Groom Cave

Summary

Red Scare Podcast Episode Summary: "Groom Cave"

Release Date: January 13, 2025

Hosts: Anna Khachiyan and Brett (Note: Transcript references Brett, though typical Red Scare hosts are Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova.)

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1. Cultural Insights from Trinidad

The episode opens with Anna sharing her recent trip to Trinidad, highlighting her cultural experiences and observations.

• Rastafarianism Exploration

  • Anna [01:04]: "I was one of the only white people I even saw outside of the hotel. I met some really nice Rastafarian people and learned about Rastafarianism."
  • Discussion: Anna discusses misconceptions about Rastafarianism, clarifying that while marijuana (ganja) is sacramentally used, they primarily revere Haile Selassie, the Ethiopian king.

• Local Interactions and Experiences

  • Anna [02:10]: Narrates an attempt to engage with locals for smoking weed, leading to a convoluted experience involving an ATM and a drug den adorned with Rastafarian imagery.

2. Gang Violence and Political Corruption in Trinidad

Anna delves into the socio-political landscape of Trinidad, emphasizing rampant gang violence and governmental instability.

• State of Emergency and Gang Dominance

  • Anna [04:47]: "Crackheads are starting the fires."
  • Brett [05:18]: Comments on the resignation of the Prime Minister amidst the chaos.

• Political Parallels and Corruption

  • Brett [08:00]: "Justin Trudeau, Indo Caribbean... but they're part of a parliamentary system."
  • Anna [07:17]: Highlights Trinidad's economic dependencies and recent decolonization struggles leading to increased corruption.

3. Grooming Gangs: UK and Global Implications

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing grooming gangs, primarily in the UK, and their broader societal impacts.

• Understanding Grooming Gangs

  • Brett [45:59]: "The grooming gangs in the UK are in the news because Elon was tweeting about it."
  • Discussion: The hosts explore the nature of these gangs, their cultural and racial underpinnings, and the challenges in addressing them without fostering racism or Islamophobia.

• Cultural and Racial Dynamics

  • Anna [49:06]: "It's real and seems really bad."
  • Brett [57:13]: A friend describes grooming as using compliments and gifts to lure victims, often within established criminal syndicates involving family clans.

• Societal and Media Responses

  • Brett [86:37]: "The grooming gang scandal was not exactly obscure... there was a major elite cover-up."
  • Anna [87:50]: Critiques the ongoing narrative and media framing that often dismisses these issues as conspiratorial.

4. Congestion Pricing and Public Transit in New York City

Transitioning to domestic issues, Anna and Brett discuss New York City's congestion pricing initiative and its ramifications.

• Details of Congestion Relief Zone (CRZ)

  • Brett [28:07]: Breaks down the specifics: "$9 base toll when entering Manhattan... increases to $15 by 2031."

• Economic and Social Impacts

  • Brett [43:25]: "It accumulates... making the cost of living higher."
  • Anna [39:07]: Empathizes with those affected but acknowledges her limited personal stake.

• Public Transit Challenges

  • Brett [32:26]: Criticizes the MTA's debt and mismanagement, arguing that funds from congestion pricing won't be effectively utilized for improvements.

5. Firefighting, DEI Initiatives, and Public Safety

The conversation shifts to the defunding of fire departments and the implementation of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) policies.

• Defunding Fire Departments

  • Anna [20:02]: Expresses concern over DEI policies leading to reduced effectiveness in firefighting.

• Impact on Public Safety

  • Brett [22:03]: Links reduced firefighting resources to increased vulnerability during wildfires and other emergencies.

6. Colonialism and Its Modern-Day Repercussions

Anna and Brett intertwine discussions of colonial history with present-day societal issues.

• Legacy of Colonialism

  • Anna [63:55]: "Colonialism... rich people inhabit these islands and don't contribute anything."

• Migration and Cultural Clashes

  • Brett [75:16]: Notes that migrants often come without contributing positively to their new societies, leading to cultural and societal tensions.

7. Comparative Analysis: Epstein Scandal vs. UK Grooming Gangs

Drawing parallels between high-profile scandals, the hosts analyze systemic cover-ups and their effects.

• Epstein vs. Grooming Gangs

  • Brett [85:30]: Highlights how both involve significant cover-ups that protect elites while victimizing the vulnerable.

• Media and Public Perception

  • Anna [86:37]: Critiques how similar narratives are treated differently based on cultural and political biases.

8. Final Reflections and Societal Commentary

Concluding the episode, Anna and Brett reflect on broader societal issues, touching upon ideology, self-interest, and the future of Western civilization.

• Ideology and Self-Interest

  • Anna [91:05]: Mentions Nicki Minaj and Foxy Brown as cultural icons from Trinidad.
  • Brett [97:24]: Discusses the challenges Western societies face in maintaining their values amidst internal and external pressures.

• Future of the West

  • Brett [100:22]: "It's the next phase. Yeah, yeah, yeah."
  • Anna [100:37]: Contemplates the decline of Western influence and the potential of colonizing new territories like Greenland as a fresh start.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Anna [01:04]: "I was one of the only white people I even saw outside of the hotel. I met some really nice Rastafarian people and learned about Rastafarianism."

• Brett [45:59]: "The grooming gangs in the UK are in the news because Elon was tweeting about it."

• Brett [28:07]: "Pay a nine dollar base toll when they enter Manhattan... increases to $15 by 2031."

• Brett [85:30]: "The grooming gang scandal was not exactly obscure... there was a major elite cover-up."

• Anna [63:55]: "Colonialism... rich people inhabit these islands and don't contribute anything."

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Conclusion

"Groom Cave" delves deep into a myriad of interconnected issues ranging from cultural observations in Trinidad to systemic failures in addressing grooming gangs in the UK. The hosts critically examine how historical legacies, political corruption, and societal policies intersect, shaping present-day challenges. With incisive commentary and provocative discussions, Anna and Brett offer listeners a comprehensive exploration of complex global and domestic issues.

Transcript

[Anna]

We're back.

[Brett]

Welcome to the back.

[Anna]

I'm back from the Caribbean. Do I look tan?

[Brett]

You do. You look good.

[Anna]

Thank you. I was really.

[Brett]

Are you working on it?

[Anna]

Yeah. But I was out and about a lot.

[Brett]

I saw you were doing a lot of walking around.

[Anna]

Yeah. And I was not always applying sunscreen just to work on that nice base tan. Thank you. Sorry. Trinidad's amazing.

[Brett]

Say more.

[Anna]

I was one of the only white people I even saw outside of the hotel. I met some really nice Rastafarian people and learned about Rastafarianism.

[Brett]

Cool.

[Anna]

Which I honestly didn't know. I thought they, like, worshiped weed.

[Brett]

Yeah. That's a fair assumption, but they don't.

[Anna]

They smoke ganja.

[Brett]

They worship sacramentally an Ethiopian king called Haile Selassie. Is that correct?

[Anna]

Ding, ding, ding. Yeah. Who I had no idea about.

[Brett]

I sort of didn't either, but kind of did because I was a Fugees fan growing up, and I was like, what is this reference? But I don't know anything about it or him.

[Anna]

Well, I went. Riley and I were trying to smoke weed. So we asked this guy with a Rastafarian guy.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

With, like, a Cookie Monster backpack at the park if he could help us. And he took us. He took us all around circuitously. He took us to an ATM and then to, like, a drug den. And it had all these pictures of that guy.

[Brett]

This is how grooming.

[Anna]

And I was like, who is this amazing. What. What is all this stuff? And then I did a little research. And. Yeah. And they worship. They think he's the manifestation of jaw on Earth, but he himself is an Ethiopian Orthodox Christian.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Anna]

So a lot of Rastafarians, when they, like, Bob Marley. Amazing guy. Did you guys know Bob Marley was based.

[Brett]

Was he?

[Anna]

I mean, in his own way. Yeah. In that he, you know, he was.

[Brett]

Like, woke in the old sense of the word.

[Anna]

Yeah. Anyway, he made a pilgrimage to Ethiopia, as some Rastafari do, and then often times they become Orthodox.

[Brett]

Okay. All I know about Bob Marley is that he sired a lot of children with a lot of different women. Based.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

And also that he refused Western medicine to cure his toe cancer.

[Anna]

And then he died.

[Brett]

And then he died.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Which.

[Anna]

And he got shot. I tweeted this, but I watched the Von Marley dog and the Ronald Reagan dog. Same birthday. Okay.

[Brett]

Aquarius.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Okay. February 6th.

[Anna]

And very similar, you know, both letting, like, the whole jaw guide them. Yeah.

[Brett]

Handsome actor types.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

That were concerned with public perception.

[Anna]

What was I saying? I'm Rastafari.

[Brett]

Now, I. I kind of.

[Anna]

White people can be. I'm into a dasha Rasta arc from the island.

[Brett]

Yeah, you just, like, get dreadlocks and start lecturing people on wee.

[Anna]

But it really made me think, like, weed should be this hard to get, like. Yeah, you should have to buy it from, like, Rastafari people.

[Brett]

A guy who leads you on a video game quest where you may or may not be robbed and raped.

[Anna]

Well, yeah. They declared a state of emergency a couple days before I went to Trinidad because apparently there's a ton of gang violence, but it's pretty isolated. Yeah, but there's, like, a ton of gangs.

[Brett]

What are the. What's the gang demographic breakdown? Is it like blacks fighting Indians or are they mixed?

[Anna]

It's mostly Afro Caribbean and black. Yeah, there's two. The PM resigned while I was there.

[Brett]

Damn.

[Anna]

I mean, nothing happens, like. And he didn't really resign. He said he wasn't gonna run. It wasn't. He looked at a Trudeau because they.

[Brett]

Have a parliamentary Afro Caribbean.

[Anna]

Justin Trudeau, Indo Caribbean, I guess he had that turban on. But they have a parliamentary system. I learned similar to Canada because of the.

[Brett]

Thank you, Anglo.

[Anna]

Thank you. Yeah, you really. There's a lot of really beautiful, like, colonial architecture that's, like, run down and, you know, it's really fun. Yeah. Yeah.

[Brett]

It's like a relic of Anglo civilization and governance. I'll get back to this when we talk about the grooming gangs. But I was watching this clip of Jordan Peterson on Piers Morgan. He's like, it's just. It's so sad to see what you guys are doing to yourselves as an American or a Canadian. This glorious civilization and culture. And you guys aren't growing a spine or standing up for yourself. And you were the ones who gave us decent government and common law. And he's 100, right. I'm not even mocking him.

[Anna]

I mean, Trinidad's very corrupt.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And it's basically. It's kind of a welfare state, I was told.

[Brett]

Yeah, definitely. It's like Haiti. It's probably just like a client state.

[Anna]

I mean, they.

[Brett]

Of the U.S. like, who's their main benefactor?

[Anna]

They have had. I don't know. I mean, they have a lot of trade relations, which I was in Port of Spain, which isn't really like a vacation destination. It's kind of like commercial. And there was like, some Japanese presence. I mean, they have oil. That's how they got their. Yeah, the money.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But then they became independent in, like, the 60s or something. They Got decolonized, and now they're extremely corrupt.

[Brett]

And the two parts of colonization?

[Anna]

No, because, I mean, but it's like, you do. I was like, wow. Like, the problems here feel so insurmountable, and this is just a tiny island, you know? And, like, how can you even. America is such a big place. It's crazy. Donald Trump's gonna fix it all.

[Brett]

Mm. By annexing Greenland and the Panama Canal. And Canada.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

I don't know much about this topic.

[Anna]

I mean, but off the top of.

[Brett]

My head, it doesn't seem like the worst idea.

[Anna]

Well, there isn't. Real. I mean, Trump had a press conference at Mar a Lago where he said that he. They asked if he would use military or economic pressure in his project, and. Or if he could say that he wouldn't. He said no. And then Trudeau tweeted that. I mean, it really is such a.

[Brett]

Like, he got Trudeau to rage. Quit.

[Anna]

Retarded timeline. Well, Trudeau quit before. I'm trying to find my phone. Sorry.

[Brett]

I'm just gonna keep promoting this false narrative that Trump cucked Trudeau into quitting.

[Anna]

Is that in my. Am I duffel that in my coat, rather. No, Sorry.

[Brett]

No, it's okay.

[Anna]

Anyway, he said that there's no chance that Canada is going to become part of America, which. Yeah, a little bit of hubris there, I thought.

[Brett]

Aren't a surprising number of Canadians actually kind of into the idea? That's what I heard.

[Anna]

I mean, there's always. Yeah. And Greenland is. Has like, 50,000 people.

[Brett]

Yeah. So, yeah, it's like a wide expanse of uninhabited land or, like, barely inhabited land.

[Anna]

And there I actually looked it up.

[Brett]

Because I know Greenland, and it's huge.

[Anna]

Well, I remember learning as a kid that Greenland was icy and Iceland was green. And that's when I knew this. This world was a lie. Okay, hold on. I am going to find my phone because I have notes on it.

[Brett]

Yeah, I guess. We. We already have a military base over there. He sent Don Jr. Over there. Yeah, take your time, because I have really nothing that interesting or insightful to say on this topic. This is what happens when you smoke too much weed on vacation.

[Anna]

Praise.

[Brett]

Jah.

[Anna]

I found my phone.

[Brett]

Yeah, I just read the Loki Juliana's tweet that was, like, geographically and strategically important. In the Western Hemisphere, most of the inhabitants are basically Eskimos. One of the largest cities already is an American military base. No mass migration concerns in either direction. I mean, it's obviously a strategic land mass.

[Anna]

Yeah, well, it's part of Denmark.

[Brett]

Yeah. It's like. But they have autonomous territory, technically under the auspices of the Kingdom of Denmark.

[Anna]

Okay. Why not just make an America?

[Brett]

This is just like, my curtain.

[Anna]

And then Germany and France said, you know, greenland's not up for grabs.

[Brett]

Ooh, ooh, what if it is?

[Anna]

What if it is? What if the art of the deal changes things?

[Brett]

We've become so cynical and desensitized that we can't imagine great colonial land grabs even happening again because all the grand myths and narratives are dead and buried. But, yeah.

[Anna]

He said he was going to rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America, that it had a nice ring to it, and it does. I like the sound of that. The Panama Canal seems harder. Greenland does feel kind of like, up for grabs.

[Brett]

Uhhuh.

[Anna]

And, like, if they want their independence from Denmark, you. Those people could be swayed.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

They're like Inuits. Yeah.

[Brett]

Make them a deal they can't refuse.

[Anna]

Well, originally they were Nordic settlers, and they mysteriously disappeared.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Anna]

No one knows why.

[Brett]

That's mythical.

[Anna]

Yeah. I read the little, like, dossier. I, like, went down some rabbit hole that they distribute at the. To the military base to, like, their little, like, PowerPoint. And the Norse arrived in Greenland during the 1900s, mysteriously disappeared, and then they were colonized by Denmark, late 18th century. And now they're Greenlanders who are Inuit.

[Brett]

So they're Asian.

[Anna]

They're fino Ugric. I'd go. We should go.

[Brett]

Yeah. Red scare press trip to Greenland. But, yeah, I guess symbolically, it represents, like, a blank slate.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

And Canada is like, a great frontier where man can master and dominate the land through extraction of resources and use of technology. It's like a Battlestar Galactica type scenario. A return.

[Anna]

It's fun.

[Brett]

Yeah. You can try to make some new myths.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

I have such a lisp. I can't even say myths.

[Anna]

Lisping retard.

[Brett]

Myth.

[Anna]

My vocal fries worse than ever.

[Brett]

Remember that discourse from a few years ago that was about colonizing space? And all the women and minorities were, like, chimping out because they were like, fuck this. There's not enough resources going around on Earth, and you have to divert the resources to the marginalized and underprivileged. And all the men with, like, Elon Musk at the helm are like, yeah, Lfg.

[Anna]

They have that fian spirit.

[Brett]

I'm lacking in Faustian spirit, but I have an appreciation for. For it.

[Anna]

Sure.

[Brett]

And not just because I'm a woman, but I'm also an Earth sign, so kind of like a stick in the mud.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

I'm concerned with, like, real world problems.

[Anna]

I mean, I don't think there's anything.

[Brett]

Really budgeting and allocation, but. Yeah.

[Anna]

Out there for us in space. But I've been wrong before.

[Brett]

Yeah. My worst fear is that we annex Greenland and then it becomes like a massive DI program, like firefighters in la. Also, the cigarette carton has, like, it says, your smoke may kill your children, and it features a black toddler with, like, box braids lighting up.

[Anna]

I think her mom is blowing smoke in her face.

[Brett]

Oh, no, the mom is holding the cigarette. Wait, but look, it looks like the kid is holding the cigarette.

[Anna]

Yeah, that's the Trini cigs I got Anna.

[Brett]

Yeah, they're good.

[Anna]

They're Marlborough.

[Brett]

People were talking about some Equinox ad that was like a ripped black guy holding up a baby. And it was like, commit to something.

[Anna]

That's their new slogan.

[Brett]

And everyone was like, man, they. They really didn't think this one through. But what if they did?

[Anna]

Oh, yeah, what did?

[Brett]

And it was kind of like a base avant garde commentary.

[Anna]

Equinox has always had boundary pushing kind of libidinally charged ads, but I wish they'd commit to cleaning the bathrooms a little more and keeping their facilities a little nicer, considering the exorbitant price. No offense.

[Brett]

No, it seems like random hairs in the shower.

[Anna]

Well, I don't. I'm not a member anymore because I have a gym in my building.

[Brett]

I've never been a member, but I've always used Eli's day pass. And yeah, the bathrooms are bad.

[Anna]

Yeah, I mean, it depends on the location, but a lot of them are. Not because it's a third world country.

[Brett]

But. Okay. Yeah, I'm fine with this plan.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Not instinctively averse to it. And like Trump also knows that none of these countries have any leverage.

[Anna]

Because.

[Brett]

They depend on American largesse.

[Anna]

The Kingdom of Denmark.

[Brett]

Yeah, well, Denmark seems like it's rich but powerless.

[Anna]

Well, NATO, yeah. Right.

[Brett]

Yeah. But I don't think that they're, like, really a big player on the global scene.

[Anna]

I mean, I.

[Brett]

Do they. Does Denmark have, like, an active military?

[Anna]

I mean, they're all part of the eu. I'm sure they have some military, but I don't think they're gonna go to war for Greenland.

[Brett]

But he's right to dangle incentives during the negotiation process. The art of the deal, baby.

[Anna]

Yeah. Yeah, He's a smart. He's a businessman.

[Brett]

It's cool of him to bluster and threaten. That's how the sausage gets made.

[Anna]

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how it goes.

[Brett]

I mean, my instinct is that it probably won't come to pass, but. Yeah, it's not the worst thing if it does.

[Anna]

Oh, the fires.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah.

[Anna]

Thoughts and prayers. I know a lot of people whose whole ass house burnt down.

[Brett]

Yeah. Never thought that would happen.

[Anna]

That's crazy.

[Brett]

I'm like, I know so many people whose homes have burned down, like tearing up like Jordan Peterson style. Never mind that they actually had their home.

[Anna]

I've been in some of those houses. I mean, it is, you know, I've.

[Brett]

Had sex in some of those houses.

[Anna]

I probably haven't even. I don't think I've ever had sex in the palace. But it was beautiful. I mean, they'll rebuild.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

It's fucked up though.

[Brett]

It's crazy.

[Anna]

Apocalyptic.

[Brett]

And the mayor is like on an expense trip to Ghana and the fire hydrants don't have water.

[Anna]

For real. Yeah.

[Brett]

They like defunded the fire department and tried to diversify it.

[Anna]

Yeah. There was.

[Brett]

You sent me that headline that. That was like most firefighting jobs are go to white men. Let's change that. And it's like, why would you want to do a job like firefighting?

[Anna]

Yeah. I mean, I love firefighters, but they are like have. They have to be extremely brave and they're all like haunted and heartbroken.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And devote their lives in service to others and like watch people die and burn to death and snow. Like it's crazy.

[Brett]

They constantly die of smoke inhalation when they're breaking up illegal Chinese gambling parlors.

[Anna]

Well.

[Brett]

While trying to save like women and children.

[Anna]

Low key Julianas had a good.

[Brett]

Yep.

[Anna]

A very sentient point. That firing everyone who didn't want to be forced to participate in a massive liability free clinical trial leaves us in a bad position when we need individuals who show initiative and self possession to deal with some catastrophe. He's basically saying that. Yeah, well, a lot of firefighters lost their jobs because they don't want to get vaxed.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think they're still. Still possibly losing their jobs. Yeah. We owe them a great debt, but they are not in an enviable position. And like why would you want to DEI the fire department?

[Anna]

Yeah. I mean it's a good job in terms of like providing for a family.

[Brett]

But it comes out of high risk.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

You're less hated than cops.

[Anna]

Yeah. Way less. You get to go. Go down that pole.

[Brett]

I understand the idea of like police. Don't you have a Dalmatian classifying police departments? Because you do need Police officers that represent the local demographics.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

To deal with the local population.

[Anna]

Right.

[Brett]

But that's not necessarily a requirement of firefighting.

[Anna]

I mean, definitely not.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

It's putting out the fires, which they don't seem to be doing enough. Of course people are talking about climate, you know, climate change. But. Okay, but like, there's something else that's wrong.

[Brett]

Yeah. It's because vagrants are smoking meth on the beach. I know.

[Anna]

Crackheads are starting the fires. And she's probably on to something.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

She's got, like, street smarts and wisdom. When she said that, I was like, damn.

[Brett]

I was clicking like on those tweets.

[Anna]

They're high on spice.

[Brett]

Yeah. I. I don't think it really helps the situation. And the Santa Major flammable.

[Anna]

It's the winds.

[Brett]

Yeah. That are. But they've always skid row detritus to the beach.

[Anna]

It's all around. It's east and Altadena. I love Altadena.

[Brett]

Anna Kasparian had a good tweet. I'm gonna pull it up. She's been on one lately. Welcome to our side, Anna.

[Anna]

Another Anna K. I don't even care.

[Brett]

If you're infringing on my territory as the based right wing Anna K. Or whatever.

[Anna]

It's. You know, you gotta make those. Oh. What do you think of Elon's new positivity mandates I algorithm.

[Brett]

You'll have to fem splain those to California, and especially Los Angeles is controlled by Democrats. They are responsible. No more passing the buck. Our mayor, who was in Ghana as fires exploded in our city, cut the fire budget by 17 million. Endless amounts of money funneled to scammer homeless nonprofits. We're the highest taxed yet. We have encampments and squalor everywhere. Even worse, we don't even have enough firefighters to respond to the absolute disaster we're fighting right now. Rather than conserve the record rain we got last year, we just drained it into the ocean. We are a failing city run by a sick excuse for local government. You want to radicalize people against the modern Democratic Party, Send them to la.

[Anna]

Damn.

[Brett]

Yeah, yeah, LA sucks. I have no patience for the climate change lobby because I'll grant that maybe some amount of climate change is occurring, but this really comes down to bureaucratic mismanagement and misallocation. It's a totally, like, preventable and avoidable disaster. I'll also grant that some number of wildfires do break out. I mean, this is routinely and semi organically in Malibu. Yeah, this is the Palisades. It's like a common occurrence.

[Anna]

Yeah. But this is just unprecedented in its scale as far as. I mean, I've never seen anything like it. Yeah, definitely not in my time in la. Yeah, I, I hold kind of a radical view that, that the weather is definitely like, God definitely controls the weather. The Holy Spirit is, you know, if anything, if it manifests in any way, it's like, you know, the wind.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

So if there's climate change, you know, it's like, okay, well, it's God's wrath. Not necessarily his wrath, like, you know, his plan. There's like a long, you know, arc towards justice.

[Brett]

Taxi driver monologue.

[Anna]

One day a rain's gonna go down. Yeah. Meanwhile, so cold and.

[Brett]

Well, yeah, I was like prepared to sound off about our problems here, which is like women getting immolated on the subway and congestion pricing coming into effect.

[Anna]

But then what do you think about the congestion pricing you're anti. Because you drive a car.

[Brett]

I like, I said many times I could be sold on congestion pricing if any of those funds actually went to the stated purpose, which is making like essential repairs and improvements to the public transit system. So like subways, buses, roads. But I doubt the public transit system will ever see any of those funds. It's gonna, they're gonna line the pockets of like grafting politicians and their bureaucrat cronies and yeah, it's gonna get funneled into various your Black Pill Liberal NGOs that buy Canada goose parkas for like military age African men. It's annoying. It's like, you know, a lot of people on the far right like to call it a white people tax.

[Anna]

Right.

[Brett]

Well, a lot like what isn't? But it's more of like a middle class and working lottery tickets tax.

[Anna]

Yeah, a lot of things. Yeah. Well, a lot of people bought cars during COVID I think, and now people drive their cars into the city and some of those people can afford a congestion tax, but a lot of people cannot who need their car.

[Brett]

Yeah. It accumulates. And I'm sure the vast majority of motorists who are going to get hit by this new toll are coming in and out of the city for totally essential reasons like work and family.

[Anna]

Mm.

[Brett]

So this is from like sienna.

[Anna]

It's $9. How do you know how much it is?

[Brett]

Yeah. So pay a nine dollar base toll when they enter Manhattan, anywhere south of and including 60th street during peak hours between 5am and 9pm on weekdays and 9am to 9pm on weekends. The toll rate drops to 225 during off peak hours. In addition to Crossing south over 60th street, eight bridges and tunnels leading lead into the zone. These include Ed Koch Queensborough, Williamsburg Manhattan and Brooklyn bridges and the Hugh Cary Midtown Holland Tunnels. This is known as the congestion Relief Zone crz. The tolls are collected through cameras that are already set up along the included routes and will be charged automatically through Easy Pass or by mail for vehicles not equipped with Easy Pass. The sneaky thing was how they tried to pass and then halted this initiative over the summer. Yeah, because they had an election to win and like senate seats to fill presumably. And then Kathy Hokel that did a solid and lowered the initial hole from $15 to $9. So generous of her.

[Anna]

I mean 15 does seem so exorbitant compared to 9, but 9 is still a lot.

[Brett]

Well, the other thing that like you can definitely bank on since this pricing has already been introduced is that it's going to go up over the years. Yeah, like they're not gonna pause it or scale it back. And this is from the New York Times. Sales will increase to $12 by 2028 and to $15 by 2031.

[Anna]

And people, I saw Matu posting some images of people celebrating.

[Brett]

They're happy because they're libtards and gentrifiers.

[Anna]

And they think it's like a climate thing. They're like less people driving car.

[Brett]

They think, well the precedent for this is London which already has one of these tolling programs in place. It's called the ultra low emission Zone, the ulez. And on paper it's supposed to be like lowering the number of non compliant vehicles on the road and reducing toxic air pollution while raising money for the city. So basically they're framing it as a green initiative, which is insult to injury. Yeah, they're not doing that here yet. They're mostly focusing on congestion versus pollution. Yeah, but I also read a New York Times opinion piece that said that, you know, it's only been in effect for like three days. By the time we put this up it'll be like a week or something. But it's yielded mixed results so far. It's reduced congestion on bridges and in tunnels, but not so much in the relief zone itself where traffic is still sluggish during peak hours. But yeah, I mean off the bat you could really improve the subway system overnight by enforcing payment of subway fares and rounding up subway vagrants and criminals, which they won't do. And now they're saying, well this is gonna encourage, I. E. Force more people to use the subway. So they're packing more commuters into like an already overburdened. Overburdened and broken system. Yeah. That we're told all the time is like on the verge of collapse and about to hit a crisis point.

[Anna]

During peak hours when already people. Are they gonna. What are, what's. Are they making more trains or making them run more. Yeah, often.

[Brett]

And like, you know, the other thing that, that they can do, which will take more time and effort obviously, is to cut the administrative blow in the transit authority itself where they're getting like six figures to take lunch breaks and trade PDFs and giving all of their friends and family cushy consulting gigs.

[Anna]

Right.

[Brett]

And you know, also this money is already accounted for because the MTA is horribly in debt.

[Anna]

Is it?

[Brett]

Yeah. Oh yeah. And they're.

[Anna]

Damn, dude. Yeah, it's worse than I, I didn't even know.

[Brett]

And they're basically trying to raise 15 billion to pay back the debt that they're going to incur because they're selling off bonds to get funds.

[Anna]

Huh.

[Brett]

To make these necessary upgrades which you.

[Anna]

Think they won't even do.

[Brett]

No, because they haven't attempted to make them yet.

[Anna]

Well, would they just start at the congestion price?

[Brett]

Yeah, I know, but it's been like decades of like stagnation and disrepair.

[Anna]

Yeah, definitely.

[Brett]

The subway system is in shambles. And the thing is like, you know, you go on Twitter and you see a lot of X. Excuse me. And you see all these like alarmist right wing influencer accounts that cherry pick all the worst like clips and scenes from the subway. Not just women getting burned alive on the Coney Island F stop, but like.

[Anna]

Did you read the article about her in the Times? Really sad.

[Brett]

White.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Surprising.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Cuz her name is Debrina Kawam. I was like, oh, that sounds like an ethnic name.

[Anna]

She changed her name to Debrina.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

In the thirst of psychosis.

[Brett]

Drug addict. Yeah, yeah.

[Anna]

It'S. Yeah. And yeah, I was reading Person Emily.

[Brett]

A random pretty white lady from New Jersey who like had a decent life and job and fell into alcoholism and probably drug abuse and ended up like this. It's sad.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

But what was I gonna say about congestion pricing? Yeah, I don't really see how this will yield positive results in the hands of like Democratic officials. And it's just gonna make the city more expensive and unlivable for like ordinary working poor and middle class people who.

[Anna]

Already don't live here.

[Brett]

Yeah, yeah.

[Anna]

Yeah. It's kind of. You come here to party and voted for Trump. It's a Trump punishment.

[Brett]

Yeah, it's a mag tax. So true.

[Anna]

Yeah, that sucks. I mean, I don't. I'm an island girl, you know, so it's not going to affect me.

[Brett]

When you see these, like, images of, like, horrible neglect or disrepair on the subway, not to say anything of the unspeakable crimes that occur, the reality is that the subway right now, even though it's, like, congested and ghetto, is pretty safe and functional overall.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Which, you know, I'm not making excuses, like, there's no reason in the world why, like, one of the richest metropolises in the world should be beset by, like, raving vagrants.

[Anna]

Got type of shit.

[Brett]

You realize how, like, fragile things are with the wildfires because everything can go bottoms up in a heartbeat. I mean, it did with Hurricane Sandy.

[Anna]

Yeah, that's true.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But we rebuilt. I wasn't here during.

[Brett]

And, like, the 2017 subway crisis. And it can always get worse.

[Anna]

Yeah. And your whole house can just burn down.

[Brett]

At least we have these great apartments, our amazing apartments.

[Anna]

My apartment's pretty nice.

[Brett]

It is. It's beautiful and cozy.

[Anna]

I think I've really tried.

[Brett]

My apartment's not that nice, but it's, like, it's a great deal. It's relatively cheap and spacious.

[Anna]

Yeah, I wouldn't say it's spacious.

[Brett]

It's for New York.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

True three bedroom. True three bedroom.

[Anna]

Yeah. Amazing.

[Brett]

I'm hoping so hard.

[Anna]

It's our office, you know, it's where we do the show. No, your apartment's nice.

[Brett]

It's fine. But there's no reason that people like us, with our incomes, we should be able to, like, afford a home.

[Anna]

Well, I've mismanaged some of my finances.

[Brett]

That may be.

[Anna]

Not going to lie.

[Brett]

That may be true. But the cost of living should not be so expensive relative to how mid the quality of life is, is all I'm saying. I'm not being a spoiled and entitled brat here. I'm not saying that I should be living in, like, Nicole Shanahan's Malibu compound or whatever, you know?

[Anna]

Yeah. You get out. You get off the block.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And you move to the Palisades and then your whole house down, you know, it's like, you can't.

[Brett]

And of course, like, it's by choice we choose to live here.

[Anna]

Yeah. I would.

[Brett]

And we could live elsewhere where the cost of living is cheaper and the quality of life is higher.

[Anna]

Well, in some ways, yes. The quality of life is not. Is mid. But in some ways it is good, you know, because we have access to Nice things.

[Brett]

Yeah. Experiences.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Social circle.

[Anna]

Nice infrastructure, like not architecture, you know.

[Brett]

Yeah, but you know what I'm saying, I'm not making. I'm not saying that like me personally, I should be enjoying an extremely lavish and wealthy lifestyle in spite of totally misappropriating my resources or whatever.

[Anna]

Right. But. Yeah, no, I, I hear you. I agree.

[Brett]

This is my most leftist take, that.

[Anna]

Our lives should be better, that we.

[Brett]

Deserve like marginally incrementally. The other interesting thing, maybe we should.

[Anna]

Get a job for the government. That could seems like a good way, become firefighters. A congestion comissar.

[Brett]

We're like doing skin extractions.

[Anna]

But yeah, it's. But it's always going to be kind of hard to live in New York, you know?

[Brett]

Yeah, but it could be. I'm just saying it could be nicer and easier for everyone for sure. Not just for us, for sure. Well, the other thing to that point is that congestion pricing was being pushed heavily by Uber and Lyft.

[Anna]

How come?

[Brett]

And they've poured millions apparently into paying lobbyists to persuade lawmakers to pass this initiative. They get hit with a $50 surcharge, and that's passed on to the customer.

[Anna]

But what do you mean surcharge?

[Brett]

Like their pricing goes up because of the congestion pricing. So in spite of what did you call yourself? A bedridden recluse?

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

You do get somewhat affected by this because every time you use a ride share, you're absorbing that cost.

[Anna]

But that seems crazy to me. Maybe I'm naive. Not to be naive, but aren't like all the Ubers and stuff the reason the city's so congested?

[Brett]

Yes, because apparently they also have added. Because all 100, 000 vehicles in the last few years.

[Anna]

Yeah, they give these like, guys Teslas.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

To make them indentured servants, basically. So they can pay off their Tesla.

[Brett]

Yes.

[Anna]

Doing the ride shares.

[Brett]

So they created the problem and now they're profiting off of it. Because as the New York Post explained, the. The $1.50 surcharge that you're getting stuck with on top of the base rate is still cheaper than the $9 toll you pay as a private motorist or the $290 fare you pay as a subway commuter.

[Anna]

But then do the drivers have to pay for the congestion toll? Because I bet a lot of the Uber drivers don't live in Manhattan.

[Brett]

Yeah, they're paying for it, but they're passing it onto you through price hikes.

[Anna]

I see.

[Brett]

So these massive tech companies have spent a lot of money making sure. That the, that this gets passed. I'm not against like taxation and tolls which is to be expected in any like modern functional society.

[Anna]

It just like there are too many cars in Manhattan. I'd love to. I would suggest getting rid of Uber. What I was thinking actually would be a great way to like reinvigorate the taxi drivers union just to focus on labor politics for a second.

[Brett]

Let's.

[Anna]

Let's take it to Doom scroll podcast. Welcome to Doom Scroll. What about the taxi drivers? I've been saying that.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

That's my most leftist opinion.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Is that I don't like the Ubers and I'd rather just get in a taxi.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Or some guy paid for a medallion the old style way.

[Brett]

I prefer those old fashioned Indians to the newfangled Indians.

[Anna]

Exactly.

[Brett]

Some guy bought a medallion for six figures and now it's like worth nothing on the free market. Sucks.

[Anna]

Yeah. It's extremely unfair.

[Brett]

And like all these activists love to talk about like local communities and like local color and like taxis were part of that classic New York culture. And in some parts of the city you can't even like, you don't even see a yellow cab anymore.

[Anna]

I know. You can't used to step out your house like Carrie Bradshaw.

[Brett]

Uhhuh. Hail a cab.

[Anna]

Hail a cab. Go. Go to Big's house.

[Brett]

Go to your situationship.

[Anna]

No more. I can still kind of hail a cab near me, but I mainly use Uber because it sucks.

[Brett]

Yeah. So I don't know, I guess I'm against congestion pricing. Maybe not in principle, but in practice.

[Anna]

I'll agree with you since I don't really have a dog in the fight.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

In the immediate sense, yeah.

[Brett]

But yeah, it sucks. Aging schmo with a leased vehicle and you have to like drive to your storage space in Greenpoint or your mom's house in New Jersey and you get like hit with some gay little tax that like incrementally but annoyingly makes the cost of living higher.

[Anna]

It's just a little slap in the face. Yeah.

[Brett]

And you're just like, you know, a productive taxpaying citizen who wants to see the material conditions improve for everybody.

[Anna]

In Trinidad on TV they have late at night they have a show called Crime Watch that has like a little ticker of the murder rate over the year.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And it was only at 2, but it's early in the year.

[Brett]

A 2 relative to what?

[Anna]

2 people murdered this year. This year.

[Brett]

That seems kind of high.

[Anna]

It's. Yeah. Well, 600 people or something were murdered last year. That's why they're in the state of emergency.

[Brett]

So it's like almost two per day.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Okay, cool.

[Anna]

Like I went to a Catholic church with a really cool Nigerian guy who's singing and putting his hands here and stuff. And a lot of the black families there. I was like, oh, I was. I bet they know someone who's been murdered like relative to the population. It's so many people. But the state of emergency doesn't even impose a curfew or anything.

[Brett]

Yeah, well, kind of like if you live in England, you know somebody who has raped and. Or been raped.

[Anna]

Yeah. Should we talk about the.

[Brett]

The rape gangs?

[Anna]

Yeah, the grooming gangs in the uk which is in the news because Elon was tweeting about it.

[Brett]

Yeah. Like a week or two ago, Pakistanis were breathing a sigh of relief because all eyes were like on Indians over the H1B visa stuff. And now they're like sweating because they're at the center of the discourse with the grooming gang stuff. I mean, the thing with Pakistanis is that they're both Indian and Muslim, so that's like double the rape culture.

[Anna]

It's really seems really bad. Yeah. Hard to say what the bigger issue.

[Brett]

Is immigration, legal, I mean, their religious.

[Anna]

Beliefs or their ethnicity?

[Brett]

Oh, yeah, I think like the, the religious. The religion are a proxy for the cultural makeup. I guess in the Sharia it says you need four witnesses to.

[Anna]

To sex.

[Brett]

You need at least four people at the gang rape.

[Anna]

Oh my God.

[Brett]

No, it says like you need four witnesses. Monica was tweeting about this to testify when you make a rape accusation.

[Anna]

Really?

[Brett]

So the rape gangs are also being really charitable and generous because they're baking the witnesses into the process. But yeah, this is all Elon's fault because he started tweeting about this decade old case out of rotter ham.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

And you know, maybe he was trying to like pivot and distract from the fact that he was like going too easy on the pajits.

[Anna]

Do you think his motivations were for. Because this. Yeah. There was an expose in 2011.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

In the London Times about these grooming gangs and then there was an investigation and then people kind of stopped talking about it. And then a couple years ago they did another investigation where they were like, oh, it's still a problem. But then that hasn't really been yielded.

[Brett]

Any results at all. Well, and then the latest development is that there's been a lot of outrage today because the. I'm going to pull up this Charlie Kirk tweet. I hope he's not tweeting a lot. It's really hard to like these influencers tweet so much.

[Anna]

Well, labor voted, which is the party in power.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

They voted against.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

There was an initiative to re. Re examine the situation with the grooming and they voted against doing it because they covered it up in the past because it's Islamophobic, racist, whatever. To point out that the Pakis are.

[Brett]

Really have a problem. Yeah.

[Anna]

The working class English girls.

[Brett]

Yeah. So the vote was 364 to 111 against opening a new inquiry. I get why people are mad and chimping. I mean, I think the tendency now is to see everything as a sign of like left lib, incompetence and or malice. But I just want to play devil's advocate here and say, like, in terms of opening a new inquiry, like, who's gonna lead it? What will it yield? What is the purpose?

[Anna]

Yeah, I mean, I read an, like.

[Brett]

What would it accomplish essentially?

[Anna]

Well, I read an article in the Financial Times which was attempting to make the case that this has already been addressed, that there was an authoritative study.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

That yielded a report where some professor who conducted this, you know, it's all this like, jargon. He came up with 20. Let me see, Professor Alexis J. Said that we've had enough of inquiries, consultants and discussions. He was the author of the report. We have set out what action is required and people should just get on, get on with it. And basically, yeah, he came up with 20 sort of like. But like things that are unrelated, they passed. Like an online safety thing that made it harder for like underage, but barely. You know, it's like they get all this stupid crap and then mostly nothing.

[Brett]

Yeah. What's to say a new inquiry, in other words, won't result in more time and money wasted on sick and twisted bureaucratic games. Like the old inquiry, from my understanding, basically revealed that yes, there was a rape epidemic going on in England, but it swept the cultural component under the rug. And if this new one were to say, like, actually this is like a quote, Asian problem, what would happen next? You can't exactly start sending them back because as it turns out, all these guys are illegal immigrants.

[Anna]

Yeah. And some were even born and.

[Brett]

Yeah. Or yeah. They're like native. They're fully natural, naturalized citizens. Yeah.

[Anna]

It's too late. Well, yeah, so the issue is with downplaying the racial component that then forced the labor party to effectively. It's not just the raping, it's the COVID up of the raping and then not Believing that, like, slags. Yeah. That there was like a, like, shagging Lily Phillips. Horrible. I mean, really bad. But to counter your devil's advocacy, another investigation would. Could potentially just create, I don't know, more. Make it easier, I guess, for a girl to get out of a situation.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Where she's been groomed.

[Brett]

But that would only happen if we acknowledge that this is a racial and cultural problem. Haven't they basically racially and culturally profile these people? And, you know, Louise Perry made a really great point that, you know, if you didn't know any better and there wasn't this mountain of evidence, you wouldn't be crazy in assuming that it was a malicious exaggeration or outright invention of the far right. Like, this sounds like a fake news story made up by right wing ideologues. It sounds like a parody. The first thing that came to mind to me when I was reading these accounts and reports was how it sounds like a curb episode. Like, if you remove the totally sad and tragic and toxic element out of it, it's like comedy gold. Like, you're walking home from school one day and a guy drags you into an alley and tries to rape you. And you get loose and run into a deli. And those guys pretend to make a phone call, but they take you into the back room and start raping you. And then against all odds, you escape again. You run into the street and you hail a taxi, or a taxi stops.

[Anna]

And asks if you need help.

[Brett]

If you need help. And instead of taking you to the hospital or the police station, he takes you to a remote location where he and 18 of his buddies, who may or may not know each other and may or may not be related, rape you yet again. And then you emerge from your horrible ordeal battered and bruised, and finally make it to the ER and the staff rapes you again for good measure. Like, that's how these stories sound. It's like the curb theme plays.

[Anna]

I mean, it's a hostel. The movie.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

You know, where they're trying to. Like where every single person you meet is like, conspiring against you to get you into a rape dungeon.

[Brett]

Yeah. And here's. Here's Louise again. The authorities did not want to know the victims were called white or white slags. Not only did these crimes go uninvestigated, but victims and their families were frequently stonewalled or persecuted by the police, which, again, sounds like parody or propaganda, but it's not. If you were like a father who tried to protect or avenge your daughter by threatening her Rapist. You could go to jail if you left racist social media posts. You could get fined or also go.

[Anna]

To jail if you said, please let the. Can these Pakis stop raping me, sir? You get in trouble.

[Brett]

And meanwhile, like, you know, thousands of preteen and teen girls are getting raped, molested, trafficked, prostituted, impregnated and forced to have abortions. They're like beaten. They're threatened with retribution against themselves and.

[Anna]

Their families, but they're not okay. So the grooming, yeah, they're not being like, it's not an epidemic of like street abductions. It's like these guys hang out at the mall and prey on like, or.

[Brett]

On the corn or.

[Anna]

Yeah, girls and like.

[Brett]

I'm just gonna read this article. Excerpts from the sentencing remarks relating to the 2013 conviction of members of an Oxford gang have been circulated on Twitter this week. They tell the stories of girls between the ages of 11 and 16 being anally raped, branded with their perpetrators initials, forcibly injected with heroin, and trafficked across Britain to have sex with more men. The specific kind of crime that Rotterdam represents is absolutely racialized and is not rare. Rotterdam itself is a small town. By conservative estimate, 1400 children, the vast majority of girls, were abused over a 15 year period, representing a substantial minority of white girls living in Rotterdam at the time. A 2020 study by academics from Reading and Chichester universities estimated that one in 73 Muslim men in Rotterdam were prosecuted for their involvement in the abuse, with an unknown additional number evading detection. Almost everyone in Rotterdam knows someone involved, either as a victim or perpetrator. It should not surprise us that during last summer's race riots, the town was the site of some of the most serious violence. So I actually had a couple of questions regarding the grooming gangs. Like first of all, why are they called grooming gangs since the grooming seems secondary to the rape?

[Anna]

Well, the grooming is part and parcel.

[Brett]

It's the gateway to the rape. Yeah. Secondly, like when you say gang, what do you mean by that? I'm like, can't, but I'm like, fine, gang. But like my question was like, are they formal pre existing organized criminal organizations or are they like loose social networks that are formed kind of opportunistically or even spontaneously for the purpose of, of committing rape? I think, not that it changes anything, but.

[Anna]

No, I think it does. I mean, not morally, but, you know, and I, I, well the, in the.

[Brett]

Prior case it makes it much worse.

[Anna]

If they, I do think there is some. Or with the trafficking and stuff, it does seem that There is some, like, organized crime element that's more than just random.

[Brett]

Yeah, I. So I brought these questions to a friend of mine who lives in England and has a podcast, Yerk, and he had some really good answers. And in his words, the grooming part, like, it sounds euphemistic, but it actually describes a core dynamic where they lured these girls with compliments and gifts and other forms of ingratiation. They posed as their boyfriends, they tried to befriend their friends and families. They took advantage of their rebellious streak, obviously.

[Anna]

Well, it's like black guys in America, like, the Pakis are like, yeah, American blacks. That's like how pimps, you know.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Lure women into lives of, like, prostitution is by, like, getting them addicted to drugs by being your special and stuff.

[Brett]

And then the gang part. I was surprised, but not that surprised by the answer because he said that in many cases, these were established criminal syndicates that already engaged in, like, other illicit activities. So they were doing, like, drug dealing and welfare scamming and street level theft. And they were also often made up of family clans, like fathers, brothers, uncles, cousins. And he was pointing out that this is a feature that distinguishes them from, like, white pedophilia rings, which tend to be obviously made up of strangers who have sought each other out, like on the Internet or elites. Yeah. Because, you know, their immediate social circles are unlikely to, you know, share their interests.

[Anna]

Right.

[Brett]

And like, a friend of mine was saying that, like, well, gang rape is like the gayest way to have heterosexual sex. But I was thinking more like, okay, if you're like, gang raping with your dad and your uncle and your brothers and your cousins, isn't that like double the incest? Because you're already probably the product of incest due to cousin marriage, but then you're also committing incest in the course of perpetuating a rape.

[Anna]

Well, it's less of a taboo, certainly. Yeah, it's. I mean, in. In the way that it does feel almost like a fabricated, like, right wing news item.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I think there is something like emotionally really powerful about it because it's reflects the way that, like, people in England feel molested and raped by migrants in general.

[Brett]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like the H1B discourse and the grooming gang discourse seem like radically different things, but they're obviously the same thing in that they're attesting to, like, the limits of legal immigration. And here's another quote from Louise. Anyone with an ounce of sense should have realized that the post sexual revolution culture of Britain and the very conservative sexual culture of a Muslim country like Pakistan would not mix happily and like. The point is that even if the story is now being like, dangled for opportunistic reasons and is already years old, it's like pretty evergreen because this is clearly still happening in the uk. It's happening in Denmark, it's happening in Holland. Like, it's happening across the board where there is unlimited immigration from non Western, primarily Muslim societies. Not to make it about me, but it was happening in New Jersey when I was growing up and it happened to me personally. And it didn't happen. You know, it wasn't as extreme as, like, you know, they weren't like, burning you and your family alive in your house. Like, happened to Lucy Lowe, who was one of the victims, or, you know, cutting you up into kebab.

[Anna]

Oh, my God, the girl.

[Brett]

Which happened to Charlene Downs, another one of the victims. Say their names. And again, I think it was less extreme because in the United States, unlike in the uk, these communities were more assimilated while in the uk.

[Anna]

You know, Pakistani people came to the UK because Pakistan was part of the Commonwealth. I was, when I was in Trinidad, was thinking, colonialism. So great, you know.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

It's like, why did people. Why would anyone ever want to declare, like. Yeah, because I went on a boat tour to some more remote islands.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And the captain was telling me, yeah, there was all this, like, eroded kind of. He said that the colonists, the call, the colonists would, you know, yes, they extracted resources, but they also, like built things. And now just like kind of like globalist, rich people inhabit these islands and don't really contribute anything to them.

[Brett]

They not only built things, but as Jordan Peterson pointed out, they established a decent government and a common law. They not only gave them a physical infrastructure, but a legal infrastructure and a political infrastructure.

[Anna]

Yeah. But in a, you know, cruel, ironic twist, those people then came to the West.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And started grooming gangs in England. And then England was too cucked to.

[Brett]

Address the problem, to do anything about it. Because.

[Anna]

Because they didn't want to be racist or Islamophobic.

[Brett]

Yeah. Again, insult to injury. It's like not only were these mass rapes happening, but, yeah, there was a massive cover up by local politicians, law enforcement, social workers for racial sensitivity reasons because they didn't want to be seen as being racist or promoting negative racial stereotypes or whatever. And like, of course, like all sexual predators. And this is not in any way unique to, like Muslim or Pakistani culture. These guys were very knowingly targeting, like, Vulnerable girls from like poor backgrounds and broken homes, foster systems.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

But there is very obviously like a racial cultural component. The thing with this particular culture is that it's very patriarchal, but the patriarchy is weak. And like they don't respect women, especially white women. And you know, they see white women as like easy and disposable horror slags, whatever. And obviously like they also see them as foreigners.

[Anna]

The white. Yeah.

[Brett]

Like they see them as foreign to their culture, which in their minds is the superior and correct culture. And they don't give these people any special treatment as we do in the West. And like, of course, also, if we're being honest, their lack of respect, respect for white women has to do with the fact that they obviously desire and covet them but feel rejected by them. Like it's a cope for feeling inferior and insecure. And you know, of course, because these girls were white working class girls, no one really cared about them.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

They didn't come from money or a protected minority.

[Anna]

They were Hollywood actresses.

[Brett]

And then on top of that there's the issue that like progressive dogma views white people as uniquely privileged. So if you are a poor working class white, you clearly did something to deserve it.

[Anna]

Yeah. I read one of the girls who tried to escape her situation. They said it was a lifestyle of choice. Have you seen the movie Havoc with Anne Hathaway and Bijou Phillips? It's from like 2000.

[Brett]

That sounds awesome. It's.

[Anna]

She plays like a white girl, like maybe in the Palisades. Honestly, rich white girl in LA who is like an aspiring chola. She wants to like downwardly assimilate and hang out with Mexican bad boys. And Bijou Phillips ends up getting gang rapes because they wanted. They're like, we want to join your gang. They know what they're getting into, their high school girls. And then they say if you want to be in the gang, you got to roll these dice.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And the number that you roll is the amount of guys you have to fuck.

[Brett]

Yeah. Like, okay, I was that girl. I'm serious. Because I came from a dysfunctional home and I was rebelling against my parents and wanted to hang out with cool older boys with cars and drugs. And like, that was that. And it. At the time, it was totally my decision, my agency.

[Anna]

But it was a lifestyle.

[Brett]

Yeah, it was a lifestyle choice in my mind.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

And like, I forgot what I was gonna say. I.

[Anna]

You were groomed.

[Brett]

I was. And obviously like the. All the Muslim pundit and influencers are like not happy with the situation. They're tweeting out this Guardian article citing an old study by the home office that apparently shows that white men are responsible for most child abuse gangs. And they like to cite the statistic that like 87 of child sex offenses committed by white men. And it's like, okay, like, what are we talking about here? Only in the UK or in the Anglophone world, In the Anglosphere at large in all white majority countries. Like, where are these sample samples coming from? What's the time scale? How are we classifying white?

[Anna]

Like, what. You know, as with the, like the Franklin cover up, the Epstein stuff. As with like elite pedophile rings. The heinous aspect is, of course, the rape, but it's made much worse by like, the organization.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Facilitates it and then the subsequent cover up for.

[Brett]

Yeah, totally.

[Anna]

Whatever. For political reasons. It's the same thing. It's not the same as like, yeah, probably you're like Irish uncles, like, more likely. Yeah.

[Brett]

I mean, the thing is, like, well, obviously England is still a white majority.

[Anna]

Obviously. It's full of nonsenses and poofs.

[Brett]

So it stands to reason that, like, the majority of sex crimes against children will be committed. Is it still white man? Yes.

[Anna]

See that? Muhammad was the. The most.

[Brett]

Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull up this crazy tweet that I saw that also sounded fake, but it's real. But, like, yeah, like, what proportion of white men are committing child sex crimes versus, like, relative to the proportion of Pakistani men? I have a feeling that, like, progressives would not be happy with the answer. People, you know, have a very hard time understanding per capita, which is why it became such a meme, but it's like a basic SAT problem. It's like, okay, if there's 50 guys, if there's 50 white guys in the UK and five of them are child rapists, and then there's 10 Pakistani guys in the UK and three of them are child rapists. Which population has the higher proportion of child rapists?

[Anna]

Right, right, right. Steve Saylor, who I've been worried about in the why with the fires.

[Brett]

Oh, yeah. How's he doing?

[Anna]

Well, he just said the Runyon Canyon Dog park in the Hollywood Hills, which is the dog park right under the Hollywood sign, is on fire. And the wind is pushing the rush fire south towards the apartment buildings of Franklin Boulevard and Hollywood Boulevard, the evacuation zone. Mulholland Drive on the north, Laurel Canyon on the Hollywood Boulevard on the south. And Steve lives in the Valley. And now he says he doesn't know if his house will Be safe.

[Brett]

Well, we're sending power to Steve.

[Anna]

But if the Hollywood sign burned down.

[Brett]

I know, that would be so crazy.

[Anna]

We don't have the technology to 3D.

[Brett]

Print a new Hollywood sign.

[Anna]

Oh, my God, that's horrible.

[Brett]

It's so crazy. I can't believe this is actually happening.

[Anna]

That Hollywood's actually burning seems so bad. That's the day of the locust. Oh, man, that sucks.

[Brett]

Well, if anyone wants to come and stay at mine, she was saying a.

[Anna]

Real three bedroom and we only smoke cigs in one and a half.

[Brett]

Only one room is a fire hazard. This whole building is playing myself.

[Anna]

What were we saying? What were we talking about?

[Brett]

Oh, yeah, I was just saying, like, that you see these, like, commentators like Muhammad Hijab and Bushra Sheikh bringing up these statistics and you're like, are you a liar or both? Like, which one is it? Yeah, a lot of Muslim commentators have been doing this thing where they will deny the fact that it's a Pakistani problem or try to, like, re litigate the fact that it's being brought up now before denouncing the crime and sympathizing with the victims. And that seems insane and outrageous, but in a way, they're more resolved and.

[Anna]

Reconciled in their, like, clannish behavior.

[Brett]

Yeah. Like, then people in, like, the enlightened west because they don't really respond, respect or care about white people and like, why should they?

[Anna]

Right?

[Brett]

And like, yeah, like, these people, they'll come to, but they should care about.

[Anna]

Muslims, you know?

[Brett]

Yeah. Well, they're all mad at Andrew Tate now because he's like, as a new Muslim, he's like, this is giving a bad name to Muslims, you guys.

[Anna]

And a sex driver.

[Brett]

Yeah, allegedly. But, yeah, like, you know, these people will come to the US or the UK and act like they own the place and start accusing the locals of racism when, like, the burden of proof should be on them to demonstrate why they're welcome and positive additions to the, like, national population. But that's Anglo logic.

[Anna]

No good deed, like colonialism goes unpunished. Damn. Yeah, I saw Andrew Tate chiming in. But he's right. You, you know, why would you want, you know, if you want to make the case that this isn't an issue, then you should address it.

[Brett]

Yeah. I mean, the idea is like, yeah, you acknowledge it, you address it, you repent and atone. You take certain steps to make sure that it's not a problem in your civilization. But, like, they don't see themselves as, like, coming to the west and contributing to it. They see Themselves as conquering the west and promoting their own civilization.

[Anna]

Right.

[Brett]

Which is their prerogative.

[Anna]

I mean, that's really a problem with Islam, though. It's not, you know, the. Whatever. The like, dudes have their own, like, horny.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Like, pestering problem. But I don't know. I don't know.

[Brett]

Well, it's a problem for the west, but it's not a problem for Islam.

[Anna]

Right?

[Brett]

Well, yeah, and, like, I'm surprised that there was weren't more boys in the mix.

[Anna]

Right. What was that thing called in Afghanistan?

[Brett]

Oh, Bacha Bazi.

[Anna]

Yeah, you told me about that. There probably were.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I don't know. If I had to guess.

[Brett]

There must have been. Yeah. Like, in a way, you know, I see it more from the side of the foreigners who are like, maybe cheating and lying. Get over here. And then thieving and raping when they're here or whatever than I do from, like, the side the authorities who, like, not only sat back and did nothing, but let it happen and made excuses for it.

[Anna]

Yeah, but like, why are you in the hypocrisy of the labor party? Who purports to care about the working class, but then makes these woke concessions? The COVID of heinous crimes. Law and order. SUU would never. In New York City, sexually based offenses are considered especially heinous. And the detectives who investigate these vicious felonies are members of an elite squad known as a Special Victims Unit. And if they had that kind of thing in the uk, maybe we could start to change things. Maybe if they voted on having another investigation, they could start a special victim and they could have their own Mariska Har. But I don't know, England seems. I don't know.

[Brett]

Yeah, seems funny. Sorry, I'm, like, freezing pretty cold.

[Anna]

Yeah. I'm so cold. Yeah.

[Brett]

Just going to start hot boxing cigarettes.

[Anna]

Grimes just had to evacuate.

[Brett]

Oh, no.

[Anna]

And on her way to a friend's place, they got an evacuation warning.

[Brett]

Okay, so she has to evacuate again.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

So it's just like living in a punk house.

[Anna]

Oh, man.

[Brett]

It's a familiar dynamic. All of our friends and random people we know from the Internet are evacuating and losing their homes. It's so bad, it sucks.

[Anna]

Come to New York. Congestion processing and a beautiful subway system. Escape from LA for real.

[Brett]

Come to New York where it's too.

[Anna]

Cold to start a fire to smoke cigs inside.

[Brett]

Unless you're on Coney island, which is like our Malibu.

[Anna]

Oh, well, I was gonna say. Right, so just to circle back to Trinidad.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

When I I really was chopping it up with the locals. I talked to a lot of different kinds of people and I came away with a real impression. Like everyone seemed to sort of understand that both. So the two political parties roughly correspond basically to the Afro Caribbeans and the Indo Caribbean. And they're almost like split and then there's like obviously some race mixing. But basically the Afro Caribbeans have been in power since Trinidad became independent.

[Brett]

Okay, makes sense.

[Anna]

And they're not doing a great job and they're seeing eye cleaned. But though the. Everyone kind of is. Has noticed that the. They're called the ppm, the people's something Movement people. Populist people's movement. That's the Afro Caribbeans, that they're not a smart as the Indo Caribbeans, but the Indians are far more corrupt. They're both corrupt. They're both extremely corrupt. But the Indians, in the short interims that they've been in power have proven to be like corrupt to the extreme.

[Brett]

Wait, but were the Indians in power before independence because they were like the emissaries or vassals of the old colonial powers, or are they just coming to power now?

[Anna]

They're not coming to power now. It's unclear who will be in power now. The PPM has been in power for a while.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Anna]

And they're Indo Caribbean. What's it called? The incumbents. The sitting on the one that's not.

[Brett]

Is.

[Anna]

Her name's Kamala. But. Yeah, that is to say the races are distinct.

[Brett]

Yeah. But have the Afro Caribbean. Has the Afro Caribbean political party not. Not gotten a chance to prove its levels of corruption because they have less power and they haven't been in power as long or.

[Anna]

No, they have. They've been in power longer. They're also corrupt.

[Brett]

Okay.

[Anna]

But they are like the democrats. They kind of maintain like a welfare.

[Brett]

Okay. And the Indo Caribbeans are richer and more elite.

[Anna]

Well, they've just. Yeah, they're better. They're better educated. They're more interested in social mobility.

[Brett]

So like, roughly speaking, the Afro Caribbeans are like the liberals and the Indo Caribbeans are the conservatives or I don't.

[Anna]

Think it's like it really maps directly.

[Brett]

They're all leftists.

[Anna]

Or like. I don't know. Yeah, I'm kind of more into like a Rasta, Rastafari, where, you know, peace, love, unity.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Respect Africa. And it says in the Bible that God gave us herb. So there's total sorts, you know, scriptural sources, very constant smoking of weed, which is very cool because it makes you confused and Downwardly assimilated. But you. It's.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Nice to like incorporate it sacramentally into kind of a futuristic Christian Afro thing.

[Brett]

Yeah. And I was thinking about how being, you know, an already established criminal organization before you got to the gang rape makes the grooming easier. Because if you're dealing drugs and stealing stuff, you can groom girls more easily because you can give them drugs and gifts.

[Anna]

Yeah. It's like it seems very akin to gang activity here in America. Yeah. As you gotta watch havoc. And it's very interesting in the post me too era too. I'm not gonna spoil it, but you'll enjoy.

[Brett]

Well, I was thinking about like the point that you made that in one way the UK grooming gang controversy is similar to the Epstein stuff because not only were there like mass rapes occurring, but there was an obvious cover up. But the key factor in the Epstein stuff was obviously not all the sordid details about like the Lolita Express and the island, like sucking off Alan Dershowitz, like all the gross sort of details. It was the fact that it was like a major blackmail operation. So that was what justified the COVID up.

[Anna]

That's what.

[Brett]

Because a lot of very important and public figures were under threat of getting exposed.

[Anna]

Yeah. Child sex abuse is something like tragic that will always happen on some level that is like. Yeah. Just like a heinous thing that occurs amongst people.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But the sinister aspects of it are when it becomes organized and political.

[Brett]

Yeah. And it was sort of like the moral of Chinatown, the movie. Right. The. It's not that the corruption and conspiracy led to the incest. It's that the incest led to the corruption and conspiracy. Or they're like self reinforcing. It's like the chicken. Yeah.

[Anna]

I was. Yeah. The Franklin cover up was like in the late 80s in Nebraska there was some child sex ring that was like exposed and then quote debunked. And it was the same kind of. It used sort of the language around like moral panics and conspiracy to discredit.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And in the UK it feels like they're using the language of like systematic racism to then all the art. Like I read the Times article. Their framing is very much like, why is Elon Musk like. Elon Musk is basically doing like right wing dog whistling by invoking this like very real phenomenon. And so then that gradually gets like Pizzagate too. It's like.

[Brett]

Well like right wing now basically just means noticing and publicizing actual real world phenomena which then.

[Anna]

Yeah. People take, you know, frame as some kind of like conspiratorial scandal or something that is like over inflated or over emphasized or like not a real. You know, they did it with Epstein, they did it with the Franklin cover up. They're kind of doing it now with this.

[Brett]

Yeah. But with the thing. There was. There were a lot of assets and reputations on the line because these were very prominent people.

[Anna]

Yeah. It's obviously. They're obviously different. But the.

[Brett]

So it was literal blackmail. But in the uk, Grooming gangs case.

[Anna]

It's moral black.

[Brett]

It's like emotional moral blackmail.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

Which I don't know. This isn't the oppression Olympics, but it's like possibly worse when people are like, oh, Anna, you're too racist and you're not sensitive enough to me too. It's like, this is why.

[Anna]

Well, this. Yeah, these. I mean, we were so vindicated on. Me too.

[Brett]

I know. Like, whatever. I tweeted like the fact that this was such a headline for so many years that we were forced to take it seriously that the whole morality of it was so inverted. Like that headline that is seared in my mind, which nobody remembers, that was like, 700,000 farm workers stand with Hollywood actresses against me too.

[Anna]

Yeah. The Times article was like. Right. Framing Elon Musk as some kind of like dog whistling conspiracy theorists and then saying that. Yeah. Most of like giving the kind of basic stats, news reporting. Very. You know, and then most of the. The perps were of British Pakistani heritage.

[Brett]

Well, I was looking into one of those studies and they were like. Yeah, most of the perps are of like South Asian descent with a small minority of British Roma. Gypsies.

[Anna]

Gypsies, okay.

[Brett]

Who were like their own separate thing. Like they weren't involved with.

[Anna]

They had their own gang. I read there's a hundred gangs in Trinidad and there's a gang, a prominent one called the Sixers, and they're trying to kill a gang called Seven, which I thought was very like Sesame Street.

[Brett]

Yeah. It is like a children's counting game.

[Anna]

But what, like you can send them back. These are like generational. They are British, Pakistani.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

You know, like, this is England.

[Brett]

Yeah. It's funny to watch.

[Anna]

This is what black people. Yeah. I wasn't. I didn't really get Brexit.

[Brett]

Well, you know, it's like that. That now from Susan Sontag that I always say that I'm gonna butcher, but paraphrase where she's like, well, you know, the thing with ideology is that it often dovetails with self interest. People have a way of rationalizing their ideological commitments that personally Suits and benefits them, obviously.

[Anna]

But how is like a white Labor Party member like that woman, whatever that Elon Musk called a witch. Like how does she benefit from like a rape cover up?

[Brett]

Well, she's never held to account. She doesn't lose her job. She's never seriously punished. She doesn't care. It doesn't personally affect her. She gets to feel like a good person because she's anti racist. She's not racist. Yeah. Or anti racist. Excuse me? No, that's the correct terminology. It's not good enough these days to be merely not racist. You have to be anti racist.

[Anna]

It's true.

[Brett]

Well, yes, it is technically racist to point out that there are certain major incompatibilities between cultures.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

But everybody else in the world who's not an Anglo seems to be totally fine and comfortable with us.

[Anna]

Well, in Trinidad there aren't really. There's not like palpable animosity between Afro and Indo Caribbeans. They do actually live. They, they do have a version of like multiculturalism that is like pretty functional.

[Brett]

And they gave us Nicki Minaj.

[Anna]

Thank you. Yeah, they're. It's an amazing country.

[Brett]

And Foxy Brown, a lot of good female rappers.

[Anna]

They're cool, they're sexy, they're liming. You know, it's a really. Yeah, it's. There's. The gang violence isn't even racialized. It's like very distinct and kind of like in. It's not. I mean, it didn't feel. Obviously I wasn't like in the hood, but I wasn't. It didn't feel like more dangerous in New York.

[Brett]

But what I'm saying is like, also the Epstein scandal is similar to the grooming gang scandal in another way. Because the grooming gang scandal was not exactly like obscure and unheard of like you mentioned. Like it was. Was reported on in the media. And if you recall, so were Jeffrey Epstein's crimes for at least a decade. There were the lone rogue reporters who were saying, like, oh, this like financier of Bill Clinton and friend of Alan Dershowitz has these rumors circulating about him that he's like trafficking and molesting young girls.

[Anna]

Well, he got a sweetheart deal in Florida for trafficking a minor. So yeah, it was an open secret of sorts.

[Brett]

Yeah, yeah. And then it hit critical mass and became like a viral phenomenon. But like, in a way as like horrible and disgusting as it is. That cover up makes sense because it was an elite cover up that was designed to protect the necks of various elites or keep them in line. This really defies all credulity, to quote Armand White. Because these were civil servants, representatives of the people, acting against the interest of the people, which is like nothing new under the sun. And like when you hear like the right wingers say like well the English leadership and the American leadership, the elites have an open contempt for their own people, their own constituency. I sometimes I think it's so much worse than that because I don't even know if it's like exactly like act of contempt. It's just like self interest and indifference. Yeah, they don't care. They like literally don't give a. Which is like so demeaning and dishonorable. J.P. again, yeah, because you do have like a legacy and a civilization to.

[Anna]

Protect the death of the West. I heard the west died. I heard the west isn't okay.

[Brett]

Yeah. So that's my argument for why colonizing Greenland might possibly be a good idea.

[Anna]

It's definitely a good idea. It's just the like. Yeah, we don't want like the EU to, you know, you don't want those sanctions or whatever.

[Brett]

Yeah, blah blah. Well it's like.

[Anna]

But it makes sense.

[Brett]

It's like the whole premise of Battlestar Galactica where humankind is like cannibalized by its own advanced technology and it starts anew with a blank slate. That's the ending. I'm like spoiling it but like Hollywood, but in my like cynical black pilled way I'm like well you know, if you rebuild society according to like first principles or whatever, what's to say that it's not just going to be a repeat of the previous society because everything is like man made and you can't escape Samsara. Yeah.

[Anna]

The cycle of suffering goes on. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's what Hindus think. And if you're really good you can get reborn into a higher caste.

[Brett]

That's true. They really had this all figured out.

[Anna]

Maybe they're on to something. Maybe the Brahmin or. No, I think the Rastas are really onto something. That's my new a favorite out group.

[Brett]

But yeah, there is something like bizarre and monstrous about like people coming to the west to take advantage of like. Yeah. The infrastructure, the amenities, the fundamentally high trust view of society.

[Anna]

Well don't you think there's something a little karmic about you know, when England colonized these kind of pagan societies they took advantage of their natural resources.

[Brett]

Yeah, I get what you're saying because they built their civilization on like a literal Indian burial ground.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Brett]

They're getting a Pakistani Burial repaid for it.

[Anna]

I asked Chat GPT. I said, why are there Pakistanis in England?

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And then it was like, oh, because they were part of the Commonwealth. They were able to, you know, move freely to the UK.

[Brett]

And they brought common law and decent government to people that didn't necessarily want it because they had their own way of doing things.

[Anna]

Yeah. So now.

[Brett]

But they also did bring those things. Like, in my mind, that was a net positive rather than a net negative.

[Anna]

Definitely. But now I. I see it more as like a negative consequence of empire.

[Brett]

Yeah, it's like an occupational hazard of empire. It's like being a niche Internet micro celebrity and having like leftists pile on you.

[Anna]

Yeah. Someone said I was a Zionist technocrat shill. And I was like, I'm not that, like at all.

[Brett]

Wait, who said that?

[Anna]

Someone on the doom scroll YouTube comments.

[Brett]

I will give Josh Citarella some credit. That Doom scroll is a good podcast name. It's cute, pithy, catchy.

[Anna]

It's, you know, they've got a classy production over there. But I. He, yeah, he did. Was asking me about labor politics and stuff and I was. I just didn't really know, you know, a cultural comment.

[Brett]

Well, the sad thing is he thinks he knows, but he doesn't.

[Anna]

He knows, you know, him and Sam, Chris and stuff. Like, they definitely know some stuff.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I just. Not my niche.

[Brett]

Yeah. But we can wrap it up. How long have we been going?

[Anna]

We can. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[Brett]

Going back to the Peter Thiel argument again from a Straussian moment where he talks about. It's funny because I remember on this very podcast bringing up this essay many times and being like, well, Peter Thiel was wrong because obviously Islamic terrorism is not the greatest threat facing Western civilization anymore. It's been like debunked and disempowered and blah, blah, blah. And there are these like, rare random instances that still happen, but they don't have the sort of like mainstream mass logic that they once did. I sound like Josh Citralla now. But actually it might turn out that he was right. And, you know, he said this very obvious thing that, like, in fighting you, your enemy, you become your enemy and then you lose. What makes you better than your enemy? Because you have to meet them at their level.

[Anna]

Right.

[Brett]

So I don't know how the west or the Anglosphere can reclaim its pride of place.

[Anna]

I think it's for Europe in the.

[Brett]

World outside of like, colonizing Greenland, it's over for Europe.

[Anna]

And the American experiment is the West.

[Brett]

It's the next phase. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Anna]

And more will be revealed.

[Brett]

The best case scenario is much like Europe and England specifically was the example for America that they rebelled against, America now has to become the example for Europe and England.

[Anna]

Take notes.

[Brett]

I sound so dumb and uninformed.

[Anna]

I mean, what else? What else is new? Oops. Okay. Praise jaw.

[Brett]

Yeah. I hope we've covered this, like, apocalyptic moment in world history appropriately.

[Anna]

And we'll see you in. We'll see you in hell.