Madison Square Garbage

Summary

Red Scare Podcast Summary: "Madison Square Garbage"

Episode Overview In the November 4, 2024 episode titled "Madison Square Garbage," hosts Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova delve into a myriad of topics ranging from Halloween festivities to their experiences at a Trump rally held at Madison Square Garden. The episode offers a blend of cultural commentary, political analysis, and personal anecdotes, providing listeners with an unfiltered glimpse into the hosts' perspectives on contemporary societal issues.

Halloween Celebrations and Costumes The episode kicks off with the hosts discussing Halloween traditions in New York City. Anna and Dasha express surprise and disapproval over the increasingly revealing costumes worn by women, highlighting a cultural shift in how Halloween is celebrated.

• Dasha Nekrasova (00:42): "I was just telling Anna I'm shocked at how slutty women are dressed these days."
• Anna Khachiyan (03:04): "A lot of people were like, Camille Paglia, Judith Butler. I think I am gonna just keep the wig and recycle it next year and do Camille."

Attending the Trump Rally at Madison Square Garden Anna and Dasha recount their experiences attending a Trump rally at Madison Square Garden. They observe the diverse demographic of attendees, noting a significant presence of Jewish supporters and black individuals aligning with Trump's base. The hosts critique media portrayals of the rally, arguing that it was mischaracterized as a "Nazi fascist hate fest."

• Anna Khachiyan (21:44): "Black men, black women at the bottom, as always. But like, it was actually just like, like I always get the sense with these moderate centrist types..."
• Dasha Nekrasova (23:03): "There's a wide clientele."

Political Commentary: Republican vs. Democrat Dynamics A substantial portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the current political landscape. The hosts advocate for Trump, criticizing the Democratic Party for fostering dependency and eroding traditional American values. They express skepticism towards centrist ideologies and argue that voting choices are becoming polarized and limited to the two major parties.

• Dasha Nekrasova (14:19): "I'm voting on election day. Yeah, I don't like this vote early stuff. I'm like, I'm voting on. I'm going to vote on time."
• Anna Khachiyan (38:16): "But it's very clear. If you're an IDW person and your whole brand for the last four or six years has been how the Democrats have failed us... you have no choice but to vote for Trump."

Immigration and Cultural Identity The hosts engage in a heated debate over immigration, emphasizing concerns about cultural assimilation and the impact of legal immigration on American identity. They argue that excessive immigration can lead to cultural clashes and alter the foundational values of the United States.

• Anna Khachiyan (85:54): "But they always have and they will. But they always have and they will."
• Dasha Nekrasova (88:52): "But you have to accept that that's what's going to happen."

Critique of Public Figures and Media Representation Anna and Dasha critique various public figures, including Melania Trump, Megan Kelly, and Cardi B, discussing their roles and behaviors in the political arena. They express disappointment in how these figures engage with political discourse and media narratives.

• Anna Khachiyan (50:32): "What I really find relatable about Melania is that she is like a boring, responsible, mature adult who doesn't really advertise or broadcast her like, private passions."
• Dasha Nekrasova (98:18): "She endorse Trump out of a Bollywood movie. Cardi B. That's disappointing."

Conclusion and Final Thoughts As the episode wraps up, the hosts reflect on their experiences and reiterate their support for Trump, emphasizing a desire for cultural preservation and skepticism towards both major political parties. They encourage listeners to engage with their upcoming election night stream, hinting at continued political discourse post-election.

• Anna Khachiyan (103:07): "We'll see you in hell."
• Dasha Nekrasova (103:07): "Ra."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Dasha Nekrasova (00:42): "I was just telling Anna I'm shocked at how slutty women are dressed these days."
• Anna Khachiyan (03:04): "A lot of people were like, Camille Paglia, Judith Butler."
• Anna Khachiyan (21:44): "Black men, black women at the bottom, as always."
• Dasha Nekrasova (14:19): "I'm voting on election day."
• Anna Khachiyan (38:16): "You have no choice but to vote for Trump."

Final Thoughts "Madison Square Garbage" offers a candid and often contentious exploration of current political and cultural issues from the unique viewpoints of Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova. Their unabashed discourse provides listeners with a provocative take on the state of American society, politics, and identity in the lead-up to the 2024 elections.

Transcript

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Boo. It's Halloween. Except this will be a couple days after. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Trick or treat.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, no. There's weird buzzing. No, it's gone. I think it's fine.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Trick or treat, you skanks.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I was just telling Anna I'm shocked at how slutty women are dressed these days.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I know, it's insane. Yes. We were just commiserating how this is one day where you can, like, really let your freak flag fly.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Lingerie.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And somehow it's socially acceptable and people.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Don'T bat an eyelash yet because it's like, that's the thing.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But in New York, it's so unhygienic. I feel like.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And cold. Like in la, people go. Go to some, like, house party and there's a pool. It's like the. You know, you're a little Playboy bunny and there's like. It makes more sense.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But in New York, it's just like, you have to be. Try really hard to look like this. Like, could I have a cig? I don't think this is my last one.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I can go up, go out and get some.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, I could have sworn I have so much crap in my bag.

[Anna Khachiyan]

We've been blessed for several years now. Oh, I've balmy. I was.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I have a whole pack of squares. Incredible.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Of balmy, temperate Halloween. So today's pretty warm.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Pretty nice, actually.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But, yeah, I was telling Dasha that I went to Park Slope to go trick or treating with the baby and Eli and some friends of the family who have two kids. And there was, like, these roving groups of teen girls dressed, like, total. And I was like, at what point do you, like, age out of the trick or treating? Because, like, you want the candy, but it's also kind of inappropriate to compete with, like, toddlers.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I think 13 is too old.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And. Yeah. And even I was, like, trailing derisively behind, like, what are you supposed to be, jail bait? Like, under his breath to these girls.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, my God.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But it's fun. I think as a woman, you have one of two options for your costume. You could either be a total.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Or go full drag like me.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You. It's you. So you were.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Of Interview magazine.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I gotta say, I love your Halloween costumes. I was like, I have no idea.

[Anna Khachiyan]

A lot of people were like, Camille Paglia, Judith Butler. I think I am gonna just keep the wig and recycle it next year and do Camille.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Easy. Yeah. It was seemed like kind of like a niche Camille look potentially like, you know, that was like a Fan favorite.

[Anna Khachiyan]

No, I had to go with Mel because he just released his denim collabo with redone.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Right.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And he's been on the scene. He's like a New York fixture.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He should come on the show.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Would love to have them.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

We could wear the jeans. Do you have a pair?

[Anna Khachiyan]

I don't.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Even having a jeans moment.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And it's like the Canadian tuxedo look that I already have and wear organically. So it was a no brainer. I have kind of like a blockage against dressing too slutty on Halloween because I tend to dress kind of slutty.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. Your birthday, you like to dress like a prostitute. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

So I figure like, this is the one holiday where I can be like a creative theater kid.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. I. I'm sure I've said this, but I always do either a nurse or a French maid. And I keep it a very like moderately slutty. It's like the context is already slutty because I'm wearing kind of like a submissive costume, but I haven't done that for years.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Dressing up.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. You're kind of over. Well, you're an actress, so you like get to dress up all the time.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I'm always being creative. Yeah. Every day, you know. Oh, I have to switch out these headphones. They're actually like giving me like shock treatment.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It's like one of those electric collars they put on dogs to discipline them. It's fine. He likes being abused by women.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I'm gonna text them. I don't know what the fuck you're doing, but we have a system here.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Stop trying to derail our operation. I was thinking how a really cute couple's costume would be Huma and the Soros son.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

The gay guy.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, that would be funny. Daniel Penny and Jordan Neely.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I had that thought too. And I was like, this is too much.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It's too much. It's too much. It's not a good idea.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It's like, you know one of those costumes you get at the drugstore that's like an alien care, like kidnapping a man.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, it's that.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But it's like Daniel Penny choke holding Jordan Neely on the F tree.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Alien is fun. That's a fun child's costume too. Kids, you really. I was disappointed with your son's choice.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I know. We were just. I mean, I hope he doesn't hear this.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, my God.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But it was his. He went as rider from Paw Patrol, which was easy and low effort for me.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But not what I Would have chosen personally, but he's getting to be that.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Age where he makes his own decision.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like, can't you go as a trans kid?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Can you go wear the Steve Bannon costume? Dasha got you with little pens in his shirt. Oh, my God. So cute.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Steve Bannon and young thug are free.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I didn't know.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Wow. Welcome. Come on the pod again. I'll talk to Steve again.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, Sexy Steve.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

We went to the Trump rally.

[Anna Khachiyan]

We did. Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

We'll talk. Which we'll discuss. But yeah, it's Halloween before the election, so it's the last pod we'll probably do. We should plug our Free press election night stream. We're going to be part of a.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Bunch of people, the who's who of centrist fence sitters.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I don't know who most of those people are. I know Marianne Williamson, Andrew Yang, Brianna.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Wu.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

A couple other people, but a lot of those you. Anna Kasparian.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Is like my Dasha Novotny.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I know.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like there can only be one another.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Anna K. Yeah. Tasha Navar.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And she's kind of been spitting on Twitter lately. Doing the right wing pivot.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It'll be interesting. Tune in on YouTube and X.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Will all of this be in person? Some of these IDW luminaries gonna be like in the building or are they gonna just call in?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I think some people are calling in, but some people will be there. I mean, we'll be there.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, we'll be there.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

We got. We're doing Jack. It's harder for us to use the computer than to just show up. I was refused lip filler today.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Why?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I like impul bio. I am semi impulsively, you know, was like, I'm glad in hindsight, you know, I came home.

[Anna Khachiyan]

You don't want to tamper with something like that before the election. Live stream.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That's a very good point. I just was like, I'm just gonna do it. I'm gonna get the filler. You know, but, you know, then I went in and I was like, I don't want it to look like I have filler. And she was like, she props to her. Honestly. She gave me my money back and everything. And she was like, I'm not gonna give you filler because it's not gonna look good.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And I was like, fair. Thank you.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Can I say something? There's like, the beauty standards have gone too far. Not everyone like huge, huge lips, you know, a huge ass or huge tits. There's something to be said about aristocratic small breasted women.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Thank you.

[Anna Khachiyan]

With natural lips. I'm just saying that's my personal preference.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I know. It's so true. You know, I mean, I didn't want. I wasn't gonna come up here with, like, you know, but I guess what I want isn't really possible.

[Anna Khachiyan]

What do you want?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Just, like, naturally fuller, you know, Like, I want it to look like I haven't had filler. And I like, I always just ate something spicy, you know, you should just.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Eat, like, rub hot sauce on your lips.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, I could. Those tingling lip balms just like, I don't actually like the way those look, so I don't know why.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, they suck.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I would want, you know, my lips to even necessarily be like. Yeah, I don't know. I'm gonna keep thinking about it.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I was just thinking how, like, having style is literally just wearing clothes that suit you.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

There's many different ways to be stylish. And, like, beauty kind of operates according to the same principle. It's like, what works for you personally.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, so true.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Which is why, like, beauty trends are dangerous, because all sorts of, like, impressionable women and girls get it into their heads that they have to look some certain, like, monolithic way, and it's, like, not good.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

No, it's true. And then it'll become a status thing to not have filler, you know, once it reaches, like, a saturation point.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. I think, like, my trend forecasting is that there's going to be an about face and it's going to be cool to be natural again.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That's a good trend forecast. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Have no tits in a flat ass.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, that's coming back in a big way. Being frail and middle aged is actually going to be, like, the coolest thing you can do. Sorry, Gen Z.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Sorry, Gen Z. With your perfectly plump skin and succulent breasts, it's all about being an old crone.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Now.

[Anna Khachiyan]

The elder millennials are back in charge with J.D.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Vance at the helm. I mean, but the millennials are having a moment.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Get some lip filler. He already has kind of a big ass, actually.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He's slimmed down.

[Anna Khachiyan]

He's slim thick.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He's looking, you know, trim and good. He's refined. What else?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Trump rally.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I. Halloween pre game. Yeah, it'll probably. It'll. This. We'll put this out before the election. Do you think Trump. Well, do you think Trump is going to win? Since this is the last podcast, so.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I'm naturally superstitious and conservative, so I don't like making predictions like that because I don't like to psych myself out and be disappointed. But I keep telling all my friends to keep saying he's gonna win because it makes me feel better. I think the momentum and the energy is there. Like a lot of people I know are doing this very annoying thing where they're like glued to the polls and combing through tweets and taking any shred of like expert analysis at face value and they're really just like over analyzing and second guessing.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Such a waste of time. Because anything can happen in a moment that changes.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like him having the election stolen again.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Or anything, you know, assassinated or him coming on red scare and would really.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Happen, especially the election getting rigged.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I don't think they can. They can, they could rig it again.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I, I was seeing the people saying that there was a lot more early turnout from Republican voters and a lot less early turnout from Democrat voters. And part of that is attributable to the end of the pandem. But it's unclear how much that'll play in his favor. Blah, blah, blah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I'm voting on election day. Yeah, I don't like this vote early stuff. I'm like, I'm voting on. I'm going to vote on time.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Do you think he's going to win?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I do. Objectively, I mean, I want him to win. I want him to win. I'm going to vote for him. I'm not going to be devastated if he loses, you know, but I think he is going to win just objectively, just based on, you know, Eugene, they want us to me he was listening to the podcast and driving around and he wanted to call me and tell me that I've been sounding really out of touch.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That's rich.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But I sound elitist when I talk about how I don't take the train and how they're, you know, I was like, well, I am out of touch. I don't like leave my apartment. I'm just like reengineering. I'm trying to talk about my reality but being completely out of touch. I do feel and being. I mean, Madison Square Garden is major. So many people from my past, you know, were like, are you serious? Not so many people, but you know, three. So many. Everyone's reaching out to me. Everyone's saying they saw my amazing post wellness check. No, but people in my life that are more left leaning, you could say are definitely like, what are you, Are you serious? This guy?

[Anna Khachiyan]

I thought your edge lordism and contrarianism has gone too far. I was think this is A game.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That photo of me outside that someone took. Yeah, that. Where I'm wearing the hat and sunglasses and doing the peace signs. This guy ran up to me and said, dasha, let me get one picture. And I turned around and I saw that he had, like, you know, I mean, I would have probably, you know, I don't know. He ambushed me. And I saw I had a camera. And so I, you know, smiled and did the V for victory thing. And then he said and walked away. And I thought I. I was like, that guy just called me a moron. But I convinced myself that I was, like, paranoid because I'd smoked weed on my way there. And so I was like, you're here. There's no way that guy called you a moron. And then I saw you posted it on Reddit, and he definitely did call me a moron.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Yeah. What was he doing there?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I don't know. Being a narc?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Who care? I'm like, I don't think it's, you know, deplorable. I think it's very. MSG is major. Of course I'm growing the Trump rally. Like, when people. Even if I, like, wasn't a Trump support reporter, I'd probably still go.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It's like, yeah, we were just, you know, doing journalism reporting. We were like, Mike Tracy, of course, this is our embedded in the trenches.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Sorry. It's an elect. It's an election.

[Anna Khachiyan]

We were obviously there to support Trump.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Well, I wanted to see it.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You know, but we, it's true.

[Anna Khachiyan]

We would have gone anyway had the opportunity presented itself.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Absolutely.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And it was like, truly. Well, okay. I wanted to ask you. I was like, lording over you and Maddie being like, I'm an expert. I've done this before. As a second time rally goer. As a first time rally goer, what was your impression of the rally?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Well, I had been to some Bernie Sanders rallies before, which were quite different in terms of the protocol. I mean, it was long.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yes. We got there probably around noon, left probably around 8. You and Riley had the good sense to leave before he had finished his speech. And so sorry, Mr. Trump. You know, I love Sorry, we didn't mean anything.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Part of the deal. I gotta get out of there.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And then me and the rest of the crew followed shortly thereafter. And it actually got me to thinking of that moment during the debate where Kamala accused him of people leaving his rallies early.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, I thought of that.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Got him to lose his cool. And I was thinking about it and like, you know, the Democrats, they. They Lie in this way where they don't exactly bend the facts, but they misrepresent the significance. And obviously people are like rational and self interested actors. Even the most loyal Trump fans, magatards. And so like, of course they're trying to get ahead of the traffic. We got gridlocked at some point in like Haji and Matthew's van on the way to Nobu. And so like this is gonna sound like such cope, but it's actually true. Obviously, like people leave the rallies early because they are so popular and well attended. It's actually a good sign, a positive sign.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That's. This doesn't sound like hope at all. It's like in order to leave early, there has to be a time during which most people leave.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You know, so to leave early is already explicitly like a minority group if. No, not everyone can leave early.

[Anna Khachiyan]

The high IQ contingent, the people who pass the marshmallow test, just.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I, you know, I had two monster energy drinks because they weren't serving alcohol. So I was sweating.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

A lot. And like feeling like flushed from all the B vitamins and I had to get out of there.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Maddie said the funniest thing like that, you know, because there was no alcohol. She was just acting drunk. But it's true. You can really psyop yourself into feeling wasted even. And like rallies are a slog. They're like a feat of endurance. They, you know, it was like all day, they ran like 15 speakers. They kept like teasing us with the big man. And every time some other guy would come out who was like a VC or an investor, some guy. What I don't understand about rallies is like the mechanics of how they work. Like, do people, like, how do people get elected to speak? Speak? And do you have to like curry favor with the boss and blah, blah, blah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, through like his team.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You know, of people that are organizing his events and then they reach out to people. And Tulsi, Tulsi was good, I thought.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, she looked great.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Some other broads came out.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Alina Haba.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Which one was she?

[Anna Khachiyan]

She was the busty lawyer in the sequin maga jacket.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh yeah. And she said, I put my maga jacket up here to show Hillary Clinton or whatever.

[Anna Khachiyan]

One of the big takeaways from the rally that came out of the mainstream media was how it was like a, A Nazi fascist hate fest. And it crazy. Literally wasn't that at all.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Everyone's talking about Israel.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, every. Every other person, New York City, we.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Were talking Israel big time.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Israel's our friend.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Jews.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, we need Trump for Jews, women, men. It's like the list.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Black men, black women at the bottom, as always. But like, it was actually just like, like I always get the sense with like, of these moderate centrist types that I've been seeing a lot of on the TL lately, that they'll say, like, well, you know, sometimes I think that I'm sympathetic to MAGA and like certain parts of it, but I can never get fully behind it because it's so divisive and racist. And it dawned on me that they're like, what they're really trying to express is the exact opposite. They're like coping and projecting because really what they hate about it and are threatened by is it's universal message and mass appeal.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Because they're elitists.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Because they're. Yeah. They're literally just snobs.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Well, it's. Yeah, I think.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And they hold the chuds and contempt.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. It's like they find Trump to be vulgar, but to. I, I. How can you not like him? Yeah, it's.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Most people are vulgar.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Exactly.

[Anna Khachiyan]

So.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Exactly.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And he really casts a wide net in terms of like his base.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like, there was a lot of different people there. I, I met some like, black guys.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, yeah. Where?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like in the hallway.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

At the Trump rally.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, at the Trump rally. And I was like kind of clandestinely taking pictures of them because they looked really swaggy and good. And the one guy stopped me and made it, made me take a picture of him like, head on. And I did. It was great. And he was like some drill rapper from like the Bronx, Brooklyn, I think.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I know that guys are.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And he was acting like everybody should know who he was. And I literally, legitimately had no idea.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But like there's like a wide clientele.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

A bunch of Jews. Remember we saw those Jews in the hallway too.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Yeah. The Tri State area do bring out like the orthodox Jewish vote, for sure.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Wearing MAGA hats.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And like over there, like peos, like taking up more space than is polite.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It's like the handshake meme between the Jews and Chinese who have no spatial self awareness and literally like just block the center of the aisle when people are trying to get through.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That's interesting. Yeah. Always, Always. Everything we say on here is affectionate.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And then I guess the first speaker really set the tone. I wasn't aware of this guy, Tony Hinchcliffe of Kill Tony.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Me neither.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And he set off like the whole. He really set the tone of the media response because he set off a viral discourse with his Puerto Rico joke.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Right.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Which like, to quote Megan Kelly, he.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Probably is Puerto Rican.

[Anna Khachiyan]

He looks Puerto Rican.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Right? That's why I was like, I didn't. When he. He was not funny.

[Anna Khachiyan]

You look like Puerto Rican David Spade.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, I bet he is.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But to quote Megan Kelly, like, I'm not easily offended because nothing really offends me. But I remember even then before the media response hit, thinking like, well, okay, this joke is not personally offensive to me, but it is like ill conceived and ill timed. And it wasn't so much like the content of the joke, but like the delivery and the personality.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. I mean, and just like clickbaity, you know, news. Hadley. Like, wow, they said something racist at the.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Somebody explained to me that this guy is actually a really good roast comedian who's known for crowd work, but that like, obviously completely fails to register in a rally type setting where people aren't there to see you.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He has a reputation for dark humor and insult comedy, which has led to several controversies, apparently. Says Wiggly. Okay. In an interview with cleveland.com he said that his insults got him punched in the face on the school bus. We. We're not getting a race. We don't know he's from Ohio. He's probably just a white guy, I guess. Hinchcliff. Yeah, the dude. Yeah, he was a let down.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. But he, like, for a moment there, it really looked like it might work against Trump because in the eyes of Trump's haters, it's. He's always guilty by association. And by the way, I like fully believe Trump when he said, like, never heard of this guy, didn't know who he was. They just let him on stage.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Horace. Of course he doesn't. He didn't know about Red Scare podcast.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, I know. They should have just let us on stage as the tattoo song played. Nora.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

We would have done a great job. But whatever, I get it.

[Anna Khachiyan]

This like, tightly organized rally would immediately have sound issues.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

More like that drill rapper everyone knows.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Should know who we are.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Who the hell is Tony Hinchcliffe? He's like, way more famous. Yeah, like, what the.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, he has like 6 million followers on YouTube or something.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Never heard of this guy.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But then like Joe Biden came out of retirement and hopped on the zoom call and really did a course correction because he called the Trump base garbage in response to Kill Tony. And that pisses saying Puerto Rico is a floating island of garbage.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That really pissed Trump off, per the text, I guess. Yeah, he said it pissed me off on bion called you garbage. I was like, the. That's terrible. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Because that's, like, half the country right there. It's, like Deplorables 2.0.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I know. They gotta. They gotta. They can't show their contempt so nakedly, you know, for everybody.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And it's, like, hard to say whether the Democrats are really that dumb and clueless or whether it's, like, Biden's final revenge on Kamala.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Interesting.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Who, like, sabotaged him and blackmailed him and then staged a coup against Triple H. Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Right? He went out to that rally, or he met those, like, firefighters or whatever and put on the Trump hat.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Who? Trump?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Biden.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Oh, Biden. What?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It was, like, a month ago. It's, like, photos of him. He's. Because he has, like. I mean, it seemed demented, but, yeah, he put him out.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I feel like. I feel like Biden would look kind of cute in a Maga hat.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Have you not. You've seen.

[Anna Khachiyan]

No, I haven't seen it now.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Okay.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I've just been. I've been seeing all the garbage man imagery coming out of Pennsylvania of Trump. Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. That's awesome. We love. We love garbage, don't. Don't we? Let's see. Okay. It's a minute long. Remember your name. I don't remember my name.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I'm sw. Sw. Is that Nick Fuente?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I'm an old guy, and you're an old. I know you would know about that. Why? Being old. Oh, I know, all right. I'm a young timer. He reminds me the guys I grew up with. There's always one in the neighborhood. I miss. I miss. There you go, man. I need that hatograph.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, I keep thinking about how I.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Come on. I ain't going that far.

[Anna Khachiyan]

He looks good. Red suits him.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Makes him look more alive. He looks so happy wearing it, too.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It really adds some, like, color to his potato famine power.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He's so old, you know?

[Anna Khachiyan]

But Trump, like, Biden and Trump are, like, the same age, give or take a few years.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I know, but Trump doesn't exercise, so his body's has all. It's all charged up with energy.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It's not depleted. Deleted. And he's a new iPhone.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, I saw people accuse us of lying about liking McDonald's. As if. I haven't been talking about eating at McDonald's for over a decade.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I have a food Twitter where I used to tweet everything.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That's really, like, a core element of your brand.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I like be. Yeah, of course. I'm like, eating at McDonald's?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, all the time.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

All the time. I ate McDonald's today.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And, yeah, and I don't eat at McDonald's all the time, but I was truly being earnest and genuine when I started eating at McDonald's every other day. Because, like, Eli went on tour to Europe and he looks down upon me for my trashy, slob tastes and habits. And when he's not around, I like to get a Quarter Pounder meal and a Happy Meal for the baby and, like, chill out and watch TV.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, it's awesome.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And McDonald's is one of the few franchises that I am nostalgic for from when I was, like, a wee immigrant lad.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Of course.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Literally, one of my earliest memories of coming to America was getting McDonald's in Central Jersey and puking out of the side of the car.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. Returning to your vomit always feels good. I. I love. I loved Big Macs as a kid. I used to draw pictures of it. I thought it was like. I like, was like, amazing American sandwich. I was like. As an immigrant child, the Big Mac for me was like, I don't even eat the Big Mac hardly ever now, but. But, yeah, I like. I loved. I've loved McDonald's since I was a kid. Always been a comfort food for me. It is. I think it is relatively healthy.

[Anna Khachiyan]

The macros are good because you.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It's. Yeah, like you said, like, you don't have to stress about what to eat. You're gonna get the cows. You're gonna get some nutritional value. Don't eat it all the time. Don't eat that much of it.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I think I said this on an earlier episode, but it's.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Don't be a psycho.

[Anna Khachiyan]

The only meal you can get that, like, avoids the inflationary pricing of Biden's.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

America, especially the app.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It's nice to get points.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Makes you feel good.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Starbucks, too. I've always loved. I just. I like places for unemployed people to have lunch.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, it's nice. There's nothing, like, inauthentic about our love of McDonald's. I'll be honest with you. I think McDonald's is probably, like, not that good for you in the sense that all of the stuff is heavily processed and has, like, microplastics and carcinogens up in it.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It's good for you. In Europe. In Europe, it's as good as any restaurant in America, by the way.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It's not. It's not any worse than, like, corner bar or any restaurant or anywhere that you get a burger.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Any restaurant is. The food will Be higher quality, but it'll still be, like, you know, fried.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And in seed oil.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You know, it's.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And it's. It's probably the only franchise that has. That holds up to the taste test where, like, I remember going to Ikea a lot as a child, and that meal was really good. I remember going to Dunkin Donuts a lot as a child. That meal was really good. And the quality has plummeted. And part of that is due to the fact that back then, I had an unsyste, unsophisticated, childlike palette, obviously, and I'm, like, editorializing things. But also it's due to the fact that, like, the quality has literally gone down. And with McDonald's, maybe that's true, maybe it's not, but the taste is the same. It tastes exactly like my youth.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. And the. It varies on franchise, but mainly McDonald's is basically good. Yeah. Trump making the fries. I bet those tastes pretty good. He went up in there, he put the McDonald's uniform on. That's amazing. That's. Of course I'm gonna vote for that guy. Like, obviously. How could people, anyone who knows me, even be surprised?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, the thing with the, like, liberal commentaria is that they, like, also whatever Ormond White's phrase was, defies credulity. That the guy is unlikable and unpleasant.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Exactly. They don't understand also, that there's been, like, Tucker talked about this, I think, at the rally about the. An alignment shift. Like, it's not like, it isn't actually, like, fascistic and deplorable and evil to be a Trump supporter. It's, like, normal to want, like, normal people to feel like they have, like, glory and triumph and, like, honor in what they do. Yeah. And to see, like, a presidential candidate, you know, especially after Kamala lied about working at McDonald's.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And. And wouldn't even make people feel like they're. They're not Scrabble rat, undignified losers, which is, like, the Democrat party line.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. They think that, like, you're literally, like.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Down market if you don't vote for us.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And you're low status if you don't vote for us.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Totally. And the rally did. I really was like, I love America. I love New York. I love, like, what this country represents, and I would love for this country to be prosperous, and I want Trump to win. I don't expect him to deliver on his campaign promises perfectly, but I think for morale.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Of course not. Who can.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Exactly.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That's. I said this on Twitter. Responding to one of these moderate centrist types because Eric Weinstein had that tweet where he was like, not my world, not my country, not my America. I have failed in this election or something. And it was, it was very narcissistic and grandstanding because it's like, really not that complicated. People are like, oh, it's not so black and white. It is pretty black and white. It's like, which one of these two candidates do you feel will be better for this country? Given that those are your two options, Your only options, really.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Of course.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And like, doing some quirky meme write in is really not an option. It's like, I see a lot of people on Instagram who are like these kind, kind of edgy downtown artist and stylist types, like, being like, oh, I'm just writing in like a funny meme person. And that maybe would have played in 2016, but it just feels fraudulent and cowardly now. And by the way, if you want to vote for Kamala because you have determined that she's the better person, like, when I say better for the country, I mean better than the other one.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you can abstain from voting if you don't feel called to vote for someone. It's. Yeah, it's.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, that's.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You could make a case that it's your duty, but it's not really like it's their job. Want to vote for them. And the Trump campaign has made me want to vote for him.

[Anna Khachiyan]

If you are the type of person who is going to vote, then you vote for one or the other and you don't do the faggy, limp wristed little write in for Internet clout.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Because now is not the time. And like I said, I have respect for unreconstructed Democratic voters who are going to vote for Kamala no matter what, even if they don't like her because they feel like she's the best choice. I have respect for totally non political, non ideological people who are just going to sit this out because they don't care about voting.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, of course.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But it's very clear. If you're an IDW person and your whole, like, brand for the last four or six years has been how the Democrats have failed us and have corrupted all of our institutions and organizations and our values and norms, then you have no choice but to vote for Trump.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, definitely.

[Anna Khachiyan]

You just have to like, bite the bullet and do it. And you don't even have to like the guy.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Why don't they, like, why don't the IDW types like him.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I mean, again, they'll say it's because he's, he's like the king of divisive.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But that's vulgar rhetoric. But that's not even true.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And he spews hatred and bigotry, but that's really not what they're responding to. What they are responding to is that he's basically undeniably popular.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. And that's why they don't like him.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Because I think it's threatening to them because they're like, uppity and elitist.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, yeah. I mean, he really, like. I forget who it was who said this at the rally, but they talked about it, the GOP now being a very, like, actually Unitarian party. And it's actually, it is, it's just not. It makes me feel gaslit because it's like the Democrats are the ones, the dnc, they said Trump more than any other word practically. You know, like their whole message is don't vote for Trump.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And Trump's not doing that.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I feel like the GOP now is like an umbrella term that encompasses everyone who's not a. Not a Democrat loyalist.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. I don't mean, like card carrying Republicans. I just, I really mean, like, because I wouldn't just vote for a Republican necessarily.

[Anna Khachiyan]

The, the mainline establishment GOP sucks.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I wouldn't vote for Ron DeSantis.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like, my take on this is a little different. We talked about this on an earlier episode again, and you were saying how you would vote for Trump because you find him personally personable, likable, you enjoy his meme, magic, whatever. He's a person who appeals to you. And I said that, like, yes, I agree with all that, but that's not why I'm voting for him. I'm voting for him because I think that voting Kamala in is a point of no return for the nation. And she's an embarrassment to even our most embarrassing presidents, is completely unfit, unqualified for the job. And it's not like things are going to switch overnight if she wins and America is going to descend into like, bloody, fiery civil war. It'll be like a long, drawn out process. But still, I don't really want to be a part of that or like a participant or a bystander. And like, my vote for Trump is irrespective of all his positive and likable qualities.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, I do like him.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Helps that I do.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You like him personally, but I like what he stands for. I like the idea of, like, Kamala's not really, like, promising, like a prosperous, you know, she's kind of like bribing black guys by legalizing weed. But she's not really, like, you know, as a person who, like, you know, hopes to have a family in the future.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Like, I want, you know, my family to be able to be prosperous in.

[Anna Khachiyan]

This country or at least have the illusion of prosperity.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I'm an immigrant. I believe in the American dream.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Belittled and condescended to every step of the way.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And like, at this point also, I'm like, on the record many times over as, like, not really being a fan of the gop. And I'm not a registered Republican. I have never really thought about any sort of personal alignment with the Republican Party. But even if Trump were not on the ticket, I would probably vote Republican down ticket anyway, no matter who the Republican candidate was.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

The Dems. Because the Dems are so hostile. I'm a registered Democrat. I think so because I registered to vote in the primaries.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I'm probably also a registered Democrat. Yeah. I can't imagine that I'm anything else.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

The betrayal. The. For the guy who betrayed me.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Bernie Sanders. So, yeah, I'm probably still a registered Democrat, but it doesn't matter.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

In the general election, I mean. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And like, another bone to pick with, like, our haters is when they're like, oh, well, you guys were Bernie bros, and now you're cynically pivoting. Well, there's nothing really cynical about the pivot. I think you were probably more of a Bernie bro than me, but I was always favorable toward Bernie Sanders.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I was a Bernie crap.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But, like, what's. What's wrong with changing your mind when exactly. The evidence, the data piles up.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

So much time has.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Voting for the Democrats is a really bad idea. We.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I was.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It's actually a good sign that your mind is adaptable and flexible enough that you can change your mind.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

The Democrats. Bernie betrayed me, and I didn't like the Democrats. I liked Bernie Sanders. And then he just got absorbed into the political machinery of the Democratic Party, which I never liked to begin with. And then a bunch of COVID All this stuff. All this stuff happened.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I don't like that kind of purity testing coming either from the left or the right. Like when they're like, oh, you're not communist enough, or you're not like, hard right enough? What are you talking about?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

No, you have to problem in a nutshell, that's the kind of the part of the Trump campaign that as being the common sense party, there Was that video where Trump said, we're the Common Sense Party. Are we? We're conservative, sort of. We might even be a little liberal. Like, that's how I feel. I'm like, I don't. You know, I don't necessarily feel politically aligned with either party. I just don't like establishment politics and think that they haven't been good for this country for a long time.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. For, like, the last 30, 50 years, whatever. And, like, what I love the most about Trump is that he is, like a classic old school New York Democrat who loves gays and Jews. And it's amazing that that guy is now the figurehead, the leader of the Republican Party.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. It's inspiring.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. You can be anything you want to be, anything you put your mind to.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Madison Square Garden. Yeah. Sold out venue, 20,000 people.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Is that how many people were in the building?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, basically. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That's also. I mean, it feels like, obviously, very energizing, exhilarating to be in a venue of that size with so many. And it was, like, pretty. I heard a lot of people grouching in the crowd about how disorganized it was and how long the lines were, but it was actually, I felt pretty well organized and well run, considering.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And there was absolutely.

[Anna Khachiyan]

This is something. I don't know whether it's a good or a bad thing. Opposition. Shout out to Gavin Wax for getting us in there real fast.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But, yeah, even I heard the general admittance wasn't so bad.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. It seems like most people got in registered and got tickets.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Definitely. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Oh, I wanted to ask you who your favorite speaker was.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Taki.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Taki.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. He's talked about seeing the Grateful Dead there.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I know. I was like, clap. I was wearing my Grateful Dead low rise ran shorts in honor of Phil Lesh, who had just died. And I swear to God, like, five different guys came up to me and were like, did you know that guy? Just.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yes.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That's why I'm wearing the shorts, grandpa.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That's nice, though.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It was nice. I felt seen.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. It was like your Halloween.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Like, oh, you're horny for me and nagging me.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I wear my Ramundo jeans.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, they're. Those are good.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I did Americana. You were texting the night before about whether we should look sexy and classy or. I almost did the Joker T shirt, sweatpants, deplorables, you know, slob vibe.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But Maddie thought that we should look classy and political to show up all the conservatory women.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, but it's just not in a venue like that, you know, And I don't have a trouser really.

[Anna Khachiyan]

So it's actually hard to find a trouser.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Very hard.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I wish Raymundo would make a black, low rise, straight leg trouser. Okay, Raymundo, let me create a track. Please, Somebody in fashion, please. I have so many good ideas.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I still with a high rise trouser. American Apparel. Hey, Los Angeles apparel, they used to make a trouser like a linen pant that fit really great, but they haven't brought it back.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, as we said before, this is like the long torso versus short torso dialectic. You have a short as a long torso girl. You can get away with a high waist as a short torso girl. It makes me look like ten pounds of shit in a five pound bag. So I have to go with like the mid to low rise.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

So true.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Which was like a learning curve. Figuring that out because everybody wants to wear high rise. Because you think it's going to give you like more curve. Well, it just makes you look like a side table.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, I have the longer torso and I also feel like I have a weirdly big head.

[Anna Khachiyan]

No, you have.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

No, I'm surprised. Honestly. This isn't even something people online have said about me that I've internalized. It's like, surprise. People online don't mention it more when they're hating on me. Maybe they do, but there are always.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Things that, like, you're surprised that people online don't pick up on, which they should. Like, they'll say that we have big feet because, like the nature of the iPhone camera is when you take the picture, your feet are like warped and skewed and look bigger than they are. But they like won't pick up on certain things like.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Big head.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Big head or man hands or something.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

A vascular.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But yeah, no, for I feel like my favorite speaker was Melania.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, she was incredible.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Because she just stands in stark contrast to all the other conservative women. Because guess what? She's not conservative. Like, conservative women, it's like the Nietzsche thing. Nietzsche, whatever. Like, women who are like overly aggressively identified as right wing always have something seriously wrong with them. Even if they are like bright and smart and persuasive.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

They got a twisted glint in the eye that you can see from a mile away. These are crazy.

[Anna Khachiyan]

My theory is that aggressively liberal women are sexual sadists and aggressively conservative women are sexual masochists.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Interesting. I could see the inverse being true.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Me too. But that's why I'm going with this theory. Because a lot of these like right wing broads are very publicly aggressive and ideological.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But are actually probably quite submissive in private.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Sure.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I don't know where I'm going with this theory, but Melania, what I love motivates black guys. They. They beaten that up. But like, I think the thing that I love the most about Melania is that there's this like really charming disconnect between her, like Amazonian physicality and her tiny voice.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like, she's a very big, tall woman.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But her gait is very light. It's very, you know.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But then she has this very feminine submissive and. And she speaks in this kind of ESL AI voice.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It's very poetic, you know, and she's.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like very kind of deferential and charming and she was playing demure, if you will.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. So cute.

[Anna Khachiyan]

With like a genuine grin on her face. Which is like a moment that you don't see from Melania very often because she's like a stone faced Eastern European woman.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Who has to like maintain composure and save face at all times, which she gets attacked for.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

People did not like her austere Christmas decorations.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That's true.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But after Jill Biden did that like Broadway like, nutcracker thing that made you feel like there was a gay guy with a boot on your neck watching it, I really missed, you know, the understated quality that Melania brought to the film.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And I love that. Like, nobody really knows anything about her. Nobody knows what she's thinking at any given moment. She handles it with like, good grace. Yeah. But like, we're not really going to get an inside look at Melania's private passions.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

No. But the book will have its own, you know, we'll read it and I like. But it'll.

[Anna Khachiyan]

What I really find relatable about Melania is that she is like a boring, responsible, mature adult who doesn't really advertise or broadcast her like, private passions.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I don't really care. Do you? Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

She's almost like lacking in personality, which I like. Like, I think that's how you should be in the world.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. She doesn't inflict herself. She's very. Yeah, she's wonderful.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Elon.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. I think him bringing his mom and his son was really cute. I liked his little autistic gestures. He's really grown on me.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He had a new type of maga hat.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

With gothic maga.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It's a best seller now. And then he had the goth one.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. I'm like charmed by his redditness, you know. And I like that he is, like, the richest guy in the world. Yeah, that really is like. I'm like, it's awesome that this guy's up here right now and he's the richest guy in the world. And he made the Rockets. Trump talked about the Rockets. Of course.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And when people, like, try to talk down to him and they're like, oh, he's not that bright. He's not that special.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It's not that he's not bright or spot. He's only special. It's that he's, like, autistic.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. He's a gay nerd, which makes him vulnerable to criticism. I really liked Vivek's comment when he said, like, people ask me all the time, like, vivek, why are you in New York when you can be campaigning in a swing state? State. And he was like, well, guess what? New York is a swing state.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, we'll see, we'll see.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But that's actually what they're saying about New Jersey and New York, and that's kind of hopeful and inspiring. And realistically, I was thinking another thing that contributed to, like, the energy and momentum of the evening and that's reflective of the campaign in general, is that Trump really has, this time around a really impressive pool of talent. He does. I know that sounds, like, really gay and delusional. No, it's true.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, totally. Like, Elon Musk is a very powerful person. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like, anybody who is capable of thinking for themselves is on Team Trump.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I don't. Yeah, but I, I agree. But I don't think it's fair because the echo chamber is so real.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But you think about, like, last time Trump won, like, who did he have? Like, Sean Spicer and Anthony Scaramucci and these, like, weird oddballs.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, no, there's definitely. There's been.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And bridge burners.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

There's been a shift, you know, but.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, and it's like, okay, like, I was thinking about, like, who was on stage that night. Like, I have my issues with Vivek, but he's obviously, like, very bright and persuasive and says all the right things.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That black guy, Myron.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I don't know his name.

[Anna Khachiyan]

The black guy who looked like Ice Cube.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He's like a congressman.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I was like, cool black. Cool based black guy, you know, interesting.

[Anna Khachiyan]

He was kind of cute in the way that Tariq Nasheed is. I like a thick black man. Yeah. And it's like, okay, Vance, who again, also has his flaws, but he's like the kind of Reasonable, articulate compliment to Trump's meme magic. It's really nice to have a thoughtful and intelligent guy in the running for once who's not a total. I like that he's like scrolling right wing Twitter but not totally beholden to it.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I like that he's the future of the GOP because he is young. All these people are relatively young.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

V's young too. He mention he was bragging about the youngest young for politics to run. Well, you have to be 35 to run for practice. I can't even run.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I'm too young for politics. I shouldn't even, you know, Elon. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like, okay, he's cringe and corny and probably not the best dad ever, but he's also a guy who is the richest man in the world and he has a positive vision for society. Society. And I think that he's really moved the needle as far as other tech oligarchs go. So you have like guys like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos kind of gesticulating to the fact that they're open to Trump. Maybe they haven't fully endorsed him. I mean, we can talk about the WAIPO and LA Times, like non endorsements, but it's like Bezos owns the Washington Post. That seems like kind of a big deal, tucker.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, Mr. America is like such a class act. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And he has that like Taurus man energy where he's kind of a homebody but down for a fight.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I'm using my dry mask.

[Anna Khachiyan]

You're like cancer patients, right?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. And it's all these, like, a lot of broadcasters.

[Anna Khachiyan]

You said outstanding, exceptionally relatively young people.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, no, it was for the most part. Yeah. But it just went on so long and they. Well, early on they brought out the live painter.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Oh.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Scott Lobido, who I saw in the news today, also talking about how the art worlds rejected him for his politics when, you know, that's not quite the case.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It was so hilarious when he went on stage and he was like, I came to New York City like bright eyed, bushy tailed, hoping to be accepted by the art world. And they rejected me because I liked God, girls and guns. And it's like, that's not why they rejected you. Come on now. It's because you're cuz you're a vulgar.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Weird guy who makes bad art. And at one point he said, I got a message for the art world. He did two middle fingers and then he made a live painting of a flag, a billowing American flag. And then at the End. He pulled a tab that revealed a photoshopped image of Trump hugging the Eiffel Tower.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Wait, no, it was the Empire State.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, the Empire State Building.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Now, he's amazing because his paintings look like Jasper John's Child Hassan. It's like the textbook image from history class of all the American flags billowing. But it's, like, vulgar and retarded.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, it's. And that was really exciting. And so I wish that they had done something like that, like, midway through.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Because after that, it was a real slog.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Like. But, like, who do the Democrats have? They have, like, Beyonce and Leonardo DiCaprio and, like, AOC's possibly pregnant ass and, like, that fat girl who works for Joe Biden.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Like, I don't know who I mean. The other of the other rallies I've been to, the first being a very sparsely attended Bernie rally in Lincoln Heights, Los Angeles, a very impoverished Hispanic neighborhood where I was living in a live.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Workspace.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

With my libertarian roommate Dennis. And we went. And he actually also was sort of receptive to Bernie because he was very, like, wonky. He was talking about fixing potholes. He was really, you know, And I don't remember him having any speakers, though maybe he did. And then the second time when he announces. But again, I went with Adam to see him at Brooklyn College that I remember. And he had that. What's that white black guy?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Sean King.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. Talcom X. And, like, he had all these, like, establishment Dems kind of coming out and, like, making him seem more woke and more. Which huge misfire. So I don't know who they have. I mean, I watched the dnc. They also had, you know, they had, like, disabled people and, like, I'm a little sister and like, all random.

[Anna Khachiyan]

It's like the D. Linka rally, which. What's like the German Socialist Party, where they had literally, like, an AGP and like, a black guy in a wheelchair, like, the new face of Germany.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That's awesome. It was literally, like, funny.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like, when conservatives take to Twitter and use their scant knowledge of art history to be like, this is like the Weimar era. No wonder Hitler sent them all to the camps.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And look. Yeah, look at these beautiful Hitler paintings and stuff. But I bet they don't even have Beyonce.

[Anna Khachiyan]

No, I think they probably do.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Really?

[Anna Khachiyan]

I feel like Beyonce must be on Team Kamala.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, she is, but she's. I don't think she's going showing.

[Anna Khachiyan]

She's not showing up to rallies. I. I remember my favorite part of the Kamala Harris opportunity agenda. For black men was when everybody started tweeting out the picture of Sean King.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That's so funny. Oh, a. Okay.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Megan Kelly. What is on Trump's side? Even after he said all that foul about her beating all of her plastic surgery scars. Cardi B is Kamala dj.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

This is the list of people performing at Kamala's Milwaukee rally on Friday. Cardi B. Which. Okay, I'm surprised by that. DJ Gemini, Gilly Flo, Millie, the Eilee Brothers, MC Isley Brothers.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Oh my God.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

MC Light.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Another rap act I used to listen to Glorill.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And that's it.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Damn, I do.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That's interesting.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Before I forget, have one minor bone to pick with Megan Kelly.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. What?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Because she's been on fire lately. She's been looking hotter and ever. She's always been such a beautiful woman, but like, lately the glow up has been so insane. And I didn't think it was humanly possible to look that good after 50, which is honestly also inspiring and hopeful. But she was, you know, she was on Bill Maher, totally, like owning the trans lobby, describing in gruesome detail what trans kids actually entail. She was on some like, conference stage with Chamath, talking about how like, the lawfare against Trump is totally trumped up and she's been really, really good lately. But I saw like some live stream with her where she was talking about how the Trump rally was brotastic and the rhetoric was alienating to potential female Trump voters, which I have to say feels untrue.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He hasn't, you know, he hasn't gone on a female podcast.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That's. That is true.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It's. It was. There were definitely like some guys there who made me glad I. They weren't serving alcohol, you know, that's true. Like, but it wasn't overwhelming. It wasn't. But there. Yeah, I would say there was a.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Lot of women in attendance.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

There were, of course. Yeah. I, I would never say it was like the defining characteristic, but I see what she means, I guess.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And like, they brought a couple bimbos out. Like.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, but I guess my question to her is like, well, number one, why wasn't she speaking? She should have taken the stage.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

She really should have. I know.

[Anna Khachiyan]

She would have done an amazing job. And number two, like, what kind of.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Change you want to see?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yes. And. But also, like, what kind of rhetoric would you feel is sufficiently woman friendly? Like, do you want Trump to weigh in on abortion, a nuclear issue that he can't really touch and that he's actually been Pretty upfront about that. He's like, not. Not that interested in an abortion ban, and it does make exceptions for, like, rape and incest and the quality of life of the mother and. Or the child.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He obviously is like, do you want.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Him to talk about, like, age gap relationships? Like.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Well, that's sort of. Yeah, the. The question. That begs the question, like, what even is a woman's age issue?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. You know, it's abortion.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It's kind of, unfortunately, in America because there are so many childless, abortive women.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It is kind of the women's issue par excellence. And any rhetoric about, like, families isn't necessarily, like, female coded. But was it Vance who said that they were going to introduce a. Like a tax incentive for people taking care of family members?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Maybe that sounds like a Vanceism.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You know, like, there is, like, that's. A lot of women are taking care of family members. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Not just children, but the elderly.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like, exempting children, like, anyone who's caring for a family member.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And. But she did have that really good line where she was like, listen, I'm inoffensible. I'm not offended by anything.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

So I don't really fully understand why she had to go with that line in that moment.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Maybe she's mad he won't go on her show.

[Anna Khachiyan]

He would, though.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I don't know if he would because he's. She's, you know, been hostile to him in the past. He might have a grudge.

[Anna Khachiyan]

She's what?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

She's been hostile to him in the past.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I know, but, like, he was the one.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He said, she's bleeding out of her eyes. She's bleeding out of her.

[Anna Khachiyan]

No, I know. He said some really, actually horrific, foul things about her.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

She probably was on her period, though. She was being a weird to him.

[Anna Khachiyan]

She probably still gets her period.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Right.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But no, I think it's actually, like, very cool and brave of her to be on Team Trump, even though he really just, like, in fully, unapologetically insulted.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Her, said she was on her period. But that's not. Sometimes you are on your period and you're being unreasonable. And.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, that's the thing with us women. We can't be trusted because we will always have a woman moment.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, exactly. That's why Kamala should be the president, because women are unstable. They have hormonal. They have. Well, they have hormonal fluctuations that cause them to feel.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, I was thinking about this with regard to Hillary because I saw Azalea Banks tweeting About how, like, Trump is actually much more conscientious and humane than people give him credit for. And Kamala's like a monster and an automaton. And you're. If you vote for Kamala and how she's nostalgic for Hillary Clinton. And I sometimes get the same impression where I'm like, oh, like Hillary Clinton, Anything. Anything is better than this. Like, better. Like, now we have, like, AOC in the squad. Yeah, like, anything is better than the new crop of female Democrat politicians. But then I remember, like, the famous Christopher Lausch essay. It's not that famous. It's actually completely obscure and no one's read it but me.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Famous on this podcast, as in which.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Is my favorite thing that he's ever wrote. Not like Revolt of the Elites, not the Culture of Narcissism. It's Hillary Clinton, Child Saver, which was like an essay from the 90s that I've referenced many times in this pod where he talks about how the Hillary lobby wanted to reform education in America by arguing that children were individuals and as such were like any other special interest group that deserved representation in American political life. And Lash clapped back at this viciously and was like, okay, everyone, even the most progressive social reformers and social scientists of, like, the late 19th, early 20th century were on the record as saying that, like, well, children are not the same as any other special interest group, like women or blacks or other minorities, because they're literally in an earlier developmental stage and cannot be trusted to make decisions in their own best interest. And it's like, I have a toddler. Like, if it were up to him, he would be watching TV and eating candy all day.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

We saw his Halloween costume.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, we would have to airlift him out of here.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, of course.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Because he would be like Big Pun and Fat Joe maxing. And the other point that is the more important point is this idea that, like, the Hillary Clintonites of the world wanted to shift the burden of proof onto parents from educators, bureaucrats, social workers, guidance counselors, these random strangers who purported to be, like, the guardians of American children. Which is preposterous, because the assumption should be that the parents are the most fit.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

What do you mean by the burden of proof?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like, to demonstrate fitness.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, oh, yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Which is ridiculous, right? It's preposterous because of course, like, just.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Let some psychopath ruin your kids life.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Some, like, random stranger who's, like, hired and credentialed and like, the fact of the matter is, like, Democrats love to do this thing where they, like, fixate on extreme fringe cases of, like, neglect and abuse to argue that actually, experts.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And educators, the state should step in and.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Right. And Lash's fundamental argument was that these people want to pretend that children should be represented as individuals, but really want to make them and their parents like, perma clients of, like, the Democratic welfare state, which is so true. And when you really think about it, Hillary Clinton, as much as I get nostalgic for her from time to time, was the one who, like, initiated the slippery slope that led to trans kids, even though she, at the time, couldn't have seen it coming and probably didn't want it. Like, I think if you. If you.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But they. That's the thing. The Clintons are so nefarious.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

As he said, like, they. We talked about this on, like, our Haiti episode. Episode. Like, they. We don't. You know, we don't talk about neoliberalism so much anymore, but they really laid the groundwork. They were, like, foundational. Yes. In, like, what has followed.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And they're. They're, like, really foundational on the attack on America's children.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Nafta, therefore, America's future. The Clintons destroyed America. Like, I think there's a spirit, a case to be made for that.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And. And, like, so when people condescend to me about being a Trump supporter, it's like, what are you talking about? Like, this country's broken.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I know. What did Glenn Greenwald say? You lost in the most embarrassing way possible.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I know. I just wanted us a little filler. I wanted that Glenn Greenwald glow on the debate or the. Not the election night live stream, you know, But I guess I have to go to Brazil. I don't know. I just wanted to look fantastic like Glenn Greenwald, but not in Brandon's on the flyer. He's too good for.

[Anna Khachiyan]

He hates. Very wise.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Right. He's. Yeah, he doesn't. He's anti.

[Anna Khachiyan]

We just have to wear our maga hats.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

No, I'm gonna look classy.

[Anna Khachiyan]

So Frank Luntz has a meltdown. Are you girls really smoking cigarettes?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Oh, I hope they let us at least. The thing about the rally, too, that I hated was that they don't let you vape.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Why not?

[Anna Khachiyan]

Because Trump said it's like the Maddie Hassan Ryan Jerdu ski thing because there might be an explosive in the vape.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Explosive in the vape. And Trump said he was going to bring back the flavored vapes, which is something I wanted to talk to him about on this female. Yeah, he didn't talk about vapes he didn't talk about incandescent bulbs. No one talked about the real female issues.

[Anna Khachiyan]

This is why you should be the press secretary and I should be the border czar.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You'd be a great border's eye.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I'll be sending them back selectively. Yeah, I'm just like, I would Sephora gift cards for all of you. It's like, you know when you go on a plane and it's like overbooked and they're like, we'll give you $500,000 to take the next plane out of Colorado. And you're like sitting there and it's always like some rock and gay lesbian with like a missing leg and a sweatsuit who takes the bait.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, I would be really good at.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Incentivizing illegal immigrants to leave in a peaceful and generous manner. I would not put anybody into camps. I would not separate any families.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Of course not. There's some Scandinavian country that gives them quite a sizable amount of money, honestly.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That I heard about. I don't. I don't know the details, but I heard about something like that. I think it's not viable to send them all back, but like, some of them can be incentivized, you know, and we should definitely stop more of them from coming. It seems like. Sorry to say I don't. You know.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. I mean, I have a lot of thoughts on immigration, which I probably should not air upon this podcast.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, it's just so. To me, it's not even about like the immigrants refugees who have like a humanitarian normal care for. It said the Democrats use them to vote for that. That they create a popular population. Yes. To vote for them. Which seems insanely corrupt and evil.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

They're like vote buying and make them like boards. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Of the state that it is like when people are like, oh, well, like the great replacement theory is like a harebrained right wing conspiracy. It's actually not because Democrats are importing like busloads, plane loads of people the United States whose children will then vote Democrat.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And I mean, their children might not. Not necessarily, but they for sure. Well, because that's who.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But they are at bare minimum, like replacing voters with bought and paid for agents who are being used as pawns.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I have like actually like at the end of the day, great sympathy for people and families. It's super hard for the journey.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And I hate the fact that people have to leave where they live and go live somewhere else amongst. Because of the Clintons among strangers. And like, maybe their quality of life is like materially better, but it's not necessarily spiritually.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I don't think it's materially better.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I think for some people it, it is sure. Like if you live in a war torn ass, like there's like war like El Salvador, you know, or something.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like for sure El Salvador was nice now.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It is nice now. But before, you know, like if you are living like under constant threat of like murder and gang violence, of course living in America, doing whatever is.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, it seems like if you're a country that resists the urge of capitulating to American imperialism, which is extremely costly and painful, that you can make your country a safe place to live in and people then don't want to leave.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, yeah, people in El Salvador are very happy now, but you'll be totally.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Destroyed and, but who cares?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, but your date, like I don't know, you're just a Salvadorian person now.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I'm like making a case for Bukele.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You're just, I mean Bukele did a hundred percent the right thing. I he there. The El Salvador was the most dangerous country in the world and now it's. I saw the people there be like, like people love Bukele there. He's very good.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like people get got really mad at the tweet that I fired off during the rally which was like obviously a mean and negative been Unvivc's extremely positive and inspiring comments. When he was like talking about how he has a message for everyone, he was like, I have a message for zoomers, I have a message for women, I have a message for legal immigrants. Like if you came to this country lawfully according to the standard established protocol, you deserve to be here. You deserve to live a life of dignity and abundance and you will be equally represented. That was essentially Vivek's message. And I, during the rally I was, I made a mean joke, mean tweet where I was like, our message to legal immigrants is you're going back to. This is very, very clearly a joke. People got mad at me. But there is a kernel of truth and in a way they're right to get angry at me because there is a big problem with legal immigration that almost as bad, if not worse than the problem with illegal immigration. Because when you replace Americans with immigrants legally at a rapid fire pace, those people are really not going to have the same cultural values and norms.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Well, the issue is what the quotas are for legal. Yeah, immigrations, like if it's legal for like Haiti, all those people are legal immigrants.

[Anna Khachiyan]

They're like, technically legal. Right.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

They're not illegal. Like, illegal just doesn't just mean, like, scary. Like, there's tons of legal immigrants that Democrats once again bring here to vote for them.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

So they are legally here.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

They may not be citizens.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Loopholes and technicalities. Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But they're here on visas or they, like, some of them.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Are naturalized. And then, I mean, that's like, that's just clearly so problematic. Okay.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like, yeah, legal immigrant. I don't object to legal immigration.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, you're really. You can't. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I'm not so delusional and arrogant and hypocritical as to say, like, after me and my family, the door slam shut.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. You don't want to leave. You don't want to go back to Russia.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yes, but I'm willing to take that.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

L. You're willing to go back to Russia?

[Anna Khachiyan]

If you want to deport me for the health of the nation, by all means. I have to bring my American baby and my American baby daddy with me. That's my criteria. But okay, if you. If you want to send me back, by all means. But like, when you.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

No, I. I'm not going back. When you. I'm not going back to Belarus.

[Anna Khachiyan]

When you bring in a bunch of people who come from fundamentally incompatible cultures legally at a rapid fire pace that presents its own problems. That's not an opinion. It's not a judgment. It's not a subjective thing. It is literally true. And you can agree or disagree with whether that's a good or bad thing, but you can't deny that that is a reality is all I'm saying.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Well, people just conflate immigrants into a broad category.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I'm willing to listen to the argument.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

There are.

[Anna Khachiyan]

We have to make our lives richer and more diverse.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Sure. In some. We have to allow prosperous people from other countries who want to live here to live here. Let's see what America is about. Like, yeah, but we. What the Democrats have done. We is not.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Is like flagrantly corrupt, totally crazy. And like, legal immigration is good as long as, like, what is counts as legal immigration makes sense for the country.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. And you can't deny that, like, people from.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Murderers and stuff. Like, you can't let a murder in here.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That's like illegal immigrants. Right. And like I said before, they're given some kind of. Everybody agrees that there's a problem with illegal immigration. Whether you're right wing or left wing. The. The difference comes down to what you think the problem is.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like right wingers hate non white minorities and don't want them in the country, period. Left wingers think that it's a problem of like resources and amnesty and there's not enough of it going around and that sort of thing. But with legal immigration it becomes a much tougher problem because as I said before, they're tax paying, they're law abiding, they're very often high achieving.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

This is from NBC. More than 13,000 immigrants convicted of homicide are living outside of ICE detention. They are part of ISIS non detained docket, meaning the agency has some information. But they are pending immigrant cases in the US but they are not currently in detention either because they're not prioritized for detention.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But that's like, that's illegal immigration. Those are illegal immigrants. Those are the people that were, that they were, you know, the ads that they were streaming during the rally.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But that's so many.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, that's insane and unconscionable.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But everybody agrees most immigrants. Okay.

[Anna Khachiyan]

What I'm talking about is the thing that I tried to say 20 truths with the vic.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Okay, yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Which is that when you import massive numbers of legal immigrants from non western cultures, you are going to have a cultural crisis because there is going to be a fundamental objective, not subjective. Not my opinion, not up for a debate. Cultural clash because people have different values and norms and I mean. And at some point that level of immigration will reach a critical mass where America no no longer resembles itself. And you may think that that's good or you may think that that's bad but you have to accept that that's what's going to happen.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Well, okay, so like the naturalization process.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Per this NBC News article, more than only 49 of immigrants in the US are naturalized.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Okay.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

US citizens. The rest are either like permanent residents, legal, temporary residence, I. E. They're like Huron. They have some refugees or work visa Status and then 23, which is a lot are under or unauthorized undocumented. But the process of naturalization is meant.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Ideally right to like to vat and filter people.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. And you literally. My parents literally had to take like a test about America. You know, you like how you have to.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And yeah, by the way, I say this like with full acknowledgement of the fact that if I had to take that test, I would not pass it. I don't know how my parents passed it. My dad I can see, but my mom, I don't know.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You would study.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, I don't.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But regardless, they are, you know, the test itself is sort of arbitrary but there is a process by which immigrants are naturalized. That's what naturalization means. It means you like are adhering to, but less than half of the immigrants are naturalized. But ideally the process of naturalization would account for, would be what you're describing, which would account for like the cultural differences. It would mean that you like have internalized, naturalized in some way. Like American values, American, you know, and obviously you'll be different, but that's, you'll be able to assimilate.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yes, it's like the, the Cutahy ordeal of civility thing where you. We agree to have some holidays that represent you in exchange for you agreeing to assimilate and adapt and become kind of a deracinated American.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

A naturalized person. Yeah, that's the American dream.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And by the way, I'm going to sound like a huge libtard here, but I like immigrants. Like I live in downtown Chinatown, New York City.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I love immigrants. I live in by the U.N. we're all immigrants. We've contributed to this country. We deserve to stay here.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. But I would just like a basic acknowledgment of the fact that the foundational culture of America will be profoundly altered.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

If a large amount of immigrants are allowed to come in who aren't naturalized correctly. But that could be different. It's not an immigration issue necessarily. I mean the volume is the issue. But you know, you can like, you can have immigrants and you can naturalize them. You can. That's. Yeah, the vision.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And there are some people like Vivek, he's naturalized. Who?

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Usha Vance, she's a naturalized immigrant who are.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, he's the, he's the child of immigrants. I don't know about Usha. I don't know if she's an immigrant or the child of immigrants. Possibly a child of immigrants, regardless. Yeah. But these are people who seem to have at least an intellectual grasp of the founding American myth.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, but the thing is like, you know, like my parents are liberals.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And that's because that's like. And a lot of the thing is there aren't like Anglo sax. There's not. The WASP is dead.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yes.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

The wasps are all live tards. So when immigrants like assimilate into, you know, they like become, they become the new WASPs. Yeah. Because they want to be high achieving. And that's the signaling of the Democratic Party is that like, you know, like you don't want to be like deplorable and down market by voting for Trump. You want to be like good and prosperous and civil and American. Like Democrats. So like, ushavans and people like that are like, exemptions really, like, what it means to be an American is, like, complicated.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And for a lot of people, it is like. Yeah. It's like holding these, like, liberal values that they.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Valley like values like tolerance and fair play, which come back to bite you in the ass when they're stuck. Too much of them.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. But that's very WASPy. Also, in a paradoxical way, it's like.

[Anna Khachiyan]

The WASPs are argument against the right wing because it's like, well, you forfeited your own civilization. You laid down and took it.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, no, they have. WASPs are. So they have this, like, white man's burden. And like, they're either, like alcoholics or they become, like, hyper therapy. Kind of like, lived hard, you know, and that's like. There's. It's the. That standard is very, like, diffused. You know, when I went to the Huda Abedin purse party in the Hamptons that I got randomly, mistakenly invited to when Maddie and I went to that, it was like, all those people were WASPs.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And it is that kind of, like, WASP politeness.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That is almost like the problem with, like, Democrats, you know, is that they have this decorum. That's why Trump is offensive to them. You know, they hate, like, this, like, vulgar tone of maga.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But I think what MSG really made me feel, and I think obviously not like, you know, people calling it a Nazi rally and stuff, but actually, I was like, no, this is actually extremely, like, civilized and humane was, like, friendly and congenial.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Like.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But, like, people like Vance, like, you know, they're not. He's definitely not a wasp. Vivec's not a wasp.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Like, the future of.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I mean, Vance is a white man married to an Indian woman.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. He went to Yale, but he, like, you know, it's from a. He's a, you know, a hick.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He's definitely, like, he had his own ordeal of civility.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, he sure did that. He did.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. But it was an ordeal.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. So, like, I guess, like, to make a long story short, I'm not against legal immigration. Obviously, I cannot be, but I think the. The process has to be really, like, contained, controlled.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You're against excessive immigration, like, across the board. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And I don't, like. That's why I keep. I'm, like, sounding like Richard Spencer now.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I don't think so. I think you're making.

[Anna Khachiyan]

No, I literally am, because he had a tweet about this earlier where he. Where he Was like we have more to fear from legal immigration versus illegal immigration.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean they're not murderers, hopefully the legal immigrants.

[Anna Khachiyan]

No, well, that's the thing. They're definitely not that. They are actually way scary again, very law abiding, tax paying, by the book, relatively conservative citizens who do the right thing and love their family.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

So what's wrong?

[Anna Khachiyan]

I mean, nothing exactly. Other than that they will profoundly alter not only the demography, but the culture of America as is.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But they always have.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But they always have and they will.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

America was. I think of America really as a Jewish country. And the way the Trump campaign don't.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Think of America as a Jewish country.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean the way we're. Everyone's shilling for Israel. Like, you know, Jews really built this, you know.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, Israel's really getting on my New York.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

They made.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I'm kind of sick of Israel.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I'm not even doing a pro Zionist like. But I'm talking about mayor. Like New York, Hollywood. Like America as a concept is, you know, the Jews made that. The Jews made advertising. The Jews made marketing. The Jews, they made Christmas music. They made everything. They made everything that we like hold dear.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

And so culturally like.

[Anna Khachiyan]

But Jews are an interesting case because they are rootless cosmopolitans who have no country and no land. All these other groups that are coming in now do have very distinct identities.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

They have Israel and America.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Distinct nationalities. Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

They have two countries.

[Anna Khachiyan]

They're literally like dipping their hands into both pots and then rubbing them together curiously.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

You mean Indians and Chinese.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yes.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. I mean the Chinese are pretty, you know, they have their Chinatowns and they're pretty. They kind of keep to themselves.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

The Indians I didn't. Don't have negative associations with.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But can understand, you know, why some would especially because they're so high achieving, you know. But I definitely. Yeah. I mean when Honor came on here, I was talking about the Indian country. I was, I was like, what it is the Indians.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I mean Indians are very impressive and remarkable. They're like the new Jews. It. That was Honor's point that we've gone from the Jewish century to the Indian century.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I'm holding up for the Rusan century where the Ruthenian Ruthenia is going to rise. People don't understand there's this niche, kind of nebulous Eastern European group.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

That's actually. Yeah. Well rise to great prominence.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I mean, obviously I like everyone and get along with everyone and want everybody to prosper and succeed. But like on a theoretical, like aspirational level, I do believe in like the Anglo myth of greatness.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I like.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Even though Anglos are fundamentally disappointing.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

They are, they drop the ball. It's their fault. I'm really, I. You know, the race mixing seems intriguing and good. You know you would say that, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I'm looking forward to your interracial baby.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

So many races. I asked Razeeb. So yeah, my, my boyfriend's obviously a quarter Indian. Yeah. Via Trinidad. And I sent razeeb the 23 of me. I was almost gonna ask Steve and I was like, you know what? I was like, don't bug, don't bug. Steve hit receive with the sun, especially because he's Indian. But he was like, he said the Trinidadian Indians are like mongrels. And so all that data is like useless basically. Okay.

[Anna Khachiyan]

They're like the Belarusians there.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

It's. Yeah, they like have their own thing going on. Yeah. So it's like Bengali, north, South, Sri Lankan. It's like throwing out everything.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Nicki Minaj, who just endorsed Trump.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Well, she's Afro Caribbean.

[Anna Khachiyan]

She's part Indian.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

She is mirage.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. She has a fully Indian last name. Wow, she's a beautiful Indian.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

She endorse Trump out of a Bollywood movie. Cardi B. That's disappointing.

[Anna Khachiyan]

That's disappointing because historically Dominicans have been some of Trump's most loyal soldiers.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, I know, that's surprising.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And Cardi B also seems like contrary to her reputation as like a stripper and a grocery store clerk. Very.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Not reality. Reality TV star, much like Donald J. Trump.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, she's, she's very bright and with it. Yeah, she's not retarded.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

She sounds retarded. Yeah, but, but so do we. Yeah, but she's. Yeah, she's has wisdom, but who knows? I don't know what's, what's going on with her these days. Yeah, I hadn't heard of any of the other black people, but as a hip hop historian, you were, you were familiar.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I mean, a lot of rappers are pro Trump because they have the same lifestyle.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah, I mean, well, they just also, they don't. A lot of. I've said this before, I don't think black people like being like pandered to and told they have to vote for like quasi vaguely black candidate.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of black people are basically like a lot of people period, in that they're like sheeple and corny and just like followers. But among them, of course, they're exceptional individuals who are self made.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I don't know, it'll be interesting to see the polling data, because black people go on tick tock and they. They know what's going on.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I mean, I think we like to think this, but probably the polling data is not so flattering in most black people who are voters or Democrats. That's what I'm assuming.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Like, I really don't know.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I think that was.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I feel like I'm. Maybe I'm, like, delusional.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I think there's probably a strong minority of black men who really like Trump and we'll vote for him.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And there's probably like, a less strong but more populous minority of black men who like Trump and what he stands for but will not make it to the polls.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Right.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Because they. On the corner, they're caught up. Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

They're busy. They don't register to vote for sure. But still there's. I don't know. My trainer told me he's gonna vote for Trump.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah. Damn. Even after all that Haitian rigamarole.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He doesn't care.

[Anna Khachiyan]

He doesn't give a.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

He doesn't give a.

[Anna Khachiyan]

He doesn't even know. He doesn't like, what year he was born.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, black guys don't love black women. Yeah. There's a Freudian. They don't, you know.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But they don't have positive associations.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Well, but that's like any man who has no positive associations with his own kind of woman. He's, like, trying to flee her by marrying an Asian.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

But white guys will fall in love, you know, white men for. Call for Kamala. Yeah. You know, white guys, they're. I don't know. They're higher in cooperativeness. Whatever. Do we have? Should we call it. We did an hour 45.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Oh, yeah, that's fine.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

We've gone on, like, what else could. Some racial tyrants.

[Anna Khachiyan]

I. I was gonna complain about or not complain about, but, like, opine about the waipo and LA Times. Think. But I don't even think we need to because there's nothing to be said.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

I mean, it's. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

And I'm, like, fine with letting sleeping dogs lie.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

For sure. It's. No one reads that. And people just read the New York Post. Yeah.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Which heartily left Anders Trump constantly. Yeah.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Okay. Well, I guess. Yeah. We'll see you guys after the election. All right.

[Anna Khachiyan]

Catch us on the Barry Weiss.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Yeah. Check us out on the Free Press live stream on YouTube. And we'll see you in hell.

[Anna Khachiyan]

We'll see you in hell.

[Dasha Nekrasova]

Ra.