Ethel Cain't

Summary

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Red Scare – "Ethel Cain't" (August 19, 2025)

Hosts: Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Anna (recording from Mexico City) and Dasha reconnect after travels and illness to discuss a handful of current cultural dramas. The episode’s driving focus is the recent online feud between Lana Del Rey and Ethel Cain, touching on issues of trans identity, music industry cattiness, and generational/postmodern culture wars. They also riff on podcast beauty standards, Twitter beefs, Chris Rufo vs. Doreen St. Felix, and end with bleakly comic reflections on the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war and identity politics in America. True to Red Scare’s voice, the conversation veers between acerbic humor, cultural analysis, personal anecdotes, and sharp, off-the-cuff commentary.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Remote Recording Chaos and Life Updates ([00:26]–[10:00])

• Anna reports from Mexico City, dealing with technical troubles and unreliable electronics:
  “The retarded Mexicans like, stole the USB-C cable and the user manual out of the box.” [01:30]
• The hosts joke about language barriers, the idiosyncrasies of supply chain issues, and Anna fantasizing about moving to Mexico, while referencing their respective heritages and linguistic skills.
• Dasha describes recovering cognitive function after an illness and again references the “cesspool” that is New York and her paranoia over disease at protests ([08:13]).

2. Language, Identity, and Generational Skills ([04:26]–[07:45])

• The hosts discuss their imperfect grasp of second languages, the temptation to improve Russian or Spanish, and why brain elasticity/nootropics are overhyped.
  • “I cope by saying it's because they have greater brain elasticity.” – Anna [07:44]
• Zoomers’ intelligence and internet youth are highlighted, with references to Nick Fuentes’s birthday, “brain elasticity,” and coping with feeling outmoded as millennials.

3. Lana Del Rey vs. Ethel Cain: The ‘Beef’ Fully Dissected ([12:14]–[39:00])

The Social Media Feud Backstory

• The “drama” began with rumors about Lana Del Rey’s new diss track, "Ethel," and fans speculating that it targets Ethel Cain—fueled by explicit, on-the-nose references in lyrics.
  • “Like, my new song, I hate Ethel Kane—like, who is this about?” – Anna [20:36]
• The hosts lambast the idea that Ethel Cain could be a real rival to Lana Del Rey:
  • "There's no way people could actually think that. Like, they are just on a totally different level.” – Dasha [12:52]

Gender Identity & the "Skinwalking" Argument

• Repeatedly, the hosts riff on the “trans” aspect of Ethel Cain, the ambiguous "gender goblin" identity, and distinctions between "AGP" and "HSTS" taxonomies:
  • "It's a classic like trune move to skinwalk someone and then turn on them." – Anna [13:21]
  • “She’s just like a liminal category... much younger and better passing than your traditional AGP.” – Anna [17:12]
• Discusses the privilege and victim-currency of trans identity, male privilege, and body-shaming in online trans-feminine communities ([14:00]).

The Music Comparison

• Dasha finally listens to an Ethel Cain song, finding it more “Taylor Swift” than “Lana”:
  • “She sounds a lot like Taylor Swift... but with a creaky door or like, spooky kind of production. But it is very pop.” – Dasha [18:30]
• Both agree: everything is “downstream from Lana” and Ethel’s “Americana Gothic” aesthetic is derivative.

Jack Donahue, Meme Warfare, and Catty Dynamics

• They detail the centrality of Jack Donahue (Salem member, rumored romantic interest of both Ethel and Lana) in the feud, and how these personal subplots fuel the beef.
• Discussion of men’s fashion and affect, finicky “hot guy” culture, and its lack of true sex appeal.

Larger Reflections

• Despite dismissing the beef as “boring meme warfare,” the hosts appreciate Lana’s ability to generate art from real grievances:
  • “Her art can simply stand on its own. But I guess it’s grist for the mill or whatever.” – Anna [24:48]
• Final verdict: the “beef” is a cynical but ultimately unreadable PR stunt, likely benefiting Ethel Cain more, but doing little real-world harm to either.

4. Doreen St. Felix, Anti-White Tweets & Cultural Grifting ([60:17]–[79:12])

• Doreen St. Felix, a New Yorker writer, is in hot water over resurfaced, inflammatory tweets:
  • “Whiteness must be abolished. Whiteness fills me with a lot of hate. I would be heartbroken if I had kids with a white man.” [65:08]
• Anna and Dasha dissect the “elite BIPOC grift,” noting the irony of writers like St. Felix living in million-dollar Brooklyn homes while condemning “white capitalism.”
• They reflect on the cyclical nature of “cancel culture,” noting that anti-white rhetoric once taken as normatively progressive is now retroactively denounced in mainstream culture wars.
  • “You scratch a black person and find an anti-Semite every single time. It’s so great.” – Anna [81:03]
• They elaborate on the motif of “not black enough” for elite POC writers, the pathologies of racial struggle as personal branding, and the shame/resentment it breeds:
  • “Of all the black writers and pundits… they know, deep down, that they’re not accepted by their own kind because… they’re too educated, they’re nerds.” – Anna [73:47]

5. War in Ukraine, Putin, Trump, and Zelensky ([41:10]–[52:15])

• Dasha summarizes the recent “summit” between Putin and Trump, who both appear to “want to make a deal,” vs. Zelensky’s reluctance to capitulate:
  • “Putin admitted that the war wouldn’t have started if Trump had won the last election. Which is probably true. But it’s just such a female… so pointless to say.” – Dasha [42:06]
• The hosts are skeptical about the possibility of “ending forever wars,” discuss Zelensky’s motivations (“his livelihood, his ego, probably his life depends on this forever war” – Anna [43:15]), and deride Westerners’ sentimental attachment to Ukrainian leadership.

6. American Cultural Critique: Boomer Liberals, False Consciousness ([53:14]–[60:12])

• Anna recounts observations from a bakery line in Berkeley, marveling at the “fabulously rich, fit, liberal class" whose political consciousness exists within a bubble.
  • “They are ubemenschian, actually… They’re fabulously rich. They don’t actually care.” – Anna [56:27]
• Dasha describes her years in Berkeley, the boomer-academic selfishness and late-in-life parenting, and the commodification of counterculture into an anemic, liberal status quo.
• Both hosts reflect on generational change: the criticisms boomers face now will be faced by millennials for “cheating on him, getting an abortion, living their best life, you go girl” [60:08].

7. Miscellaneous

• There are sections on personal life updates, fashion (mostly negative takes on men’s fashion), references to their own health and behaviors, and acerbic commentary on various public figures.
• The conversation closes with bleak riffs on Sharia law, female genital mutilation (“Female genital mutilation... someone should do something” – Dasha [88:03]), and whether communism or theocracy is more appealing—concluding that “Sharia leads to communism and communism leads to Sharia” ([89:25]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s a classic trune move to skinwalk someone and then turn on them and then accuse them of being jealous.” – Anna [13:21]
• “Her work comes from like divine inspiration, like, artistic intuition… Ethel Kane seems like a person who’s constantly, like, weighing her moves.” – Anna [29:30]
• “They live like that. They’re fabulously rich... They don’t actually care. They get to pretend that they do and they get to feel like they have a moral high ground.” – Anna [56:27]
• “You scratch a black person and find an anti-Semite every single time. It’s so great.” – Anna [81:03]
• “What the Holocaust is, Anna, is a money-making machine that uses tricknology to print money for Jewish people.” – Dasha [83:05]
• “He’s like a Muslim-to-Muslim transsexual.” – Anna [85:11] (re: the political opportunism of some liberal figures)
• “Female genital mutilation… someone should do something.” – Dasha [88:03]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [00:26] — Show starts; Anna in Mexico; technical/recording drama
• [04:26] — “Should I learn a new language?”; laments on discipline
• [12:14] — Introduction of the Lana Del Rey/Ethel Cain beef
• [13:20–18:03] — “Skinwalking,” trans identity, AGP/HSTS, and male privilege
• [18:30–21:26] — Music comparisons, critique of Ethel Cain’s style and persona
• [20:08–23:46] — “Chicago pose” drama, Jack Donahue, meme warfare
• [24:44–25:43] — The pettiness of the feud, questions about authenticity
• [41:10] — War in Ukraine, Putin/Trump/Zelensky analysis
• [53:14] — Observing Berkeley boomers, “false consciousness,” boomer liberal hypocrisy
• [60:17] — Doreen St. Felix tweets controversy, “white capitalism,” and BIPOC grift culture
• [81:03] — “Tricknology” segment, black anti-Semitism, and the Holocaust as leftist rhetorical device
• [85:11] — Political theatrality, opportunism (“Muslim-to-Muslim transsexual”)
• [88:03]–[89:25] — Sharia law, communism, and female genital mutilation as modern horror

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Final Thoughts

This episode embodies Red Scare’s signature blend of wit, provocation, and (sometimes wicked) cultural honesty. Anna and Dasha dissect the current Lana/Ethel Cain drama with irreverence and personal insight, using it as a springboard for deeper riffs on gender, culture, online discourse, and generational malaise. In the latter half, they turn their sights on contemporary race and class grifts, anti-white rhetoric, elite BIPOC insecurity, and the absurdities of culture war punditry. The conversation meanders, but with sharp moments of self-awareness and humor, resulting in a lively—if at times caustic—discussion for listeners keen to keep up with both gossip and sociopolitical critique.

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Transcript

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Okay, we're back.

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We're back.

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Hopefully.

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Already off to a great start.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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We're just gonna be us, like, talking over each other.

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Yeah. Like.

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Oh, wait, no.

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Yeah. Well, hey, it's amazing because the Internet connection is not totally defunct here, so that's good.

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Here in Mexico where you are.

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I'm in cdmx, unwinding with a Mexican coke and a shot of tequila. Because that's what you do here.

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Yeah. Chilling with your gallerist.

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Yeah, my gallerist. Love that. Kindly let it. Let me. He kindly let me use his laptop. So I'm gonna obviously, like, go through his porn search.

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Yeah. Go through all of that.

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Yeah. I'm gonna go through all his bills.

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Make sure he's not shorting you on any of those art books.

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Ugh.

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I can tell this is gonna sound so bad, but. No, it's gonna. I'm gonna use a AI technology.

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Yeah.

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To fix it.

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We're doing a new thing. Yeah. I went to, like, their Best Buy equivalent today to get a USB mic because I didn't bring a laptop or any gear because I did not anticipate extending my month of rest and relaxation. And, like, the retarded Mexicans, like, stole the USB C cable and the user manual out of the box. So it was just the mic and I was, like, reading the box. It's like, contents include.

[B]

Who would even want that?

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I don't know. Like, why are they, like, separately selling a user manual or they're, like, using it for. I don't know.

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Well, the dryer I bought at Sephora, the blow dryer I bought at Sephora, which is not a Dyson, but it's just basically as expensive and not as good. And I'm going to return it.

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Yeah.

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And I put it back in the box and everything, but it said it came with a diffuser and there was like, no diffuser in sight. And, like, who would steal just, like a diffuser attachment? So sometimes I feel like things at the factory, there's a supply chain breakdown.

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No, no, this was definitely them. Removing the user manual and the USB C cable because the original, like, seal had been cut open and re taped with clear tape.

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Right.

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It really is, like, real, like, eastbound and down hours up in here. I'm going to get cornrows. I transcend race ombre, like, and I was thinking, like, I have to go back there and go full Karen and make them return my money, but I'm going to need Pepe because nobody speaks English.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. What a nightmare. But I wonder if Mexicans even have the technology to like, process returns. I love it here. So.

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Concept in their culture.

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Yeah, no, I love it here so much because it's like really nice and beautiful and everyone is like super kind and friendly. And I'm spiritually Mexican, obviously. So I keep like fantasizing about like getting a ped a tear here even though they have frequent earthquakes. But then something like this happens where I'm reminded that Mexicans are retarded and I would just like, lose my Adios.

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Adios, America. I don't even really like, I'm not even comfortable in like Miami with the level of Spanish speaking.

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Yeah.

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Not to sound like a absolute bigot. It's just not my thing.

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Yeah.

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And I don't live. I live in a English speaking country.

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Yeah.

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So when I'm in Florida, which is part of America, and people are speaking Spanish to me, I'm like, I don't think so, amigo.

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La quenta, por favor. Just kidding. I have good Spanish pronunciation. I'm just not gonna trot it out because I'm shy.

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I inhibited. Don't. No.

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It must be decent because you're a Russian speaker so you can roll the.

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R. That's all that matters. It's just a confidence thing.

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Yeah, totally.

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I just can't dive in and commit, you know?

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Totally. Yeah. I was thinking about this like earlier in the vacay and it's like, why, why don't I just, like, sit down and like, harness my resources and learn another language? Because it would be a fairly, like, enjoyable and enlightening and low pressure hobby versus picking up like ceramics or getting into knitting, which requires resources. With this, you basically need like just duolingo. Duolingo or something.

[B]

You just get the raw skill. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But then I was like, wait a minute, you retard. You already, like, know two other languages imperfectly and can't be bothered to learn them.

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I would definitely improve my Russian before I sought to learn another language.

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Same.

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Your Russian's better than mine, but I.

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Like marginally, you know, slightly older. But it's like whatever.

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We both are. Yeah. Cringe. Larpers.

[A]

We. Yeah. Well, yeah. But an extremely gay fun fact is also that I have a minor in Spanish language and literature. From Russian or from Rutgers University. Russian University. Russian University. Because I was like one of those, like, annoying, like, girls who was like.

[B]

I'm going to do a double major.

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And a minor even though it like amounted to nothing.

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I'm really ambitious.

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Yeah.

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So you do speak Spanish.

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I can totally understand. And Read Spanish. I'm just too cucked to speak it.

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Yeah, I get that.

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But I can, like, probably read a book in Spanish, like a Borges or who's the guy who wrote. But like, like, slowly and laboriously. I'm not going to lie. My Spanish is like, not.

[B]

I mean, it would be so hard for me to read a book in Russian. It would be basically pointless.

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Yes. Have you died?

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Not in a long. I got. During the pandemic. I got a book of short stories that was like a Penguin edition that had the English and Russian.

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Yeah.

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And I was like, perfect. And then I just didn't even read that. So.

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Yeah. I mean, you just have to, like, set your mind to it and, like, have enough discipline, which none of us do. And, like, there's no point because, like, the Internet will just, like, translate everything for you and you can like, literally speak to people in real time on your phone.

[B]

Exactly. There's going to be no need. And like, Fuentes says happy birthday, by the way, though we'll post this probably later when he talks about young people having brain elasticity. Yes. Is like, I just am not. At this point. I'm not gonna learn a whole new skill. I don't have that capital anymore. I don't have that raw power. True.

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Yeah. I'm. I'm always, like, ceaselessly impressed with how smart zoomers are because you want to be like, I'm the older and wiser one here and you're an inexperienced retard. But actually they're all pretty bright. At least the ones I come into contact with.

[B]

Selection bias.

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I cope by. By saying it's because they have greater brain elasticity. That is nice. It's nice to be celebrating Nick Fuentes's birthday in the country of his origin. Feels good.

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To our favorite Mexican podcaster, streamer.

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Favorite Mexican zoomer.

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Well, I told you, I showed. I sent you photos of all the horses outside my apartment again and. But I didn't say on the show yet because I still did not have the return of all of my cognitive function out of after the hospital.

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Yeah.

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But slowly it came back. And then I finally was able to use my incredible mind to do the day by day trace back and find out how. Because I. Because, I mean, New York is a cesspool. I could have gotten it anywhere but low key. Like, I don't leave my apartment that much. That's. It's like, it's so unfair that, like, I am not really, like, I go out, goes outside once and like, has to be. But per the day by day trace back per my math. The day that I contracted it, there was an a very long pro Palestine demonstration right outside my house that I did walk by four or five times and there was a lot of a big Hasidic population there who are also an under vaccinated population much like Soviet immigrants from the early 90s. So it was a total hip bomb and a hosted breathed on me and made me sick and die almost he he virus. And then I saw them today gathering again and I was like, I mean I can't get hip again. Probably I'm immune because. Yeah. But still, like they could give me measle. Who knows what else. I'm not vaccinated. Who knows what gaps I have in my Soviet panel.

[A]

Yeah. Well, you look great.

[B]

Thank you. LA was really.

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Your hair looks nice. You got some of your color back.

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Thank you.

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I'm like, I'm like crouching out of the view of the screen because I have a comically short USB cable, like short bus.

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Yeah.

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But it's really because I look super from traveling so much.

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It takes a toll. Yeah, for sure. Especially if you're not doing well, wellness oriented.

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Yeah. You were like in the infrared sauna every day.

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Yeah, every day we were in L. A. I went in the infrared sauna sometimes twice.

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Yeah.

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Because I knew it was. I kept doing it, it would heal me inevitably. And it basically done.

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It did. Yeah. Yeah. I was like getting wasted and getting.

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High at the like Hunter Biden.

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Seriously?

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You were going Hunter Biden mode?

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Cooking my own crack. No, the thing you have to understand is that this is actually much purer than other drugs. It's better this way because you burn away the impurities.

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It's better than cocaine.

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I want to die like John Belushi.

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Oh, so hot. One of the hottest guys of all time.

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He's really sexy.

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He's like the perfect RS male.

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Yeah, he has. I know, I know that he's fat.

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He's funny. He's a drug addict.

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He has breathing problems.

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He's got a death drive.

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He has comorbidities from being fat. No, I know, I know. People are like, sick of me being like, ooh, he's hot because he reminds me of my dad. But John Belushi actually did look a lot like my dad.

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I mean, he is. Objectively, he doesn't resemble my father. But even as a teen when I was like obsessed with Saturday Night Live, I was like, when I was like 13, I had one of those like, stupid little, little kid preteen fixations where I was, like, trying to learn everything I could about Saturday Night Live at the public library. And I remember ripping pictures of John Belushi out of, like, some book of SNL history to keep in a binder and look at because I thought he was so sexy.

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Yeah.

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I couldn't stand it. Sexy.

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Boo.

[B]

So the last night we were in LA was when the Lana, Ethel Kane.

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Huh?

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Drama started to transpire. Which is one of our docket items.

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Yes.

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And I'm feeling much better now. But I was like, I was supposed to wake up really early and go to the airport, and literally my heart was like. It made me so anxious because it was like my. The algorithm was just feeding me all this, like, fake beef, you know, and, like, whatever. Ethel. Eth. Ethyl cane. Right.

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I think. Ethel. Yeah, Ethel.

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I don't know what. Ethel is. Evil.

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Cain.

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All of her. Like, the Kacs, you know, it was like, just showing me this stuff of, like, people talking about how Ethel Kane was better than Lana. And my heart was, like, beating. I could hear it. It was making me so anxious because I was like, there's no way people could actually think that. Like, they are just on a totally different level. It's not. They're not comparable.

[A]

Well, they don't think that. But that is so trans.

[B]

No one thinks that.

[A]

It's a classic, like, trune move to skinwalk someone and then turn on them and then accuse them of being jealous of you. Like, the amount of times people have screamed at us, saying, like, you wish you could pass as well as me. And it's some, like, person with, like, a five o' clock shadow and a cleft chin.

[B]

For a biological male.

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Yeah.

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To. To body shame. Amazing female artist who was on lithium or something. I don't know. She was overweight for some time. Yeah. But men have naturally lower body fat.

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Yeah.

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And it's just not fair. It's just like that, of all things. You know, it's like, it's fine if you want to be a woman or be a trans woman or, you know, you know, good luck and God bless. But like you, you should be barred from attacking women physically and emotionally. You can't emotionally terrorize real women.

[A]

Yeah. For not living up to some kind of beauty or thinness standard that you.

[B]

Just at all, for any reason, automatically.

[A]

Clear because you have a high metabolism. A friend of mine, like, took his girlfriend and her female friends out to dinner once, and he quickly figured out which one of them was trans. Because she looked like a man.

[B]

No.

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But because she was eating More than the others. Like, the other ones were, like, drinking Diet Cokes and picking at salad. And this one, like, housed an entire entree and dessert plus apps.

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Male privilege. It's male privilege.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And it's the most twisted form because they get the marginalized points of being trans.

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Yes.

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And so you can't. They're. They're. They have the victim status.

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Yeah.

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But are also. Not anymore.

[A]

But they're also like angry, high powered, high T. Man, I'm glad that you've been following this because I really can't be bothered. I read some, like, Teen Vogue explainer about it and was like, instantly bored and annoyed because it's like, it's like when so boring dreams or anecdotes to you. You're like, why should I care? Like, I don't care about this unless I'm in it or someone's, as my gay hairdresser former roommate used to say. And it's like. Yeah. Like, it's so hard to, like, keep track of the different, like, tangents and arcs of what's going on.

[B]

Well, it all.

[A]

Yeah, well, yeah. What I want to know is like, how did the Beast start? How does Nicki Minaj figure into this?

[B]

Sorry, I'm still here. I'm just.

[A]

No, no, no, no worries.

[B]

Nikki's just a fan.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And she's. She's Alana Stan and she's throwing shade at Ethel. What I'm most interested in in all of this is what you mentioned, which is like, what kind of gender goblin Ethel Kane is like, Wikipedia. And the media are reporting that her real name is Hayden Silas Anhedonia, which. No, it isn't. That's not a real name.

[B]

That's a dead name. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, but this seems to be like a new category distinct from like, the original AGP virtual versus HSTS taxonomy, which was pioneered by Ray Blanchard because on the surface, in need of a software update.

[B]

On the surface, she does present as an hsts.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

But the landscape has just changed so radically, I feel.

[A]

Well, to me, she presents as an psychological.

[B]

No, she's passable. She's like a twink. Ostensibly. She was probably a pretty effeminate boy. No, no, it's like she's.

[A]

She's like this liminal category because. Yes, she's like much younger and better passing than your traditional agp. Who's like a middle aged male pervert.

[B]

Classic. The people we don't want in the bathrooms. Yeah.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. Who. Who is legitimately, like, motivated by sexual paraphilia is, you know, Usually relatively affluent, high achieving, whatever, often married with children, et cetera, et cetera. But like, I don't really get a ton of like gay vibes from Ethel Caine.

[B]

Really. Well, because this whole beef is really about Jack Donahue.

[A]

Yes. They're fight. The girls are fighting over Jack Donahue.

[B]

Which is very gay.

[A]

Yeah.

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To love have him as a love object is pretty gay.

[A]

Yeah. I would say that this new category is probably categorized by. Yeah. Having an attraction to biological males, which is against what we know of AGPs who are attract biological females and live their life as lesbians, but who have the kind of like, intellect and aggression of your traditional agp.

[B]

Mm. I mean, I had never listened to her music. Same Riley played one of her songs for me and it was different from what I thought it would be. She sounds a lot like Taylor Swift, kind of, but with like a creaky door or like a spooky kind of production. But it's very. It is very like pop. It was poppier than I thought and it wasn't. I'm sure she has other songs that are much more derivative of Lana, and even this one sort of was because Taylor's derivative of Lana in some ways as well.

[A]

Everything is downstream of Lana now.

[B]

It's clear that her whole thing, the whole Americana Gothic guy with a tattoo, hand on your leg thing, like that's textbook Lana.

[A]

She is very American Gothic. She looks like that famous painting of the couple, the guy holding the pitchfork. And she has that kind of scary, puritanical scare stare which I associate with the tea community. Okay, so Lana has a new album in the works with her long time collaborator, Anton Jackoff, who hates us. And it.

[B]

Even though we did nothing wrong, we did nothing to him. We need to get him to produce our podcast.

[A]

Yeah, I know, I know. As like penance, he's like, he can.

[B]

Make this right if he can get these levels evened out in the production booth.

[A]

And okay, she posted a snippet. Yeah. So apparently this new album has a diss track.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Called Ethel. And as soon as Del Rey posted the snippet, fans began speculating that the lyrics could be about Ethel Kane. Not only because she outright mentions Kane by name, but also because nothing gets.

[B]

Nothing gets past. These fans tell you they are decoding the words.

[A]

Like, yeah, my new song, I hate Ethel Kane. Like, who is this about?

[B]

But yeah, in it she says Ethel Kane hated my Instagram posts. Right. And posted that portion of it. And like, Instagram post, it's cute.

[A]

Reenacting my Chicago pose. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, she's referring to the photo of her and Jack Donahue outside of a prison in Chicago.

[A]

Yeah, they're visiting the other crackhead from Salem, I think.

[B]

What's.

[A]

What, what is his name? I don't fucking know. Everyone keeps trying to sell me on Jack Donahue and I really like don't get the appeal.

[B]

I mean he's sexy.

[A]

I, I know he looks like a jacked working class wigger who like shops at Dave's New York. I get it.

[B]

But he's. But he's gay.

[A]

He's gay.

[B]

That's.

[A]

But the. I know, I know. I like probably shouldn't say this, but there's like something so unappealing about a guy who's clearly like really finicky about his physical appearance and, and, and also really calculated in his social positioning. Like that's not sexy.

[B]

And like, I mean, you're right, no.

[A]

Amount of like working class larp though. I'm assuming he's. I actually don't know what kind of background. I wouldn't be surprised if he's from like a secretly affluent background, but also wouldn't be surprised if he's like white trash. Don't care.

[B]

Really Hard to say. Yeah, don't know, don't have the facts. Yeah, but I mean he's hot for sure. But yeah, like I wouldn't go good looking lad.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I wouldn't go out of my way to like win his, to charm him or in his favor myself. I don't, you know, but he is exactly the kind of guy that gay guys think is hot.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But because he's is gay. Right? Like he is pretty gay. He's bi gay, whatever.

[A]

He's just a sexual opportunist. And all of these people are clearly using each other. And I was even thinking like Maybe there's some 40 chess move between the girls to cross promote. But that doesn't really add up because Lana has like billions of followers and Ethel Kane has like 4 million and she's, you know, she's a pretty decently well known indie artist, but she's like not nearly on the level it seems.

[B]

Yeah. At first I was like, this is beneath Lana, she shouldn't even. But then I was like, she's is petty. She's been petty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And her music is like part of what makes her music so good is that she is willing to go very, very low brow.

[A]

Yes, that's what a little birdie told me. I have on good authority that she's petty and catty. But you don't really need to even.

[B]

That's. Yeah, you can just listen to her music.

[A]

Okay. Del Rey was rumored to have dated Jack Donahue in 2022. Around that time, the rumored couple posted a since deleted photo of them posing together in front of Chicago's Cook County Jail. Hence the Chicago pose. Kane later posted a photo to her own social media, similarly posing with Donahue. Ew.

[B]

Yeah, that's. They shouldn't.

[A]

Yeah. I was always, like, really, like, personally disgusted by, though. That is very stunt.

[B]

That is very Hsts or whatever. The op. The not. It's very non agp.

[A]

What. What? To be. To be sexually scheming.

[B]

Well, to be, like, sexually competitive with biological females and to sort of gain a kind of, like, affirmation of one's femaleness from the same kinds of guys being attracted to you or whatever or associated with you or whatever. Yeah, that's, like, textbook. Kind of, like, sinister. Tries to, like, get your boyfriend to flirt with her. Yeah.

[A]

But it is such a move to, like, recreate a picture a girl posted with the same guy.

[B]

It's all very coded. Absolutely.

[A]

And then you have to wonder why the guy was in on it and went through with it. I don't know. But to me, like, Lana's so immensely talented that she doesn't. There's really no need for her to soil her hands with all this, like, meme warfare bullshit because her art can simply stand on its own. But I guess it's like grist for the mill or whatever.

[B]

Yeah, she draws. She's allowed to draw inspiration from, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Big. Big and small, kind of. But I think it's, you know, she seems so happily married.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

And in that way, the eth. Ethel. Ethel diss track is kind of like, why do you care? You know? Why do you care?

[A]

No, I know I'm halfway of the mind that. That. That the marriage is also partly meme stunt. Like, I think it has, like, some authentic basis to it. Right. Like, it has to.

[B]

But, I mean, she's really out there on the damn bayou.

[A]

Yeah, I know, but, like, Mary.

[B]

That's why she's so.

[A]

Louisiana bayou, like, gator trapper is a little too on the nose for me.

[B]

She seems happy.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, sure. And.

[B]

We'Ll see. I don't know.

[A]

I don't care. Yeah. I don't really care to, like, psychoanalyze Lana because I'm a fan of her work and I can enjoy it irrespective of the drama, of course. But this all. All goes back because Ethel Kane has, like, a long history of skinwalking Lana. Is that correct?

[B]

Lana has been a big. Lana's been a big influence on many women and homosexuals, undeniably. And so when this. Whatever. Dis track snippet dropped there, people started to kind of connect the dots of, like, Ethel Kane, you know, documenting being a. A Lana fan, and then kind of like later in her career not wanting to be so compared to Lana.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which you should be so lucky.

[A]

Yeah. Wait, here's a quote. Ethel Kane has a long online history with Lana Del Rey, and apparent screenshots from her old DeviantArt account from the 2010s even credited Del Rey as one of her favorite artists circa 2017. Caine also uploaded a cover of Del Rey's Born to Die to the Internet, which she later deleted, but fans have since re uploaded. There are also social media videos of Cain singing parts of Del Rey's Mariner's apartment complex. However, in recent years, Cain has distanced herself from the Del Rey fandom online and seems reticent to admit any connection to the singer.

[B]

What did you read? What article is this?

[A]

I think this is the Vogue. The T. Vogue Explainer.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

As I got older, especially with the social justice movement and the unraveling of the American dream, the unraveling of Hollywood, the unraveling of celebrity culture, it was kind of like it's all a sham. She said at the time, all that glamour and old opulence is built on the backs of hardworking people who will never get the recognition. And it's just sad that you see that. You start to see through. Okay, cool. Thanks.

[B]

Wait for showing. That's okay.

[A]

You said that? Yeah, Nobody asked for. It's like. It reminds me of when that one guy wrote that article about why he stopped listening to the podcast while walking his dog. It's like, you don't have to issue an official statement. People fall, like, in and out of love with artists.

[B]

The. But how is the old glamour? Who. Whose backs is the old glamour? Like, what are you talking about? Actually, for real. For real, though? For real, like, actually. What do you mean by that? What do you mean by the social justice movement? What do you mean by the backs of people?

[A]

Like, huh, she's doing that Doreen St. Felix thing where she's basically, like, tacitly accusing Lana of, like, white capitalism or whatever for exploiting the. The voices of the unheard, like, marginalized voices when she promotes a brand that glorifies, like, money and glamour and sexual violence and whatever.

[B]

But it's so much.

[A]

Which by the way, she's way more.

[B]

Authentic for doing and she's just way more nuanced. Like that's part of it is she's doing the like Marilyn Monroe, like Betty Boop thing, but then she's also doing the white trash Americana thing. It's like, it's. Lana's like so multifaceted in this way that Ethel clearly just is not. It's just making like spooky trans music pop songs.

[A]

Well, I think it's like Caddy and Patty. As Lana can be interpersonally, I'm sure her. She. Her work comes from like divine inspiration, like I. And like artistic intuition. I think it's like probably mostly intuitive. And Ethel Kane seems like a person who's constantly like weighing her moves, which probably compromises her work. I don't know what her music sounds.

[B]

Like, by the way.

[A]

I had the idea of like listening to a song or two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For research. But then I was like, not.

[B]

It's fine, it's fine. It's just never. I don't know.

[A]

Here's another quote. Here's the line between Lana and me. Lana is all facade. She is glamour. She has old Hollywood. She is the peak opulence of the American dream. And for me, I'm like, that's just not what America is. To me, I think America is the bottom line. It's the poor people, the people who have the most affected by the government, by the system. People who are constantly spat on. Good luck making art out of that. Yeah, she's doing this like woke crap thing of pretending to care about Walmart Americans, which she clearly doesn't because she's just also skin walking. Their identity for her brand, their culture is not your costume.

[B]

I mean. Yeah. I don't know Ethel Kane's background. Let's see. Let me look it up.

[A]

Yeah, look it up. She's like Buffalo Bill in the basement section.

[B]

I would be willing to bet that she does have some kind of like chur. Church trauma they call, you know. She, you know, has. Yeah. She's the eldest of four children in a Southern Baptist family. Her father was a deacon. She was in the church choir. Then she began studying. She's from Tallahassee, Florida. She started studying piano at eight. With Christian music. Yeah. Okay. So she left the church at 16. She was homeschooled. So. Yeah. She was from like a Floridian.

[A]

Yeah. She's like literally true detective cult people.

[B]

I mean, it's probably much more banal than that. It's probably just some Normal ass. Like Protestant American, lower class.

[A]

Or not. Or middle class. I don't know. But all of that church, Southern Southern.

[B]

A gooner Southern Baptist. Very poor coded for sure. They're not, you know, she's not like Episcopalian or something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's not from one of the, like, more affluent denominations typically. But it's also, who knows? Like, this is all stuff she says.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Homeschooled. I don't know. But again, when using her powerful male brain. Yes. To say that Lana looks like Peter Griffin, which is just plain rude.

[A]

But true. Kind of true. At the peak of her fat era.

[B]

But of course she's mad. Of course Lana's mad at. Yeah, I would be pissed off too. Yeah. I, I, I'd pen the dis track.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially for someone. Yeah. Who is like, so much less famous but is doing a very similar quirked up kind of thing. There's videos on Tick Tock of like, you know, Lana did the early in her career. She did like, the photo shoot with the tattooed guy. And then like, Ethel did a similar. Sorry, I don't know why I keep saying Ethel.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's like, it's so ESL of me.

[A]

I know. It's like when I was calling Mickey what is Mikey? And I think you tried to, like, help me, but I.

[B]

It's okay.

[A]

It's okay. It's not even her real name. Trannies love having names like Sybil and Hestia. Like, it's always like some weird witchy thing.

[B]

Sybil's on my short. On my short list for baby names, but damn it, is it. But maybe not anymore.

[A]

No, not any.

[B]

Maybe it's all too. It's trans coded, quirked up and trans. Yeah.

[A]

And then there's also this, like, subplot about how she had to recently apologize for, like, the unsavory unearthed posts that were originally posted to subreddit dedicated to her. Screen grabs include her responses to questions on a Q and A platform called Curious Cat, where she admitted to using the N word and wrote build the wall. There was also a screenshot of her wearing a shirt that read Legalize incest, along with posts mocking people who use they them pronouns, making fat jokes and jokes about rape. This makes her sound cool and funny.

[B]

Well, we're not mad at that.

[A]

Yeah, but she was also Team Ethel.

[B]

But no, but she was. Yeah, she was. She made some, like, kind of pedophilic drawings.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

As well. That like. Or she was just doing Edge. Lord, she was.

[A]

She's just like me. For real.

[B]

She was doing Edge Lord on the Internet, which I don't believe in getting mad at people about.

[A]

That's humanizing.

[B]

But now she's really. I mean, I guess she hasn't really done anything. Lana just exposed. Well, later in a comment, this is like, because there was the song. And then in a comment on Instagram, Lana Del Rey said that she doesn't know Ethel, but that she made. You know, she compared her to cartoon characters and like, on beastly animals and stuff that she was like, that she had on good authority that Ethel was being cruel to her about her and on her online. So now that is what, like, people are. That's where the beef really is. But Ethel hasn't really done anything.

[A]

Yes, Lana started this and only she could get away with it because anybody else, if they like, like, began a smear campaign against another artist or a.

[B]

An artist of trans experience, especially just.

[A]

Like on the basis of, like, private correspondences or posts or whatever, would be like, completely called out. But most people are obviously siding with. I'm so brain dead right now. My, my brain elasticity is like, oh.

[B]

No, no, it's okay.

[A]

No, no, it's fine. It's hard to do remote.

[B]

It really is. It's just not the same.

[A]

No.

[B]

Sorry, folks. It's not going to be our best, but we're trying.

[A]

But we, we love you so much that we're making it happen.

[B]

We love our, our fans, don't we?

[A]

Nick Fuentes does give me the courage to stand in contempt of our fans who are really our haters. I'm like, wait a minute. Why, why am I being nice and patient with these people? Why do I respond to their DMs? I mean, at least we're not beholden to super true.

[B]

We don't have to do super chats.

[A]

True.

[B]

Yeah, we're not total.

[A]

Well, there's always time.

[B]

But who was it? I think it was Candace Owens. She. Riley was like, randomly listening to her show and she did some bit where she, like, read some fan mail about Brave. She was like. She was like, and here's a note from a listener who's thanking me for my bravery or something. I was like, that'll be me and Anna should get into that. Just start creating probably like, and here's the propaganda portion of the show where we'll read letters from the fans that are like, you both are so beautiful. Great episode once again. Yeah.

[A]

It's like, actually there's a silent majority of people who think we're really beautiful and smart and brave for what we do. And they send us private messages all the time explaining that the most vocal haters are the 10% of those who are severely mentally ill.

[B]

I like this. I like the sound of that. Yeah.

[A]

Actually, look at all of these people lining up to commend me for my service and podcasting. I think Richard Hanania did that. He, like, manufactured some fake, like, chatgpts prompt about what a great guy he was.

[B]

That's crazier than, like, clapping back at haters is, like, making up.

[A]

Yeah. Fans, like, even if you don't make it up and it's authentic, you should, like, never publicize that. And also, like, real talk. Like, I get a few of those here and there, but most of the fans, like, reaching out to me are basically like, hey, girl, where'd you get that bag? Or, like, come to my restaurant in cdmx. I'll make you a martini. It's like, that level, which is nice, and I appreciate.

[B]

Sweet. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, it is sweet.

[B]

It's better than, like, the. The sycophants and the haters. Trump and Putin had a summit.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Well, before we get to that, I guess my question is, like, what is the ultimate effect of this, like, stupid fake? The Ethel beef? Like, Lana obviously comes out on top, but will it really impact Ethel Kane's career?

[B]

No, probably not. It'll only help her, actually.

[A]

It's just a pure aisle diversion.

[B]

Wake up, sheeple. I don't think they're going to work it out on the remix, as people say. Yeah, but I could be wrong. I could be, you know, I'm just as stupid as everyone else and susceptible to marketing and, you know, am like, oh, no, people. People don't think lan is a. A genius the way they should. I'll lie awake at night thinking about that garbage. Sure, why not? I don't. Yeah. I mean, maybe it's all, we're all pawns in the grand scheme, and they're gonna have a track that. But I doubt it. I think Lana's just being. Is genuinely upset and.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Being a cancer.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, is she a cancer?

[B]

She's like Gemini Cusp.

[A]

Okay, so she crazy. Okay, so she's, like, schizoid and moody. Damn.

[B]

Yeah. But so talented.

[A]

That's why she's so talented. Yeah.

[B]

An incredible star once. Yeah. Like, to me, truly, like, Morrissey tier.

[A]

Yeah. I agree. I think, like, Lana is our generation's Morrissey. I know that sounds, like, glib and fake and whatever, but I'm, like, a person who's historically, like, unexcitable. And unenthused.

[B]

Yeah. And she like.

[A]

Of. Of all the like pop starlets I can think of, she's like the only one who struck a chord with me. Her and Nicki Minaj randomly who's a.

[B]

Fan of the song. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because Nikki's also so like fierce and talented and it's like hard for me to believe that like a woman like that, that hip hop would have such a talented woman of my generation. Because it seems like everybody else kind.

[B]

Of sucks now or like has like one song that's good and then can't sustain or. I mean, Rihanna's amazing, but she just stopped making music completely. Which respect to her, but very cool. But we've been waiting for a long time and she's like doing like an original song for the Smurf style two movies. You just get her back.

[A]

She doesn't give a. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't either. I don't Same. Like I said, I find her. You find her very relatable cuz she's your natal twin. I find her relatable cuz she like had kids and got out the game like that. That gray matter is fried. She doesn't feel like doing anything. She doesn't need to.

[B]

She made it out Barbados.

[A]

Yeah, she's good. Okay, so the Russia summit stuff, I have no idea what's going on.

[B]

Basically nothing. Putin and Trump met up. Putin admitted that the war wouldn't have started if Trump had won the last election.

[A]

That's cool.

[B]

Which is probably true. And like I definitely emotionally felt that way when the war started. But it's just such a female. It's so female and like point, like it's so pointless to say because he's not agreeing to a ceasefire or. Well, I don't know. I'm trusting the plan. I think Trump is gonna make a deal. I saw on CNN he was caught on a hot mic telling someone that Putin wants to make a deal with him and they clearly like each other. He let Putin ride at the limousine. They were both like deferential in different ways. Putin came to Alaska, which is obviously America, but also so, you know, they.

[A]

Brought out the Orthodox Russian territory and.

[B]

Like so close to Russia, it's like right there. So they brought out the Orthodox priests and the graves and it's all. It's like always very like diplomatic. The diplomacy seemed good. But then apparently today Trump met with Zelensky and Zelensky is not being super cooperative. But they're still going to do a trilateral meeting.

[A]

Yeah, well, he can't he can't be super co cooperative because his livelihood, his ego, probably his life depends on this forever war.

[B]

Enough is enough. Enough is enough.

[A]

No, like, what happens if the war stops? What happens to Zelensky specifically? Like, he flees to Israel or gets brutally murdered Gaddafi style?

[B]

Well, part of the deal. Initially, Trump went in saying he wanted to see a ceasefire. They met for two hours, then they split up. Then Trump took no questions and then he revised and said, no, there's no ceasefire. There's going to be a peace agreement and he's going to broker it. But then in the meeting with Zelensky, there was also, like, Macron and were there, like, Euro people who. They're negotiating, like, security because they can't just. Russia doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO, obviously, but now there's this war. And so they need, like, security protections if they are going to withdraw troops. That can protect Ukraine, even if they concede territories which Zelensky doesn't seem to want to do. It's all I just want. Yeah, I think they gotta work it out. It's so long. It's been so long. How many more Ukrainians do we even have?

[A]

I mean, yes, we have.

[B]

So many have died. How. Enough is enough. Like, at a certain point, Zelinsky is going to do the math, like, of he's not going to win. Well. And, like, how much death is he going to be responsible for?

[A]

Well, that's why it's in his interest to prolong this war, much like Netanyahu, because that's the only way that he stays, like, in the good graces of NYT libtards.

[B]

But at a certain point, don't you care about your legacy? Like, broadly, like, how much blood are you gonna get soaked in before.

[A]

No, I know, but I suspect that, like, his legacy is secondary to his life. Like, he wants to save his life. He's. So if the war ends, they're not gonna kill him. I wouldn't be surprised. He's like, he'll go live in Estonia.

[B]

Yeah, he can go. I mean, Putin also said at the summit that he has no intention of attacking any European or Eastern European countries. There's no interest for him. Right, to do that, that he is a rational actor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I feel like Trump's making inroads. It's just the deal. Sometimes the deal takes a little longer. It's an art, you know, it takes as long as it takes.

[A]

It's just nice to know that even world leaders are, like, susceptible to the same psychological impulses that we're all. And like, under the influence of. And like, Putin and Trump just want to be, like, seen and understood by some other guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they've, like, achieved that together.

[B]

They have a nice friendship. Yeah, they have a good.

[A]

Yeah. Because I think Putin probably feels also historic. He's like. He's like Fuentes entering the back door of sovereign house or whatever. Like, he feels, like, historically, like, shut out. Exactly. Maligned by the, quote, international community.

[B]

And he's got the upper hand because the decadent west is so bad. I mean, morally, not like, strategically, like, you know. Yeah, he is maligned. But then Russia does have. It's like the sanctity kind of of its, like, you know, Eastern thing that they have going on over there. Even though they're totally corrupt. They're so bad. Russian people are so bad. And it's like. And you do just have to, like, there is. You have to just. You have to make a deal, because otherwise they'll keep killing you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, Russia doesn't. There's way more people in Russia than Ukraine, and they've got. They. They will are. This is not a winnable war.

[A]

Well, it is as long as, like, Western and global interests are in. Like, as long as it remains like a proxy war, then it's pretty stable. It's like, but America.

[B]

But Trump wants. Trump wants the deal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're not going to give them those Biden bucks anymore and they can get some EU troops. But, like, good luck.

[A]

Yeah. I guess my big question is whether it's even possible to put an end to any war in this day and age. It seems that they all just become forever wars and like.

[B]

Or like some kind of indefinite period of, like, occupation or something.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

I mean, we didn't. We're not in a war with Iran.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

And that was, you know, Trump kept us out.

[A]

Yeah. Did you see? I was mostly scandalized by Zelensky's fit because he finally got out of the khaki dress, put on a suit.

[B]

He went to apc.

[A]

Yeah. No. Yes.

[B]

He went to the APC surplus store and got a suit and was, like, smiling instead of being a sour pussy.

[A]

Yeah. Like a medium black suit that looks like he bought it on Yuke's Men of the World. Like, please take my advice. Like, when in doubt, size up. Men don't understand this.

[B]

They have, like, the opposite of body dysmorphia, where they think they're somehow smaller than they are.

[A]

Yeah. Or they think that, like, women want to see, like.

[B]

No.

[A]

The curve of their thigh and their dick outline. And they absolutely don't like. Women want to see you looking relaxed and confident.

[B]

Baggy.

[A]

Baggy, yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Almost.

[B]

Yeah. Basically baggy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Suit supply. It wasn't even suit supply. It was like clown. He's such a clown. Like, literally professionally and in his affects, like, it was such a, like, clownish suit to wear.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it was nice. He made the effort. See, everyone's playing ball with.

[A]

Yes. But he looks like a little boy going to a wedding.

[B]

Yeah. He looks like Lenny in my wedding cake cutting pictures.

[A]

True. I was really miffed because I got Lenny, like the preppy J Crew fit. It's like a blue blazer, white oxford shirt, blue chinos and ivy soft moccasin loafer. And like, he couldn't keep it on and wriggled out of it and it was like, all soiled and stained. I literally had to throw all of it out because it was like, undry cleanable. But he had a lot of fun.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, my wedding dress is like f. Destroyed. Yeah. And I'm like, what am I going to do? Get it. Who cares?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'll just like hold on to it as is.

[A]

Yeah. And like, try to fit into it when you're like 70 or 80.

[B]

I'm sure I'll even be baggy on me because all my bones will be all frail and broken after my second hib hospitalization Once my immunization wears off.

[A]

The girls getting osteoporosis from lifelong low grade eating disorder.

[B]

It's in the cards, but it's not the worst thing to have. Just be really careful. I'm already so clumsy. I'm gonna be so careful when I'm old.

[A]

Well, the benefit of a white cotton dress is that you can just bleach it. Right.

[B]

I mean, not that this is like a Seal Chapman dress from the 40s. I'd have to get it like dry cleaned.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like repair. It's like torn and stuff too.

[A]

I see.

[B]

Because I was going hard, but I don't care. I don't need it.

[A]

Why do.

[B]

I'm never going to wear it again. Like, why would I wear my wedding dress again? Psychotic break. Yeah. Like, hopefully I don't want to put that. That on again. It's okay. Can be the dress I wore on a momentous day and not like, in good condition. Whatever. Let me see what else I have about.

[A]

Oh, no. I was just thinking about how Zelensky is a lot like Momdani and that he's a litmus test. I'M so jealous that you can smoke because I'm sitting in Pepe's gallery office and, like, clearly can't do that.

[B]

Right.

[A]

There's, like, some Mexican dude up on the roof.

[B]

They're all Mexican in Mexico.

[A]

Yeah, I know, I know, I know. But I mean, like, Mexican. Mexican. Not white Mexican. Not. Not of Iberian derivation or whatever.

[B]

Anna's in Mexico, I'm in Mexico. Yeah, everyone's Mexican.

[A]

True. Oh, yes. Yeah. Zelensky is just like. I don't know how anybody can look at that guy and be like, oh, he's. He's an appealing or attractive person. He has a winning personality. Like, how do you. Like, like, it seriously calls your question and your judge or your character and your judgment into question. If you look at a guy like Zelensky, like, what a. What a great guy.

[B]

Well, Zelensky is a big star in Ukraine. He's literally.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Comedic actor.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So for us, yeah, we see. We see this, like, phony guy who's literally an actor. But it'd be like. Like Joe. Like when people were talking about how George Clooney running for president or something like that, where it's like, people in Ukraine associate him with, like, levity and, you know, I mean, not anymore.

[A]

Celebrity. No, but I'm not even talking.

[B]

Yeah, he was like. He was like.

[A]

I mean, like. I mean, like, Westerners, Americans specifically.

[B]

Well, they're just, you know, I don't know, deranged. I mean.

[A]

Yeah. It's like I told you the story of, like, when I was in SF and I made the pilgrimage to one of these, like, trendy, fashionable bakeries. It's highly recommended. Unfortunately, Libtards do certain things well, and that includes, like, their. They do a lot of food and service culture. It's very nice and classy.

[B]

Berserkley is lovely.

[A]

Yeah, it is. Yeah. And you have, like, the Jurassic park landscapes and the beautiful architecture. It's really, like, magical place. I feel like L. Ron Hubbard on China. Like, beautiful place. If it weren't for the Chinese or whatever. And, like, I was standing in, like, a line, which I hate to do because it's shameful and undignified. And there was, like, this old boomer couple behind me. The thing with. With, like, Pacific Northwest boomers is that they look really good.

[B]

Berkeley's not the Pacific Northwest.

[A]

Oh, it isn't. Shit. I thought anything like SF and above was Pacific Northwest, but same difference.

[B]

I wouldn't like Portland, Seattle.

[A]

Like, crunchy. Like, I'd say even more people.

[B]

Even. Even more so in the Pacific Northwest.

[A]

It's.

[B]

Yeah. It's real. But like, SF is like the ideal almost.

[A]

Yeah. Or the, the Platonic ideal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Of lip tardation.

[B]

Of like crunchy. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

They're like fit, attractive. They look good for their age. The women are all very like, handsome and stately. They look good without makeup. They're not like bimbified. They seem like intelligent and independent and the level of discourse is just so, like, mind numbing. It's like honey. Studies show that new research reveals that people gain weight from eating processed foods, even those considered healthy. Like, this was literally what these people were saying in the bakery line. And I was think, looking at them like, oh, they must have like 20, 30 years of marriage on their heads. And like, that's. They've spent their entire lives interacting, like, interfacing like that.

[B]

Like npr.

[A]

Yeah. Which again is why I love the term false consciousness, because it was obviously invented by Marxists to malign and insult their enemies, but it actually absolutely applies to progressives more than anyone. Like, they just truly like, live in a bubble.

[B]

I mean, definitely, especially over there, but California just in general, like, as lovely as LA as you do, to me, I'm like, it's. I can't live in this way. That's just like the level of detachment in California, broadly, but especially the Bay Area, because they're extra hypocritical. At least in la, they're like vapid.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But everyone is just like, checked out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like vaguely liberal because they want to be good and they don't really know what's going on. Like, that's just what happens.

[A]

Well, yeah, this woman also did say to her husband that she was sort of kind of bemoaning the fact that some store in Berkeley was closing due to Trump because it was entirely run by illegals, undocumented immigrants or whatever. And it just like. Well, just like take that statement apart and analyze it, you dumb bitch. Like, what are you talking about? And also, you don't even care.

[B]

That's the thing. Well, they're really like ubermenschian, actually in the grand scheme, because they live like that. They're fabulously rich. They don't actually care. They get to pretend that they do and they get to feel like they have a moral high ground.

[A]

Yes. And like, they're extremely selfish people. And I don't mean that in a negative way. I think, you know, to some extent it's good to be selfish. But these are people who are basically motivated by staying rich and fit. They care about their money and they care about their bodies.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. They're godless. They don't really believe in anything.

[A]

Yeah. They're, like, donating their inheritance to charity and, like, writing their children out of the will, though, actually, I think that's probably an overblown meme.

[B]

I don't think that's. I mean, when I lived. I lived in Berkeley, I worked for a woman who. And this was like, 2012, 2011. So a while ago. But she. I won't dox her, but she had twins at the age of 50 via IBS.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's. Hence the twins, you know. But was just so, like, scatterbrained and like, an academic and just, like, selfish and then, like, forgot to have kids and then had these kids super duper late in her life. Which regard, like, we don't have to talk about IVF or whatever, but, like, it's just so selfish to have a kid that old. And you can't. The chasm between them. They, like, could barely understand each other. It was like, you know, you're like, you're lady.

[A]

Yeah. She, like, doesn't really want to take care of them. Is probably outsourcing their care.

[B]

I mean, at this point, they were like, teens and she was in her 70s and like a. Like, you know, struggling and had, like, teenage kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that was. Yeah, that's very Berkeley and.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

Is this kind of like boomer? And that's because they came out of the, like, the quintessentially boomer 1960s at Pippi. It's. If Didian was alive today. No, I'm sure she's seen it. But that, like, it's. It's the slouching towards Bethlehem, like, taken to its logical conclusion after it gets, like, commodified and processed and then becomes this other, like, twisted evil thing.

[A]

Yeah. It's like that mixed with, like, MAU Mauing and the flak catchers or whatever. It's like literally. Literally Didian meets Wolf.

[B]

And they want to feel countercultural because they have all this nostalgia for their youth. But they were delusional then and they're delusional now.

[A]

Yeah. And they don't know. And so, like, my attitude toward them is like, I can't help but feel some level of, like, pity.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And compassion. Even though they would have no such pity or compassion for me.

[B]

Well, I think as individual, like, most, you know, people are well meaning.

[A]

Yes, of course.

[B]

It's like there's, you know, they're doing their best.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[B]

Like, our. When our Generation is old. People will be mad at us for, like, selling everyone out onto the algorithm or whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When the AI is like, destroying everyone's life, people are gonna be like. It was those millennials who didn't, like, understand, understand that the Internet was a bad deal.

[A]

It was those Red Scare girls who said, cheat on him, get an abortion.

[B]

Live your best life. You go, girl.

[A]

Should we talk about Doreen St. Felix? Yes. I really like when people from, like, my past lives come up again in a new context.

[B]

Yeah. Remind me, because she's one of those. There's like a kind of maybe a half a dozen women, bipoc women who have kind of quirky names who don't, like, like, you or me or, like, have emerged into my TV at some point. And she's one of them. But I don't remember.

[A]

I don't know if she was an active Red Scare hater. I don't recall having any run ins with her. But I do vaguely remember her from back in the day as part of that, like, New York literary scene that included, like, Gia Tolentino and Sarah Nicole Prickett and a bunch of other bitches that, like, randomly hate us. And what's the redhead one who always has her titties out? Yeah, that one. And, like, all these people are obviously, like, what you call, like, limousine liberals or, like, champagne socialists and that. They're, like, super progressive.

[B]

I was actually, no. This is gonna sound like such a woke toddler thing, but I was deadass talking to a guy from the Bronx who happened to come to my church on Sunday who was a correctional officer. And he kept saying. He kept talking about how, mom, Donnie's a caviar communist. He said, you know what that is? I sure do. So I said, I know. He was like, talked to this guy for a good 30 minutes of us just, like, agreeing with each, like, everything he said. I was like, I agree. Yep. And then I'd say something. He'd say, absolutely. We were just going, exactly.

[A]

You know that Leon Trotsky apparently briefly lived in the Bronx.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

It's so funny because, like, if that guy was alive today, he'd be like, on Twitter.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Being an annoying Jew.

[B]

Being a cat, Being such an annoying Jew. Oh, my God, Frida Kahlo posting her tits and stuff. It'd be a nightmare. They're so lucky. They got to, like, you know, Frida Kahlo would be so.

[A]

So.

[B]

I mean, she. I already. Already think she's pretty annoying, but, like, if she was around today.

[A]

Yeah, she would be Insufferable.

[B]

She'd be showing whole and being the worst.

[A]

She'd be like a woke feminist artist who took like, nude photos of herself to, like, seize the means of production and represent marginalized communities in spite of being totally Jewish, which few know. But she and Clarice Lispector are not Latinas at all. They're just Ashkenazis. And I am gonna name them, but I. I'm gonna do the good little tourist thing and, like, go to the Trotsky and Kahlo houses tomorrow and check them out because I believe it's by.

[B]

That really nice restaurant we went to last time.

[A]

Which one?

[B]

The lot. The place we went.

[A]

Oh, San Anhal. In.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like in that neighborhood.

[A]

Yeah. Word.

[B]

So definitely worth seeing. Sure, whatever. It's like, it's transcend. As you know, Frida Kahlo is like Marilyn Monroe where it's like she's transcended into this other category.

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

She's Tweety Bird, She's Betty Boop. It's like its own. You go to a Mexican restaurant, there's like a weird fake fake painting of her drinking a latte.

[A]

Yeah, like, great. Yeah. I love Frida Kahlo playing on her phone. Yeah.

[B]

But anyway. Doreen St. Felix is a writer for the New Yorker.

[A]

Yeah, here, I'll pull it up. She's. She has been a staff writer at the New Yorker since 2017 and is a regular contributor to the weekly column Critics Notebook. According to her New Yorker profile, she was previously an editor at large at Lenny Letter, a newsletter by actress Lena Dunham, and was a colleague cultural writer at MTV News. All humans are not the reason the earth is in peril, she wrote. White capitalism is. Despite her DISDAIN for capitalism, St. Felix appears to benefit from its fruits. Her address is listed as a 1.3 million home in a gated Brooklyn community which faces a pretty marina. Anyway, she's currently under fire because people are digging up her Chris Rufo old anti white Twitter post. Yeah, of course.

[B]

Did Chris Rufo get this thing? Get this thing?

[A]

Yeah, he got the memo. Yeah. Where she's saying things like, whiteness must be abolished. Whiteness fills me with a lot of hate. I would be heartbroken if I had kids with a white man. Yeah, that's not true. You know, she would get the, like, jump at the chance to get knocked up by a white girl.

[B]

What do you mean heartbroken?

[A]

Yeah. And when she. When she finally does get married and have kids, it will be with a white man. I Am willing to place money on that.

[B]

You heard her, she's willing to put money on it.

[A]

Folks, I, she's not marrying a black guy. No way. No. And if, if she does marry, it's gonna be some like Adam Sorwar as mulatto dude.

[B]

Well, that's something. There are, they are, there are some maybe like a Nigerian guy from like, yeah. Rich family or something.

[A]

Well, and all of this came to light because she like penned some essay about the Sydney Sweeney American Eagle ad campaign where she refers to her as an Aryan princess, which obviously drew the ire of like Chris Rufo and other right wing activists.

[B]

But that's exactly what American Eagle is doing. We just, we've, we've just, we've red scare talks about this.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. And they're not, they're obviously not doing it in an ideologically invested way. They're doing it in, in economically opportunistic way. Sure, blah, blah, blah. And then she's since deleted her socials. I hate white men. You are all the worst. Go nurse your Oedipal complexes and leave the earth to the browns and the women. Come on, how's that going for you?

[B]

No way. But yeah, browns and women. Yeah. What are you talking about?

[A]

Yeah, you want all the white.

[B]

You don't want browns and women. Only brown men and women.

[A]

So you can pen your essays.

[B]

Well, the Indian guys. Yeah, true bipoc.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe we don't need the white men. We'll get the Indian guys through the tech support. The black guys to play basketball, the Mexican guys to do the daily. What other. Oh yeah, Arab guys. I don't really want them on the scene.

[A]

We'll get them to do the raping.

[B]

They're all doing the raping.

[A]

They're all doing the raping.

[B]

They're all doing the raping. That's the thing.

[A]

Everybody but white men is doing the raping. But online conservatives obviously get super fired up over this sort of thing because it like reveals the underlying hypocrisy of the anti racist movement which claims to want like equity and empathy and justice for all, but is really like in practice just means racism for everyone.

[B]

Super racist.

[A]

Yeah. Who don't, who don't exist. They don't have a culture. But yet they should be punished for all of their historic crimes against everybody else, such as introducing them to electricity and education, good table manners, so on and so forth. And obviously they're pissed off because white culture and white people are under threat of being replaced. Blah, blah, blah.

[B]

I mean, colonial. Okay, I'll Cons. I'm willing to concede that colonialism was like a violent process.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But just at what point the notion of like some kind of reversal or like reparations that were owed became common? Like that was just something people started to say. Like I didn't feel like didn't used to be the case. Like you could talk about the violence of colonialism without this kind of like guilty, like, like, like karmic debt atmosphere that emerged after like social media probably.

[A]

I mean because like realistically people be.

[B]

Doing colonial studies, but they were just, they were pretty benign.

[A]

I don't know. I think that they were probably pretty hateful and insidious, but just the, the means and like methods of transition were much slower because this was the pre Internet era. But certainly all the stuff that Rufo talks about in his book, like with.

[B]

Right. His whole thing is it's all downstream from academia. Right, Right, right.

[A]

Like I'm not entirely convinced by his thesis, but it's not entirely wrong either. And like I can, I can obviously sympathize with the outrage of people like him and his followers and I think they have a point and so on and so forth, but I feel like it also bears repeating how mindless and reflexive all of this stuff is in like elite lived hard circles because these people are just saying what's expected of them. And the only reason it looks so bad now is because what was fashionable a few years ago is out of fashion now.

[B]

Exactly. Like she's not actually being like, if these were contemporary posts, they would be anti social and like, you know, everyone would plainly see kind of. But at the time, within the context of whatever feed she was existing in at that point, everyone was saying stuff like that. I feel like everyone was constantly like, you know, she was, she basically did nothing wrong.

[A]

Remember there was like, I mean I'm actually like disproving my point here but you know, I, I don't remember how long ago this was but five, ten years ago that guy George Cicarello Maher Meyer who was like a, you know, a white academic, had that viral, heavily contested tweet that was like all I want for Christmas is white genocide. And he was obviously joking. Haha Teehee. But not. And then like secondly, every single one of their like protestations is like, contains a secret wish. It's like Handmaid's Tale shit.

[B]

Right? If I had a baby, like why even. If I had a baby with a. Why even say that? Why are you even. You're. That's where you're Thinking about that. Like, you think about how sad you.

[A]

Would be if you had a white psychotic. That sounds like, if I had a. If I had kids with a white man, I would drive us all into a lake.

[B]

Just the thought. The thought process of even, like, pondering a hypothetical in which you have children with a white man and then having. And then.

[A]

Which means you've pondered it.

[B]

Which means you are pondering it to it. And then like, quickly kind of like creating psychological scaffolding about how that's something you don't want. When you are fantasizing, it's like it's Freud. It's Freud 101. Like, you're fantasizing about something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then are convincing yourself that you hate it. And because you hate, you can't take responsibility for your own desires. I've been saying this for years, people. So true.

[A]

And the whole system incentivizes you to not do so. And what this really comes down to, of course, is that these people enjoy and benefit from the patronage and largesse of having a predominantly white audience in a primarily white cultural paradigm, and in fact, could not exist without it. And they know it, too. And I think that they probably experienced quite a bit of shame over this reality, though they kind of willfully confuse the nature of it. Like, you wouldn't be amiss in attributing their, like, political and ideological attacks to, like, personal and professional jealousy. Like, she just sounds, like, envious. But, like, you know, it's like what we were talking about on, like, the Ta Nehisi Coates episode. It's not purely jealousy of white people as, like, online conservatives would like to think. It's also the shame of, like, being not black enough. That's what really sticks in their craw.

[B]

Right. Like, because, like, you know, more people who have a more authentic black American experience, like, might have hostility towards whites. And a lot of them do do in some form, but it's not like something they're, like, actively seething over.

[A]

Yeah. Because they. They outlive in their lives, going to cookouts, shooting sideways, whatever. But yeah, it's. Yeah. The big issue is not that they're not white enough, it's that they're not black enough. This goes for, like, Nicole Hannah Jones, Ta Nehisi Coates, Jamelle Bowie, like, virtually any black writer pundit on, like, the NYT circuit. They know deep down inside that they're not accepted by their own kind because they're not poor enough, they're not hard enough, they're too educated, they're nerds yeah.

[B]

They're. Yeah. Black nerds.

[A]

They're, like, quick on the uptake. They're not quick with the clapbacks.

[B]

Not. Not street smart. Yeah.

[A]

And also, like, in addition, because they all. They know that black people, like, normal black people, don't really care about, like, going to museums or reading confessional prose, no matter like, how many sneaker head exhibitions you put on at the Brooklyn Museum. Like, so that fills them with a lot of confusion and shame. And of course, like, they all make, like, racial identity and racial dynamics their core brand because they know that they can't.

[B]

Well, do without it.

[A]

They can't stand on their own.

[B]

There was just a period of time where that sort of thing was, like, of course, you had to take the leverage you had, and that was major for. For them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But for black. For black nerds.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you would, you know, bipoc Win. Bipoc. Black indigenous person of color, where they had to come up with a separate category.

[A]

Mm.

[B]

Because POC was applying to too many, like, Asians and Arabs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They were, like, trying to get in on the. On the race hustle. So then they said, no, bipoc. It's black people and indigenous people only.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, this phenomenon isn't exclusive to, like, educated elite blacks. It's. It's also, like, educated elite Asians, Muslims, you name it. Like, anyone who's not a white person basically has to do, like, the racial grift. But, like, they know. Like, they know deep down inside that they're mediocre. Diversity hires could not exist or stand on their own if not for this moment. It's, like, very obvious, and it must. You know, I have a lot of sympathy for them too, because it must fill their hearts with, like, dread and pain.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, my most charitable read on, like, seeing all those tweets in aggregate is like, she probably had a bad experience with, like, a white guy and was, like, drunk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've certainly gone online and said whatever. You know, sometimes you're just saying whatever. I'm not. Yeah. Personally, I can't be one to get, like, too worked up about people's tweets because I've, like, been under the influence and, like, said stuff online.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Enough times. Or just been, you know, under the influence of, like, hormones or whatever.

[A]

Yeah. I'm not. That's what I'm saying. I'm not as incensed at Doreen St. Felix's tweets as, like, Chris Rufo is, because I sort of get it. And she's also suffering from false consciousness and has to make this about white people oppressing black people when there's clearly some underlying, again, like personal or professional jealousy that's motivating these outbursts. Or she's just trying to like fit in with her cohort.

[B]

Yeah, it's. Everyone's like at any, you know, you're. They're of the time. They're of an era when it was like, okay, you know, everyone kind of was saying stuff like that.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean, I still do it just like now since like cancel culture or whatever has become an all purpose phenomenon. And it's not just leftists doing the canceling anymore. People are just more openly up in arms about it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And you're no longer a protected class if you like spew anti white hatred.

[B]

What's Rufo's end game? He's just drawing attention to. He's waging his culture war.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question.

[B]

Because with, with his. The stuff. The stuff with the school districts, that made sense that he wanted to like reform. He wanted educational reform.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What does he want to reform? The New Yorker. Like the New Yorker is going to be.

[A]

Reform social media, whatever.

[B]

Like that's just what it is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't want like a base New Yorker.

[A]

Yes, totally.

[B]

Let them, let them libs do their thing.

[A]

Yeah, they're good.

[B]

They're pretty good at it.

[A]

Lighthearted New Yorker that you can read as a parody.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good question. I don't really know what he's on about these days. Yeah, I think. Yeah. Like this, this stuff has to like. Yeah. He was his most effective when he was getting.

[B]

He has a new book coming out. I guess. So he's. That makes sense, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Word.

[A]

So he's like Lana and Ethel. He's manufacturing fighting with hood rats on Twitter. Just kidding. Doreen St. Felix is not a hood rat, which she's really upset about. She wishes she was. I'm trying to pull up her Holocaust tweet, but my service is bad.

[B]

What was her Holocaust tweet? Oh, she's Haitian American.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But born in Canarsie.

[A]

Yeah, she's.

[B]

So she went to Brown. Good for her. You know, if I could do it all again, I'd go to an Ivy League school.

[A]

That's her main defining feature. It's not that she's black, it's that she went to Brown. Truly, that's what pisses people off.

[B]

I could have gone about themselves.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I could have gone to Brown.

[A]

True. Yeah.

[B]

No I. I mean, I didn't.

[A]

No, I'm sure you could have if.

[B]

I. Yeah, I had a. A different order of operations.

[A]

Whatever.

[B]

It doesn't matter. I'm so happy to have my. I still. I know I still sound dumb, but I feel like when we did our last pot, I was still kind of like, addled from the hospital. And then like a couple days after that, like, I actually felt like my cognitive function return. And I'm so grateful for it. Like, it rocks.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just be able to think, you know, and defend yourself and stuff is nice.

[A]

That's how I feel.

[B]

Advocate.

[A]

Drink for one day.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, ooh, I have so much clarity. I'm so lucid. My brain is firing on all cylinders. And then I'm like, I feel so good. I could just have a drink. Google. Google the Holocaust tweet. Because I don't have service and I'm kind of. I'm thinking that I should maybe jump on one of these weird Mexican wi Fi's, but I don't really want my identity stolen right now.

[B]

The Holocaust. She says whiteness fills me with a lot of hate and that the Holocaust is the worst thing to happen to black people. I don't really understand what that means.

[A]

Oh, yes, because of Israel. Oh, here, here it is. I think she's referring to this.

[B]

She described what she called. Okay, the Holocaust gesture writing that quote. It's trichnological when white people invoke the Holocaust because this allows them to step out of their whiteness and slip on fake oppression.

[A]

I love how you scratch a black person and find an anti Semite every single time. It's so great.

[B]

She also wrote that the Holocaust birth trauma studies and claimed it quote explains a lot about why we get so many things wrong about how trauma comes.

[A]

Well, the. Also the funny thing about black anti Semitism is that black people hate the Jews not because they're Jewish, they hate.

[B]

Them because they're white and like, extra smart.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Even amongst the whites.

[A]

I had to. Okay, here I was asking because I just learned what trick knowlogy is.

[B]

Do you know what technology is? No, no, no. What's technology?

[A]

It's a term particularly used within the Nation of Islam to describe the perceived manipulative tactics and deceptive strategies employed by white people to maintain. To maintain power and oppress others, especially black people. It's associated with the idea that white people use trickery and a lack of empathy to usurp power and control. This concept is rooted in the Nation of Islam's teachings about the origins of white people. Specifically the story of Yaqub. In this narrative, Yakub, a scientist, created a grafted or devil race through selective breeding which is characterized by trickery and a propensity for deception. This technology is then used to dominate and exploit others.

[B]

I'm sitting my white ass down because this sounds. This sounds a lot like.

[A]

Yeah, well it sounds a lot, a lot like the tactics and strategies that like woke tards use to deceive and manipulate people. But it's like mad funny that all of these black theorists and thinkers perceive just being a standard deviation more intelligent as using trickery and deception to get ahead. They think it's some kind of Jewish devil magic and not the fact that you're literally just smarter and a better systems thinker and can iterate through the steps of a process and can see how certain actions have consequences.

[B]

We'll see what the Holocaust with the Holocaust. What the Holocaust is, Anna, is a money making machine that uses technology to print money for Jewish people.

[A]

So true, Dasha.

[B]

The money making machine run on trick knowledge. Did you wait, did you watch the clip of Eric Adams? I know it was kind of long. Ish.

[A]

Nah nah, nah, nah.

[B]

It was a little long for what it was, but it was because he was. Someone asked him about how mom Donnie wants to decriminalize sex work or whatever. And Eric Adams is like what? He said no one should be on the. On the body selling on the street selling they body. I just don't believe in that. And then he goes I'm a Christian. I'm a. I'm a God fearing man. And he says I don't know where in his Quran it says that that's okay.

[A]

I also love when black people are Islamophobic. That's cool too. Like I love when Azalea Banks does it.

[B]

She got an award for it.

[A]

Yeah, I know, I know. She's.

[B]

She's one of the best to ever do it.

[A]

Turns out Ben Shapiro read her tweets on a little teleprompter. So true. I. I mean Eric Adams, it's like funny and good, but it's like kind of low hanging fruit.

[B]

I mean he got his ass. Because the thing is that the thing where people get wrong with the Mamdani criticism we've talked about this is like acting like he's an Islamic fundamentalist.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

When he's something far worse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's like a soulless guy that stands for nothing. And he's not even a. He's not a Muslim at all.

[A]

He's like, of the same ilk as Zelensky or Trudeau or any of these, like, theater kid politicians. Yeah. I love when like you kill two birds with one stone and own the leftoids. But also the conservators. Because Eric Adams is also like. The brilliance of that statement is that it does highlight the fact that Mamdani wears Islam like a skin suit. He's like a Muslim to Muslim transsexual.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Like literally just like, where is his face?

[B]

He's not Muslim.

[A]

Yeah. It's ridiculous. Yeah. And they want to put like, conservators want to portray him as some sort of like religious extremist who's like hell bent on implementing Sharia and waging jihad.

[B]

That'd be better. He's a communist. He doesn't believe in God based.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He doesn't think there's an Allah up there. He doesn't hold himself to any accountable. He doesn't have any. A standard by which he measures himself or like, establishes him like moral value in the world at all.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But whatever.

[A]

And he's only doing it to appeal to like the affluent white liberals who like makeup.

[B]

Of course. That's why he's decriminalizing sex work. That's why he's like, yeah, whatever. We can wrap it up. We've done an hour and a half, I think, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It might be unlistenable.

[A]

Yep. Sharia law. But make it gay and actually it's.

[B]

Already probably call it communism.

[A]

Make it even more gay and make.

[B]

It more like communism.

[A]

Yeah. I'm trying to, like, would I take Sharia over communism? I don't know. That's a hard question.

[B]

Do they do female genital mutilation under Sharia law?

[A]

I don't think so. I think that's a regional thing. But I could be mistaken because that.

[B]

Seems like the worst thing that could happen to you as a woman. And I didn't even know I looked this up recently. I didn't even know I. Because I thought it all was just like the clitoridectomy or whatever. I was like, oh, they just cut your off. Surely. But in some places they like fully remove your aunt labia menorah and then sew your into like a little tiny hole.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, why the. Why would they do that? Like, that's horrible. That's actually horrible. Women definitely don't need. Don't need to be subjected to anything like that. As much as I am not a fan of them. I think that's just awful. I'll go.

[A]

I'll go on the record now you know how circumcised men feel.

[B]

I thought it was something like that. I thought it was. So, you know.

[A]

But yeah, they like. Yeah, they just like shave the off. No, it's like the hole, but no, like full shria.

[B]

Like, I already can't drive a car. I already don't like leaving a house without a male chaperone.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So sharia is already basically preferable to me.

[A]

True. Yeah.

[B]

Versus communism, which. But I could make communism work for me.

[A]

Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, they're. They're like practicing like a weird archaic form of transgender surgery. Nullification surgery. They're actually much. They have much more in common than we'd like to.

[B]

This is terrible.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The female genital mutilation. Anna, someone should do something.

[A]

I think people are trying to like, eye on her cle.

[B]

It's like a u n. They have a lot like u n resolutions about it. But then.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, we can wrap it up.

[B]

I mean, if you're from a place that practices female genital mutilation, you definitely shouldn't be coming to America.

[A]

Yeah. Duff.

[B]

I mean, unless you're. I guess. I mean, unless you're a woman who needs to escape the female genital mutilation, but that doesn't seem like. Yeah, that's the emphasis because it's already so bad. If that's happening, how could you escape? You're so disempowered you can't even start a podcast.

[A]

No.

[B]

You can't make it out at all. Probably don't even teach you how to read and stuff. Ugh.

[A]

No. You're like arranged, married to some 79 year old man who's also your cousin. Yeah, they both fully automated. Luxury.

[B]

Whatever. Yeah, well, because, you know, it's not going to be that. Yeah, but we've lived through it ancestrally, so I feel like we would fare. Okay. Yeah, we've already got the poverty mindset, so.

[A]

This is a pointless question. I'm. Sharia leads to communism and communism leads to Sharia.

[B]

Yeah. There we go.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Well, I hope this works.

[A]

Yeah, I. I do too. If it doesn't, whatever we. If it doesn't and it's just you talking, just publish it anyway.

[B]

No, it won't be.

[A]

It'll be fine.

[B]

I think it's gonna be fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right. See you in hell.

[A]

See you in hell, Sam.