Jimmy Krimmenal

Summary

Red Scare Podcast – "Jimmy Krimmenal"

September 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova (the hosts of Red Scare) roam across the current state of media, celebrity, and cancel culture, springboarding from the Kanye West documentary ("In Whose Name?") and Jimmy Kimmel’s much-publicized cancelation. The discussion is as much about shifting institutional power as it is about personal experience, weaving in their signature irreverence, references to art and pop culture, and digressive humor. The episode covers late-night TV’s decline, the symbiotic relationship between 'cancellation' and profit, new right-wing victories, and the fate and freedom of controversial personalities like Kanye—and the podcast hosts themselves.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Podcast Origins & Late-Night Vibes

[00:23 – 01:19]

• The podcast started in various locations, now settled in a "shitty home office"—reflects on how recording style evolved from daytime, low-drinking sessions to boozy late-night tapings:
  "We've sort of transitioned into the late night. Space night. A couple of night owls. What can I say?" — Anna [01:00]

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2. Kanye West Documentary (“In Whose Name?”) Review

[01:19 – 09:19, 47:58 – 54:06, 106:31 – 112:29]

• Nature of the Documentary: Focuses more on Kanye’s personal mental health narrative, curated to avoid certain controversies (no explicit mention of "mental illness" or detailed personal crises).
• Celebrity Cameos: Surprised by the quantity and variety—Chris Rock, Dov Charney, Teyana Taylor, Diddy, Virgil Abloh, Elon Musk, Lady Gaga, Pharrell, Rick Rubin, David Letterman, DMX, among others.
• On Censorship and Footage: The documentary notably omits significant figures/events—Harley Pasternak, Nick Fuentes, Bianca Censori. Anna and Dasha speculate this reveals more than what’s actually shown.
  • "What's more interesting than what's in it is what's missing. So no Harley Pasternak, no Nick Fuentes, no Bianca Sensori?" — Dasha [08:01]
• Kanye’s Relationship with Kim & Bianca: The doc is “super, like, conciliatory and respectful to Kim … she kind of gets top billing.” Anna and Dasha point out the Freudian aspects of Bianca’s Kim-like augmentation:
  • "Bianca's got bigger problems, bigger tits. ... The whole thing with her is she's kind of been augmented to resemble Kim." — Anna [08:52]
• Final Take: Both note the film’s strengths and weaknesses: its lack of throughline, cautious omissions (probably legal/NDAs), and absence of most controversial material.
  • "I don't think it's ... that good. ... it has Kanye, like, some audio ... talking about how if the director doesn't have a through line ... but there isn't really a through through line." — Anna [106:31]

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3. Jimmy Kimmel’s Cancelation: Context and Complexity

[09:19 – 46:20]

• Symbolic, Political, and Corporate Layers:
  • The Kimmel situation is dissected far beyond soundbites. They draw analogies to Trump-era controversies and late-night TV’s systemic decline.
    "It's a win-win situation for everyone involved ... the Trump administration gets to look like it's making inroads on defeating the 'radical left' ... Jimmy Kimmel ... gets to exit the whole thing as like a victim of right wing cancel culture." — Dasha [10:20]
  • The role of regulatory battles (Nexstar, FCC), business interests, and the broader culture war are unpacked, with the hosts emphasizing complications beyond the simplistic "canceled for saying X" narratives.
  • They admit the cancelation of Kimmel (and earlier, Colbert) is a product of tangled motivations—part business, part politics, part inertia.
• Cancel Culture as Ecosystem:
  • Dasha references Dave Portnoy’s distinction between modern cancel culture and the present right-wing version—a difference between dredging up old offenses vs. punitive firing over current controversies.
  • Notable exchange:
    "It's a little dumb to be like, this is cancel culture and this isn't. Because it functionally ... is still like ... so much of what people experienced as cancel culture was like a self policing, a self censoring. And that's more insidious and harmful, I think, than just like someone getting a talk show host fired." — Anna [22:22]
• On Free Speech Absolutism:
  • They debate the implications of Kimmel’s firing for free speech, referencing Glenn Greenwald and others—and questioning the principles of free speech-loving centrists when the tables are turned.
  • Anna: "I can't really go to bat for Kimmel because ... this is a consequence of ... if you really hate Trump, if you really think it's worth it to tell 1,128 jokes about Trump ... you know, principles have consequences." [36:02]
  • Dasha: "I really don't think this is a free speech thing.' [28:05]
• Institutional Decay:
  • Both express pessimism: This isn't a “win” for the right—just another milestone on the decline of legacy media and late-night comedy.
    • "Late night hosts like Kimmel and Fallon and Colbert are like dinosaurs in the tar pit of the legacy media." — Dasha [46:42]

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4. Cancel Culture’s Personal Toll

[25:33 – 35:38, 34:07 – 35:11]

• Both hosts recount their own brushes with “left-wing cancel culture”:
  • Dasha describes being "disinvited from a genre film festival" and losing professional opportunities over politics.
  • Anna reflects on being targeted online, having agents contacted, and the futility of schadenfreude over Kimmel's fate:
    "I feel like putting the boot on like Jimmy Kimmel's neck doesn't really like take it off of mine." — Dasha [26:19]

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5. Kanye as Case Study: Genius, Mental Health, and the Culture War

[47:58 – 109:17]

• Kanye’s Creative Process & Collaborators:
  • The hosts are rapturous about Kanye’s genius—his total vision, ensemble creativity, and the way he wields and discards collaborators.
    • "He's a creative director ... a totalizing vision." — Dasha [53:32]
  • They debate genius vs. mental illness:
    "I hate being bipolar, it's awesome." — Recalling Kanye’s lyric [67:57]
    "Mental illness is fake ... [what] a lot of mental illness amounts to is that you don't have anybody saying no to you." — Dasha [65:01]
• Freedom, Chaos, & Cancelation:
  • Anna draws parallels: "When you are so creative, being hindered makes you feel you may as well be a slave. If you're not free to wear a MAGA hat, say whatever you want." [35:25]
  • Both dissect how the cycles of cancellation, mental health crises, and creative output feed into one another, with Kanye standing as the patron saint of both.
• Controversy, Jewish Power, and Hypocrisy:
  • The documentary's reticence to fully address Kanye's antisemitism is noted as strategic (and legally fearful).
  • They take aim at media hypocrisy:
    "Chris Cuomo was like, okay, sure, yay. 50% of executives in Hollywood are Jewish, but that doesn't mean they're like a cabal or a mafia or they're acting in unison." — Dasha [48:05]
  • They repeatedly call into question the evenhandedness and bravery of "free speech absolutists" in the industry: "... what would have happened if Jimmy Kimmel had said something anti Israel and pro Palestine? ... Just curious. This super hypothetical situation that's never going to come to pass.' — Dasha [79:30]

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6. Decline of Institutions—What’s Next?

[98:58 – 109:03]

• Right-Wing Cultural “Wins”:
  • Skeptical of right-wing pundits (Jack Posobiec, Steve Miller, etc.) claiming victory in the culture wars. They see it as cold comfort:
    "We're not going to like undo the institutional dominance, we're going to just undo the institutions ... college and late night television ... just won't exist anymore because they're already ... obsolete due to other extra political forces." — Anna [101:08]
• Human Capital & Taste:
  • Frustration at the mediocrity of incoming generations in media and entertainment; worries that the right cannot build better replacements because “none of these people have taste.”
    "What will prevent those institutions from being captured and corrupted from within too? ... I prefer, I like far prefer the right to the left ... but ... They have no taste." — Dasha [101:41, 102:34]

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7. H1B Visas & Tech: Signs of Change or Illusion?

[94:40 – 98:58]

• Discussion briefly pivots to Trump administration's new $100,000 visa fee for H1Bs, targeting Indian applicants and Silicon Valley hiring. Neither host is particularly hopeful that changes in immigration or tech hiring will yield culture-wide improvements in creativity or standards.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "He has BDE because he has that deep, like, KJ voice and kind of looks like an Egyptian mummy. I like his vibe." — Dasha, on Pharrell [05:55]
• "Two wrongs do make a right. ... put them together, you get something special." — Dasha, on "Blasian" identity [06:14]
• _"But, the left for ... decades, has enjoyed also, like, total narrative control and are free to violate free speech at every turn." — Dasha [19:13]
• _"Mental illness is fake ... Somebody needs to say, 'shut the f--- up.'" — Dasha [65:01]
• "If you really hate Trump, if you really think it's worth it to tell 1,128 jokes about Trump, again ... principles have consequences." — Anna [36:02]
• "Do you guys think Hitler was any different?" — Dasha, regarding Kanye's talent for discarding collaborators [109:33]
• "What makes you think your man-made neo-institution will not suffer the same fate as all institutions throughout time in history?" — Dasha [102:49]
• "Elon Musk ... most effective ... but it’s not gonna be good. It's gonna be a shitty ass Tesla that some Indian guy is driving you in." — Anna [104:24]
• "He's so funny and so smart. He just ... He's a genius." — Dasha, on Kanye [68:07–68:14]
• "‘Late night hosts like Kimmel and Fallon and Colbert are like dinosaurs in the tar pit of the legacy media." — Dasha [46:42]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:23–01:19 — Banter about the origins of Red Scare and recording environment
• 01:19–09:19, 47:58–54:06, 106:31–112:29 — Kanye West Documentary review
• 09:19–46:20 — Jimmy Kimmel controversy, free speech, and media institutions
• 25:33–35:38 — The hosts’ own experiences with cancel culture
• 54:06–67:57 — Kanye’s genius, mental illness, and media treatment
• 79:30–82:29 — Free speech, Israel/Palestine, and media hypocrisy
• 94:40–98:58 — H1B Visas and America’s tech/labor landscape
• 98:58–109:17 — Collapse of old institutions and speculation about replacements

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Tone & Style

The episode is rambling, irreverent, and steeped in irony, with sudden whiplashes from mockery to insightful criticism. Anna and Dasha are uncensored, teasing out personal and societal contradictions in real time. They’re skeptical of both right- and left-wing dogma, consistently question their own positions, and invoke their own experiences in creative and media industries for authority and color.

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Concluding Thoughts

If you haven’t listened, this episode is a lively, wide-ranging critique of the current culture wars, using Kanye and Kimmel as totems of our weird transition era. Anna and Dasha express hard-won cynicism about media institutions, the sustainability of “victory” in the cancellation economy, and the prospects for creative renewal in America. Ultimately, their sympathies tend to lie with the creative outcasts—the Kanyes, and, in their own sly way, themselves.

Transcript

[A]

Okay, we're back.

[B]

We are back, indeed. Back to where we started in the shitty home office.

[A]

I think we actually started it in.

[B]

The living room right now. Where did we start?

[A]

We did our first one in a studio.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then I think at Adam Friedland's house. Because he had the zoom recorder.

[B]

Right. And then we were jumping around. But since I've been living here and.

[A]

We used to do it in the daytime.

[B]

Yeah. And not drink as much.

[A]

Yeah. But then we've sort of transitioned into the late night. Space night. A couple of night owls. What can I say? We watched the Kanye west documentary.

[B]

We have a good docket. Yeah. Pretty plentiful. Not embarrassing.

[A]

Kanye's just so great.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's just such a. Like the. So, yeah, it's called. In whose name?

[B]

Do you want to just dive right into the dummy? And then we can get around to, like. Because what else is going on? Kimmel.

[A]

Kimmel. Which by. Honestly, by the time we upload this episode. Yeah. Ta.

[B]

Nehisi Coates. I don't know if you read that one, but it's like.

[A]

I mean, that's. Yeah. Well, now that I guess we can talk about Kimmel. We can. Well, they sort of. When I saw the Kanye doc, I was like, oh, it feels kind of, you know, interesting little cameo from Charlie Kirk in the Kanye dog as well as Heiji.

[B]

I know. And she's, like, trying to reach out to Kim because Kim is crying, like, a brief, like, screaming at her. This is basically a documentary about Kanye yelling at people while they play on their phones that, I guess he greenlit as a documentary that raises awareness about his personal mental health struggles, not, like, mental health issues in general.

[A]

Yeah. He never says mental illness or even, like, mental health struggle. He just uses the word mental health.

[B]

The stigma of mental health.

[A]

And then at one point he says, this mental health shit's crazy. But, yeah, this kid has been filming him for years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Since he was a teenager. The doc. There's a lot that's definitely not in it, you know?

[B]

Well, yeah, I was, like, struck by how many celeb cameos there were, which is, like, not surprising, obviously, because Kanye is, like, one of the most famous living artists and people in the world. But it was like, who was it?

[A]

Chris Rock.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Dov Charney.

[B]

Yeah. These are, like, the least famous of the celebs. It was. Oh, yeah. Tiana Taylor. Also not that famous. I don't know why. Diddy. Virgil Elon.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Lady Gar Pharrell. Yeah. Drake.

[A]

Asap.

[B]

Rocky.

[A]

Trump's Kind of. Not really. You know, they kind of just cut to the footage.

[B]

Yeah, dmx.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

DMX doing his, like, preacher man bit as he's in.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

Rick Rubin. David Letterman, speaking of late night tv.

[A]

Well, he's also not really in it. It's like, a clip of him from.

[B]

Like, talking James Terrell show or something. Okay. It's funny how all these, like, rich guys, like Letterman and Rick Rubin, they. I bet you James Terrell is like this too. They just, like, grow out the woolly white beard and start dressing like a Buddhist to signal how they've renounced worldly material possessions.

[A]

Totally. There was a guy sitting next to us who looked exactly. He looked like John Baldessari. He was, like a disheveled. He had, like, a bearded With a braid and stuff. And when they were doing the black lives matter is a scam portion, he kept going. Amen. He kept having, like, helpburst, which so did I, to be fair.

[B]

You are a free press subscriber. Jewish and Jewish coded. Rich guys love doing that. Just, like, wearing, like, a faded and distressed easy tea and embracing, like, pseudo Buddhism.

[A]

Aging is just. It's. Yeah, there's no. I'm scared. I want to get wine on your uniforms.

[B]

Oh, yeah. The supreme dude who had a stroke on the company dime and then.

[A]

Oh. Oh, no.

[B]

I thought it was Kanye. Never mind. I got excited.

[A]

Oh, Pharrell, who I don't think should.

[B]

Be allowed to say the N word because he's Asian.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He blazed.

[A]

He's not. When he. I was like, whoa.

[B]

I was like. Pharrell's allowed to say that?

[A]

I wouldn't, because he was kind of saying it a lot.

[B]

Yeah. He's compensating because he feels ethnically insecure because he's. He's like.

[A]

He's Blasian, but he really doesn't feel like, you know, it doesn't feel natural coming out of his mouth.

[B]

He's sexy, though.

[A]

You crazy?

[B]

He has a BDE because he has that deep, like, KJ voice and kind of looks like an Egyptian mummy. I like his vibe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Not a mud shark and not into Asian guys either, but I'm just saying.

[A]

But put them together, yeah, you get something special.

[B]

Two wrongs do make a right. He also seems like he's like, five, six or something. But, yeah, I noticed he was dropping and a lot. I think by that standard, we should be allowed to say it.

[A]

I know, Pharrell.

[B]

It's gonna happen. I'm never dropping hard R because I don't do that it's mean and cunty, but it's just.

[A]

I mean, I. Well, yeah, I didn't mean either is what I meant to say.

[B]

But Soft landing is. Is fun and acceptable. It's kind of hard to do a podcast without it.

[A]

It's hard to do. Hard to sing along to some of your favorite songs.

[B]

That guy remember who canceled supreme because they refused to release the Arthur Jaffa lynching T shirts? Tremaine Emory was up in there looking like a homeless person. I don't know who that is. He's like a fashion stylist and consultant who's like a big deal. I think he's somehow affiliated with Virgil.

[A]

Well, yeah. Kanye. So the doc starts in 2018 when Kanye starts wearing the MAGA hat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That he made himself different shape. And then going on SNL and having that tantrum about them bullying him. And then tracks his rise even though he's struggling with mental health. He.

[B]

Aren't we all? Yeah.

[A]

You know, we both were having some problems with our medication in 2019. Then there's really no footage from 2020.

[B]

Well, it's interesting. What's more interesting than the. Then what's in it is what's missing. So no Harley Pasternak, no Nick Fuentes, no Bianca Sensori?

[A]

Well, I think Fuentes only really hung out with him a couple times.

[B]

Yeah. But that was kind of a large footnote. Bianca's kind of a big deal.

[A]

Definitely. But she probably didn't want. He probably didn't want her in the dock or.

[B]

Well, the doc is. Is super, like, conciliatory and respectful to Kim. She kind of gets top billing as top. I would be ma if I was Bianca. Cuz it's very clear that even though their marriage is struggling and they have a lot of problems, he really loves Kim and the kids. Like, you can tell. Even though he's like, crashing out and off his meds and whatever.

[A]

Bianca's got bigger problems, bigger tits.

[B]

She has more back pain.

[A]

She's. I mean that in. The whole thing with her is she's kind of been augmented to resemble Kim. And she says, like Avatar. I think there's love there too, but it's really different. He's, you know, I mean, he was on top of the world. And then I feel like there's a.

[B]

Movie about a guy whose wife dies or divorces him and then he, like, makes another woman in her image or several movies. Like, I feel like that's a genre film.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

I almost. It made me weirdly want to cry when after his SNL tangent, which isn't even so bad in hindsight. And oh yeah, what felt pertinent to me was like with the Kimmel, all the talk of cancel culture, you know, you really like, we all kind of remember certain aspects of it, but I really did forget how like wearing the MAGA hat was, you know, controversial. Yeah. Like that, that was like, whoa, they try to bully him into not wearing the hat. Huh. And do mind control on him.

[B]

I mean, I think this is like that whole narrative to me is like both sides wanted it and they got what they wanted from it. Kanye got to feel like attacked and misunderstood and the SNL people got to feel like also attacked and righteous. It's like the Jimmy Kimmel thing where it's clearly a financial decision, but it has like moral and political cover and like, it's a win, win situation for everyone involved because like, the Trump administration gets to look like it's making inroads on defeating the quote, radical left, like the studio heads or the network heads or whatever, get to cut some financial dead weight with the, With a kind of a moral or political cover. And then Jimmy Kimmel, he gets, well, he gets to exit the whole thing as like a victim of right wing cancel culture.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And a martyr of the resistance. Everybody wins.

[A]

And insiders reported to the New York Post that he. His contract was up soon anyway and he didn't really want to renew it.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I believe it's complicated, but I think it is.

[A]

It is actually complicated in a way that I. Because when my. When they canceled Colbert.

[B]

Right.

[A]

My parents were pissed and they called me. This was back in like July. They were like, trump, cancel Colbert.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I was like, what are you talking about? Like, he can't. He didn't issue. That's not how it works. So I already like, did kind of looked into it and then with Kimmel, again, the same sort of thing. It all has to do with this company called Nexstar that owns. That's an affiliate of ABCs.

[B]

Right. And it's involved in some mergers and lawsuits, basically.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

Speak on it.

[A]

Well, it's called I. It's complicated for me because even though I don't like Kimmel, I am a gay nerd immigrant child.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who does have this like, emotional attachment to the late night.

[B]

Of course. Yeah.

[A]

And SNL too. Like, I used to like practice my SNL monologue in front of the mirror and you know, had. Would fantasize about being a guest on Letterman on a talk show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I thought David Letterman was, like, the coolest. He was the first, like, cool person I ever knew about, you know? And I thought so, too.

[B]

And then I found out he wasn't Jewish, and it made me like him even more.

[A]

He's Midwest, bro. He's edgy and Midwestern and cruel.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But. Right, so Nexar is an affiliate of ABC's that owns local television networks. Everyone should also rewatch the Movie Network, which I did the other day. Faye Dunaway.

[B]

Fuck. She plays the exact same difference.

[A]

Because it's very, like, prescient, even though it's not, you know, there's no FCC in it. But the FCC right now also. It doesn't really matter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because Nexstar threatened to pull. Not to pull, preempt. Kimmel first. Right. And right now they own about 40% of, like, local networks, but they want to have this merger that currently the FCC doesn't allow, so they need the FCC to approve it. Okay, so you're saying there is some political pressure. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I mean, for sure. But it's more diffused and kind of complicated. And then after this merger, they'll own 80% of the.

[B]

If the FCC allows it to pass, which it will because of the new Kimmel situation presumptively, but because they're playing ball.

[A]

They're doing the. The state's bidding.

[B]

Right. But, like, the libs are freaking out and saying that, like, the free speech is over, Nazi terror is upon us. And this is, you know, like a Stalinist dictat. Mm.

[A]

Which.

[B]

Where, you know, they went, no one directly ordered anything, but the people lower in the pecking order did as they thought was wanted or whatever. Yeah.

[A]

Which is also kind of Stalin. Stalinist in a way. I mean, it's not. I don't think, like, it's exactly like, a free speech issue because, like you said, it is also kind of like, in everyone's interest.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And no one watches the network.

[B]

Like, 70 million a year or something.

[A]

No one watches. Everyone I know watches America First.

[B]

Yeah. People watch streamers and, like, listen to podcasts. That's the new late night.

[A]

But that's. Yeah. So I.

[B]

People watch America first and listen to night owls. That's the new late night space.

[A]

But Kimmel basically is kind of just like a patsy, and he's stuck between, like, regulatory oversight, business interests, this, like, culture war.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And he's the perfect kind of, like, sacrificial lamb scapegoat, I feel, because he. He, like Charlie Kirk also is kind of like a modern, you know, he has Trump derangement syndrome, but about as bad as anyone else in entertainment. And he's not like. He's not like Rachel Maddow, like, well.

[B]

He'S not a political commentator, but he's a smug and sniveling prick, and he likes to feel above it all, much like Seth Rogen. So his contempt for the Trump administration and, like, Donald Trump himself isn't even political or ideological in nature. It's just like, good old high school resentment that he's not even possibly aware of.

[A]

I also read in the Post that in 2025, he told 1128 Trump jokes.

[B]

I mean, this is also. It's like. Like, these people need Trump because. Well, yeah, he, like, fills their coffers because he gives them content. They would be, like, doomed without him.

[A]

I mean, much like the point you made about contemporary art.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Trump also has made the comedy pretty obsolete because he's so funny.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

That you can't even really like. I bet most of those quote jokes were him just playing Trump clips and even the Right.

[B]

And adding some kind of, like, intentionality after the fact while pretending that Trump's humor was unintentional when really everyone's just.

[A]

Enjoying the Trump footage. And that's what's getting people to laugh. But I do am. I do agree with, like, Glenn Greenwald.

[B]

What do you say? What do you say?

[A]

You know, I just. It's the principle of it for me, because I've spent so long calling myself a free speech absolutist.

[B]

Yeah. I know.

[A]

I can't be, like, splitting hairs and saying like, this, actually. I mean, it's like. But it's not like I care that much and need Kimmel on the air.

[B]

No. And it feels. It feels very painful to part with that side of yourself that's a little bit, like, more naive and equinimous or whatever. But I'm, like, really no longer sympathetic to that argument. And like I said in the last episode, Glenn knows what he's doing and he has to do it, and I get it, and he's my dog and whatever. But, like, again, this argument would only apply if we lived in a country where the left and the right operated on a level playing field, and the left didn't enjoy, like, a monopoly on all academic and media institutions, like, going back decades. Right. I mean, like, again, Angela Davis. I almost said Angela. I wish. And like, the Weather Underground getting cushy sinecures at, like, various in universities, while, like, the J6ers and Derek Chauvin, like, rot in prison, people got mad at me about the. The tweet where I said, oh, well, I would be more inclined to be sympathetic to that argument if. If Chauvin was not in the can. And.

[A]

Well, of course, the stupid idiots that they are.

[B]

What?

[A]

Of course they got mad.

[B]

Well, I know, but the stupid idiots that they are because they can't read and they.

[A]

Because people don't know that Derek Chauvin didn't murder. I don't know.

[B]

They know that it's not. Not. It's not that they. They thought that I was making the point that, like, it's free speech to put your knee on someone's neck.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like that level of. Of idiocy. But, like, okay, there was. There was a. A misinformation cascade that led to a political trial that led to what I think is a wrongful conviction.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

At the very least, he was not able to get a fair trial. I think we can agree with that. I don't want to quibble over, like, Shoban specifically, but like, the. The left for. Again, for really, if you want, you can say like, 10 years, but really, like, for decades, has enjoyed also, like, total narrative control and are free to violate free speech at every turn. Basically, anybody who sounded the alarm about COVID or BLM got canned from their. They job or deplatformed or debanked. Like, come on.

[A]

But like, yeah, I mean, and I know people.

[B]

I know people will say, like, oh, well, you don't want to meet your enemies at their level. Like, when. When they go low, we go high. But it's not even that. Like, I feel like this argument, like, preempts the free speech thing. It's like when Glenn made a similar argument about Mahmud Khalil and how, like, well, you know, it's unfortunate and shitty, but he has every right to state his opinion in these campus protests. And I'm like, no, no, no. Because he is a hostile foreign agent who is possibly paid by a hostile foreign agency and should not be in the country in the first place. He is a national security threat. Free speech doesn't come into play, and he's not a citizen. Yeah. Though, of course, like, again, even non citizens are protected well under the Constitution and have a right to free speech.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm. When I talk about the principle of it, I don't mean, like, people's league, like, you know, legally. Right. Jimmy Kimmel's First Amendment rights have not really been violated, but the facts. The principle of the matter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that his show was canceled. Again, not by direct order. Right. But like through these forces.

[B]

Yeah. Like shadowy back channels, some decision was made.

[A]

And in some ways it's, it's more punitive and in a straightforward way than like left wing cancel culture was. But I feel like the, the cancel culture that we're familiar with was more nonlinear.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

Like, it wasn't again, like the cathedral. Right. There's like these institutions sort of working in lock step. But I saw Dave Portner make this point, which.

[B]

And, yeah, surprisingly good.

[A]

I actually was like, he's not, it's so annoying. But he's not wrong when he was saying, yeah, cancel culture isn't like when you say something and get in trouble. It's when people like dig up things you said in the past or like your sex videos or, you know, you shooting a gun on the 4th of July with your boyfriend on his private Instagram, you know, like, and then trying to cancel you for something that they perceive as like wrong think or wrongdoing or, you know, true.

[B]

Actively.

[A]

But that's not.

[B]

It's hindsight. Sure.

[A]

It's a little dumb to be like, this is cancel culture and this isn't. Because it functionally at all is still like. And so much of what people experienced as cancel culture was like a self policing, a self censoring.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's more insidious and like harmful, I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Than just like someone getting a talk show host fired.

[B]

Also, like, there are these gray areas. Jimmy Kimmel did not make a flippant and casual joke about Charlie Kirk or his death. He lied about the political affiliation of the shooter. I. I'll pull up the comment.

[A]

And it wasn't even. Yeah, the joke itself, that was like the kind of setup to the joke.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it was at that point already we knew the shooter wasn't maga.

[B]

Yeah. He, he also made some joke about Trump insufficiently mourning Kirk and having the reaction of like a child mourning his goldfish because, you know, he's such an insecure idiot and fop and whatever, which is like, yeah, you know, whatever. Rude and smug. But that's admissible. Nobody cares about that. What he said was, we hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it. So. And then the free press, they're not very free speech friendly because everything is pay walled the up. They need to give a sister a free subscription.

[A]

I mean, Barry White's just got a for nagging them. Deal with cvs.

[B]

Yeah, all right. Sorry, sorry. Cvs. I was like, oh, what's she selling over there? Like upset stomach medication, Lesbian tools, period panties. This is the Free Press. The host appears to have been so isolated in his blue sky bubble that he actually believed that Tyler Robinson was a man of the right when all the evidence such just. Just the opposite. Did he really believe that Tyler Robinson was a man of the right? I think he knew he wasn't and he was lying.

[A]

I think he has a team of writers and he doesn't care. He's pretty checked out is the impression I get anyway. And I think Kimmel is someone who's coasted by in his career kind of, you know, ascended to the heights that he has by being like milquetoast. By being like totally kind of like passable, not a great talent. But like fine, get him to host the Oscars, you know, because he's like.

[B]

Hasn'T been me too'd by riding Adam Corolla's coattails.

[A]

Trot him out.

[B]

He should be made to apologize. Donate to Charlie Kirk and Turning Point.

[A]

Turning Point does not need any more.

[B]

Money and they have to bring the man show back. We need chicks. The Whammon show.

[A]

Well, but yeah, I mean I have been a victim of left wing cancel culture. I feel uniquely due to my trying to work in the entertainment industry.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I've had. It's been years of people. I mean some people have stopped working with me. Right. But like literally random people emailing my agents trying to get me dropped. People chimp out. Anytime I'm I work, they get upset. Want me not to work. Want to take opportunities like why are.

[B]

You going out of your way and going through the trouble to like occupy preoccupy yourself with this person for what? So yeah, time out of your busy life. Not to but I feel like I.

[A]

Should be taking more glee kind of in, you know, the tide change. But the truth is I feel like putting the boot on like Jimmy Kimmel's neck doesn't really like take it off of mine.

[B]

No, of course not. It just I feel like black boot on his neck. I think he did something reckless and irresponsible and whether or not he knew whether. Whether he signed off on it or.

[A]

Not, I mean, you know, that's not why.

[B]

They can't though.

[A]

But it doesn't matter if he had.

[B]

Merely made an insensitive joke about Charlie Kirk or his death or the reaction to his death or his politics or anything that would have been fair game. But he lied to and misled the public about the nature of who the shooter was, which is. You can make a credible argument that that can also be inciting of violence. It's a very.

[A]

Come on. No, it's very radicalized by Jimmy Kimmel.

[B]

Of course not. Of course not. But. But leftists and liberals are already like, in a tizzy and. And they. I forgot who said this, but his.

[A]

Ratings are so bad, there's no way.

[B]

He could have been. He could incite anyone to. I see your speech as violence and their violence is speech, as somebody put it. And of course, nobody's getting radicalized by Jimmy Kimmel and like, getting out there, but they already feel like, emboldened to like, menace and threaten people and some of the crazies among them will actually go through with it. So, like, he's literally just fanning the flames of the situation like it is reckless and irresponsible. I really don't think this is a free speech thing.

[A]

No one thought it was a MAGA guy. They were trying to pin it on the gripers.

[B]

Yeah. And like, I don't know. Again, I don't know how to deal with this and I don't have any answers for it, but these people do have to be definitively, decisively defeated if you want to have a positive and productive society in America. I'm not like a delusional MAGA humping zealot. And I recognize that there are many retarded and mentally ill people on the right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And within the administration too. And having like, absolute power is dangerous because what prevents anyone from setting their sights on you and rounding you up and blah, blah, blah, Like, I get that. But like, I don't know, I just feel like enough is enough with like the lib tardation. It's so draining and tedious to deal with these people and their lies and their spin, like Matt Iglesias, Kathy Young, Moira Donegan. I just wish.

[A]

That. I mean, when Trump won, I really, you know, extended a U. You know, I said, doesn't matter if you weren't MAGA before. We can all get on the winning team now. And my hope, and now it is like kind of becoming my disappointment a little bit. Was that post Trump, it's not that we would have like a based right wing culture. It's that like the cultural realm could be, you know, mostly kind of like apolitical, left alone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's its own devices. Yeah. And when Trump appointed Brendan Carr, he talked. His big thing was Deregulation. Yeah, deregulating. Which now I realize is for this merger to take place and not really about like. Yeah, restoring like people's like, empowering people to speak freely.

[B]

Which Freedom association naively was like, yeah, great.

[A]

They're going to let you know we're going to make Cassavetean indie. Indie movies in the new Trump era. There's going to be like a glorious resurgence of like, you know, non partisan creative expression. Because not everything is going to be so like, poisoned and filtered through like the culture war. But it feels like that's only getting worse.

[B]

Well, and the more these, like, nothing better to do.

[A]

The more.

[B]

And everyone's spinning their wheels.

[A]

Yeah. But the more they, like, piss people off. Especially when the fcc, like, wasn't ultimately really responsible, though in a roundabout way they kind of were. But Brendan Carr doesn't need to be out there saying, like, you can do this the easy way or the hard way. Like, he's like a.

[B]

Taking credit for it is unnecessary and they should just be a little bit more discreet and subtle.

[A]

Yeah. I bet they could have canceled Kimmel and no one would. Would have even noticed. Well, yes, like, some people would have been like, oh, Kimmel's not on tonight, honey. And then they'd like, forget.

[B]

Yeah, the Cole. The Colbert cancellation made a bit of a splash. It made some waves, but it wasn't nearly as bad as this.

[A]

Well, he's still on. They like, aren't renewing his contract. Okay, so the Kimmel one is more, you know, it's like definite. Well, it's still. He's preempted indefinitely, but I think we'll be definitely. Yeah, but because, yeah, it was like his show was on and now it's over. It feels more like, like canceled Kimmel and Colbert. That's the thing. I don't think they can like, like.

[B]

Sit in a car and talk.

[A]

Like, I don't think he can.

[B]

He doesn't have like the talent or.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To make.

[A]

To be a podcaster like us.

[B]

Well, he's an amazing person then because he's really made it against all odds. Being like an utter mediocrity.

[A]

Well, that's what I'm. That's served him well is being like kind of standing for nothing, kind of going which way the wind blows. Not being too provocative. Not being too, you know, right. Kind of nice middle mid guy. Sayonara.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Chuck Schumer said Trump and his allies seem to want to shut down speech that they don't like to hear. Mr. Schumer said on CNN, that is not what democracies do. That is what autocracies do. And it doesn't matter whether you agree with Kimmel or not. He has the right to free speech. I'm, as you know, I'm not usually like a fan of the calling your opponent a hypocrite argument because it's very low hanging fruit and it usually doesn't really serve you and isn't that productive. But like, when did the Democrats do this? It really grinds my gears because when they talk about the slide from like democracy to autocracy, like that's projection. Also not a fan of the projection argument because people like wield it like whatever. Sure. But like they are projecting because they were the ones who originally violated the norms of free speech, flouted them, made a mockery of them, and now they want to go and cry about it. I have a hard time like being sympathetic to that. Especially because they did a lot more damage than getting like a rich and famous like late night host fired.

[A]

So much for the tolerant laugh.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Remember when people used to say, I.

[B]

Mean like, it's so horrible. People really got, dude, I jacked up. It sucks.

[A]

I mean like I got disinvited from a genre film festival. My manager yelled at me for calling Jake Flores a.

[B]

That's so innocent.

[A]

You know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've really, I don't complain about it cuz I'm professional.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like you've like lost work.

[A]

And of course a thousand percent. Not that like, I'm not like delusional. I'm not like I would have been.

[B]

A big movie star. Accept your role in it. Like people getting pissed off at us. It's like we've invited that sort of attention by like airing our political opinions.

[A]

Well, back when, you know, I look, I was like, this is my, like when a Kanye had his Adidas deal, you know, when I was like on hbo, had the movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then we were going to talk to Alex Jones, I had all these people being like, don't do this. They were bullying me. And I said to my agent that I just had to because I had principles.

[B]

Yeah. And he said, and you believe in.

[A]

This wisely and Jewishly that principles have consequences.

[B]

He sounds like Kim Kardashian where she's like, just because you have a job and you work hard doesn't mean you're a slave.

[A]

Yeah. But I actually really do relate to Kanye and understand how when you are so creative, being hindered makes you feel you may as well be a slave. If you're not free to wear a MAGA hat, say whatever you want.

[B]

Yeah, it literally makes you feel like a bull in a pen. Like, you feel just, like irritable and suffocated and you want to react and retaliate. Like, it makes sense.

[A]

I mean, I guess some people are more compliant than others, but my whole point of. Yeah, what did I just say? Oh, that principles have consequences.

[B]

Oh, right. Yeah.

[A]

I feel ultimately, even though I am a free speech absolutist, I can't really go to bat for Kimmel because I'm like, this is a consequence of.

[B]

Yeah, it's a consequence.

[A]

You know, if you really hate Trump, if you really think it's worth it to tell 1,128 jokes about Trump, again.

[B]

He'S totally free to, to tell as many jokes as he wants about Trump. Nobody cares about that. Like, they try to make Trump out to be some, like, insecure, thin skinned baby and like, nobody gives a. The point is that he's lying. He did bring up Charlie Gerg Memorial.

[A]

Sure, sure.

[B]

I'm sure he finds this equal parts, like, irritating and entertaining. The thing is, like, everybody who has ever received negative attention is, is obviously secretly flattered by it on some level. And it takes a minute, or initially there. And it takes a minute to realize, like, wait a second. No, this like, sucks. Initially or when you feel, when you're being like, attacked and oppressed, you're like, these people, like, I'm gonna show them. And then, you know, as you get older and wiser and like, mellow with age, you're like, wait a minute. Yeah, this sucks. This is a mutually masturbatory, mutually flattering exercise that we partake in. Like, you know, him getting outraged about the SNL cast and producers not letting him do his thing while they were outraged and incensed by his, like, political display. It's like a little tango that people do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I have, like, as I get older, I have increasingly, like, less and less sympathy for, like, the, the performative nature of it when people, like invite, incite these type of scenarios and then get upset about it.

[A]

It's like, I mean, even, even speaking.

[B]

For myself, I'm like, okay, you dumb. You lodged in an unpopular opinion. What do you expect? You deserve it.

[A]

You gotta lay out the facts for why Derek Chauvin is innocent if you're just gonna be throwing stuff like that out.

[B]

I mean, I don't even mean that. I just mean it's been a litany of other things. I mean, I don't Know, if I think he's wrongfully convicted, the sentence is ways too steep. It was clearly not a racially motivated incident. And as far as the restraint that he used, that was in all MNPD training manuals and they quietly scrubbed it out of them because it was a political trial and they were closing ranks. And his mother and other people have all this information compiled. I forgot what the charge was. It was like second degree, like wrongful or something. Negligence, actually. This journalist who went to the trial texted me, a friend of mine, gay, British, Jonathan. Remember that guy?

[A]

No.

[B]

In Minnesota, the crime is called involuntary murder. It's unfortunately named. And of course, blah, blah, blah, it just became murder on cnn. And in the public understanding, the equivalent crime or statute in New York would be second degree involuntary manslaughter. But he got 23 years, which is insane for that kind of charge. And the whole point, I mean, I think all this rested on the fact that like, there was a feedback loop between the actual court trial and the court of public opinion and the kind of implicit, tacit understanding was that this was a racially motivated incident. A white man racistly took the life of a black man. Like, that's simply not what happened. It didn't.

[A]

I mean, I do get a.

[B]

It's not so much that I care about Derek Chauvin, it's that I care about the principle of the matter.

[A]

I can.

[B]

Yeah, it's like a great abortion of justice. Far worse than Jimmy Kimmel getting placed on like indefinite leave or whatever.

[A]

I mean, that's for sure. I don't think anyone could say that the Kimmel thing's worse.

[B]

Yeah. And I think what really grinds my gear again, but like they had done under the auspices of this movement that was supposed to yield greater racial justice and racial reconciliation, even though there wasn't really a. A race problem in America as such anymore.

[A]

It certainly, yeah, didn't feel that way.

[B]

It was fine until the Jews turned.

[A]

The racism machine on, but now they turn the Charlie Kirk grieving machine on. And I'm getting pretty sick of that, to be honest.

[B]

Yeah, I don't notice back.

[A]

I can't. I can't pretend like I cared that much about Charlie.

[B]

Well, it's kind of also insulting to his memory, right, to, to partake in some kind of like, vulgar and maudlin.

[A]

Spectacle or much like the Holocaust, a bit of a money making machine, it turns out. And that's why you have the. I watched his memorial today. It was like. It was like the Trump rally.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, where it's Hours and hours. It's like so exhausting.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They're bringing up all these random people.

[B]

And it's not the most like or enlightening content.

[A]

Put on the armor of God.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Text this number to get your Charlie Kirk wristband if you give Turning Point USA some money. And talking about him like, like he was Christ.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That he like made the sacrifice for us so that we can be resurrected. Like very, like not even very thin metaphor, just talker doing a forced laugh and yeah.

[B]

That.

[A]

What sucks is that's like they're not even gonna lay him to rest. We're gonna be talking about Charlie Kirk forever for a while.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But RIP again. I know, I'm sorry. I'm being up. It's just, it's, it was. I mean, Trump announced it tomorrow. He's gonna drop the cure for autism. So that's.

[B]

Yeah. I mean. Okay, I understand how to liberals, this does look very like embalmed and Stalinist. It's like, you know, the mausoleum of Len. Maybe that's just a element of all. I mean there's a public morning rituals. There's.

[A]

Or I mean, there was a lot of people there. No.

[B]

I guess.

[A]

And all of that is like true. And I'm just, it's not, I'm not the audience for it.

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

But a lot of people are. Well, it wasn't just a memorial. It was a fundraising thing for Turning Point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like very overtly.

[B]

Well, they need to ticker like the whole thing, the money flowing so they can finally defeat the left through campus debate. So.

[A]

Well, yeah, it's definitely gonna be here. It's here to the Turning Point for sure.

[B]

The task moving forward to me is basically disabling, like handicapping and ultimately crushing the left wing NGO complex and the liberal media and academia institutions. Like that has to be done one way or another. Like that's the, the greatest, most pressing task at hand.

[A]

What feels I can mean Academia, I don't care about, don't care if it crumbles. Really.

[B]

Sure. But there's like other people involved.

[A]

Media. I, you know, I want to work in a like robust and creative, beautiful, big, beautiful entertainment industry. I really want to do want that and I don't think that's going to happen.

[B]

Well, that, that is also a human capital problem because this has been going on for so long now that the people that are entering the media and entertainment sphere are just like dumb, mediocre, lacking in intuition. This probably goes across the board for academia, for medicine. We're facing the same Problems everywhere.

[A]

I mean.

[B]

Great segue for H1B's.

[A]

There's.

[B]

We don't have to get into that either.

[A]

I just want to spur God about the number, like, okay, go off. I mean, I just think if the right. I think people are wrong to feel like they're winning because they're getting something that feels like justice. Huh. Because the truth is, is that it's just not. I think it won't exist. There's 31. There's a 31 decline in the last two years of any like, television content being produced. I think like a 40% decline in like streaming. About the same. And like movies streaming's like basically unprofitable. Television's unprofitable. It's got this total like house of cards vibe. And Kimmel just feels like. Yeah, like a sacrifice, sacrificial symbol or I mean, like a distraction where like these entities will kind of get what they want and right wingers get to feel like they have this like symbolic win.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that's what I was saying.

[A]

But really it's just an unset. But. No, but, but nobody wins in the.

[B]

Long run because actually it's all just.

[A]

An unsustainable business model and it's crumbling.

[B]

Yeah, but we, what we're talking about is like, we've unlocked certain originally avoidable, now inevitable forces with like technology, with. I need to move on social media.

[A]

I need to start a live stream.

[B]

Yeah, there's no, there's no really getting around it. It's not even a moral argument. You can't like rail against it morally anymore. It's kind of a done deal. And these late night hosts like Kimmel and Fallon and Colbert are like dinosaurs in the tar pit of the legacy media. Seth Meyer and things. And because everything operates at a lag, these properties and franchises still have a ton of money to throw around and they're kind of like desperately trying to like salvage certain parts while scrapping other parts and so on and so forth. But yeah, it's. It's like sustainably unsustainable and I don't know what will happen. Also, like, you know, just like you think about like human capital yet again, like, people just like don't have the attention span to sit through a TV show anymore. So of course they watch like, I mean, streaming.

[A]

We had a golden age of television.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, maybe Barry Weiss will do some good stuff over at cbs. Abc.

[B]

J E W.

[A]

More like J E.

[B]

W.

[A]

No, I mean, the Jews did a good job.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

In Hollywood.

[B]

Oh, and yeah, and I love that the clip in the Kanye documentary where Chris Cuomo was like, okay, sure, yay. 50 of executives in Hollywood are Jewish, but that doesn't mean they're like a cabal or a mafia or they're acting in unison.

[A]

Another thing, I mean, yeah, we didn't really talk about the doc. We got a little sidetracked.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But what I found very lacking was. Yeah. It made it seem like his anti Semitism was kind of came out of nowhere.

[B]

Yeah. That it was like a. A temporary detour, like a random flop.

[A]

Like, what happened that made him so anti Semitic. But it was a great. When he's like, adidas, can't drop me. I could say something anti Semitic. And then they dropped him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Narrator. Oh, what about when he's talking to Kim and she says, you're going to wake up alone one day and have lost everything.

[B]

Oh, and he said, don't put that into the universe. I love that. I so agree with that.

[A]

I mean, I agree as well. But I think Armenian witch.

[B]

She. She has. She. Well, she put it into the universe. He's right.

[A]

He knew that she was really powerful or not even.

[B]

But he. He's correct that you should never, ever, ever vocalize, give air time to certain, like, catastrophic, catastrophic frightening scenarios, because they will come true. Like, you do have to believe in the power of positive thinking. And both Kim and Kanye are superstitious people. And I think she, you know, she was doing it out of, like, frustration, out of exasperation because she wanted to, like, in her mind, she wanted to help him out of a sense of concern for him, but also for herself and her family. But. But really, she was long housing him.

[A]

Demasculated, as he says over and over. When he's. I think it's after he's yelling at Kris Jenner for institutionalizing him.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

He talks about how they demasculating him.

[B]

That. Yeah, it. There's a lot of moments of, like, him trying to longhouse him when she's like.

[A]

It's like a bad dream.

[B]

You're losing everyone around you and when she's like crying at opportune moments. And by the way, I do sympathize with her position because, you know, she's trying to protect her kids. She's trying to protect her marriage, she's trying to protect her business empire.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But she married Kanye West.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is his personality. Being bipolar is who he is. He has to be.

[B]

Well, again, it's like when you say not you Personally. But when one says something controversial and inflammatory, you are inviting negative attention and selective misreadings, of course. And when you marry a guy like Kanye, you are inviting a life of chaos and drama because he is a mentally unstable person, as he himself would admit. And, you know, yet they ended up having four kids together, which is both beautiful and frightening. And, you know, it comes out that what finally made her file for divorce was him going on some, like, biblical rant about how they almost divorted North. And that was the law, the last straw for her because, well, he kind.

[A]

Of spoke it, too. He said, even if she divorces me, she'll always be the one. I wanted to have an abortion. And she's the reason Northie is alive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then that's when she divorced him.

[B]

Well, because it's a. A horrible betrayal of your family secrets that you should never divulge to the public. But at the same time, he does make a profound and insightful point. And so I. I really sympathize with the both of them, actually. Like, I see it both ways. People are trying to say, like, Kim's a cold and emotionless Armenian witch, or when they're trying to say, like, oh, Kanye's like, a schizoid black vagrant or whatever. They're actually both right and both wrong.

[A]

I know. They were such a good couple.

[B]

And he is also truly, by the way, a raving vagrant on the subway. And the only thing that separates him from those people is his net worth. No. Yes.

[A]

He's like.

[B]

He's on some. He's like. He's, like, schizotypal and bipolar in that same way, which is, like, formidable. And, I mean, it is a compliment. Well, he's angry because I envy their freedom.

[A]

He's angry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, I mean, I. He is a genius.

[B]

He is. Well, that's the other thing that you cannot deny about Kanye. I really hate when, like, right wingers try to be like, oh, he's like, a retarded and low iq. Boop. There's no way he's low iq, Period. There's no way.

[A]

I mean, I wouldn't even. IQ can't even measure, like, what level Kanye's on. He's just.

[B]

He's a very good lyricist. He's a very good producer. He's a very good fashion designer, and, like, pardon me for using this gay and insufferable and pretentious term, but he's like an ensemble air. Like, it all has to work together. Like, he has, like, a. A totalizing vision.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's a creative.

[A]

He's a creative director and he's.

[B]

He's.

[A]

Yeah. Unwell, mega maniacal, all that stuff. But it's all excusable because of what he's produced, what he's done.

[B]

Yes. His visual sense, his sense of proportion, his sense of color. No one has that.

[A]

I mean, even putting on the mag, like, even understanding. Like the maga hat he's on the leaves, like as the balaclava, the weird.

[B]

Tinfoil outfit, the White Lives Matter shirt. Like every decision is. And I like how he says in that White Lives Matter moment where he and Candy are like at a, like they were like at a Givenchy show or something. And he's. He said actually in this very cute way, like, oh. Like I, I actually was surprised that anybody cared about that because I thought that whole movement and the reaction and the reaction to the reaction was already past us and I was out of date. Like, he had no idea.

[A]

And then when he's talking on the phone and going, I was just kidding.

[B]

We all know white lives don't matter.

[A]

He's so funny.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he's so. But. Oh, yeah. Or what I was trying to say earlier was when Michael Che comes into his dressing room and is like a.

[B]

Code switches and tries to sound black because, you know, he doesn't sound like that in real life because he's like a Nigerian, like Amherst. Anyway, but go on. Yeah.

[A]

It made me want to cry. It made me feel so bad for some reason because it's. Kanye is just like, I do think he does. He is. Even though he gets extremely dark sided and scary.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He is kind of like he has this innocence where he is just like he's trying to do something. He's trying to tell you something. He understands something. He's trying to communicate.

[B]

It's.

[A]

And people are like misunderstanding him, mad at him. And you can tell it like hurts him that Michael Che is upset.

[B]

You can tell that. Yeah. And like, I actually sympathize with Michael Che in that moment because he was.

[A]

Also like, he's like, this is my job. Yeah. When he said I work here.

[B]

But like, but Michael Che is, is like a normal, average person. So he's personalizing the interaction.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

And Kanye is a person who, who does not personalize things like that and is not a grudge holder in that way. Though he does take things very personally and hold grudges when it comes to him. But when he's like lashing out, like into the ether, he is trying to make Some. Yeah, like, bigger, more profound point. And I think he gets, like, really upset when people don't understand. He just like me for real. I'm like, don't you guys see I'm trying to help you? Like, he means well and you can hear it. Like, I was thinking about voice physiognomy a lot, because you can hear in his voice that he is a shy and thoughtful and somewhat nerdy person, much like you can hear in Charlie Kirk's voice that he's kind of like a goof and a doofus and also like, a pretty nice guy. You contrast that with somebody like Ilhan Omar. She has this, like, harsh growl and, like, righteous anger, and you can tell that she's like a cruel, calculating bad person who's only in it for herself and her, you know, family, her special interest group, whatever. But you can. Again, like, I'll die in the cell. You can tell by somebody's voice alone whether or not they're a good person. Not that anybody's totally ever a good person, but more good than bad.

[A]

I mean, a lot of women have a really annoying voice, as that's true.

[B]

But that's. That's like, neither here nor there. It's like, women will have annoying voices and there may be, like, neurotic and amoral, but you can't exactly call them bad people. Most women are fully capable of being, like, loyal wives and good mothers and good friends. It's just that they mostly, for the most part, lack a moral vision outside of themselves. And even the smart and good ones make decisions based on what's good for them and their families.

[A]

I. I mean, not if they're Christian.

[B]

Yeah, well, then they. They're literally Christian lineage.

[A]

They literally have a moral. You know, they have a prescriptive kind of.

[B]

Not going to say what?

[A]

Say it.

[B]

What?

[A]

Say what?

[B]

I'm not going to say Erica Kirk. Oh, yeah.

[A]

I mean, she actually has kind of a nice voice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She'S a little hot on the mic. She did a lot of voiceovers during the Kirk memorial that were a little like.

[B]

Yeah, she's really, like, really?

[A]

But whatever. Her. You know, she's the CEO. She can make decisions like that. But she has a pretty nice voice.

[B]

She does. Yeah. She's kind of sexy when she cries. No, you can. What I'm saying is that you can just tell that Kanye's like. Even though he might be a shabby and shitty person at times, he is not, at core, constitutionally a bad person.

[A]

I mean, he's definitely done some really.

[B]

Bad like crazy, insane things.

[A]

And he's definitely like, you know, driven by dark things, let's say.

[B]

Yes, There's a great Grateful dad lyric, ain't nobody messing with you but you. And a lot of his problems are, like, self inflicted. He's his own worst enemy, just like off the dome. He has a fragile ego and no emotional control, so he'll like, flip on a dime. Gemini. But the upside of that is that he's very talented at making polite and pretentious white liberals uncomfortable. And they deserve it.

[A]

Well, that's why they got him addicted to nitrous and destroyed him and now, you know, made him act more crazy. Made him. You know, it sucks because you corner someone like that and then they just. They can't comply, even to their own detriment.

[B]

He's like a bull being cornered by a matador or like an elephant being cornered by poachers.

[A]

Did you hear the Dave Blunt's diss track?

[B]

Yeah, it sucked. It was whack. What the is wrong with that guy? He's so gay.

[A]

What?

[B]

I know you love Dave Blunts, but, like, what. It was so. He's. It was so gay. He wasn't like.

[A]

There's a lot of stuff wrong with him.

[B]

It's like. It's like the Kendrick Lamar, Drake diss track where it's like they're about talking. Talking about like mental health and being like super gay and in their own head.

[A]

Well, yeah, Dave Blunt is emotional.

[B]

I was listening to it and I was like, damn, this is like. If I made a song, it's like some that you sing in the shower when you're high and you think it's like really good and hits. And you're like, what the. Like, like afterward, you're like, oh, this is just like Tumblr, Tick tock, goblety gook.

[A]

Anna, please.

[B]

But it's like.

[A]

No, I agree. I don't. I thought. I thought it was lazy.

[B]

They're just like. It's like stream of consciousness mumbling about my mental illness.

[A]

I thought, I'm not your cousin. You can't taught me. He was pretty cool ever. But it was mean spirited, much like his other diss tracks.

[B]

And I think so he must feel uncomfortable at all times, which leads him to lash out.

[A]

I mean, there's a reason Kanye sought him out as a collaborator.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think Dave Blunt is really talented, and I think Kanye doesn't always treat his collaborators very well.

[B]

Sure. But what seems very motivated.

[A]

We don't know exactly, but probably Kanye made him feel like Discarded. Or like what I have heard happening with people Kanye works with. Is he like, because he's bipolar, he like love bombs them, gases them up and then kind of like abandons them or flips on them or starts to become suspicious of them or who knows? I don't know what happened with him in Day Beyond.

[B]

That's not true either. That's like a convenient narrative people who quote, suffer from mental illness like to trot out. The fact of the matter is like that person loses utility in your mind and you're bored by them and so you have to discard them. And like I had two like insights that I came away from this documentary with, which is like number one, like fame is so like diluting and destabilizing. Like that standoff between. I mean, none of these are like that brilliant. They're pretty obvious, but just it takes you so far from reality. It's like a, it really, truly is like a Bruce Wagner novel. But like that standoff between Chris and Kanye where he's like chimping out at her and she's like, we care about you and we love you. When like the proper reaction would be like, get the out of my home. And she's like completely uncomfortable, like airing her resentment. And he's like grabbing his luggage and storming off and she's totally surrounded by like random NAACPs, Negroes, which is so bizarre. That sounds really racist. People are gonna scream at me. But like, hear me out. These rich LA people live in a very multicultural society. Nothing about that is surprising or off putting. Like, they grew up with O. Simpson, Their kids grew up with Kobe Bryant's kids. That's totally normal. Ray J. Par for the course. But like, why, why are you as like a 70 year old woman only hanging out with middle aged black men? That's so weird.

[A]

She's.

[B]

It's so weird. I mean, I mean there's nothing wrong with hanging out in like mixed racial company. I'm a libtard in this way. But like, why are you surrounded by black guys? Like, it's a gang bang. That's so weird.

[A]

I mean, am I crazy? Well, Chris has. She is the kind of matriarch of the long house.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Look at Bruce, Caitlyn, look at, you know, yeah. Lamar. Like they do bring men to ruin just through proximity with their, like.

[B]

Yeah. Corey Gamble is trying to be like a diplomatic. And like Rob.

[A]

No one's seen Rob for years.

[B]

No, I know he did.

[A]

Chloe did like a podcast with him where she called him on the phone.

[B]

He's Morbidly obese.

[A]

But that's.

[B]

That's crazy to me that she's just, like. Her entourage is just, like, random black guys. It's so weird. Maybe they were. They're, like, Corey's friends or Kanye's security or something. It just. Anyway, there's always, like, people around. Yeah. Like. Yeah. Random scenes. And then, like, the second thing is, like, mental illness is fake. I'm sure that there are some, like, emotional and hormonal.

[A]

The stigma of mental health issues at play.

[B]

But basically what a lot of mental illness amounts to is that you don't have anybody saying no to you. Somebody needs to. It's actually a good thing that nobody says no to Kanye because he's able to.

[A]

Like, he really.

[B]

He. No, but I don't mean. I don't mean, like, corporations, like, dropping and debanking him. I mean, like, somebody just sitting him down and being like, shut the up. You need to grow up, and you need to, like, honor your privacy and your family and control yourself emotionally in a nice and delicate way.

[A]

But this is his personality, and the medication changes his personality, and he doesn't need to be on it because he has more important things to do than being mentally. Great.

[B]

I get it. But he's now brought four kids into this earth, and, like, he owes them an obligation and responsibility.

[A]

They don't let him. They won't let him see him. I think he's gonna keep doing him because he's kind of got nothing to lose, but I'd love to see it. And, I mean, Candace Owens does come off as pretty manipulative.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

She fully, like, seems like she's, like, preying on him and is somehow.

[B]

But in, like, a really transparent and recorded way. Like, she weaseled her way in, like, whiteboarding.

[A]

I'm black.

[B]

The lie of systemic racism. While, like, Charlie Kirk looks on and, like, nods along. Yeah.

[A]

And she's like, no, you gotta tell them. Slavery is a choice.

[B]

I love when he says mental health is a health issue. It just so happens that it's in your brain.

[A]

I mean, being bipolar is real.

[B]

No, I know. Of course. I get it. I'm being a little bit dramatic and editorializing.

[A]

When you are bipolar, A lot of people who are exceptional, even brilliant, are also bipolar.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, could be diagnosed with whatever you want to call it. They have. Yeah. Like, erratic highs and lows, manic swings, you know, which allow them to be very productive. But, yeah, they're very, like, emotionally unregulated. But if they're.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, able to Apply their talents to become successful, then. Yeah. Nobody says no to them. They just surround. But the original. The mental health problem. Mental health Stigma is on your brain, Anna.

[B]

No, it is. But when.

[A]

But it makes you good and bad.

[B]

That's. Yeah.

[A]

But I hate being bipolar. It's awesome.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was a great album, too.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

He's been so. He's so good.

[B]

He is so good. He's so funny and so smart. He just.

[A]

He's a genius.

[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

I think people like the Gaultier documentary. He also, like. He was working so hard. Of course it's gonna, like, spill out.

[B]

Wait. Cold call to. No. What's his name? The anti Semitic Ram one. Wait, that's not Goldie. That's.

[A]

Oh, my God, I'm so stupid.

[B]

Is it.

[A]

Is it not.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

Anti.

[A]

Hold on.

[B]

Anti Semitic?

[A]

Yes, of course.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's who I met. But in that doc. Yeah. He talks about how he has to.

[B]

Take pills to wake up, pills to go to sleep.

[A]

He's completely like. He has to be creative.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or, well, okay, go nuts.

[B]

But Kanye west is a.

[A]

And you go nuts.

[B]

Anyway, it's a black Gemini, which means he's just ordinarily more schizotypal than most people.

[A]

Neurodivergent.

[B]

Yeah. But specifically schizotypal, which is, like, why he's so talented. And it's like. Yeah. Like, white people suffer from depression and anxiety, and black people suffer from bipolar and schizophrenia.

[A]

From smoking weed.

[B]

Not even. Not even, like, often. Like, you know when he goes back home to Chicago and there's that, like, crazy lady. Yeah. She sees his mom through the window when he cross the street through her. And you expect him to be, like, peeved, but he takes her, like, on a tour of the house and gives her a big hug.

[A]

It was beautiful.

[B]

Yeah. And she's, like, clearly, like, crazy.

[A]

Yeah. But no, he. When she comes up. I can't lie to you. He's like. Tell me. He, like, they're, like, completely, like, locked in.

[B]

You think that he's humoring her initially, but he's not. He's vibing.

[A]

He's like, yes, tell me.

[B]

And, like, one thing that. I've said this before, but one thing that I really do love about Kanye is that he is, like, a hothead and a tyrant, but he's not a snob, which seems like a poor characterization because he's so, like, particular about, like, fashion and music and, like, architecture and whatever, but he'll talk to anybody. He does not care if you're rich. If you're famous. If you're, like, clouded up. Like, if you're around and you're interesting, he will talk to you, which is cool. I mean, he will talk to you for, like, two and a half minutes, and then he loses interest and walks away. But as you know, many friends and friends of friends have reported.

[A]

I'd love to. I'd love to talk to him, honestly.

[B]

No, Kanye, you don't understand. Assume the Kim Kardashian voice like, you fucking.

[A]

And I'm grateful to them. You're not a slave.

[B]

You don't understand. Derek Chauvin is innocent. He was wrongfully convicted of the murder of George Floyd. I think he would actually be amenable to my.

[A]

He loves getting people out of jail.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or he did. That was something Kim does, too.

[B]

But she loves getting, like, actual, like, violent criminal repeated.

[A]

What's that guy's name? Larry Hoover.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

He's on Vulture or on Donda. There's a song with, like, a long. What's it called? Extro. Yeah. Of his, like, son calling in about how his dad's in jail but should be free. He talks about opening up the jails and God's gonna pay her bail. It's awesome.

[B]

I love. Also, like, it's so ironic how he's always ranting about, like, Jewish mind control, like, mental conditioning, when the documentary itself is so tame overall.

[A]

Well, again, a lot is on the cutting. More.

[B]

And it's also very ironic how he's. He loves to rant about slavery when he basically also just, like, holds white people hostage all the time in that architecture office where he's like. Like, when was the last time any of you felt a feeling which was very well done and very well taken, because those people don't feel anything. They.

[A]

They're like, saying they're Scandinavian and architects are.

[B]

No, they're worse. They're Swiss.

[A]

Yeah. Then they're completely checked. I would say the same thing.

[B]

And he's. And that was a very interesting scene because he's basically, like, insulting and berating them, and they're just, like, eating it up and sitting there with, like, shitty.

[A]

Trying to understand. Understand how you feel.

[B]

You have to understand that we are formalizing the forms. And he's like, no, shut the up.

[A]

He's like, how come a building can't look like this when the phone look like this? They're like.

[B]

And then the guy takes him to dinner. And I noticed. The first thing I noticed about that guy, or the last thing was that he was wearing a kind of like a normal, like, classy navy blue blazer and like, a super gay, like, beanie that looked like the tip of a condom.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like, oh, you're a pretentious and weak. And he's right about you.

[A]

Architects are awful.

[B]

Yeah, they're all horrible people.

[A]

They're. I didn't know.

[B]

I know. I studied architecture. I know these people. They're the worst.

[A]

You don't hate architects enough. People really need to know about.

[B]

And they don't even build anything.

[A]

Exactly, Exactly.

[B]

They don't, do they. They curate, like, rooms and museums and, like, put up a storefront occasionally, but they've never built anything.

[A]

I mean, they make super skinny skyscrapers next to my apartment, but then on Instagram, they tell you it's not their fault and that the contractor is who I should be harassing and block me. Oh, God bless Kanye West.

[B]

He should.

[A]

Well, yeah. Well, do you remember when he was. I mean, he does this routinely, but when he posted the text from Harley Pasternak where he was like, you better cool it or you're not even gonna, like, remember who your kids are because we're gonna send you back to Zombieland, like, explicitly threatening him to, like.

[B]

Those were just like, minds of Barry Wise.

[A]

That.

[B]

So familiar. So Harley Past is a Jewish personal trainer.

[A]

I mean, it's very, like. It's like, designed to make you sound crazy to talk about, but yeah, he's like. Tons of, like, celebrities hire him.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Even though obviously you would want a black personal trainer.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Obviously. But for some reason, they all hire this Jewish guy, and that's even.

[B]

I'm gonna Google. I don't even know what he looks like.

[A]

I mean, he's, like, fit. He's like. Yeah. But, yeah, people fall prey to these, like, lifestyle fitness coaches. And I believe that Kanye was a victim of. Of Pastor Knacks.

[B]

He looks evil and horrible.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, totally.

[A]

I think he got him hooked on the night dress.

[B]

Who's his girlfriend? Oh, that's Ellen Page before he. She transitioned. Never mind.

[A]

Oh, she's super pretty.

[B]

Oh, he's got that, like, Stephen Miller, like, Norwood vibe. He's like, dark Stephen Miller.

[A]

Yeah, no, no. Yeah, none of that.

[B]

I don't. I don't like to see an overly ripped Jew. That's not, like, a natural state for them. They should be skinny fat, or just regular fat.

[A]

They need to maintain.

[B]

It doesn't suit them to be ripped. No. Harmonious Adam Lehrer. He can get away with it.

[A]

It's. I mean, I don't really. I don't like when anyone's really too rip, to be honest. It's just not my. My preference. But it definitely something especially about a Jewish guy. I mean, Eli Roth does it well.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. How ripped is he, though?

[A]

I mean, at some.

[B]

He like, is.

[A]

At one point he was voted like, the most fear fit director by, like, Men's Health magazine.

[B]

The most ripped Jew in Hollywood.

[A]

Like, with the bear Jew. You know, he. He looks hot in that movie. And he's got a nice physique.

[B]

The most jacked kike.

[A]

Goes too.

[B]

Harvey Len, also creepy as the TMZ guy.

[A]

Yeah, he kind of looks.

[B]

Yeah, well, they all have that, like, saccharine smile.

[A]

Well, that scene where. Yeah, he's filming him for tmz. Yeah, it's him and like two other like, elders of Zion as looking guys, like, surrounding him and exploiting him. Like, the doc doesn't like, outright really say it. Yeah, Well, I remember, yeah, when he first had his, like, I guess it must have been 20. Late 20. 19. 20. 20. I guess maybe 20, 21. He was still after he went on Alex Jones and was talking about saying he loves Hitler and stuff. Yeah, I don't remember which anti Semitic outburst it was, but my manager at the time and I had lunch and I was like, you know, kind of like, don't you see how, you know, Kanye, as a black man musician is very beholden to these. These like, you know, handlers. And he was really. And I'm not gonna say what race this manager was. It was a Jewish manager. But he was like, he's perpetuating harmful stereotypes about how Jews control everything. And I was like, but Jews do control.

[B]

That's like Chris Cuomo being like, oh, just because they. They own the controlling share of the industry doesn't mean it's like a mafia or a cabal. And they're voting in in terms of like, some ethnic block or ethnic interests.

[A]

They're not. Because they are kind of divided in there.

[B]

Yes. Okay. There's right wing Jews and left wing Jews.

[A]

Yeah, they're not a unified body, but they are more powerful than other people. And if you're someone like Kanye who is just beholden to these forces, obviously it seems to him that they are, like, you know, superhumanly powerful.

[B]

Well, this is a question I have for the free speech absolutists at the Free Press.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

What would have happened if Jimmy Kimmel had said something anti Israel and pro Palestine?

[A]

Well, no, that's never gonna happen.

[B]

But what would have happened. What would your opinion have changed then? Just curious. This super hypothetical situation that's never going to come to pass. But.

[A]

Well, that's. Yeah, that's what really. I was like, barry doesn't have any skin in the game.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She can be kind of this, like, centrist, except when it comes to Israel, because that's her bottom line.

[B]

Yes. Her cause.

[A]

So she doesn't really care if the left or the right or who. Who runs the fcc. What ideology like is. Is currently the censorious wars on media because no one's gonna say anything about Israel ever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Except on Tick Tock, which now a Jewish guy is also going to own. So. Yes, probably that too.

[B]

But yeah, I don't really care about Israel, Palestine. But, like, my question is, like, are your principles, like, consistent across the board? No, they're not. Come on now.

[A]

But yeah, Kanye, don't you think for Glenn.

[B]

For Glenn? Well, he's. Glenn is anti Israel, anti Zionist. So.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm Hypothetically, I don't think there's anything anyone could be censored for that. Glenn would. He is like a. Yeah. Aclu.

[B]

He's like, by far the most consistent principled one. But he is a leftist at the end of the day. Like that. You have to keep that in mind. So he's.

[A]

He's past principles.

[B]

Yeah. He applies them. He holds them consistently. Yes, but he's like, the only one. There's not that many. Otherwise. Kanye has like a. Because he is an artistic genius. And I'm like, whatever. I don't. I like, hate using that word too.

[A]

I mean, he just is.

[B]

He just says, yeah, it's like porn. You know, when you see. See it, you can feel it. Like, you don't have to, like, quibble about it. He really has a sixth sense for, like, what the last remaining taboos are and how to, you know, blow them up. And the reason he even got on the Heil Hitler stuff is obviously not because he has any, like, attachment to, like, Adolf Hitler and National Socialism. He doesn't give a. About that. But because he doesn't like, he's going.

[A]

Death con three on the Jew.

[B]

Well, he doesn't like the. The social and psychological conditioning.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's oppressive and stifling to him.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Yeah. He doesn't standard the hypocrisy and he knows it's like, the way to, like, really piss people off.

[A]

And I think, yeah, there's like, the.

[B]

Symbolic avatar of everything that is evil and satanic in the world and in.

[A]

Its earlier iteration yeah. Like the MAGA hat and Trump. It's not that he was like a Republican in any meaningful way. It was just.

[B]

Yeah. Much like Trump. He wasn't really a Republican meaningful way.

[A]

He wasn't allowed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So he had to do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because otherwise he would be enslaved.

[B]

I do think that he like does like like and sympathize with Trump. Oh just as an individual. But I don't think it's like a. Yeah. It's not a political crusade for him.

[A]

Yeah. He wouldn't be like if it was J.D. vance. I don't think he would be as like animated and supportive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He would be like this white boy's crazy. This is my hillbilly elegy right here. No, he like wouldn't understand. But you can understand someone like Trump who is also a genius fellow gem. Yeah.

[B]

Much like Morrissey who had a credible threat on his life and had to cancel some shows.

[A]

I went on Blue Sky.

[B]

How was that?

[A]

I was just name searching to see if anyone had been threatening me and someone made an Adam Friedland parody account. I assume that posts yeah. Death threats about me regularly. But besides that looked you up to. Coast is clear. We don't have to cancel the tour. But I think he did end up perform. Performing. He's awesome.

[B]

Wouldn't he like to be assassinated?

[A]

You would love that. Islamophobia confirmed.

[B]

Some nice and helpful person was like just. Just because Anna recognizes that Ilhan Omar wears a hijab performatively doesn't mean she hates Islam. I was like well no, both things are true. I can recognize Ilhan Omar is larping and doing Islamic race play but I don't really love Islam that much. I don't really hate anything but Islam. Not my fave. I'll put that out there. Sorry Muslims. I love some of you individually but yeah, I mean not my favorite religion as far as religions go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Pretty Christianity is kind of at the top. Right.

[A]

It's sort of the best one. It makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I some like when Maddie and Betsy and I went to London to show scary. We were hanging out with some like British zoomers. So there was a Muslim there obviously.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he was really sweet. He actually yeah. Was super nice but he was saying how he thought Christianity was for losers.

[B]

What?

[A]

Because it's obviously because you know because Islam is.

[B]

Christians aren't living 13 to home and fucking they cousin. What are you talking in some Christian communities I guess but it's not like a wide for a normalized thing.

[A]

Well he said if you Were going to be a religion. You should be either the oldest one.

[B]

Judaism. Okay.

[A]

Which erroneous okay already. Cuz it's not like they're practicing the Judaism that they practiced before Jesus. It's not old temple Judaism. It's a new thing. And then he was.

[B]

So you either.

[A]

You should either be that one or like the newest one which is Islam.

[B]

I get that's cute that he.

[A]

Yeah it is.

[B]

That's very cute.

[A]

Abrahamic religion or something.

[B]

I like that. He brought us a cheeky secular interpretation to.

[A]

I mean he obviously was not a practicing.

[B]

He's like hanging out some New York like E Girl whores like a movie premiere. Please. He's like excited to be around pussy.

[A]

Not even. He was. He seemed. He was very restrained in an admirable way. I thought his friends were kind of his mates.

[B]

Were his mates the blokes.

[A]

But yeah, I don't, I mean obviously I don't with. But I've never read the Quran or anything.

[B]

It doesn't even matter. It's like obvious like obviously if I don't. I don't understand Christian or you come from a Christian heritage. Like why wouldn't you be like skeptical of Islam and Judaism? I said that weird Judaism. Like why wouldn't that be a normal reaction?

[A]

Of course. But you aren't Christian and don't like Islam either.

[B]

Well I'm mostly technically like I guess my heritage would be mostly Christian Orthodox just you know, a secular post Soviet person. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But you think you, you still have Judeo Christian values.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which are different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fundamentally from Islamic values.

[B]

Are they? That's a good question actually. Well in our considering in our global Abrahamic religions. Yeah.

[A]

I mean there's some similarities but I don't know. I don't think Islams are huge on mercy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe not like who they think Muhammad absolved them of sins or. I mean. Yeah, I don't, I don't.

[B]

I actually don't know about their like I don't know what they've actually physiognomy or whatever.

[A]

Maybe I'll go on Wikipedia later research Islam.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Maybe I'll radical radicalize myself. Well I know they don't allow gambling which seems stupid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because shouldn't it be up to God if you win or lose?

[B]

I know that they you know will allow up to four wives which seems cool and hot at first but I.

[A]

Have to be at least years old.

[B]

Yeah but it seems retarded. It's like why would you want 4 women long housing you?

[A]

Well I mean they really talk about patriarchy.

[B]

They think they're a patriarchy, but at the end of the day, four wives, they outnumber you. It's like the Kardashians. They'll ruin your life.

[A]

No, they don't even see them because they're too busy doing bacha box. The wives, they don't even take their burka off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They got the adolescent boy harem.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Yeah, I think. Yeah, that's. I mean, that's real patriarchy is when you can't drive a car, not because you don't want to, because they won't let you.

[B]

You know how sometimes like nice American couples will try to adopt, like an orphan from like Ukraine or Belarus, and it's like a 27 year old scammer who's like, medically, sure, I'm gonna go to Afghanistan and pretend to be a 17 year old boy.

[A]

To have anal sex.

[B]

Anal sex with elderly men.

[A]

It's just crazy enough to work Kandahar. Hannah, this plan you patched up is so intriguing.

[B]

I'm gonna be like, Lord Miles.

[A]

Oh, no. Yeah, I don't want to go over there. I had a layover and cut her. Didn't love it. Didn't even. You know the Arab airplane, Very nice. Obviously they've got luxury nailed down, but it's not for me.

[B]

No, it's too different.

[A]

It's scary. Sorry. It's not my. What do you find more abhorrent, Islam or Hinduism?

[B]

Oh, God. That's a good question. Probably Islam.

[A]

Being Hindu seems more.

[B]

Even though I like. I like. Well, Muslims are like more varied and I. I like certain Muslim groups a lot. Like the Levantine peoples are generally like, pretty chill and attractive. You know, the best people are in the Middle East. It's like Christian Arabs, they're so chill.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

And that's why, literally they're like such a minority, because they just keep getting eradicated.

[A]

Yeah. Melkites.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Coptics are cool. Egyptian, like Coptic Orthodox Christians. Let me see if I have any other.

[B]

You think being Hindu is worse than.

[A]

Being Muslim heart and worse? I don't know, but more like, like why I'm like, huh, that you think that, like polytheistic, like, that's.

[B]

You think what is Hinduism? They think there's lots of gods.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they believe in reincarnation.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they think cows are sacred.

[A]

Huh.

[B]

That seems fine. It's like, seem. And they're vegetarian. Not really. Sometimes.

[A]

I don't know. I just. Every time I see like some Hindu God, I'm like, that is messed up. That is none of my business. Not our fighters.

[B]

She has, like, really big titties and it's like holding a bunch of severed guys. Heads.

[A]

It just seems. Yeah, maybe it's not. It's my comfort level.

[B]

What did Ann Coulter say?

[A]

It was like a while back when I forget who it was. And was Nikki Haley the other one that was kind of Hindu? It was like the. Her and Vivian Vivek, where I guess it was. Maybe they were doing a primary debate.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It was a while ago. And she said Vivek and Haley, she said there's just some Hindu business. It's not. It's not our fight.

[B]

I mean. Okay. Like, I must say, I think, like, being Hindu is incidental to being Indian. Mm. That's kind of the real problem.

[A]

Yeah. It's unclear how, like, devout, you know, Indians are.

[B]

They don't seem like religious zealots.

[A]

No. But I don't think, I guess Hinduism.

[B]

Hindatva in India, which. But that seems like a.

[A]

More of a national nationalist ethnic movement. Yeah. Yeah. That's who doxxed me calling me on the phone was the Hindu nationalists. And they definitely didn't seem like they feared God. Gods, whatever. Yeah. It just seems more like erroneous on its face than the Abrahamic religions.

[B]

So what are they? Like, they can't say oh, my God, because they're polytheistic. So they're like, oh, my Gods.

[A]

Oh, my Bobs. They say, oh, my Bobs.

[B]

And Virginia, Donald Trump just revoked my H1B visa. Oh, my Gods.

[A]

Right. So what's happening with the H1B's? Trump's.

[B]

He issued a.

[A]

It wasn't even an order. It was like a maybe kind of nothing.

[B]

Yeah. Is that. How is that. Actually, I'm like, I. I buy this. Like, I eat the off, like, hook line and sacred. Ooh, the H1B is repealed.

[A]

No. Yeah. I'm like, on Adderall, like, being like, how does the FCC actually work again? I'm like, what people aren't understanding is that Nextar is going to merge with Tegla and then that's going to be bad news.

[B]

Yeah. Was it an executive order? No, there was some kind of unclear legislation. I don't know. We're too retarded. But. Okay, there's some. Should we Google this?

[A]

You're not gonna get an answer. That's the thing. There's so much misinformation out there. You'll just get in the weeds.

[B]

I think they're.

[A]

They're doing the free press Say anything. That's where I get all my news from. I only read the Free Press.

[B]

Okay, so the H1B will carry a 100k annual fee. Now, it will raise the base salary from 60k to 150k. It ends the lottery system, which is flooded with fraudulent applicants. But is it who often? Or is this dozens of duplicate applications? The sponsor absorbs the annual fee, which makes it unsustainable for firms to apply for it. Unless you're talking about really high wage, high productivity, someone's really worth it jobs. I've also heard people say that any H1BS who are currently not in the country can't come back or will be subject to the annual fee. But I don't think that's true. But is.

[A]

Is this even happening? That's what I want to know.

[B]

I mean, I think they're moving to make it happen, right? I don't know if it will.

[A]

It wasn't in the big beautiful bill.

[B]

No. I think it's like a new thing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But.

[A]

But it's hard to make things happen. That's. That's. That was why he did the big beautiful bill, was so that he could make things. You know, some things happen.

[B]

What happens If I Google H1B? Trump just, like, went to my Russian keyboard. I can't read because I'm retarded. H1B Trump news. I've only been going. New visa fee. It's an order. Yeah. Surprise order from the Trump administration that is imposing a new $100,000 fee on some visas. Set off a day of frantic travel as workers, companies, and foreign governments scramble to respond to Washington's latest immigration crackdown. So I guess it's an order. And it's in effect, which is cool. India will be hardest hit. 74% of H1Bs go to them. China is like, a distant second. There was this tech guy called Hani Gurgis who sounds like a Christian Arab, tweeting about how you would expect them to crush global programming contests. But they're actually ranked 60. Not top 10, not top 50, but 60. 60 in something called the International Collegiate Programming Contest. ICPC, which is a highly prestigious programming competition for college students. Russia and Japan are number one and two, and then three Chinese colleges are number three through five. So basically, Indians suck at coding and it's fake news. They're just, like, cheap profile enough to do whatever.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know what the coding needs to be done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Once they get the website up, they're.

[B]

Not, like, genius maverick programmers.

[A]

No.

[B]

I don't think they're just grunts.

[A]

Right. I mean there's probably some like with chess or the spelling bee, you know, they've like. But yeah, 70, that's 74. That's a lot. Well, that's a positive development, I guess.

[B]

Yeah, we'll see.

[A]

It's nice ripple effects that are unforeseen. I don't know, I feel a little black pilled. Yeah, I mean I feel like late nights just really not gonna exist anymore.

[B]

I see a lot of people on the right like Jack Bosobiak or like Lomaz or Stephen Miller giving these impassioned statements and saying like, oh, we're winning and it's only getting worse for you guys.

[A]

Gavin McGinnis.

[B]

No, but I like, I get what they're doing. They're like speaking to their base and I don't want to like be inconvenient and counter signal but like I'm a fundamentally cautious and superstitious person and it's like Kanye says, I don't think you should put things into the universe if they're not. I mean, I guess you, you can put like, you know, success and victory into the universe.

[A]

Yeah, they're manifesting triumph, sort of, but in a very vengeful. But I don't think you should monkey paw cursed way that I think is not going to actually it's not really serving anybody.

[B]

But I don't think that you should like, I guess gloat or brag until it's a done deal and it's in the bag. Because this scares me a lot. And like, yeah, it's, I think I said this on the last one when people are like yelling at me about how now that the right is in power I have no, I can just shut the up and like pack up, pack it in and go home. Like it will take years if not decades to undo the institutional dominance of, of the left. So like it's not a, like it's not a done deal by any means. Just because the Trump is in power now doesn't mean anything. I mean it's a positive turn.

[A]

The thing is it's, we're not going to undo the institutional dominance, we're going to just undo the institutions like college and late night television that they just won't exist anymore because they're already like.

[B]

Well which they're already obsolete due to other extra political forces.

[A]

So we're really just like expediating their collapse. But we're not going to like what actually winning would look like is or to the, you know, to people who. To these people is elusive to me. Like I don't. They are. They're going to make new institutions.

[B]

Yeah, that would be the idea. But they don't have taste.

[A]

None of these people have any. The Charlie Kirk Memorial was disgusting.

[B]

You have to ask yourself like what. What will prevent those institutions from being captured and corrupted from within too? Like, you really do have to ask yourself that question. I'm not being like not playing devil's advocate. I'm not doing a both sides thing. I prefer, I like far prefer the right to the left overall in the sense that like their imperatives, maybe not, not their impulses, but their imperatives are much more like normal and not pathological. Like the left. The left just wants to like again like normalize pathology and pathologize normalcy. Like everything about them is like morally inverted. Their. Their aims are their goals or like vision for society. Their view of children who are the future and the right is a little bit more like normal on this count.

[A]

They've got other deficiencies. They have no taste. They're like a lot of their instincts are bad and it's. I can't even really, I mean maybe to like the left, but I just missed liberal. I want a liberal Donald Trump.

[B]

Take. Take political factions or political sides out of it. What makes you think that your man made a neo institution will not suffer the same fate as all institutions throughout time in history? I mean, I guess what gives you such.

[A]

Incremental gains?

[B]

Outsized condominium fit ins? Like I'm not being caddy or I would really like, like to have this question answered.

[A]

I mean, what makes them think it's going to be any good? That's my. I just.

[B]

What makes what.

[A]

That their new institutions will even be any good? Yes. Yeah, I don't think they have. I don't.

[B]

Yeah. I mean all these things are like very like difficult and next to impossible to get off the ground in the first place. And if you can manage that, then you have to like deal with the day to day like operations.

[A]

I mean Elon Musk is probably the most effective. Like like messaging.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he did, he did ultimately like in Net, I guess do us a solid because he bought Twitter and then did the USA stuff. But it had obviously like very negative side effects. But you were saying he's the, the most effective.

[A]

Like he's able to, you know, he can make something new. He has shown that he can do that. But it's not gonna be good. It's gonna be slop. It's gonna be a shitty ass Tesla that some Indian guys driving you in. And like, I just, I want to make America great again. I don't just want these like symbolic cracker barrel ass, like culture war wins that perpetuate this discourse that is starting to feel really like gross and bad.

[B]

Yeah, no, it really does feel like Lennon's tomb. It's like stifling and suffocating.

[A]

But maybe I'm just moody because of the eclipse or something. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, maybe I'll. I'll get more of a like. And also like, what is the, the ultimate aim, the end goal? I mean, it's probably to get nice young white middle class people above replacement. Like if you want to break it down to like a bare and cruel material terms.

[A]

But so many things have to happen. For that.

[B]

Yeah. For that. To even that. Yeah.

[A]

And nothing I feel like is actually happening that is helping that like Jimmy Kimmel getting canceled is not going to help people like be able to forge a meaningful relationship where they can procreate and get their life in order. Because everyone's broke.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because they medical bills are piling up. I mean, would you recommend the Kanye west documentary?

[B]

That's a good question. Would you?

[A]

Yeah, I think it's. I don't think it's like, you know, that good. It doesn't have. It wraps up kind of hastily and then it has Kanye like some audio of Kanye talking about how if the director doesn't have a through line, then there won't be. But there isn't really a through through line.

[B]

No, it's just a random jumble of footage. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, they didn't get the Jewish doctor clip, which I love. Or. Yeah, they missed. There's a lot of missed opportunities. But I understand they were probably like, Kanye clearly had final cut. If not like, now is not the.

[B]

Time to back down. You have to let it all hang out.

[A]

But I think like, probably someone like Harley Pasternak.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like has NDA. Like there's things that they like, you.

[B]

Know, get sued into the ground.

[A]

Bianca for whatever reason is absent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because either she or Kanye didn't want to be in the movie for whatever reason. Yeah.

[B]

I, I really enjoyed the footage of him, like when he was like young and thin and handsome and like he's kind of a Wellbeckian sin eater. Like he started to, to look progressively like worse and more bloated because he's like mentally ill and under a lot of emotional strain and also just getting older.

[A]

Black. Don't Crack like that usually, unless there's something wrong.

[B]

But when he was young, he was really just, like, so handsome. Though he did look Indian, but he had very, like, regular symmetrical features.

[A]

Well, I find Indians handsome, you know, in the. Not, like, obviously there's so many of them that a lot of them aren't going to be handsome. But in the, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But when they are handsome, they have great hair.

[B]

Yeah. Nice white teeth. Nice prominent whites of the eyes. The. Yeah. Like, obviously, like all his, like, church concerts. Prison concerts. Church inspired are beautiful. Like when he has, like, black people dressed in, like, neo biblical garb, it just like, it looks amazing.

[A]

Fantastic. One of the best.

[B]

And, you know, I'm sure he's like. He hires people to help him.

[A]

Well, he's a good producer.

[B]

Make it happen. But he's like, his. That's his ideation.

[A]

His genius is in production.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And direct and creative direction.

[B]

So he's able to, like, the hoarding and dispersing of ideas.

[A]

And he's able to, like, utilize people really effectively, which is its own kind.

[B]

Of genius, and then cruelly discard them when they no longer have utility because he's bored of them. I mean, it's true. But that's like.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you guys think Hitler was any different?

[A]

Definitely. There was probably, like, really needy and weird.

[B]

Eva, you must stay with me in my bunker. I will kill myself.

[A]

Bad visual artist.

[B]

Yeah, true.

[A]

And I'm not afraid to say it.

[B]

Would I recommend the dog? Yeah, I guess. Like, when it's streaming. I really do hate the experience of going to the movie theater.

[A]

I know. You're part of the reason for the decline of.

[B]

Yeah, I hate it. I hate it. But it's so awful and like.

[A]

Well, it's so expensive in a way that it has no business. But even your idea of a reason, like, it should cost. Yeah.

[B]

Like how much?

[A]

$5. It'd be nice.

[B]

It's 16. But usually it's like 21.

[A]

Yeah. And then you get a drink. It's another 16.

[B]

Yeah. It's $11 for a Diet Coke.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

And $11 for small popcorn and my.

[A]

Husband'S sliders at the movie theater. And those are not cheap.

[B]

They're not cheap. Yeah. It's like, it is prohibitively expensive. And okay. I. Like I said, I got there at 2:15. Show started at 2:45. Like, show time was 2:15. Show started at two 45.

[A]

Oh, yeah. No, because now they also leave the lights on during the preview.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They didn't used to do so. Everything feels Like a shitty, like, ad Pre previews, they used to turn the lights off. The previews come on. The magic of the movies. You're like, ooh, let's go. Like, everything looks serious.

[B]

You're getting into the mood. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

But nothing looks good because the lights are like on until the movie starts 30 minutes after.

[B]

Then you just like get assaulted with like annoying, increasingly Soviet seeming previews. Like that horrible new PTA film starring Leo DiCaprio and Tiana Taylor where they're like an interracial couple. And that's supposed to be believable.

[A]

I mean, it might be good. Like, the thing is, everything looks bad because they don't turn the lights off. So everything feels. It doesn't have the gravitas the way a preview used to. And so you can't even really tell what's what. It's really like, disrespectful. It's an unpleasant filmmakers. But I still like, I like going to the movies because it's something to do and you have like an immersive, you know, don't go on your phone.

[B]

Or now that I use X on my phone, I do like, literally like scrolling, like originally, like to take notes. But then as I got deeper into the documentary, I was like, oh, wait, this isn't one of those things. It's not like an Enron doc where you need to take copious notes. And also taking notes is gay. Even though I'm like a teacher's pet female.

[A]

Like, I scrawled, I wrote in my notebook in the dark. Just like moments that seems, you know.

[B]

But yeah, it was like, it was really horrible and antisocial for me, like, whip out. And I had it lowered to like the lowest brightness, obviously, but still.

[A]

And a matinee. There probably weren't that many people there.

[B]

No, there was. There was one, like, really hip, cool looking black guy who was, I'm assuming, like a huge Kanye fan. Otherwise why would he go. And I was like, thinking like, I wonder what, like, your experiences watching this documentary as like a black man. You're, like sitting there nodding along like, so true King. Yes, this makes sense. Like when the crazy lady is accosting him and she's like, I see your mama through the window. You're like, yes.

[A]

I mean, I kind of was like, I, I, you know, I think Kanye's so endearing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if you're a fan, you are on his side.

[B]

Yeah, no, true, true.

[A]

So you are like, yeah, E is Kim's slave. Shit, he's right.

[B]

Yeah, he's so cute. And where he's like analogizing like chattel slavery to like contemporary, like consumer neoliberal slavery, I guess. I got it.

[A]

I got it.

[B]

You're a slave to Adidas, the Internet and corporations instead of to a white.

[A]

Master and they call it the masters and he doesn't own his master.

[B]

I know, I know. I love how, like black people will make tell them insights that you have when you're like in high school. And highest sound like profound and philosophical.

[A]

Divine simplicity.

[B]

Your life is therapy. Therapy is your life. You have to enter the ether.

[A]

Like, what the ral's gassing you up about your mental health documentary. Chris rocks. Enabling you at every turn, telling, like.

[B]

Clearly, like, yeah, that was your. Chris Rock is clearly like a shifty. He seems self serving opportunist.

[A]

Totally. After he told me what he wanted to hear, he went some Michael Che and said, it's true. So up, man. What Kanye did, he probably went up.

[B]

To, you're a great comedian. His Jewish friends like Gina Gershon and Debbie Mazar and was like, yo, what Kanye's saying about the juice, that ain't right.

[A]

He's perpetuating harmful stereotypes about how Jews manage his whole life. Well, I mean, we did two hours.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We could clock out. Why not?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Another job well done.

[B]

I'm jealous of Kanye. I wish I was bipolar. Well, don't you ever wish you could just go off the deep end?

[A]

I mean, I've had not, you know.

[B]

One that, you know, so cool to just.

[A]

I'm not bipolar. No, I'm just a milder. I have a milder condition, but I've had problems with my medication.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So relatable. Okay, well, we'll see you in sat.