Vax Scene

Summary

Red Scare Podcast – "Vax Scene" (Sept 10, 2025)

Hosts: Anna Khachiyan (“A”) and Dasha Nekrasova (“B”)

Overview

In "Vax Scene," Anna and Dasha offer a characteristically sardonic and critical take on American culture, parasociality, male self-improvement influencers, online toxicity, post-pandemic neuroses, the shifting trust in medical institutions, and the culture wars around vaccines and governance. The episode is a dense, freewheeling conversation, oscillating between personal anecdotes, cultural critique, political discourse, and bleak humor, all while maintaining the duo’s signature tone of faux-diffidence and razor wit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Red Scare Podcast: Uniqueness & Parasociality

• The hosts begin with a tongue-in-cheek discussion about what makes Red Scare “the best podcast,” referencing Anna's late-night, drunken query to ChatGPT ([00:42]).
  • Anna: "We don't have all the facts because we spread misinformation, but also details about our personal lives, which really draws people in to develop the parasocial attention." ([01:14])
  • Dasha: "Most people do hate their friends, so...and themselves." ([01:34])
• They reflect on parasociality as both an attraction and pathology affecting modern audiences and themselves ([07:09]–[12:00]).

Gender Online: Male Influencers and the Feminization of the Internet

• Dasha critiques the rise of male self-help influencers (e.g., Tim Ferriss, Huberman Lab), arguing their “fungible advice” is more grating than female “makeup tutorials,” which she calls “innate and harmless” in women, but “revolting in a man” ([02:01]).
  • Dasha: “In some ways, [makeup tutorials] are extremely forgivable in women...but in a man, it’s just revolting.” ([02:01])
  • The duo riff on Patrick Bateman as an archetype for this masculinized, navel-gazing virtual persona ([03:16]).
• They joke that “the Internet’s for girls and gays,” and lament the effects on relationships where both partners are “too online” ([04:03]).

Parasociality, Criticism, and the Economy of Hate

• They discuss how online comments oscillate between genuine concern and performative/ironic vitriol ([06:12]).
  • Dasha: "People do that for us too. Except in a sneering, ironically, because they actually wish misery and death upon us...I hope she dies. Her son will trun out." ([06:12])
• Anna admits to a semi-parasocial fascination with singer Dave Blunt due to shared hospital/health experiences, contrasting “haters” with actual investment ([07:46]–[09:07]).

On Trump and Presidential Health Rumors

• Over Labor Day weekend, rumors circulated online about Trump dying, which the hosts lampoon as a symptom of media/social neurosis ([13:25]–[14:45]).
  • Discussion of Trump’s alleged “visible foundation on his hand,” the unreliability of images, and exhaustion with “data chaos” ([14:08]–[15:11]).

The COVID Aftermath: Society, Shooters, and New Pathologies

• They pivot to the rise of nihilistic violence, focusing on recent mass shootings by trans individuals ([16:39]–[24:40]).
  • The conversation laments the post-COVID spike in neuroses, social alienation among youth, and speculative connections between Internet brain, “meme poisoning,” and a new “physiognomy” appearing among young, radicalized shooters ([22:00]–[23:35]).
  • Dasha: “We’re spawning new humanoids in our lifetime, which is crazy.” ([21:35])
  • Anna links this directly to “societal failure” and the incapacity to help troubled youth ([23:35]–[23:45]).

Transgenderism, AGP, and New Internet Taxonomies

• Extended theorizing on the typologies of transgender individuals, the limitations of the “Blanchard taxonomy,” and the rise of “sissy gooners” and Internet-enabled identity disorders ([26:10]–[28:45]).
  • Dasha: “Now you have these people, these creatures...not homosexual, not AGP, just sick from porn.” ([26:36])

Institutional Distrust: The CDC, RFK Jr. & Vaccine Debates

• The episode's center of gravity is a long segment on the erosion of trust in the CDC/medical authorities and RFK Jr’s Senate hearings ([29:37]–[47:15]).
  • Dasha quotes the New York Times article listing 9 previous CDC directors decrying RFK Jr., mocking both the bureaucratic “cabal” and the “Jewish vampires” stereotype: “We are all Jewish vampires over a hundred years old. Some of us are a thousand years old. We run the world. Welcome to our cabal.” ([31:14])
  • Both hosts skewer the medical establishment for colluding with legacy media, conniving politicians, and big pharma, positioning their attacks on RFK as an actual “conspiracy” ([31:44]).
  • Anna: “These experts...have no credibility. Nobody trusts them...they’re all getting together to call RFK Jr. a conspiracy theorist grifter when they’re literally the definition of conspiracy.” ([31:21])

The COVID Legacy: Distrust and Fractured Consensus

• Dasha on CDC’s post-COVID credibility: “Before COVID people trusted the CDC, like it was something like 87% of people had high trust.” ([38:34])
• Both argue the “loss of faith” is systemic and justified, not simply a product of right-wing conspiracy: “Our intuitions are correct that we’re being lied to and you shouldn’t trust the medical establishment.” ([41:41])
• The push to vaccinate everyone (including infants/pregnant women) is characterized as “evil” ([45:04]).
  • Dasha: “The fact that they were pushing it on infants, children, pregnant women...to this day is to me like such a great evil.” ([45:04])

Vaccine Panel & the Hep B Controversy

• Extended reflection on the bureaucratic, liability-driven, and “lowest common denominator” approach to infant Hep B vaccinations and parental skepticism ([53:15]–[59:18]).
  • Anna: “Can you blame the average person who’s not really able to parse the studies or data for being skeptical and asking questions?” ([57:33])

Experts, Ideology, and the Limits of Medical “Truth”

• Anna cites Mark Crispin Miller re: why ‘experts’ double down on institutional credibility; their self-worth and status are entangled with these institutions ([59:37]).
• Dasha: “It stands to reason that they’re not even aware how captured and corrupt they are – it’s a purely unconscious process.” ([60:12])

American Democracy: Monarchy, Oligarchy & the Yarvin Debate

• The last segment dives into the effectiveness (or not) of American democracy, referencing a recent Curtis Yarvin (a.k.a. Mencius Moldbug) debate ([64:29]–[84:48]).
  • Anna: “All democracies ultimately devolve into [oligarchy]. That’s not a corruption of power, it’s just a fact of life.” ([67:02])
  • Dasha: “Is democracy a legitimate form of government?...Democracy is a tool of government, not a form. What we really have is an oligarchy.” ([66:29])
• Dasha’s summary: “Oligarchy is a much more functional system because you can always fudge, avoid responsibility.” ([73:59])
• They reject the idea that American culture could accept a monarchy, even conceptually ([74:38]).
  • Anna: “America can’t be a monarchy. It’s un-American.” ([74:38])

Vaccine Skepticism and Autism Theories

• Discussion of media hysteria around RFK and Tylenol/autism claims – the hosts clarify, with heavy skepticism, that actual linkage remains unproven and the media hypes up unsubstantiated claims ([87:26]–[88:18]).
• Both entertain, with a semi-ironic tone, that pediatric autism’s increase might be vaccine-linked, but also blame environmental, diagnostic, and social factors ([89:12]–[91:15]).

Urban Sociology: Protest Astroturfing & Migrant Labor

• Closing riff on UN protests in NYC possibly being astroturfed: "A lot of the protest activity...is astroturfed. They all have the same chants, they’re all from some weird organization." ([99:34])
  • Anna expresses curiosity about the lived realities of African handbag sellers/food couriers in Manhattan, pondering their networks, prospects, and family situations ([100:45]–[104:44]).

Acne Vaccine: Science Gone Too Far?

• They discuss a "baffling" new acne vaccine trial in Singapore, reading it as another example of questionable post-pandemic science and the scope creep of medical intervention ([107:14]–[109:20]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On parasociality:
  “We don’t have all the facts because we spread misinformation, but also details about our personal lives, which really draws people in to develop the parasocial attention.” — Anna ([01:14])
• On male self-help influencers:
  “I’m always annoyed at dumb foids for narrativizing their experience...but in a man, it’s just revolting.” — Dasha ([02:01])
• On vaccine skepticism:
  “Our intuitions are correct that we’re being lied to and you shouldn’t trust the medical establishment.” — Dasha ([41:41])
• On American government:
  “America can’t be a monarchy. We were founded on, like, principles of liberty. It would be unconstitutional, wouldn’t be American.” — Anna ([74:38])
• On the CDC, COVID, and trust:
  “Before COVID people trusted the CDC, like it was something like 87%...now, [they] have eroded the public’s trust and they did it to themselves.” — Dasha ([38:34])
• On the vaccinating of infants:
  “Why submit a newborn child who should be, like, nuzzling in the breast of his mother to countless boundless interventions?” — Dasha ([54:12])
• On the proliferation of new “humanoids”:
  "We're spawning new humanoids in our lifetime, which is crazy." — Dasha ([21:35])

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Key Timestamps

• [00:42] – What makes Red Scare “the best podcast”; parasociality begins
• [02:01–03:09] – Gendered Online Persona: Ferriss, YouTube, “foids,” and Bateman
• [07:09–12:24] – Parasocial critics, haters, and fandom; Dave Blunt
• [13:25] – Rumors of Trump’s death & media absurdity
• [16:39–24:01] – Trans mass shooters, COVID fallout, and the youth neurosis
• [24:42–28:45] – Gender theory, AGPs, “sissy gooners,” Blanchard taxonomy updated
• [29:37–47:15] – CDC, RFK Jr., Senate hearings; erosion of public trust; vaccine panel debate; Hep B for newborns
• [64:29–84:48] – Yarvin debate: democracy, monarchy, oligarchy, American constitutional structure
• [87:26–91:15] – Autism, vaccines, and shifting diagnostic paradigms
• [99:34–104:44] – Astroturfing at the UN; curiosity about migrant labor systems
• [107:14–109:20] – Acne vaccine trial: a symptom of post-pandemic excess?

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Tone, Language, and Content Notes

• The episode blends playful self-deprecation, intellectual provocation, and bluntly combative commentary.
• The hosts are highly aware (and performative) about misinformation, “vibes-based” intuition, and the blurred boundaries between irony and sincerity in online discourse.
  • They offer speculative, sometimes conspiratorial takes—but frequently interrupt to hedge, mock themselves, or qualify the limits of their knowledge.
• Social alienation, public derangement, bureaucratic absurdity, and embattled personal agency are running themes; the humor is dark, often nihilistic, and self-lacerating.

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For Listeners: Why This Matters

This episode functions as an incisive cultural temperature check post-pandemic: it weaves personal vulnerability with acerbic critique of American institutions and the waning trust in expertise. Whether they’re discussing vaccine mandates or the impossibility of real democracy, Anna and Dasha’s “vibes” and intellectual instincts reflect the mood of a generation wearied by contradictory authorities, internet-addled identities, and a sense that society’s leaders—whether in medicine or government—are at best bumbling, at worst corrupt. Their blend of laughter and bleak resignation is, itself, a kind of pandemic scar.

Transcript

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We're back.

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We're back.

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We're back to our unlistenable part.

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Oops.

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Damn. Just kidding.

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I feel like this has happened before. I'm getting deja vu.

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The other night. I know. The other night, I was drunk and I typed what Makes Red Scared? The Best Podcast into chat GPT. And it, like, gave me some AIs response. And then I was like, do you want me to tell you what the critics say? And I was like, fine. No, I was like, actually, tell me why it's the best.

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Give it to me.

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It made some points, honestly, about why.

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This is the best podcast. What did it say?

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That it's unique, because that is true. We don't have all the facts because we spread misinformation, but also details about our personal lives, which really draws people in to develop the parasocial attention. And then they get to feel like they're listening to their friends or people they hate.

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Yes, same difference. Most people do hate their friends, so.

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And themselves.

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And themselves.

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And that way, it really resonates with people because, yeah, there's a masochistic angle to it as well. Welcome back to the Best Podcast.

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The Best podcast in America.

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I'm doing the power of positive thinking. I'm like, your radio show is great.

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Shot by day, Red Scare podcast by night. I was going down the rabbit hole of another Tim Ferriss video where the comments were like, is he okay? I'm really concerned about him. He's some tech influencer who makes, like, videos and podcasts about how to be successful and efficient. And it's unclear what he actually did to become successful and efficient. He just mostly talks about he made the videos, his, like, stack of tools and products that he uses to be successful and efficient. So, like, after being exposed to him enough times, I really owe women an apology because I. I'm always annoyed at dumb foids for, like, narrativizing their experience and talking about their makeup tutorials and, like, sex tips and tricks because it's, like, tedious and boring and you're, like, particularizing the universal and making it about yourself. But in some ways, this is extremely forgivable in women because it's, like, innate and harmless, but in a man, it's just revolting.

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I mean, I love the makeup tutorial.

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Yeah, I'm always like, let's go.

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What are you.

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Girl.

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Girls.

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I'm sorry. You got this. This is for you. It just. It's like. It's like Patrick Bateman, you know, like.

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Well, the Internet's for girls and gays. We've always said this.

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They.

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It's really kind of a. Effeminate.

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Yeah.

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And space. But yeah, like, the reason, it's for sissies to see men really engage with it.

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It's for girls and gays and straight men who want to be sissified into tring out.

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I mean, it's one of the things I truly love about my husband is that he's. That he doesn't go on online.

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One person in the relationship needs to be offline. Definitely both of you can't be online.

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Ideally both.

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But yes.

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If one of you is. If one of you is handicapped, then. If one of you has a sickness, then it's nice for your spouse.

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I'm so, like, Internet poisoned that it doesn't even occur to me that both people in the relationship could also just be offline. But. Okay, but. But one is better than none. Like, you can't date somebody who's as online as you.

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Definitely not. Not sustainable.

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And like. But the whole lure of Patrick Bateman as a character. Right. Is that, like, it's like estranging the mundane because his, like, finicky pretentiousness, psychotic vanity and psychosis is, like, unusual in a straight male. And it wouldn't work if the character was a gay guy or a woman.

[A]

It's true. It'd just be a documentary.

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Yeah. So that's why. That's why encountering this guy, who, by the way, is like, he's part of like, the. The Huberman extended universe. And he's. He fell off, like, many years ago.

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He says alcohol is bad for you. Yeah.

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And, like, get your son, get your steps, take supplements. Like, all this annoying. Use this, like, medieval bed of nail type yoga mat that you have to travel with at all.

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Dan Allegretto uses that. Yeah.

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I remember when Daniela Greto got wasted and fell asleep on the mat and had like, bizarre medieval injuries the following day. But yeah, and it's like he travels with all this annoying bullshit, like an aeropress and like, a thermal flask and the mat and a foam roller and stress balls.

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Where is he even going?

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Where.

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Why is he traveling?

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And all of it is to, like, you know, all of it is to, like, kind of like iron out his. The knots in his body and massage out his muscles. Like, so you're in a world of pain at all times. You're in a world of existential pain that you've converted.

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It's like physical pain. He has fibromyalgia.

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So when I look at a guy like that, I'm like, oh my God, I've been so hard on women.

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Not so bad.

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They're fine. But the point, the reason I bring him up is that all the comments under this particular video was like. Were like, oh, it's so unusual. He's like, he. He must be down bad. I'm concerned. I hope, I hope he finds peace. I hope he's well. And they were so kind and generous and I was like, oh, yeah, people do that for us too. Except in a. In a sneering ironically because they actually wish misery and death upon us. Her hair is falling out. I hope her husband's cheating on her. Her baby daddy is gay. I hope, I hope she dies. Her son is going to trun out.

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We have well wishers.

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I hope you get raped by a pack of boobs. No, we do. We do the silent majority.

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You know, we do have a vocal critic base, but the kind of okay.

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Basis of the behavior is the same, which is parasociality.

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Yeah.

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Which admittedly as a podcaster is confounding baffling to me because I find it hard to maintain parasocial dynamics with anyone because I don't really care about other people, let alone celebrities and micro celebrities that much. Outside of people who are like my friends and family.

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I'm a little invested in Dave Blunt's life because he. It's a big motif in his songs and I really want him to get healthy so he can keep making music.

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You should start leaving abusive comments under his.

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Yeah, he has haters. They fun of him for being fat and having to sit down on stage and stuff. They can't stand to see him win.

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Yeah, well, what can he do? He can't really stand.

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He's working on it. He's getting better.

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Yeah, but he keeps saying that.

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I don't know. I was.

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He.

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I was. He was resonate, resonating with me a lot before I went to the hospital. And now I really relate to his. The being in the hospital and I'm like, this is the truest music. I already kind of felt his pain in a, you know.

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Yeah.

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Existential way. But now that we've had some of the same experiences with difficulty breathing and being hospitalized and being addicted to benzos.

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Why not George Floyd? He doesn't do it for you.

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Well, he doesn't take. He's not that fat. He seems like he probably stays out the hospital.

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He dead.

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He's dead now. Yeah. Yeah.

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I just want him back.

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Just not as much of a talent.

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Right.

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All around.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Dave Blunt is so sweet. You know his real name is Davion Blessing.

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Oh, he changed that.

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Dave Blunt is called too. Oh yeah, it's not short for David. His name is Davion.

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Yeah. Fun fact. Black people do be throwing you that kind of curveball where you think they have like a. Their nickname.

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David Blunt. I thought his name was David Blunt. His name Blessing. Beautiful.

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It's like some rapper named like Jolene. His name is like Joseph.

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Jozekiel. But yeah, besides that, that. He just came to mind when you said parasocial because I do find myself kind of like thinking about so if he's gonna get Solar back and how she ran away from his love and stuff.

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Yeah, but that's like kind of semi ironic and semi. A bit. I believe that your fascination with him is genuine. I'm also like fascinated by certain people. Like I feel like our haters also.

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Convince themselves that they're or like cum boys, you know, they're like, I'm a comedian too. Like my best friend, Nick Mull.

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Yeah.

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Laughs it's all just one funny joke. But. But besides that, I really don't care.

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Yeah, really.

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Or there was someone I recently. I forget. It'll come to me. Oh, not Nick Fuentes. I don't care so much about his personal life, but I do have care.

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About his personal life.

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I do have an emotional kind of. Because I watch him America first late at night. It is. I do have kind of like a wind down like emotional attachment.

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You're gonna meme yourself into being horny for Fuentes?

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No, no, no.

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But I get it. Yeah. I don't. I don't care about his personal life. Not. I don't mean that in a shady way at all. I just like don't give a. And I actually like. Like I said, what I find most relatable about him is that he's like, I'm a fuck up and a misfit, not relatable. And you don't want to be like me and you should not follow my example. Yeah, but you should listen to some of the things I say because I have some critical distance and detachment and I've really thought about these things.

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Right. Well, he was sick this week and he's so he on I hope he dies telegram. He said, I'm sick, I'm not gonna do a show tonight. And then I did. And that is parasocial where I'm like. I'm like, he's sick and he's not going to do a show tonight. Then I'm like, you need to overlap. You need to. You can't get upset that America first isn't going to be on tonight. You have to just move on. Like when people are like those red scare girls, their show so terrible and the episodes are so short.

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Yeah.

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And they put them out so infrequently.

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Wait, do they really say the episodes are short? I think they're a little too long, if you ask sometimes.

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Well, our last one we cut short and I saw someone Maybe on page two.

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Last one was almost an hour 40. That's pretty hot.

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It's because we got into the rhythm of doing the two hour ones because we get drunk and start like rambling. But, like, you don't need that shit.

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What are you complaining about? An hour 30 is a good length for a podcast. I know, an hour of service.

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But that's parasite. That's parasite. They want more.

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I know, that's true.

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They're like, why? What else. What else are your great. What great thoughts have you had this week? Well, we. I feel like we haven't actually done an episode in a little while. It feels like a lot of times a while.

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But I want to say it's been a little over a week.

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I like, because last episode there wasn't a lot in the news cycle. That's when we were talking about the boo boos and stuff.

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Right.

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But now, well, over Labor Day weekend, people are saying Trump was dead.

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Right.

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But he's not at all.

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He's completely alive, completely fine. And like, that's crazy.

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Also, don't scare me like that because.

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He was gone for what, like two, three days?

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Yeah. It's because he's been so present.

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Yeah. But Biden would disappear for weeks, months.

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And. And we have it confirmed.

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Yeah.

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That he was fully like had dementia and was being elder abused and didn't know where he was and was on Ambien and stuff. Like, we. That's projection. And Trump is sharp, his mind.

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Yeah. What was that? Okay, can you explain? I'm like out to lunch lately and can you explain that whole discourse about him having visible foundation on his hand?

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He has bruising on his hands. He's a really old man.

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Yeah.

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And he probably gets some kind of infused. I mean, it's not implausible that he would have some kind of health problems or feel burned out or unwell sometimes.

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Yes. He's all getting some kind of injections or they're drawing blood or blah, blah, blah. Or needles. Yeah.

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But yeah, it looked like he came out of a Sephora.

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And then I was reading that, that image Was like fake or doctored.

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Right. That's always the thing.

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That's the other thing. You never know anymore.

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You're too exhausted to check, so you kind of just.

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Yeah, the other thing is like, you know, I hate to break it to everyone, but Trump is going to die at some point. I know that's just inevitable. It's like sad think about, but it's going to have.

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Sure.

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He knows it.

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I don't. I was like, there's no way.

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Yeah, right.

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That Melania Time magazine cover that was circulating that I just was like, damn. I was like, we got a great thing to talk about on the podcast. And then I looked it up and I was like the. I was like, it's just fake and I never would fake news. And so Melania is on the COVID of Time magazine.

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Did you see this? AI memes. Yeah, we should just do that for now on.

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That's crazy. Yeah, I. I'm sure that Hindustan Times, that's going to be our main. The paper of record. We're only reporting on Indian news from now on. I want to.

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I want.

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We kind of. The trans.

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I want to feature a profile in a Hindustan Times.

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I know we might even have one. Probably like regurgitated some Daily Mail thing that was like influencers pull sick ISIS stunt.

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With their Bobs and vajin. They are the best podcasters in America.

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Their net worth is over $10 billion. I guess those sites are like chi. Very Chinese. Yeah, the ones that.

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Wait, what were you saying with the trans. Oh, there was another trans shooter.

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That's why I feel like it's been a long time because it's like, that's like cycles already ended and it happened. Well, I'm surprised more people didn't point this out. It was like we were on the last episode, we talked about nihilistic right wing violence or nihilistic political extremism. And I was like. I was like, what a fake ass thing. And then. Yeah, that shooter who like totally was like nihilistically, you know, motivated by just like sheer like confusion and mental illness and hatred.

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But he wasn't right wing.

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No, but they're just the. They're just kind of David Brooks. David Brooks was conflating the nihilist, nihilistic political extremism with right wing ideology. But it actually isn't that.

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No.

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So I wasn't directionally wrong. I was only technically kind of. I didn't foresee.

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I didn't know people were so against the phrase directionally correct or.

[A]

Yeah, I saw people Yelling at you that today the people are so dumb, they just don't understand.

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Well, we can get to that with the RFK CDC stuff. Oh, yeah, but what was this trans. Something about the trans shooter. Why did trans shooters always try to kill little kids?

[A]

Because they're evil.

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Like that. That's who you seek to target.

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Yeah, they're twisted.

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They're like inverse Holden Caulfields. Instead of like standing at the edge of the cliff and catching children as they fall off, they like mow them down.

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Well, yeah, Holden Caulfield wasn't trans. And I don't care what the woke mob has to say.

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Bug.

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Catcher in the Rye.

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Bug chaser. But what I feel like this is going to be like an ongoing exploding phenomenon of.

[A]

There's all. Yeah, it's. There's already been. There was the other one that went to the Catholic school.

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Yeah. And.

[A]

But I think didn't have any casualties because it was a F to M. Oh, right.

[B]

Oh, Samantha Roop. Was that that one?

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No, I don't remember them. There's name, but. Well, trans male. Also went to a Catholic school. This was like, see, I don't even know how long ago. Re. Semi recently. And I think there weren't. No, maybe there were. Because I remember everyone wanted the manifesto.

[B]

Oh, right, right. Yeah.

[A]

And it was like hard to get in for Tucker was talking about it. But then we had the body cam footage of the heroic guy taking out the. Oh, right. Which was like fun.

[B]

Obviously. Like races and ethnicities have certain physiognomies that like cluster together, but so do certain sexual and gender orientations. Like, you know, like lesbians very often are like bowling pin shaped body. It's not even that. They have like sloping shoulders and wide hips. They have a very specific look to them. And gay guys often have that like glazed, cross eyed Buffy the Vampire Slayer vampire look in their eyes. It's just a thing like I'm not trying to hate because, you know, I love the LGBTQ community. Of course, but that there's this new crop of like transgender non binary people who are a third secret thing where they have this kind of dead eyed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

90% downloaded face physiognomy. Do you know what I'm saying? Like there's something. It's almost like. Yeah, like people. It's like those New York Post recreations of like what influencers will look like in 2030 from using the computer too long. Yeah.

[A]

They have like plastic surgery, but like a hunchback.

[B]

Yeah. And like eczema. Their hair is thinning. Like there's something wrong with all of these people.

[A]

I mean we're a sick, sick country. There's no.

[B]

Yeah, but it's like somebody should. Should take a moment. Not me to. To sit down and like taxonomize the physiognomy of like there's probably not enough.

[A]

Of a data set yet.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's too fringe.

[B]

Yeah. Like somebody should just. You can't do this obviously. But somebody should like sample set all the. The people in that youth shooter discord that they're all coming from the Satan whatever.

[A]

It's. I don't even know. Oh my God.

[B]

But we are spawning like new humanoids in our lifetime. Which is crazy.

[A]

I mean honestly, I think the ripple effects of COVID you're gonna be way worse than we even realize. Like it was a just like neurosis making machine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And like so many like we were lucky enough to be kind of adults old. Yeah. Which like still sucks, you know, but like even like being in college like okay. Sucks. High school. That sucks. But then like little kids who just like absorb this kind of like. Especially if their parents are like hyper vigilant and boosting them and shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like they just. I feel like also a whole generation kind of like experienced this super like damaging event.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That made them. Their brains weren't developed and like they're going to have all sorts of up wrong with them.

[B]

No, I know, I know.

[A]

And it's like. It's like unforeseen even what it'll. How it'll manifest.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

It's like the domino effect guy meme. It's like gain of function research and Wuhan trans satanic school shooter. But like so many things.

[B]

Yeah. They're like. They really are like the worst possible iteration of like Donna Haraway's cyborgs. Like they are cyborgian.

[A]

A lot of them really like that ideology.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Respond to it.

[B]

And they look like they're made from like random junkyard parts.

[A]

I mean we've failed them collectively. The fact that this is like observable social phenomenon is like a societal failure.

[B]

I agree. Yeah.

[A]

And again, I don't know what's real, but I feel like what I've seen from the shooters like manifesto or like whatever information I've absorbed without really doing a deep dive because I don't want.

[B]

To he or she.

[A]

But they regretted transitioning and were was.

[B]

Also like scrolling in Russian.

[A]

Yeah. I mean the. That's this what the shooter in Auckland did. He like wrote on his guns and the first person shooter kind of video, which was. Yeah, it was all. It's all very, like, meme poisoned. Like, everything the shooter basically did was kind of like, memified or referencing something, but, like, all kind of incoherently, just like, evil went in a bad chat room too young.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, like, something really bad happened and.

[B]

People were like, sort of quibbling over whether the trans gender element was the cause or the symptom, like chicken or the egg. And, you know, in some ways, I feel like that's an irrelevant argument to have because, like, whatever that is is, like, people like to throw this phrase around at their rivals and opponents. But, like, like, at its extreme, like transgender, like, as a concept, conceptually, is. Is a lack of empathy. It's an inability to see other people as human beings.

[A]

I don't think that's true. I think both are. Can be true. But I think.

[B]

Well, sorry, let me rephrase that. Not transgenderism, but agp. AGP for sure.

[A]

Yeah. Well, maybe it's an overabundance, empathy, because they want to be the. That they're jacking off to so bad.

[B]

Yeah. But it doesn't. Can't, like, inhabit, like, their lack of empathy is a. Well, it's the lack of empathy. It doesn't occur to them. You can't, like, meaningfully seriously inhabit the.

[A]

Reality of another and because it's all kind of like a weird fetish. It's. But again, one of our projects here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is kind of updating the Blanchard taxonomy, even though he's still alive in the secret third thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I feel like even the AGP thing is almost inadequate for.

[B]

It is now what is, like, real.

[A]

It's. It is outdated because the Internet has, like, proliferated different forms of like, maybe an umbrella. Agpism.

[B]

Well, now you have these people, these creatures that are not exactly agp, but in the sense that they do seem to be like. We're talking about biological males who do seem to be sexually into women, but also are more or less incels. They're not homosexual. But yet they have none of the other qualities associated with AGPs. They're not high achieving, they're not high earning, they're not high iq. They transition earlier rather than later in life. Yeah.

[A]

They're just sick from just like.

[B]

Yeah. Porn sick. Like sissy Gooners.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And their transition is motivated not by having maxed out their masculinity, but by their low status effectively.

[A]

And I feel like the transgenderism is almost like besides the fact, it's like A symptom, not a feature. It's like because of the ideology. In another era, they maybe would have done more of like a Travis Bickle, who know, like, you know, they wouldn't have been trans. It's just like. It's another thing that, like.

[B]

Well, yeah, they were. That's like. Because I saw a lot of right wings ideologically. Well, yeah, like, all trannies are mentally.

[A]

Ill. And I mean, in the way.

[B]

That murderous rage and so on and so forth. And they were basically saying that the. The transgenderism was the cause of the murderous inclinations. And I don't think it is. I think it's just comorbid with whatever serious mental disturbance they have already.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I completely agree.

[B]

Right. Like, and also, yeah, these people are, like, distinct from the classic, like, homosexual, transsexual.

[A]

And well, then, yeah, to me, immediately default and make it about, you know, the TQ or whatever is like, grow. It's just like political opportunism because you associate transgenderism with all these other things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're no better than the left, which is just like anytime a white person does a shooting, you know, we'll capitalize on the opportunity to tell you that they're. That white men should be a classified hate group or whatever. Well, speaking of the sick, sick world, there's one man out there who's trying to make things better. He's getting thwarted by all these sourpuss senators who all receive pharmaceutical sector money to fund their campaigns. And our butt hurt that he's. Well, it's. Yeah. The RFK Senate.

[B]

Yeah. Hearing my. My notes.

[A]

Yeah. So prior to this Senate hearing dropping, there was that article I sent you in the Times that was penned by, like, nine different CDC workers. And then the one in the Wall Street Journal from the woman he fired, which is what they're all up in arms about.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She also wrote an op ed about their closing ranks.

[B]

Yeah. This is a New York Times guest opinion we ran. The CDC RFK Jr is endangering every American's Health by Richard Besser, Mandy K. Cohen, William Fogey, Tom Frieden, Jeffrey Copeland, William Roper, David Sacher and shoe cat and Rochelle P. Walensky. First of all, why do you need nine holes to write one article? Also, like, not to sound like a groiper, but why are they all Jewish?

[A]

I mean, of course, like, eight out.

[B]

Of ten of them. Eight out of nine are Jewish. And it's a piece by nine former permanent or interim CDC directors dating back to 1977. They say we have each had the honor and privilege of serving as director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, either in a permanent or acting capacity dating back to 1977. Collectively, we spent more than 100 years working at the CDC, the world's preeminent public health agency. We are all Jewish vampires over a hundred years old. Some of us are a thousand years old. We run the world. Welcome to our cabal.

[A]

I mean, that's the thing that's so insulting is that we're literally seeing like all of these experts.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Coming together with these legacy media institutions. And then once again. Yeah. These like corrupt senators and who have no credibility. Nobody trusts them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're all getting together to call RFK Jr. A conspiracy theorist grifter. When they're literally all ideal. The definition of conspiracy. Like that is what a conspiracy is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is when you all get together and conspire. Conspire. Latin means one to breathe together, to have one. To all make coordinated actions.

[B]

We are one rat king organism based in Transylvania. We suck the blood of infants.

[A]

I mean, I bet the ones that don't even have Jewish names are Jewish too, somehow.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

That's the thing.

[B]

They. They stress the bipartisan nature of their work, which has taken place under multiple Democratic and Republican administrations. They even praise the first Trump administration for cooperating with them to develop and roll out safe, effective and life saving covet.

[A]

That's not true. Scenes Operation Warp speed. Which. Okay. RFK does have a huge problem, which is he says whatever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he has. Is contradicting himself. And he doesn't really, you know, he's. I think his heart's in the right place and he's pretty smart, but he's really not that smart. And he doesn't.

[B]

He's. And he's kind of a hot head and too full of himself.

[A]

But he's the best we've got and we need to. We need the reform.

[B]

Yeah. As far as this whole thing goes, he's the. The lesser of the two evils by a long shot.

[A]

Well, he's truly like. I mean, boomers love to refer to him as. They have an acronym. Democrat in name only. They call him meaning like he's not. He doesn't pass the Democrat.

[B]

Yeah. Good.

[A]

But he actually is completely like a Democrat. And he is like, I think much like Trump enforcing the Democratic will and that. He's actually like, I'm just so sick of the scold fest. And I think everybody is besides like.

[B]

Well, okay, so here's, here's a quote from that article. It's Kind of long, so bear with me. And also not that interesting. Mr. Kennedy has fired thousands of federal health workers and severely weakened programs designed to protect Americans from cancer, heart attack, strokes, lead poisoning, injury, violence and more. Amid the largest measles outbreak in the United States in a generation, he focused on unproven treatments while downplaying playing vaccines. He canceled investments in promising medical research that will leave us ill prepared for future health emergencies. He replaced experts on federal health advisory committees with unqualified individuals who share his dangerous and unscientific views. He announced the end of US support for global vaccination programs that protect millions of children and keep Americans safe, citing flawed research and making inaccurate statements. And he championed federal legislation that will cause millions of people with health insurance through Medicaid to lose their coverage. Firing Dr. Minarez, which led to resignations of top CDC officials, adds considerable fuel to this raging fire. This is unacceptable and it should alarm every American regardless of political leanings.

[A]

Well I think people aren't actually alarmed because they. I mean some people vaguely are but I really feel like the silent majority stands with our doesn't have any faith in the CDC which did operate separately from. They did not make the coveted vaccine. Yeah they were the ones in charge of like testing like bungling all the testing and the masking requirements. They're literally like create public health policy which nobody trusts.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because they fumbled general so badly. Worse than. Worse than ever.

[B]

Worse than anyone. Yeah. And like the problem is that is with this nobody.

[A]

There was a shooting at the cdc.

[B]

Wait, really?

[A]

When exactly dude, no one even cares.

[B]

Wow. Who was it?

[A]

It was like a month ago or something. Some guy who said coven made him crazy and it was a CDC's fault. Went there killed one person I think but did a full ass.

[B]

Why is that guy not the next Luigi Manjoni?

[A]

I think because people just decided to pretend it didn't really happen because they just don't even care they memory hold it but yeah the problem thoughts and prayers but.

[B]

Decade or so probably going back even further than that. Like the the medical establishment along with virtually every other major institution in the United States has become so politicized and captured that it is very hard to take any of their official statements at.

[A]

Face value and compromise. Completely corrupt in the pocket of big pharma, big healthcare. We all know how that's why people love Luigi Mangiani is because in his like kind of confused gesture really but that like everyone intuits that there's something really broken.

[B]

Well he was lashing out at like.

[A]

The, it's easy to hate the insurance company, but do you have, are you strong enough to hate your senator?

[B]

Yeah. Or your doctor? But he, yeah, he was lashing out at the profit motive of these insurance companies. That's one thing. Like, okay, we know that they're all motivated by profit, but there's like another separate thing which is that they're also completely politically captured and corrupted in a way that exceeds any profit making.

[A]

I mean, it's all about profit making in the end. That's what the corruption for.

[B]

Yeah. Or it's about.

[A]

Yeah, because someone somewhere is making money and they are, they're incentivized to be corrupt for the financial gain.

[B]

Yeah, but it's unclear. It's unclear like the, the exact like, directionality of the financial gain. Who's like immediately profiting from it and like that's not exactly what was going on during COVID Yes. Yeah, no, they're all.

[A]

Prof. They are all like hedging. If they're not directly profiting, they're betting on profiting.

[B]

Yeah, but it was political and ideological collusion that was based in like social consensus, not even profit making. And like, you know, people are right to have questions and be skeptical even if they're like medically unqualified to weigh the evidence and data. And in an ideal society like laymen like us would simply just have faith and trust in these institutions. They used to, to make scale decisions on our behalf. But we can't do that because they have eroded the public's trust and they did it to themselves and people. Literally. Yeah, they literally.

[A]

Before COVID people trusted the CDC like it was something like 87 of people had high trust.

[B]

And now you see all these people who are, you know, experts and employees of these institutions who are always fired on their behalf or people like retarded shit libs who are doing it for free, who are mentally ill because going around again scolding you for being like skeptical and asking questions and trying to, trying to paint you as an anti vaxxer or like a right wing political extremist. I think when you watch MAGA chud.

[A]

When you watch the RFK hearing, it's like the senators are the fringe extremists. And rfk, when they ask him how many people died during COVID and he says, I don't know. I was like, I felt that. I think, I mean, he maybe should know. But the fact is nobody really knows because everything's been manufactured and like there's all, you can't, there's no Trust, we can't know.

[B]

Anyone get into that. Remember that episode of, of Tucker Carlson where he had Ted Cruz on and he was like, what's the population of Iran? I believe it was that, right? Yeah. And Ted Cruz was like, I don't know. And he was like, wait a second, you don't know the population and demography of the country that you're planning on striking. And he was like. And he like really made him show his ass. So this is not equivalent to that. When the, the senators at the hearing are like, robert, do you know how many people died during COVID And he's, they're like trying to pin him down as if it's some kind of owner gotcha that he's like unqualified or unfit. It's like he doesn't know because nobody knows. And he actually had a good answer. He said there was so much data chaos at the time that no one can really say how many Americans died.

[A]

Of COVID how many people died on respite freighters that they shouldn't even been on.

[B]

And especially because they were counting all sorts of like random comorbidities and occurrences as COVID deaths. Mike Benz said, you know, motorcycle accidents and REM poisoning. You remember when people would go in the hospital and die of some other disease or ailment and they had Covid at the time and they would count it as a co death.

[A]

George Floyd, triple boosted, still died.

[B]

But the COVID response basically created a cascade where the public lost trust in the medical establishment. It made them question what else they had been lying about. You know, like the opioid crisis, the food pyramid, so many other things, prenatal and postnatal care, to name a few. This really encouraged the rise of independent media and further fractured mass consensus. I'm sure, like, no doubt it created more opportunities for like grifting and misinfo, of course, but basically that's why we.

[A]

Have such a robust health influencer culture now.

[B]

But when people, when people chimp at me and are like, oh, like saying directionally correct is the stuff of Midway, like narrativization. It's like, no, people are directionally correct. Yes, they're retarded and they're unqualified, you and me included, we're not trained to medically weigh any studies or data. Like we could statistics, we couldn't do that. But like, no, our intuitions are correct that we're being lied to and that you shouldn't trust the medical establishment.

[A]

And that's sucks because I think sucks.

[B]

It's really demoralizing for everyone involved.

[A]

I'm predisposed. I've always not really trusted the doctor. I just have a lot of institutional distrust generally. Probably due to my inherited traumas. No, just from being Russian normal. Oops, what was that?

[B]

My laptop. I probably broke my screen. No, no, it's fine.

[A]

I don't. You can't do it like that. But I do think the majority of people are inclined to trust the doctor to feel sick, want to go to the doctor, like, and that's good. That or that was the case and that was good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's, that's over.

[B]

I, I will say I, I am still very butt hurt and resentful when people come at me and say you're an anti vaxxer or a right wing ideologue. Because I'm actually very understanding and moderate and I'm not at all a zealot when it comes to these matters. And I do believe in the miracle of modern medicine to some degree.

[A]

Unfortunately.

[B]

Unfortunately.

[A]

But I gotta, you know, they saved my life one day.

[B]

But I really, I really hate, I really hate when I'm out there, like asking legitimate questions, having legitimate doubts, when people come at me and try to make me like shame me or bully me into feeling like I'm in the wrong, when they're the ones having the insane emotional response and like screaming at me, immediately defaulting to invective, immediately dredging up this, this terrible Covid episode, which I was vindicated on and not at.

[A]

Fault for at all.

[B]

Like even looking back now I think about it, most reasonable people at the time, and I would say, like to this day would agree that the COVID vaccine makes sense if you are old or sick, but that the risks outweigh the benefits if you were young and healthy. And that was the point, like you proceed at your own discretion. And the thing is like the people, people we can get into, like the doubting of the actual medicine behind the COVID vaccine, I'm not qualified to do that. I'm not going to do that now. But like the fact that they were pushing it on infants, children, pregnant women, nursing women to this day is to me like such a great evil.

[A]

Well, and like, and that's one of the reasons they're punishing RFK is because he wants to, you know, roll back rmna. And yeah, the FDA just limited who can get the code vaccine, which I don't really have a point of, because I think if you do want to get the boost, like, it's your funeral, bro, go for it.

[B]

Well, no, they're limiting it so that it's. You have to have people over 65 and people with severe.

[A]

Not even severe, kind of anything, Whatever. Something most Americans probably do need in quality. And if you're fat. Yeah.

[B]

Like, severe immune problems. So basically, if you. If you don't. If you don't fit into either of those two categories, you need to go to the doctor, and you probably have to pay out of pocket.

[A]

Because you're uninsured.

[B]

No.

[A]

For the vax.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No, I think your insurance would probably cover the vax. I think.

[B]

No, no, I think. I think that's the point. Like, insurance won't cover it if you don't fit either of those two categories. If you're, like, a young and healthy person, insurance won't cover it, so you're gonna have to pay out of pocket if you're mentally ill enough to. To get another booster or whatever.

[A]

If you are, then why not just let people do, you know, who cares?

[B]

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think the problem is, like, my issue is vaccinating children against Covid.

[A]

Right?

[B]

It's hard and preposterous. And I still stand, like, even to this day. People are like, well, oh, but that's not. Don't you regret it that you were sick and almost died? It's like, no, because my kid didn't get vaccinated. I. I will take that risk for my kid's health. Psychos. I don't want to transmit that to my kid, you freaks. I'm old and gonna die soon anyway. He's the future. Like, what do I care if something bad happens to me? To the extent that I'm like, as long as I'm able to take care of him until he turns 18, like, I don'.

[A]

Care. Yeah.

[B]

Like, what are you talking about? Like, that's a. To me, that's a perfectly rational calculation to make. I actually think it's bizarre and irresponsible to get a vaccine, a COVID vaccine if you're pregnant or give a COVID vaccine to your child.

[A]

Well, this is. Okay, so this psycho. The other Times article I sent you called. Can you still get the coverage shot? Because, you know, the New York Times readers need to know if they're getting.

[B]

If they're gonna.

[A]

They're like, drug addicts. They need that booster, like heroin. They're like. They're like, I need that needle in my vein. Tell me, can I get. Please tell me, can I get it? And there's a part of it that said, can I get a Vaccine if I'm pregnant? Yeah, if you're pregnant. You're among the people for whom vaccination is most important. Dr. Ranney said organizations like American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recommend it because of evidence that pregnancy increases the risk of severe illness, that Covid can harm fetuses, and that vaccines during pregnancy can protect infants. Access may be complicated by contradictory federal policies. Pregnancy is on the CDC's list of high risk conditions, but they've also stopped recommending Covid vaccines during pregnancy, which is like. That's exactly why people don't fucking trust the cdc. Yeah, because why, like, you have a list of risks and then you have a list of recommendations and then you're six feet away when you're masking or you're masking when you're outside. Or you don't have to. Or you don't have to mask when there's a Black Lives Matter.

[B]

Yeah, you have to mask in all ordinary stories, but you don't have to mask for racial justice.

[A]

Get your story straight before you start scolding people for not trusting you.

[B]

And that's psychotic. A tweet from this guy Aaron Rupert, who I'm guessing is a huge libtard. Support for vaccinating kids against infectious diseases dropped from 81% in 1991 to 51% last year. We are getting dumber as a society. So, like, I mean that in my mind because I am a moderate and not a zealot or an anti vaxxer. That is probably an alarming trend.

[A]

That's really bad.

[B]

But who is to blame for that? Are we getting dumber as a society?

[A]

No. Or well, yeah, well, yes, but that's not the issue.

[B]

Or did you guys do a bunch of like evil, immoral, lying ass and erode the public trust?

[A]

If we were actually getting dumber, people would be more compliant. Someone looked that up. I bet there's a relationship between high compliance.

[B]

I got into like this a bit of like a Twitter spat with this account Cremu the other day. And he's like a right wing statistics and demographics guy. So he's like a little bit less. He's an expert, ideologically possessed than the other ones, I guess over this tweet of his. It's baffling that people are seriously considering avoiding the Hep B vaccine. It's safe, it works well and there's no better alternative. You really have to stop listening to anti vaxxers or they'll be able to create tons of unnecessary public Health crises and, like. Okay, so I don't really care to dispute, again, his account of the Hep B vaccine. On. It's probably accurate. I'm sure it's safe and it works. But is it really all that baffling that people are having this response? Is it ba. Is that. Is baffling the word that you want to use?

[A]

And how many people really, like. I don't think. I think, like, you like me, like, rfk. Even, like, most people aren't anti vaxxers. That's like. Like, conspiracy theorists. That's something that gets thrown around for people who are basically moderates, who are, like, observing a kind of corruption and collusion that's, like, unfolded in their lifetime, and that's basically, like, a rational position to hold. It's not. I don't know anyone that's, like, truly. I mean, there. Obviously, there are people who are, like, truly anti vaxxers. Most people want to comply with what they think is good for their kids and what has historically worked, of course.

[B]

Yeah. I know a couple of people who have not vaccinated their kids at all, period. And they live in a world of hell because they constantly have to, like, find doctors and forage forms for New York City school system. Any. Any New York City.

[A]

Well, they can't go to public school.

[B]

Yeah. They can't go to any school. They can't do any activities that.

[A]

They can go to yeshiva with the Hasidic and get measles.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know if I think there's no religious exemption in New York City anymore.

[A]

There. It definitely isn't. There isn't in New York, California, Connecticut, Vermont, West Virginia.

[B]

But those people, you know, as exotic and nutty as they are, are still a lot less insane than the.

[A]

Boosted. The Boosted them.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. Than like, the.

[A]

The sometimes, I think, like, who have.

[B]

Like, 20 boosters, basically.

[A]

Yes. But there are, like, there are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There are fringe ideologues who, like. Like, I think free birthing is crazy.

[B]

What's free birthing?

[A]

Like, just going in. No. Doctor.

[B]

Oh, right. Yeah, no, no, I know. That is. Yeah.

[A]

Get pregnant and do it. And, like, people really are advocating for that. And that seems.

[B]

But the happy thing came up. Yeah. Because RFK was challenging the necessity and efficacy of the Hep B vaccine at that same Senate hearing. And it brings me back also, again to my, like, dual split birthing experience where the baby was accidentally born in the home and then we were taken to the hospital. And, like, it was one of the best, most illuminating things that happened to me because I was fully acquainted with the world of, like, medical malfeasance. Like, from the part where they pulled my placenta out by hand in a freight elevator, which could have led to infection or hemorrhaging, totally illegal. To the part where they mysteriously lost the placenta, which is bizarre and incompetent.

[A]

Medical nemesis. Yeah, we know.

[B]

I've talked about this so many times. But, like, to the. The part where when you get to the hospital, there are suddenly tons of, like, nurses and orderlies coming around forcing all of these interventions on you. One of the big interventions that they force on you is the Hep B vaccine, which is very, again, confusing and mysterious to me because I'm willing to suspend disbelief and fully agree that this is a useful and necessary vaccination. But I'm confused why they have to do it immediately after the child is born in the hospital in the state of New York, and I'm guessing maybe across America. I don't know if this is state or federally mandated. You have a mandatory pediatric visit one or two days after the child was born, when they can do it there. Why submit a newborn child who should be, like, nuzzling in the breast of his mother to countless boundless interventions?

[A]

Oh, I think I agree, obviously. But just to be actually devil's advocate.

[B]

Yeah, you should be. I get it.

[A]

They can mandate something, but the low trust kind of goes both ways. They, like, can't. They don't trust people to show up for a mandatory.

[B]

Well, they don't. But which people? Which, it's. I mean, it's the people.

[A]

I get what you're saying, but you had an emergency situation where you gave birth up in your home, whereas I think if you gave. You had a relationship with a gynecologist that delivered your baby, which wouldn't be my preference. Again, but, like, yeah, if you. Your doctor knows you. He knows you don't have. Happy. Yeah, they're not going to be as pushy about it. But if you are, like, brought into an emergency room.

[B]

Well, no, no, I was like, no, it wasn't an emergency. It was just, like a regular hospital situation. But what I'm saying is that they're tailoring all of these interventions to the lowest common denominator, like all. All prenatal. Why did you go to the hospital? Well, they had to take me to the hospital because I was like, I didn't have, like, a midwife or a professor. I had a doula.

[A]

But why?

[B]

Well, they had to make sure that, like, I didn't have any, like, tearing or. The baby was fine. Like, it was.

[A]

I mean, I get it, but it wasn't like a.

[B]

A home birth where there were, like, Right. There was like a retinue of, you know, medically qualified people who could assess that everything was okay. That I understand. I'm not, like, mad that they took me to the hospital. I, like, prefer that happened because I don't, like, they had to, like, cut the cord and remove the placenta.

[A]

Like all that kind of free birthers just be doing that.

[B]

No, I know, but, like.

[A]

But no, I understand.

[B]

The crazy thing with that is that. Yeah, like, everything is tailored to the lowest common denominator. Like, the same people who, like, blast music on the subway with Bluetooth speakers who are a low trust demographic that you cannot count on them to show up to the pediatric.

[A]

Did you know the doctor that you.

[B]

No, no, but he. But I think had I known. And had I known him, they would have done the same thing in any major hospital. They just. I think if they standard.

[A]

Already tested you for hep B, they would know.

[B]

No, no, they vaccinate every. They vaccinate kids against hep B. I think it's.

[A]

I don't know, if Infants.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

As a matter of protocol.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. And also, I mean, there are people who.

[A]

Newborns.

[B]

Yeah, there. There are people who. Who will argue that, like, basically it's extremely unlikely that a child would ever come into contact with hep B unless the mother is, like, a junkie prostate prostitute. I mean, and I think that this is really a matter of legal liability with the big hospital networks. They don't want to get sued in the event that that should happen.

[A]

Why not just have you sign away.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

Why not just have you sign something that says if my kid.

[B]

Yeah, it's all. It's all bizarre and questionable, but that you can see how the step of, like, being perplexed as to why they push it on you in that moment instead of just trusting you to. To do it later could lead to some people being skeptical about the nature of the vaccine in general. Like, I'm kind of interesting in this way, and I'm just like, okay, like, these old vaccines that have been around forever.

[A]

Yeah. What do you think the motive is, like, to make your kid trans? I don't think that's. I don't think. I think, yeah, it is probably a liability thing.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And.

[B]

But what I'm saying is, like, this guy Cremu was perfectly, like, fine and friendly and, like, we. We weren't, like, actually fighting. And I like his account a lot, but all the people in his mentions who were, like, swarming around and chimping out, and they're not even paid by the medical industry or the medical establishment. They're doing this for free. But, like, can you blame the average person who's, like, not really able to parse litter, the literature or studies or data for being skeptical and asking questions like, can you really. Is it really that baffling?

[A]

It's the CDC that recommends infants receive a dose of the Hep B vaccine at birth within 24 hours, regardless of the mother's Hep B status. Infants infected at birth have a 90% chance of developing. But why would.

[B]

Okay. Right?

[A]

I mean, I guess if you don't have Happy, you could still get it. If they test you, they don't know. That's part of it.

[B]

Probably. Yeah. But it's you people.

[A]

You just don't know.

[B]

It's basically.

[A]

Who knows what people are getting up to, even if they're not junkies or prostitutes.

[B]

It's basically. Yeah.

[A]

And part of the reason it's. You're unlikely to get it is because they've been vaccinating for it. Yes. So it's still kind of part of the protocol. I wish they'd vax me for Hib. I really hope they don't stop mandating that one, because that could kill you.

[B]

But, like, you have a situation now where even, like. Like, an increasing number of, like, medical professionals are unable to parse their own literature, studies, or data.

[A]

I would expect them to be the least likely to parse it, honestly, because they're completely captured. That's what one of our best guests, Mark Crispin Miller, said was that. Yeah. Like, another victim of, like, covet hysteria, by the way, who was completely vindicated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, he said that people who are, like, experts, who are, like, institutionally not just incentivized, but, like, their whole. Not just their livelihood, but their egos, their sense of self. Everything depends on, like, believing in the efficacy and trust of these, like, institutions.

[B]

Well, yeah, that was, like.

[A]

Because that's where they get all their credibility from. So of course they're going to close ranks, but the jig is up.

[B]

Yeah. And it's. It also stands to reason that, like, they're not even aware of how captured and corrupt they are.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Like, it's a purely, like, unconscious process.

[A]

I think some of them might.

[B]

Some of them. Yeah.

[A]

Lie awake at night.

[B]

I hope.

[A]

I hope some of them Think about, you know, but again, rfk, the woman he fired, he, she was appointed by Trump and then sworn in by RFK literally less than a month prior. And he was talking about how. Because specifically because she is pretty nonpartisan. Like she isn't particularly ideological for a CDC for like a long time federal employee. She is pretty like and obviously like the science has its own, but she is kind of like a pretty neutral like merit based appointee. And RFK himself said that part of the reason she was appointed was because she was like unimpeachable in her like yes, you know, medical raved. Medical neutrality.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then because she didn't want, she didn't pre agree to some kind of board that was going to have anti vaxxers on it. Meaning vaccine skeptics. Yeah, meaning people who probably should be on it. Like there should be a mix of people. It shouldn't be one like cohesive. He's not trying to like only hire anti vaxxers even.

[B]

Yeah. I mean if the medical field was, it was truly honest. I mean it's hard to call it the medical field because it's like such a, such a large and complicated organism.

[A]

But it's broken at every level.

[B]

But you know, like let's say on, on the federal level, on the level of like grants, endowments, whatever. If they were like honest, they would try to fund inquiries and studies into what happened during pan in the pandemic, into the, into the efficacy of the vaccines and so on and so forth. And that would be a slippery slope. But it would be interesting to like go back to all these.

[A]

They don't want that. Yeah, like you, you know exactly what they don't want.

[B]

Like they'll be even.

[A]

They'll leave. People will lose even more trust in them.

[B]

That's power.

[A]

Thus everything.

[B]

Like in an ideal world that, that's what a transparent scientific institution would look like. I understand that there are certain like political and ideological and well, this is monetary and financial incentives that make that impossible.

[A]

This is what Kennedy said in his opening statement. He said these changes were absolutely necessary adjustments to restore the agency to its role as the world's gold standard public health agency. He repeated his long standing. This is from the Times. So they're editorializing. He repeated his long standing criticism that the agency quote failed miserably during the COVID pandemic and pushed quote, nonsensical policies that quote, destroyed small businesses, violated civil liberties, closed our schools, caused generational damage in doing so, massed infants with no science and heightened economic inequality.

[B]

True.

[A]

But then some shitty senator asked him, when were you lying, sir? When you told this committee that you were not anti vaxx, or when you told Americans that there's no safe and effective vaccine? Mr. Kennedy replied, Both things are true. Which is like he should be. He did seem a little caught off guard for how obviously antagonistic the Senate hearing would be for the author of the real Dr. Fauci. I would have thought he would have had more, kind of. I say again, I side with him, but I do think his inconsistencies are pretty. Don't do him any favors.

[B]

Yeah, he's an imperfect person. Trump is an imperfect person. Like, all the people who are in power now are like, advance, Stephen Miller, whatever. They all make gaffes, faux pas, whatever. But you're. It's. It is really, like, literally, like, Yarv in the Cathedral. I just, like, came from the Yarvin debate with some called E. Glen Weil.

[A]

Like, I thought that was Anthony Weiner when you said, what are they debating about?

[B]

Well, okay, so the night before, I went to, like, Tea Chat's book launch, and there was some guy there who looked exactly like this Glenn Weil character. And I was. I wasn't even drunk because I. I haven't been drinking or smoking for the last two weeks since my birthday. And I, like, walked right up to him and was like, are you glad and wild? Because I was, like, trying to, like, oh, like. And he was like, no, I'm Elliot Ackerman. But I swear to God, he looked the same. He was like a kind of slight Jewish man with, like, tight curls and, like, fine bone structure. And I was like, literally, they all look alike. But no, I went to this, like, debate where they were.

[A]

What were they debating?

[B]

Like, the prompt was something like, should the United States be run by a CEO monarch? It was like.

[A]

And Yarvin's still kind of saying yes. He doesn't really believe it.

[B]

I mean, it was a stupid. It was a stupid prompt because it was basically like. The prompt was, do you agree with Curtis Yarvin or no? And apparently he wasn't the one even pushing for the debate. It was this other guy who. Who had, like, parasocially, like. Right. Stalked and triangulated.

[A]

Why won't you defeat me?

[B]

But. But the real question, of course, is, like, is democracy a legitimate form of government? And is it worth saving? I mean, and ultimately, does it really exist? Does democracy exist as a form of government? I would say no. I think democracy is a tool of government. I mean, people confuse it for A form of government. But there. But as Yarvin pointed out, there has never been a democracy that's a true democracy versus a managed democracy in the history of the world.

[A]

Well, what's the difference between democracy and populism? Because that's something I've never really grasped, to be honest. And I know people say populist in a derogatory way, but they're the same people who claim to love democracy and not to sound stupid, but they seem like. Like, I feel like Trump had a populist victory.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was also pretty democratic. Like, the majority.

[B]

I think democracy just means, like, voters.

[A]

Elect a leader, like, directly.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Instead of, like, yeah, but we do. We voted for our president.

[B]

Yeah, but they would say, like, both of them would agree, like, most people would agree that, like, actually, your. Your vote as an individual doesn't matter at all. And what we really have is, like, an oligarchy and autocracy on some level, a democracy by name. I think, like, all democracies ultimately devolve into this. And it's not. That's not like a corruption of power. It's just a fact of life. Like, you can't. Like, how do you even run a country democratically? You elect a leader, and the leader appoints people, and it becomes an oligarchy.

[A]

Well, we also elect, you know, ideally our congress people and senators democratically, but that. Yeah, it's not exactly the case because we don't even have, like, you should elect our mayor democratically, but we don't even have option. There's not even anyone that I'm like, want them to be the mayor.

[B]

It seems so obvious, like a tool or an instrument. Like, you open the field up to, like, let's say, like, hypothetically, in a situation where voters actually do elect a leader or a leadership class, like, you see this in a lot of Islamic countries.

[A]

Well, we don't even know. What about Trump?

[B]

Well, yeah, but, like, let's say, like, you.

[A]

He was Democrat three times.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Because people wanted him. But, like, this happens all the time. And, like, where they.

[A]

But is that not democracy?

[B]

Well, it is. Yeah, but, like, the process is democratic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the outcome, the actual governance is never Democrat. There's no such thing as a democratic governance. I don't get it.

[A]

No, you elect the guy. That's why people are like. You know, when they're like, so you're a Trump supporter. You agree with everything Trump's doing? I'm like, no, I don't have to.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, I don't have to endorse everything. He does not. I voted for him to be the president.

[B]

You don't even have to, like, the guy.

[A]

Executive. I voted for an executive.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

To make the decisions. And I don't have to stand by all of them. I just have to, like, prefer it to the alternative, which I do.

[B]

Yes. It's very simple. Like, yeah, we.

[A]

But I guess maybe that's not democracy. I don't know. Yeah, see, I don't even really know.

[B]

But, like, you know, you have this situation, right, where they'll. They'll have, like, a referendum in some Islamic country and they'll always, without fail, vote in the most extremist fundamentalist group. And then the United States is like, no, no, no, this isn't democracy. We have to send in, right. Like militias and, like, paramilitaries or whatever and do a regime change or. But that, that's like a thing that happens, like the democratic will.

[A]

But anyway, sometimes we do regime change when someone's been in power for a long time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They stop cooperating with us.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Or like Gaddafi or whoever.

[B]

They stop being useful.

[A]

They capitalize on. Yeah, yeah. Maybe it's like some legitimate dissatisfaction within the populace, but then they use USAID money to fund foreign media outlets and, like, basically propagandized.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

On their behalf to basically bring about regime change in the long run. Yeah, but we don't want democracy in other countries. We want democracy here. We want to also have decide what.

[B]

Goes on over there. Also. We also don't want democracy here. The. The democrats claim they want democracy. What they really want is uniparty oligarchic rule. And in response to that, certain people on the right have come up and said, well, we'd do better under some sort of monarchy or dictatorship. We can quibble over forms of government all we want, but we feel like.

[A]

Populist republican ruler now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't. Democratic, again, not for. I'm not an expert. Not for me to say, yeah, he's democratically elected. He's popular.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And that's kind of like a democracy. Yes, there's democracy of popularity, but the actual.

[B]

The actual mechanics of running the country are not democratic because it's like.

[A]

Because we don't all take part in. Well, we're not like a ancient Grecian populace.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

You know, whatever.

[B]

This is, like, irrelevant.

[A]

We'll never have that. That will never happen.

[B]

Like, nobody there, Nobody, not even Curtis Yarvin, can actually say which form of. Of government is the best. Because again, this is an interview with the vampire. You have not been alive for a hundred years. You have not seen empires rise and fall, nations rise and fall.

[A]

I know, but he's got all these anecdotes nobody knows about Monarch, blah blah. But those weren't good because they failed. So checkmate.

[B]

Yeah. As he pointed out to his opponent.

[A]

All of these debate me.

[B]

Well, all the instances that the other guy was citing apparently of failed monarchies came from within a democratic bubble, blah blah, blah. But I'm not even think so.

[A]

That doesn't sound.

[B]

To use a yarvinism. I'm not even allergic to the concept of monarchy. It seems very like exotic and unlikely and also just like because it's a man made phenomenon, it's kind of doomed to fail.

[A]

Everything is a little steampunk.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's a little kind of like. Huh. Like okay, well we don't. You're not serious. Like what do you really mean?

[B]

But his. But his main point which was really well taken, well said, was that like what we call democracy now in the present day again is so captured and corrupted that virtually anything else would be better.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

An improvement.

[A]

I don't know about that. I don't think. Well, he also has. No. When you ask him, as we probably have. I don't, I don't remember. Because of my benzo addiction and brain damage. Like he doesn't have. It's not like he has someone in mind. He doesn't want it to be Elon Musk.

[B]

Well, no.

[A]

And like Elon Musk would be way worse. That guy's a retard.

[B]

Wait, no. Elon Musk couldn't rule.

[A]

Well because he's not an American citizen technically. But if he was a monarch, he could seize absolute power. You know, a monarch can do anything. They have divine power, will to be.

[B]

Well the other question that I.

[A]

That's the whole thing.

[B]

Why would anybody sign up to be a monarch? Would it a droll and tedious and thankless job.

[A]

Yeah. I mean.

[B]

You are responsible for everyone. If you up or fumble your head rolls.

[A]

Marie Antoinette oligarchy is.

[B]

Is a much more functional system because you can always like post like you can constantly just like fudge. Avoid responsibility.

[A]

Well, isn't our degraded and corrupt democracy basically an oligarchy?

[B]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So we're all good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we already have the best.

[B]

There's no. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

We get the pretense of democracy secretly. Jews rule.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And everything's fine. We don't have to do a new thing.

[B]

Yeah. And nobody. No One person is liable, accountable, responsible for anything that goes wrong. No one can be blamed.

[A]

No one who could be. How could you blame one guy? Come on. I, yeah, I mean I, yeah, I like conceptually the idea of a monarchy, but only if it's really tethered to like a religious state which America can't be. It wasn't founded on that. America can't be a monarchy. We were founded on like principles of liberty. It would be unconstitutional, wouldn't be American, it'd be unamerican.

[B]

I think that, Yeah, I mean I think that like America definitely not some.

[A]

South African autistic guy.

[B]

No, but definitely not. But who's saying that?

[A]

Well, that's who gets thrown out when he talks about his ideal kind of like CEO monarch. It's someone like Elon Musk who like you know, has, is a titan of all these industries and like is all of you know, potentially really intelligent and qualified. But he's a gay nerd and he can't, he's not fit for the job and there's no one who is.

[B]

He's also like.

[A]

There's nobody, there's nobody who could be CEO of America besides Donald Trump.

[B]

He's also like not. Not.

[A]

Well technically. But a monarch can't even.

[B]

He can't even take on the job.

[A]

That's what I'm saying is a monarchy would already be unconstitutional. So the status of someone where they were born doesn't matter. It's already a hypothetical. You're entertaining that subverts the amount.

[B]

In the next and Yarvin should decade or two they will amend the electoral guidelines so that a person who was not born in the United States.

[A]

Mr. President Mamdani, welcome to the White House.

[B]

President Monarch of the United States. Oh God, I just had an out of body oh no feeling and realize that what's going to happen is that Curtis Yarvin's dreams are going to come true. But it's going to be in the worst possible. That's what I'm saying scenario. What they're going to do is they're going to. They're going to suspend the original electoral guidelines for under 35s and no foreign born. And they are gonna elect Zohran Mamdani as CEO Monarch of the United States. And it's not going to be Sharia law because he's not Islamic. He's just wearing that shit as a skin suit. It's going to be like gay race, Sharia, communism.

[A]

I mean, you know, Curtis Yarvin, why did you rub that monkey paw why did you make that wager? But that's what I mean. It's like you can't say definitively that a CEO monarch would be better because there are infinite possibilities where it's far worse.

[B]

I think it's on.

[A]

I. Dr. Fauci.

[B]

Well, and they keep on. Well, they keep bringing up this example of, like, Bukele and El Salvador, which, again, yeah. Okay. He's impressed. Tiny country that's ethnically homogeneous that nobody cares about. I've like, made this point a million times to no avail because nobody listens to Voids when they speak. But yeah, it's.

[A]

Except for us, who have one of the best podcasts ever made. But it's like, yes, obviously, like, avid, growing listenership.

[B]

It's. It's much easier to enforce your political vision in a tiny, ethnically homogenous country nobody cares about. That's also completely corny. As a Palestinian, by the way. He's not even ethnically, inshallah. Okay. That.

[A]

But that's also besieged by violent crime, out of control crime where people are desperate and, like, you can seize power due to, like, extreme circumstances.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If El Salvador was a functioning society that wasn't, like, run by cartels, well.

[B]

One of the points that would have.

[A]

Brought up was it's not the same. It's not like America. America's a special.

[B]

Well, America is just. Just very large. And.

[A]

It'S a whole new thing. It's not. We can't have a monarch because we're doing a new thing. Well, okay.

[B]

The. My, my.

[A]

That's what the founding. The founding fathers didn't want.

[B]

That.

[A]

We had a monarchy called the UK that was charging us tea tax. We went and we dumped that in the harbor.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We said, no way. Then we fought a war. George Washington. And then we started our own country that had a new. We were doing a new thing. And not even that long ago. We can't. I don't want to go back to a monarchy.

[B]

I'm gonna do a new thing and rehabilitate the concept of oligarchy.

[A]

I know. I think some damage. Yeah.

[B]

As long as the people running the.

[A]

Oligarchy aren't pure evil.

[B]

Aren't pure evil. And have a. Have a collective vision for society.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean, our invest. Or are any of these forms of.

[B]

Government, like, inherently bad?

[A]

That's what I'm saying. No, they're all kind of dependent on, like, context.

[B]

And this is also when they. When they say, like, oh, debates are so fruitless. When, like, retarded leftists are like, well just like look at Communism is the.

[A]

Worst, we can all agree on that.

[B]

But when, when leftists are like socialism works, works in the Nordic, in the Scandinavian states and we should adopt that model. It's like okay, why does it work in the skin in the Scandinavian states? Because they're ethnically homogeneous and high trust. Also that's a question of the form of governments and more a question of the cultural character. Also like any work form of government, it doesn't work.

[A]

It doesn't work just because they can go to the doctor. No, it barely are replenishing themselves with birth rates. They are also euthanizing themselves and have like a totally twisted like sterile, unproductive culture. They're completely stagnant. It's not define working like yeah, how you know, Finnish people are like the happiest. They like meet their whatever study they devise to measure happiness. Finland allegedly has like the happiest people. And then, and then probably other kind of scandi is countries and.

[B]

But don't they have like a high suicide rate?

[A]

I mean it's probably high. Ish. Just because all of those cold places have pretty high suicide rates. But a lot of those places also have state sanctioned suicide and they call it euthanasia and it's completely wrong.

[B]

I'm just talking about regular old suicide.

[A]

Yeah, but that too, that's not the sign, a marker to me of like a healthier functioning society that like euthanasia is legal and like practiced.

[B]

All I'm saying is that like any form of governments governance basically works in a relatively like small scale society where everyone is basically related and knows each other and gets along.

[A]

The only and where you can keep.

[B]

Your Belarus unlocked at night. It's like very obvious.

[A]

This isn't Belarus. Belarus basically has a monarch. They've had the same guy in power since 94. They're not doing as well as Poland, but they're doing better than some Eastern European countries. And like it's not perfect but there's like stability and that's a way of defining success too. Also really high suicide rate, little opportunity for growth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very imperfect.

[B]

My feeling is that like okay, like I actually think that like Curtis is a nice guy and his heart is in the right place, but I just have an intuitive of.

[A]

I think he's lost brain elasticity and he needs to come up with a new thing to talk about.

[B]

No, he can't. No, no, he's. He's like Camille Poglia or William F. Buckley or any like. Like you.

[A]

Well that's what I mean.

[B]

HE LAUGHS Keep recycling the same.

[A]

Because you lose brain elasticity as you get older and then you just say the same over and over.

[B]

So you get rich and you don't give a. You start. You stop caring.

[A]

I think you literally can't come up with new ideas because you're old.

[B]

Well, yes. And. But you keep. Keep. That's true.

[A]

That's why we need young people to come up with ideas too.

[B]

No, I know. But the thing is also, like, you literally just, like, get comfortable and successful.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And you want to, like, focus on your family and friends.

[A]

They pay you to come.

[B]

Yeah. And you don't really. You stop giving a. So you just, like, recycle your old bits. Your greatest hits over and over again.

[A]

People reporting how I've talked about my diva star doll.

[B]

Just, like, keep. Keep on recycling the same.

[A]

I think you should try to come up with something new. That our culture would be better if people tried to come up with new ideas instead of saying the same old ideas. Yeah, that already. It's like, okay, like. And that's why Yarvin's so hard for me to talk to, is because you ask him a question, then he goes on, like, a tangent that he wanted to say anyway.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That has nothing to do with what you're actually trying to talk to him about. And then he talks about, like, divinity and stuff. He just loves. He's a. You know, I like Yarv. I actually. I do.

[B]

I really do.

[A]

No disrespect, but he is a blowhard. I've got a sauce. I think he's cute. And I thought he looked really princely.

[B]

He did. He was.

[A]

Styling has been impeccable. I love him, honestly.

[B]

Me too. Me too.

[A]

And I respect him basically, as a public intellectual, but I just think it's not. I'm so sick of talking about the tech CEO Monarch.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

And also, I want to talk about something else.

[B]

If we do have a monarch, I don't want a Texio monarch. I want a regular divine monarch. But that's not possible because there's no restoration of faith in store.

[A]

I want a Christian nation where. Yeah. God, literally, I'm like, oh, my God. He's just.

[B]

I don't want, like, a tech bro. Whatever. The main thing that matters is, like, it is on the level of vibes. Like, you can sense that he's not a bad or shabby person. That's all that matters.

[A]

That's. That's true. I know I should be. I shouldn't be so hard on him. I'm just Being I'm. I'm about to get my period.

[B]

I'm sorry, but I don't. I don't remember why I was yapping about this. Oh, yeah, but basically he was saying that, like, anything would be an improvement on our current democracy, which, as you pointed out, is. Is questionable. Maybe not realistic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But he is correct in saying that the public trust, the public faith in our democracy has been thoroughly eroded.

[A]

For sure. For sure. And that's really why it's not a true democracy, is because most people just opt out of the democratic process.

[B]

And as you pointed out, like, you're not really a voter, you're a subject. You would be a subject anyway in any other system of governance.

[A]

I mean, here's the same thing.

[B]

Polite, noble lie that you have power and agency.

[A]

But that's nice. And it sounds really similar to, like, what Bannon talks about, which I know Yarvin has his disagreements with, but when Yarvin talks about, like, serfdom is monarchy, not just, like a noble lie, that is the same.

[B]

Well, I don't know if it is because, like, in the old model of monarchy, if you fucked up or fumbled again, you would be removed from power.

[A]

But it would take a while because the old models are all so ancient that, like, people wouldn't even know you up for that long because some guy on horseback had to come and tell you that the king did something bad.

[B]

Yeah, I really. I don't really care. Forever model of governance. We have to tell you the truth.

[A]

I don't give a. I'm not really that invested. I'm not, like, passionate about democracy, I think. Well, honestly, the way Trump keeps talking about going to heaven is very monarch coded.

[B]

Yes. That passionate about democracy.

[A]

The Wall Street Journal, allegedly. Yet they publish the same, like, consensus hive mind, like big pharma opinions about how RFK's a danger, a dangerous guy. They need to go back to doing, like, pedo reporting and like, you know, we need to put money back into investigative journalism. Get those boys boots back on the ground. Instead of all this. Even the thing they published, the thing about how RFK was going to publish a report about how taking Tylenol causes autism.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I was like, you know, when you absorb it just through, like, trying to follow the news, you're like, what? And then you actually read the article and you're like, okay, so he hasn't done that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then there's all. It's such, like, I am legend hive mind. Like, you know, they just kind of.

[B]

Like.

[A]

It'S like, Cordyceps. They like publish a piece and then all these other pieces are published about how RFK said Tylenol cause autism. He has not even. He might. But he hasn't said that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's all like they're speculating the Wall Street Journal.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

That's like the. Where it was incepted the idea.

[B]

Well it's like petty but he's gonna.

[A]

Do an autism study. But then they also conflate it with like prenatal folate.

[B]

No.

[A]

And kind of paint it in a similar like conspiratorial weird random article that you're like. Well, the Foley. I thought we all were taking the HTP article.

[B]

And I think they say that Foley counteracts the effects of autism.

[A]

It's confusing actually what they're saying. They're like talking about two separate things.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

And like. But they're making it seem like it's all about Tylenol.

[B]

Yeah. I mean it seems very far fetched that Tylenol specifically would cause.

[A]

I don't even know if RFK is saying that.

[B]

He's. He's not probably. Yeah.

[A]

There's going to be an odd quote. Autism study.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that is like a theory that's been proliferated that there is some research to suggest. But there's also research not too. It's probably not that. That's probably like one thing of many that people are partaking in that causes autism probably is the vaccines. It's way too many. The vaccine panel's too many shots.

[B]

Dash. I feel like people are going to yell at me but I feel like a lot of autism is probably caused by vaccines and more will be revealed.

[A]

I think it's a mix of. I think that is true. But I also think the defense that people make is that the definition of autism is expanded and it's being over diagnosed and both things are true.

[B]

Like are okay.

[A]

I think both things are true.

[B]

I think that vaccines do have a. I would say this vaccines have a vaccine role to play in the upsurge of pediatric autism. For sure. Jenny McCarthy, the weird little slut. But no, I think that there's definitely like some correlation and there's no incentive to explore it further. Obviously I don't know what it is and don't really care to get to the bottom of it.

[A]

But no one even really knows what autism exactly is.

[B]

Yes. It's like when they talk about.

[A]

That's why they're able to diagnose.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

In so many expanded.

[B]

Well, they say that's what they're always like, oh well the, the rise in autism diagnoses comes down to the fact that the diagnostic criteria have become more fine tuned and more people are willing to talk about it and blah, blah. But it's like, yeah, what is autism specifically define autism combo.

[A]

Well, Talin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who honestly I trust more than someone from the CDC that we should appoint him. But he believes it to be a kind of like chronic brain inflammation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That like varies in extremes but that you can kind of like remedy and correct through ancestral dieting, which is maybe again directionally correct. I don't know. I don't, I don't think vaccines are the whole story.

[B]

No, they're not. No.

[A]

But it seems like they can definitely contribute to things like information. There's like, I mean kids that are probably, honestly cope putting on a mask on a toddler probably made them autistic because they couldn't read or like made them diagnosable as autistic because their social skills and empathy were stunted by having to put on masks and not being able to see human faces.

[B]

Emotionally stunted Internet addict parents.

[A]

Is that not autistic? Like to not to be deprived of seeing human faces in your like formative brain years?

[B]

Of course. Of course. Yeah.

[A]

And then these kids get diagnosed with autism. But maybe they wouldn't have been, quote autistic had they not suffered through like a really like ruinous and inhumane medicalized pandemic event that the CDC is completely responsible for. And all those people should be fired.

[B]

Yeah, they should. Yeah.

[A]

Not all those people. But you know, like there needs to be reform and I think most people must know that. I don't think I'm crazy.

[B]

Well, that's the thing.

[A]

I don't think RFK is crazy. I think he seems so reasonable and all those senators seem psychotic.

[B]

I think he's like, like I said before, he's obviously like vain and narcissistic.

[A]

He's not.

[B]

Which is, which is fine, whatever. But yes, he's not crazy. And he has at least.

[A]

He's not childless and believes in God and goes to the gym.

[B]

He has reasonable intuitions.

[A]

He goes to the gym wearing jeans, whatever. That's not one of his good intuitions.

[B]

He's like an Indian guy.

[A]

But at least he's like, has the right idea. And I don't think he is as like pathologically narcissistic that he's like. Because I think if he was, he would have like pursued the path of least resistance or been like opportunistic.

[B]

No. In ways that he really smart enough that he probably recognizes he made no vanity and narcissism and over corrects with it by being a conscientious person?

[A]

Well, yeah, maybe, but like, it's not like he's done himself any favors up until now by like publishing the real Dr. Fauci on Skylight Press or you know, being like a kind of thing.

[B]

With a guy like that saying. Yeah, like, you know, publishing a book called the real Dr. Fauci and having like a tabloid history of like cheating on your wives is like, that's just Kent. That's vulgar and trashy.

[A]

Well, no, I like the real Dr. Fauci. I'm pro that. I, I just think. But I don't mean he hasn't done himself any favors with me. I mean he hasn't. Like that's not good for your career to be like.

[B]

Yeah, but who cares about that?

[A]

Well, narcissists, like if the indictment of him is that he's like pathologically narcissistic, I think it doesn't really track with necessarily.

[B]

Yeah, but they, I mean, I don't know. I think like.

[A]

But I'm inclined. I don't know why I like him.

[B]

Yeah, I, I don't mind him.

[A]

You kind of don't like him, but that's okay.

[B]

Well, because I dinner.

[A]

You have some first hand experience and. Actually, no, I don't.

[B]

I don't not like him. I'm. I'll put it that way. I don't not like him. I don't have like an active dislike or hatred of him.

[A]

I don't think he's the best, best faith actor, but I think he's good enough.

[B]

No, no, I actually, I do think that he in a way is a good faith actor because he's. I don't think he has any like clear cut ulterior motives. And he's not like a person who has status anxiety or social anxiety, which is very important. Yarvin actually said something very nice during the, the debate, which stuck with me because the guy who was arguing with him was like, oh, Curtis, you're like, Mr. Irvin, you're not reading the room. And he was like, I don't care to read the room. And I was like, yeah, thank you. I don't care to read the room. Like when people yell at you and they're like, oh, like you're like a Lowell cower moral. I don't care. I don't care.

[A]

You know who's rocks at not reading the room?

[B]

Who?

[A]

Michael Tracy.

[B]

Those are the People that I like. I like. I like freaks and misfits who don't care about reading the Room.

[A]

I like people who, yeah, are willing to espouse unpopular opinions in a crusade for something true.

[B]

And like, even if it like, seems antisocial and like, it is antisocial because you're like exposing the public to unflattering and uncomfortable realities.

[A]

And we can't all be that way and shouldn't be, but we should value the people that are willing to. But also, Yarvin's lying and he does want to read the Room and make people laugh and tell his little stories.

[B]

It's true. But he's like on a new tip where he feels more comfortable and assured and like, I get it. Like, it's very like indecent and frustrating when people are like yelling at you over some that you don't care about. Because the fundamental thing that you're defending is the principle, the truth of the matter.

[A]

I know, but you're letting them get to you and you should let the truth speak for itself.

[B]

No, no, I know, but like it.

[A]

It doesn't matter. And ultimately, like I want to understand.

[B]

Like my, my thing is like I want to spend like 24 hours in the mind of like your average 29 year old Chinese man. I want to spend the month. The 24 hours at a.

[A]

Iphone.

[B]

I wanna, I wanna understand the sort of psych. It's like the thing that you sent me of the. The Kennedy relative who's like denouncing RFK Jr.

[A]

It's like there's always some random ass Kennedy.

[B]

Yeah. Who's like, what are you doing?

[A]

Corey Kennedy.

[B]

Don't. Don't you realize.

[A]

Just kidding.

[B]

Our favorite Kennedy, Corey Kennedy.

[A]

She is kind of my favorite Kennedy.

[B]

But she's not an actual Kennedy. No. Okay. Yeah.

[A]

Thank God.

[B]

No, we should spread a rumor that she's a Camelot Kennedy.

[A]

I think maybe that's not even her real name. And when in her Cobra Snake era. I might be wrong.

[B]

It's probably Corey Hirschlug.

[A]

Her and the triple ellipses. Cobra Snake. Yeah. She had it. She took on it. Maybe different. I mean, don't quote me on that. I don't know. Once again, don't have all the even remote information.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just comes to mind. But yeah, when I read what was his name? The odd. The new Kennedy.

[B]

John.

[A]

Right there was Nicole Kennedy, his cousin.

[B]

It was like John but J O N. Was that correct?

[A]

They're all such.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

RFK included. They all just like.

[B]

Yeah, they are.

[A]

At least rfk Is like coherent and charismatic and kind of like, special enough. But there's so many low tier Kennedys.

[B]

Who like, come out vain drunk.

[A]

He's a Democrat by name only. And you're like, like, shut. Who are. Who the are you?

[B]

But, like, do you not realize that you're making yourself look bad to the people that actually matter? Whose judgment actually counts when you denounce your own relative?

[A]

Far worse. For what? For having a full vaccine panel mandated by the government. What do you want?

[B]

Like, you think this is a good idea?

[A]

You think the cdc, I mean, all of these. It seems it looked so fake. Like when you open the Wall Street Journal op ed from the lady that got fired, there's like photos of like weird boomer protesters holding signs that say, like, we love the cdc. And like, then I saw another one that was like a protest sign, like, stuck in like a lawn. That's like, cdc. Like we hang in there. It's like, who the. Like, that's fake. Those people are on someone.

[B]

Cdc. The Cuck Democrat Coalition.

[A]

By the way, a cop. I heard from a police officer that.

[B]

The.

[A]

Pro Palestine protesters outside the U. N. Get paid 100 a day. Damn. That they're on somebody's payroll.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then maybe there's some grassroots activity outside of that.

[B]

But a lot of those people. Yeah.

[A]

And this is something I've suspected from my time at the un.

[B]

What made you. Wait, hold on, I have to pee. But hold that thought because I'm curious. Like, what made you suspect that?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

What was you on about? Oh, that I suspect it. I suspect that a lot of the.

[A]

Protest activity, obviously not all of it, but around the U. N. Is astroturfed. Because when you see it so often and like so uniformly, and maybe I'm just naive and I like under estimate or maybe I overestimate rather.

[B]

Just like.

[A]

How NPC'd out everybody actually is that they're just like organically showing up to these. But no, they all have the same chance. They're all from some weird organization, it seems like. I don't know. And they're like, truly during the unga, which is coming up. It's like they're con. It's like every couple hours and then there's always cops around who like, I mean, yeah, they apply for a permit to protest. I understand. I'm not like crazy, but I think the hostage maybe are one of the only ones who like legitimately are like, have grassroots top to bottom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sort of cred. But everyone else, like, yeah, they always have some weird sign it's unclear what their aims are. They're mad about something you don't really know.

[B]

And yeah, it would be interesting to get to the bottom of that. Like just like a investigation, a documentary about where all these protesters are coming from. I was thinking the same about like, like African Uber Eats drivers and handbag sellers on Canal. Like, I would really just like to understand where they came from, who's funding it, where they live currently. Like, what is their life like? Like, at the end of the day, where do they go to lay their head?

[A]

Probably not in Manhattan.

[B]

No, definitely not.

[A]

Unless.

[B]

And it would. It's like a he. I don't mean it in a gestapo way. I mean it in a heated style way. Like. Yeah, like, what is the net? What are the networks.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Of like movement through which they like. Because these guys are out on Canal street or on Delancey street every day.

[A]

Well, those guys are different than the Uber Eats driver guys. The handbag, it does feel like they're.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like if you could sell the handbags, but why would you do the Uber Eats delivery?

[B]

But also harder random, like individuals, like, where are they coming from? How are they getting here? Where are they going? What are their prospects? What is, I think their long term reality? Like, it would. I'm just curious.

[A]

I mean, a lot of them probably come through like refugee programs.

[B]

Yeah, I would guess.

[A]

And then they want to make money to be upwardly mobile.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's like.

[B]

Yeah, they're probably sending money back to.

[A]

Yeah, maybe.

[B]

Who knows?

[A]

Maybe not. Maybe they're just yet.

[B]

Do they have families?

[A]

They're just trying to like accrue money. That was. Maybe they planned to even go back. When my parents came here, they didn't know initially that they wanted to stay in America. They came, my dad on H1B. That's because America doesn't have good acrobats. We actually need to get them, we need to source them from Russia and Mongolia because the American genetic stock is trash. They don't have the athleticism of this Eastern bloc countries. It's not like the Indians randomly are better at coding than Americans. Whatever.

[B]

Are they? I mean, there's no way.

[A]

Well, there's so many of them that statistically some of them will be, yeah. You know, exceptionally good at like a kind of computing because they are relatively high iq. But they shouldn't be taking American jobs. I agree with that, but whatever. But then when my dad lost his job, they did apply for refugee status that they weren't granted, but they did it. So they could keep working. But their initial plan wasn't to like become American citizens. They were just gonna like make money, go back to Belarus with like, you know, what would have been a lot of money in a post Soviet state. But then like, opportunities presented themselves and they had a daughter and they like, you know, wanted her to become a podcast. They foresaw that she would have an amazing mind.

[B]

They first saw that she would have the most unique podcast in America in 2025. No, but like I wanted.

[A]

Oh yeah, they just want something. I wife life sucks wherever the they're from, so they want to do something better.

[B]

These guys have like any sort of like long term goals or plans. I think they're just going with the flow and trying to make as much money as possible, are just trying to survive. But I'm just like really like deathly curious. I should just go down there and ask them. They must speak some English.

[A]

I think your intuition that they're trying to survive and make as much money as possible is basically correct.

[B]

But I'm just curious about like the actual mechanics of how that goes down.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And like where, where they go to go to sleep at the end of the night. Like they go somewhere in Queens where there's like 12 other boobs.

[A]

If they're refugees, they go to the Roosevelt. They don't anymore, but you know, they go to the Roosevelt Hotel. They have some kind of housing. They go to Springfield, Ohio.

[B]

They take up the Chinatown bus to Springfield, Ohio every night and come back every morning. They sleeping on the bus.

[A]

I mean. Yeah, I don't know. But they've been selling the handbags for so long. Yeah, it's like, it does seem like a reliable racket.

[B]

Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I'm sure they're not making that much. All I'm saying is that as an empath, where do they get interested in their lives from Chinese people. Because if you go down there, because.

[A]

The Chinese people give you the laminated.

[B]

Piece of paper with the pictures and there's always some like po faced, angry Chinese dowager in a sun hat that looks like my mom standing in the background overseeing all these young African guys with the blanket, and sometimes they have some kind of verbal exchange.

[A]

I walked by the other day, they were all scooping up their stuff and putting it away. And they were doing it really swiftly. And I was like, the blanket five. I was like, the. They got the blanket system. They really figured out how to pick the most handbags up. It's like when I do my makeup, I put it all on a tray. I figure out which cosmetics I'm gonna use, I put them all out. Then I do my makeup tutorial. Ass makeup. And I wash my face. Go sleep or go nowhere.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I saw also when I was doing research and like randomly opened up like the news app, you know, and then was like, you know, clicking around, just kind of like sourcing is my process. But I read some article in some rand something called like the scientific Amir. Some science.

[B]

Oh, the newspaper Scientific American.

[A]

Yeah. Is that. You know about that?

[B]

Yeah, we talked about it.

[A]

We did.

[B]

Yeah. I think they may have. I. I could be totally like wet brained and making up, but I'm pretty sure that was one of the publications that published those.

[A]

Earl.

[B]

One of those early Covid letters. Could it be. Anyway, go on. Whatever.

[A]

I didn't even read the article that much. Kind of skimmed it. But it was about acne vaccine. They're unrolling that. They're like, you can volunteer to be a test subject for and you. But you have to go to Singapore. You have to get like a shot, another shot, and then some boosters, and you have to go to Singapore to get your second shot. It was the sketchiest ass. And I was like, how does acne vaccine even.

[B]

How does that work? Like, how do you know that? You're like, so, okay, so you have to determine that you have a high likelihood of deter. Of developing acne without actually having developed it yet. Because then you're not a candidate any longer. Right.

[A]

No, I guess you could have. And I mean, that's exactly why. It's like, that's baffling.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Is how someone's gonna get an acne vaccine.

[B]

Yeah. This doesn't make any sense to me.

[A]

It prevented the onset of acne in mice. So. Yeah, I guess.

[B]

Like, why would you stimulating acne in mice? Because mice don't naturally get acne.

[A]

I mean, maybe they get something like acne that we don't. We're. I'm not looking at the mouse's skin, like, as amazing scientists getting amazing money to develop a acne vaccine. Like, what are you. We already have Accutane.

[B]

Yeah. I'm like picking an acne on my leg because it's bothering me. I have like an in here.

[A]

You'll never. Like, that's. As an acne sufferer, it's obviously because I put my hot phone on my face and don't wash my pillow. There's so many things that cause acne. How could you. That just seems crazy. Like, how. How crazy would you have to be.

[B]

To get an acne vaccine.

[A]

Vaccine? Acne's not even viral.

[B]

No, right. No. No. Wait, what? No, definitely not. But they're injecting you with something that'll prevent further outbreaks of acne.

[A]

The company is recruiting. This is from nature.com the company is recruiting up to 400 people with, with moderate to severe acne to take part in a phase one clinical trial for its therapeutic vaccines. They'll be given two injections initially in a booster shot one year later and then they intend to do people with mild acne for a second clinical trial in Singapore. And yeah, this is based on studies some sociopath did with mice because yeah, acne is caused by bacteria. Those are supposed to.

[B]

Can't you just.

[A]

Just like it's an MRNA vaccine?

[B]

Well, can't you just like selective breed acne out of the population in the future?

[A]

My parents aren't acne prone and yet.

[B]

But I'm sure there's some like cluster of genes that codes for acne that you can just remove with all these new gene therapies. Right.

[A]

I think there's too many other factors. I think if we like. Yeah. Lived in some kind of like harmonious environment where there weren't toxins and you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You didn't eat Taco Bell and, and like drink alcohol. You know, it's like there's so many other things probably that if you really, really, really didn't want to have acne. Which apparently I don't.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Clearly I'm prioritizing it. Also other lives that are.

[B]

It doesn't at the end of the day. And men find it kind of charming when you have a little bit of acne sometimes. Youthful. Yeah.

[A]

An esthetician told me. Yeah. Having oily skin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

While there were drawbacks in terms of being acne prone, IT majors made you look younger in the long run because real dehydration is true. That's why Accutanea clears you up. But then it dries you out.

[B]

Yeah. And also makes you want to kill yourself.

[A]

If you're a teen.

[B]

If you're a teenager.

[A]

If you're a trans teen on a webond about to do Columbine. They were on Accutane.

[B]

They were both of them.

[A]

At least one of them. Maybe both.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

I remember, I think they were prescribing.

[B]

It a lot in that era.

[A]

Cuz acne was really.

[B]

But you didn't have acne an epidemic as a teenager.

[A]

No, I did. I've had acne for mad long.

[B]

Oh, interesting.

[A]

It's like better.

[B]

Yeah, but what the is up with that? I had really bad acne as a teenager, but like it not since then. And now I just have like enlarged pores and like congested skin.

[A]

But it's called being fine. Cystic one's bad. But since I have randomly have health insurance again, I'll wait.

[B]

How did you get health insurance?

[A]

Well, through cobra. Oh, right, so that the hospital wouldn't bankrupt me. Once again, another extremely flawed and broken system. Anyway, we've almost done two hours. We don't even have time.

[B]

You got what you asked for.

[A]

We gotta go. Yeah, we don't even have time to victim blame. We're gonna let Michael Tracy take the wheel.

[B]

Complain about these.

[A]

Let's get him on. We'll get him on. I'll rehash it and it'll be good.

[B]

So true.

[A]

And then he can tell us exactly which alleged victims are lying, which ones are slightly more credible, which ones were groomed at what age, because he's got the information.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Okay. See you in hell. See you in hell.

[B]

Ra.