Jail Play

Summary

Red Scare – “Jail Play” (December 9, 2025)

Hosts: Anna Khachiyan & Dasha Nekrasova

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Overview

In this wide-ranging, candid episode, Anna and Dasha riff on the news that playwright Jeremy O. Harris has been arrested in Japan on drug charges, using his predicament to launch a punkish, darkly humorous meditation on cultural double standards, drug laws, the hubris of cosmopolitan creative elites, and the justice systems of various countries. The episode then flows into major digressions: the psychology of public figures under scrutiny, stories of immigration and welfare fraud (with a focus on the Somali community in Minnesota and Ilhan Omar), an extended critique of “quiet quitting” marriages via recent viral essays, and ever-present reflections on American decline and human alienation.

The pair’s signature irreverence and willfully transgressive humor are on full display as they pivot from sharp social and political observation to gleeful bad-taste jokes, all in a semi-drunken holiday haze.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

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1. Happy Holidays, “Christian Nationalism,” and the Holidays as a Cultural Rorschach

• Opening banter (00:24–01:14): Anna and Dasha play with the tension between “Merry Christmas” and “Happy Holidays,” both mocking and dissecting the culture war implications:
  • “Yeah, that's what we're saying now in our Christian nationalist nation. But Happy Holidays is fine. Honestly, I never really felt… that Happy Holidays was so pointed.” (Dasha, 00:31)
  • Both agree the “war on Christmas” rhetoric is overblown, and the phrase is more about “technicality… not like politically correct racism or cultural sensitivity.” (Anna, 00:54)

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2. The Jeremy O. Harris Japanese Jail Saga

• Main Segment (02:11–16:56): The headlines about Harris getting arrested in Japan for MDMA possession become a vehicle for lampooning “Dimes Square” theater elite, drug laws abroad, and ideas of karmic justice.
  • Details of Arrest: Harris was caught with 0.78 grams of MDMA—“a very small quantity… clearly meant for personal use, but maybe even residue.” (Anna, 02:25)
  • Strict Japanese Drug Laws: Japan’s criminal justice severity (“You can’t even bring Adderall into Japan… I watched a Locked Up Abroad about a guy who went to jail in Japan and it's not, it's not like the Nordic model.” – Dasha, 03:21)
  • Comparisons to Asian penal systems: Tangent into Chinese “death sentence with reprieve”—“Kind of interesting and kind of based.” (Anna, 04:54)
• Karmic Set-Up:
  • Anna and Dasha recall that Harris had publicly piled onto Dasha when her own agency woes went public: “He, quote, tweeted it and said, ‘woke is back.’ And as you can imagine, I was already having a pretty stressful day…” (Dasha, 05:34)
  • The irony that Harris ended up in jail the next day after virtue-signaling on social media is relished (“He like went directly to jail. And nobody noticed. He didn't say anything for three weeks. He pressed send, he got on a plane, and he went to jail.” – Anna, 06:14)
• Schadenfreude and Social Media Detox: “It's great for him to do like a little social media detox. Honestly, I'm jealous. Matt Gaetz probably is jealous too.” (Anna, 07:04)
• Reflection on Justice & Privilege: Despite the jokes, there’s a thread of seriousness about American creative class privilege abroad—“This is a guy… generally like, never had to confront the consequences of his actions…contrary to what he may think about himself… he is like a coddled and privileged affluent American who's been handed everything on a silver platter his whole life.” (Anna, 08:05)

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3. Japan’s Justice System and Attitudes about Crime

• “Japan has also has kind of a peculiar justice system…they don’t prosecute crimes unless they're positive that they can convict… so they have a 99% conviction rate.” (Dasha, 12:31)
• Harris is unlikely to get the full 5–7 years—“chances are he'll spend a few months behind bars in Japan and then be released back into the US and banned from entering the country.” (Anna, 09:14)
• Reflection on the cultural arrogance of assuming “the rules don’t apply to you,” and the notion of privileged Americans coming up against serious foreign rules for the first time.

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4. “Slave Play,” Theater Critique, and Cultural Clout

• The pair riff on Harris’s past theatrical work, criticizing his style as “over-explaining and didactic… he tells rather than shows.” (Dasha, 18:06)
• Extended theater talk: Dasha shares that other plays about racial and sexual dynamics have been much more sophisticated; Harris’ reputation, they argue, is buoyed more by controversy and connections than lasting substance (26:22–27:36).

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5. Immigration, Welfare Fraud, and Ilhan Omar

• A major pivot (36:44–75:59): Anna and Dasha dissect recent news about “Somali welfare fraud” in Minnesota, and Donald Trump’s inflammatory holiday messaging about Somalians.
• On Refugee Resettlement & Cultural Fit: “Even my mom …recently apparently claimed she would vote for Trump if he deported all the Somali immigrants.” (Anna, 54:28)
• On Ilhan Omar:
  • They lambast Omar’s New York Times op-ed for mixing “Muslim” and “Black” grievances, accusing her of “opportunistically” hitching her identity to various axes of American multicultural politics (76:01–76:49).
  • “She sounds like the loser in this situation. It sounds like he’s gainfully employed enough to pay her a stipend and like, like, continue his life without… a litigious divorce.” (Dasha, 142:26—this was about the divorce essayist, but similar tone re Omar)
  • “Why do these American boomers place such a premium on their personal happiness? It's so misguided. It's so godless." (Dasha, 130:37)

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6. The Futility of Homeless Encampment Sweeps in NYC

• The hosts discuss new policies from incoming leaders (Mamdani), criticizing both “progressive” and “tough love” stances on homelessness:
  • Sweeps are essentially cosmetic, not solutions: “They sweep these encampments periodically, and then leftists deny they exist, and then they're, like, back to square one.” (Anna, 90:04)
  • “You need a permanent institutional system of, like, detainment centers and mental health facilities that keep these people under lock and key…” (Anna, 92:20)
  • Reiterate the intractability of issues like chronic street homelessness: “There’s no wealthy civilized nation... that allows this to happen outside of America.” (Anna, 91:09)
  • Joking solution: “Let’s send them to Japan. 7.78 grams of Molly and let the Japs take care of it.” (Dasha, 91:29)

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7. Long Segment: “Quiet Quitting” Marriage, Divorce Culture—‘The Modern Love’ Industrial Complex

• Late in the episode, Anna and Dasha review two zeitgeist-y personal essays about women “quietly quitting” their marriages instead of divorcing outright (103:00–154:10).
• Summary and critique:
  • These writers, “medicated boomers” in their 50s and 60s, are both lauded and ridiculed for publicly detailing the “soft” end of their marriages for cash, health insurance, or simple inertia.
  • “It's always the male perspective that's missing; there's no parallel discourse of men talking about their version.” (Anna, 107:45)
  • “There's dignity in just sticking it out.” (Dasha, 123:49)
  • Skewering op-eds that reframe emptiness as empowerment: “It’s so godless. Every single person in that Cut article… doesn’t believe in anything. They're completely adrift.” (Dasha, 130:37)
  • “The closest that you will ever get to happiness is by discarding your own personal needs in service of your spouse and family.” (Anna, 130:16)
• Eyes Wide Shut as Metaphor: Extended high praise for Kubrick’s film, which they see as a parable for female capriciousness and male passivity—“It’s a movie about… that life is mundane and people are delusional.” (Anna, 111:26)
• On Boomer Narcissism: “It's so twisted to make it into a workplace… Why relationships and marriages, like, often just don't work out and you have. You feel compelled to leave them for various reasons.” (Anna, 139:04)
• Noting the depressing “flat” and “lobotomized” affect of modern acceptance journalism about divorce.

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8. Meta-Commentary on American Decline

• “Even in marriage you see the drop-off between generations.” (Dasha, 158:05)
• “Life is unhappy and pointless to some extent…At least if you're Christian, you understand it's not really about this life.” (Dasha, 153:45)
• “I don't think she's in it for the money. She's in it for the love of the game.” [on Ilhan Omar & politicians as performers] (Dasha, 77:08)

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9. Humor, Melancholy, & Running Jokes

• Glib self-deprecation—Anna repeatedly jokes about being “an inch away from being street homeless” and finding homeless fashion “relatable.”
• Multiple riffs on the ALP nicotine pouch ad copy (“It's full and pouty, much like Jeremy O. Harris's lips. You just want to kiss them and say, it's gonna be okay, baby.” – Anna, 31:31)
• Running gags about Japanese jail, fusion of pop and high culture references; joking “solutions” to social collapse.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On the irony of Jeremy O. Harris’ arrest:

  “He, quote, tweeted it and said, ‘woke is back.’... And the next day he went to jail.”
  — Dasha, 05:34

• On American privilege abroad:

  “This is a guy who is totally unprepared… he is like a coddled and privileged affluent American who's been handed everything on a silver platter his whole life. No one's ever said no to him.”
  — Anna, 08:05

• On karmic justice:

  “But I hope they keep him in there until he learns his lesson... I almost feel sorry… He’s generally never had to confront the consequences of his actions.”
  — B & A, 08:00–08:50

• On Somalis in America:

  “You can't really blame Somali people for coming to this country. They're from a shithole and… pursuing their immediate interests… you have to blame the people that, like, enable them.”
  — Anna, 53:32

• On “quiet quitting” marriage:

  “There's dignity in that.”
  — Dasha, 123:49
  “The closest you’ll ever get to happiness is by discarding your own personal needs and desires in service of your spouse and family.”
  — Anna, 130:16

• On confessional writers:

  “If you're a writer, why don’t you write about anything else? Do you care about anything besides your immediate experience which you think is so novel and interesting?”
  — Dasha, 127:56

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Structuring of Segments & Timestamps

| Topic | Start | End | |------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------|-----------| | Holiday greetings and semantics, culture war riffing | 00:24 | 01:14 | | Jeremy O. Harris's jail play, punishment, and privilege | 02:11 | 16:56 | | Japanese (and Asian) justice systems | 03:21 | 13:01 | | Critique of Harris as “theatrical didact,” meaning of “Slave Play” | 18:06 | 28:47 | | Somali American community, Ilhan Omar, Trump’s rhetoric | 36:44 | 75:59 | | NYC Homeless Policy (Mamdani, Adams, encampment sweeps) | 83:23 | 102:46 | | Extended discussion of “grey divorce” and culture of marital disengagement | 103:00 | 154:10 | | Riffs on American decline/family breakdown | 157:43 | 160:55 | | Episode closeout, next-episode teases | 160:55 | End |

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Tone & Style

The episode embodies Red Scare’s trademark mix of sardonic humor, half-drunk confessional, sharp cultural critique, and punk contrarianism. Anna and Dasha oscillate between deadpan seriousness and gleeful irreverence, subverting expectations at every turn. There’s an undercurrent of melancholy but also resilience and clear-eyed realism about the state of culture and personal relations.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Heard It

This episode is a quintessential Red Scare blend of topical gossip (the Harris arrest), philosophical musing, and sociopolitical heresy. Expect provocative hot takes on US hypocrisy abroad, the psychological fragility of cultural elites, institutional rot, and the emptiness of a post-religious, atomized America. The ultimate message: behind the headlines, we’re all just muddling through—and calling it art.

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Memorable closing call-out:

“Jeremy O. Harris, when you get out of prison, come on Red Scare… Tell us about the little room. We'll listen… We'll give you 40 acres and an alp pouch. Be all good. Reparations.”
— Anna & Dasha, 160:17–160:44

Transcript

[A]

Hey, we're back.

[B]

We're so back.

[A]

Happy Holidays. You're not supposed to say that.

[B]

Merry Christmas. Yeah, that's what we're saying now in our Christian nationalist nation. But Happy Holidays is fine. Honestly, I never really felt, I never really felt that Happy Holidays was so pointed.

[A]

I. Me neither.

[B]

Cuz New Year's Eve, that's, you know, it's the holidays. It is.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Many days.

[A]

And the thing is like everything is like bookended by Thanksgiving and New Year's. So it's like one giant month basically. And I assumed it was that like a technicality, not like.

[B]

Like politically correct.

[A]

Racism or cultural sensitivity.

[B]

Well, even holiday hole is etymology, is holy day. Yeah. So even if you're not saying Merry Christmas, you're still acknowledging that there's a sacredness.

[A]

Yeah, true.

[B]

But you're, you know, Hanukkah too. Hanukkah's early this year.

[A]

Oh yeah. Cuz it like is one of those things.

[B]

They're doing their own thing. It's like on Monday like get that menorah out.

[A]

The ludal phase.

It was only Christianity.

[B]

My Ludal phase was only supposed to be a week, but it lasted for a whole month.

Just like the miracle of Hanukkah, my geek bar has been lasting extra long.

Jeremy O. Harris is in jail.

[A]

Yep. Speaking of the holidays, someone's going to be spending them in a Japanese prison.

He was caught trying to smuggle drugs into the country and he's charged with having 0.78 grams of MDMA in his luggage.

Contrary to popular belief, I know next to nothing about drugs or their weights or their measurements. So that seems to me like a very small quantity. Clearly meant for personal use, but maybe even residue.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I think it's plausible he just had it in his possession and was didn't intend to bring it to Okinawa.

[A]

Yes. Real talk. I always am gripped with fear every time I clear security and board a plane because I just assume that I might have like some old baggie from like five or ten years ago on me and some like drug sniffing dog is going to catch it.

[B]

Well, you can't even bring Adderall into Japan. They really don't around with that stuff even if you have a prescription.

So it's. You're really playing with fire. And I watched a Locked Up Abroad about a guy who went to jail in Japan and it's not, it's not like the Nordic model.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

At all. It's.

[A]

That's what I, that I was wondering about that because Japan sounds better than it's better than Singapore, China or Korea, where the sentences are quite a bit heavier and they will even sentence you to death sometimes. I love when, like, things dovetail nicely. And I was just reading about something called death sentence with reprieve, which is a punishment that they dole out in China where they will sentence you to death, but commute or suspend the sentence for a period of two years, which is like a really sweet spot because it's long enough, but also short enough.

[B]

What do you mean suspend the sentence?

[A]

Like, they won't execute you within that two year period and they will see whether you reoffend or not. And if you do reoffend, like if you can't manage to stay out of trouble in that they let you out.

[B]

Of jail or you're in.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering about. But I can't let you out of jail. I'm curious if they detain you or not. But like, basically, if you reoffend in a period of two years, then they execute you.

Which is kind of interesting and kind of based.

[B]

And if you have a good. You're on good behavior.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ostensibly still in the prison system and that you get to just stay in prison.

[A]

I think so. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or like they. Yeah.

[B]

And two years is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I wouldn't even be talking about Jeremo Harris.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Would have taken the high road on this one, except he. It's really. It is. Honestly, karma's a he.

When the deadline article dropped about me getting dropped.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

From my agency, he, quote, tweeted it and said, woke is back. And as you can imagine, I was already having a pretty stressful day.

[A]

Not this guy.

[B]

I was like, come on, you. You know.

And I was laying low, so I couldn't, you know, I was just like, oh, yeah. And it was like. Right. As soon as he was. He did waste a moment. It was just a reflexive, like, pile on opportunity for him to say something shitty about me. And yeah. The next day he went to jail.

[A]

He. He like went directly to jail.

And nobody noticed.

[B]

Yeah. He didn't say anything for three weeks.

[A]

He pressed send, he got on a plane, and he went to jail.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

You know, at least they'll give him like a bento box for breakfast and he can read all the J Store articles he wants. I. I'm assuming that they take your phone away in Japanese prison.

[B]

It's.

[A]

So I'm hoping that he brought printouts.

[B]

They're big on solitary confinement there. And he definitely. It's. I mean, well, well, that's good.

[A]

He can be alone with his thoughts and do some self reflection. Yeah, I like the Grinch or Ebenezer Scrooge.

[B]

He. I think this will be good for him.

[A]

It's great for him to do like a little social media detox. Honestly, I'm jealous. Matt Ga is probably jealous too.

[B]

Wait, why?

[A]

Cuz Dime Square playwright. Oh yeah, in the drama of the decade.

[B]

Wait, what happened?

[A]

Jeremy Harris went to jail.

[B]

Oh, I thought you meant Matthew Gaston.

[A]

Oh, no, there's two Dime Square playwrights and he's ascended.

[B]

Yeah.

There'S been a void.

[A]

No, I was seriously like, man, I would really love to go to Japanese jail right about now because you know, I would lose some weight.

[B]

You just want to go to an onsen or something. The jail, Andrew Richardson's house. I mean you. Yeah, you just want to go on like a Zen retreat. Yeah, yeah, but the Japanese prison is. But it is, it's. I mean, like I said, I'll pray for him, cuz I pray for all my haters.

[A]

Uhhuh.

[B]

But I hope they keep him in there until he learns his lesson, I think.

[A]

I mean, listen, I have to say, like, I almost feel sorry for the grime because of, like I said to you gals, like, this is a guy who is totally unprepared and unequipped for the situation he's facing now because he's generally like, never had to confront the consequences of his actions and doesn't understand cause and effect because contrary to what he may think about himself or what other people may think about him, he. He is like a coddled and privileged affluent American who's been handed everything on a silver platter his whole life. No one's ever said no to him.

And this is frankly, like very scary.

[B]

For sure.

[A]

I said almost feel sorry. I do kind of feel sorry.

[B]

No, honestly, I'd be satisfied if they let him out. Yeah, I feel like he learned, you know, I feel like they probably put. Put fear in him, but I don't know if they will.

And if that's how long it takes for justice to be served, then that's how long it takes.

[A]

Yeah. And he's looking at a sentence of five to seven years, which he probably won't get. And chances are he'll spend a few months behind bars in Japan and then be released back into the United States and be banned from entering the country like Paul McCartney was. That seems to be the general protocol.

[B]

Well, why does he even want to go to Japan if he hates fascism so much?

[A]

I know I know.

[B]

Which he's about to get a real crash course in rude awakening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How it really be in a real fascistic nation.

[A]

Well, you said it best. He thinks that we're fascists and he's like kind of obsessed with sniffing out fascism in the United States because, you know, I think by his own admission he's like an avowed Marxist and anti racist.

But he's about to around and find out. He really did. Yeah.

You think that we have a fascist ethno state? Think again.

And yeah, I was even kind of hoping that Trump would come to his defense and bail him out because then he would be forced to kiss the ring of maga, but that's probably not going to happen because he's realistically like not high profile enough.

[B]

I mean, I think unless it's.

We don't really do that with Japan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We don't get prisoners out of their jail.

[A]

Well, I think the American government can intervene and they did intervene like in the case of like Brittney Griner. Right. When she was prisoner exchanged for. Yeah. What's his name?

[B]

What Japanese. What cannibal is locked up into an American prison from Japan that we need. What sex pervert. Like how many Japanese people are in jail in America?

[A]

They should send the subway takes guy to jail in Japan. A lot of people, A lot of people would benefit from hard labor and re education.

[B]

This is true.

[A]

Not me.

[B]

No. I've suffered enough.

[A]

But I do think this is like a win win situation for everyone involved because you know, the Japanese government gets to uphold their laws.

Jeremy Harris gets to languish in prison for a few weeks to a few years and then come back and like, I don't know, write a memoir about it. They made this guy get karmic retribution.

Awkwardly lock eyes with him in Dime Square anymore.

[B]

That's why I don't want to gloat too much because I know it's just. Everything's just a chain reaction.

[A]

Yeah. Butterfly effect.

[B]

But it is woke is back directly to jail.

Slapping the cuffs on the guy unlocked him abroad. They made him sit in a tiny room and stare at a wall for like 10, 12 hours a day. And if he moved, they would come in and hit him and the clock would like restart. Yeah, it was, it's, it is horrible. You really don't want to go to jail in Japan. But a lot. Japan has also has kind of a peculiar.

Justice system and that they don't prosecute crimes unless they're positive that they can convict basically. So they have a 99 conviction rate.

[A]

That's the Japanese of them.

[B]

But that's because. Yeah. If they don't think that they have, like, an airproof case, they won't pursue. Right.

[A]

But this seems pretty airtight. Right. Because he was caught traveling with a controlled substance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On his person.

[B]

Yeah. He wasn't smuggling.

[A]

Yeah. He's obviously not smuggler, trafficker. He had no intention to, like, sell them to Japanese people or anything like that.

[B]

Yeah. I think they do take that stuff.

[A]

Like, very seriously, as they should, so. Right. And it's like, when in Rome, when in Okinawa.

[B]

Like, my friends, my beautiful Japanese friends.

[A]

But it is so, like.

[B]

Arrogant of.

[A]

Him to assume that, like, the rules don't apply to him. I mean, like you said, like, conceivably, he may not have even known that.

[B]

I don't think. Yeah. He was dying to do.

[A]

A less.

[B]

Than a gram of molly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In Japan.

I don't think he was. You know, I think if he wanted to even get drugs in Japan, he maybe could.

[A]

Yeah. Duff.

[B]

You know, so it is possible it's.

[A]

All.

[B]

Kind of an accident, but, hey, life comes at you fast.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know.

But.

As Trump says, the difference between winners and losers is how each person responds to a new twist of fate.

[A]

Well, true, but he's gonna have a lot of time to reflect on that, sitting alone in his cell, in his tiny cell as a big guy.

[B]

He's too big for the Japanese thoughts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, they're scaled down.

[A]

I know. I had an uncle who traveled extensively through Japan in, like, the 70s and 80s. He was a small guy, maybe like 5, 6 and 160 pounds. And he said that he felt like a big guy over there.

[B]

Wow. Yeah. I listened to a podcast.

When we were driving back from Virginia about people in Japan who, like, disappear themselves.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And there's a whole industry if you want to, like, vanish from your life, there's, like, services. You can hire who will come and, like, move you out in the dead of night, and you can just. If you're in a ton of debt.

[A]

Or.

Don'T, like, your family on your family, usually.

[B]

Yeah. People who are, like, have no other option.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But you can just dip out.

[A]

Suicide Forest Griper.

[B]

I mean, it's like I said, I wouldn't. I would never wish someone ill or, like, you know, but a Japanese prison is kind of like a good amount of misfortune. It's for a hater.

[A]

It's the perfect amount because it's not as evil and oppressive as, like. Yeah. Like, China or one of The Gulf states.

[B]

If he was in jail in North Korea, I wouldn't even be joking about it. Yeah, well, there's a kid I'd say prayers up for, Jeremy.

[A]

Who. What's his name? Otto Warmbier. Who? Like, young kid who got caught, like, trying to steal a flag in North Korea.

[B]

Like a hotel.

[A]

Yeah. And they, like, returned his body to his parents in a comatose state with his organs liquefied, and then he, like, died the next day.

[B]

Yeah, they don't do that kind of thing in Japan. No, they don't do the bodies. Exhibit Chinese organ harvesting. None of that. He'll be fine. Yeah, and probably better. And then you can read a great jail. Hey, Jail play.

[A]

How about that?

[B]

Here's the night when you get out of jail and are listening to this, Jeremy. And I hope it's sooner rather than later. I really do. I hope he hears this. When you're.

[A]

You hear this praying for. You're in our thoughts and prayers.

[B]

Jail play. That's a free idea from me to you, buddy.

[A]

What was that, Misha Malign about coming to America and wanting to suck a big white cock?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know that one. I know about how you have to sign your. The poem of your life with a splash of blood or whatever.

[A]

Jeremy O. Harris might even have fun getting raped in Japanese prison because they're, like, so tiny. It's gonna take, like, four, four or five of them to overpower him. Could be erotic. Could be a lot like slave play, which I haven't seen or read. But as I understand, it's not actually about chattel slavery. It's about gay, interracial sex.

[B]

Straight as well.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But yeah, it's about interracial couples enacting a slave master dynamic. And then the second act.

Is them all doing group therapy and talking in very, like, overt terms about what the play is about, which is. My real issue with Jeremy Oharis is that he tells rather than shows very much. Right. He, like, kind of over explains and, like, hammers in, like, the dialog is didactic. Just. They're literally all talking in therapy about the race play.

There's no, like, kind of, like, sophisticated turn. It's all very, like, surface but titillating. You know, for an actor. It's really fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To get up there and do, you know, kind of sex and long monologue. It's Right. An actor's delight.

[A]

Acting is like therapy in some ways.

[B]

Acting classes definitely have a group therapy vibe.

[A]

I should write a play. It'd Be so fun, definitely, to like, saddle my fictional characters with my dialogue while having plausible deniability. Like, it would be so fun to write a play about, like, a podcast.

[B]

Like, Two Girls Recording Girls has in the room like this.

[A]

Or, like.

A fat, angry, bespectacled Jewish Marxist guy.

Who'S, like, a professional hater of certain podcasts.

[B]

Theater is a great way to advance an agenda.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it's hard to write a play.

[A]

Yeah. Structurally. Well, I think people write plays for the same reason they write poetry.

Because it's probably. It seems easier than traditional writing because you don't really have to.

[B]

Oh, I think it's way harder.

[A]

Well, yeah, I'm saying it seems. But it's not.

[B]

Poetry is easy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It just. You for your talent. It's what kind of comes down to if you're talented or not. And you can, like, hone a natural skill that you have, but ultimately, if you don't have, like, a poetic sensibility.

Whereas a play. Yeah. Is maybe easier, actually, because you can kind of figure out, like, a structure and then retrofit, like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You can kind of, like, save the cat.

[A]

It.

[B]

Or whatever the equivalent is for the stage.

But.

I mean, I. I love the theater and we'll miss. We'll miss you. We'll miss you. Jeremy will save a seat for you.

At the gallery at the big show at opening night.

Maybe I'll write a play about Jeremy going to jail.

[A]

Yeah. I'm really looking forward to his, like, Tanahisi Coats, A Free Palestine personal narrative. It'll be really interesting spending Christmas and New Year's in Japanese jail because people don't.

[B]

I feel like.

Japan. People don't have a chip on their shoulder about Japan being a fascistic ethno state.

[A]

Yeah. Because they're so kawaii.

[B]

Because they're so cute and pocs.

Hold on. I'm gonna. Maybe. I think I might have to switch this cord.

[A]

Oh, it's okay.

[B]

It's not. There's just, like, kind of a faint.

[A]

Well, there is a guy that you were arguing with on Twitter.

I'm gonna hold that thought. Or is it. We're still recording.

Who was talking about how.

Western leftists turn a blind eye to Mishima's fascism because he was gay and a minority, and you fired back being like, well, no, retard. He wasn't a minority in his home country of Japan, where everyone is also Japanese, but he is a minority in the eyes of, like, the Western audience.

[B]

Right. Yeah, he's a. Yeah, he's a. Stop Asian Asian hate.

[A]

So it's easier to forgive him his sins against progressivism.

[B]

Right. And he wasn't. He was also just too, like, eccentric, kind of.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To be a proper fascist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, he was creative and gay and hung out with, like, drag queens, unlike.

[A]

Most fascists who are gay. But failed creatives.

[B]

Exactly.

Yeah. He was a successful creative but a failed fascist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And usually it's the inverse.

[A]

True.

[B]

So true. Where one fails in one respect, they excel in the other.

[A]

It would be funny if, like, Jeremy Harris came back from Japan an avowed fascist who.

[B]

Anything.

[A]

He could be like, that changes. And also named Adolf Hitler.

[B]

What country was that, Jeremy?

[A]

O Hitler. I don't remember.

[B]

No, I mean, it's gonna be a. It'll change him, I think.

[A]

Do you think so?

[B]

Yeah, I think if you spend. Especially someone like Jeremy, if you really are forced to be alone with your.

[A]

Thoughts, I think a guy like that who probably lacks, again, like, the intellectual capacity to understand, like, meta concepts will probably just go insane. Like, he'll probably. I mean, I don't want him to. I really, like, don't wish him any ill or harm.

[B]

It's hard to say, because most people aren't in that situation ever.

[A]

I know. Well, I was thinking about, like, most.

[B]

People spend their whole lives avoiding, like, sitting with themselves.

[A]

Yeah, that's true. Like, running away from their, like, innermost thoughts. Unless they're, like, delusional and flattering.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

If somebody, like, assigned us to, like, a year of hard labor, weed. Come out. Weakened.

[B]

No.

[A]

Traumatized. Maybe. But would it really change your personality, knowing what you know already?

[B]

I think so.

[A]

I don't know any hard labor. Well, both of us also had, like, serious illnesses and were briefly, like.

Briefly gained, like, a new appreciation for life. But how quickly that fades. Truly.

[B]

I know. Yeah. Maybe it would just have kind of a fleeting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A trauma to process and channel into your creative practice.

[A]

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving person.

[B]

Well, there's. So there's not that much goodwill towards him also.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is.

Interesting because he is so, like, objectively successful. Yeah.

[A]

He's Tony nominated.

[B]

Yeah.

And he had. Yeah. Like, a big, splashy debut. And now he's kind of like a mainstay. But he's hasn't. He's had a lot of, like, contracts.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To develop projects that he hasn't really followed through on.

[A]

Well, is that, like, a personal failure or just kind of like.

[B]

I think he rested on his laurels after a slave play.

[A]

Yeah, true.

[B]

And then he staged a play that he wrote.

And that I also saw that was his, like, MFA thesis called Daddy. That's about a black guy who has, like, an older, gay, white sugar daddy.

[A]

Surprise, surprise.

[B]

And similarly. Yeah. It's like his mother appears at some point and, like, just says, like, there's very little action. It's a lot of, like, talking and, like, spelling it out. Yeah. The dynamics, which is sort of like.

[A]

What plays are, one would think. But I see what you mean.

[B]

They really shouldn't be. They, you know, at their best, they are like.

There's a great play about interracial dynamics.

By God, I'm spacing on his name. It's called Take Me Out. I think it did win a Tony. And it was about a gay black baseball player.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And all of that, it all kind of, like, unfolds, like, in the locker room and on the mounds. And it's like.

I saw it on Broadway. Was very well staged and told, like, us a story. Right.

Rather than just characters like spouting polemics, which is a little bit what Jeremy does.

[A]

Yeah. And that's what a lot of people do now.

Thanks to, like, a lot of great artists and writers who learned early on that, like, the best way to.

Kind of air their polemics is by putting them in the voices of their characters, which was, like, you know.

Effective and fitting strategy, but which people took too far.

[B]

Speaking of treacherous faggots, did you see Milo on Tucker?

[A]

I didn't. I saw that he did Tucker. I. I noticed that all the Big.

[B]

Same type of guy as Jeremy o'. Hara. Yeah. Kind of, like sinister homosexual, but with this very, like, flamboyant dandy.

Like, especially evil kind of Persona that they project. Meth addict. Big. It's. I tried to watch the Milo, and it was. He's so tweaked out. His eyes are, like, rolling the back of his head. He's talking to Tucker about Tokyo Tony and stuff and, like, just acting like a free.

[A]

He was like, so are you gay or.

[B]

Yeah. He's claiming he's not gay while acting.

[A]

Like he's like, the Grinch. He's literally the Grinch.

[B]

It's just such a sham.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To be such a disgraceful and get up there and talk about how you're not gay and nobody's gay and actually, like, shot you were. You are gay.

[A]

I know.

[B]

And if you're not gay, then I don't know what.

[A]

What.

[B]

What the world, like.

Then I gotta.

[A]

I gotta go back to Japanese prison, too.

[B]

Exactly. That's what I'm talking about.

[A]

Yeah. I Saw that and I was wondering about that because, like, Tucker had Fuentes on and then he brought Milo, who's a sworn enemy, on, and it felt like a kind of below the belt, not even passive aggressive, but possibly openly aggressive gesture. Though I'm sure Tucker would say, like, I'm a journalist and I'm free to interview anyone I want.

[B]

He's got content to make, you know.

[A]

He'S got L pouches to sell.

[B]

Hey.

[A]

Which he doesn't even have to sell because we'll sell them for free on this podcast.

[B]

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[A]

You know how it goes. The holidays are coming up. You have to get stocking stuffers for your friends and family. You're worried about making ends meet, which is made even worse by all these Somalis who are committing welfare fraud on a massive national scale.

[B]

You know how it goes. You're trying to bring 7.78 grams of MDMA to Okinawa.

[A]

You should consider bringing ALP pouches. Those are legal in Japan. Are they?

[B]

Probably.

[A]

Can you bring out pouches to Japan? Are they considered a controlled substance?

[B]

We'll issue a disclaimer. I bet they're probably not. I think the Japanese like a legal stimulant like nicotine. They certainly like to smoke cigarettes when.

[A]

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[B]

Yes. Which is more than the amount of Molly.

Even the lowest amount.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

I'm gonna pop one now.

[B]

Have you been?

[A]

I haven't tried them yet. Oh, you might. You might.

[B]

It might make you a little nauseous, but then that'll pass. And then you'll be putting two in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I'm gonna do a long drive was great.

[B]

I was alping all day.

[A]

Okay, what do I do with this? I Put it in my gum.

[B]

Yeah.

Ah.

[A]

I feel like Jeremy o' Harris in a Japanese prison. I'm cracking up. I actually don't feel anything yet.

[B]

No, no, it's smooth.

And the three milligram? No problem.

[A]

Burns.

[B]

It's the menthol I like. Refreshing, chill and chilled.

[A]

I took Mountain Wintergreen.

[B]

That one's a little intense.

[A]

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[A]

They should sponsor Jeremy.

We're starting a GoFundMe.

[B]

Hey, we'll for.

[A]

For Jeremy O. Harris's defense fund. We're going to get the ALP boys to pitch in. We're going to get congrats to him, by the way, for being like the.

[B]

First logging off for a while who.

[A]

Didn'T get arrested for a traditionally black crime. His crime is so white.

[B]

Trying to do a little bit of molly.

How many black people are in jail in Japan?

[A]

Oh, the owl pouch starting to hit.

[B]

It's okay. I'm using chat GPT, so.

[A]

Oh, it's loading.

[B]

Yeah, it's thinking.

You gotta use that to get the.

You know, the good. The good stuff.

[A]

Still loading, huh?

[B]

Well, maybe wager a guess how many.

[A]

How many black people are in jail in Japan? Well, one for sure.

[B]

We.

[A]

At least one. We know that at least one.

[B]

Or he's not maybe in jail yet.

[A]

He's.

[B]

He's gonna stand trial.

[A]

He's disappeared. Like Mahmoud Khalil or whatever his name was.

[B]

Okay, Japan doesn't publish incarceration statistics by race. Total incarcerated population as of the end of last year is 40,000 people. Foreign prisoners are 6.9%.

So that's about 3,000 foreign prisoners.

So let's see how many percent in America they commit.

80% of crimes.

So in Japan.

Oh, it's really. Just tell me. I wish they could just say. Just come on.

[A]

There's no way of finding out because I'm assuming that most of the foreign prisoners In Japan are like, whites or other Asians.

[B]

Yeah. Koreans.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Get mistreated.

[A]

It's the one country where black people really buck the statistical trends. Good for them.

[B]

Guess how many smally doctors are in America.

[A]

Ooh, good segue. How many?

[B]

We also kind of don't know.

Doctors who.

Went to medical school in Somalia so came here. Okay. As trained doctors.

The most recent stats are like 10 years old, but 14.

[A]

14 Somali doctors. It's got to be more than that.

[B]

Well, now maybe, but not significantly.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

I thought to look this up after reading the Alon Omar op ed, because she said about how. So how many. Really? How many doctors? And probably not doctors.

I mean, even if that number increased a hundred percent in the past decade, that's still. That's 28 doctors.

[A]

So true.

[B]

But there's not that many Somalians here.

In general.

[A]

How many are. There's 80, 000 in Minnesota. Yeah, Minnesota. And that's the major FGM industry. They should leverage that until, like, cosmetic surgeries for white women. It might work out for them because, you know, have those refined and elegant Western features the.

White people be coveting and paying.

The big bucks for.

[B]

Like, the lift.

[A]

Yeah, I do. I do get a lot of Somali hijabi content on Twitter and Instagram. It's like an ensemble of really pretty girls wearing hijabs of different colors, and they all look really good and pretty.

Swaddled in there.

So. Wait. Okay. I'm a little behind on.

The Somali fraud story because I was in Argentinian prison last week and haven't really been keeping up with the news, but.

There'S this big story now that there's something like, to the tune of more than 1 billion in taxpayer funds was siphoned away through, like, a network of government agencies and NGOs during the pandemic. And most of this was presumably going to feed children.

[B]

Yeah. There's something with the autism, too.

[A]

Yeah. But they were, like, providing hot meals for underprivileged people supposedly. But actually this was going to feed people's lavish lifestyles.

[B]

And then Trump.

Has been lashing out.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Against the Somalis in particular.

I'm just gonna read. Yeah.

[A]

Oh.

Okay. I've had this pouch in my mouth for, like, five minutes now, and I feel nothing.

[B]

Okay. Maybe you need a more milligrams. I've been putting two in, but that will. You'll.

[A]

This is the lowest.

[B]

It'll hinder your ability to.

[A]

My ability speak.

[B]

So a very happy. This is a Trump post.

[A]

This.

[B]

A very happy Thanksgiving salutation to all of our great American citizens and patriots who have been so nice in allowing our country to be divided, disrupted, carved up, murdered, beaten, mugged and laughed at along with certain other foolish countries throughout the world for being politically correct and just plain stupid. When it comes to immigration, the official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people parentheses census.

Most of which are on welfare from failed nations, are from prisons, mental institution gangs or drug cartels. They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens who because of their beautiful hearts do not want to openly complain or cause trouble in any way, shape or form. They put up with what has happened to our country, but it's eating them alive to do so. A migrant earning $30,000 the green card will get roughly 50,000 in yearly benefits for their family. The real migrant population is much higher. This refugee burden is leading cause of social dysfunction in America, something that did not exist after World War II. Failed schools, high crime, urban decay, overcrowded hospitals, housing shortages, large deficits, etc. As an example, hundreds of thousands of refugees from Somalia are completely taking over the once great state state of Minnesota. Somalian gangs are roving the streets looking for prey as our wonderful people stay locked in their apartments and houses hoping against hope that they will be left alone. The seriously governor of Minnesota, Tim Walls does nothing either through fear, incompetence or both. While the worst congressman slash woman in our country, Ilan Omar, always wrapped in her swaddling job.

And who probably came into the USA illegally and that you are not allowed to marry your brother, does nothing but heavily complain about our country, its constitution, how badly she is treat her place of origin is a decadent backwards and crime ridden nation which is essentially not even a country for lack of government, military, police, schools, etc.

[A]

Oh blah blah.

[B]

Only reverse migration can fully cure this. Other than that, Happy Thanksgiving to all except those that hate, steal, murder and destroy everything that America stands for.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

And then he at a like a press conference he was falling asleep at he like Ro like rose from his slumber and said I don't want him in this country. He said it's barely even a country. They just. It's just people walking around killing each other.

And that all is kind of true.

[A]

Like it is true.

[B]

I didn't really. I read the Wikipedia for Somalia in my research.

And it is really. It's one of the worst countries I know it's crazy how bad and I.

[A]

Feel like Ilhana Omar's father had a direct hand in making it an even worse country and received amnesty in the United States. So she can come here.

[B]

What did her dad do?

[A]

He was some kind of general, AKA warlord.

[B]

Well.

Yeah, they're. They have. They've been in a civil war.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Since 91.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I learned about Somaliland. You know about this?

[A]

No.

[B]

Okay. There's a unrecognized nation in the Horn of Africa. It's the largest unrecognized nation, landmass wise. But there's like 6 million or so people there. But.

Yeah, not like, not in the U. N. Not a recognized country, but when the war broke out, they basically seceded from Somalia and created their own country which is more stable in the quality. I mean, it's not like a rich country, but the quality of life is higher than.

[A]

Why is that? Did you get anywhere in your research in terms of explaining that?

[B]

I think they just.

Well, it was. So Somaliland was in the colonial era. Somalia was ruled by the British and the Italians. Okay. And the Brits ruled what is now Somaliland, Northern Somalia.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And southern Somalia was ruled by Italian Italy.

[A]

So that explains why it's more distinct.

[B]

But then in the 60s, when Somalia was decolonized.

What was.

The British.

Colony briefly became independent and then rejoined with Somalia and still is. Technically it's all Somalia.

[A]

It's officially internationally recognized as part of Somalia, but they claim to be an autonomous republic. Is that the idea?

[B]

And they are. They function as one, but they're not internationally recognized as a state, but they have their own government, their own parliament, their own military, their own like, economy.

[A]

So is this like a Basque country type situation where the people there are like more educated and wealthier on average and the rest of the country needs them to like bump up the GDP or whatnot.

[B]

And I mean, I don't think they really care about their GDP so much, but.

[A]

But they need them for like basic economic functioning is what it sounds like. I don't know.

[B]

But I don't know how segregated they are. I assume they do a lot of business with. They are, you know, technically also it is all Somalia.

[A]

Yeah.

But I'm assuming that Somalia also is just.

A network of various mostly antagonistic tribes. Right. It's like a tribal society or like a clan based society.

[B]

It's got. It has, it's. Because it's complicated.

[A]

I don't even know. I can't even speak on this.

[B]

But there's a civil war. Yeah, yeah, Caught that fell. That broke out when the government was toppled, which for the US probably didn't have a hand in. Just guessing here.

Just using context Clues.

[A]

Media literacy.

[B]

Exactly. But they also have, like, an Al Qaeda, like, terrorist organization. It's really, really bad.

[A]

But this. This speaks to my point about how, like, when you.

Go to jail in a foreign nation or have a near death experience due to serious illness, like, you learn nothing from it. Ultimately.

Welbeck talks about this and, like, Ilhan Omar came here as, like a young immigrant and.

Gleaned no lessons from her experience and became extremely antagonistic to, like, the values and norms of America. Immediately began counter signaling Americans and talk using these horrible buzzwords like ramifications and accountability. Performatively wearing her hijab.

[B]

Yeah, I said this before.

[A]

I would. I would respect her more if she, like, married her brother for love, not for a green card.

[B]

Did she marry her brother?

[A]

Possibly. I think. I mean, this is.

Okay, well, then she married a white guy, right, who's like, a lobbyist.

Which is funny because she insists brother the.

[B]

Way, like, you know, Auntie.

[A]

Yeah. No, it's her brother and he's gay.

But no, it's crazy because, like, there's no need for her to wear the hijab. There are certain things that you couldn't say, like, five years ago, like, Virginia Guthrie is clearly bpd, Rest in peace. And Ilhan Omar's hijab is clearly performative. She's Muslim, Anna. Yeah, it's not like a sign of authentic religious devotion or faith. Like, come on now. She. She should just, like, keep donning a bigger and bigger hijab as a bit. It gradually takes over her way. Yeah, honestly, she's bald underneath, like, Hasidic women.

[B]

Like a witch. Witches are bald. Anna.

[A]

She does look like. Okay, Ilhana Omar is really beautiful, but she does look like.

She'S too pretty.

[B]

To be in politics.

[A]

An evil Disney queen.

[B]

Mm. Yeah. Very, like, pointed.

Yeah.

[A]

But okay. So she basically, to recap, there was this organization called Feeding Our Future that was, like, based in Minnesota, and they siphoned all these taxpayer dollars away, and this has led to 61 convictions. Before it was finally halted, Feeding Our Future had falsely claimed to have served 91 million meals, for which the group received nearly 250 million in federal funds, according to federal prosecutors. That money did not go to feed kids, federal officials say. Instead, it was used to fund lavish lifestyles. Conservative politicians and bloggers have alleged that the state's liberal establishment was cowed into inaction by intimidation from Feeding Our Future, which contracted within the state's largest, the Mali community because the food charity sought to paint early scrutiny of the nonprofit as racism. I mean, this is similar to what happened with blm, where Patrisse, Cullors and all the other top officials basically skimmed off the top and ended up, like, boosting their real estate portfolios. In recent days, President Trump has weighed in, calling Minnesota a hub of fraudulent money laundering activity and saying Somali perpetrators should be sent back to to where they came from. This prompted Ilhan Omar to write an op ed in the New York Times, which means she's scared.

Trump knows he's failing. Cue the bigotry. It's like the most obvious title for an article ever. Yeah, and she talks about how Trump fails to realize how deeply Somali Americans love this country. We are doctors, teachers, police officers, and elected leaders working to make our country better. Over 90% of the Somalis living in my home state, Minnesota, are American citizens by birth or naturalization. Some even supported Mr. Trump at the ballot box. And then she goes on to like, the woe is me victim card thing, where she says, I'm deeply worried about the ramifications of these tirades. When Mr. Trump maligns me, it increases the number of death threats that my family, staff members and I receive. As a member of Congress, I am privileged to have access to security when these threats arise. What keeps me up at night is that people who share the identities I hold. Black, Somali, hijabi immigrant, will suffer consequence, the consequences of his words, which so often go unchecked by members of the Republican Party and other elected officials.

Then she launches into another paragraph where she talks about when he first ran for president a decade ago, he launched his campaign with claims that he was going to pause Muslim immigration to the. This country has since falsely accused Haitian migrants of eating pets and referred to Haiti and African nations as hole countries. He has accused Mexico of sending rapists and drug peddlers across our border. It is unconscionable that he fails to acknowledge how this country was built on the backs of immigrants and to mock their ongoing contributions. How is any of this false?

No offense. The owl pouch is really hitting now.

It's mostly facts and the rest is like a matter of opinion that can't be submitted to normal. Like truth vetting claims.

[B]

Yeah. I read an article in Routers that was like.

Yeah, about the. The rhetoric is what people take issue with.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He says garbage called her garbage.

And that this is like, dehumanizing. But I feel like that's all landing very flat.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it is. It is kind of like dehumanizing, depersonalizing to personally refer to somebody as garbage. But that's like a personal attack.

So as much as it sucks, it is allowed.

[B]

And, like, is anyone not getting death threats also?

[A]

I know, I know, I know, I know. When people.

[B]

If I wrote, I wrote an op ed every time I got some death.

[A]

Threat, my death threat by Anna.

Translated an Espanol in 2020.

[B]

What is, like, a credit? Like, what is a credible death threat?

[A]

Yeah.

Like, people on Twitter and on Reddit are, like.

Saying she should die. Okay, whatever.

Did the Somali people perpetrating major welfare fraud ever think that this could be possibly dehumanizing.

To American citizens.

And, like, their way of life and their bottom line? I mean, also, the thing is, like, you can't really blame Somali people for coming to this country.

[B]

They're from a shithole and doing their.

[A]

Dirt and I guess, you know, pursuing and securing their immediate interests and not having any sight of the bigger picture and their participation in the, like, the experiment or the idea that as the American nation, you have to blame the people that, like, enable them to.

[B]

They were settled. Like, the Somalis who are here are here as refugees.

[A]

I mean, not all of them at this point, because a lot of them are born here now.

[B]

Well, yeah, but the ones that are naturalized came here through a refugee program. At this point, country government facilitated.

[A]

What could possibly go wrong?

[B]

And.

Yeah, like, if you lived. If I lived in Somalia, I want to get out of. Get out.

[A]

Even my mom, who, you know, is a very smart and perceptive woman and generally, like, has good judgments, but unfortunately has a serious case of tds, recently apparently claimed that she would vote for Trump if he deported all the Somali immigrants.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which is funny, because she's had enough. Yeah. What's going on with the attack?

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

No, no, it's fine, it's fine. I have to cut all of this anyway because it makes my mom look bad.

[B]

Why did she think there weren't black people in Minneapolis before?

[A]

Because it. I don't know. That's a good question. I think she thought it was, like, too cold for black people to settle there.

[B]

She had kind of a quaint idea of the Midwest, I guess. Yeah. I was in a town called Reading, Pennsylvania, that.

We stayed at, like, a very beautiful bed and breakfast. Oh, yeah?

[A]

Yeah. Gorgeous, regal.

[B]

Is like a 19th century, like, mansion that was, like, repurposed. Beautiful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Very well maintained. But the town itself, mostly Puerto Ricans.

[A]

I mean, even where Elena is from in Wisconsin. I mean, her dad's Puerto Rican, and there's, like, a lot of Puerto Ricans there. It's.

[B]

It looks like LA.

And it's not as like, it's not as straightforward as like replacement. I mean, because first the town.

You know, which was formerly like Dutch English kind of like industrial town of some repute, it was like, it's like a long decline.

[A]

Yeah. I mean like the United States and particularly like the Midwest is full of these.

You know, historic.

Wealthy big cities with like gorgeous architecture that have been completely gutted. Like you go anywhere in upstate New York, like Syracuse, Watertown, like you go to obviously like Chicago, Detroit, it's all white flight. And people obviously talk about white flight as if it's the fault of white people fleeing and they're fleeing like you know, crime and poverty and dysfunction. But of course, again, like, I guess my most leftist or like libbed hard take is that you can't like exactly blame the people who are coming in.

[B]

Sure.

No, it's a systemic problem.

And even, you know, that's not like.

Reading, Pennsylvania became depressed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then it happened like in tandem.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean part of this is just due to the death of industry and the rise of offshoring.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like all these. Yeah. Like large systemic economic forces that are like too big for people to understand.

[B]

And I suspect Minnesota is like similar that the reason.

I guess Somalians settled there. Somalis.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Somalilanders.

Hard to say. Yeah.

[A]

Well, I just assume that they were assigned.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To those areas.

[B]

Yeah. But that's because they had the infrastructure and the room.

[A]

Yeah. There is some cruel irony or twist of fate and putting these like warm weather people in a cold weather climate.

And making them make the best of it by committing massive large scale welfare fraud. But whatever. I digress.

[B]

I mean, didn't the Armenians.

Do a bunch of COVID fraud? Weren't they the most.

[A]

They do. Well, okay. I a n Y a n distinction. The yans are commit massive Medicare fraud.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think they committed like the biggest Medicare fraud in the history of the nation. Frog Terjanion.

[B]

How do I get it on?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't even know how to begin. I don't have a network in place.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean but then you get into the Belarusian diaspora. Yeah.

[B]

Is letting me down.

[A]

But it is. I mean this is like a different issue because. Yeah. Like these people were basically bust in like tons of them at a very high rate and they just like don't have the. The time.

To assimilate.

[B]

They don't have to.

[A]

Yeah. And they don't have to. They very quickly learned and adjusted their.

[B]

Behaviors because they're like tribal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Enclaves are accounted for.

[A]

And this, like, threatens the whole basis of the democratic model, which depends, I guess, on, like, a shared.

Vision of, like, civic responsibility.

[B]

Well, yeah, the cut. The punchline of the Ilana Omar op.

[A]

Ed.

[B]

Is her, like, talking about she's grateful to Minnesota and we will not let Mr. Trump intimidate or debilitate us. We are not afraid. After all, Minnesotans not only welcome refugees, they also sell into Congress.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like, because, yeah.

[B]

You change the demographics.

Of a town, so then you end up electing those people.

[A]

Yeah. So inevitably you.

[B]

Minnesota didn't elect you to call saying, like, Jeremy O. Harris, change what, A Minnesota playwright.

[A]

Because there's only, like, four playwrights and most people have only heard of, like, two of them.

It's literally just numbers.

[B]

It is. It's so audacious to speak for Minnesotans when you've changed what a Minnesotan is. If a Minnesotan is a Somali person, then of course.

[A]

Yeah.

On the one hand, when you import an entire community to a foreign country. Right. Of course they're going to have certain people who are more industrious and ambitious and, like, want to act as representatives for that community. Sure. But, like, my personal feeling about it, which, you know, is maybe like, racist and controversial, but I just feel like new immigrants to the nation should not really be elected officials.

Not in, like, unless they're subject to, like, a very strict and serious vetting process and pledge their commitment to and loyalty to America over their country and community.

[B]

I mean, I wouldn't even. They could, like, in a local capacity. I'm not even averse to, like, ethnic enclaves, like a Chinatown, like a little Mogadishu. Whatever they want, you know, and sure, yeah, like, you can be a. You can be on a community board or, you know, like a local representative.

[A]

Yeah. But we shouldn't be sending Somalis to Congress.

No. Are there any Russians in Congress? No.

[B]

Maybe.

Well, maybe Russian Jews.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. It's always. Yeah. It's always people who owe their loyalty to no one but their tribe.

[B]

There's probably not. I can't imagine. Yeah.

[A]

There is a big distinction between, like, you know, recent immigrants of a generation ago versus recent immigrants of today.

Even in the sense that, like, prior generations of immigrants were sort of, like, humble and hard working, kept their heads down.

And these new immigrants, like, want to, like, raise awareness and make a lot of noise about their, like, personal causes, which, again, you can't blame them. They're only doing what's right for their whatever. But, like, it is. It does feel like arrogant and entitled.

[B]

Well, what do you make of, I guess.

America bearing responsibility due to the role that they've played in destabilizing certain regions.

Then how can we really say that we don't want.

Any refugees?

[A]

I mean, I think that like, not.

[B]

That like Somalia was.

I don't know when the heyday of Somalia was probably under colonization, we did rewound that. We ran that back.

[A]

I mean, I'm like a colonialization truther in that I think that while colonialization was probably.

Pretty violent and brutal, that it was on the whole more beneficial than what we call decolonialization.

[B]

Well, that's.

I think, a little erroneous. Say more because decolonization is also a kind of a violent process.

[A]

And maybe.

[B]

Yeah, that could only come about once colonization already, you know, it's not like these places were decolonized before. Decolonization is like a new thing, but the.

Damage has already sort of been done.

[A]

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that this is an unfalsifiable problem because you can make the case that like Marty Parrots made about like the Palestinian people that, you know, they would have been living in like mud huts were it not for white Western European powers. But you can't like, prove that.

[B]

Right. They might have flourished.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

On their own. Yeah. But.

[A]

Well, this is.

[B]

There's so many houses, you know. Well, okay, like, it's not Nigeria.

[A]

Recently I was going down the rabbit hole of like African architecture. Well meaning liberals were arguing that the history of like African architects in the United States and in Africa and elsewhere in the world has been suppressed due to like, you know, racist imperatives. But. And that there are all these like lost cities and lost tribes that reached a high level of like, civilizational development. But the fact of the matter is that there's probably like no such thing as African architecture as such. Because architecture.

In terms of like a grand and functional built environment is probably like a western construct.

[B]

Well, they had the long house.

[A]

Yeah, they did.

[B]

Famously. Yeah, we know about that.

I've been watching, kind of half watching because I fall asleep. But the Ken Burns American Revolution series.

Which is very good by the way. People like love to. On Ken Burns because he's like a lived hard.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. Because he's a boomer from Massachusetts.

[A]

Duh.

[B]

Or wherever, New England. But it's not that. It's, you know, he's pretty. There's like some asides about slavery, but there should be like. Yeah, he's relatively like agenda less.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In my estimation.

[A]

Well, it seems like because he was around before, like, the current era of, like, woke political correctness. He probably, again, was a pretty thorough and disciplined researcher who did his homework, for sure.

[B]

No, he's not running an agenda. He's, like, trying to make.

[A]

And, like, any agenda that he may have is probably, like, unconscious or subconscious. And if you're, like, reasonably media literate, you can detect it and, like, disregard it.

[B]

You can adjust for.

[A]

Yeah. And draw your own accordion.

[B]

But he's a pretty, like, reliable historian, I feel, and is able to. And he's got a star, all the voices. He's got Paul Giamatti. Amazing.

Oh, but I, for. I forget. Oh, there were some longhouse depicted in the indigenous community.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Like a native longhouse.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Which was like. Yeah, like a mud or thatch hut that was, like a long structure with, like, doorways and windows, but no, like, panes or doors.

[B]

Just one big communal living space. Yeah. Well, do you remember that was a couple years ago. But there was, like, a piece in the Guardian that we talked about on this podcast about how architecture was inherently patriarchal. Yeah. Or like, build the concept of a building. And I think that. Yeah. It's like a Western.

Faustian impulse.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if architecture was female or indigenous.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In its character, it would just be, like a ditch.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It wouldn't have. We wouldn't have had a skyscraper.

[A]

Yeah. It would just. Yeah, true.

[B]

Because they didn't. I mean, America was a colony. Okay, Ken. That's one thing I learned.

It was many colonies, and we didn't descend into tribal warfare. We did a little bit.

[A]

Yes. You're making a very racist argument now.

[B]

How? Well, no, no.

[A]

Colony made by, like, intelligent white European men who were, like, inspired, imbued with the Faustian spirit or whatever you want. Whatever.

[B]

Making a liberal point about how there are, you know.

[A]

I mean, in some ways, it's like it. There's something beautiful and symbolic about the fact that, like, Somalis are under fire because they're really incidental to the story. It's just like a story about how they're a scapegoat. Yeah. For Gerard talks about.

[B]

Gerard talks about this.

[A]

Yeah. But they're.

[B]

Yeah, sure, they're like me, They're.

[A]

But obviously, like, it just points to the. The ills.

The externalities of having, like, a multicultural society.

Without, like, a shared framework where things, like, descend into tribalism and patronage, obviously.

[B]

And in America, we have some capacity for that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But not. It's just gone too far.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the Somalians, again, I'll say, aren't like they have problems, clearly, in the Somalia. So, okay, is Somali racist or which.

Are they Somalians or are they Somalis? And if it's racist to say Somalis, I take it back.

[A]

I think it's Somali now, but it was Somalian when we were growing up. Right. I don't know. I don't know.

[B]

But yeah, they're not, you know, the. In like. Yeah, Minnesota, there's a large population of them, but overall they don't make up a big demographic of like, immigrants. And honestly, I don't consider them black.

[A]

Yeah, same.

[B]

I don't think when Ilan Omers talks about Muslims and blacksmoke, why is she. I'm like, oh, yeah, I guess. Why is she black?

[A]

Throwing her law in with these people that she's fundamentally apart from.

[B]

I really don't.

[A]

Out of convenience and opportunism. That's what she's doing. It's like. It's like her wearing her hijab. I want like, she's not black. Like a AI evolution of all of Ilhan Omar's headdresses. Look, also the fact of the matter is that, like, in Muslim countries, wearing a hijab is like a.

Signal of faith and devotion.

[B]

Well, you're kind of forced to.

[A]

Yeah. And also, they don't treat women like. Wow. Compulsory gesture.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In Western societies, it always felt to me like a intimidation tactic.

Right.

[B]

I mean. Yeah. There's something really, really wrong with Ilhan Omar, I think.

[A]

Well, she's very smart and clever and a girl boss in the Western mold. She's not actually like a backwards indigenous Somali woman.

[B]

No.

But I think.

As you said.

In this country.

There is a racial dynamic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Due to slavery. And typically a black person in America is descendant from slaves. They're not like a.

[A]

Like an African American, an atheist or whatever. Yeah.

[B]

They're not like a.

Highly educated African immigrant, though. They are technically unsure. Like, colorism. Like, all of that is fake. Yeah.

[A]

Well, no, we need to 2020 that there's going to be a race war inevitably between like highly educated imported Africans and not so educated.

Rural or inner city African Americans because their interests are also at odds.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're not the same. This is like when the Asian girl bosses tried to throw their lot in with.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Black anti racism.

[B]

Exactly.

Yeah. In the. Is it routers? Routers.

[A]

Reuters. Reuters.

[B]

I'm so. Yes.

I gotta go back.

Yeah. Sometimes when I'm doing research, I'll kind of like, re. You know, I know it's gonna be kind of full of weird Lies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I just want to see kind of like what the. Take the temperature. Historians say there's a risk to people of color when authorities use racist rhetoric.

In October, leaked political group chats exposed racist, anismatic and violent rhetoric among young Republican leaders. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So now that's getting like, footnoted as some Aside fueling concerns that hate speech has become normalized in American politics. And this is a quote from Omar. The president has always had very bigoted, xenophobic, Islamophobic comments when it comes to people who are of Muslim faith or people who are black.

[A]

That's not even true.

[B]

We've seen him call African nations as. And it. So it's not really surprising. This is the second part of the quote. But.

People of Muslim faith or who are black. Yeah. Is not. That's.

[A]

That's who. That's such a sweeping category.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And one people. One of those groups has been like, legitimate historical grievances in the context of this country.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And Muslim people.

[A]

Are accomplices in those historical grievances because they were the ones selling them.

[B]

I thought that was the Jews.

But that's it. It's the Islam. It's. I.

I don't believe in Islamophobia categorically as something problematic that needs to be guarded against.

[A]

Sure. Yeah. True.

[B]

Like, Muslim people don't have collective grievances the way that black, African American people do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

They have like, after 9, 11.

Maybe some people were mean to them on the subway.

[A]

Like, what is.

[B]

What are we talking about people?

[A]

Like when we talk about Sikh guy in a turban for a Muslim guy and happened to murder him at a gas station or whatever. But.

Yeah, I know. It's just like, that's like, what are.

[B]

We talking about when we talk about.

[A]

The people Muslim strategy of like, mixing metaphors to get any critics off your trail, which is what. What she's doing. And it's like, smart and strategic, I guess. Even though, like, everyone can totally see through it at this point.

[B]

It's such a scam and the jig is up. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I don't think that Ilhan Omar should even be an elected official.

[B]

I don't even think she should be in this country.

If she really did marry her brother.

[A]

She should just be like a fashion or makeup influencer. I know she would probably make more money doing that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because she's so pretty.

[B]

Maybe she doesn't need the money.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No. She's in it for the love of the game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I Don't think she's in it for the money.

She'S in. I don't know what she's in it for. She's very opaque to me psychologically, kind of. I don't. I don't really know anyone like that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or what, really. That is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Tucker's new refrain. He's going, what is that? Like, all of his. He has a guest on, and he's got some. He's got Milo. He's like, what is that?

[A]

What is gay? What is that? It's true.

[B]

And I'm like, well, Elon Omar. What is that?

[A]

Yeah.

I know. What are. What are you.

[B]

What do they call their. What happened there was her aoc and.

[A]

The other one, Ayanna Presley and Rashida Talib, and it was called the Squad.

[B]

The Whack Pack.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I watched Girls Night the other night.

[A]

What's that movie?

[B]

It's.

It's like a black girl comedy with Tiffany Haddish and Queen Latifah about four friends called the Flossy Posse. They're like childhood friends.

[A]

Wait, didn't they already make this movie?

[B]

But it wasn't.

[A]

It was. What year is it from?

[B]

It's from, like, to early to, like, 2000.

[A]

Oh, weird. Because there was also, like, 2007 black feminist, like, crime thriller, I think it was called Set It Off.

[B]

This one's kind of like a raunchy romp, hijinks, comedy. They go to New Orleans to the Essence Magazine Festival because it's kind of like Sex in the City. There's four of them. The main ones, like kind of the Carrie Bradshaw and.

Yeah, they reconnect and go to New Orleans. And Tiffany Haddish is very funny.

[A]

Wait, what is it called? Girls Trip.

Girls Girls Trip. But Movie freak. Nick the Movie.

[B]

But yeah, when we have a Muslim girls trip, you know, then I feel like assimilation will have been achieved. Girls until I. There's four hijabi chicks.

[A]

This is from 2017. There's a 1996 movie called Set it off by F. Gary Gray, famous black director. Written by Kate Lanier and Takashi Buford. The film stars Jada Pinkett, Queen Latifah, Vivica A. Fox and Kimberly Elise, and follows four close friends in Los Angeles who plan to execute a bank robbery. That sounds like fun.

[B]

That does sound fun. Yeah. Well, four. Four Friends is kind of a class.

[A]

It's a.

[B]

There's an archetypal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Thing there.

[A]

It's funny to think of a Sex in the City, but it's all black girls.

[B]

This is Kind of what girl strip is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Except there's not really a Miranda.

[A]

Yeah. Cuz black people really don't have that kind of comment.

[B]

They don't have that type of person.

But there's kind of like.

Yeah, like a trad wife. One who's actually like divorced but kind of sad but like. Yeah, more then Queen Latifah is kind of like a high power publicist. There's like the carry and then Tiffany Haddish is kind of like the joker's wild comic relief.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

Anyway, I forget why I brought this up. Oh, to highlight the difference between Muslims and blacks.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

And this movie is very haram. The stuff these chicks do. They're squirting and like full. There's they and suck and chicken wings.

[A]

Adjusting they weaves.

[B]

Big time. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Then no, there's just like.

Like there's just like a, a giant community of like black Christian people who are kind of low key Islamophobic I think.

[B]

High key.

[A]

High key. And then there's also like the Nation of Islam people which Jeremiah Harris might.

[B]

Join after his stinted prison.

[A]

5 percenter.

[B]

I want him to come back from Japan with a bow tie, cropped haircut, Malcolm X. Yeah, I'd respect him way more.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He became Muslim.

[A]

If he became a black nationalist. Yes.

Yeah.

Did you know that Mace was maga?

[B]

Who's that?

[A]

Mace is a rapper from Harlem who was part of Bad Boy Records. No, he's amazing. He's so cute and lovable. Well, he became a preacher and renounced the hip hop lifestyle. And then I guess is also maga, which is cool. It made me like him more.

[B]

Let us go. Cool.

[A]

Mason.

[B]

Betha, I'm looking up Jimmy o. Harris's birthday. June 2nd. Cancer.

[A]

Cancer. That explains it all.

[B]

It sure does.

[A]

You a moody ass.

Play a hater.

[B]

Yeah. Attacking a.

What?

[A]

Play a hate. In degree.

[B]

From Yale University.

[A]

He majored in play.

[B]

Honestly, I feel like people would be way nicer to me if they.

[A]

If you were black?

[B]

Well, yes, but also if they knew I was a Pisces.

[A]

Dasha, Everybody knows you're a Pisces.

[B]

I feel like they don't.

[A]

It's.

[B]

They don't they don't act like a. They don't act like I'm a highly sensitive, dreamy individual who's maybe not like cut out for like wheeling and dealing, you know? Yeah, they attack me.

But they don't know.

[A]

True.

[B]

I don't know what it's like. They don't just.

[A]

People don't understand the Pisces spirit.

[B]

They don't.

It's hard out there.

[A]

Should we talk about. Well, I was going to segue into this duo of divorce articles, but maybe we save that for last because we should talk about the Mum Donnie encampment thing.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

Mom. Donnie said he's not going to do the encampment sweeps.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Once he takes office, which I guess was a Eric Adams initiative, though it doesn't seem like they're doing that many swoops.

[A]

Signature Eric Adams. Yeah, he's pledged to stop homeless encampment.

[B]

Sleeps is one of those.

[A]

When he comes to office next month, which will effectively end a signature Eric Adams policy. He said, if you're not connecting homeless New Yorkers to the housing they that they so desperately need, then you cannot deem anything you're doing to be a success. Mamdani said of the Adams policy, which has faced criticism for not getting those homeless people into permanent homes after the sweeps. And then Adams immediately released a video response where he condemned the Mamdani measure, using this progressive argument that it's, like, compassionate and humane to take people off the street, especially if they're in distress or, like, if the climate is getting cold. He says we can't tolerate a city that turns a blind eye to human suffering. And he talks about, like, you know, like, human welfare and quality of life and all this stuff. And he's talking about the homeless themselves and obviously, like, not the people that are directly affected by the presence and activities of homeless on New York City streets, which is mostly like, local women and children. Adam says let's call it for what it is. Labeling the abandonment of our homeless neighbors as progress is just a slap in the face to real progress. I can't tell if he's being strategic there and trying to, like, belatedly pander to progressive Mamdani voters or if he's just, well, for.

[B]

To what end? He's got no reason.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know.

[B]

He's not right. He's going straight to Turkey.

[A]

Yeah. But, like, you know, my feeling is, like, if that's the frame that we're using, then woke or more correct. And I'm with Zo. Run, Momdani.

[B]

No, Anna.

[A]

You expect me to be like, mom Donnie. He's gonna turn the city into an even bigger hole country. But I'm actually like. I see where he's coming from.

[B]

I mean, that's not what he's saying, though.

[A]

What do you mean? Who?

[B]

Which mom? Donnie. No, he's. He's pretending like you can somehow house These people.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Sleeping like the. It's the encampment sweep. Yeah. That feels like a, like, nebulous terminology. Well, mom, Donnie wants to like.

Somehow hire these social workers, which I don't know how he'll get the money for.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But yeah, his vision is that we won't be sweeping them. We'll be like, housing. Housing them somehow. But the fact is that these. A lot of these street homeless.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't want to be housed.

[A]

Yeah, they don't want to be housed. And they like, ruin every housing situation that they're given because they're fundamentally antisocial people who have made the choice to not take responsibility for their own lot in life and to menace other people. That goes without saying. But like, the thing with homeless encampment sweeps is that they don't work because what ends up happening is like, you know, you and your neighbors call three one one, the cops show up, they like take the people off the streets and shift them around somewhere and then they're back within the span of a few hours to a few days. This is from the New York Post. Whether it's supportive housing, whether it's rental housing, whatever kind of housing it is, because what we have seen is the treatment of homelessness as if it's a natural part of living in the city, when in fact it's more often a reflection of a political choice being made, said Mamdani. The young and coming mayor, though offered up no specifics on how he planned to address scores of complaints about homeless camps around the City. According to 311 data, city officials received more than 45,000 complaints for encampments in the first 11 months of 2025. 40,000 of those came from me.

And like, look, everybody knows that like, breaking up homeless encampments is a temporary solution because nobody wants to think of a permanent solution because it sounds an awful lot like the final solution. And it requires like, it requires. Well, it would be like you have.

[B]

To house them against their will. Yes. Which is incarceration of sorts.

[A]

It's a non starter in like the progressive of logic. It just doesn't work that way to them. And like, you know, it requires, number one, a lot of cooperation from various government officials and agencies that are often at odds with each other and have like, conflicting goals and aims. It requires funds that the city doesn't have on hand. It requires like, infrastructure that's like, desperately lacking at this point. And then it. Most of all, it requires basically an attitude adjustment.

That is like the opposite of like the conceptual framework we're all used to operating under, which is, like, you can't house somebody against their will because this is a great crime and, like, a monstrosity.

[B]

It's their right to live on the street.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is not how a society works.

[A]

Yeah. And, like, you know, these people have shown that they cannot take care of themselves and they have chosen to be a menace to society.

But, you know, nobody wants to go there.

Because this is, again, seen as more harmful and monstrous than, like, leaving them to their own devices.

[B]

Maybe we'll 3D print some nice asylum. We can lock them in. I don't know. What, Like, I don't know. Like, it just seems like naivet on Mumdani's part.

[A]

I think he's being very smart and strategic and he. He is not stupid enough to think that street homeless can be rehabilitated. But it's playing into his larger.

Like, plan or message of focusing on housing and affordability, which he's, you know, frankly right to pursue, of course.

[B]

But that doesn't seem like the problem.

[A]

Yeah, it's. It's like, it's not. And I don't know what, like, not sweeping homeless encampments is going to realistically look like.

[B]

Right. Like, what does that mean?

[A]

But he's not wrong in, like, taking Eric Adams to task for being ineffectual and incompetent in this way. Because, again, like, they. They sweep these encampments periodically, and then leftists deny they exist, and then they're, like, back to square one. Like, you can see them on my block. They're everywhere. And, like, I'll be honest, like, I'm not trying to, like, deliberately, like, misinform or bamboozle people. Like, they're not as bad as, like, skid row in LA or like, the. Whatever. Skid Row and sf.

[B]

But they're the Tenderloin.

[A]

Yeah. Like, they're not, like, concentrated, massive, like, autonomous. Autonomous zones of, like, extreme, like, poverty and degradation and drug addiction, but they are. They do, like, infringe and infect everything that they touch.

[B]

It's a nuisance.

[A]

Yeah, it's. I think it's more than a nuisance. It's like.

A danger and a menace. It's, like, really bad. And it shouldn't, like. Like, there's no, like, wealthy civilized nation on the face of the earth that allows this to happen outside of America. Like, you go to any other country, this doesn't exist.

[B]

Definitely not in Japan.

Let's send them to Japan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

7.78 grams of Molly and then let. Let the Japs take care of.

All it takes is one ticket to Tokyo.

[A]

Yeah, but like, mom, Donnie is basically pointing to the incompetence and ineffectuality of.

Homeless sweeps. And like, 311 and NYPD are very helpful. Like, they'll do their job and show up.

[B]

Not if you're calling about a Department of Buildings related complaint. They are not helpful at all.

They just reroute the complaint to a kind of schnebulous organization.

[A]

Yeah, but you. You basically just, like, do need, like, a permanent institutional system of, like, detainment centers and mental health facilities that keep these people under lock and key at all times. And most of them probably can't be rehabilitated, but a small number will be and can be reintroduced back into society.

[B]

If we can do that, that's great.

[A]

Yeah, but no, I mean, nobody wants to put their, like, will and money into the problem.

I don't think, like, Mamdani is really serious about tackling the homelessness crisis. Is probably pretty low on his list of priorities at time. The same point you think.

[B]

I think.

[A]

But you think of, like, the frame and. And the frame is always like, how, again, inhumane and incompassionate it is to, like, leave these people on the street when they have, like, literally just, like, chosen. Like, they're completely rational actors. Much like Somali immigrants or refugees or whatever.

[B]

They are not rational actors.

[A]

Yeah, but they're. But they are very rational. And like, you know, as many people have pointed out in how they choose to live their lives and who they choose to target.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

There's also this, like, fine, like, hair splitting distinction between the various, like, shades and stripes of street addict homeless. Like, there are some who will menace people on the train, and then there are some who mostly keep to themselves and live in these, like.

Like mini tent cities. And they're often not the same people, but in both cases, they should probably be put away for the benefit of everybody involved. Which, again, like, I hear myself saying this and it sounds, like, harsh. Well, and authoritarian. But, like, what other solution is there other than to, like, let them thrive and flourish in their own way and, like, wreak havoc and chaos?

[B]

I mean, maybe you. One man's put away is another man's, you know, house.

Maybe mom, Donnie will. Will house them somehow.

Against all odds.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, and their preferences, which are kind of not to be in institutionalized.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which I can understand.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I. I've always said that I envy these people for their freedom, but, like. Yeah, they cannot be trusted to oversee their own fate because They've proven time and again they can't manage, like, the basic functions of life.

[B]

But in that way, don't you think? They're not rationed. They aren't rat, they aren't rational.

[A]

Well, not like on a longer time scale, but in the. In a short time frame they are because they're like, pursuing their own.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's game theory. They're pursuing their own, like, interests, which is like to. To shoot up, get high and be free.

[B]

Which, you know.

[A]

Must be nice.

[B]

Must be nice.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

[B]

There's a. There's one guy.

In the East Village, very close to my church, who is not a menace, but like, clearly. Yeah, just. And on a nice day. Yeah, I see him. He's got. He's wearing sunglasses. He's drinking beer in the afternoon. He's chilling on the street.

[A]

Yeah. He's like a fashion inspiration for. For Demna Gucci. Yeah, he looks cool.

[B]

Yeah, he like, period. People will complain and he'll be swept and then he inevitably just comes back.

[A]

Because that's where he lives. Is he like, disruptive or nuisance? Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of that too. Like, if we're being honest, there's a lot of them just like, kind of keep themselves.

[B]

But it does seem like a, like a lifestyle decision he has made.

[A]

Yeah. Of course, again, they're very distinct from like shelter homeless who have, like, temporarily fallen on hard times and are looking for a place to like, lay their heads with the kids and family. Sure. My issue is that is like. Yeah, like a mental health crisis. Hate to use that phrase. And it's also like a public health crisis because they're like, filthy and unhygienic.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And it just also, just like, as a. As a matter of like, cultural pride and self respect, you shouldn't let.

Derangement and degeneracy like, pollute nice, wealthy cities.

[B]

We got all these great outer boroughs.

[A]

Put them on Roosevelt Island.

[B]

Like, why not just.

I knew the affordable housing too. Like, why Manhattan?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, that's why.

[B]

Can we just keep the aisle clean?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Can we just have Manhattan? We have one little tiny island and they can go anywhere else.

[A]

I mean, the one nice thing I will say about street homeless is that they totally.

Put the lie to right wing racialist logic because it. Because drug addiction is like the great leveler. And it's very multicultural and especially down here, the demographics are very evenly split.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And yeah, it's very shocking. A lot of the street homeless here are white men and women.

[B]

Yeah. I Believe it. Sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do we have more wine?

[A]

No, but I have that. I have some Flying Aces, like caramel corn whiskey.

[B]

Sure. I might open that a little bit. One a big ice cube, please.

I'll take mine Rufo style. Or no, he doesn't drink. I'll take mine Lomaz style. Thank you.

Oops.

Your mic fell.

That's okay.

[A]

I'm like an inch away from being a street homeless myself. Who am I kidding?

It's all cope and compensation.

[B]

I'm really on a homemaking tip. I'm loving my new space.

And I love.

[A]

Well, Zoron's gonna make it into a mixed income living facility.

[B]

Well, where are. It's already so far? My old apartment. The scaffolding is like basically a window level. It's honestly.

Such a blessing that I was able to move before I got canceled because they also got after hours permits.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

And so they just don't.

[A]

Wait. What? That's so crazy.

[B]

They get them like a week at a time, but you can look it all up and. Okay, yeah, you know.

But yeah, they just. Are they. They're still building that. The high rise.

[A]

They should fill it with homeless people when all is said and done.

[B]

They originally was going to be like luxury condos.

And now. Well, now they've adjusted to meet a tax abatement that Adams ushered in.

Where if 25 of the units are affordable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which these Israelis will probably just give to their.

Family and friends and then the rest will be like overly priced, like Saudi style.

Condos still.

But it remains to be seen if they'll even be able to. I mean, it's. It's not my problem anymore.

But truly, if I had to spend the week like with the relentless. Like the relentless. Construction noise ceased. And then I got canceled. But if those two overlapped, like I don't. I wouldn't have made it.

[A]

Yeah, when it rains, it pours.

[B]

I would have just. I would have checked out. I would have euthanized myself.

[A]

You would have checked out like the many middle aged women checking out of their marriages.

[B]

Hell yes.

[A]

Let's go.

Wait. Let's do a Flying aces.

Whiskey tasting. Smells like rubbing alcohol. Courtesy of Rufo and Lomaz podcast, our sister podcast.

Okay, this one's way less bad than the other one.

[B]

It's sweet.

[A]

It's sweet.

[B]

This is.

[A]

This is caramel corn flavor.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's American made corn.

[B]

It's not very Petey.

[A]

It's holiday inspired.

[B]

It's not terrible. It doesn't taste like whiskey.

[A]

No, it tastes like some cocktail liquor.

[B]

You can become a street homeless and just drink your caramel corn whiskey on the sidewalk.

No, but it is getting cold. As cold as hell, I hope Mom Donnie's gonna build that affordable housing quick enough.

[A]

But. Right.

[B]

So there were two articles this week.

One was in the New York Times. It was.

A piece about why.

[A]

What was it called? It's called Opinion. It's okay that Our long and mostly good marriage ended. And then there was another one in the cut that was called the Women Quietly Quitting Their Husbands Rather than Deal with the drama of divorce. More and more women over 40 are choosing just to check out. The first one is by a woman called Kathy Hanauer. Ms. Hanauer is the author of three novels and two essay anthologies. She was working on a novel about single women in love. She and her husband, Daniel Jones, founded the Times Modern Love column. The second one is by a woman called Monica Corcoran Harrell, a journalist and screenwriter who covers culture and relationships.

[B]

And hers is more of a survey of people in her milieu.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Who are unhappily married but choosing to stick it out. Not exactly. Kind of just retreating.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Without officially getting divorced.

[A]

Yes. And then the first one is like, kind of a personal essay about her experience.

With getting divorced but not legally separating. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Ending her marriage, but not officially.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And.

Well, yeah. So Dan, her husband, still has a girlfriend and a great home upstate where he now cooks and entertains and where I'm sometimes welcome. Sad. I've learned how to change a flat tire, reset my WI Fi password, and build a metal drawer unit. It's upside down, but works fine. And through the much maligned dating apps, I've met men in Maine, Virginia, Michigan, France. A retired police lieutenant.

[A]

I've met Somalian doctors.

[B]

A builder, engineer, an ER doctor, and a former TV producer who's now a treasured friend. I dated a sweet man who'd recently lost a son, reminding me anew to cherish my kids. I've talked politics with people far outside my bubble. The highs, lows, and breath of dating keep me visceral and evolving. I'm not young, though, and know that in the great singles game of musical chairs, I may not end up seated again, especially since I won't marry or cohabitate.

[A]

It's crazy how there are so many women writers out there whose, like, main output is covering sex, sex and love from, like, a personal lens, because they're maybe personally aggrieved by men, but really secretly mad at themselves because they still seek male attention and are Flattered by it.

[B]

Well, it all like this at first I was reading it and kind of like, you know, it was like a little funny. And then it really quickly got extremely chilling.

[A]

Maybe it's like, cope. It was like, why would you publish this?

[B]

Sickening. And it sounds like her, right? And then she says.

Note. We haven't legally divorced for health insurance and tax reasons, but are otherwise fully separated. A lifelong good marriage is beautiful, admirable, beneficial. And parting a midlife can devastate the unhealthy or alone averse. I'm neither. Sure, babe. Yeah, but trumping single. Around Paris or Maine, I've sometimes wished for someone to. To dine or hike with. I spent hot Augusts and holidays, blah, blah. And I fret much this part. Yeah, I fret much more about money than I did during our marriage. After divorce, women tend to suffer financially. Men, socially. That said, Dan and I settled without feuding lawyers on an agreement that feels fair to us both. I'm still a writer. He still pays for my health insurance.

[A]

Plus a monthly monthly stipend. How convenient.

[B]

How easy after all the writing we did together fueled his career too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And yet.

[A]

Well, okay, my impression after reading these two, like, weirdly synced articles was that like, yeah, like, love and sex could be an interesting topic of inquiry if you're like an impartial social scientist like Charles Murray or Aella or a. And you're looking at like, social trends through like, graphics and curves and so on. But that's not what's going on here. And it's always this like, personalized confessional tone. And then I was thinking about like, oh, well, what's missing from this account? And it's always the male perspective. Right. Like, there's no like, complimentary or parallel discourse of men talking about their version of events.

[B]

I'd love to be hear about how Dan was able to avoid a messy divorce by paying his wife a stipend when he shacks up upstate with his new girlfriend and she has to go on hinge dates to get her wife.

[A]

Her how Dan is doing a victory lap because he was cucked and betrayed.

By his like, insouciant and ungrateful wife, but through the law of karmic retribution, actually ended up doing better than her.

[B]

Well, she's also outright admitting.

[A]

That she.

[B]

Wouldn'T have survived had she not gotten married. Yeah, her whole career was built.

Coupling with this man who clearly has financially supported her, still continues to. And her career is completely like, tertiary to his.

[A]

Yeah. But also her main priority in life. And, like, off the bat, it does seem like a, you know, cruel twist of irony, right, that this married couple founded this, like, love and sex vertical for the paper of record, only to have their marriage fall apart. But then you think about it, and you're like, oh, it's not ironic at all, because they actually value the status of being writers over, like, you know, the spiritual reward and honor of going through life together as lifelong partners.

[B]

I'm still a writer.

He still pays for my health insurance, plus a monthly stipend, like she says.

[A]

Okay. More than three decades ago, I did not want to promise to love my husband until death do us far. Okay, I did want to try. Dan was my soul mate. Was he and sweetheart. And I felt lucky and excited to start a life and family with him. But death, we hoped, was light years away. We were 29, and part of me rebelled against vowing my entire life to a monogamous, cohabitating partnership. I'd lived alone in my 20s and loved it. I'd always needed private space to fully unfold. I also enjoy dating and sleeping odd hours. I'm an obsessive thinker and writer.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

Love or not, I worried marriage might suffocate me. So I told Dan I couldn't swear to what I couldn't predict. He countered, people won't come to our wedding to hear quote, I'll give it my best shot. But he had a point. I said the vows. We were both right. He and his confidence, me to think twice. Were you right, Though it seems like only he was right and you were coping. And, like, the only way that he was wrong was in agreeing to go through with the marriage after you hit him with, like, a Nicole Kidman Eyes Wide Shut act. Like, you know, when she's, like, forever. Forever is a strong word.

[B]

I have a why. Why get married?

[A]

Yeah. If it's not forever until death do us part?

[B]

To cynically, like, leech off some man to support you until you decide yourself.

[A]

Don't secretly believe in forever until death do us part. Why air that publicly?

Like, who is this for? You know, as you know, I'm a stoner now, and I've been re watching Eyes Wide Shut in, like, small increments for, like, three to four weeks.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, you know, it's, like, a really good movie to begin with, but it's better when you're high again. I love when things like, dovetail neatly. And people really love Eyes Wide Shut for, like, the conspiracy theory masquerade ball angle and for how sexy Nicole Kidman looks standing in the doorway, and her, like, white, plain, like, hand row. Yeah, it's like panties. And I like it because it's actually not a movie about, like, conspiracies or elites or the Illuminati at all. It's about my favorite topic, which is, like, that life is mundane and people are delusional.

[B]

Well, it wasn't beloved when it came out.

[A]

It was, like, controversial. It was.

[B]

No, people didn't. It was thought of as, like, a very minor Kubrick, and people found exactly that. It was basically, like this very tedious marital drama.

[A]

Yeah, but that's what I like about it. And like you think about it, Eyes Wide Shut is not really, like, a romantic drama or a psychological thriller. It's a bourgeois comedy. And, you know, it's a movie about, like, how women are evil, chaotic, who shit test men and blow up a good thing, and how men are, like, clueless.

Rubes who continue to stand for this. An interesting thing I noticed is if you Google Eyes Wide Shut, one of the first. First hits you get is this Reddit thread complaining about how weak and annoying Nicole Kidman's performance is. And, like, ordinarily, I'm inclined to agree with that because she has a very, like, provocative and, like, whimsical and cooing demeanor in the film that's, like, not in line with her character status as, like, you know, a stable, like, upper.

[B]

Middle class wife and mother. Well, she's.

Doesn't she say in the. Or the scene where she's dancing with that man at the party? She says that she used to run a gallery, but they went broke.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. And I like. I generally find that, like, female mode, very grating and irritating, but I actually feel like Nicole Kidman's performance was very solid for that reason because it's, like, highly effective in, like, driving home Kubrick's intention. And, like, Tom Cruise, who also comes off as this, like, hapless and humorless blowhard, which he probably is in real life.

[B]

Well, they were also a real couple at the time. And Kubrick really, I feel like, put it to good use.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And there's this one scene where she wakes up from this bad dream, kind of, like, giggling and laughing, just as he's coming home from trying to, like, cheat on her for the millionth time and, like, failing. And she says, like, oh, I had the worst, worst. I had the worst dream. I was naked and laid out, stretched out in a garden, and there were all these men, all these men, and they were trying. They were me it was horrible. And he just like hugs her tightly with this tight expression on his face.

[B]

Well, because he's just come from the.

[A]

Orgiastic cabal meeting and like instead of like laughing in her face and being like shut up, you dumb bitch. And like my other inclination also is to like sympathize with the men who get gamed by these evil chaotic. Not because they're men and not because I'm a pick me, but because, you know, generally I tend to be on the side of the wronged party. But like, actually when I think about it, I'm not sympathetic to them at all because they did it to themselves. They bring it on themselves by tolerating this type of behavior.

[B]

Well, in both, both of these articles, op EDS have.

This very like.

The times when especially because it's confessional, but it's like there's something very like medicated and flat and false about it where she's like coping. Yeah. And I think think she's definitely on.

Medication. She seems.

Like the. The register in which she like is just new attempts to neutrally describe these circumstances that are totally fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But which are actually extremely depressing.

[A]

Dog and burning building meme. This is fine.

[B]

It's like it's giving like lobotomy. Both of these. Everyone in both these articles sounds like, like totally like depressed and detached and yeah. Like literally like they've had. Had a lobotomy because they're rich and bored.

[A]

Like you look at the survey of the people that the woman from the cut interviewed and it's like people from.

[B]

All walks of life and it's like.

[A]

Oh, what was it?

[B]

A therapist, a psychiatrist, screenwriters, journalist, former.

[A]

Model, a style influencer and an on air fashion correspondent. And they all end up doing like writing workshops and writing books about their failed marriage. And they love to use words like renovating and diversifying my attention and affection.

And like my question is like, why is this a legitimate topic of inquiry and what is the use in writing about it and what's the goal?

[B]

Well, it's the real cathedral is kind of like boom boomer women who want to for some reason discuss in like very undignified detail the fact that they like, have sex.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is extremely gross.

And yeah. Are having some.

Prolonged midlife crisis that they're processing and that is paid for.

[A]

By their consciously uncoupled husbands who are either cucks or actually kind of based and are like just like whatever. I don't give a.

[B]

Well, I think it's much. Yeah, I think it's much Easier to so called quiet quit. Yeah.

[A]

I'm gonna get a girlfriend in a.

[B]

House upstate and I'll give you a stipend that I won't. The thing about that I also thought of when reading the Times piece was the I. I think right. They've separated four years ago post Covid.

Or a post like lockdown. And.

I really think that.

Becoming legally separated, which might like this guy has a girlfriend she might want to get. She might want him to commit to her instead of being legally wedded to this, this woman he supports financially, unofficially. But should he decide to legally separate from her. I feel like that would be a huge problem.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And then it's only. She's only like satisfied with the arrangement she has because it is this kind of like gray area that she feels comfortable in because she hasn't. She's not like an officially divorced person. Yeah.

[A]

Where she feels like things are unfolding on her own terms. Yeah.

[B]

But that's not what's going on.

[A]

Yeah. And like the TLDR is ultimately that like nothing was wrong and nothing happened and no one was cheating or swearing or throwing plates. She says they just grew apart and parted ways after raising their kids and becoming empty nesters. And you know, again like the fine print is that they're not even legally divorced for health insurance and taxation reasons. So. Meaning she can always feel like she can call on him when she's still his wife for her. Yeah. And like on the whole this is kind of a non story which is like the operative term in that it's like not nearly bad as divorcing when you're still young and have small kids.

You know, I think it's still selfish and wrong.

[B]

Well it's the whole no fault divorce.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. That's like people attribute as being like a grave ill which seems to hold like not like these articles kind of bolster that argument that you shouldn't be allowed to have a no fault divorce. You shouldn't be allowed to leave your spouse unless they.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Have like seriously wronged you.

[A]

Yeah. And she's not. She never took her marriage seriously to begin with. And now she's not even taking her separation. Separation seriously because it's not even a real divorce.

[B]

And yeah. And there's kind. There's these. She says, sure, I worry about of dying and aging alone, but women on average live five years longer than but probably not separated women. I bet their life expectancy is far lower than women who are married.

[A]

Well is. Aren't there studies that show that married people actually Live longer on average than single. Probably. It makes sense.

[B]

And I think.

There'S. Statistically, like, I think typically if a woman dies first, the man will die not too long after or he'll instantly remarry.

[A]

Usually, usually he's young enough.

[B]

Yeah. But in late, like when people die of a relative, in a relative in older age, like men usually kind of perish shortly after their wives die.

[A]

I mean, when my dad died and he was like the youngest of the family, my grandmother died a few months after him and then my grandfather died a few months after her. Which was really sad for. Because it's like very sweet and romantic. They went together.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I mean, this was also like the norm. It's like, you know, back in the day, in the 40s and 50s, men had whole other families that women turned a blind eye to.

[B]

Yeah. Well, because they didn't have no fault divorce. They couldn't really. And even if the male party was at fault, they were financially dependent to an extent that they. Yeah, they like, much like this woman in the Times.

Couldn'T have left her husband and survived.

[A]

Yeah. And like, yeah, she admits that she frets over money more than ever, you know, as you said. But like, again, they have an amicle arrangement where he, you know, pays for her health insurance and gives her a monthly stipend.

[B]

Stipend.

[A]

She, she also claims that she felt guilt over the children who obviously, like, naturally, we're not happy with the separation, but she says that, quote, kids are happier when their parents are happy.

[B]

Narcissist.

[A]

Which is so. Yeah, it's like so insane and selfish.

[B]

That is text. That's Alice Miller. Drama of the Gifted Child. Textbook parental narcissism. Where the child feels like they have to make you happy. Yeah. When really you're their parent and you put them into a parentalized role, you know, merely make them manage having them.

[A]

And agreeing to take on this obligation. You have also essentially agreed to sideline your own personal needs and desires and ambitions.

[B]

You are forcing them to accommodate your unhappiness by pretending to be happy.

[A]

Of course they're happier that you're not like, miserable and seething, but that hardly means anything.

[B]

She also doesn't seem happy. Happy.

[A]

I know. And like, I, I really don't. As much as gay says coming out that you're gay to your parents or your parents coming out to you that they're separating, I think the second is way worse.

[B]

It's just gross.

[A]

And then she notes that rates of, quote, gray divorce. I think they should just be honest and Call it geriatric divorce, like geriatric pregnancy. Couples 50 and older are surging. Numbers for over 65 tripled since the 90s. And more than two thirds of all divorces are initiated by women. And then this trend appears again in the other article from the cut. In 1990, the divorce rate was 3.9 divorces per 1,000 married women who are 50 or older. By 2008, the divorce rate for this group had risen to 11. In 2023, the divorce rate stabilized among older adults at 10.3.

[B]

I mean, I can't.

I've only. I've been married seven months.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, so I can't. I don't have a theory of mind.

[A]

Yeah. Really.

[B]

For what it feels like to be married.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

20 years, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it seems like at that point, why.

[A]

Yeah. Why even blow it up? I mean, I guess that that was.

[B]

But I guess that's the point is that you Quiet quit. But that's just not. That's not the Christian model. That's how Christians do it.

[A]

I mean, it's just, it's weird to even separate or get divorced at that point. And I feel like people being locked in unhappy and unsatisfying marriages is a tale as old as time.

[B]

There's dignity in that.

[A]

Yeah. Well. Yeah. The only difference is that people, AKA women, now want to write about it and read about it because they find it novel and interesting because it's relatable to them.

[B]

Uh huh. I enjoy. Here's another quote. I enjoy the romance and sex I found. Yes. Even into my 60s, which of course many people turn off to in marriage. What the writer D.H. lawrence called, quote, the great cage of our domesticity. And.

I find that very gross. I find it so gross that these like, medicated boomers are opining about their sex lives.

[A]

And I think, like, look, okay, like, why relationships and marriages, like, often just don't work out and you have. You feel compelled to leave them for various reasons. The woman in the cut offers up this disclaimer where she talks about how it's worth noting that none of the current and former marriages discussed here dealt with physical abuse or domestic violence. For my sources. So these were like totally like normal vanilla marriages that fell apart because people were like, well, they haven't even bored and fallen apart. Yeah.

[B]

Marriages, they are just kind of. Kind of. Yeah. Classic. Very Lindy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Where people sort of retreat into their like myopic separate lives. Yeah. And don't even really try. There's not. They don't even have the Libido to like have enough conflict to divorce. It's this super.

And again, I know I've said medicated a bunch of times, but it does, it really feels that way.

[A]

Like yeah, these were.

[B]

Would not be satisfactory arrangements to someone that wasn't like.

Impaired emotionally, psychologically by pharmaceutical drugs that like allow them to sustain this level of delusion and delusion.

[A]

And I mean, again, it's like her life and her choice. And at this point it's not really seriously negatively affecting anyone but her. I mean her husband and her kids were negatively affected, but not as much as she is.

[B]

It sounds like she and her husband had a mutual.

[A]

I mean, who knows because we don't even get his right side of the story.

[B]

Well, she says they went to a counsel because he would never. Who told them to stick it out. And they both said no.

[A]

And the thing is like, you know, men aren't even allowed to talk about these issues and even if they were, they, it wouldn't even occur to them.

[B]

No.

[A]

Which is why you have like this whole like burgeoning economy of like angry incel. Take sellers on the Internet who actually like lack any experience. Well, here these matters, but they're not entirely wrong.

[B]

In the cut article, there's a quote from a man named Ralph Brewer who heads the global support group called Help for Men.

He blames the ever present loneliness epidemic. More men would step up in their marriages or initiate divorce, Brewer posits, if they had more friends to consult and social lives to fall back on. Quote, women talk to their lady friends about their marriage. Men internalize what's going on. Maybe his wife doesn't touch him anymore, so he turns to the Internet and gets fed a bunch of misogynistic stuff like men are kings and should be worshiped. And that's like. Feels so disconnected from what these articles are talking like that that, that doesn't seem like that's the problem.

[A]

Is that even true? I think, I don't think that's true at all. Inclination to write like substack to your articles. It just bo.

[B]

Boomers like spinning boomer females like spinning their wheels.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

About their own like myopic unhappiness which they like reframe as happiness. Yeah. Because they can write about it. But it's like, okay, if you're a writer, why don't you write about anything else?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why don't you write about anything else? Write about you're not a writer.

[A]

Yeah. Write about the Somali fraud crisis.

[B]

Yeah. Or about like, like do you care.

[A]

About anything or like literally anything.

[B]

Do you care about your children? Do you about anything besides like your immediate experience which you think is so like novel and interesting.

[A]

Yeah. Which it is actually happened to extremely millions of other women before you who just like shut the up and stuck it out. I don't understand why anyone would end a relatively calm and happy marriage.

[B]

She hasn't.

[A]

Also, if you've calmed this far and then dane to write about it unless the priority was always to write about it.

[B]

She also has not ended her marriage in any way that is meaningful.

[A]

She has like one foot in and one foot out.

[B]

She has a husband who still supports her financially while she goes on app dates.

[A]

Yeah. With like.

[B]

And claims she likes to die alone.

[A]

Exacts. Yeah. And even the way she talks about the guys that she's dated, like that passage that you read.

Since she separated from her husband and they all obviously fall short of her expectations.

[B]

Well, she's marriage and cohabitating is off the table.

[A]

Yeah, but it's like so condescending and demeaning. Yeah. Because it's all also a cope to avoid confronting the fact that she fell short of their expectations too and they weren't having it. Like she, you know, she talks about like the retired cop taught her how to get out of speeding tickets and the engineer installed her chandelier and the sweet man who recently lost a son made her feel good, you know, about feeling sorry for someone else that wasn't her.

[B]

Well, she is just such a textbook narcissist.

[A]

I mentioned that. I also dated an ER doctor in a Hollywood exec.

[B]

She only cares about people in like the utilitarian function they serve in her life or to the extent in the case of her children that she projects them wanting her to be happy. She has pays absolutely no mind to like how her actions affect people or what good she serves in other people's lives.

Servicing her.

[A]

Yeah. It doesn't occur to her that like.

The closest that you will ever get to happiness is by discarding your own personal needs and desires in service of your spouse and family.

[B]

Why? Why do these American boomers place such a premium on their personal happiness? It's so misguided. It's so godless. Every single person in that COD article too, I was like, okay, so they like don't believe in anything. They're completely like adrift. Yeah.

[A]

Well, it's so American. I know that like, you know, I said this to you earlier, but it's like, you know, I feel very bad and guilty about counter signaling America because it's not popular or trendy now, but I was just in Argentina. It's not that great. It's fine. It's. It's beautiful and Parisian and cultured and European and whatever. But the one thing that I did notice there is that you see a lot of couples in the street who are, like, holding hands and engaging in PDA and are really clearly in love and, like, sexually attracted to each other and are of all ages. So you see a lot of, like, old people getting handsy with each other in the street because they haven't been, like, cut out of, like, life and society.

[B]

Yeah. And.

[A]

And people just have, like, a different framework that's not, like, geared to personal fulfillment.

[B]

Maybe they're divorced people on hinge dates. Maybe they're separated and receiving a paltry monthly stipend while still being a writer. My identity as a writer is intact, even though I don't support myself financially. My separated husband who lives upstairs.

[A]

Girlfriend.

[B]

Pays for my whole life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And my health insurance.

[A]

And she's doing, like, the Ilhan Omar thing where, you know, she, like, throws in her lot with, like, African Americans to do the anti racism thing. She's doing that for, like, women of a different economic level or women from previous generations who didn't have the option to leave their husbands because they were financially dependent on them and had to suffer through, like, real psychological and physical abuse, which was an actual, real thing that happened because realistically, again, she's rich and bored and probably has, like, a real estate portfolio and, like, a stock portfolio that her husband manages for her.

[B]

I don't know. It's also with these, like, if you're a writer, why are you getting married to another writer?

You know.

Like, no, again, I'm. I'm not gonna get on a high horse about my marriage.

Which I haven't been in very long. But one of the things that's nice is that my husband works in a totally different, like, sphere and goes to work. And so we have. We spend time apart. We're not both, like, like, writing in the apartment, like, all day long.

[A]

Well, you're not locked in competition with one another.

[B]

Yeah, he goes to work. I have all this time to myself. I'm happy to see him when he comes home. Like, that seems sustainable for a long time. And when you're both, like, writing some love column for the Times, I could.

[A]

See how competitive with one another.

[B]

Despise one another.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

G.

Oh. But what I was going to say a while back with the life expectancy thing is that, yeah, men often die shortly after their wife does. But women typically, if their husband dies first, yeah do live on longer cuz they just have better social systems. Yeah, they have friends. Men don't really have friends. And like, like when their wife goes, they, there's no point really for them to go on. But women already, even if they don't quiet quit their marriage, they have like more developed social and interior lives that.

[A]

Yeah, they have hobbies, they engage in.

[B]

Volunteerism, whereas men bless their hearts like at least historically have, you know, gone to work, supported their families. Their spouse dies, then they dip out too. There's no point.

[A]

This is from the Cut article. Still at parties I hear women hiss their contempt for their selfish spouses. One middle aged friend without kids in a decade old dented marriage recently told me she now only travels solo to take much needed vacations from my annoying husband. Another moved into her daughter's bedroom as soon as 13 left for college. I can watch old episodes of Broad City, he can look at porn or whatever he does, she said of her husband. She sounded more than fine with the arrangement, even gleefully. Some women told me they would hit the road once their kids left the nest. One said she was hyping boarding school in Massachusetts to her only preteen son so she could Thelma and Louise it with her divorced friend. And then she recounts her own experience of how her mother simply stopped talking to her father for a year when she was a kid and.

[B]

And her dad didn't notice.

[A]

Yeah, and he didn't notice. Yeah. And this does feel like Nicole Kidman and Eyes Wide Shut esque provocation to get the man to like notice you and do something. And then men have like the converse response where they're like, well you know, I could sense that she was maybe unhappy or unsatisfied because she was complaining a lot, but she didn't do anything about it. Like she didn't come up with like a practical utilitarian solution. So it didn't occur to me that the problem was that bad.

And then I think like man, like okay, yeah, men are selfish and boneheads, but God bless them.

Because generally speaking, unless they're like in the small minority of like Andrew Huberman, dark triad sociopaths, they're just like clueless and well meaning.

[B]

And when they're not always well meaning.

[A]

But no, but when they hurt you, it's like often just like not intentional or calculated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is not to say that like they didn't hurt you and that your feelings like don't matter, whatever, but.

The, that Kind of glee that like almost erotic sadistic thrill that like boomettes specifically have at like icing out their husbands and provoking them to action is like so, so like dark and bleak.

[B]

It's all really. Yeah. As we know from the New York Times, two thirds of divorces are initiated by women.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But when a woman just quiet quits, a man won't typically initiate a divorce. I'll just like accept this kind of like low grade resentment.

[A]

Cold war. Yeah, because they.

[B]

Why would they. Bless their hearts. They're not the ones dipping out.

[A]

There's this point that the girl from the cut makes, which I thought was pretty, like good and salient. Though she does like couch it in like a corporate metaphor. She says Heather Haverletzky in her book Foreverland calls marriage the world's most impossible endurance challenge. But in my mind, marriage is not hard.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's too easy. Think about it. If you work at the same company for two decades, you're incentivized by raises and promotions. You compete with other colleagues for that corner office. If you don't perform, you get fired. Conversely, engaged couples get rewarded with a pile of wedding gifts as a signing bonus for simply saying, I do. The honeymoon too is a vacation hardly earned. Once you're married, no higher up supervises your attitude or tracks your productivity. It's on both of you as co workers to review your performance. Typically, that type of self reflection and accountability only comes up when or if you see a couple's therapist. My husband puts it this way. The job gets more serious and less fun because you're working toward the bigger reward, a life together.

[B]

What's wrong with that?

[A]

I mean, it is like so twisted to.

Make it into a workplace.

[B]

Right? But I mean, what's wrong with the life together? What's wrong with working.

For that?

[A]

And like, why is the solution always to see a couple's therapist? I feel like couples therapy does more damage to relationships than like almost anything else other than like SSRIs and birth control and whatever women are taking to make them so like disagreeable and unmanageable.

[B]

I mean, sometimes it can be.

I don't know, I haven't done it, but I imagine that having like a third.

[A]

Party.

[B]

You know, can just give you like the, a perspective on, you know.

[A]

Just.

How to.

[B]

Progress or like, it helps you like, reframe when you are like settling into some kind of like, passive of.

[A]

Sure. But you can just ask your mother who will tell you to shut the up and suck it up.

And wait. She Makes this point actually, at the end that I. I actually found the. The woman from the cut more sympathetic than the woman from the New York Times.

[B]

I didn't appreciate. I found her asides about her own marriage, which she's decided not to quiet quit a little.

I mean, I guess she maybe had to inject some personality into it. Yeah, but I thought it. I felt it would have been stronger had she.

[A]

But it's also condescending and demeaning. Why are you airing your.

[B]

I would never.

[A]

Husband.

[B]

I would never say. Yeah, I wouldn't write anything about my husband.

Because I respect him. So I wouldn't be like, you know, I would quiet quip, but I've decided on to. Or blah, blah, blah.

[A]

I mean, my feeling about it is like, even if your relationship or marriage doesn't work out where. Which, like, there's a good chance it won't under contemporary conditions. Like, the dignified and respectful thing to do is to just bow out quietly and not write about it or publicize it. Speaking of Harlem World, there's that good line from Biggie where he's like, problem with my wife? Don't discuss them. Like, you don't discuss your problems with your spouse ever publicly.

[B]

No, it doesn't.

[A]

You don't write articles about them. No. Because it becomes. It becomes blatantly, glaringly clear that you care less about.

Your.

Family and children, the harmony of your hearth, than you care about your, like.

Professional status.

[B]

For what?

[A]

Accolades? For what?

[B]

How much. How much are you getting paid by this failed publication?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To publish some op ed that someone's gonna read because they want to hear about how unhappy and miserable you are.

[A]

They want to commiserate with you because they're also miserable.

[B]

Or they are like me and reading it to make fun of you on the podcast. Like, they're not. No one's. There's no reason for you to say any of this.

[A]

No.

[B]

0.

[A]

Other than to prove the. The point of the worst, most misogynistic incels on Twitter, which is like, women have total control.

Of the culture.

[B]

She sounds like the loser in this situation. It sounds like he's gainfully employed enough to pay her a stipend and like, like, continue his life without having to go through, like, a litigious divorce. He.

[A]

He, like, existentially, spiritually wins in the end, but she's like, the cultural winner because she gets to write about it in, like, a major publication, which is all that she cares about it it's worth. And, like, obviously this woman is.

Ambitious and selfish and Controlling, which like, I.

[B]

Don'T even think she's that ambitious. If she was really ambitious, she would be able to, to. She would have ambition outside of herself.

[A]

Yeah, but what I'm saying is that those things on their own are not a bad thing. Like history was written by ambitious and selfish and controlling individuals. But like in her case, to what end that you get to write an article in the New York Times about how you're coping over the failure of your marriage that you initiated.

[B]

Well, there's never. Yeah, there's never one of these like, like chicks who is like an accomplished novelist in her own right who like has some body of work that's like outside of herself and decides to like.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Write a confessional thing that's like as a treat. You know, it's always some chick that's.

[A]

Her main identity as being.

[B]

She wrote a book.

[A]

Book about her marriage.

It's crazy. That's what I was.

[B]

Never ever, ever. Do they have some like, other like never oriented.

[A]

There's literally never been a woman who's like a successful and accomplished like anthropologist or lawyer or I don't know, scientist, politician, anything.

[B]

Martha Stewart.

[A]

Yeah, that's the. Yeah, she's like the exception that proves the rule.

[B]

She like had her own, made her own money. Amazing. You know, created her own brand, went to jail, all of that. And never like stooped to the level besides like what she revealed in that Netflix we watched. But like, yeah, she's never done the like book tour.

[A]

But even she and I love Martha Stewart. I think it counts against her ultimately. Even though I, I love her like impassioned letters to her soon to be ex husband.

[B]

But she never did the like my divorce. Yeah. Martha Stewart.

[A]

But these women's entire identity is like weirdly like ironically centered around their marriage because they have nothing else to talk about.

And even in that like, like paradigm, their marriage is like incidental to their experience.

[B]

I know. Which is their true value.

[A]

Can't see that. And like no wonder they're unhappy.

[B]

How'd they get led so astray?

[A]

I don't know. But the scary thing is like you can probably expect more of this as women get older and now there's going to be like a burgeoning industry of like.

Women who like never married or had kids who are gonna be writing about their experiences.

[B]

Well, I can also foresee, I think like the trad wifery trend plateauing and then there being, you know, like I.

[A]

Was duped by Return to Girl Boss.

[B]

Yeah, a Return to Girl Boss.

[A]

Well, did you see The Erica Kirk comments at that conference made no sense. Well, it was interesting because you know my feeling about it historically.

[B]

Well, she said, okay, that mom Donnie gained favor with women because they're unmarried, because they want the state to serve as a kind of spouse. Is that what you're talking about?

[A]

Yeah, that's probably true on her part. That's. I don't think that's a probably reasonable assessment.

[B]

No, no, no. I think she has her wires completely crossed because women who are, like, girl bosses who are postponing marriage are not looking for a welfare state to support them. She's, like, talking about two different things.

[A]

Well, no, they're not.

[B]

Which are like, women postpone marriage because they want to focus on their careers, but then women who want the state to provide for them are not the same category of people.

[A]

I think, like, maybe she means subconsciously. But there was, like, another commentary from that clip where she talks about how Charlie Kirk plucked her out of the New York City girl boss lifestyle and turned a hoe into a trad wife. And I really like.

[B]

He saw her on Bravo's Summer House.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that where he saw her?

[A]

I really, like, have to say I don't love when people, like, mock and roast Erica Kirk, given the circumstances, but I don't care. But.

That whole line of reasoning is so crazy and delusional and false. Like, she's weird as.

[B]

She's a liar. She's a liar.

[A]

He didn't pluck you out of being a girl boss. You're still a girl boss. You're every. In every sense of the world. You're a girl boss.

[B]

You're more of a girl boss now.

[A]

Than you ever were.

[B]

You were making Christian sweatshirts.

You were going on Bravo. You were on Bravo's Summer House.

[A]

You know what I'm saying? She's still, like, locked into the girl boss mindset. She never woke us back. It never left. She never left the girl boss.

[B]

She was drinking margaritas on reality tv. She is a con woman. She is not a trustworthy, worthy character. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care that she's recently widowed. I really don't. I think she is so creepy. Every time she is making a public appearance. She should not be. She is bombing. And everyone is creeped out by her.

[A]

I mean, I feel bad for her because she's always going to be under public scrutiny now, and people are gonna.

[B]

Like, she did it to herself. She doesn't need to be the. The CEO of Turning Point usa. She doesn't need to be doing all this. She's doing way too much. She'll be way more quiet. She'd be thinking of her kids.

[A]

I try to put myself in her shoes, and I think about what I would do if my husband was, like, capped while I had two small children with him. And I would probably, like, crawl into a fetal position and try to die, but then get back up again because I had to.

[B]

Like, I wouldn't be wearing my leather pants, hugging J.D. vance, acting like a. And free us, but pretending to cry everywhere I go.

[A]

Well, she's of a different ilk than us because she's like a very Prospecting manifest destiny. Like a typical American person who has like a.

[B]

She's a Bravo hoe.

[A]

Yeah, no, I know, but she has.

[B]

She's Bravo tear.

[A]

She has an alien philosophy to mine.

[B]

Everything that's going on with Turning Point is Bravo tier drama.

[A]

I mean it literally. Bravo Teardra.

[B]

But all roads lead to Bravo. She is like.

She couldn't hack it on Summer House. She married Charlie Kirk. This is her moment. She's seizing it. She knows exactly. Like, she's not.

[A]

I'm not downplaying her mourning and pain, but what I'm saying is, like, the. Her comments specifically about how Charlie Kirk saved her from a life of girl bossery.

Or not accurate.

In any capacity.

[B]

No, she doesn't seem like.

Like she's been. She's an unwitting kind of. She's been hoisted into this position. It's totally of her own volition that she is even doing any of this. Yeah, it's not like, circumstantial. It's not. She doesn't need to be the CEO of Turning Point.

[A]

I mean, I get that because I think, like, you know, in. In a certain way. Like, what choice does she have?

[B]

What do you mean? Yeah, The Flying Ace Caramel Corn. What is this? Whiskey and green neutral spirit. What is that? Well, a way of saying it's not whiskey because it doesn't taste like whiskey.

[A]

Well, the thing about this particular brand.

[B]

Which, like, is not sponsoring us, by the way.

[A]

That's why we're gonna talk on them. We can't talk on Alp.

[B]

I like Alp.

[A]

I'm. I'm on number two Elf Pouch.

[B]

You're gonna love it.

[A]

Trying to get them.

[B]

You're gonna get the.

[A]

Okay. The thing about this particular brand, obviously, is that they don't. Not obviously. Actually, I research this. They don't discover distill their own whiskey. They blend various whiskies together that are Provided by.

Already existing.

By ex Indian whiskey that are like provided by.

[B]

One big ice cube, please.

[A]

Yeah, that's my, that's my jam.

[B]

That's my gem is one big ice cube American whiskey.

[A]

It.

[B]

Yeah. I'm sorry, I'm. I'm chimping about Erica Kirk. I'm. I'm letting the Flying Ace talk tonight.

[A]

I'm. I'm actually happy you're doing this because usually I'm the one who's being like a total about other women.

[B]

I just don't.

[A]

No, it's cool. It's actually, you know, you got to stay true.

[B]

I'm not going to be bullied into like acquiescing. Yeah. Like she doesn't.

[A]

I'm telling you, I'm like a street homeless. You literally are street homeless.

[B]

Anna smokes the butt like a bum.

Like a total bum.

Anyway. What is this propaganda for divorce.

Or whatever it is?

[A]

Well, is it though? Because it's like divorce is like a fact of life now. Now it feels it actually propaganda for divorce. I think it's like retroactive cope.

[B]

For.

[A]

The fact that you feel guilty but also feel nothing.

And don't know how you should feel and maybe have like a faint awareness that you should probably care about your husband and children more than you care about your.

Ambitions as a writer.

[B]

I mean, not to sound like a total trad cath, but yeah. It's like you don't. When you don't have a coherent moral framework for why you do the things in your life, inevitably you'll reach a point where, yeah, it all seems kind of unhappy and pointless.

[A]

I mean, inevitably life is unhappy and pointless to some degree. To some extent.

[B]

But at least if you're Christian, you understand that it's not really about this life.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that you exist in like service of something greater. You don't have to be Christian to realize this.

[A]

But you know the anecdote of the woman who was thinking of leaving her 13 year 4 kid marriage when her husband suddenly got diagnosed with stage four pancreas, a cancer that was so drop dead.

[B]

Yeah, she was about to. She was about to tell him she was going to leave him. He got cancer, then he died. So sometimes you don't have to leave your husband cuz maybe he'll die.

And I thought, yeah, I. At that part I thought there was going to be like a turn where she was like. And so, you know, and now I miss him so much and I realize what I had. But nope, she's like happy.

[A]

He's. He's dead.

[B]

Was gonna leave him anyway.

[A]

Unless he has a disease. Get well soon.

[B]

I was gonna leave him. Turns out I just had to wait.

[A]

A little longer for him to drop with acceptance. Jeans suddenly won't budge past your hips. Fine. Whatever the dash dream of writing a novel before you turn 50. Add it to the it. Bucket it. Our jawline soften into jowls. Our parents die, our friends call us to whisper, I have breast cancer. Or our relationships gather dust too. As a midlife influencer who leads weekend retreats for women over 40, I always say acceptance is not defeat. It can be the first step to change. It can even be the change that's not a job. Why do you have to be a influencer who guides people through, like, obvious but unspoken realities that should probably remain unsaid? What is.

[B]

Is that.

[A]

What is that a midlife influencer for? What?

[B]

No, it's.

I mean, yeah, marriages have go through seasons is the thing.

[A]

I mean, life goes through seasons.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But yeah, when you decide to partner with someone, marry someone, yeah, you should.

Commit to either dying, to either them watching you die or you watching them die. That's the contract. And if you are unhappy, again, short of like, you know, serious physical, emotional abuse, blah, blah, all of that, they get brain damage to become a different person. Whatever. You know, there's circumstances in which I think it probably is appropriate to leave your marriage, but, like, you're just mocking the institution.

[A]

I feel like the funny thing is that when there was reasonable cause to leave your marriage, women didn't have the option to leave their marriage.

And, like, it's funny because, you know, we were talking about this earlier, but, like, we're still like, Bret Weinstein today was talking about whether the sexual revolution had failed, which I thought was. We settled by agreement. Our Barry Weiss debate.

[B]

Yeah, you knocked out of the park.

[A]

And it's like, why are we still having this conversation in 2025? This is a 2015 conversation. Like, obviously feminism failed and the sexual revolution failed and that it didn't really make anybody any happier. And what it did, ultimately, was that it amplified already existing problems and also, like, didn't give people, like, a clear out, because back in the day, you could blame all your problems on, like, economic and cultural circumstances, which you can't now. Now you just say, like, oh, I'm. I'm vaguely ambiently unhappy, so I'm gonna blow up my gray marriage or whatever.

[B]

Well, yeah, I spent Thanksgiving with my.

In laws who, contrary to popular belief, are not Indian, but actually heritage Americans. And it's Crazy to be in like a multi generational. You like just the drop off of every generation is so intense.

[A]

What do you mean the drop off?

[B]

Like, like you have.

I guess they're probably not the great generation, but you know, like the eldest people are. Had like sustained marriages that maybe had unhappy points but were able to like rear you know, a beautiful extended family and like, you know, they were like prosperous and kind of dignified.

And then the subsequent generation are. Yeah. Are more kind of like, like.

Boomer, like 60s era. There's like some fragmentation, but they still have a kind of like.

Dignity about like they. There's like a. Even in their liberalism there's kind of like a polite like waspy nice like.

Standard. And then their kids. Kids are all like non binary like just disaster.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the cause like the cousins and stuff. It's like.

And it's like that's just one generation between them.

[A]

It's crazy how you know, heritage American has like a random trans person in their family. Yeah, dude, I'm like, couldn't be me. But it will, it will be me in like a generation.

[B]

Well no, because people will just. Just be procreating less, have less stable family units. Like there just won't be the same extended families that.

Still somehow like persist now. But like those kids are gonna have maybe one kid, you know, Thanksgiving in 50 years. Yeah. In the same like just gonna be like, you know, there's not gonna be us and Jeremy O. Harris and I'll be happy.

[A]

It will be. It will be. We're gonna be breaking bread over how.

[B]

I'd love to, honestly.

[A]

Damn. We're gonna be like 60.

The Red Scare Girls and Jeremy O. I love Jeremy reminiscing on our fake beef.

[B]

Jeremy O. Harris, when you get out of prison. Come on, Red Scare.

[A]

Don't.

[B]

I think.

[A]

Don't do Adam Friedland show. Don't do doom scroll right here. Red Scare. Come on, you know you want it.

[B]

Just come on. Come on, Red Scare. Tell us about what they did. Tell us about the little room. We'll listen.

[A]

We'll give you 40 acres and an elf pouch. Be all good.

Reparations.

[B]

We're ready.

And I mean it. But we have to wrap it up because we have a very long show.

[A]

Actually we're pretty drunk from doing the caramel corn Flying Aces whiskey which we've inadvertently.

[B]

We let the flying. We let the flying Ace talk. But also the out pouch, which is better.

[A]

Which you can get 10 off if.

[B]

You just use discount.

[A]

Discount. Dasha, please type in that promo code.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

It's good.

[B]

It's good stuff.

It does. It's.

[A]

I like it.

[B]

It's not very ladylike.

[A]

Anyway.

[B]

Anyway.

[A]

We will see you in hell.

[B]

See you in hell.

[A]

It.