes to kids. But, like, if you want to take your baby for a walk, just throw a blanket over the stroller. No one's gonna, like, peer into it.
Ashley
Well, even seeing her with a stroller, I guess, was. Is what she's implying. She's implying that, that if she was spotted.
Anna
Yeah. With a baby because so famous.
Ashley
And the rumors would fly and then it would come out and the media's prying and blah, blah.
Anna
Yeah. But when you first hear this, when you first hear her rationale, you're like, yeah, that's so awful. You got this girl. You do. You like, do what you have to do. But then you're like, wait a minute, doxing a baby. Like, what are they doing? And it's not like the baby has like a house or a career or a digital footprint. It's like playing and drooling in a bassinet. And like, you know, Fuente had that line about how, like, the baby is like, an anon who runs Libs of TikTok. Like what do you mean doxing the baby there? It's as he pointed out, it's like this is understandably an item of interest for the media and they will understandably want to report on the fact that two prominent people conceived a child together. They're not doxing the baby. It doesn't add up.
Ashley
No. And no one's like in. When you have a real publicist and you're spotted with. With Louis CK in the Village and someone writes about it on Dumois.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And then tabloids try to reach out to report on it.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Then your publicist just doesn't say anything. Right. And then the story ends up circulating on these like shady, you know, news.
Anna
Outlets and because you and have no.
Ashley
Credibility like a non issue.
Anna
It's like letting your meme coin die. You just let it taper out.
Ashley
You don't. It's like plain as day. First of all, you can tell the, the hair color.
Anna
What do you mean?
Ashley
Well, she has black hair right now.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And she was blonde before she was very. She was very blonde. In the real dad's conservative calendar, there's photos of her with her first pregnancy with more of like a balayage. She's just like it's very BPD and inspires in me mistrust to see like I don't. I. I couldn't even really tell you what Ashley Sinclair really looks like, you know?
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Because there's like she's like if that.
Anna
E girl Audrey Horn was also simultaneously Addison Rae.
Ashley
There's the face. You know, there's like the filtered photographs, the she'll post and the. But the range of hair. Like no one looks good with that much that many different hair colors. She hasn't found her season. She doesn't know like it's just very.
Anna
She doesn't know her kibbe type.
Ashley
It makes her seem really erratic and psycho.
Anna
Yeah. And when she says like I was isolated and alone. Yes. I would believe that there's some truth to that. But what she's really saying is I was robbed of my opportunities for attention and now reclaiming the attention that I was entitled to and like what she's getting.
Ashley
I mean good play I guess, but not really like a good long term strategy.
Anna
No, I know I, I have like so much to say about this. There is some kind of like weird opportunism at play and like I'm the. Like I said, I'm the hugest baby in the world. Not like those weird Dads that you see on Twitter who are, like, shirtlessly holding a surrogate baby. But, like, I'm a champion of truth and justice for children babies. But, like, something about this smells funny. Does not add up. Maybe she was mad that Elon wasn't responding to her. Maybe she felt jilted because he wheeled out the other baby mama, Siobhan Zillis, at that. Like, I don't know what it was. It was like some government function that was heavily photographed and reported on by the media.
Ashley
He brought the Grimes baby. Yeah, The Oval Office.
Anna
Yeah. And like, Siobhan Zillis is obviously, like, the most compliant and least quarrelsome of the baby mamas, other than the first baby mama who's, like, older and more established. You don't really hear anything about her. She's the one who's, like, approved by May Musk. Maybe this is all staged in a cover up for something bigger.
Ashley
It does seem a little distracting.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
You know, and, like, the tabloid flavor of it. And then to see her, like, tweeting at Musk, trying to get. She's like, you and Maddie Iglesia.
Anna
She's, like, trying to.
Ashley
She's like, trying to get him to acknowledge.
Anna
She's like, how come you're not replying to me, but you're replying to that other guy who posted photos of me when I was 15 in my underwear? I don't know if that was fake, but I wouldn't put it past her if it was real.
Ashley
Milo's been on a real rampage.
Anna
I know.
Ashley
Has a lot of information. Like, he's the equivalent to me of, like, the Doxers and, like, online hate task force bureaucrats. It's like, why do you have.
Anna
Why do you care?
Ashley
Why do you have all this, like, you have, like, Facebook posts from along. You have a dossier on this person, like in.
Anna
In a story where everyone's kind of a loser, you come out as the biggest loser and you have nothing to do with it. I don't really get Milo because he's. He's so like.
Ashley
Well, you said it earlier about gay guys who go into politics.
Anna
That's true.
Ashley
You know, that's a particular type.
Anna
That is true.
Ashley
And it's really like a spirituality.
Anna
Yeah, no, I don't. I don't really get it because, you know, like I said, I get very angry on his behalf for how he was canceled, but.
Ashley
Okay.
Anna
But I'm starting to think that it would have happened anyway, no matter what.
Ashley
Because what was he canceled from Breitbart? Like, what did he?
Anna
No, he was. He was canceled very unfairly and opportunistically over his pedophilia remarks.
Ashley
I know.
Anna
And his book was dropped, and he lost a lot of money because there's a lot of evidence that it would have been, like, a bestseller, possibly. And so I get where he's coming from. But on the other hand, like, I don't understand why he intervenes in the follies of other people when the strategy should always be to sit back and undo themselves. Like, why get your hands dirty? What's your psychosexual jihad in all of this?
Ashley
Whole. Gay guys love to be messy.
Anna
Yeah. But it's like, you know, he's. He has considerable intellect.
Ashley
Sure.
Anna
And charisma, and I just want to hit him with, like, that NAACP line. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Ashley
But it's a character issue.
Anna
Yeah. Like, why go out of your way?
Ashley
You can have all the brains, but if you don't have, like, the fortitude. Yeah.
Anna
And there's, like, all this stuff coming out that he's, you know, partly involved in, like, uncovering, like, Ashley St. Clair sorted past as sex laptop and how she was, like, begging for big black.
Ashley
Was that her? I didn't even know who that was, allegedly. Well, he. Right. So he posted a photo of a phone with a tweet On it from 2020, where Ashley Sinclair said, I need to get Elon Musk's attention for a marriage proposal. And some. Greg Price responded, he's got a kid with women already. Seems unlikely to work out. And she said, well, he has seven kids and goes through one pretty fast. Laughing, crying emoji. And that's what Elon Musk responded to. It's just. Whoa. Yeah. And then she said, elon, we have been trying to communicate for the past several days, and you have not responded. When are you going to reply to us? Instead of publicly responding to smears from an individual who just posted photos of me in underwear at 15 years old, it's interesting that Elon is responding to this clearly unjust screenshot that was discussed with his team months ago in a documented call. Now he decides to respond to it publicly from an account that posted underage photos of me as if he wasn't asking me to have more children. Last week. I would like to take this offline for our child's sake. Oh, that's the. The. For. I bet there's not even a baby.
Anna
I know. I know. That's what I was like.
Ashley
Well, that's the other question.
Anna
It's like, did they even have sex?
Ashley
Probably not.
Anna
Is there even a baby? And I have a theory that they probably.
Ashley
I want the doxxed baby. You know what? Now I have.
Anna
Now we're gonna dox the baby.
Ashley
Now I have questions. And I wonder.
Anna
They probably knocked boots a couple of times, but then they conceived the baby.
Ashley
Ivf.
Anna
Ivf. And maybe through a surrogate, who knows.
Ashley
Right. Because she went on triggered.
Anna
Yeah. And yeah, there's a ton of receipts of her, like, untriggered, posing with Vivek.
Ashley
Not living isolation, not looking pregnant.
Anna
Yeah. And, you know, by the way, as a formerly pregnant woman, I will say that it's very easy to conceal a pregnancy pretty much up until the bitter end. Like, maybe eight months. Like that photo of me in the ISIS shirt sitting on the floor drinking the Diet Coke. Eight months pregnant.
Ashley
Amazing.
Anna
Very easy to hide.
Ashley
She's not wearing a baggie, but. Yeah, she's not. She's. That none of. There's. She's not doing a frumpy look.
Anna
No. She's wearing, like, fitted blazers or, like, off the shoulder sweaters or whatever. Yeah. I don't know. It all seems, like, super shady and staged.
Ashley
It's not adding up.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And it does seem like a distraction, potentially. If I really had to put my tinfoil cap on.
Anna
Yeah. Yeah.
Ashley
And I really had to think conspiratorially, I'd be like, oh, they're. Elon's got some other going on. Yeah. And, like, he knows that this is going to, like, be. Because he's obviously, you know, he owns the platform and controls the algorithm that, like.
Anna
And he's, like, forcing his baby mamas to, like, lash out against him on the platform he owns.
Ashley
Who knows? Like, I don't think that's necessarily the case, but I think that he's, like, he's a step ahead.
Anna
Yeah. And, like, I don't, you know, why would anybody ever agree to this arrangement? Like, I understand all the people who are being, like, sympathetic to her or grieved on her behalf, but, like, I don't really buy any of the arguments that have been offered to explain it. Like, the. The ones that I see people giving are like, oh, well, she's gonna be set for life. And, like, think of the gene pool. And it's like, first of all, we. We all know that, like, intelligence in general is heritable, but, like, genius is probably not hereditary since it's a random fluke. And, like, what's the point of having good genes if your life is already ruined by, like, retard squabbling on the Internet before you even gain sentience.
Ashley
Well, Elon doesn't have good genes.
Anna
I mean, sorry to say, they probably have access to some special technology where you can isolate good genes, blah, blah, blah.
Ashley
Well, that's mortally sinful.
Anna
Yeah. And then the financial angle, I don't really understand that either. When they're like, oh, well, she's just getting the bag and setting herself up for life because it doesn't seem like fun or fulfilling to be financially chained to like the world's richest man who, who you don't get along with and who will punish you just because he can. Like, it doesn't seem like a nice, positive, stress free lifestyle to be constantly fighting for your bag. It's almost not worth it.
Ashley
I mean, maybe like, she's more. Maybe she does know how to set up the chessboard and is a little more Machiavellian than we give her credit for. I doubt it. You know, just considering her kind of like flop be career and prospects generally. Like, maybe this was. If she grew up poor, then she's got poverty mindset. Maybe that like when you're precarious, that's like you, that's when you are like, that does seem, your judgment's clouded and that does seem like the best, you know, scenario. Scenario. Just like, okay, I'll get, you know, I'll play ball, whatever.
Anna
I'll.
Ashley
He'll. She'll get child support regardless.
Anna
Yeah. But it's gonna be like eked out like tooth and claw. I don't know. It seems like a miserable existence. And you know, I was thinking like.
Ashley
Oh, like he's probably already given her a handsome like, yeah.
Anna
To like stay silent. Which is, by the way, the thing that she least voluntarily signed up for it. Like sometimes I think like, man going on the computer and like fighting with Matt Iglesias and shilling a meme coin is so undignified. And then I remember that there are like conservatory influencers doing Maury Povich type, like paternity in full view of everyone else on Twitter.
Ashley
It's crazy.
Anna
It's crazy.
Ashley
I know.
Anna
There's like all these conservatives lining up to congratulate her who are normally really like hateful and critical of this stuff.
Ashley
They all have the conservative dad's calendar. They got the maga fake beer. So they've, they've formed an attachment to Ashley Sinclair.
Anna
That's true. They have a parasocial. She should come out with a coin then like to defend her a little. There's all these haters that are mad at her because this isn't trad.
Ashley
Well, she's never.
Anna
They're like, oh, like you have multiple babies out of wedlock with different men. You whore. This is a bad example for normies to emulate. And like I don't care so much about Ashley St. Clair, but like let's be real. Like the normal rules don't apply to exceptional people.
Ashley
And I've never heard of her before this.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Even a little bit.
Anna
I have because she randomly follows me. She might follow you. So I guess we've alienated her now.
Ashley
Well, but like come on the pod.
Anna
But people, people who are rich and exceptional, like don't have to follow. They don't have to subscribe to your gay little rules for life or your gay little rules for like fashion or self presentation. Like people were bashing her again for being like a single mom and having kids out of wedlock. Yeah, but she is by virtue of having a kid with the world's richest man. Like she just is. You don't have to like, like her respect her or anything.
Ashley
But as.
Anna
But she, she made it out the hood.
Ashley
Yeah, but that's not enough. I don't think that makes you, you know. Sure.
Anna
But like I think what makes you exceptional is like you deciding that you're going to buck the trends and not agree to the rules. Like, she's not, she's not like a poor single mom in the hood who is a kind of symbolic of the trend line. She is outside of the trend line.
Ashley
Well, she wasn't. And she wasn't positioning herself as like a trad influence. Yeah, she's sort of this kind of midwit thing that her whole, her pedigree as an author and like conservative media personality is already like, that's like sub tick tock. Yeah, that like sucks.
Anna
But she's there, you know, there are no nice normal middle class people who are going to try to imitate her example.
Ashley
No. No one who's gonna recognize her in the street with a baby and wonder first of all also because she's like unrecognizable. She has like a. Of course she. In addition to the like changing hair colors. Maybe that's why. Because she's disguising herself. But like. Yeah, she's not like you can't tell really what she looks like or recognize her. I would, I could see her tomorrow in the street and would not.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Like, is that Ashley Sinclair?
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Like I would walk past her and not, you know, she doesn't have distinctive markings. She Looks extremely generic. Her online presentation, which is clearly, like, very curated, is.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
You know, there's not. She's not famous.
Anna
No, I know. And. But I'm just saying, like. Like, the argument shouldn't be that, like, she. Her way to the top and that this is a bad example for women everywhere because she's kind of an outlier in that regard.
Ashley
And she's irrelevant. She's, you know.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
No one's following her example.
Anna
Not. Not because she's so positively exceptional. But yes, because, like, she's like a random outlier. Nobody cares.
Ashley
She had a baby with the world's richest man who has 13 children.
Anna
With four baby mamas.
Ashley
With four baby mamas is clearly on some, like, eugenics tip. Like, any. Like, he's. If the. The eggs. The egg donor was, you know, met the criteria, he impregnate them.
Anna
As Bab said. Like, I knew you were into African men, but I didn't expect you to get your African baby this way.
Ashley
She's a bimbo. She's, you know, a disreputable.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
And I don't think anyone needs to come to her, like, defense, nor even really attack her.
Anna
What I'm saying is that I'm a very neutral.
Ashley
Like, the reality is. Yeah, it's like she's like a Babylon bimbo who, like. Like, maybe doesn't even have a baby with Elon Musk. And if she does, it was possibly conceived via surrogate. All of that's extremely creepy.
Anna
Yeah. It's not normal. I guess that's what I mean by exceptional.
Ashley
It's not.
Anna
It's not like she's, like, right. You know, a great.
Ashley
She didn't have an unplanned pregnant woman.
Anna
Of history or anything like that. But, yes, she's an unusual.
Ashley
Right. Case, for sure.
Anna
And so I don't really care about all the trads whining about how she's, like, a bad example or. But it is repulsive to drop this bombshell on Valentine's Day.
Ashley
On Valentine's Day.
Anna
And pretend it's about the safety and welfare of your baby when you're actually putting your vanity and your needs ahead of the needs of your child.
Ashley
Mm. In the New York Post, she also said. She said that the child mother child duo have met some of Musk's other 12 children, but not their mothers. They have spent time with Musk's mother, May, though she didn't know about the pregnancy. Sinclair asked to keep the baby's name a secret, but revealed that they are happy and healthy. She Went on to say, I am a good mom. That's what drives most of my decisions. And my kids are my whole world.
Anna
I mean, I believe her.
Ashley
The lie detector test determined that was a lie.
Anna
This has been fact checked by patriots.
Ashley
Let's take this to Maury Povich. And that is a lie. You are absolutely not. If you. I mean, this is not necessarily even bad for her baby, though. Her baby's doomed, of course.
Anna
Well, no, but she, she entered this very questionable arrangement voluntarily.
Ashley
I mean, maybe, maybe, maybe they did randomly have sex and she randomly got pregnant and it's, you know, but like.
Anna
Maybe, but, but it's, it's very cruel to your children, both of them, to behave in that way.
Ashley
And if he already is, you know, he's clearly on this tip, so why would he deny it, which he hasn't done, or, like, why, you know, like.
Anna
The way he hasn't confirmed, the way.
Ashley
He doesn't really engage at all is very. Also, it's so mysterious. It just makes it really seem like, I don't know.
Anna
I mean, assuming the baby exists and it's his, he's probably kind of pissed off at her right now for blowing up his spot.
Ashley
But why? Who care at this point? Who cares? That's the thing. There's an art. There's a piece in the Free Press that I read about how, using the Ashley Sinclair Elon example as indicative of like, a shift in what, like a moral majority was that, like, Reagan, Bush were, you know, sort of sustained by an electoral body of the so called, like, moral majority, which is driven by like, evangelical Christian rhetoric about, you know, a return to kind of like, traditional values and like the current GOP with, you know, Trump himself being thrice divorced, Elon Musk being a very prominent figure in the Trump cabinet, being like a kind of, you know, that this is very, like, immoral. But that the shift has been in the moral majority has been like, people are less interested in what people do in their private lives.
Anna
Yeah. Which is a good thing.
Ashley
Yeah. What affects them, like, publicly?
Anna
Like, you know, like, we have not only our most liberal, but our blackest administration today. And yeah, it, it turns out that people don't really care about the details of people's sordid private lives outside of, like, the realm of, like, gossiping and theorizing about it.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
As long as the politics are moving in the direction that they want.
Ashley
Well, that there's like. Right. Or that, like, politics address more public issues.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Such as, like, crime and the economy, people. Right. Or like, you Know, drug addiction, etc.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Rather than like politics necessarily, like policing, like the moral lives of individuals.
Anna
Yeah. And if you. If you really wanted to be like an annoying conspiracy theorist about it, I guess you could say that, like this, like, bombshell comes at a very conspicuous time and it's designed to make Elon look bad and not credible. But I don't even think that that's what's going on.
Ashley
I don't think that's what's going on at all. I think it makes him look good or like, not. Word. Not bad. Certainly not bad.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
In any way that matters. Because there isn't like really a consensual. A constituency. Excuse me. Pardon me. There isn't like a moral majority constituency that really cares.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
That in that, like, it would matter that this is like, not the most, like, tradice, whatever. Like, that's all.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
That's an old paradigm that doesn't matter anymore.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
But I do think it's probably. There's something that, like, he owns X. Yeah. So, like, if he really wanted to, he could just like, shadow ban her or, you know, this wouldn't be a story because it depends on X to like, proliferate it.
Anna
And that's really a story about excess freedom.
Ashley
But yeah, it's. He has so much control and power. I don't think this would even be a news item if he didn't want it to be. I don't think she has, like, randomly gone rogue. If I had to. I don't know, maybe he was like. He knows it would be. It'll end up being sort of like ruinous for her and that he's protected in some way. Like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't like, you know.
Anna
Yeah. I think, like, just like, she comes out looking pretty bad in all of this, but maybe that's just like from where I'm sitting and most people don't feel that way and. Or aren't following the story at all whatsoever.
Ashley
Well, Andy Warhol, all press is good press. Yeah. You know, it's. She's. This has like, boosted her profile. It has given her publicity, which is clearly what she wants. She doesn't want. She doesn't care. The welfare of her children.
Anna
Yeah. Or she does in a weird, backhanded way because this means maybe like another book deal or like a new podcast or something like that.
Ashley
A coin.
Anna
She can do the. The media circuit. Everybody wins in the end.
Ashley
Yeah. There's some. I don't know what the play is, the exit strategy is, or how to stop Loss or anything like that. But I do know that. Yeah, it's. The market activity is suspicious.
Anna
I'm like, a real sailor girl in this way. And I just, like, go for the Occam's Razor explanation.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
Which is, like, again, if you assume the baby is real and the baby is his, that they're feuding because she violated some NDA or something, and so he's icing her out and they'll patch things up eventually.
Ashley
Yeah. I mean, Valentine's Day. That's crazy.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
With already so much going on in the market.
Anna
Well, that was really smart because, you know, as men are fond of pointing out, Valentine's Day is a Hallmark holiday that's, like, basically designed to make women mad at their boyfriends and husbands so that they can buy them gifts and give them attention.
Ashley
I like Valentine's Day.
Anna
And so it was. Well, I do, too.
Ashley
Our anniversary is on the 15th.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
So we kind of bundle it. And I had. I had a very nice weekend. Yeah.
Anna
Sounded great.
Ashley
I had a really nice, romantic weekend, and I'm bullish on Valentine's Day. Yeah.
Anna
It's nice. I mean, I think, like.
Ashley
And, like, February is so dreary. Like, why not just. Who cares if it's a fake holiday? Blah, blah. Like, like, doesn't go Hallmark. But it's like, it doesn't matter. It's like, I know there's nothing. Holiday snowing. Yeah. Your girlfriend, some flowers and have sex.
Anna
Yeah. It's nice. It's like, not the worst idea. Kind of like Trump's plan to buy Gaza and develop it. Excuse me. I'm, like, losing my voice. But it clearly needs some, like, neutral third party to come in and arbitrate things for them and raise their economic profile and quality of life.
Ashley
Get him out of the. Like Tim Dillon says, like, they can't live underground. Let's get them above ground. Make them work at the mall.
Anna
Yep. Selling soaps at the kiosk.
Ashley
Build a bear.
Anna
Yeah. And it's like, you know, we should be so lucky if. If a similar thing transpired in Armenia, Azerbaijan, if, like, Russia could. To step back in and take control. It's not the worst idea. I mean, like, when you take so many Ls historically and civilizationally, and the situation is so doomed and intractable, why not try something new?
Ashley
I mean, just to circle back to the eu. Remember we were talking about Greece earlier, and Greece, like, acquired all this debt, and when they became a member of the EU somehow and Merkel, like, fucked them over really bad and, like, tanked their fucking economy. I remember when that happened. I wasn't even like, you know, this is even, like, this is pre Bernie. I was like, really. I wasn't like really politically engaged at all, but I like, I randomly Woke up like 5am Like a cold sweat and I like, was like, looking at my phone and was like, what. Like, what the. Like the eu. Like, Greece over. Really bad. And I had this really bad feeling. Like, it seems so wrong because I've never been to Greece, but I've always had like a really, like, kind of fondness for. It seems like really. You know, it has a lot of karmic. Whatever you want to call it. Like, there's.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
You know, like, it doesn't seem.
Anna
That has a historical aura.
Ashley
Yeah. I just was like, it seems bad. There's something like, doomed that's going to play out. This is.
Anna
And it did.
Ashley
And it has. Yeah. But like, that's like kind of what, you know, Greece is sustained largely by like a tourist economy. It's, you know, and it's like, doing okay because the Greeks are well suited to a kind of like, leisure and lifestyle.
Anna
Yeah. And they're being like, propped up by the EU Weekend at Bernie style.
Ashley
But it's not. I don't know. There's something that feels like, wrong.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
About the way things have played out in Europe. Yeah.
Anna
Like to intervene in the affairs of sovereign countries and make them like, clients.
Ashley
So that your elites can, like, vacation.
Anna
Like, flood them with unchecked immigration. Yeah. Job.
Ashley
Do you think Bianca Sor and Kanye are really getting divorced?
Anna
I don't know. That seems like another op.
Ashley
I think that's fake. I. I jump by it.
Anna
Yeah. She's like an Israeli intelligence asset. Who among us isn't?
Ashley
But the story is after her, like, Grammy, after they were ousted from the Grammys, when she was more naked than ever.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Even though she's already been so naked. It, like, doesn't even register to me is like, it doesn't even feel pornographic or scandalous.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Because it's been such a long, you know, we're so desensitized. And then after Kanye's like, I love.
Anna
Hitler Twitter ramp after they cruelly canceled my order on Valentine's Day.
Ashley
Oh, man. Anna.
Anna
And he's going through. He's going through like a more high profile version of our Shopify saga.
Ashley
I know. Maddie texted me, actually, and she was like, it was before they, like, hauled. You know, she's like, why isn't Shopify stopping this after they us over on the ISA shirts And I was.
Anna
They're freezing your assets. They're debanking you.
Ashley
Like, they did let us, like, sell out of the ISIS shirts before they, like, deplatformed us. So they, like, are. Have been. They have a record of trying to get their bag. And I was like, it's a different time. There won't be as much, you know, backlash, maybe to the swastika T shirt.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Which makes us getting in trouble for the ISIS tea shirt, which, you know.
Anna
No, but he. I. I can't tell, but he. Nobody will make the T shirt for him.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
It's like those stories about how, like, a family walks into Walmart and they're like, can you make a birthday cake for my son, Adolf Hitler Jones? He's turning 2.
Ashley
But, yeah, apparently. Yeah. Bianca's had enough after the. The Hitler stuff. I don't think that's the case. She's clearly ride or die. It doesn't make. It's not. It doesn't make sense. I don't buy it.
Anna
More will be revealed. I also don't really care if they get divorced, because, sure, I feel like not most, but many marriages end in divorce, and surely most relationships end up in failure. In failure.
Ashley
I think about half.
Anna
And they're also, like, exceptional outliers, so the ordinary rules don't really apply to them.
Ashley
Yeah, it's true.
Anna
So I have no dog in the fight. I guess we won't be seeing her, like, big gnats on the red carpet anytime soon if they get divorced. But that's also fine with me.
Ashley
We saw them.
Anna
We've seen them plenty of times. And at some point when you, like, over saturate the market.
Ashley
Exactly.
Anna
There's, like, a law of diminishing returns. And no one cares anymore, that is.
Ashley
Yep. Now that we're in the crypto space.
Anna
Yeah. Which is sad because, like, women with, like, exceptional proportions aren't that special. They're devalued. Their stock is down.
Ashley
Yeah, that's true. But. Well, she's augmented, of course. I don't think. I think her. I don't think she has breast implants maybe, but, like. Yeah, but she has surgical interventions. And, you know, he's obviously, like, crafted her, like. Yeah, totally to look and, you know.
Anna
But he's an artist, so he understands, like, the concept of negative space. So instead of, like, augmenting her breasts, he augmented her waistline to make the breasts look bigger.
Ashley
Exactly. He's an artist like you.
Anna
Bianca is like what I imagine Amy Therese would be if she wasn't.
Ashley
A.
Anna
Racist right wing poster and married a black rapper.
Ashley
Well, she had a black investment. She did her boyfriend, so she has an appetite for it.
Anna
My question is, is who's going to be the next Elon Musk baby mama? Because there will be more people were betting on, like, Maloney.
Ashley
AOC Maloney would be interesting. Yeah. I mean, if he's smart, they'll be. I think.
Anna
He needs to impregnate classy Fred Blassie because she really needs a break right now.
Ashley
Yeah, he needs to get her out the hill. But she's not his type.
Anna
It can't be Bronze Age shoddy because that's too obvious.
Ashley
She's.
Anna
Because she's already in the crypto space.
Ashley
She's not his high.
Anna
But like, Ashley Sinclair also isn't really his type.
Ashley
She's Jewish, apparently, which all his baby mamas have people pointed out.
Anna
That's true.
Ashley
Yeah, he's like Hue Maxing. And yeah, he's probably doing some like, eugenical finance.
Anna
It should be a Daisy girl because they're notably high IQ and he likes that. Like Grimes and Siobhan actually kind of look alike. Like they're both cute and elfin and have button noses. It should be Sarah Heider.
Ashley
Who's Sarah Heider?
Anna
The girl that I did the debate with.
Ashley
Oh, yeah. Okay. I mean, I'm sure whoever it is is probably already the child. Like, who knows how many children Elon Musk has. And he's probably smart enough. Like, he may be fumbled potentially, though I don't think so. Again, because he's very smart with Sinclair. But, like, they're probably some random, you know, woman without a profile or a publicist who isn't going, you know, who's not hot off of men, conservative dad's beer calendar, you know, on her high.
Anna
Horse, just living in the woods and doing some woodworking, converting to Catholicism over here.
Ashley
He's probably got like, you know.
Anna
Yeah.
Ashley
Some baby mamas who are more discreet and down to clown.
Anna
Elon Musk is also, in a weird way, like, such an archetypal man because, yeah, he's obviously like, very smart and very decisive in terms of affecting certain, like, global political change that he wants to see in the world because they tranced his daughter or whatever. But he's totally hit or miss when it comes to like, vetting the quality of baby mamas and like, whether or not they'll pipe up and make his life a living hell.
Ashley
I would not be surprised if there was no baby.
Anna
Same. I had that thought.
Ashley
It was just totally like, she yeah.
Anna
We'Re all being set up.
Ashley
Psycho.
Anna
Yeah. Or they're, like, colluding somehow.
Ashley
There's, like, a French bulldog and a bassinet.
Anna
You know, like, swaddled French bulldog.
Ashley
She's like, when will you. When will you tweet back at me?
Anna
It's actually Rab Khan's baby.
Ashley
The baby are waiting. Well, we can wrap it up.
Anna
Yeah, I think we've said enough.
Ashley
Yeah.
Anna
Alienated everyone yet again.
Ashley
Okay, well, buy our crypto coins and hold them for a long time, and we'll see. We'll see.
Anna
You know.
Ashley
Sa.
Red Scare Podcast Episode Summary: "AidHate"
Release Date: February 21, 2025
Hosts: Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova
In the "AidHate" episode of Red Scare, hosts Anna Khachiyan and Ashley (Dasha Nekrasova) delve into the contentious topic of Germany's evolving hate speech laws amidst its upcoming election. The discussion spans the implications of these laws on free speech, cultural shifts, and broader societal impacts. The episode intertwines political commentary with personal anecdotes, reflecting the hosts' characteristic blend of sharp critique and irreverent humor.
Anna introduces the central topic by referencing a recent segment on 60 Minutes about "Hate Aid," a Berlin-based human rights organization. The hosts critique Germany's stringent measures against hate speech, noting that these laws often penalize not only outright hate speech but also any incitement of hate or violence online.
They highlight the inefficiency and outdated nature of the enforcement mechanisms, comparing them to "Stasi-coded" bureaucracies reliant on physical folders and printouts.
The hosts argue that these laws stifle organic expression and exacerbate societal tensions rather than mitigating them. They contend that fear of legal repercussions leads to self-censorship, impeding democratic discourse.
Anna [08:21]: "You can't say shit about the Holocaust. You can't say nothing about."
Ashley [09:10]: "It doesn't accomplish any of the stated or implicit goals."
They also discuss the role of organizations like Hate Aid in perpetuating a climate of repression and fear, suggesting that such measures contribute to radicalizing individuals instead of fostering civility.
The hosts compare Germany's approach to free speech with that of the United States, emphasizing the latter's more permissive stance. They argue that unrestricted expression serves as a vital pressure valve for societal frustrations, preventing them from manifesting as real-world violence.
Anna and Ashley explore the idea that meme culture and online shitposting, despite their controversial nature, play a crucial role in allowing individuals to vent frustrations in a non-violent manner.
They caution against equating online behavior with offline actions, suggesting that proactive repression of online speech only heightens underlying societal tensions.
The conversation shifts to the intersection of feminism and immigration, highlighting how increased immigration, particularly of young men from non-Western Muslim countries, has impacted Western societies. The hosts argue that these immigrants often bring with them cultural norms that clash with Western values, leading to increased crime rates and societal friction.
Anna and Ashley critique mainstream feminism for failing to address the cultural and ethnic dimensions of sex crimes, instead framing issues solely through the lens of patriarchy. They assert that this narrow focus undermines the credibility of feminist critiques and ignores underlying cultural factors.
The hosts emphasize that meme culture serves as an essential outlet for expressing dissent and frustration. They posit that allowing such expressions prevents the buildup of pent-up anger that could otherwise erupt into real-world violence.
Anna and Ashley discuss how repression of online speech might inadvertently contribute to real-world violence, as suppressed frustrations find other, more destructive outlets.
A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to dissecting the controversial and heavily scrutinized relationship between Ashley Sinclair and Elon Musk. The hosts question the authenticity of Sinclair's claims about her pregnancy and Musk's alleged involvement, suggesting it might be a calculated publicity stunt.
Ashley and Anna express skepticism about the legitimacy of Sinclair's statements, pointing out inconsistencies and potential motives for media manipulation.
The duo theorizes that the timing of Sinclair's announcement on Valentine's Day might be intentionally strategic, aiming to maximize media coverage and personal publicity amidst other ongoing controversies.
They further speculate about the potential non-existence of the baby, suggesting that it could be fabricated for attention or financial gain through avenues like meme coins.
The hosts transition to discussing the volatile world of cryptocurrency, particularly meme coins. They criticize the manipulative nature of meme coin promotions, likening them to scams that exploit unsuspecting investors.
Both Anna and Ashley share personal anecdotes about their encounters with meme coins, highlighting the unethical practices and the emotional toll it takes on investors.
Ashley [57:16]: "But pretty much, you have some kind of like weird opportunism at play and like I'm the."
Anna [58:37]: "But is it his like proprietary coin?"
Anna and Ashley offer broader critiques of European politics, particularly focusing on the EU's influence over member states like Greece and the resulting socio-economic struggles.
They also touch upon the historical context of Germany's guilt post-World War II, suggesting it has evolved into a modern form of authoritarianism under the guise of protecting democratic values.
The "AidHate" episode encapsulates Red Scare's unapologetic critique of contemporary socio-political issues, weaving together analysis of hate speech laws, free speech, feminism, and the murky world of meme coins and media manipulation. Anna and Ashley's conversation underscores the complexities of maintaining civil discourse in an era of heightened censorship and cultural conflict, all while navigating personal and financial pitfalls in the digital age.
Notable Quotes:
Anna [08:21]: "You can't say shit about the Holocaust. You can't say nothing about."
Ashley [09:10]: "It doesn't accomplish any of the stated or implicit goals."
Anna [20:28]: "I would even say that like shit posting and memes are literally a pressure valve that prevent people from allowing it to spill over into real violence."
Ashley [65:38]: "She did a photo shoot and give an exclusive interview to the New York Post."
This comprehensive summary captures the essence and key discussions of the "AidHate" episode, providing valuable insights into the hosts' perspectives on censorship, cultural shifts, and the interplay between personal narratives and broader political landscapes.