Goy Hard Or Goy Home

Summary

Red Scare Podcast — Episode: "Goy Hard Or Goy Home" (February 3, 2026)

Hosts: Anna Khachiyan & Dasha Nekrasova

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Overview

In this episode, Anna and Dasha dive into the ongoing public obsession with the Epstein files, revealing the cyclical dynamic between conspiratorial thinking, media manipulation, and mass psychosis. Along the way, they riff on the state of New York during a brutal winter, discuss skin ailments and malaise, deconstruct the latest revelations and memes from the Epstein leak, and offer a biting, deadpan review of Brett Ratner and Melania Trump’s new documentary. Expect the usual mix of sharp commentary, high irony, personal anecdotes, and cultural critique.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Life in the Winter Doldrums

• NYC gloom: They open by describing the harsh winter in New York, referencing trash not being picked up, cars snowed in, and everyone being “severely depressed and, like, drinking way too much.”
  • Anna: "Everyone's spiraling." [03:27]
• Homelessness and policy: Discussion of Mayor’s policy on not moving homeless off the streets leading to deaths in the cold.
  • Anna: “There's been 13 deaths so far... They got their headline the other day, had a picture and said, let them eat flakes. Like snowflakes.” [02:22]
• Everyday miseries: They joke about skin problems, “raving vagrants” as alarm clocks, and Dasha’s outbreak paranoia.
  • Dasha: “I have AIDS and herpes and a secret third thing. I'm a triple threat.” [04:21]

The Epstein File Dumps & Mass Media Psychosis

• Discerning real from fake: The girls dissect the rolling release of Epstein files and the challenge of parsing truth from deepfakes, memes, and manufactured leaks.
  • Anna: “It's such a mix of unsubstantiated, like, schizo crap... with fake and real email screenshots and then photos that are, like, AI deepfake photos..." [10:31]
  • Dasha: “You're not going to make it if you don't get your media literacy up and general literacy up, folks.” [11:11]
• Political utility & perpetual distraction: The segmented release strategy is compared to a demoralization campaign—it keeps the public “satiated by slop,” never revealing a whole truth, only fueling permanent speculation.
  • Anna: “Rather than releasing all the files at once, releasing them incrementally, potentially forever.” [13:14]
  • Dasha: “You should look for and latch onto the conspiracy that is least, not the most flattering to you personally...” [13:43]
• Epstein’s persona: They discuss whether Epstein was an intellectual mastermind or merely a “midwit” who played social dynamics and credential anxiety among elites.
  • Dasha: “He's a dumb person's idea of a smart person. He does, if you observe him, have a very calm and casual tone, which, again, like, projects confidence.” [27:13]
  • Anna: “He's a charlatan... really not that charismatic, obviously.” [32:09]

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Anna, on conspiracy cycles: “Why assume that what you're being told now is the truth?” [44:56]
• Dasha, on takeaways: “Of course rich people all know each other and all hang out together. Why wouldn't they?... The rich are also lonely, needy, insecure, easily flattered...” [44:06, 45:28]

Social Skills, Manipulation & Elite Dynamics

• Power moves: The hosts break down Epstein’s use of aloofness and poor spelling as social dominance tactics among “insecure credentialists.”
  • Anna: “It's bossy... To make someone who thinks they're so smart, they're typing out some long email to you, and you just hit them with the, like, barely literate.” [22:39]

Media Literacy, Online Psychosis, & Meme Culture

• Ephemera of leaks: The confusion between reality and fabrication is a recurring motif, with both hosts expressing exhaustion at trying to “parse every single thing that’s real or not.” [07:30]
• Right-wing astroturfing theories: Discussion of the claim that Epstein helped seed online rightwing views via Reddit/4chan, a theory they skewer as both plausible and psychotic.
  • Dasha: “Apparently he's... responsible for promoting, like, racism and fascism and transphobia through Reddit and 4chan...” [35:51]
• On trans discourse: The hosts mock a circulating email allegedly showing Epstein “promoting transgenderism,” reading its content and noting its routine, mundane speculation. [38:09-39:52]

Review: Melania Trump Documentary

• High expectations, low payoff: Both Anna and Dasha attended opening weekend of Brett Ratner’s Melania doc and found it flat, empty, and visually lavish but emotionally hollow.
  • Anna: “Honestly, not that I was expecting much, but I kind of was expecting a little more.” [47:51]
  • Dasha: “Who is this for? It's just like, total magatard boomers.” [51:13]
• Lack of depth: They lament the documentary’s failure to offer psychological insight or backstory and ridicule its expensive music cues (“Gimme Shelter”, “Billie Jean”).
  • Dasha: “She talks like she's... submitting a resume or giving a book report. The whole documentary, it feels like a college essay.” [57:14]
• Melania’s style and persona: Extended riffing on her color palette, fashion choices (“not her season”), sycophantic gays, and superficiality.
  • Anna: “She wants to be perceived in this way... but the case is very flimsy.” [51:08]
  • Dasha: “She just has no style... very basic Normie, but high price point.” [67:31]
• Boomer audience reaction: The only audience loving the documentary was “old lady Anna and Dasha besties” at the theater. [61:51]

Notable Quotes

• Dasha, on the doc’s emptiness: “It doesn't make her look bad exactly, but it doesn't make her look particularly good either.” [63:58]
• Anna, on the failed mythmaking: “Every documentary is a type of propaganda. Just some are better at making you feel like [you're] getting to know [the subject]... they couldn't even pretend.” [62:54-63:02]

“Retard” Discourse & Libtard Social Engineering

• NYT "R-word" article: Late in the episode, a segment lampoons a New York Times article about the resurgence of the slur “retarded,” critiquing liberal disability advocacy and the endless shifting of euphemisms.
  • Anna: “They’re actually being, you know, weaponized and abused to, like, serve someone's means…” [85:16]
  • Dasha: “Nobody enjoys making fun of actually mentally retarded people. Not because it's morally wrong, but because it's low hanging fruit.” [83:09]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• NYC winter woes and homelessness: 00:24–03:29
• Skin ailments, listlessness, and malaise: 03:41–05:31
• Epstein files, leaks, media literacy, conspiracy thinking: 05:31–22:14
• Epstein’s social dynamics, Bannon interview, elite behavior: 22:14–29:42
• The “goy cattle” meme and demoralization: 13:04–14:37
• AI and media manipulation, “sentient” chatbots: 11:38–12:29
• Transgender email/online psychosis riffs: 36:33–39:21
• Melania documentary review starts: 47:09
• Boomer audience, Melania’s style, sycophantic gays: 61:51–63:58
• Color theory and personal style ruminations: 59:54–71:43
• NYT R-word article teardown: 81:08–85:40

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Tone & Speaker Style

• Anna and Dasha maintain their signature tone: sardonic, self-aware, sharply critical, and irreverent toward both elite and popular narratives.
• The humor is dark, often biting, with a thread of cultural exhaustion and irony: “The bar has never been lower... You're not going to make it if you don't get your media literacy up and general literacy up, folks.” [11:11]
• Both hosts waver between big-picture cultural commentary and granular, often grotesque or bodily, personal anecdote.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “It's just a mess out there. Snow piled high. Trash is not getting Picked up... Everyone's spiraling.”
  – Anna [03:09, 03:27]
• “You're not going to make it if you don't get your media literacy up and general literacy up, folks. It's not looking good.”
  – Anna [11:11]
• “Rather than releasing all the files at once, releasing them incrementally, potentially forever.”
  – Anna [13:14]
• “For me, the lesson from the files is that domestic agencies didn't do their jobs protecting state interests...”
  – Dasha [14:33]
• “He's a dumb person's idea of a smart person.”
  – Dasha [27:13]
• “He's a charlatan... not that charismatic, obviously.”
  – Anna [32:09]
• “Who is this for? It's just like, total magatard boomers.”
  – Dasha [51:13]
• “She just has no style... very basic Normie, but high price point.”
  – Dasha [67:37]
• “Nobody enjoys making fun of actually mentally retarded people. Not because it's morally wrong, but because it's low hanging fruit.”
  – Dasha [83:09]

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Summary

This densely-packed episode of Red Scare deftly shows Anna and Dasha at their best: tangling with cultural confusion, mocking the absurdities of internet-era conspiracies and mass media, and diagnosing the limits of both contemporary mythmaking and institutional power. Their take on the never-ending Epstein file drama avoids moralizing, instead highlighting the banality and self-flattery running through both the conspiracies and their skeptics. The Melania documentary is skewered as lifeless propaganda, and the hosts’ forays into personal style and “retard” discourse keep the tone brisk, subversive, and, as ever, acerbically entertaining.

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Useful for new listeners:
Even without context, this summary captures Red Scare’s unique blend of commentary, humor, and skepticism toward both mainstream and alternative narratives. Anna and Dasha reframe the story of our cultural moment as one of endless spectacle, distraction, and social negotiation, never letting themselves or their audience off the hook.

Transcript

[Anna]

Now we're back.

[Dasha]

Oh, we're.

[Anna]

We're back. I just. Yeah, I made an off color joke about how it was unusually quiet outside.

[Dasha]

That's not true, by the way.

[Anna]

They're still hooting and hollering.

[Dasha]

Moments before you got here, I filmed a video of a raving vagrant screaming on the block. And then I was like, wait a second. I should do like the genius thing that Kevin McAllister does in Home Alone. RIP Catherine O', Hara, so sad. We love you and we miss you. But, you know, like, when he's using the little video camera and he films Uncle Frank singing in the shower, and then he plays it when the wet bandits come to rob the place. Yeah. And they're like, spooked because they think there's an adult in the house. Right. And it's all a trick, a ruse. But I was like, how cool would it be if I just filmed the bombs and then played their own rantings and ravings back at them at high volume? It would only confirm their worst, like, schizophrenic paranoid delusions.

[Anna]

Who. Who that.

[Dasha]

Who that yelling at me?

[Anna]

What was the bum yelling about?

[Dasha]

I can just play it.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Dasha]

I mean, he's not, you know, his. His. It's not video, so I'm not doxing anyone. And then he just, like, walks off quietly like nothing ever happened. But this is like a daily occurrence up in here. And in fact, I really like, love and cherish them because they're my alarm. I don't even have to set a phone alarm.

[Anna]

They wake you up.

[Dasha]

Yeah, it's like raving vagrant hour every day at like six in the MO and like two at night to tell you that it's time to go to bed. Right.

[Anna]

That's nice. That's a nice rhythm in the community.

[Dasha]

So what was the thing with Mom? Donnie? He let them freeze to death.

[Anna]

There's been 13 deaths so far. There were 10 initially, when. I mean, you know, I get all my news from the New York Post, so they've been covering this. They got their headline the other day, had a picture and said, let them eat flakes. Like snowflakes.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But, yeah, because he has this whole policy of not, like, forcing the homeless off the streets, so now they're freezing to death.

[Dasha]

Our secretly based crypto right wing mayor.

[Anna]

Welcome to the warmth of collectivism. But I think if they want to go to a. I mean, actually, I don't know. It's a mess out there.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Snow piled high.

[Dasha]

I know.

[Anna]

Trash is not getting Picked up.

[Dasha]

Yep. Cars are, like, snowed in.

[Anna]

No end in sight. Yeah. The arctic chill.

[Dasha]

Yep.

[Anna]

Sucks.

[Dasha]

I know. Everyone's, like, severely depressed and, like, drinking way too much.

[Anna]

Everyone's spiraling.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Bloated.

[Guest]

Hey. How are you?

[Dasha]

Oh, I beat up my wife today. Have to go to therapy now.

[Anna]

I. I have a zit that. I have a sticker on it. Obviously you might have noticed, but it's a kind of like, I've never had before. It almost feels like a boil.

[Dasha]

It's so gross.

[Anna]

Or like, a bur. I'm like, did I burn myself or something? It's because it's not, like, coming to a head. It's just been kind of, like, persistent.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And I think it's just, like, the cold.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

My nasty ass. Humidifiers working overtime. Yeah.

[Dasha]

It's, like, brown inside, girl.

[Anna]

I.

[Dasha]

Got, like, a weird thing on my lip.

[Anna]

Oh, yeah.

[Dasha]

And then it burst. And I was like, oh, my God. I have AIDS and herpes and a secret third thing. I'm a triple threat. Um, I've, like, never.

[Anna]

But you said it didn't hurt.

[Dasha]

It didn't hurt or itch. I don't think it's herpes, but I've never, like, had anything like this. And I'm, like, convinced that it's also from, like, trudging in the cold.

[Anna]

Yeah. It's like a blood blister.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

It's not, like, full of pots. It's like some other fucked up thing.

[Dasha]

What? Do you think that if I told people I had aids, they would be nicer? But do you think they'd believe me?

[Anna]

Why wouldn't. Who would lie about something like that?

[Dasha]

Me.

[Anna]

I think. Yeah.

[Dasha]

I think they wouldn't believe me if I told them outright. Like, I would have to seed a rumor through back channels. Right. Like, I would have to put some.

[Anna]

An ugly rumor.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Which you could do.

[Dasha]

I'm thinking about it. I'm, like, toying with the idea because I'm bored and listless because it's February and we got, like, a month, but really two or three months to go until, like, the weather warms up.

[Anna]

It's gonna be May, Dude. It's gonna be so long. Really. Just no. Bleak. They keep releasing more Epstein files.

[Dasha]

Oh, yeah.

[Anna]

Causing more mass psychosis events. And everyone's like, can't go outside and has weird sores on their face. At least a hundred percent of the people in this room.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Anna]

Are having skin ailments.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

I was upset. Like, I said to you girls, because I can't kiss the baby on the mouth anymore.

[Anna]

Oh, because. But it's not a cold.

[Dasha]

I can't make out with my baby.

[Anna]

Just for a little while.

[Dasha]

Dark times. Yeah.

[Anna]

And if it doesn't hurt, it's not cold, so. And even if it is, it's fine. Oral herpes, whatever. We're destigmatizing it. It's fine. Yeah.

[Dasha]

The timeline moves so fast these days. It's very hard to keep up. One moment you have Hasan Piker trying to own Nick Fuentes. Say, no, actually it's about Zionism and Judaism.

[Anna]

The next moment and he's calling him a Mexican faggot.

[Dasha]

Yeah, you have this major. I guess it's not a leak. It's just managed controlled release of more files.

[Anna]

More files where? Tip of the iceberg.

[Dasha]

All these, like, presumably secular, highly placed, highly prominent Jews are like, privately emailing each other, being like, yeah, we're more in soul than the goys. They can have their slop, their cattle.

[Anna]

They're literally talking about boy cattle.

[Dasha]

Completely like, no, you don't understand. Like, our souls operate on a different tier, on a different.

[Anna]

Was that also. It's so hard to. I can't be parsing every single thing that's real or not. I don't have. I'm a busy woman.

[Dasha]

Well, Twitter will play like the greatest hits for you.

[Anna]

Yeah, fabricated.

[Dasha]

Yeah, I know.

[Anna]

Like, one of the Elon Musk screencaps was real. One was fake.

[Dasha]

Which one was which?

[Anna]

The one where Epstein forwards the email to Guylaine and then she says that actually we're not doing the parties on the island anymore. But then the one where he's asking if there's like a wild party that weekend that's a little more innocuous. Not that the fake ones are funny too. Yeah.

[Dasha]

Okay, so Elan's not as much of a pathetic and over eager loser as he appears. And he's one of the only, as.

[Anna]

He keeps pointing out or retweeting people that are pointing out. He's one of the only people calling for, like, people to be prosecuted. Which people are taking as an indicator of his own innocence.

[Dasha]

He got turned away from the club.

[Anna]

Because he can't even get in. But yeah, it's slightly less humiliating than the memes would report.

[Dasha]

Um, Mark Fisher I'm assuming is some finance guy, not capitalist realism. Mark Fisher, though. This is really capitalist. I assumed it was. I don't think.

[Anna]

I thought it was. It's.

[Dasha]

It's. Yeah, it's very hard to say. Who are these people?

[Anna]

I guess there could be another guy named Mark Fisher.

[Dasha]

That's, I believe, a common name.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And he's also, like, British. Mark Fisher wasn't Jewish, so why would he be talking about these?

[Anna]

Well, he does talk to the guys from time to time.

[Dasha]

Yeah, sure. But.

[Anna]

Right. They were talking about meditation and how the Jews benefit from it more because they're at, like, a higher state of consciousness or something.

[Dasha]

They're more neurotic. Their souls are.

[Anna]

Yeah, they benefit from it.

[Dasha]

They have more of an inner monologue.

[Anna]

Zenning out in a nihilistic.

[Dasha]

What you call a higher plane of consciousness, I call higher neuroticism. Come on.

[Anna]

And then the video of Epstein talking to Bannon where his voice really. Any, like, Riz or aura.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

That he had potentially farmed really, like, goes out the window.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Though I find him obviously pretty repulsive.

[Dasha]

Same.

[Anna]

And not even, you know, act. But the thing is, the thing about the leaks is, like, being privy to so much, like, mundane conversation, some of which is kind of funny. Does, like, humanize him.

[Dasha]

Right.

[Anna]

And make him seem, like, more banal and, like, endearing almost. Right?

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But then it's, like, also mixed. That's how they get you. It's just such a mix of.

[Dasha]

Totally.

[Anna]

Like, unsubstantiated, like, schizo crab from, like, anonymous tip lines with, like, fake and real email screenshots and then photos that.

[Dasha]

Are, like, AI Deep fake photos of, like, Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton with Mira Nair and baby Zoran, which people like. So I like, I kid you not, so many people sent me that photo and I'm like, dude, like, this is obviously fake. How.

[Anna]

How stupid do you have to be?

[Dasha]

I mean, I can see being, like, a boomer on Facebook and taking it.

[Anna]

At face value, but you're not going to make it if you don't get your media literacy up and general literacy up, folks. It's not looking good.

[Dasha]

I know you're not going to make it.

[Anna]

Did you see the people talking about the molt book, too? I won't. I'm not even going to talk. It's what's.

[Dasha]

What's all that?

[Anna]

There's, like, you know, Claude, it's like, chat GPT.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

AI bot. You can use it to make kind of like, AI agents. And I guess want, like, some of the AI agents made, like, a clone of Reddit where they talk to themselves. And so I saw people in the tech sector this week freaking out about how the AIs are starting to, like, gain sentience and talk, but clearly they've just been like, Programmed to act like they're gaining. Like it doesn't really.

[Dasha]

Right.

[Anna]

Like chatbots talk to each other on X. Yeah.

[Dasha]

All day long.

[Anna]

They're just doing it in like a. It's just if you believe that you're a mark, like people being like, oh, no, like this is really, like, they genuinely seem to believe that this is like.

[Dasha]

Well, that's why everybody's like always so up in arms about.

[Anna]

This story.

[Dasha]

And they get really mad when you try to point out the. The things that they don't want you to know. You're not gonna know. And therefore, on the whole, like the memes and jokes are funny, but like, it is kind of more mundane and.

[Anna]

Banal than you're playing right into their hand.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

They're. You're like so satiated by the sloth.

[Dasha]

I know. Yeah.

[Anna]

That you're exactly the goy cattle that they're like talking about.

[Dasha]

Exactly.

[Anna]

Well, the best that I saw, there's political, as I said to the girls, there's like very clear and obvious political utility.

[Dasha]

Yes.

[Anna]

To. Rather than releasing all the files at once, releasing them like incrementally, potentially forever.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And it's like if you're gonna be a conspirator, like, maybe just take it one step further and think like, why now? Why, like, what are they distracting me from? Like, you're so satiated and think you've really like gotten to the bottom of something because they let you look at some database of files and you think you're gonna get to the bottom of it.

[Dasha]

Yeah. I mean, my advice to fellow conspir that you should look for and latch onto the conspiracy that is the least, not the most flattering to you personally, the one that brings you the least psychic relief. Because that's the one that's going to be true.

[Anna]

Like your goy cattle being manipulated, the release of these files.

[Dasha]

But ain't nobody want to have that conversation. The two best takes I saw were from this guy, Harry Bergeron, who said the Epstein files proved the goam were right about the Jews being ethnic supremacists. And the reaction to the Epstein files proved that the Jews were right about the goyim being retards. Let's just move past it. And then there is one from Leo Cesares who said, for me, the lesson from the files is that domestic agencies didn't do their jobs protecting state interests. How was Prince Andrew not grabbed by an MI6 handler and told, listen, you're being scammed and you're about to embarrass the State.

[Anna]

Countless others. I mean, of course.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Who let him win, like, six years ago when he did the TV interview where he talked about how he couldn't have assaulted Virginia Guthrey because she said he doesn't sweat.

[Dasha]

Is he dead? No, he's alive.

[Anna]

No, he's just. They, like, kind of ousted him from public life after that. Yeah, but they should have done it sooner.

[Dasha]

Yeah. I mean, the reality of it is that, like, people are obviously, like, bored and titillated because it's the middle of the winter. Ain't nothing to do. You're, like, drinking yourself half to death. I'm projecting here. But, like. And then they want to, of course, feign moral outrage. And I'm, like, willing to entertain the possibility that there were some, like, young minors involved and crimes were committed. I wouldn't rule that out for sure. And, like, he got convicted of that and got the sweetheart deal, as you pointed out. Um, I did a quick AI query of what Gillen Maxwell was actually convicted for. Yeah, I'll pull it off.

[Anna]

Trafficking minors.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But the. And like, conspiracy to try. It's like all the. God, when people go to jail, it's like, mad.

[Dasha]

The lesson of. Of this is that, like, you know, I saw somebody being like, oh, the Internet was a mistake. Like, burn it all down. It's not that. Cause it's like, you know, just when you think, like, it's gotten as bad as it can get because it's like, libbed hards, crying about ice, then an even worse discourse materializes. It's really just.

[Anna]

I've been doing the. You know how Dan Allegretto every year he posts, like, the screenshot of his notes app. That's everything that happened. Yeah. I've been like, just for my own kind of like, record keeping.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Just like, keeping track of kind of like flashpoint moments that, like. Huh.

[Dasha]

Smart.

[Anna]

But it's crazy. It's only. It's. January is like, so much happened that, like, no one even cares about. There was a mass shooting in Utah. Remember that? No, me neither. But it was, like, around the same time as Renee.

[Dasha]

Good.

[Anna]

But I really thought that would be like, you know.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Maduro got captured this year. Like, it's just really getting started already. So much like the news cycle is just.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Anyway, what was what.

[Dasha]

So she. In December of 2021, she was convicted on five federal counts related to the recruitment and grooming of underage girls to be sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein between 1994 and 2004. The five counts for which she was Found guilty include sex trafficking of a minor. The most ser. Charge relating to the luring of vulnerable girls into Epstein's abusive circle. Conspiracy to transport minors with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity. Transportation of a minor with intent to engage in criminal sexual. Sexual activity. Activity. Sexual. Two counts of conspiracy to commit sex trafficking. Maxwell was acquitted on one charge. Enticement of an individual under the age of 17 to travel with intent to engage in illegal sexual activity. Okay. So it has been proven in the court of law, and she has been convicted of trafficking underage girls to Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah. My understanding is that there is no proof that any other crimes were committed by any of his wealthy, high profile friends.

[Anna]

And condoms? We don't know. Hasn't been an investigation.

[Dasha]

Yeah, but like.

[Anna]

And instead of there being an investigation, they're, like, releasing the files into the. To the public. To what end?

[Dasha]

But, like, I find, like, the. The whole speculation about who mentioned in the files did or didn't do what to be like a drag.

[Anna]

Sure.

[Dasha]

And a bore and a demoralization campaign. Because it's like you're psyching yourself out. People will say, oh, you're not showing proper empathy or piety to the victims. And in my mind, it is showing them proper empathy and piety to not morally masturbate over what are at this point in time, mere allegations.

[Anna]

I mean, or just, I would imagine the victims probably aren't so keen on the endless, eternal recurrence of the same meme over and over.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And it's been six years.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And this happened with the initial flight logs, black book, all that stuff.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And this was all, by the way, not well known, but this was known and reported in 2008.

[Anna]

What, his accomplices and stuff?

[Dasha]

No, when the first big article on Epstein came out and he was described as like, one of Bill Clinton's handlers or henchmen. Yeah, Something like this. Like, this has been around. Yeah. There was also a rare Moldovan L that I have to take him to task for where he was like, why are they chatting over email? And it's like, he's such a zoomer. That's how it used to be. Like, boy, you're my age.

[Anna]

Get with it.

[Dasha]

Like, people will be having entire conversations over email. Prior to, like, 2015, I was not.

[Anna]

I was not so active on email. I had some correspondences. Definitely more than I do now.

[Dasha]

If you were 40 and over, you were definitely conversating on email.

[Anna]

Yeah, I. Yeah, like, I was. I just didn't even. I didn't Even have a computer until, like, 2017, 2016.

[Dasha]

I was having entire conversations with, like, my boyfriend, my sister.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Random other people.

[Anna]

Just, like, short, Like Epstein style.

[Dasha]

Yes. Yeah.

[Anna]

Just like a sentence.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

That's fun. We should bring that back. I know it seems like a healthier way to communicate.

[Dasha]

It's a preferable communication format because, number one, everything is, like, easily indexed and searchable, unlike text messages or DMs, which are just, like, hard to scroll through. Even if you're typing in keywords, which could be good or bad, depending on what your motives are. Maybe you want to bury that information. And also, it's just much slower. What?

[Anna]

Email.

[Dasha]

Email. Yeah. And there's no, like, it's at your own pace. You can. You can put a long disclaimer, legal.

[Anna]

Disclaimer at the bottom or. Sorry for all the typos. How badly Epstein types and spells is one of the most endearing things about him.

[Dasha]

It's because he's an extremely high IQ polymath individual, and he's dyslexic because he doesn't have time to type accurately or grammatically.

[Anna]

I've seen people. I think it's a power move, which I've also seen people say, but I. That seems more likely to me that it's a kind of, like, sign of. Because I. It's like when I pretend not to know someone's name as a sign of, like, disrespect.

[Dasha]

That was.

[Anna]

That was the seasonal click farm worker.

[Dasha]

Take where he was like, he's running illiteracy game on, like, scientists and academics.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Because acting is actually a display of dominance.

[Anna]

It's bossy. Yeah. To make someone who, like, thinks they're so smart, they're typing out some long email to you, and you just hit them with the, like, barely literate.

[Dasha]

Yeah. It's arrogant and condescending, and it makes people think, like, are you or aren't you self. Aware? Like, I thought you were on their toes. And, like, the thing about, like, scientists and academics is that they're, like, insecure credentialists.

[Anna]

Exactly.

[Dasha]

And uncool nerds.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

So when a guy is pretending to be, like, an airhead, they. He projects, like, confidence and credibility, and they start to, like, worship him and fall in line.

[Anna]

But when I do it, people aren't catching on to the real power levels, which is actually exactly where I want them. I've just been pretending to be retarded.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Like, you keep. Keep people guessing.

[Anna]

Honestly, I find it so. I had a horrible nightmare about what this night Slash this morning. It was, like, very vivid and like, it was. It was like a damn movie. But it was. You were in it, actually.

[Dasha]

Oh, no.

[Anna]

And we were in.

[Dasha]

I was. Jillen.

[Anna]

No, it wasn't like. I mean, I think it was obviously influenced by, like, the deprav. Depravity of the Epstein stuff, but we were at, like, some flop house and there were all these, like, what else is new? Drug addicts around. What else? But they were doing this, like, kind of like cyber drug where you, like, would plug this thing into your computer and then. So a lot of the dream was this kind of like, psychedelic, like, digital interface kind of montage of, like, horrible pornography and gore and just like. Yeah, literally my brain, like, just like, glitching with, like, horrible, disturbing images. And people were, like, doing drugs and, like, watching gore on their computers.

[Dasha]

We had a dream about being online. Extremely online, kind of.

[Anna]

Yeah, basically. But, like, even worse. And the guys that you had to get, like, the drives from were like. Yeah, like, kind of like scary Hispanic coded drug dealers who were like, flinchy and violent and every. Yeah. Everything felt like really dangerous and really evil. And I think it's because I've been looking at too many pictures of, like, people tied up or like, you know, like just evil collages that, like, victim diary that I, like, read all of.

[Dasha]

And was like, what do you.

[Anna]

What is it?

[Dasha]

Like, looks like a. And reads like a dime square chapbook.

[Anna]

But it's, like, written in silhouette, which is also so fucking scary.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And yeah, we were, like, discussing its authenticity, like, its problems, which is so hard to parse because it seems real. And like, who would make that up? Maybe a schizo. But then also, like, you could be horribly abused and have that make you schizo.

[Dasha]

I'm such a horrible misogynist. I'm automatically suspicious of any sort of text like that.

[Anna]

That's like, I believe it because it is.

[Dasha]

It's too.

[Anna]

It's like, too meticulous. But I feel like there's always this weird, like, ephemera with the Epstein stuff.

[Dasha]

That has this, like, a haunted and uncanny vibe. Yeah, like. Like Tony Podesta's art.

[Anna]

Yeah. We were like, why did. What. What is this?

[Dasha]

Yeah, I was also thinking about this ongoing skirmish over whether Jeffrey Epstein is or isn't an extremely high IQ individual. And I would just split the difference and say, like, he's mid. He sounds like a midwit to me. As Monica pointed out, he's like a dumb person's idea of a smart person. He does, if you observe him, have a very calm and casual tone, which, again, like, projects confidence.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And inspire. Inspires confidence. But.

[Anna]

Well, I think also surrounding himself with, like, you said, like, credentialists.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Who he can, like, give pussy to.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

They're all for abusing each other. I mean, he's. Yeah, he's kind of like, I was coming out on top until he wasn't, I guess. Yeah.

[Dasha]

And they're like. He's, like, sponging off of their credentials and their prestige, their, like, institutional clout, and they're sponging off of his, like, access to underage shrimp.

[Anna]

Or. Yeah, like just party.

[Dasha]

Social. Social network.

[Anna]

Yeah, but what's Bannon's problem?

[Dasha]

What is his problem?

[Anna]

Just, like, why does he think Epstein's so cool?

[Dasha]

Does he.

[Anna]

He really, like. I mean, he did that whole interview with him where he, like, really is, like, gassing him up and talking about him like he's like a titan of industry, like some master trader or something.

[Dasha]

But he kind of claps back at him here and there, right?

[Anna]

Not really. And he only sought out to make. He's, like, doing the interview as a kind of like, I don't know.

[Dasha]

I mean, I love sexy Steve. He's a style icon, he's a sex symbol, and he's a drunk Irishman with a chip on his shoulder.

[Anna]

I mean, that's for sure.

[Dasha]

So that might explain it. But, yeah, I'm not super convinced that Jeffrey Epstein was a great intellectual who was hiding his power levels in terms of being a science and math and computing wizard. I think he was more likely a person with a better than average and somewhat intuitive grasp on human nature, which he could then use to, yeah. Connect and manipulate somewhat more like clueless and awkward individuals.

[Anna]

Sure.

[Dasha]

Like the conspirator take that I hate the most is not like the world is run by an elite pedophile cabal, because as. As a metaphor, that does have some staying power.

[Anna]

I mean, clearly. Yeah, it's a resonant world model, but it's this whole.

[Dasha]

Whole thing about how he, you know, he had a unique talent for, like, connecting people, like, bringing people together and wrapping them around his finger to do his bidding. This idea that he had aura or Riz, you know, and setting aside the possibility of blackmail, which is obviously like a tried and true tactic for keeping people close and getting them to do your bidding. It is really just pretty easy to win just about anybody's confidence by. By simply affecting a aloof and disinterested but confident demeanor.

[Anna]

Yeah. But easier Said than done. And the bar has never been lower.

[Dasha]

Really? Yeah. But you, you know, it's like a play. Like, literally, you can get Claude to write a book about that I will publish under my own name. Where, you know, it's like, okay. You ask slightly impolite and intrusive questions that most people are too oblivious or polite to ask. You rib people instead of flattering them because it's makes it look like you have some greater insight into their psyche or their soul. Because anybody can pay you a compliment.

[Anna]

Right.

[Dasha]

Like, and when it comes down to it, you pretend to forget their name and then they're yours forever.

[Anna]

That really is. Because in how to win friends and influence people, one of the tips is how you should always say someone's name.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Because it endears you to them.

[Dasha]

Right.

[Anna]

But actually, if you pretend like you don't even know who they are.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Then that's when you really get that.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Then they're like, who is that? She must be important. She must have clout. And as people become, like, more online and autistic, these very basic social skills will just fade away. Well, that's what I mean. And will look supernatural and impressive.

[Anna]

By the bar being so low. It's like, Yeah, he did even, you know, in his day, I guess, probably have some, like, mystique that he was able to cultivate, but really not like that. He's not that charismatic, obviously.

[Dasha]

No, he seems like a.

[Anna]

He's a charlatan.

[Dasha]

You know, affluent, moderate, centrist, Zionist guy from, like, Newton.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

With roots in Brooklyn. It's like very, very common, familiar type if you've, like, lived on the east coast your whole life. Yeah, he's like a bit more, I guess, soft spoken and nebbish than you would expect, as you pointed out.

[Anna]

You really don't see it coming.

[Dasha]

Yeah, well, because. Well, he has the classic problem that a lot of Jewish men have, which is like, again, they like, insecure, hysterical, with misshapen penises. Not. No, no. But because, like, Jews have strong features that are sensuous, bordering on grotesque. They often photograph in a way that's more like brutal and masculine. And then when they open their mouth, you're like, oh, he's just like an ebbish neurotic just like the rest of them. So true. Yeah. And he looks like. Who's that actor? Ron Perlman from Hellboy.

[Anna]

Yeah. Or Ron Perlman.

[Guest]

Jewish.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Or like online right wing personality Joshua Rayner. They have the same kind of like, brutal bestial look that, like, Mr. Island had. Yeah. That. That looks like hyper masculine to your average observer.

[Anna]

Sure. Not my thing.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Salt and pepper hair and JFK Jr. Esque style. Also conveys the sense of like, jeans at the gym.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Masculine authority, whatever. I don't know. I've never really responded well to Epstein and always found him kind of gross and unpleasant. Don't really love like the right wing take that. He's based because he was upfront about his aristocratic tendencies of defiling underage girls. Yeah.

[Anna]

Yeah. No, that doesn't sit so well with me either. But it is so exotic. Like, I have people like in my mentions accusing me of defending Epstein, like, when I haven't even said anything. Yeah. At any, you know.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And I kind of made a whole move not to make it about myself, but I kind of made a whole movie about this about six years ago, actually. That was good time to rewatch the scary of 61st.

[Dasha]

It is. Yeah.

[Anna]

Because it was. It's prescient.

[Dasha]

Yeah. You're sort of vindicated because actually that movie was at the time we were.

[Anna]

Like, oh, she made a meme movie. But.

[Dasha]

Nope. Sort of like enduring cultural artifact indirectly. Like critical. Not fawning over of Epstein A and B. Yeah. I kind of like anticipated the guy cattle meme.

[Anna]

Yeah. Well, because it was happening even then.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And I just, as a highly sensitive person.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

You know, was more kind of like attuned. Yeah. I feel like my like antenna culture.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Oh, that's the other really funny part, the ironic part of like extremely online, independently deriving this right wing theory that Jews invented in the culture war.

[Anna]

Oh, because he was on 4chan or something.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And on.

[Anna]

I kind of haven't been following. I don't really understand.

[Dasha]

But they've done it in a weird inverted way as they're want to do where like, apparently he's. He and Jelen are like, responsible for promoting like, racism and fascism and transphobia through Reddit and 4chan, and they're claiming that, like, right wing views that have, like, blossomed on social media are astroturfed and inorganic. And it's thanks to people like what Jeffrey and Jillen, as opposed to say, getting everyone to accept that you are a man who gets turned on by the image of yourself in a dress and wants everybody to wait. What are you agree with?

[Anna]

What's even. What?

[Dasha]

Who, like, literally, there's just been a bunch of online trannies who are talking.

[Anna]

About how Epstein created.

[Dasha]

Yeah. They're like marginal infringe figures, but it is a really interesting example of online psychosis.

[Anna]

Yeah. No, I mean now more than ever. Honestly.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Where they're like saying there's like IQ differentials and two sexes is an inorganic astroturfed right wing conspiracy versus you trying to get all of us to recognize your completely arbitrary gender identity. Like on the legal level. It's so crazy.

[Anna]

That is crazy.

[Dasha]

I really, I really like, love and respect trannies. At the end of the day, they're so powerful. I just got deja vu. Why?

[Anna]

I don't know.

[Dasha]

I feel like we've had this conversation with. Yeah. It's so funny that they.

[Anna]

Even though I feel so disoriented.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Like I have no idea what's going on.

[Dasha]

No, I don't either. I'm like way too old for this. And then there was also the email that's been going around again, don't know how real or fake it is, of Epstein talking to some evolutionary biologist called Robin Trivers. And right wing people are saying that they're actually promoting transgenderism. Which I read that email and in it he basically says that M to Fs are four times more common than F to Ms. and far more passing. And that transsexual women are very attractive and easily make money, which they in turn assert promotes their prostitution since they have to pay hefty fees for injections every week. This sounds like a Steve Saylor post. But they are sexually happy once you have reached manhood. Even castration doesn't prevent the sensation of organism. I think he means orgasm.

[Anna]

M to F. Yeah. Can still come, apparently.

[Dasha]

This is news to me, but interesting.

[Anna]

Yeah, I guess.

[Guest]

Maybe.

[Anna]

Hard to imagine, but I'm not a scientist. You're not an expert.

[Dasha]

On the other hand, he says that outcomes are much worse for transsexual men who are just men with mum poms. The worst of both worlds. If you like smelly masculine men, you want that hard cock that comes with the show. So true. Yeah, but the, the contested part is the last paragraph where he says, btw, we are now pushing the intervention earlier. So you. You notice your 3 year old son has trans tendencies, so now you intervene with hormones. I would be frightened to do that, but who knows? Okay, so he doesn't sound like he's really promoting.

[Anna]

He's just talking.

[Dasha]

Anything.

[Anna]

Can't we talk?

[Dasha]

Yeah. Isn't this.

[Anna]

Can you email your friends?

[Dasha]

Isn't this what you want out of science? Just two friends talking about trans and kids.

[Anna]

But like.

[Dasha]

Yeah, they're just like talking and speculating and he.

[Anna]

In fact, it doesn't sound like he has Some agenda that he's advocating for. He's just describing kind of reality.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And he's making, like, a rather monstrous claim, but he's not assigning, again, his own moral value to it. He's just saying, like, the younger you transition kids, the more passing they are.

[Anna]

I mean, that's not even that monstrous. It's just the truth.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And it's.

[Dasha]

Well, the truth is monstrous because. Yeah.

[Anna]

And it's inconvenient because it's unethical to transition a child, depending on who you ask.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Yeah. It's a query that's worth interrogating. So, Robin Quivers, you're off the hook as far as I'm concerned.

[Dasha]

Did nothing wrong. I guess there is some, like, I look, I don't know how. Which. What is real and what is fake? I guess they didn't want black girls on the island.

[Anna]

I heard. That seems plausible.

[Dasha]

That seems plausible.

[Anna]

I mean, a lot of those girls were blondes. When I went to the. The Gloria Allred, like.

[Dasha]

Oh, yeah.

[Anna]

Court trial they had. It wasn't a trial because it was after he was dead, but they, like. Yeah, I don't know what it's called. Like, post trial, they let them, like, have their day in court. Basically all blondes. Yeah.

[Dasha]

It seems like that was his preferred Slavic.

[Anna]

Yeah. Actually not so many in the courthouse.

[Dasha]

Because they had to speak English.

[Anna]

I bet they do speak English. But they probably are still, like, loyal to him.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Which the English American ones had more, like, ambivalence about the ways that they expressed.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And more freedom. Noam Chomsky privately agreeing with the right wing racists about IQ differentials among black and white populations. That part was interesting because as it turns out, a lot of, like, elite liberals aren't dumb or brainwashed. They just say one thing in public and mean another thing in private. Yes.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Which that, to me is like, actually way more sinister than any of the conspiracy theories floating around.

[Anna]

But I'm personally of the belief also that if someone says something privately, it's not necessarily more true.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Like, if they say it publicly, doesn't make it more true either, obviously. But, like, a private conversation isn't necessarily like a smoking gun.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Because people also lie to other people and themselves privately all the time. And maybe he just wanted to, you know, maybe he was just appeasing Epstein so that he could get invited to the gang. To the gang bang later.

[Dasha]

Oh, and there was. Yeah, there was another. Another. The Noam Chomsky stuff was the most interesting stuff for me. Where he was, like, also telling Epstein, like, coaching him to not get too down on himself and to not beat himself up for having, like, rape. What a good friend allegations. The saddest part for me was the Chomsky and Epstein correspondence, which sort of confirmed what we already knew about Greece getting fucked over by. For the benefit of French and German banks.

[Anna]

I remember that day in 2015.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I woke, I was like, randomly. I didn't even really care about politics, but I remember when they imposed the austerity measures on Greece and I could just tell something was really wrong and that they were victims in all of it.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And as it turns out, the austerity measures were implemented not so much to bail out the Greeks who had borrowed too much and were too dependent on.

[Anna]

The rest of Europe.

[Dasha]

Yeah. But to cover the assets of these German and French bankers who had made risky investments in. Wanted to get paid off anyway.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And he says so, in effect, Greeks are paying the northern banks for debts the people never incurred. It's a very. Like, the strong do what they can and the. We suffer what they must.

[Anna]

Who said that?

[Dasha]

Reise.

[Guest]

That.

[Dasha]

Where did I hear that quote that Mark Carney invoked during his Davos address?

[Anna]

Oh, that slaps.

[Dasha]

Yeah. So good times make hard.

[Anna]

Hard times make bad boys.

[Dasha]

But, yeah, I mean, the. The two big takeaways for me from this is like, yeah, like, of course rich people all know each other and all hang out together. Why wouldn't they?

[Anna]

They. I think there is definitely, like, blackmail component.

[Dasha]

Yeah, of course. And I'm sure there's crimes being committed and conspiracies being created, whatever.

[Anna]

But, like, there's conspiring for sure. But it's.

[Dasha]

It's like, it's not at all, like, surprising, alarming, weird that all of these people know each other. Like, why would it be?

[Anna]

Of course, that's insane. But where. It. Where. What I don't understand is if you are of, like, a conspiratorial ilk.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Then, like I said, like, why assume that what you're being told now is the truth?

[Guest]

Yes.

[Anna]

Like, you're so suspicious. You're so smart. You're so suspicious. You're like the wool's been pulled from your eyes and you can see, you know, what's really going on. But now they tell you, here's some files, and you just eat it up. Yeah.

[Dasha]

And you feel so good. Deep fakes and all.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Yeah, yeah. I don't get that. And also, yeah. I mean, it's like, depressing and demoralizing. Ain't nobody want to hear it because you want to feel like your heroes and your villains all have some supernatural quality that you don't, which is why they're different from you and can do stuff that you can't. But it's like, yeah, obviously the rich are also lonely, needy, insecure, easily flattered. Yeah. Clout chasing, like, everything that everybody else is. They are, too. And money ain't buying you any freedom from, like, the normal and natural human urges and, like, tendencies that we all have.

[Anna]

Bill Gates.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Is that true?

[Anna]

I mean, it's a real.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Or the documents.

[Anna]

The documents are real, but they. Not that I give a shit about Bill Gates at all or even, you know, but they're emails from Epicene to himself, which is kind of like. Feels blackmail.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Because he's not even like. It's ostensibly like a draft of a letter he was going to send Bill, but in it he like details very, like, expositionally all of his, like, wrongdoings, which I'm sure are somewhat true.

[Dasha]

But.

[Anna]

The arrangement of information is just a little too, like, tidy. Yeah, but what do I know? I don't know. Makes sense. Should we talk about Melania?

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Riley really liked that.

[Dasha]

Why? What was his take?

[Anna]

He's a. I think he just, you know, he's just enjoyed it. He's a patriot.

[Dasha]

Like, he's a loyalist.

[Anna]

He's receptive to propaganda.

[Dasha]

You know, I.

[Anna]

Mean, which isn't a bad.

[Dasha]

It's not a bad thing. No, it depends on the.

[Anna]

I can't be. Yeah. I, you know, and I. I had a good time.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Well, what did you think? I thought it was a bit of a.

[Anna]

Kind of a flop.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Honestly, not that I was expecting much, but I kind of was expecting a little more.

[Guest]

I know.

[Dasha]

Well, you. You sort of laughed at me, rightfully, when I was like, this feels like Soviet propaganda. And you were like, anna, it literally is propaganda. But I don't know what I was expecting, but I think I expected it to be like, a little bit more subtle and refined. Like, I wanted, like, a libbed hard documentary that got into, you know, her origins, her background that had her sitting down for an interview and talking about her life. Kind of like Steve Bannon interviewing Jeffrey Epstein. Like, what you get with this, which does have some entertainment value, is that you're basically riding in the sidecar as she goes to all these, like, costume fittings and event planning things to prepare for the inauguration. It's like a walk a mile in her shoes a day in the life.

[Anna]

Of which no One. Yeah. In the beginning of the documentary, she says everyone is asking, so here you go. It's 20 days in my. And it's like, we actually don't want.

[Dasha]

Yeah. This is like a slice of.

[Anna]

We don't want to slice a lot. I kind of. I want to see, like, flashpoints, dramatic moments in your life, modeling pictures. I want, like, a butler, Pennsylvania. Like, nothing. I. I don't really care about the 20 days leading up to the inauguration.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Like, for you.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And. Yeah. I want, like, backstory or like, any kind of. Yeah. Psychological. Just a little bit. Like, peel back the layers just a little bit. And I like, like Melania, you know, I think she's stately.

[Dasha]

She has her charms and her virtues. Yeah. I see that. She's like a very shrewd, pragmatic, loyal woman who's has a total contempt for weakness and a total lack of a sense of humor. She reminds me a little bit of Martha Stewart, who's much funnier.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And more self aware.

[Anna]

Yeah. But I can see how that's Melania, like, a thing she keeps saying in the film is about the best. The best how? Like, it's my creative vision. And this is like, she, like, insists on her, like, meticulousness. Yeah. Attention to detail. Yeah. Which is like. I don't really buy that.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I don't think she's like. Martha Stewart is an extremely meticulous person.

[Dasha]

Yes.

[Anna]

Who's like, has, you know.

[Dasha]

Yes.

[Anna]

More of a robust character. Um. And I get the feeling that she. Yeah. She wants to be perceived in this way.

[Dasha]

Yes. But.

[Anna]

Yeah, but the. It's very. The case is very flimsy.

[Dasha]

There was no case. Like, it is kind of. Yeah. I don't. Who is this for? It's just like, total magatard boomers.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And it's directed by Brett Ratner, canceled right wing auteur of rush hour and MeToo fame. I think we met him at the.

[Anna]

Zaya gala, what we did at the Tablet magazine.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Yeah. He was with Leah McSweeney. It's all connected. I'm pretty sure that was him because they're buddies. I guess it's cool that they licensed Rolling Stones giving Shelter. But the end. Billie Jean is bad and it goes on way too long. I like how the rape murder part falls on the Trump bobblehead. The music is funny also in general because it's just like, boomer hits.

[Anna]

Yeah. And it's such a flex to use, like, such. Such expensive music with really, like. No. Like, Gimme Shelter is not Like a particularly appropriate song. Yeah. Besides like being very expensive and sounding cool. Yeah. And then Billie Jean, there's is also plays like immediately after. Yeah. It's like jam packed expensive music and bad editing decisions. Completely. And like fake Super 8 footage.

[Dasha]

Yes. That they claim is the brainchild of Melania's dad, Victor Knobs, who used to.

[Guest]

Film all of our.

[Anna]

And there's some footage of childhood.

[Dasha]

Yeah. But it's actually just like Brett Ratner's idea.

[Anna]

It's like a filter on a. It's not even.

[Dasha]

Her favorite musical artist is Michael Jackson. Her favorite song is Billie Jean. Yeah. No bullshit. Like what? And then there's a point where she's mouthing along to the song in the car and later she's mouthing along to YMCA at the inauguration. I'm having deja vu because I'm pretty sure we discussed this and. Yeah. She's like kind of shy and stiff and inhibited. I told you, girl. She also reminds me a lot of Kim Kardashian. She can't tell jokes, she can't dance. Yeah.

[Anna]

She's got a great gait.

[Dasha]

Yeah. She's very statuesque and Amazonian.

[Anna]

She's got an interesting. And I like how her and Trump look alike.

[Dasha]

Yes. And that she can also look like her dad.

[Anna]

You say that, but I do. I didn't see it. I was looking out for it too.

[Dasha]

They have, they all have the same like glinting old world Germanic trickster eyes that turn upwards like Ragnar from Vikings. And she's like a Leni Riefenstahl woman. Well, she should be cast in bronze.

[Anna]

Unsurprisingly, this film is getting very bad reviews as well as people in the press being kind of like deliberately shut out of like preliminary screenings, which they are like up in arms about as well. But a refrain I've noticed amongst the like media class is that Brett Ratner is no Lenny Riefenstahl and that if this were like a well made or.

[Dasha]

Like Lenny Riefenberg.

[Anna]

But they're kind of like fronting that if it like was well made, they would give it its due.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But they're like somehow taking a like measured like no fair minded appraisal of it, even though there's like tons of contempt. That's the only reason they made this, which I don't believe Melania even really wanted to.

[Dasha]

Yes, you, you said this. And I don't know if I'm convinced by that because I don't see her as like a weakling or a pushover. And I don't think she would go along with something.

[Anna]

I think she had, like, flatters her.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

On some level.

[Dasha]

She didn't want to do it. I mean, I could see her taking one for the team.

[Anna]

I think she's a real ride or die.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And I think, you know, she had probably, you know, her creative vision is very strong. She also does this thing where. When people are talking to her.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Because a lot of the movies, like, her taking these meetings.

[Dasha]

Yeah. That's designed to make her look relatable and authentic, and it actually achieves the opposite.

[Anna]

Yeah. But it's kind of sweet how she, like, has. She don't only, like, physically resembles Trump, but she, like, is, like, by osmosis, kind of, like, absorbing. Like, she's doing Art of the Deal and her own, like.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Stupid way. Like, she's taking these totally, like, inconsequential meetings and, like, asserting her will in, like, a Trumpian fashion. But.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

In. Yeah. Like a very, like, effeminate kind of meaningless, like, whatever.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

What was I gonna say? I forgot something that she does that.

[Dasha]

You pick up on.

[Anna]

She repeats the last word someone says, like, when they're talking about the menu for the candlelight dinner. And he's like, and this is the egg with the caviar. And it will be. She. She'll, like, say it kind of. She'll go, ah. Like, to, like, affirm that she's listening, but really she has nothing to say.

[Dasha]

She's.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And she's not listening. And she comes off as a. As a person who's, like, totally lacking in interiority, which is, like, you know, an unfair assessment because maybe she is, but maybe she's not. Like, you can't really peer into anyone's soul. And.

[Anna]

Well, she was giving them.

[Dasha]

But she's. Yeah. And so wonder, like, why this is. This was made because, at minimum, she's unwilling to show it and, you know, as you pointed out, does. She doesn't seem extremely, particularly enthusiastic to be the star of this documentary.

[Anna]

She's not, like, mustering any. She's not. There's no variation in her levels of enthusiasm.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And she's, like, sad or happy or in boss bitch mode or in fashion designer mode. It's all kind of one.

[Dasha]

Yes. And like. Yeah. She. She talks like she's like, you know, submitting a resume or giving a book report. The whole. The whole documentary, it feels like a college essay. It's like, trying to prove how relatable and authentic she is. I'm sympathetic to, like, the hope the hypothesis that this is like the Trump's attempt to engineer their own independent media legacy because they historically have been snubbed by all the major media outlets.

[Anna]

I don't even think it's like that they're trying to create a parallel industry as much as they're just like flexing that they are able to.

[Dasha]

Which, like, why wouldn't they be? They have unlimited funds. Yeah. And she speaks exclusively in these weird ESL platitudes. She's almost like. Yeah, like a citizen who's getting naturalized.

[Guest]

The only thing we can do is cherish the moments with our family and loved ones while they're still with us. Family, business, philanthropy, and becoming the first lady of the United States again. Every day I live with the purpose and devotion, orchestrating the complexities of my life while nurturing my family.

[Dasha]

It's like you're not doing any of those things. But okay.

[Guest]

We want to create dignity and foster compassion.

[Anna]

I want, I would love to see a day in the life of Baron. That's who I want the 20 day, like behind the scenes because he's something. What's going on?

[Dasha]

Him. Scrolling past Curtis Yarvin tweets, what's NYU like being a guy wanna die? Group chat. Who knows?

[Anna]

That's the thing that's truly mysterious. As Melania is still mysterious. But the documentary is just too opaque.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[Anna]

And her greatest weakness, two things. She has very low level homosexuals around her.

[Dasha]

Yes.

[Anna]

Because she doesn't have access to like top tier, like liberal media, institutional ones. So she has all these like, they all kind of seem like Tim Gunn, but like dollar bin Tim Gunn. And they all kind of like gas her up.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And she has these, there's all this like B roll of them, like moving plates around or like Windexing, like pretending to work.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Anna]

It's all very.

[Dasha]

Homosexuals love being busy bodies though.

[Anna]

It's true. But there's no one with like any real vision. And then I said this to the girls, but at one point when they're making her inauguration dress, she says, oh, it's so me black and white. And she loves black and white. And they're really not her best colors.

[Dasha]

I know, that was a really great point because her best colors are probably.

[Anna]

Like, I think she's a soft autumn.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

But like camel champagne.

[Anna]

Well, she looks best when she's wearing that like safari tweed with the suit. Yeah.

[Dasha]

She looks amazing.

[Anna]

She looks fantastic. But then the one moment where I was like.

[Dasha]

Yeah, everything. Yeah.

[Anna]

Where she looks like she's like just Poached an elephant or something.

[Dasha]

Yeah. It looks like that brand international concept that was, like, sold at Macy's in the late 90s and early 2000s. Her stupid hat. I feel like all of her.

[Anna]

The gays are like, well, Melania, she's.

[Dasha]

A fashion model, so she speaks the language of fashion, and she has a background in architecture and design, so she brings her wisdom.

[Anna]

To our color sensibility. And she's like, I like black and white.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Guest]

And she's like, can you please make.

[Anna]

The lapel wider and smaller in the waist?

[Dasha]

And it's like all of her. Like, her sartorial decisions are actually kind of bad and all.

[Anna]

And what you're seeing now is the results of that meeting.

[Guest]

Our fitting was rich in meaning.

[Dasha]

It's so crazy.

[Anna]

But like I said, the homos are just not top tier. And she's really just. She's unfortunately not, like, a gay icon. She's not a slave. She's not camping. Yeah.

[Dasha]

She probably doesn't even like gay guys all that much, but feels obligated to have them because it's like the ultimate status symbol in America to have some gay slaves at your beck and call.

[Anna]

She, like, could be camp, but she, like, just falls short.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And it ends. It's in the. It's this very, like, tepid temperature.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Which is pretty unsatisfying. But the boomers were loving it at the. In the movie theater. They were.

[Dasha]

How many were there?

[Anna]

My theater was full. It was a small theater, but it was full. And there were two, like, old lady Anna and Dasha as besties sitting next to me. And they were like, she looks stunning. They were, like, loving it.

[Dasha]

They were eating it up. I mean, she does, like. She looks, you know, look amazing with under, like, blowout. Perfect hand. She does look really, really good.

[Anna]

She does. And, yeah. She has, like, grace and poise.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And dignity. I admire that. She's, like, discreet and private and probably, like, takes no pleasure in divulging any details about her, which she. Marriage or her family. She doesn't. It's respectable. But, like, to, you know, I feel like they didn't really understand the assignment because to not do that in a film project of this nature is, like, kind of a half measure. It's a half step.

[Anna]

It betrays a very, like, low level of skill as a filmmaker, I think, to not even make. Because every documentary is a type of propaganda.

[Dasha]

Of course.

[Anna]

Just some are better at making you feel like. Like the we. When we talked about the Martha Stewart.

[Dasha]

Dog or, like, Pee Wee Herman.

[Anna]

Yeah. It's like that was well made and that it made you feel like you were getting to know Martha even though you were still getting, like, a very, like, contained, curated impression of her.

[Dasha]

Yeah, totally.

[Anna]

But they couldn't even pretend that she.

[Dasha]

Was, you know, but that. Yeah, that's, like, what I wanted. I wanted Martha or Peewee, but out of Melania. Yeah. And they did such a bad job because it is just like, post Soviet and right wing mindsets coming together to create really bad, unconvincing art.

[Anna]

Well, you were right in that. It's like. It is like Soviet propaganda, like the critics say. Like, it really ain't Lenny Riefenstahl. It's like low tier, like, Soviet shit that no one's really buying.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I wanted to see watching. Anyway, I know why. Why can't we have Triumph of the.

[Dasha]

Will and, like, you know, this documentary doesn't make her look bad exactly, but it doesn't make her look particularly good either. There's this arc where she's grappling with the, you know, recent death of her mother, Amalia, and it feels like, if not exactly insincere, then contrived, there's something off about it.

[Anna]

It doesn't feel like she wants to talk about it, which I don't blame her.

[Guest]

She says, my mother's quiet strength and faithful devotion to my family made me the person I am today. And I strive to embody these qualities in my own life, to honor her legacy. My beloved mother was the richest thread in my life, weaving warmth, wisdom, and grace into every element of my life.

[Dasha]

It's like. Like, that's how you are gonna remember your mother in the. There's also a moment where she and Trump are, like, supposedly having this candid conversation about Baron during a car ride.

[Guest]

And she's like, yeah, I love him.

[Dasha]

And it's like, he's your son. Of course you love him. Say something, like, noteworthy or interesting.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

You get the sense that. Yeah, like, she's, like.

[Anna]

The most kind.

[Dasha]

Of indifferent and disinterested in everything around her.

[Anna]

The most, like, alive and interested. You see her is when they're discussing the, like, inauguration car protocol and, like, security. They're talking, like, the security team about whether or not they'll, like, get out of the car. And that's kind of the most. You even really see her piping up.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Oh, and then the moment where he's working on his speech and he says, I want to be known as a peacekeeper, not a warmonger. And then he says, I Actually don't like warmonger. And she says, say you are a unifier. And then it, like, cuts really badly to the speech where he's saying it. And she's dressed like the Hamburglar. And there's this, like, moment of recognition between them, but it's all, like, so flat.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Like, staged.

[Anna]

I hate to say it.

[Dasha]

Yeah. There's.

[Anna]

I wish she'd get some shine in the press so she didn't have to. Wouldn't have to stoop to.

[Dasha]

I know.

[Anna]

Like this.

[Dasha]

I know. I, like, also hate her, like, inauguration fedora and ribbon dress. I know.

[Anna]

Because it's really not her season. She look. She'd look way better. And Usha dresses very well, I think.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

She really. Her color palette is, like, interesting.

[Dasha]

I love that, like, macaron pink.

[Anna]

Hat.

[Dasha]

Or coat hat combo or whatever. Belted because it was both reminiscent of Jackie O and Camelot, but also playing to her strength because it's like an Indian color.

[Anna]

It's like, a little dusty.

[Dasha]

Yeah. It's like a perfect.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Like, reconciliation of, like, American and immigrant values. I even didn't mind her inauguration dress, which had all those, like, sequin spires, even though it's not really my thing, because at least it was, like, unique and interesting.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Love her off duty style because it's like a black turtleneck and blue jeans.

[Anna]

Yeah. And, like, frazzled.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Yeah. I'd love to get some insight into the. When she wore that Zara jacket that says I don't care. Do you?

[Dasha]

Yeah. Like, that was smaller.

[Anna]

I want, like, there are moments. Like, she's had her moments.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

No, she just. She doesn't even have bad style because she does look pretty good and put together, but she just has no style.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

It's very, like, basic Normie, but, like, high price point.

[Anna]

That's, again, why the Zara jacket's so interesting. Like, what was going through her head? That was Pierre or whatever, that kind of gay guy.

[Dasha]

I was like, oh, is that Herve Lejer? But it's some other guy.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Adam Lips, Bloomingdale's ass designer. Who the f. Who the fuck is he?

[Anna]

Who are these people? And, yeah, they're like, fake. Like, you know, they're like, ooh. She wants to cut the shirt, but I don't know if we can cut the shirt. I'm like, shut up. I'm like, no one's buying this, but joke's on us because we went.

[Dasha]

Opening weekend.

[Anna]

Whatever.

[Dasha]

The worst, least flattering part was when she was, like, on the horn with Trump. After he won the election, and he's, like, bragging to her about how it's a landslide victory and they're making history, and she's just, like, impatient and hangs up on his ass, which I get. Like, sometimes men are annoying and, like, want to babble at you, and you're.

[Anna]

Just like, well, had he won already at that? It wasn't like, election night because she was clearly with him.

[Dasha]

Yeah. But it was just like, a weird moment. And I don't know who left that.

[Guest]

In there because she's like, congrats, babe. Ttys.

[Anna]

I think it's made. Yeah. It's again, like, supposed to make them seem. Even Trump, who I love to see. Yeah. Is not as, like, you know, amusing or buoyant. Brett Ratner really flopped.

[Dasha]

Yeah. He had the best line where he was talking about how they put the national championship on the same time. Yeah. Probably did all the inauguration on purpose. Yeah. That was good. I also liked the footage of the inauguration, which, like, you could see without seeing the documentary.

[Anna]

Exactly.

[Dasha]

Where, like, Clinton and Dubya and Biden all look happy and jovial and they're, like, joking together and Obama looks miserable. I'm so. Michael is nowhere to be found.

[Anna]

And really gets. No. Well, yeah. My favorite part is at the end when they cut to the montage. I wouldn't even call it a montage. It's like Eleanor Roosevelt.

[Dasha]

Maybe Eisenhower.

[Anna]

Yeah. Eisenhower. Jackie O. They're like presidential portraits over cut to Melania getting her presidential portrait taken. Like, no more relevant first ladies need be mentioned.

[Dasha]

And her present portrait sucks. Yeah.

[Anna]

And the gay guys like, adjusting her shirt fakely.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Again, not her season.

[Dasha]

Yep.

[Anna]

It's not a slay.

[Dasha]

No.

[Anna]

The black and white. I know. I've. Yeah. I've recently taken great pains to replace wardrobe staples from black to brown and navy because I learned.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Through watching Korean AI color analysis videos. That they're more flattering shades on me.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Like, I can't really wear. I can wear an off white.

[Dasha]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Anna]

Or like a muted black.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But if something's too saturated, it washes me out.

[Dasha]

Yeah. It's too, like, high contrast. Yeah. You have to really be brown like me or Usha to get away with the stark black and whites. But then you can't really do too much in between.

[Anna]

Or like, grass always greener. Like a Carolyn Bassett kind of like.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Like platinum blonde.

[Anna]

Cool blonde.

[Dasha]

Gwyneth Paltrow. I actually really do love when blondes wear black.

[Anna]

I mean, it can be done.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But.

[Dasha]

But generally speaking, yeah.

[Anna]

Yeah. Her skin tone and hair are too warm. So the icy whites that are the best things about her and blacks really do her no favors, you know? I don't know.

[Dasha]

Hope she hears this.

[Anna]

Hope she. Hope you're listening.

[Dasha]

She's not gonna fuck you, bro.

[Anna]

The weirdest part, when her dad was talking, I guess in Slovenian. Uh huh. I think maybe there was a brief moment of like vo. But then it cut to just her speaking over him. Talking.

[Dasha]

Yeah. That was so weird.

[Anna]

About her mother or of her past. Vaguely. But like that who's. It seemed so inappropriate.

[Dasha]

Yeah. I mean I would have loved just like some sit down interviews with like. I know.

[Anna]

Which they clearly had because they did have footage of her dad talking.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But they completely dubbed it over with some like fake.

[Dasha]

The inspirational platitude. Right.

[Anna]

Her be best initiative, which she's continuing and talks to Brigitte Macron about over FaceTime.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

To get the scoop on how they're dealing with cyber bullying in France.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Guest]

She's like, Brigitte. Did you know that anxiety and depression are on the rise in American children because of their screen time? They're going on the computer too much. And Brigitte and I are passionate about fostering excellence and independence in children.

[Anna]

Gets cyberbullied by Candace Owens every day.

[Dasha]

I know.

[Anna]

She can't even protect her damn self.

[Dasha]

I gotta say, the two most stylish women in politics, setting aside whatever else I think of them, Brigitte Macron. No one gives her her due because they're too busy debating whether she's a man.

[Anna]

They're transvestigating her.

[Dasha]

And Miriam Adelson, she's incredible. I love her transition shades.

[Anna]

So funny.

[Dasha]

The weird glitter in her hair.

[Anna]

I laugh every time I see her.

[Dasha]

So amazing.

[Anna]

She looks like. Yeah, like nappy.

[Dasha]

She looks like skinny Roseanne. I guess Roseanne is skinny now, but they're similar.

[Anna]

Yeah. No, there's something like kooky.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Baddie, baddie, baddie, old bag.

[Dasha]

But I like love her style. Even though it's not my style.

[Anna]

Every time I see her, I laugh out loud.

[Dasha]

She's wearing like a bedazzled caftan.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And her glasses have like a jeweled chain. Oh my God.

[Anna]

Wow. Yeah.

[Dasha]

But you can't, you, you can't say she doesn't have style.

[Anna]

The dazzle. Yeah. Everything is.

[Dasha]

She looks amazing. She does look so cool.

[Anna]

I want style. I want like the full. Oh yeah, here we go. From Jewish Insider. The like yellow ribbon emoji on the dress with some skank. Oh, I love the Frosty lip.

[Dasha]

Me too. No, she looks great. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[Anna]

I can't hate.

[Dasha]

She knows her color family.

[Anna]

She does. Oh, my goodness.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

So psycho.

[Dasha]

I know.

[Anna]

It's so, like, satanic.

[Dasha]

It is. Yeah. She looks like she wrangles alligators.

[Anna]

The Zio clutch.

[Dasha]

I know. It's like Judith Lieberman or whatever that brand is where they make clutches in the shapes of, like, poodles and fortune cookies.

[Anna]

Sorry, just real quick. Here she is at a basketball game wearing a blazer that has, like, basketball motif embroidery. Good for her. Love her to death. And yeah, I know what you mean about Macron with the cunty bob.

[Dasha]

Yeah, she just. She understands, like, proportion and silhouette. Well, has a better sense of color. It's like, cool and French.

[Anna]

No ass. Yeah, it rocks. A skinny jean anyway, like a wedge.

[Dasha]

She kind of dresses like Victoria Beckham. Totally. It's like the same.

[Anna]

I see how she won that young boy's heart.

[Dasha]

Inspiring. I'm just looking at my notes. Yeah. I feel bad for Melania because she is, like, surrounded by, like, second rate sycophantic homosexuals. Not only like, her glam squad or her, like, devout planner, but also, like the. The St. Patrick's Cathedral. Gay priests.

[Anna]

Yeah, she's very like, sloth.

[Dasha]

Say a Hail Mary.

[Guest]

Have you been to confession today?

[Anna]

Would you like a blessing? It's a special place for a lot of people. Oh, your mom came here. Bless her heart.

[Dasha]

That's also such a bizarre, like, lie. Maybe it's not a lie, but being.

[Guest]

Like, oh, when my mother, Amalia was.

[Anna]

She came here a lot.

[Guest]

She liked to go to St. Patrick's Cathedral.

[Anna]

Yeah, it's like, oh, which church do you go to? St. Patrick's yeah, she goes to St. Patrick.

[Guest]

My mother loved Rockefeller Center. Christmas tree and skating rink.

[Dasha]

It's like.

[Anna]

Yeah, maybe she's been there, but. Well, it was interesting when they're, like, redesigning the White House, which they're making.

[Dasha]

It more chopped than ever. It's, like, so bad.

[Anna]

The White House.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I mean, it always kind of looks bad.

[Dasha]

It kind of.

[Anna]

I don't know. The Oval Office looks better. A little more. I like the more gilded vibe. But that was kind of interesting, though. They made it seem like. It was like they were like, they only have five hours to put the Biden stuff in the trash and then replace it with ours. And they're like, I'm like, five hours. If you have enough money, it's the White House. Yeah, I'm sure they can figure it out. A hundred movers clean all the rugs. And, like, some is like, I clean all the rugs. And, like, I'm like, whatever, I don't care.

[Dasha]

No, there was a lot of, like, like, fake, like, poorly introduced attempts at creating suspense and tension that didn't really exist.

[Anna]

Right. Because the stakes of everything she does.

[Dasha]

Are, like, incredibly low. Yeah. It's like you pay other people to handle everything for you and order them around, which is normal and to be expected.

[Anna]

There was that weird part where they. Oh, I was going to say it is interesting that they have some kind of, like, catalog of, like, antiques that they can, like, flip through. The first family to, like, decide what bedside tables Baron wants, sort of. And it was interesting that her parents, I guess, lived with them.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I'm really reaching here. I'm like, that was vaguely interesting.

[Dasha]

So immigrant coded.

[Anna]

Totally. But yeah, like, I want to see, like, Trump interacting with her immigrant, her foreign family.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I want, like, a little more barren.

[Dasha]

Yeah. This was really, like, ammo for libtards. Because they could always be like. I mean, they. They're gonna do it anyway, but they could be like, oh, yeah, like, she's a bought and sold, like, Slavic whore and their marriage is a sham and they don't really communicate.

[Anna]

There was a sweet moment after the ball.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Where he's, like, getting a snack. I do think she loves him.

[Dasha]

I'm sure. What choice does she have? It costs her nothing.

[Anna]

Unless. Yeah. She's got a lot to gain.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But I, you know, I think he makes her happy.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Because probably neither of them is that interested in, like, sex or romance.

[Anna]

I mean, at that age.

[Dasha]

And they like. Well, at that age. Yeah. But they, like, kind of building together and creating, like, a mythos. And obviously, like, as like a poor Eastern bloc woman, she enjoys luxury and creature comfort.

[Anna]

Exactly.

[Dasha]

I don't blame her.

[Anna]

That's. She's a Taurus.

[Dasha]

Oh, yeah.

[Anna]

Come as no surprise. She enjoys the finer things. She's domestic.

[Dasha]

Your horoscope says that you enjoy the finer things in life and are a magnetic lover. So true. So true. Like, everybody's horoscope says that.

[Anna]

And everyone agree and everyone's on board.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Except for, like, Scorpio, which is just like, you're evil.

[Anna]

Your psycho. Yeah. Pisces is like, you're dreamy. You feel like other people don't get you.

[Dasha]

You are misunderstood.

[Anna]

So me.

[Dasha]

I think we've probably done enough. I guess we can talk about the retard article. There's not really. Oh, I don't really care.

[Anna]

Yeah, I kind of.

[Dasha]

I mean, I just thought it was funny that the libtard experts that they poll are retarded. Yes.

[Anna]

And it's like they're disability advocates.

[Dasha]

A woman who's the director of the Institute on Community Integration at the University of Minnesota.

[Anna]

So, yeah, we're talking about an article.

[Dasha]

It's. We don't need to talk about it. I just felt the need to point that out.

[Anna]

It's in here if anyone wants to read it. It's about how the R word is back. I feel like the New York Times writes this piece, like every year.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And why it's still not okay to say retarded, even though clearly the Overton window has shifted and everyone's saying it 2000% more than they used to lived Hearts on X.

[Dasha]

Stop being like, it's not okay to say the R word because it's a slur against disabled people. But actually they know deep down it's not okay because it's a slur that's aimed at them.

[Anna]

Yeah. They want to. They don't want people to call them because they are. Yeah.

[Dasha]

And so they have to, like, make it about you being bigoted toward disabled people, which isn't a bipartisan issue. Nobody likes making fun of disabled people.

[Anna]

Literally no one. And that's not what it. And they, like, kind of discuss how the case people make is that it's not offensive to people. They quote, like Megan Kelly saying it's not really like anybody wants to make fun of people who are slow when it comes to brain development, she said on her podcast last month, is that they're sick and tired of being told what they can and cannot say. No one's trying to actually say something negative about that community, Ms. Kelly added. They're trying to say something about the person they're targeting that they're kind of slow, but they're not buying it. They talk about the history, you know, now that they quote Someone named Mr. Meckler, who I assume is some kind.

[Dasha]

Of disability act, by the way, nobody enjoys making fun of actually mentally retarded people. Not because it's morally wrong, but because it's low hanging fruit. There's no joy in it.

[Anna]

Of course.

[Dasha]

Like what we actually.

[Anna]

Yeah, we. The correct term is disability advocate.

[Dasha]

Oh, yeah. Instead of retard, this is great. Bond Benton, a communications professor, and Daniela Paterka Benton, a justice studies professor. So I'm assuming they're married and she's hyphenated and he's a cuckoo. Also. What the fuck is justice Studies. That's not a thing. That's. That's. Oh, want you to say it. Yeah.

[Anna]

They don't want you to point out.

[Dasha]

And then they, of course, yeah. Interview some conservative who, who calls it cultural Marxism.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Yeah. But they do inadvertently give us a. A good little rundown of how evil libtards do social engineering by, like, controlling speech and manufacturing consent. Perhaps the most significant rejection of the term came in 2010 when Obama signed Rose's Law, named after a young girl with down syndrome, replacing mental retardation with intellectual disability. In federal legislation, policies like, what's wrong with mental retardation?

[Anna]

Was the medical term, but then it became too offensive. And then they go, they talk, you know, this, like, stupid, dumb, feeble, like all these other words that used to be okay. But then it's like any word they come up for a person is gonna end up being offensive because it's always going to refer.

[Dasha]

This is like when they hit you with the advanced maternal age instead of.

[Anna]

Geriatric pregnancy, you're like, it's still offensive. Yeah, just say I'm old.

[Dasha]

Yeah. But they basically, like, reveal how, how evil and sinister all these, like, disability activists and advocates are. Like, they don't seem that retarded to me. They're actually, like, really quite capable at the art. Everyone else is pulling brow beating and bullying people.

[Anna]

They're just, they're. They're actually being, you know, weaponized and abused to, like, serve someone's means, I don't think.

[Dasha]

Yeah. So I didn't even mean to go down. This was.

[Anna]

That, was that. Anyway, well, I think we did it. I think it's so good.

[Dasha]

That's so good. And she.