Tis the Sisson

Summary

Red Scare Podcast: Episode Summary – "Tis the Sisson"

Release Date: March 27, 2025

Hosts: Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova
Podcast Title: Red Scare
Description: Red Scare is a cultural commentary podcast hosted by bohemian layabouts Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova.

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1. Opening Remarks and Personal Updates [00:23 - 01:48]

The episode begins with Anna and Dasha exchanging greetings amidst the sound of rain, setting a casual and intimate tone. They discuss their personal routines, including gym attendance and sobriety efforts.

Notable Quote:

• Dasha [00:51]: "I'm really good. I have been going to the gym and not drinking every day for a week, so I'm like firing on all cylinders."

2. Discussion on Homelessness and Societal Views [02:14 - 05:33]

The conversation shifts to the topic of homelessness, with Dasha addressing criticism she received for her comments. She differentiates between the poor, the homeless, and "bums," exploring the complexities and societal perceptions of each group. They discuss how some choose homelessness as an "aspirational lifestyle" and the emergence of a "semi-functional parallel society."

Notable Quotes:

• Dasha [02:14]: "It is an aspirational lifestyle. Like mentally ill injection drug users are people who have chosen to live a life on the street because they don't want the responsibility of having to integrate into normal society."
• Anna [04:48]: "White bums are some of the worst ones."

3. Harry Sasson Scandal and Influencer Behavior [09:40 - 21:37]

Anna and Dasha delve into the controversy surrounding Harry Sasson, a Democratic influencer accused of soliciting explicit content from multiple young women on platforms like Snapchat. They analyze the accusations, censorship, and public backlash, questioning the motivations behind both the influencer's actions and the responses from the community.

Notable Quotes:

• Anna [13:16]: "All of this sort of surfaced after he posted... all these girls got pissed. Formed a critical mass."
• Dasha [16:47]: "He's like Mahmoud Khalif. No crime was committed."

4. Media's Handling of COVID-19 Origins and Lab Leak Theory [35:05 - 84:43]

The hosts critically examine media coverage and scientific discourse surrounding the origins of COVID-19. They highlight the suppression of the lab leak hypothesis in favor of the natural origin theory, citing op-eds and articles that later acknowledge hidden biases and conflicts of interest within prominent institutions like the New York Times and scientific journals such as Nature Medicine and The Lancet.

Notable Quotes:

• Anna [83:54]: "It was like this very painful moment, confronting the darkest abyss of human nature."
• Dasha [84:43]: "This was all funded through U.S. based entities."

5. Vaccine Mandates, Public Health Policies, and Personal Impact [85:57 - 101:38]

Anna and Dasha discuss the implementation of vaccine mandates during the COVID-19 pandemic, their personal experiences with these policies, and the resulting societal tensions. They critique the ethical implications of mandating vaccines for certain populations and the resulting erosion of trust in medical institutions.

Notable Quotes:

• Dasha [100:15]: "I hate Dr. Fauci. Like, we wanted you to write a long essay about how feminists and libtards suck."
• Anna [124:38]: "We just really were happy to have to shower... it was all like so traumatic."

6. Intimacy Coordinators and Hollywood's Bureaucratic Overreach [45:34 - 51:59]

The conversation turns to the role of intimacy coordinators in Hollywood, with the hosts expressing skepticism about their necessity and effectiveness. They argue that the implementation of such roles hampers creativity and poses unnecessary constraints on actors during intimate scenes.

Notable Quotes:

• Anna [48:13]: "It's like the biggest racket for damaged people in Hollywood who need a new job."
• Dasha [50:44]: "You're aiming for naturalism and extremity. There's some fucking bitch with Sarah Stock bad posture hanging around by the catering table."

7. Reflections on Media Influence and Political Polarization [86:04 - 133:57]

Anna and Dasha reflect on the broader implications of media manipulation and political polarization, particularly in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic. They explore how censorship and the suppression of dissenting voices have fueled independent (often right-leaning) media growth, leading to increased societal divisions and mistrust in mainstream institutions.

Notable Quotes:

• Dasha [90:45]: "Independent media, which is basically at this point synonymous with right wing media, is almost entirely organically funded because their messaging resonates with people."
• Anna [115:06]: "Why are they even doing this? What do they do? Why are they doing this research that is so dangerous?"

8. Personal Experiences with Doxing and Online Harassment [34:07 - 40:35]

The hosts share personal anecdotes about being doxed and receiving online harassment, particularly from specific communities. They discuss the emotional toll of such experiences and the pervasive nature of online toxicity.

Notable Quotes:

• Anna [34:22]: "Hindu nationalists started gangstalking me and calling me on the phone for something."
• Dasha [40:35]: "It's like some guy being like this."

9. Societal Changes Post-Pandemic and Future Outlook [141:09 - 154:28]

In the concluding segments, Anna and Dasha speculate on the long-term societal changes resulting from the pandemic. They discuss the potential for future pandemics, the enduring impact on personal freedoms, and the psychological aftermath of widespread governmental and institutional overreach.

Notable Quotes:

• Dasha [150:37]: "We need to stop tampering with fate and playing God."
• Anna [152:41]: "They can just take away all your rights, like, over overnight."

Conclusion

In "Tis the Sisson," Anna Khachiyan and Dasha Nekrasova engage in a deeply critical and often contentious dialogue, addressing pressing social issues ranging from homelessness and influencer misconduct to media manipulation and the ramifications of the COVID-19 pandemic. Their candid reflections and provocative insights provide listeners with a raw and unfiltered perspective on contemporary cultural and political dynamics.

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Transcript

[Anna]

The rain.

[Dasha]

Hello.

[Anna]

Hi. Hello.

[Dasha]

Can you hear the rain?

[Anna]

I think it's nice.

[Dasha]

Yeah, maybe a little, but yeah, it can close the window. Okay.

[Anna]

Sure.

[Dasha]

Beats construction.

[Anna]

It's ambient. Do the lighter. Thank you. We're back.

[Dasha]

Hey. How's it going?

[Anna]

It's going okay. You seem good.

[Dasha]

I'm really good. I like have been going to the gym and not drinking every day for a week, so I'm like firing on all cylinders.

[Anna]

Yeah, same. I worked out four times this week.

[Dasha]

Nice. I mean, how many times do you usually work out?

[Anna]

Two.

[Dasha]

Okay. I work out like zero times for the last six months. So.

[Anna]

Yeah, I kind of feel like shit. But I've been going to Happier Grocer and drinking the 20 smoothie. No, I've also been drinking less because of my books maxing journey.

[Dasha]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Anna]

It's pretty boring.

[Dasha]

It is. Yeah.

[Anna]

But it's okay.

[Dasha]

Self care is boring and sucks.

[Anna]

It is. You're just like, I guess I'll go to sleep.

[Dasha]

It makes you like stir crazy.

[Anna]

Yeah. You can't like being destructive, like become.

[Dasha]

A homeless person on the street.

[Anna]

I mean, that guy I was telling you about who lives outside my church on the street by choice. Yeah, clearly, like on a nice day. I saw him once, he was like wearing sunglasses. He was like drinking an Arizona iced tea. And I was like, that's. Honestly, I was like, I get it.

[Dasha]

I know. I know. People were mad at me about my comments on the homeless, even though I took like great pains to distinguish between the poor and the homeless and also between the actual homeless and bums. But part of me kind of gets where they're coming from because it is an aspirational lifestyle. Like mentally ill injection drug users are people who have chosen to live a life on the street because they don't want the responsibility of having to integrate into normal society. But like, to give them some credit, the flip side of that is that they've created a kind of semi functional parallel society of their own.

[Anna]

It's kind of niche. And when you guys.

[Dasha]

Yeah, yeah. They're all really thin. They have great hair.

[Anna]

They're taking control of their lives in a way by being. By losing control completely.

[Dasha]

Yeah. They're like artistic and eccentric.

[Anna]

Not. Not.

[Dasha]

Couldn't be me. I'm like those guys who like, fantasize about going to prison so they can read books and don't have to deal with women.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

I'm like, man, wouldn't it be nice.

[Anna]

If not for the inclement weather? Could be worse. Yeah.

[Dasha]

The new Anna ARC is going to be moving to LA and becoming homeless on Venice Beach.

[Anna]

I mean, people have gotten. I've gotten some backlash for using the word vagrants Right. In the past. And I think. I don't think that's a Polish, politically incorrect term at all. That's.

[Dasha]

No, it's almost kind of euphemistic. It's like a guy going on a Lindy walk forever.

[Anna]

Yeah. It's vagrancy.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

It's a real issue.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And people were mad at me because they were accusing me of being like a white supremacist and a racist because they were projecting their assumptions about the homeless onto me. And, you know, as I pointed out, in this neighborhood, my neighborhood is literally like, what if your neighborhood was black and Chinese?

[Anna]

White bums are some of the worst ones.

[Dasha]

Yeah. All these guys. Not all of them, but a significant proportion of them are white and most of them are men, obviously, because homelessness seems to be like a male game. Because men in general, men of all races, occupy the extremes more than women do.

[Anna]

Well, once again, they adhere to a kind of might is right societal ideology. And you need just the brute physical strength.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

To survive out there.

[Dasha]

True. And, you know, these people basically are like my imaginary friends. I know all of them. I like, have clocked their phenotypes, their mannerisms. And one funny thing I noticed about it was that like, the females who are basically. Yeah. Like drug addicts and street prostitutes, the white women outnumber the black ladies. Go figure.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

There's like maybe two or three black ladies and like four or five white chicks in rotation. And another fun fact about female crackheads is that they're. They clearly went through some horrible sexual trauma when they were young. So they all talk in this very stunted, kind of almost boyish voice. They're like, hey, you cunt.

[Anna]

It's like, oh, shucks.

[Dasha]

They have like Bart Simpson or Archie comic voice.

[Anna]

The crack also.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Contributes to the cadence, I guess. I've been watching Intervention in my sobriety. It's pretty depressing.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But especially in the later seasons, I feel like people know they're on Intervention. Right. They all ostensibly agree to be in, like, a documentary about addiction, but I feel like unless you're super far gone, you'd have to be totally delusional to think like, oh, they're making a documentary about me. Like.

[Dasha]

Yeah. It's like. It's like when you are being interviewed for jury duty on like a high profile case and you sort of already know it's going to be Like Luigi or something.

[Anna]

Yeah, but you're supposed to. You take a vow not to.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Have you ever watched Love on the Spectrum? Somebody was telling me about that.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

How's that?

[Anna]

I find. I find it a little saccharine. It doesn't quite have like the gritty verite style of something like Intervention. It's a little more like Netflixy and produced. And while I love the neurodivergent and I'm interested in them, it kind of rubbed me the wrong way.

[Dasha]

Yeah. I've been seeing a lot of online compilations of like down syndrome shorties with hot bodies.

[Anna]

I think those are AI generated.

[Dasha]

I thought they were real.

[Anna]

You boomer. I've seen those. Yeah. I think they're a treacherous AI technology trying to trick you.

[Dasha]

I was so excited. Not in a horny way, in a noticing way.

[Anna]

Right.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Anna has a bunch of printed out papers.

[Dasha]

Oh, yeah.

[Anna]

I so of her text correspondences with Harry Sasson.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Because I've been leading a much more healthy lifestyle and like my mental clarity is back. I went through like this giant sheath of printouts that I've had since like 2019 to find all these old Covet articles so that we can talk about the new Covet article that just came out in the New York Times.

[Anna]

This is like the JFK file.

[Dasha]

I know. It's my personal JFK files. It's like I'm like Charlie Day and always Sunny standing in front of the whiteboard. You should write op ed connecting the dots between like Anthony Fauci and Peter Dasak and the Wuhan Institute of Virology that people already know because they're at this point public record. Right. I was thinking of writing a response to that op ed because it made me so angry. But we can get into that later. We can. We should probably talk about Harry Cezanne first. Right?

[Anna]

Yeah. I was on like, grok being like, why did Fauci lie?

[Dasha]

Well, let me explain.

[Anna]

Is we getting Dr. Fauci in jail? But yeah, some lighter fare.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Harry Sasson, who's a zoomer, democrat, influencer, Tick Tocker.

[Dasha]

Yeah. He has 1.8 million followers on tick tock. He's 23, he looks 19, went to NYU. He's Irish, which I didn't know. Like, why are you meddling in our politics, bro? And he grew up in Singapore, Dubai and Dublin, where he went to school. I'd never really heard of him until now. I'd seen his photo, I guess, but never really paid attention to it. I get all news from Hindustan Times now, so I just.

[Anna]

I saw that.

[Dasha]

Yeah, same. And he kind of looks like a twink and a little bonked on the head. And he also seems totally astroturf, though I don't know if astroturf is the right word for it because I think by now he probably has an organic following. Like, how else could he nat all those babes? But there's something iffy about his background for sure because it's unclear whether his parents are like, intelligence or diplomats. Same thing.

[Anna]

He doesn't have an Irish businessman boy.

[Dasha]

Women. Yeah. Yeah. So he's probably educated in some like, fancy international boarding school or something. But that's like top Democrats in a nutshell. I feel like the bottom Democrats are like what Steve Saylor calls the coalition of the fringes. Like these people who are just like held together by their hatred of the white man. And then the top Democrats are these rootless elites who go to like climate conferences and do regime change.

[Anna]

He interviewed Joe Biden.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And he met with Barack Obama.

[Anna]

Yeah. My hunch about it is that he probably. I don't know, the whole kind of political influencer ecosystem kind of eludes me. I don't.

[Dasha]

Me too. I was thinking about how he's almost like the Nick Fuentes of the left in that he kind of has the same twinkish physiognomy, but is also possibly a fed. Though I'm sure in Nick's case he only became a fed later on in life because he seems to come from like a kind of random middle class family out of the Midwest. Whereas this guy is clearly just like, he sounds rich and elite.

[Anna]

Yeah, I. Yeah. I don't know how like, people who consume this kind of content are able to like discern talent or merit based on. Because all the con I was like, you know, looking at. So he was exposed by some Republican delegates.

[Dasha]

An activist. Yeah. What's her name? I have it.

[Anna]

Sarah Fields. Yeah.

[Dasha]

Right.

[Anna]

She made a thread, sort of compiling all of the kind of disparate but organized and accumulated sort of. Me too. Ish. All the girls who were talking to Harry Sassan on Snapchat, who he was soliciting for nudes.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Who claim he took advantage of the.

[Dasha]

Them led them on.

[Anna]

Yeah. So wifey material.

[Dasha]

He called them wifey material and said that their wifey application had been accepted.

[Anna]

And all of this sort of surfaced after he posted. This is real bottom of the barrel stuff. I'm like, why am I looking at Harry Sasson's like alt TikTok. He's sort of like soft launched a girlfriend and one of his alt TikTok videos. And all these girls got pissed. Yeah. Formed a critical mass.

[Dasha]

Yeah. It's like unclear whether some shadowy forces are trying to take him down because they hate to see a white man winning or if just like it's a more organic process and girls are just talking and gossiping online.

[Anna]

Well, this is its own kind of genre of interaction that's started to happen where didn't this. Remember that guy who was like on Hinge or something and all these girls figured out through female sleuthing.

[Dasha]

Well, that's what happened to that they were all.

[Anna]

He was leading them all on. Yeah.

[Dasha]

That's what happened to Andrew Huberman when all the girlfriends, like all the jolted girlfriends got together and started weaving like a dragnet to nab him. It's sort of also what happened to Neil Gaiman when the first girl came forward and the other much, much older girl was like, hey, why? Why did I decide to be anonymous? I should just self talks.

[Anna]

Yeah. And these girls, he hadn't met any of them.

[Dasha]

Yeah, that was my big question. Did this all just transpire online or had they actually met and hooked up? Because it's like such a nothing burger. No, but, you know, wherever there's like an up and coming male influencer, a pimp in a playa, there's like chickens clucking.

[Anna]

Yeah. And he. It does seem that he was kind of using his clout to farm nude photographs from these girls. One of whom, as. What's her name? Sarah Fields. Yeah. Comically points out, was a domestic abuse survivor.

[Dasha]

That was my favorite. Because her being a domestic abuse survivor means she suddenly like damaged goods and off limits, like off the market.

[Anna]

And in that thread there was like photos of her bruises from her previous relationship that seemed pretty unrelated.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

To her Snapchat romance with Harry Sasson. The first girl who sort of started to coordinate this campaign. Carly Hosh. Carly Hosh. She said that he was well aware of the fact that she was very depressed and quote, took advantage of her sadness.

[Dasha]

Yeah. She was the one who talked about how he debuted his new girlfriend on TikTok when they were still talking, but she knew that he was already around with someone else because he had posted a story with hickeys on his neck. And when she confronted him like any normal person would do, he denied it and gaslit her. There is a really funny typo from the economic times. Harry Cezanne has been accused of convincing and luring a dozen nearly women to send their explicit videos on Snapchat. I think they mean nearly a dozen women, but it kind of makes it sound like they're underage. What's also funny is how the girls claim that he lured and manipulated them into believing that he respected them for more than their bodies. Which, like, lol. That's like not what we want. We obviously want someone to objectify us, not respect us. There is no worse fate as a woman than to be respected but not objectified. You just want to be the only one he's objectifying at the moment.

[Anna]

Right. And he told this girl Carly that she has a lot to offer. No doubt. But he can't do exclusivity. Not because I'm getting nudes from a bunch of girls or girls and stuff. Parenthetical, I don't hook up with anyone ever. But because I just don't think I'd be able to commit 100% to something thing. Also, since we live in different states, exclusivity would be hard. So I'm not balancing a bunch of girls at once. My mind and energy are just in other places right now.

[Dasha]

He's spitting facts.

[Anna]

And then later said, I never lied to you. We were not exclusive. And I made it abundantly clear I didn't want that. And you said that was fine. I haven't done anything that wasn't allowed within the parameters we set. What and why are you screenshotting?

[Dasha]

Which, yes, like, she even admits that she was, quote, understanding when he informed her that he didn't want to be exclusive. And more importantly, all of this was totally consensual. Like these girls took and sent nudes on their own volition.

[Anna]

Inappropriate. One of the later accusers keeps talking about she had printouts of their correspondences and keeps making reference to him. Like hounding her for inappropriate photos as if she's not like sending them to him. Yeah, and makes it seem like he's badgering her. Apropos of nothing. Zoomers seem doomed.

[Dasha]

Dude, I don't even think this is a zoomer problem. This is like an all people problem. Even 50 year olds are getting in on the game apparently. But like, yeah, to me this was like kind of good news. Like the libtards are all right.

[Anna]

It's true.

[Dasha]

Like, this man is like horny. He has a libido. He's like playing off of one another, which is not like the nicest or most noble thing to do, but at least it's like healthy.

[Anna]

It's like human.

[Dasha]

Yeah, he's like a cat and a scoundrel who's Playing the field. Which is to be expected of a guy his age and his status.

[Anna]

I mean, he's not even really. Because no one who he's had interactions with in person thus far has come forward or detailed any transgressions that he's actually committed.

[Dasha]

It's just like, yeah, he's having fun online.

[Anna]

Yeah. He knows he can get girls to send him nudes on Snapchat.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And they're getting attention.

[Dasha]

Yeah, that's so true.

[Anna]

Like, which is why women send nudes to people. So, yeah. Per the parameters that we. The like, weird legal language he's using, it all seems pretty kosher.

[Dasha]

He's like Mahmoud Khalif. No crime was committed.

[Anna]

Yeah. He seemed responsive. It's the nudes.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

He told that girl he'd her raw after tasteful banter at the wine bar.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Okay. But ladies. Yeah. Here's a useful heuristic for sending nudes. If you suspect that a guy is soliciting nudes from other different women, you have two options. Either you can send the nudes anyway to get, like, the temporary burst of dopamine and factor that, like, manage your expectations and keep them low. Or you can just decline to send the nudes because the outcome is going to be the same. He's gonna ghost you anyway.

[Anna]

The first girl, Kaylee, whatever, would claim that she made, like, a separate Snapchat. I don't even know. I'm such a boomer.

[Dasha]

Like a private story for his eyes only.

[Anna]

For him only. Which she seems the most kind of slighted by. Because the real truth is women also be recycling their nudes.

[Dasha]

Not the way I did it. I'm. I'm such an ethical Virgo that I manufacture new nudes for every real, real time.

[Anna]

You're, like, taking them.

[Dasha]

Yes. I mean, I'm 40 and a mother and haven't sent a nude in like.

[Anna]

A hot minute, but I mean, same.

[Dasha]

But yes, Traditionally, historically.

[Anna]

But yeah. If I take a nice one and I was on the market, if I.

[Dasha]

Was circulating, changing the background, but it's the same photo. It's like Zelensky green screen. You're like, I'm in the Alps. I'm in India.

[Anna]

If I was circulating in a sexually competitive economy and was trying to get attention from men, I'd definitely be sending the same nudes around. I can't. I'm not gonna do a boudoir photo shoot.

[Dasha]

Huh.

[Anna]

Every time some boobs trying to.

[Dasha]

Shell.

[Anna]

Your coin, trying to nut. You know, it's like, just buy the coin.

[Dasha]

The funniest Part of all this is that it puts the right wing in a very awkward position because they have to, they have, like, no choice but to defend this guy, even though they hate everything that he stands for. And the feeling is mutual because he didn't do anything wrong and he's behaving as, you know, they advocate you should.

[Anna]

Yeah, he made a post in the aftermath. He posted like a selfie that was like, beautiful day, let's get back to stopping Trump.

[Dasha]

And it's like if. If stopping Trump gets you online. Pussy.

[Anna]

A picture of someone's.

[Dasha]

I guess, I mean, hey, I saw this funny tweet that was like, the Harry Cezanne thing is infuriating because it reinforces the belief that white men aren't welcome in the Democratic Party. He didn't assault or harass anyone. Everything was consensual. A bunch of women found out Harry wasn't exclusively sexting them and they got butt hurt. The Internet celebrity didn't think they were a special snowflake. You should be allowed to be horny and a Democrat. You should be able to like women and be a player and be a Democrat. Ridiculous. This is sort of like James Carville's critique that the Democratic Party shed white male voters because it alienated them by pandering to like, women and people of color and in doing so rendered themselves like non competitive with the right. And it like reminds me of the stuff that we were talking about last episode with Sam Cedar about how like half the guys in that, like, were like. Yeah, like soy boys, like neutered baristas and like hipsters.

[Anna]

Yeah. Or like what would have coded as.

[Dasha]

A yeah, because there's like no place for young men to go on the left if they have like normal sexual inclinations, which aren't that like, they're not that normal anyway because they're all filtered through the digital realm.

[Anna]

Well, that's why the distinctly like zoomer quality of this so called scandal is that it's all like so mediated and depersonalized through technology. And everyone's like making the front facing explainer videos. Every girl has like the same kind of manner, manner of speaking, same cadence he's doing. You know, everything is so like, it made me depressed.

[Dasha]

Yeah, he has like total Instagram face. And I actually, it dawned on me in researching Harry Cezanne why I was so struck by Sarah Stock, who has, as I predicted since revealed herself to be like a garden variety conservative influencer, Foid Groipet. Because it's not so much that she's Pretty, which she is. It's, it's that she is not camera ready. She's not primed for the camera. She has like bad slouchy posture and isn't like dressing to enhance her features and whatever. And I find that weirdly endearing and charming because she, like, that will come, but she's not like. But it's not even relatable because I think of like how all us girls take selfies and we definitely just like know our angles and have Instagram face at all times.

[Anna]

I mean, a selfie is one thing, but, you know, I've, I've definitely done some media appearances where I'm a little like flinchy and like should perform better.

[Dasha]

But yeah, that's true. Or like last Megyn Kelly appearance where I was like spurging out in the swivel chair.

[Anna]

I'm a mouth breather and dead. Like a little dead in the eyes.

[Dasha]

Yeah. You're like trying to be pouty, but you're really just a mouth breathing.

[Anna]

I'm like. Yeah. It's like when you're in a zoom meeting and you keep like looking at yourself, I like, can't. I like, I can start glitching and in that way. Yeah. I find Sarah Stock relatable.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Because she's gonna be corrupted once she's like, put through the turd cutter of the media and she's gonna, you know, like, start wearing 10 pounds of makeup and like corny blazers and all this sort of thing. But up until now, she hasn't been doing that, which is just so rare and random.

[Anna]

I think she was wearing a Brandy top in one of her subsequent POD Conservative podcast appearances.

[Dasha]

And all the right wing men were like chimping out at her and mocking her deflated, saggy tits. But I think her tits look nice.

[Anna]

Her tits look awesome. They're like a little too big for the Brandy. Tom.

[Dasha]

Yeah, it's like, you know those tops that have like a seam?

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

That's meant for small breasted, aristocratic women. But like women of all ilks wear them.

[Anna]

I know the top and like, have. I have one.

[Dasha]

Yeah. But it's like one of my big fashion pet peeves is when like a more endowed woman wears that type of top and her tit is like spilling out under because it just looks bad and trashy.

[Anna]

Yeah. There's like, it's almost like a built in bra.

[Dasha]

It's supposed to contain them.

[Anna]

Yeah. But yeah, people are mad at her because she's a griper.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And she's pissed off the baposphere.

[Anna]

But.

[Dasha]

That there's no going back. Sarah Stock.

[Anna]

I mean, much like Harry sa like, and they find, like, Zoomers are just on a different tip.

[Dasha]

Yeah. As they should be. Like, there has to be some, like, generational conflict at all times.

[Anna]

They're not. Yeah.

[Dasha]

And then, like, subsequent generations, like Gen Alpha or whatever will rediscover the greats.

[Anna]

They'll retaliate in their own way. Yeah. But, yeah, she's like a tradcath. Fuentard. Good for her.

[Dasha]

Fuentfoid.

[Anna]

Yeah. I. I'll keep following her.

[Dasha]

I follow her and she follows me, so I'm going to try to stay on her goods.

[Anna]

So. Yeah. Harry Sasson, no surprise here. Kind of did nothing wrong, but I resent kind of him being on my radar in the first place. I was like, looking at the. One of the girls is. I was like, you know, went on her, like, in TikTok and then her Instagram, and she had all these, like, infographics about ADHD and anxiety and it seems like if any of these. That's the thing is like, none. No one's confronting anyone in a real way. They're all just making, like, content.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

That's then circulating.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

That they're, like, editing. So, like, get all these people in a room and they, like, wouldn't be able to make eye contact.

[Dasha]

Great idea. For the next jubilee, Harry Cezanne faces off against his female accusers. That is a good idea. Instead of Sam Cedar debating people on DI and Social Security, it's like, girls being like, so why didn't you text me back?

[Anna]

He's like the parade.

[Dasha]

What did you mean when you said I was wifey material?

[Anna]

You said my wifey application was approved. I mean, hard lesson to learn, I guess.

[Dasha]

Yeah. But I guess good for him that he learned it so early on. So it'll.

[Anna]

I mean, for them, they can be a little more guarded with their. With their hearts.

[Dasha]

I mean, like, why would you ever send to a Democratic influencer, or any influencer for that matter?

[Anna]

Well, they're all Democrats.

[Dasha]

Sure. But, like, like, why would you ever.

[Anna]

Because you're, like, ovulating and lonely and you want some male attention and from someone that you think is high status. I mean, yeah, I've definitely sent nudes to people.

[Dasha]

Random people.

[Anna]

I mean, serve it.

[Dasha]

Also, like, the reason that I like to create new nudes for each new man is not because I'm so noble and ethical. It's because if there is ever a Harry Cezanne type situation where they all collude against me, which they won't because they're men and they don't care.

[Anna]

They definitely awesome dudes. Wrong.

[Dasha]

I don't want anybody comparing notes about what a manipulative void I am.

[Anna]

I mean, in my case, you can go on Fabello.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

You can watch one of the independent films I've been in. It's. There's not that much mystique, really.

[Dasha]

Yeah. But maybe that's the winning strategy too, because.

[Anna]

Yeah. You diffuse.

[Dasha]

If you. If you obliterate your mystique in the public eye, you can rebuild it in private situations.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Which is cool and horny.

[Anna]

I mean, yeah. Someone would have to be really special to warrant, like, a brand new, like your fiance.

[Dasha]

My fiance.

[Anna]

Who I've sent. Yeah. Nudes too. But he also know. You know, it's. I can't really send him, like, a picture in my. From my old apartment. Like, he knows kind of where I am and what time of day it is.

[Dasha]

You're just sending him a screen cap from Wobble Palace. Picture yourself as the Indian guy. That's how porn works.

[Anna]

I think people don't even realize how doxxed I got this week because I didn't want to draw attention to it. And it's getting. I told Allison that day of. I was like, I got doxed. And she was like, you've been do. She's like, everyone knows. You know, I was like, no, literally, like, my phone number got posted online to a community of really pissed off Indian guys.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And I didn't.

[Dasha]

Hindu da or whatever they're called.

[Anna]

Yeah. Like, Hindu nationalists started gangstalking me and calling me on the phone for something. I didn't. I truly didn't do anything this time at all.

[Dasha]

It's like Modi on the other end of the line wearing his little vest, being like, deploy the soldiers against Dasha Vivek.

[Anna]

Call off your goons, man. The whole call center blowing up my.

[Dasha]

Phone because he got us confused.

[Anna]

It really was. I was like, is there a call center that they're all operating from where they are harassing women?

[Dasha]

Some guy today was like, you Catholic? Fetal alcohol. And I was like, no, that's the other one. I'm Jewish and look like Nosferatu. Get your story straight.

[Anna]

But that's one of the hardest parts about getting doxed is that you can't, like, especially wrongly doxed in my case is that I can't, like, I don't want to amplify it. So I'm like, individually responding to people being like, please, no. Like I'm, I didn't do this isn't wrong dog. You got the wrong girl.

[Dasha]

You're like, I'm the country singer.

[Anna]

Please stop calling me. And a couple of them took accountability to their credit and capped off their like day long stream of death threats. Was like, oh, I'm very sorry for the inconvenience. You are the wrong person. But it sucked. Luckily they were mostly on WhatsApp, which I don't use that much, so it was pretty easy to nip that. But then they would, you know, some of them would try and FaceTime me and just all day I had to.

[Dasha]

Kind of like, I'm so sorry, boss. May you have a splendid and needful day. Do the howling mutant thing when this is blown over and publish the highlights.

[Anna]

I'm so scared. The Indian community, who I guess it was Monday, it's all a blur. But yeah, I woke up. My level of anti Indian sentiment was very low neutral. And by the end of the day I was like, these people are animals. There's something wrong with them.

[Dasha]

But you're like, listen you street. And it's some guy being like this is ups.

[Anna]

Just the anger and horniness, the double threat. It was. I feel like Taylor Lorenz.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

The way I'm traumatized by. We need like a new demographic. Like I thought like libtards being mad at me was bad.

[Dasha]

I know, I know. But there, there should be like a matchmaking service for Hindu nationalists who call you Aggressively and Harry Cezanne's victims since they're both horny online.

[Anna]

Right. They could get, you know. Well, they, I think they'd be very disloyal. It seems like their energy is very all over the place and I don't think they could be loyal to one person who sent them nudes.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Much like Harry Sasson.

[Dasha]

I feel like an Indian guy's brain would explode if a white woman send him a nude.

[Anna]

Well, in the end, once there was some rectification, there was one Indian guy who was like, I knew it was not you from the beginning because I listen to your podcast and also I love Wobble palace and they were calling me the porno girl that I was some. I was a anti Indian racist who did a porno with an Indian guy when I did a comedic sex scene almost 10 years ago with my dear Indian friend Vish in a classy independent film. But I was like, my spouse is part desi. And they were all like, yeah, right, you are lying. I'm like, no, it's true. I just Went to visit his family in Trinidad. Please. No. But botched it. The Indians. I was one of their, you know. On this very show.

[Dasha]

I know. I know You've been a staunch.

[Anna]

I've gone back for them.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

No good deed goes unconditionally worse than anyone. They act so bad, Anna.

[Dasha]

I know.

[Anna]

The sending me, like, weird, like, gang bang porno gifts. I'm like, where'd you even get them?

[Dasha]

They're sending you that one pic that Maddie always sends of the black guy with a huge dick.

[Anna]

Oh. But all good.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

They stopped for the most part. I only got a couple calls today. Anyway.

[Dasha]

I'm sorry that happened to you.

[Anna]

It's okay. Haven't you felt like it's been really negative?

[Dasha]

Yeah, I was thinking of deactivating because it's so bad.

[Anna]

It's been really. Everyone's, like, seething.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And, like, gleefully, like, there's this, like, twisted glee that people are partaking in that feels really shitty more than you. It's like it's been a toxic atmosphere for a while.

[Dasha]

Yes, definitely. But, I mean, that's. That's the one downside that nobody talks about, of Elon taking the guardrails off the censorship regime when he acquired Twitter, which is that the lack of censorship gives people nothing to fight against, really. So they just, like, go at each other like crabs in a bucket. And it's just, like, super, super deranged. I don't like it.

[Anna]

Like, Vanderpump rules infighting.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I can't. Blossey and Jack, the perfume nationalist. Like, what's going on? Why. Why are we lashing out at each other when we all used to be posting.

[Dasha]

Yeah, the. The Bapasphere guys versus Richard Hanania. People were mad at me because I chimped at Richard Hanania for telling Martin, captive dreamer, that he was relieved that his brother was dead and that Martin should consider his legacy moving forward. Which I thought was despicable. Not because Dick has certain uncomfortable but honest feelings about his brother. Charles Brenner talks about this. You know, the famous line that you should not. He was a psychoanalyst and the president of New York Psychoanalytic, and he had this famous line that you should not, as a clinician, offer condolences to your patients because you rob them of the opportunity of processing certain unwelcome emotions about the loss of, like, a loved one, like, a family member, a significant other, such as relief being the most common one.

[Anna]

Right.

[Dasha]

And, you know, my issue with Hanania making that point was precisely because it was not so honest, even though it looked honest at the time. Because basically what he's doing is he is worried about how it makes him look and trying to distance himself from sharing, like, a common lineage, a bloodline with his brother in the replies to a guy who insulted him.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

So in a weird, backhanded way, he's like groveling for acceptance from the masses. And it's not that he shouldn't have those feelings because his brother is like, literally a sociopath who kidnapped some dogs not for ransom, but to murder them in cold blood by throwing them off of a parking garage roof.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

But like, you know, if he really wanted to be honest about it, he would say nothing and just like, live, Learn to live with those feelings. Or maybe he could write a personal essay. I don't know.

[Anna]

But it's all very dishonorable.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Martin blocked me.

[Dasha]

Oh, did he?

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Oh, he went through with it.

[Anna]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I said that it seemed like he did have kind of a penchant for drama. I even said, don't be mad at me.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But whatever. Big mistake.

[Dasha]

I mean, whatever.

[Anna]

His loss. I find his content pretty hateful. So I'm actually glad not to see it. But lately I haven't really. I haven't been liking what I'm seeing, any of this.

[Dasha]

Oh. Yeah, that's the thing that really pissed me off because people were like, oh, you're going to bat for that guy? And it's like, whatever. I. He has some good posts. He's made an important contribution to Trump world. But that's not the point. I'm not, I'm not defending, I'm not defending Martin here. I am criticizing Richard. There's a meaningful difference there.

[Anna]

I know, but Richard doesn't stand for anything.

[Dasha]

No.

[Anna]

Never has. Whatever.

[Dasha]

Yeah. I don't even know why we're. We can move on to Gwyneth Paltrow and Timothy Chalamet and.

[Anna]

Right. Yeah. Gwen's in the news because.

[Dasha]

Yeah, she's.

[Anna]

She hasn't acted in a while.

[Dasha]

In 15 years, she hasn't had a starring role. I was shocked by that.

[Anna]

Well, she hasn't wanted one.

[Dasha]

No, I know, but like, that's just remarkable. She really pivoted to being a lifestyle influencer. Yeah.

[Anna]

Good for her.

[Dasha]

Honestly.

[Anna]

Which was very smart. But she's in the new Safdie Brothers movie, Marty Supreme.

[Dasha]

Oh, right. Okay.

[Anna]

Which is about a Jewish ping pong player.

[Dasha]

Yeah. It's like, about a pingpong champion who has like an age gap affair with.

[Anna]

The wife of his Rival played by Timothy Shalam. And she made news for refusing an intimacy coordinator and said that in her time away from the spotlight, she wasn't even aware that this was now a feature. Just a little disingenuous.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

She was one of the first people to come out against Harvey Weinstein.

[Dasha]

She was one of his accusers. And I know, like, people at the time thought that they were championing justice for or seeking justice for sexual assault victims, not contributing to a new era of totalitarian controls. But that's exactly what happens. Whenever there's a crisis, real or manufactured, as we'll get into with the COVID stuff, there are certain bad actors who seize on that opportunity to insert themselves and gain a livelihood.

[Anna]

I went on, because I did some. I know we've talked about intimacy coordinators previously, but I ended up looking at the site where you can get certification to become an intimacy coordinator.

[Dasha]

We should do that.

[Anna]

And it's the biggest. It's like. It's just such a stupid. I guess it's not a Ponzi scheme. I'm not gonna. But it. It's like a total racket for, like, damaged people in Hollywood who need a new job and who have been a new job that's been mandated by studios.

[Dasha]

Yeah. They're bureaucrats.

[Anna]

It's.

[Dasha]

So it was middlemen, whatever.

[Anna]

Yeah. They act as liaisons.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Between the talent and the director or producer to voice any discomforts that might arise from. But the list of, like, it's not just for sex scenes. You can, like, have one for any scene that involves power dynamics, which was.

[Dasha]

Literally, like, any scene with two people.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Or more than one person.

[Anna]

Yeah. I mean, it's like, farcical. And when I hadn't worked with an intimacy coordinator, it was Jennifer Connelly. And she also was, like, you know, like, this lady did ask to ask in RM for a dream. You think she needs an intimacy coordinator? Yeah.

[Dasha]

Jennifer Aniston actually had a good line in that article that you sent me where she dismissed an intimacy coordinator during a sex scene with Jon Hamm. And she said, I'm like, please, this is awkward enough. We're seasoned. We can figure this one out. I can, like, hear. Hear it in her voice.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And Gwennet said, I mean, we have a lot of sex in this movie. There's a lot.

[Anna]

A lot, a lot.

[Dasha]

Jack was right. Sex is back.

[Anna]

Great. Are.

[Dasha]

Yeah. That's such a gay and Jewish, like, cookies, hoops, ass title for a movie.

[Anna]

I'll still watch that.

[Dasha]

I know. Me too.

[Anna]

Especially now there's I know there's a lot of sex in it that wasn't properly coordinated. That there's full penetration.

[Dasha]

And he hits it raw. After the wine taste thing, you're 14 and I'm 109. She said I would feel, as an artist, very stifled by that.

[Anna]

Sure. I mean, not.

[Dasha]

No, I mean, it's outrageous, mortifying.

[Anna]

It only makes people's job. Much like the COVID bureaucrats who would tell you to put your mask on every 15 seconds on a set circa 2021.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Yeah. They really just kind of impede creativity and the vital work that's done by actors.

[Dasha]

Yeah. I mean, it's like what we said on, like, the last or before last episode that, like, your job as an actor is literally to be triggered. You can't, like, have somebody there with like, a clipboard or a notebook hovering over you.

[Anna]

Even the. Even the idea of, like, coordinating intimacy is such a joke.

[Dasha]

Yeah. You're, like, aiming for, like, naturalism and. Or extremity. There's some fucking bitch with, like, Sarah Stock bad posture hanging around by the catering table.

[Anna]

Cannot be talking about people's posture.

[Dasha]

I know, I know.

[Anna]

Your posture is better than mine. I guess. I like as much Pilates. I have the core strength, but much like my vocal fry, I lack the energy to modulate.

[Dasha]

Yeah. To like, lift yourself up.

[Anna]

Just can't do it.

[Dasha]

That's a good thing. Again. Again, why people who sit up too straight are weird. Again, why I find Sarah Stock compelling on a strictly aesthetic level. Because I love a squirrely little slacker.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

It's, like, so charming and endearing in a world of, like, perfectly poised.

[Anna]

Yeah. Media.

[Dasha]

Media. Trained influencers.

[Anna]

Yeah. But these tick tock slubs really just ain't it, like.

[Dasha]

No.

[Anna]

You know, I just don't buy it. I can't. I don't. I can't fathom the appetite people have to, like, consume this sort of thing.

[Dasha]

I think it's. It's actually like, so, like, the reality is so depressing because they just don't have anything else. They don't have other alternatives.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And everybody's attention spans are zapped. So the idea of, like, reading a book or watching a movie or, like, even sitting through one of those, like, old historical debates seems unfathomable.

[Anna]

Right.

[Dasha]

Intolerable.

[Anna]

They just want, like, all of Harry Sasson's videos are, like. Right. Like if on the grid. It's like his face, Same background, same font, same text.

[Dasha]

Yeah. He's like, walking, his hair billowing. Yeah.

[Anna]

And I guess it's like digestible. Yeah, but it sucks. At least Fuente has, you know, he's do. He's like the duration.

[Dasha]

Well, Fuentes is old school because he has like a kind of David Letterman, Johnny Carson late night TV set that like makes you think of like smoking meth in a motel room with a rent boy. And it's kind of glamorous in a seedy way. It's not glamorous at all. But.

[Anna]

But he's like what. He does take some, you know, it takes like stamina and charisma.

[Dasha]

Yeah, he's. He's like an old fashioned broadcaster in that way. To his credit, the Jews were also mad at me because I called that woman calling for like the genocide of Palestinian babies and children. Mentally ill civilians. Yeah. And there was all these Jews being like, well you, you're just jealous because you'll never be a Jew. And I was like, I hope the groipers see this. I hope Nick Fuentes sees this and realizes I'm one of the good ones. And then some, some Jewish informed me that this wasn't even Jewish and she was like a Christian evangelical nationalist who was like an ultra Zionist. But like Abby Libby sounds pretty Jewish to me. Like who the fuck knows, right? Like you're just responding to the fact that she has pale skin and curly hair.

[Anna]

Well, that is millennial. She's a millennial. She must be a millennial dispensationalist.

[Dasha]

What is that?

[Anna]

That's a type of Christian evangelical that believe in. Well, we all believe in the second coming, but that the Jews specifically have to have Israel for Christ to come back.

[Dasha]

Really?

[Anna]

And that then there's a period of tribulation or like I don't know the timeline exactly, cuz it's erroneous. But yeah, there's like a period of. There's a rapture and then a period of tribulation.

[Dasha]

If we don't deport Mahmud Khalil, there will be. There will be no second coming.

[Anna]

Well, there's going to be a second coming no matter what. But we do not know the time. Talking about. But yeah, that's a very like Bush era. That's why a lot of Christian evangelicals align with scientists because they all think Israel belongs to the Jews.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And then it's part of the terms and conditions for the return.

[Dasha]

But yeah, this is how I know I'm doing something right. Because I have groipers mad at me because I'm Jewish and then I have Jews mad at me because I'm not Jewish enough.

[Anna]

I've got Indians mad at me for no reason at all.

[Dasha]

My shrink was like, be honest, Anna, you really like pissing people off. And I was like, yeah, a little bit.

[Anna]

It's your sending nudes, but it's my.

[Dasha]

It's my love language.

[Anna]

Yeah, it's because I love you all.

[Dasha]

And want you to think and stop being such retards. Like, you can totally, like, hold two mutually exclusive thoughts in your mind at the same time. These people can't.

[Anna]

A lot of people can't.

[Dasha]

And it's like, yes, like Hamas. Not to say the Palestinians have a death cult and a martyrdom cult, and they willingly offer up their offspring for slaughter because it's the only way that they can get the world's attention because they're fighting a losing war where they're, like, outnumbered and out militarized. So it becomes this, like, mucky Freudian, like, codependent thing between the Jews and the Palestinians. But at the same time, it doesn't logically follow from that that, like, all Palestinian children should be genocided off the face of the earth. That's where you lose me, bro.

[Anna]

Because they're de facto Hamas by being born.

[Dasha]

Yeah, they're. They're de facto enemy combatants. They're terrorists in training. Like, I don't want to live in a society with people who think that way.

[Anna]

No, sorry.

[Dasha]

Count me out. Sorry. I'm sorry I disappointed you guys. I'm sorry you thought I was a Zionist.

[Anna]

While. Speaking of Zionist, Gal Gadot got a Hollywood star this week. And I kind of. Because, much like India, I've turned on Israel a little bit. You know, they haven't been good to me, so I was, you know, I was. Everyone hates Gal Gadot.

[Dasha]

I have no opinion about Gal Gadot.

[Anna]

She's random, but she. Whatever. You know, she was in the IDF as a fitness instructor, by the way. And they make you be. Yeah, everyone hates her for being a Zionist, but she's literally Israeli.

[Dasha]

But you, like, have to be in. In the IDF as a young person in Israel. Like, they kind of have no choice.

[Anna]

It's mandatory.

[Dasha]

Unless you're Orthodox.

[Anna]

Yeah. But yeah, when you turn 18, if you live in Israel, you have to.

[Dasha]

Join the idf, which, by the way, just like, in. In a vacuum. Setting aside what they're doing currently is not a bad idea to make all young people in a certain. In a country serve in the military in some capacity. It's like the longest unpaid internship. Or do they get paid for it? They probably get.

[Anna]

They probably.

[Dasha]

I mean, they get like, Lodging.

[Anna]

They can't do any.

[Dasha]

And food. And I mean, I think they probably have paid jobs.

[Anna]

Well, they're not. Most women in the IDF are not.

[Dasha]

They're TikTok sluts.

[Anna]

Yeah. They have a really important job boosting morale. But no, most of them aren't combatants. They take, like, kind of administrative roles or they send instructors or send nudes to other soldiers. I. Belarus has mandatory for men. Most countries don't do it for men and women. You're right. In Israel, if you're, I think, pregnant, obviously you don't have to. You can. Or religion, like. Yeah, A lot of women exempt themselves, but I think most don't. And then most of that percentage don't become, like, soldiers. They kind of do something supportive. I mean, it's a good idea for an ethno state.

[Dasha]

But I think, like, Gal Gadot is a Zionist, probably, but it doesn't follow from her serving in the IDF that she would be a Zionist necessarily.

[Anna]

It follows from her being Israeli, being.

[Dasha]

An avowed, open Zionist.

[Anna]

She is a Zionist, but she's an Israeli person.

[Dasha]

Right.

[Anna]

So of course she. Yeah, she's not gonna, like.

[Dasha]

Yeah. I mean, it's like what I said about Mahmoud Khalil. It's like he has every prerogative to be pro Palestinian and anti Israel. Duh.

[Anna]

Why, It'd be much more, like, disturbing, I think, if she. Well, partly because this isn't really like, in Hollywood, doesn't. It doesn't really exist. There's not like, really an anti Zionist sentiment for obvious reasons. Right. So it wouldn't exactly be like a brave or smart position for her to take. But it also is like, she's from Israel. She was Ms. Israel. That's how she became a model and then eventually an actress. And her family is from, like, she's Israeli.

[Dasha]

Right.

[Anna]

You can't just hate someone for being so. Really.

[Dasha]

Yes, you can.

[Anna]

I mean, you can, but I actually.

[Dasha]

But I see where you're going.

[Anna]

Yeah. I don't, like, think much of her as an actress. I didn't want really to come around on the Gal Gadot question, but I ended up sort of being like, oh, it's kind of sucks that everyone's, like, piling on her routine. I mean, she's mad at Rolling.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

She made that Imagine video.

[Dasha]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Anna]

Which I think is really when she kind of fell into disfavor.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But even prior to that, she's made, like, pro Israel commons. But she is from Israel. No other, like, actor from a different country, I guess, except The Russians in horror. Certain people, you know, like, it's kind of baseless to just renounce to be mad at her.

[Dasha]

For doing what? She's from Israel. Yeah.

[Anna]

Her and Rachel Ziegler don't get along.

[Dasha]

Rachel Ziegler also sounds Jewish.

[Anna]

She might be partly.

[Dasha]

Or German. I don't know.

[Anna]

She's Hispanic.

[Dasha]

She has a hairy back. Yeah, that's the story. Take a number.

[Anna]

Well, the Woke Snow White is premiering soon or recently. Yeah, whichever. And apparently the. They've closed the premiere off sort of to press. And the relationship between Ziegler and Godot is pretty contentious due to their political differences. But this movie's been kind of a train wreck the whole time.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

We should go see it.

[Dasha]

We should. We should review it.

[Anna]

That would be fun. But it's all kind of. It makes it's. I feel like Hollywood's just so all over the place.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Everything feels so tenuous. And no one really knows, like, who to really be mad at or what bets to play. Like, because everyone's hedging their beds.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And.

[Dasha]

And also, this movie was developed and made at, like, the peak of Wokeness and is only coming out now when Wokeness has been rejected at the.

[Anna]

Exactly.

[Dasha]

So it's, like, rife for dissection, I guess.

[Anna]

And it's been recut. They, like, delayed releasing it too, because they tried to recut it and they had. There was some backlash, I think, for.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Either real Dwarves or. I don't remember if people were mad at the CGI dwarfs or the real Dwarves or what? The Able. There was some Ableism.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

The Dwarves are dirtbag leftists. And also, Gal Gadot plays the bat. She plays a witch.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

So maybe. Lay off. Maybe she's being well cast. Maybe we need evil Zionists to play Jewish witches.

[Dasha]

Yeah. You should be happy.

[Anna]

What are you mad about? She got a Hollywood.

[Dasha]

This is an allegory for Israel, Palestine.

[Anna]

Interesting.

[Dasha]

Yo, my mom sent me the craziest DM that I sent to you where she was like, you know, I think anora is a metaphor for how Trump prostitutes himself.

[Anna]

Oh, interesting. Hot take. Yeah. Wow. Advanced.

[Dasha]

Mm.

[Anna]

I see where you get it.

[Dasha]

She's playing that 4D schizoid show. What are you talking about? Sean Baker is probably maga. I mean, now I feel like Richard Hanania denouncing his brother.

[Anna]

Yeah. Very Freudian week online.

[Dasha]

It is. Yeah. I. I couldn't sleep last night, and I was like, for some reason thinking of George Floyd.

[Anna]

Okay.

[Dasha]

And how, in a weird way, his legacy has been Honored because he's become, like, a worldwide mascot of racial justice, even though he's like. Even that Twitter account, George Droid, which is like, do you know that I'll send it to you? It's like these really advanced AIs where George Floyd is like a cyborg operative who's trying to get the fat and the fan doesn't exist in the fourth or fifth dimension. It's its own dimension. It's like super Matrix. And, like, it's obviously like a satire of parody, but it actually, like, makes George Floyd look super baller and like a pimp. So in a weird way, it does him justice. I was, like, up at, like, 3 or 4am thinking, like, George Floyd. George Floyd, George Floyd. George Freud.

[Anna]

George Freud.

[Dasha]

How about a black psychoanalyst called George Freud who runs into major roadblocks treating his patients because they don't understand counterfactuals.

[Anna]

Because he's on fentanyl and he.

[Dasha]

Yeah, instead of giving them cocaine, he gives them fenty.

[Anna]

Wow, Anna, you really are firing on.

[Dasha]

All cylinders what sobriety does to a bitch.

[Anna]

I'm. I have all these, like, false memories of Red Scare episode titles, and that feels like one George Roy. I'm like, surely we must use that at some point.

[Dasha]

He's like, nah, nah, nah. You ain't gonna want to offer condolences to your patients because y'all. You might rob them of processing the relief that they feel. Kind of like I robbed that pregnant lady and kicked her in the stomach.

[Anna]

They're glad the bitch died. When you're glad, you're fashionable. D. I think Rachel Ziegler's back hair is cute.

[Dasha]

I don't mind it.

[Anna]

Hot take. She looks like Lenny when he was first born.

[Dasha]

I know he was. He was fully giving Bengali. He had, like, a hairy forehead, a hairy back hair, fingers, fully black haired. Then he went through, like, a blonde phase.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And now he's being. Now he's back to being, like, a chestnut brunette, but.

[Anna]

Are at a level six.

[Dasha]

He's scoring low on that Aryan test. I hate to say it.

[Anna]

Well, I don't mind. No, me either. I'm not a fan of Aryans aesthetically or in their temperament or anything.

[Dasha]

I was just thinking about this because, you know, everyone's always accusing me of wanting a white ethno state, and I'm like, nah, I really don't. Because I personally don't mind and even prefer the idea of, like, Anglo Saxons governing over everyone. But do I necessarily want to have. I mean, that wouldn't happen. Because I would just be deported. But, like, entertain the hypothetical. Do I necessarily want to have, like, only like, white Aryan Jared Taylor ass friends?

[Anna]

No, I don't think I have any.

[Dasha]

I know.

[Anna]

Honestly.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I mean, I definitely don't. I don't even really want them to govern us either. I thought the Jew, you know.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

For me, the Jews really.

[Dasha]

Well, I think it would be great if the top layer of governance was like, Anglos and then their kind of managers and handlers were Jews. That would probably work out pretty well.

[Anna]

That sounds like a. Yeah.

[Dasha]

A workable solution.

[Anna]

That sounds okay.

[Dasha]

Everybody could be happy.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And of course, everybody else could be represented.

[Anna]

But on the body hair question, even though I've personally chosen to have all of mine removed with lasers, that's what.

[Dasha]

We call female intrasexual competition. You're like, you get that short haircut, girl. That pixie cut is gonna look great on you. I like your.

[Anna]

But no, I do find. I like, you know, I. She's a young, beautiful girl.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

She's got down soft hairs on her back. It's. I don't know.

[Dasha]

And also it's like the camera adds 10 pounds, but it also, like, magnifies all your other flaws. Like, I'm sure her back hair looks more like peach fuzz. Irl.

[Anna]

Of course.

[Dasha]

Not like the body hair of like one of those Hindu Hindatava warriors that's like calling you.

[Anna]

Well. Yeah. And then I saw people posting like old glamour shots of the actress that supposedly inspired the animated Snow White. Who's. You know. But it's like. Oh, yeah. Pictures of actresses used to be blown out.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

There used to be like four pictures of them.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And they were like.

[Dasha]

They were like all Vaseline filtered.

[Anna]

Yeah. They were constantly, like, over lit, wearing tons of makeup. You wouldn't be able to see if they had any, like, blemishes.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And they were using the same photo that they had taken when they were 19 or 25, well into their 40s. It's like Bap spurging out on the TL about how he doesn't publish recent photos of, like, that Italian body influencer, Pietro Boseli. Because he.

[Anna]

He's like, yeah.

[Dasha]

And his features have hardened with age.

[Anna]

That is so gay.

[Dasha]

I know. I told him I was going to denounce him over that because I was. That was the first time I was like, boop, you gay.

[Anna]

I mean, he loves that guy, but not anymore.

[Dasha]

He said that women who like men who look older are coping.

[Anna]

I mean, that's just not true.

[Dasha]

Like, I like a man who looks like an actor in a John Cassavetes film.

[Anna]

Glass eye.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Jewish glass eye. 20 pounds overweight or 20 pounds underweight.

[Anna]

Totally.

[Dasha]

I fail to believe that's co. It's totally cope.

[Anna]

I don't think so. Even when I was young, I wasn't.

[Dasha]

Like, smitten with, like, guys your age. You're like, ew, yeah. Like, what are you, 19?

[Anna]

And I definitely.

[Dasha]

Yeah, I'm the same age as you.

[Anna]

Yeah. And I definitely don't, like, covet younger men now. No. Obviously, like, neoteny is attractive to, you know, human level. Man's attractiveness doesn't exactly, like, map onto the same coordinates.

[Dasha]

Yes.

[Anna]

Female attractiveness says. And older men are obviously hotter.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Hairy Sasson.

[Dasha]

I think, like, neoteny is attractive to men, which is understandable because it signals for fertility. Like, it's a biological construct.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

But neoteny is unattractive to women because it signals for youth and inexperience. And you want a man who's like a patriarch and a provider.

[Anna]

Immaturity.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Yeah. I mean, I guess it's not necessarily always the case, but it reminds me podcast we. Yeah, well, it reminded me of old fat guys.

[Dasha]

Yep.

[Anna]

But I think in both men and women and, like, you know, charisma just goes. It really does, so far.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And that's like, the most beautiful thing that, like, there. There are these kind of, like, basic objective guidelines, but the best people always kind of, like, buck or transcend them, which is what makes them so compelling and charismatic.

[Anna]

Personally, I find everyone involved in the Harry Sasson saga to be very unattractive. True.

[Dasha]

That's like some guy in the. When I was fighting, when I was commenting on, like, the Richard Hanania versus captive dreamer spat was like, let me begin by saying that everyone in this exchange is repulsive. And I was like, yes, yes. And then he went on to. He's like, but, Anna, you're the most repulsive one. I was like, really? Compared to Richard Hanania. Come on.

[Anna]

No, no, no.

[Dasha]

Come on.

[Anna]

No way.

[Dasha]

Nah, dog.

[Anna]

But yeah, all the girls kind of have the same. He definitely has a type.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And it's this kind of, like, democrat brunette.

[Dasha]

Like what Monica calls a mousey brunette.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

But I was also struck by how, like, cute and makeupless they were. They weren't. They also weren't, like, primed for the cameras. They were, like, nice, normal, natural girls.

[Anna]

I mean, they're probably using. The one who was a domestic abuse survivor was using some kind of glaring filter.

[Dasha]

I hate to Say this, but whenever I hear domestic abuse, I think of the TLP article on Penelope Trunk and how she would publish nudes of herself with visible bruises. And it was, you know, circling back to the homeless problem. He. Much like, they are not that. Not all homeless people, but specific. I'm like, really like doing damage control like Richard and Nadia. But a specific segment.

[Anna]

Right.

[Dasha]

Or demographic of people who refuse to go through the shelter system and choose to live on the street.

[Anna]

That's called that. They're constitutionally homeless.

[Dasha]

Yeah. They're constitutionally antisocial. Radical personalities.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

That don't accept that. Reject help there. He makes the point that I've made on this podcast many times that. That women who are chronically embroiled in abusive relationships have a kind of codependent dynamic where usually they're BPD and the guy is a narcissist. And they. It doesn't mean that they're like bad people or unworthy of compassion or deserved or. Yeah. Or deserve. Yeah. Right. That. It just means that they have a certain personality type who is locked into that.

[Anna]

Well, Polya talks about this too. Like about the cycle of the women being complicit in the cycle of abuse because they become addicted to kind of the apology.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And the drama. Right.

[Dasha]

You know, negative attention is better than no attention.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

That's kind of the essence of what BPD is.

[Anna]

And did you know the average age gap amongst married couples in America is 2.3 years?

[Dasha]

That's innocent.

[Anna]

But it's closed a lot pretty rapidly.

[Dasha]

Okay.

[Anna]

Or. Yeah. It used to be about 5, around the turn of the century. And then if you look, I looked at the chart and it was like a really steep decline. But that obviously correlates with marriage in general. Also declining.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And coming later in life or not at all. Yeah. And. Yeah. Like women becoming economically emancipated so they no longer need patriarchal figures.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Well, support and subsidize them, obviously. Yeah.

[Anna]

I bring this up because. Right. Like, when you talk about domestic abuse, you at its most, like, you know, heinous is obviously a situation where a woman is like a housewife who doesn't have. She's not able to leave her husband financially. They don't. Yeah. We don't have no fault divorces. We, you know, she literally cannot leave and is trapped.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And I think if you do like a sociological analysis of the way that domestic abuse has even changed over the years. Yeah.

[Anna]

Yeah. That it's increasingly rare that people in abusive dynamics actually aren't able to Leave.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Yeah, that's well said and very smart. It's true. Yeah. So basically then you're selecting for people who have certain personality dispositions that make them more prone to stay in abusive relationships.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Because it fulfills some kind of psychic or sexual need.

[Anna]

Yep.

[Dasha]

But always, like, I think these things operate at a lag where like. Yeah, like when people think of homeless people, they think of like kindly old, eccentric black war bats or like a single mom with five kids who's escaped a domestic abuse situation.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And that no longer pertains. People were telling me that hobos don't.

[Anna]

Even have bindles anymore. Yeah, they don't, Lindy. You don't see that much nowadays. Yeah.

[Dasha]

And people were pointing out that like the highest growing population or the fastest growing population of homeless people are the elderly, which I didn't know, but I would totally believe. But those people are not the same people living in the encampment under the scaffolding. No, those are people going into shelters, sleeping in their car, that sort of thing.

[Anna]

Right. Who? I guess Social Security.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And of course, for those people, I have only utter compassion.

[Anna]

Of course. Yeah. When you talk about. We need another word for homeless people that doesn't upset people like bombs or vagrants. We need like kind of a neutral sounding terminology to refer to like a subset of homelessness, especially in New York.

[Dasha]

Unhoused doesn't really work because that's too broad a category and too euphemistic a category. I mean, it's literally. I mean, it's. It's a little long winded, but it's mentally ill. Injection drug users. Yeah, that's like what it comes down to. But anyway.

[Anna]

Yeah, maybe that could catch on to that.

[Dasha]

Am I I d u. I text.

[Anna]

You what I watched. Enlightened. Finally.

[Dasha]

It's the best.

[Anna]

It's so good when she tries to start the, like, women's organization. Her company is called WA. It really is such a, like, masterfully done show.

[Dasha]

It's so good and all the more masterful because it like preceded the era of wokeness. And he's basically profiling the classic middle aged female libtard he like, foresaw. It's like the lady who showed up at Nick Fuentes his house and got kicked down the stairs.

[Anna]

I have to do something.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And like on the east coast they're like overwhelmingly like Jewish chicks with like purple hair. And then on the west coast they're like childless hippie, waspy hippie at Laura Dern types.

[Anna]

I'm have to pee.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Me too.

[Dasha]

Okay, then we can broach the COVID article.

[Anna]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dasha]

I'm gonna crack the Coke Zero because I need to be sober for the segment.

[Anna]

Why Coke Zero?

[Dasha]

Oh, I don't know. Just like, what was available.

[Anna]

They didn't have Diet Coke?

[Dasha]

No. Randomly.

[Anna]

What is this, Europe? Yeah. They only have Coke Zero.

[Dasha]

It's Chinatown.

[Anna]

RFK Jr. Strikes.

[Dasha]

Wait, what? Wait, you're. You're talking so quietly, I can't hear anything over the.

[Anna]

Sorry, sorry, sorry. I was just saying because RFK Jr because people were saying he was going to ban Diet Coke.

[Dasha]

Oh. But I don't think.

[Anna]

I don't think he is. I think it's just.

[Dasha]

With a president like Donald Trump.

[Anna]

Exactly.

[Dasha]

Yeah. That's not gonna happen.

[Anna]

We're getting our McDonald's. Okay, so there was an op ed in the New York Crimes called We were badly misled about the event that changed our lives about COVID 19.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And it sort of like, officially accepts the theory that Covet escaped from a lab conducting gain of function research versus spontaneously jumped from an animal to human host in a wet market. And it also officially acknowledges that the, quote, prominent scientists and public health officials dismissing it as a conspiracy theory, were misleading and deceiving the public through, like, collusion and lies. So, like, five years too late. But.

[Anna]

Well, the woman who wrote it, Zeynep Tufeki. Because I. Yeah, you. I know you are familiar with her.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I looked at some of her other articles and she's kind of been saying this for a while.

[Dasha]

Okay.

[Anna]

She's had. Over the last couple years. It's. She's kind of phoning in her. Yeah. Her offed job and sort of reiterating. Yeah. That there. That co. Was handled poorly. And so this article really wasn't like a real departure from anything she said in the recent past, at least.

[Dasha]

But she's like an independent outsider that the New York Times let in. It's like a departure from what they've been saying.

[Anna]

Well, she's been writing for the Times.

[Dasha]

For a while.

[Anna]

But it's always been. Yeah. A kind of, you know, as in this article as well as, like, it's kind of this plausibly neutral tone. And this article in particular was notable for its title.

[Dasha]

Yes. Which is like a classic example of like, media passive voice.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Where they were like, oh, we were misled. And it's like. No, we weren't misled. You misled us. Specifically the New York Times, brother.

[Anna]

Who did the misleading. Is the misleader in the room with us right now. Oh, is and she's basically like, oh.

[Dasha]

You know, you'd think this was ancient history and we've learned our lesson and can all move on with stricter safety protocols. And you'd be wrong. And to me, what was interesting was what was missing from her account. I'll get into this because I have my whole, like, sheath of printouts. But she cites, yeah, these prominent scientists and public health officials. But where's the media in all of this? Like, the qu. The big question is, like, what was the chain of command? Was it the prominent scientists and public health officials that were directing the media on behalf of the government? Or did the media actually have more of an independent and controlling role in setting the consensus and siding with the establishment? And the other thing that was missing was, you know, was it all. Was it just all these, like, forces aligned to dismiss the. The lab leak hypothesis as a conspiracy theory? Or was there also, like, serious censorship and cancellation involved? Well, like, she, you know, it's not just that they said like, hey guys, this is like a far fetched dystopian fantasy and you should maybe like not promote it so much across your socials. They actually really silenced and smeared any dissenting voices at the time. And it wasn't just dissident like virologists or researchers or journalists. It was like everyday people who dared to speak up or ask questions.

[Anna]

Well, you know that guy, Donald McNeil Jr. Okay, he was a. He was. Had been writing at the time since the 70s.

[Dasha]

Oh, the guy who got fired for.

[Anna]

Saying the N word?

[Dasha]

Yeah, he was like a science reporter. Is that the guy you're talking about?

[Anna]

He resigned from the New York Times in 2021 following a report that high school students on a trip to Peru accused him of making racial sexually offensive remarks. But he's been. Had been at the time, since the 70s.

[Dasha]

Okay.

[Anna]

And he originally was a. He was sort of espousing like the party line. He was reaffirming like the zoonotic transmission theories. And after he left the Times, he was essentially fire. There was like people signed a petition because he, he said the N word. But apparently in like a referential way.

[Dasha]

Like he was quoting.

[Anna]

Yeah, he said, don't say boob or whatever. And then was like years later, there was like a public outcry. And yeah, his colleagues basically kind of like ousted him from the Times. And then he took to medium. And he has since then spoken out about how he was deliberately that. Yeah, the. Basically the Times sidelined any like, credible lab leak hypotheses.

[Dasha]

Any skepticism.

[Anna]

Yeah, or doubt.

[Dasha]

Yeah, criticism.

[Anna]

And though he himself was skeptical about the lab leak, it's because he was told so by like certain like virologists and health officials and that he's since like come around and. But he's like a very clear cut example of someone who's like absolutely like sidelined and then ousted for not her voice conforming.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Skepticism and. Yeah. And in retrospect, I was thinking that like, in a backhanded way they did us all a solid because that really paved the way for the dominance of independent media, which was already on the rise. But I think it was that moment that really like let it take over because of the crisis of faith that all of these establishment media institutions had provoked. So you had guys who were basically like blacklisted or fired or debanked going on Joe Rogan and spreading their like crazy and kooky Covid theories, AKA telling the truth about COVID when no one else would. This is a bit of a digression, but you will see where I'm going with this. Recently someone published a bubble chart that shows that right wing voices dominate independent media.

[Anna]

I saw this and it's like, you.

[Dasha]

Know, the usual suspect like Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Russell Brand, Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, whatever. And the liberal takeaway from this was that the left needs to fund more podcasts and manufacture a left wing Joe Rogan. Never mind that Joe Rogan is already the left wing Joe Rogan. That guy Constantine Kissen put it really well, though I disagree with his ultimate conclusions. He says they think that the right leaning media creates more right leaning people, when the reality is that left leaning media creates more right leaning people who are put off by their increasingly deranged behavior and messaging. And their solution to this is to fund more podcasters and influencers, which totally misses the mark. Because the reality is that independent media, which is basically at this point synonymous with right wing media, is almost entirely organically funded because their messaging resonates with people. And I think that was totally in effect of COVID specifically, though, probably like Gamergate. Me too. Like all these other big phenomena. And I would say like, where he's wrong is that it's not the messaging that resonates with people. Because let's face it, right wing messaging is often very tacky and inflammatory. It's the ideas themselves, but not even like the ideas themselves. It's that just like they, like the right wing has ideas that are good and slash true, and they have ideas that are bad false. It's Just that they seem more willing to tell the truth about the big picture. This other guy, James Kirkpatrick of vdare, put it, well, it's not just that their entire worldview is based in fiction. It's that they want to make it illegal to base your views on reality. And I think that this was like directly an aftermath of COVID that was like a silver lining.

[Anna]

Well, Covet also exacerbated like mental health crisis, the real pandemic amongst people by like isolating them and depriving them from.

[Dasha]

Within, like normal real world contact.

[Anna]

Yeah. So they became increasingly siloed and then liberal media just seemed, well, anytime you like are suppressing something.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Regardless of whether or not it's true, it's going to make people question why it is you don't.

[Dasha]

And then those, those people are kind of summarily gaslit, which makes them angrier and more resentful.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

So then they lash out by becoming more right wing, getting red pilled, trolling, etc. Etc.

[Anna]

Yeah. She had some article about how the lab, where she actually has been pretty like centrist on the lab leak idea in the past and obviously she's beholden to editors and you know, her employers, I guess. But she had some piece a while back where she talked about how, yeah, the lab leak theory was weaponized by bad faith actors.

[Dasha]

Yeah, I want, I'll get into that because that was one of my big issues with her thesis in this article.

[Anna]

Yeah. That basically it was like, it's really like kind of a. Denying responsibility.

[Dasha]

Yeah, exactly. And so like. But it doesn't stop there. Another big issue I had is that in some ways the origins of COVID are like less interesting than what happened next because not only did they lie to us about where it came from, they lied to us about what to do about it. So like, early on, remember there was like a big discourse about ventilators and they were putting people in respiratory distress on ventilators and people were dying because they didn't have enough ventilators to go around. And it became like this very hot button political issue. And then it turns out that actually intubating people is very invasive and aggressive and was not such a good idea because it created a lot of unnecessary casualties. There was of course, the question of lockdowns and social distancing versus like achieving herd immunity. And it turns out there's some evidence that the countries that didn't implement those protocols, like Sweden and Belarus, tended to fare better. There was the issue of vaccines which they were pushing Onto the public, Obviously, even on pregnant women and small children. They were downplaying the fact that the vaccines had certain rare but adverse reactions, like myocarditis, especially in young men. Recently, on a hunch, I googled the occurrence of adult onset stills disease, which was like the rare, bizarre, very serious autoimmune response I had from getting Covid while being unvaccinated in the vaccinated. And I found a ton of medical papers saying that this was a phenomenon that was associated with COVID vaccination. And I remember at the time, like, getting out of the hospital and, you know, innocently telling the truth about why we were on hiatus for so long and getting, like, so viciously piled on. I remember, dude, it was so dark and abysmal. And I like, you know, bad because.

[Anna]

I was, like, encouraged you, I feel, to what? At the time to talk about.

[Dasha]

Oh, no, it's fine. It's like, what Everybody I know who I'm friends with was like, you did the right thing. And like, I was like, on this.

[Anna]

You know, on this podcast, we tell the truth.

[Dasha]

Yeah, I mean, I always tell the truth, but, you know, there's not a ton of data available because it's such a rare response. There's simply not a large enough sample size. But there is a discernible trend.

[Anna]

And what people are, you should die for not getting vax.

[Dasha]

I remember, like, trying to defend myself and saying, like, hey, there's like, a chance I would have ended up having this reaction anyway had I been vaccinated and which felt to me at the time medically unwise because I was pregnant and later nursing, and I was, like, merely trying to pretend protect my unborn and then infant child and, like, getting laughed out of the room. And people were like, you're delusional and coping.

[Anna]

But, like, this woman had published an op. Ed also arrived probably around that time about how we need to make the vaccine available to children under five.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Which is crazy. And like, like, there was, I think, a CDC paper that came out where they. That was just a chart of all the kind of known adverse reactions to the vaccine. And there were many, but, you know, like menstrual disturbances, myocarditis, miscarriage, whatever. And one of them was still's disease. And, like, it turns out that I was right. But I can't say I feel vindicated because it was, like, such a dark moment, like, confronting the darkest abyss of human nature. People wishing, like, death and misery upon you and your child for, like, a private medical decision that had nothing to do with politics or ideology, certainly not with owning the libs. And the reason I bring this up is not to, like, be, like, a victim or emotionally blackmail or whatever, but because it's very clear that the information that was available about the MRNA vaccine at the time was very, like, shady and obfuscated and they were pushing it on people who shouldn't have it. There's no reason. There's no evidence to suggest that young children benefit at all from receiving the COVID vaccine, which is something that I was saying back then. And people were mad at me for being, like, anti vax in general, which I'm not. Like, my kid has MMR or whatever.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Still now people to this day are like, well, Anna, you're so miserable and bitter and this informs your politics and that's why you are the way you are. And it's like, I don't know, I think, like, after six years of, like, getting hate on the Internet, I've remained pretty, like, reasonable and positive in my attitude. But if there is any misery or bitterness that I've acquired, it's from that moment, because I was like, oh, people are completely deranged and insane and they've been like. Like, it's not just about me. Like, the way that they treated unvaccinated people was outrageous.

[Anna]

I know.

[Dasha]

And I was, like, an early proponent of, like, older people and immunocompromised people getting the vaccine. Because it made sense.

[Anna]

Sure. Because they already were infertile. Yeah. I mean, I was not, like, exactly forced to get vaccinated, but basically.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I was. It wasn't, like, entirely mandated by hbo, but the climate at the time was such that it was like. It really felt like I didn't have a choice.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And then they did mandate a booster.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

To go to the SAG Awards.

[Dasha]

Right. I remember that.

[Anna]

And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I was like, they. I can't. I, like, on principle, I've already gotten two shots of, like, an experimental vaccine and they said I only had to get two and my spirit's already so broken.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I, like, cannot get a third shot. And I found, like. Because I had covered.

[Dasha]

Third shot. Oh, because it was a double shot.

[Anna]

Yeah, yeah, it was a double. Remember it was a double shot. Yeah.

[Dasha]

And people were getting, like, fourth and fifth.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Whatever.

[Anna]

People out there boosted eight times.

[Dasha]

Yeah. People are still getting boosted.

[Anna]

They said, yeah, if you want to go to the SAG words, you have to get a booster shot. And I was like, I won't go to the Saga Like, I, you know, and I found a doctor who told me. Well, I went to him and I said, look, I had like menstrual irregularities, which actually my cycle got more regular weird, which for me is irregular after I got the vax. But, you know, I was like, I don't, you know, please, like, is there anything. And he said, there is no medical. He's like, he was basically, he was sympathetic, but he was like. He said, I have teamsters in here every day.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Asking me because he worked like within the film industry. And he was like, there's people in here all the time asking me not to get vaccines. No, like, medical, by the book reason that I can not give you a booster. But then because I had Covid that December, I did a blood test that showed that I had like antibodies or whatever. So I like evaded it through some loophole.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But yeah, literally I was like forced, essentially.

[Dasha]

And people who had jobs or forced. The way that it was forced upon people was God clearly. Like, it was like such a suspension of like civil liberties. And like, after that, like the Summer of Floyd, how suddenly all, all of these covet era rules and protocols were out the window overnight so that people could go out and protest in the name of racial justice. Here's a quote from her article. Take the case of EcoHealth, the nonprofit organization that many of the scientists leaped to defend when Wuhan experienced an outbreak of a novel coronavirus related to ones found in bats. And researchers soon noticed the pathogen had the same rare genetic feature that the EcoHealth alliance and Wuhan researchers had proposed inserting into the bat coronaviruses. You would think EcoHealth would sound the alarm far and wide. It did not. Were it not for public records requests, leaks and subpoenas, the world might never have learned that troubling similarities between what could easily have been going on inside of the lab and what was spreading through the city. But, like, who was pushing for the subpoenas and the leaks and what happened to those people? They were vilified and smeared. And by contrast, she talks about how like a lot of the scientific mouthpieces who were writing papers and signing letters dismissing the lab leaks theory, privately agreed that the scenario was way more likely than the enforced consensus of the wet market outbreak, though they ultimately ended up colluding to suppress that information.

[Anna]

Yeah, the. There was a paper in the journal Nature Medicine which was written by. This is. I'm quoting her. Which was written by five prominent scientists and declared that no, quote, laboratory based scenario for the pandemic virus was plausible. We later learned through subpoenas, their Slack conversations that while scientists publicly said the scenario was implausible, privately, many of its authors considered the scenario to be not just plausible, but likely. One of the authors of that paper, Christian Anderson, wrote in the Slack messages, the labascape version of this is so friggin likely to have happened because they were already doing this type of work and the molecular data is fully consistent with that scenario.

[Dasha]

Yeah, and so she gets into this whole thing with Nature Medicine and the lanit, which were the two prominent scientific publications at the helm of all this. How Peter Das, who was the president of Eco Health, and how behind the scenes he had drafted and circulated the letter while strategizing on how to hide his tracks and telling the signatories that it will not be identifiable as coming from any one organization or person. The Lancet later published an addendum disclosing Daszak's conflict of interest as a collaborator of the Wuhan lab. But the journal did not retract the letter. How David Morens, a senior scientific advisor to Anthony Fauci at the National Institutes of Health, wrote to Daszak that he had learned how to, quote, make emails disappear, especially emails about pandemic. Quote, we're smart enough to know to never have smoking guns, and if we did, we wouldn't put them in emails and if found we would delete them. He wrote. And this is where my giant dossier of COVID era printouts comes into play. Because I remember back in the day in May 2021, reading a very long article by a guy called Nicholas Wade in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists that exposed the ties between Daszak and Fauci. We ended up discussing it a little bit on the pod to not a lot of fanfare. People really didn't like it. And then it was picked up by an even longer piece by Katherine Evan at Vanity Fair. I highly recommend the Nicholas Wade piece, which I will link in the description to the podcast, because it refutes the natural hypothesis and supports the lab leak hypothesis. And it's written in very plain English that even non technical people can understand. And I think that Zainab Tufeki probably pulled a lot of her information directly from this article, which I have right here. And it describes like the probable sequence of events. So he talks about how Wuhan is home to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is the leading world center of coronavirus research. How the Eco Health alliance of New York, the nonprofit that Peter Daszak was the president of, funded gain of function research there. How the Lancet and Nature Medicine intervened to shape public opinion. How, in spite of Dasak's obvious conflict of interest, the Lancet letter even went out of its way to say that, quote, we declare no competing interest. And how the. The work of Wuhan's chief virologist, Shi Zhengli, AKA the Bat lady, was funded by the NIAID and the NIH through grants that Dasak had subcontracted to her. It talks about his, like, ubiquitous presence.

[Anna]

She makes reference to the scientists, like Nobel Laureate, whatever, the experts who denounced Trump's pulling of funding.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

From Eco Health.

[Dasha]

Huh.

[Anna]

Back in, like 20. 2020, I guess it was all. It's all very, like, traumatic upsetting.

[Dasha]

Well, it's very clear that Peter Dasak and Anthony Fauci specifically were colluding to hide the origins of the virus because it would create major blowback against the science industry. And also wasn't Anthony. I think Anthony Fauci is at NIH and his wife was like the. The head of the niaid.

[Anna]

And Eco Health was obviously getting all this funding that they didn't want to have be compromised. But my question is, why are they even doing this? What do they do? Why are they doing this research that is so dangerous?

[Dasha]

That's the question Nicholas Wade asks.

[Anna]

What are they doing in Wuhan? Why are they. Why are we doing research into coronavirus?

[Dasha]

And I'm not gonna. Yeah.

[Anna]

If it is so transmittable and not.

[Dasha]

Like, clearly unethical and dangerous.

[Anna]

I. She said this. I don't remember if it was in this article or another one, but she talks about how at the Wuhan labs, the wet market labs, they were not for doing research. As dangerous as they were, they were not like, adhering to really, like, the standard safety protocols.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

It was like any worker in the lab could have inhaled this virus and then transmitted it as we were told, through air particle. Like, if this was really. If this. It's so fucked up.

[Dasha]

Yeah. It's insane. And he talks about, why are we.

[Anna]

Doing research into coronavirus. I hate coronavirus.

[Dasha]

Well, presumably to get ahead of any, like, pathogen that might endanger the human.

[Anna]

Species, but really seems like a waste of time.

[Dasha]

Well, I think that there are, like, intelligence and political reasons for doing this research. And they talk about how she still.

[Anna]

Dismisses, like, the bioweapon theory as being, like, beyond the pale. Now we're gonna all come around on lab leak.

[Dasha]

Yeah. 10 years later. Yeah. Zeynep will publish another op ed in the New York Times talking about how, like, actually this was A bioweapon, like, five years from now, she talks about how. Or that she doesn't talk about this. Nicholas Wade talks about how she and Ralph Esperick, an eminent coronavirus researcher at the University of North Carolina, teamed up on a paper in 2015 where they basically talked about how the risks of coronavirus research outweigh the benefits and how by 2020 they were 2019, they were still persisting. This article is very good because, like, it gets into the specifics of the manipulation and transmission of coronaviruses and how nothing that either of those letters published in Nature Medicine or Lancet added up to, like, a coherent argument for why the. The natural hypothesis was more likely. So.

[Anna]

But ostensibly right. Like, in good faith, they were doing the research in Wuhan to prevent, like, a zoonotropic.

[Dasha]

Whatever. Yeah.

[Anna]

Transmission of the virus.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

By, like, making a horrible virus.

[Dasha]

Yes. Like, like this girl. This girl. This lady was going into Chinese bat caves and harvesting, like, animal samples and splicing them in a lab.

[Anna]

That seems way more dangerous. And the scary, someone getting, like, sick from a bat.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Remember the pangolin?

[Dasha]

Yeah. There was, like, a pain. Yeah.

[Anna]

And there was a really innocent pangolin was villainized just for having bad posture.

[Dasha]

There's a really good part in the Wade essay where he talks about how there's ample evidence that SARS 1 and MERS were naturally occurring, like the previous strains of coronavirus that ended up being like epidemics in China and Egypt, that they had left copious traces in the environment. The intermediary host species of SARS1 was identified within four months of the epidemic's outbreak and the host of MERS within nine months. Yet some 15 months later, after the SARS2 pandemic began, and after a presumably intensive search, Chinese researchers had failed to find either the origin bat population or the intermediate species to which SARS 2 might have jumped, or any serological evidence that any Chinese population, including that of Wuhan, had ever been exposed to the virus prior to December 2019. Natural emergence remained a conjecture which, however, plausible to begin with, had gained not a shred of supporting evidence in over a year. So with the previous ones, there was a distinct discernible body of evidence that suggested that, like, these viruses had jumped from one animal host to another and then had infected a human population with SARS 2. Covid, there's no such evidence.

[Anna]

Right.

[Dasha]

I'm not a virologist, but you can follow.

[Anna]

You do the math. Yeah. It doesn't seem like they should have been messing around with the bats and woohoo yeah.

[Dasha]

And the scariest thing in all of this is like at the beginning, even people who are like proponents of the lab leak theory were concerned about the role of China and all of this. But the fact of the matter is that this was all funded through u. S. Based entities.

[Anna]

Well, not all.

[Dasha]

Well, the, the NIAID and the NIH were funding through grants, research in wuhan on coronavirus.

[Anna]

Why?

[Dasha]

So this is Anna, why there's a direct link to not only Peter Daszak but Anthony fauci.

[Anna]

I know I'd love, I'd love for him to go to jail.

[Dasha]

So it's like, I mean, it's so.

[Anna]

Also missing from the op ed is any kind of like prescriptive in terms of like accountability. It's like we were misled by experts. Yeah, blah, blah. Anonymous. Like the experts were doing something wrong. But it's like there are people who were responsible.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And remember when we had Nicolo on the pod and I asked him like about the aids crisis and what he would have done differently if he were Anthony Fauci going into those bath houses and telling those guys to put the kibosh on their profligate and degenerate sexual activity. And he said nothing because at the time it was such a mysterious, confusing illness. Anthony fauci was famously condemned because he helped spread the notion that aids was transmittable through like, no, like through like, like non sexual physical contact and household surfaces. Possibly at the time, because no one, no one knew what was going on. And that obviously didn't end up being the case. And I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in that situation because it was so novel and so scary. But like the novel.

[Anna]

How come we don't call it the novel a virus?

[Dasha]

The novel aids virus. But like, the second time around with COVID it's weird how the guy who was funding the gain of function research ended up being like the biggest mouthpiece advocate of like.

[Anna]

That's not where the virus came from.

[Dasha]

Huh?

[Anna]

How the advocate of how that's not.

[Dasha]

Yeah, Viruses from. And of course, yeah, he's like the chief virologist of the United States, the main expert. But still, it's like crazy because they were all just trying to cover their trucks and it literally took a guy like Joe Rogan to like crack the lid on the whole thing. That's a. I'm esl ing the idiom or whatever.

[Anna]

I mean, it is actually so evil.

[Dasha]

And it's so much more evil in the case of this op ed because like, what is her takeaway from all this? Well, you know, she gets into some like, nice sounding platitudes about better safety regulations. She says leading journals could refuse to publish research that doesn't conform to safety standards. How's that going for you? The way they reject research that doesn't conform to ethical standards. Funders, whether universities or private corporations or public agencies, can favor studies that use research methods like harmless pseudo viruses and computer simulations. These steps alone would help dissentivize such dangerous research here in China.

[Anna]

I mean, who cares about publishing the research? The issue is that the labs are making the virus.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And she says if some spreading it all over risky research is truly irreplaceable, it should be held to the highest safety conditions and conducted far from cities. But then she also says this. It's not hard to imagine how the attempt to squelch legitimate debate might have started. Some of the loudest proponents of the lab leak theory weren't just earnestly making inquiries. They were acting in terrible faith. Using the debate over pandemic origins to attack legitimate beneficial signs, to inflame public opinion to get attention. For scientists and public health officials, circling the wagons and vilifying anyone who dared to dissent might have seemed like a reasonable defense strategy. So she's still effectively blaming independent right wing media and anonymous Twitter posters for acting in bad faith and forcing the poor, well meaning scientific establishment to lie to our faces because they had no choice but to combat misinformation and follow the science. Like, that's like, she's not only denying responsibility, she's shifting responsibility. At the beginning of this piece she's like, have we learned nothing? It's like you haven't learned anything.

[Anna]

Well, as much of a proponent as she was for like vaccine children and she was a Big Mac mask mandate person, which yeah, there's evidence that in high risk environments the masks reduce transmission. Like, yeah, that's all well and fine, but with I'm like, the damage is done. Like, yeah, the people don't trust the medical establishment because they flagrantly and evilly.

[Dasha]

Lie and to cover their own asses so they can keep getting their grants.

[Anna]

Yeah. And to just be like, right, there was like information that was withheld or outright lied about. But we need to vaccine. Like the, there's no like questioning of the vax, the medical marvel, the vax we need to vaccine. There's nothing, there's no like, there's no real like accountability being taken and no real understanding of how shattered people's faith is in medicine and science for good. Reason.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And that if they lied about. When I say the damage has been done, it's like, for someone. For a layperson like me, because I'm like, okay, they lied about COVID They lied about where it came from. They lied about. Well, remember, they said, like, if you're vaccinated, still wear your mask. And then two weeks later, I said, if you're vaccinated, don't wear your mask and wear the mask and social distance. But then in your protesting for George Floyd, you can't get Covid. And, like, the sheer amount of actual misinformation, regardless of how harmful the vax is or isn't, is irrelevant because there's no reason to trust these people.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

At all.

[Dasha]

Right. Yeah. And, like, now I think this. This article is probably being published right now because Trump has taken it upon himself through DOGE to punish the nih.

[Anna]

Well, I mean, Biden did do the. It was then the Biden administration where they did the first kind of call. Yeah.

[Dasha]

And, you know, people will point out that this isn't compromising the research directly, but is related to indirect costs, which, like, includes stuff I'm, like, using AI, like the rent, utilities, administrative salaries, and so on and so forth. A lot of people are getting fired from their jobs, so Other, like, their doge. Yeah. So their critics will, like, fire back and say, well, like, indirect costs aren't just, like, stupid, frivolous DEI hires and, like, grants to make mice trans. It's actually, like, legitimate needful. Yeah. Expenses, which I get. But obviously, this is also a reaction to the gross overreach that happened under Covid.

[Anna]

Which. And even if you also did pull funding from Eco Health.

[Dasha]

Huh.

[Anna]

For five years.

[Dasha]

Okay. Yeah.

[Anna]

A couple years ago. And some of those subpoenas did come out under the Biden administration, so it's not a purely, like, Dojian endeavor that's brought this stuff to light, but it is. I mean, the real.

[Dasha]

The research, but even the science.

[Anna]

The. So, but even if you.

[Dasha]

Even if you want to be, like, a libtard devil's advocate, y'all made coven.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And. But even if you want to do that and be like, this is clearly a retaliatory measure by the Trump administration, like, even given that, you can see why. Which I don't believe it fully is, but you can see why that would come about.

[Anna]

Mm. You mean in the. In the. Amongst the scientific community.

[Dasha]

No, you can see why the. The Trump administration would want to send a message and retaliate against these people as, like, a symbolic gesture.

[Anna]

Right.

[Dasha]

Because everything about COVID was so. It wasn't even grossly mishandled.

[Anna]

I mean, it was also.

[Dasha]

It wasn't. It wasn't even like a well meaning error. It was deliberate lying and deceit.

[Anna]

The lies. For me, okay, the lies, the. The mandated vaccine and the people being kept from seeing their dying family members.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Are the most egregious aspects of the novel coronavirus.

[Dasha]

Some.

[Anna]

And I'm sure there's things that I don't. I'm not even cognizant of, like, are like more like geopolitical stuff with China. Those, you know, like, yeah, why weren't we. Why didn't we want to put Wuhan on blast and Kung flu. All this crap Asian hate. All this stuff is so like.

[Dasha]

But this wasn't China. That was. It was America.

[Anna]

Well, I think it was China too.

[Dasha]

Yeah. But they were using China as a research hub.

[Anna]

Were we not collabing with. Was it not an America?

[Dasha]

Sure, sure. But America. But what I'm saying is America is just as guilty as China.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And like, yeah, some. Some on Twitter was accusing me of having politics motivated strictly by grievances. And it's like. Well, yeah, I mean, all politics as such are motivated by grievances. Because you are.

[Anna]

That's why I'm a NIMBY now.

[Dasha]

Yeah, you're like vying you have some interests that you want to protect and you're vying to have your voice heard because you're angry about how you're being treated. That's like all politics. Because you're a human on the grassroots.

[Anna]

Level in the world.

[Dasha]

But like, not to like, sincere post or moral fact. But like, my grandpa died shy of his 100th birthday of COVID in the United States alone.

[Anna]

It's horrible.

[Dasha]

It's horrible. This man came to America to like, be with his family. Or like when I gave birth, like, yeah, this is a serious, ongoing grievance of mine that I'm actually really mad about. When I gave birth, I was put in a. Like, after the baby was born in the apartment, they brought me to, like Lower Manhattan Presbyterian or whatever. And we were in an empty room with two beds. And it was like me and Eli, we had just spent the night together, like, giving birth. Giving birth to the baby. The doula showed up like five minutes before he was born. And they like, separated me from the baby, pulled my placenta out in a freight elevator, which is medical malpractice that I could sue for, by the way, because that can create serious hemorrhaging and Infection and lost the placenta, which you need, which I could also sue for. And then told Eli that he couldn't occupy the second bed in the room, which was totally unoccupied because of COVID because they didn't want to clean and disinfect this bed. And so the whole time we were there for like two days, like getting monitored before we were released, he had to crouch in an armchair with, like, zero sleep. Like, that's insane.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And my story is relatively, like, positive and uplifting because nothing bad happened. Like, people have other way more terrible horror stories.

[Anna]

Some people had to get boosted to go to the sack of one.

[Dasha]

I'm just saying. What do you talk politics? Your politics are based on. Yeah, of course they are.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

I'm pissed off about this shit for sure.

[Anna]

I mean, at least there wasn't a bum in the bed. Social distancing.

[Dasha]

When those two are like, oh, you're a nihilist who's spreading nihilism. Like, what are you talking about? This is like the opposite of nihilism.

[Anna]

And it's like a 2018, like, talking point about us that's like, been perpetuated for no real reason. We're definitely like, say what you will.

[Dasha]

About nihilism is thinking that young children should not be stuck with an experimental vaccine that was cooked up by the same people who were funding the gain of function research that led to the outbreak of the pandemic in the first place. That's nihilism.

[Anna]

So crazy, dude.

[Dasha]

Yeah, y'all crazy.

[Anna]

Do you think I'm infertile from the vax?

[Dasha]

No, you're fine. I actually think that the vax is probably fine. Aside from all those 25 year old athletes who, like, dropped out of myocarditis or whatever.

[Anna]

Yeah, I'm not an able bodied man.

[Dasha]

Yeah. I mean, the nice thing about humans is, like, how quickly we would bounce back from adversity and trauma.

[Anna]

That's true. I like, Yeah. I pray for Dr. Fauci sometimes because I hate him so much.

[Dasha]

That's really nice of you.

[Anna]

Yeah, I'm like. I'm like, oh, it's actually not so good for, like, my soul that I, like, want this man to die in a jail cell, that I want the last thing he sees to be the wall of a jail cell. So when I those thoughts kind of occur to me, I try to rectify them through prayer.

[Dasha]

Prayer Put him in central booking with Diddy and Sam Bankman. You can make a podcast about it. I can go on Tucker Carlson.

[Anna]

But I really do it does. It's even like I. I couldn't. I couldn't do what you did with all the printed out documents.

[Dasha]

I mean, this is like many years of being a mentally ill online autist.

[Anna]

But I was even like, just revisiting kind of like lab. You know, as much as I, like, hate Fauci, I am ready. I'm like, I'm so. It's so upsetting that I am ready to just like move on and. But then I get, you know, I get scared, like the way I am about Indian or I'm like, oh. Like, I just remember that feeling of like the totalitarian overreach of like being so, like, disempowered.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And like putting on the gloves and the mask and just being like, this is my life now. And. Yeah, maybe it's some like, inherited, like. So, like there was like, remnants of like, Soviet traumas where. But I remember because I was with Dan at the time and we were in his, like, high rise in Long Island City. And I remember, like, the windows wouldn't open all the way. So I remember like smoking cigarettes out of like a small, like crack.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And being like, damn. Like, my family tried to, like, outrun like the Soviet Union and it just like came back to. It's like, we can't, but in a.

[Dasha]

More gay and way.

[Anna]

Yeah. Like, even worse. And there's no. And the shelves are bare and I'm waiting in a line to buy fucking flower. And I'm smoking out of a tiny crib. Little Vera in a little, like, pod. And. But yeah, I'm like, I'm like. And they could do. Almost felt like, like a flex to be like, the government could just take away all your rights, like, over overnight. I'll just take them. They'll just say, you don't. You don't get to go outside anymore. You'll kill somebody and you're a bad person. Actually. Actually, if you think you should be able to go outside and if you don't want to get a fucking vaccine.

[Dasha]

You'Re actually bad and deserve to die. And your family deserves to suffer for your sins.

[Anna]

And yeah, I have this like, kind of like cucked and broken part of me that's like, please don't do another coronavirus.

[Dasha]

I know. And it's like, I'm like Martin Mode right now.

[Anna]

Please, Dr. Fauci, don't put me back in the cell. Like, oh, I'm so sorry.

[Dasha]

Yeah, but how can you not be angry and bitter about that? Like, it's a normal human reaction of Course, there are certain things you should be angry and bitter about.

[Anna]

I know.

[Dasha]

And it's like. Yeah. But there's also testament to, like, the beauty and positivity of human nature that, like, people can, like. I'm willing to forgive Anthony Fauci if someone, anyone, would give us a guarantee that this will never happen again.

[Anna]

Well, no one can do that. And they will probably do it again or some version. It's. Yeah.

[Dasha]

And you think of all the young people, like, okay, like, we're, like, a little too old to have even experienced the brunt of it. You think of all, like, the children and teenagers who were, like, quarantined in lockdown and then had to become, like, Harry Cezanne.

[Anna]

I know. I'm like, my late 20s. I'm like, I only got to be on succession, and maybe I could have done more projects in my late 20s, but. Yeah. Young people, old people who died alone. It's all so egregious. And, like, it did just.

[Dasha]

I'm just hoping that my grandpa had some, like, beautiful, busty, Pam Greer ass Jamaican nurse to keep him company.

[Anna]

I hope so, too. But, I mean, I think people's. It was so, like, unprecedented that people weren't prepared for it, and now maybe there would be more. I don't think they'll collectively will, like, let something like that happen again. Maybe that's probably a little optimistic. Sick.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

But it did really, like, show me just how powerful the government was and.

[Dasha]

The media and the academic institutions.

[Anna]

Yeah. How much they could all just, like. And I. Yeah. I remember talking to my dad, who obviously, like, was sentient when the collapse of the Soviet Union happened, and he was like. Yeah. He was like, one day you're living in a country, and the next day it doesn't exist anymore. Like, it just does. Like, it really does. It can and does just happen. What's that book where they talk about sto. Where, like, everything was forever until it wasn't or whatever the. Yeah, it's like a collection of essays.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

It's a. But. Yeah, it's like, it does. It really does just kind of happen to you. And there you are pretty dis. We are all pretty, like, disempowered. And that's. I think a lot of, you know, people always talk about how you shouldn't. Black pill and stuff.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

You know, we have to keep our morale high. But the reality is, it's like the government does. They can't just take it away and they can put you in jail for going outside or they can yeah. Not let you go to the saga.

[Dasha]

Well, that's why I say that, like, there is some justice in the world. And, like, we do have to credit the gross malfeasance of the scientific and academic and government establishment for, like, the rise of independent media.

[Anna]

Is that justice, though? I mean, there's consequences in the world, but I don't.

[Dasha]

But I would hope that if something like this came to happen again, there are now guys in place, like Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan, who will have, like, dissenting voices on their shows to talk about it. You know, even. Even Dr. Drew at the time gotten. Got a lot of flack because he was very skeptical about the origins of COVID and about the efficacy of vaccine mandates and that sort of thing.

[Anna]

It doesn't feel like justice. I think there is kind of. No.

[Dasha]

No, it's not. I mean, I guess the nicest consequence of suffering through Covid was that we got to meet Dr. Drew and have him on the podcast.

[Anna]

I mean, we fared relatively well through it all. But I guess, yeah, it kind of reaffirmed my Christian hunch that there isn't really justice on Earth. That just is something that happens later.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

And in our mortality, we're, like, beholden to powers that are unjust, and there's really nothing we can really do about it. I mean, really, like, you know. Yeah, like, there can be dissenting voices, but, like, in the ussr, they can be, like. There could be a word. You know, there's a worse version of COVID that completely.

[Dasha]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Anna]

Where people are, like, where there aren't dissenting voices. And that's why we're lucky to be in America. But even that is, like, kind of a flimsy promise in the end.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

The American dream, etc. They'll still call you on the phone, make sure you haven't left your house if you've been exposed to co.

[Dasha]

I remember that. Who are those people? Like, volunteers or employees?

[Anna]

They were probably bureaucrats who hopefully are.

[Dasha]

Now unemployed, thanks to Doge.

[Anna]

But, yeah, on this. Must have been 2022, maybe. It was 2021, I guess I. Yeah, I was exposed to Covid on New Year's Eve, and then it was. When did Jan6 happen? That was 2021.

[Dasha]

Jan6.

[Anna]

I know, but 2021.

[Dasha]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Anna]

So the first week of January, I was quarantining due to being, quote, exposed to Covid. And I had. Every day, some person called me on the phone and said, did you leave your house today? And I said, no, sir, just to get groceries. Sir, I went to the grocery store every damn day. Yeah.

[Dasha]

It was like do. Yeah, I remember you were like cooking up like vegan slavic vegan.com.

[Anna]

Baby. I was making go vegan style. I was doing all sorts of experiment. I was on so much Adderall.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I was not. My ass is not eating.

[Dasha]

Well, like living through covet is a lot like giving birth. Which is why I'm such a Me too skeptic. Because I think people are generally designed, primed to bounce back from trauma.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

And forget about it. It's like the intense pain of labor is something that you remember intellectually but not like physically or emotionally. Because if you did, you wouldn't want to do it again.

[Anna]

Right.

[Dasha]

And there is something beautiful but also sad about how quickly people forgot about what happened.

[Anna]

I know.

[Dasha]

Because we were just happy to move on. Yeah.

[Anna]

We just really were happy to have to shower, medical paperwork, to eat in the sidewalk shed, get like swabbed. Oh my God, so many. I was getting this swab daily.

[Dasha]

Yeah, daily.

[Anna]

I was going to Long Island City to get a swab to go to work. And then it became this weird on like, like later on in Covid. I remember like self administering the COVID test and could have, I could have easily done it, you know, I not have even done like it became this kind of like humiliation ritual, like swabbing yourself and pretend, you know, it was all like so gay.

[Dasha]

Yeah. And then everybody had like a cold or a flu. You had to swab yourself with like a kit that was made in China.

[Anna]

Yeah.

[Dasha]

Probably in a factory that was like adjacent to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And it never gave you like a real answer because those tests were also like really fake and flimsy.

[Anna]

Of course.

[Dasha]

And like, I don't know, I. I got Covid, I think like twice after the. The original exposure and nothing happened. It was like a two day illness. And I actually remember one thing that I remember vividly was that the baby also obviously had Covid, but he recovered. He had like. He was like running a fever and was. Had the sniffles. But he like recovered within 24 hours. And that really like made it clear to me that like young children should not be getting the COVID vaccine because unless they're obese or immunocompromised, they pass the virus very quickly. It just doesn't affect them.

[Anna]

Yeah. And like the lab in Wuhan, the introduction of this horrible virus into the world, into someone's. The world of someone's body.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Is. Does more harm Than good. Clearly.

[Dasha]

Yeah. It can't not.

[Anna]

Oh, Anna.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

I hate coronavirus.

[Dasha]

I mean, I hate coronavirus, too, but I hate the people who invented it and lied about it to us even more. I want, like.

[Anna]

Like, yeah, they made it no lab.

[Dasha]

I'm not like, a grudgy or a vindictive person. I kind of like, live and let live. But I sometimes, like. Like. The only thing that I really like, my only retribution that I fantasize about is not against, like, ex friends or ex boyfriends or, like, haters on the Internet or anything like that. It's against Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci. I want, like, a Nuremberg trial for all of these.

[Anna]

Bring the beagles out.

[Dasha]

Get the beagles out here. The capital punishment is that you get mauled by the lab beagles. It's like Islamic stoning.

[Anna]

Or he has to have his, like, head eaten by flies. Like, the pieces of the beagles or something. Some horrible thing. I know.

[Dasha]

I hate Dr.

[Anna]

But it's not like, old, you know, it's. He should bear the brunt of responsibility, but it's not solely his fault.

[Dasha]

Well, him and Peter Dasak and. Yeah, my. My new book coming out, Sky Horse publishing. I hate Dr. Fauci. Like, we wanted you to write a long essay about how feminists and libtards suck.

[Anna]

But we'll take.

[Dasha]

But I'll take that.

[Anna]

I'll take I hate Dr. Fauci a children's book.

[Dasha]

We'll just take your plagiarism of the Nicholas Wade article on the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists.

[Anna]

I hate scientists. I hate doctors. Doctors. I hate Dr. Fauci.

[Dasha]

We should have Niccolo back on the pod.

[Anna]

No one wants that.

[Dasha]

Nobody wants him. But just so I can ask them a question of what would you have done differently under Covid versus aids? And it'll be like, everything.

[Anna]

I mean, this. What's her name, the Turkish woman?

[Dasha]

Zep Tufek. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but it's my progress. Her name, of course, I looked through.

[Anna]

Yeah, I was like. Because I was like, what. What's. What gives you the audacity as a New York Times like Abed columnist to. I don't think she chose the title for this article, but again, yeah, it's. It's like she's kind of been saying this for some time, and maybe 21, 22, she had an article about, like, what could have been done differently.

[Dasha]

What did. What were her suggestions?

[Anna]

Her talking points were like, china could have been China wasn't Honest about what really was going on in the lab.

[Dasha]

Well, China's never honest about anything, so.

[Anna]

And then Taiwan's a big talking point for her because they had pretty strict lockdown measures and something like 500 people died in Taiwan. And she said if America had adhered to the same, like, protocols that Taiwan did, we could have had like 12,000 casualties instead of, like, I don't know.

[Dasha]

New America wasn't letting in random migrants. Maybe.

[Anna]

I forget the rest, but she. Yeah, she did have some piece where she was like, this was what could. Like, like going through kind of the hypothetical, like, alternatives to how the. How Covid was handled.

[Dasha]

Yeah. I mean, I think, like, probably like the. The clear cut. Like, you probably had two options. It was like total authoritarian control, like in Singapore and Thailand.

[Anna]

Taiwan.

[Dasha]

Or Taiwan. Oops, whatever. Elizotho. Or like achieving herd immunity, like vaccinating the elderly and immunocompromised and letting everyone else try their luck.

[Anna]

But there was some. Yeah, it was. We didn't have the facts for. I don't know, it feels like I. Yeah. I have, like, amnesia about.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Aspects of the. Doesn't make me like a reliable commentator.

[Dasha]

Same. Which is why I'm glad that I'm armed with this giant Dossier of printouts. 2021.

[Anna]

And it was Sweden that did the herd immunity thing.

[Dasha]

Yeah. One of those Scandinavian countries.

[Anna]

An ethnostate. We don't have that luxury here. And so our population isn't like, beholden to the same level of social conformity is Scandinavian people are where they already, like, are taking. You know, it's not a high trust.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Society where people, you know, if they don't feel good, won't go outside because they already all have welfare. Have to go to work. And it's just America's too varied and I mean, I just wouldn't have lied if it was me. If I was Dr. Fauci. I just wouldn't have, like, lied. And I probably wouldn't have funded the.

[Dasha]

Research and Wuhan in the first place.

[Anna]

Yeah. That's really what I would have done differently has been like, maybe we don't need to research the novel coronavirus. It seems dangerous.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Because I guess we already have, like, real world evidence that manufacturing viruses in a lab versus having them jump naturally from, like, animal to human host creates way more problems.

[Anna]

Exactly. We don't. Yeah. I wouldn't have eaten that bat soup. I'll eat that garbage from the Wuhan market I was at. But yeah, it seems like it all could have been bordered. And then I would have.

[Dasha]

I'm probably immune to AIDS now.

[Anna]

Yeah, I got the. That vac.

[Dasha]

Saunter over to the homeless encampment after we're done recording. Like, hey, guys, are any of you white?

[Anna]

I mean, people don't even. Guys, anyone? People don't. Don't people really not kind of get AIDS anymore?

[Dasha]

They definitely do, but it's a manageable disease versus a death sentence.

[Anna]

Really. People are still.

[Dasha]

I feel like a lot more gay guys than we think have AIDS. Yeah.

[Anna]

Last thing.

[Dasha]

Wait.

[Anna]

Got AIDS.

[Dasha]

HIV.

[Anna]

In 2024.

[Dasha]

I feel like getting HIV data can't be publicly available yet. If it's even right.

[Anna]

They said that it's not available 2022, 2023 from UNAIDS. Sounds a lot like USA. 1.3 million got HIV in 2023.

[Dasha]

I'm probably going to cut this part. So. My God.

[Anna]

Seems. This seems bad.

[Dasha]

Off topic. Okay, so we've gotten to the bottom of this.

[Anna]

New.

[Dasha]

New AIDS infections are mainly limited to sub Saharan Africa. Intravenous drug users and homosexuals.

[Anna]

So Bill Gates. So it's Bill Gates's fault. And they got a stop. This research in the. In Wuhan. They got to stop. We need to stop researching the pandemics.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Because they're just causing the pandemics.

[Dasha]

Yeah. Like stop tampering with fate and playing God.

[Anna]

Seems wrong.

[Dasha]

Yeah.

[Anna]

Anyway.