Redacted News, Episode 3: "They're LYING about Charlie Kirk's murder and they know it, new details just emerged"

Date: September 17, 2025
Hosts: Clayton Morris, Natali Morris
Notable Guests: Owen Shroyer, Dane Wigington, Lionel (Lionel Nation), Kevin DeMeritt

Overview

This episode of Redacted News is dedicated to deconstructing the rapidly evolving narrative around the murder of Charlie Kirk, highlighting contradictions, media misinformation, and government opacity. Hosts Clayton and Natali Morris analyze alleged evidence and FBI statements, question the role of mainstream media, and consider possible connections to deeper intelligence operations. The show also covers other current issues: legislative efforts against weather manipulation, the financial implications of Federal Reserve actions, and the surge of defamation lawsuits, notably involving former President Trump.

Main Theme

Challenging Official Narratives:
The episode’s central focus is skepticism about the official and media-driven narratives regarding Charlie Kirk’s death. The Redacted team underscores inconsistencies in evidence, timeline, and FBI disclosures. Broader issues include media accountability, government integrity, and the impact of institutional actions on legal, financial, and social realities.

Key Discussion Points

1. The Charlie Kirk Murder Investigation

A. Inconsistencies and Suspicious Evidence

• Text Message Chain:
  FBI releases messages between alleged shooter Tyler Robinson and his lover/roommate.

  • Messages lack timestamps and feature “unusual” language; appear crafted rather than genuine.
  • Natali notes, “Young people don’t text like this with capital letters and punctuation…that seems a little cavalier for, like, wait, what?” (07:05)
  • Timeline errors: Texts reference events (like the dad calling) that chronologically didn’t happen until later.

• Destroyed Confession Note:
  FBI claims existence of a note—now destroyed—yet “confirmed” through forensics.

  • Owen Shroyer: “It was almost so nonsensical that…this is nonsense, and then I ignored it. People try to throw distractions at you…throw a rock over here so…you escape out the back door.” (09:13)
  • Natali: “He cannot be texting about something that happens tomorrow.” (11:06)
  • No clear explanation of how the note was verified without physical evidence.

• Physical Evidence and Surveillance:
  Contradictory claims about suspect’s clothing and behavior.

  • Surveillance: Suspect allegedly changed outfits to avoid detection, but reverted to original appearance upon arrest.
    • Clayton: “Changing to hide evidence and then returning…doesn’t make sense at all.” (15:05)
    • Owen: “The biggest smoking gun…is the footage that we’re not seeing…Why aren’t we seeing the footage of all the security cameras on campus?” (15:24)

B. Media & Official Narrative Critique

• Media Presentation:
  Media (e.g., ABC News) romanticizes suspect’s relationship. Question whether officials and media are coordinating a cohesive narrative.

  • Natali: “The liberal media is trying to convince us…[this] was a very sweet gay love story, to the tune of this should have been on Netflix.” (07:09)
  • ABC cited as calling it a “touching” text, which hosts find implausible and distracting.

• Demand for Transparency:
  Hosts and guests repeatedly urge for public release of unreleased evidence, especially video footage.

  • Owen: “…That's the ultimate footage. Why give us a still shot at all? They have the ability to give us him walking down the stairs, and they're saying he was limping because it seems like there was something in his pants, and so he couldn't bend his knee. But then in the images, he's bending his knee. So give us the footage. Let us see that for ourselves.” (17:50)

C. Deeper Context and Theories

• Operation Gladio Reference:
  Show invokes Operation Gladio—a Cold War strategy involving clandestine “stay-behind” armies and state-sponsored tension—to contextualize assassination and manipulation.

  • Clayton, referencing Col. Towner Watkins: “Operation Gladio conducted assassinations...orchestrated to control you. The government, intelligence agencies, NATO stay behind assets have either created or infiltrated every organization, left, right and center.” (19:28)

• Analysis of Shooting Wounds:
  Owen argues physical evidence suggests an entry wound behind Kirk’s right ear and an exit wound at the front of his neck; debunks body armor rumors.

  • Owen: “…I'm convinced by experts…entry wound is behind his right ear, and the exit wound is the gruesome wound…in the front of his neck…what debunks the body armor [theory]: that's just an earpiece.” (21:31)
  • Natali: “Why would you have body armor that leaves your nipples exposed?” (24:04)

2. Weather Modification & Congressional Hearings

A. Congressional Testimony and Critique

• Marjorie Taylor Greene’s Bill and Hearing:
  Redacted interviews Dane Wigington (geoengineeringwatch.org), an expert in climate manipulation.

  • Dane criticizes Congress’s confusion of cloud seeding with full-scale geoengineering and claims the hearing “moved the fight backward, not forward.” (32:03)

• Conflation of Cloud Seeding & Geoengineering:
  Dane: “We are literally comparing an ant to an elephant. …All they discussed yesterday was silver iodide. To leave out the core components of climate engineering…either it was a cluelessly set up meeting or there was some other agenda going on.” (38:48)

B. Larger Stakes & Environmental Impact

• Dane highlights dramatic declines in insect and wildlife populations, primarily blaming geoengineering rather than cloud seeding.
  • “80 to 90% of Earth’s insect populations... are just gone. …That’s being passed off as a hoax.” (36:45)
• Cites "Project Popeye" in Vietnam as historical precedent for effective large-scale weather modification.

C. Congressional Incompetence or Sabotage?

• Wigington suggests hearings may be intentionally obfuscated:
  • Philip: “What are the odds that they did this on purpose?... Like if you were doing a UFO hearing and you bring in the craziest tinfoil hat guy you can as your spokesperson to sort of scuttle the whole point.” (42:47)
  • Dane: “That’s exactly what it did. It will simply move this fight backward.” (43:15)

3. Media Defamation & the Law

A. Trump’s $15 Billion Lawsuit Against NYT

• Examination of President Trump's defamation lawsuit, alleging the New York Times made damaging false claims.
• Guest Lionel (constitutional litigator):
  • Argues most of the claims fail the legal test for actual damage: “Libel is not to…it’s not a foot fault like in tennis. It means you damage somebody, you damage somebody’s career. …If you accuse a woman of being...someone with a loathsome disease...that was libel per se.” (52:08)
  • Warns about chilling effect lawsuits could have on free speech—even for media opponents.
  • “We are using this from Craftmatic to Dominion to go down the list. Now, again, this is Lawfare.” (52:08)
• Natali and Lionel discuss how the marketplace, rather than regulation, should punish dishonest media.
  • Natali: “It shouldn’t be us that crashes the New York Times. It should be the people who say, you’ve lied too many times, we no longer trust you, and we implode them, right?” (61:01)

B. FCC and Media Accountability

• Discussion about the FCC possibly investigating false reporting, including Jimmy Kimmel's mischaracterization of the shooter.
  • Natali: “How can he just make this up? Well, now the head of the FCC…says this may be something the FCC looks into. Can they do that?” (46:55)

4. Federal Reserve Rate Cuts & the Future of the US Dollar

A. Interview with Kevin DeMeritt (Lear Capital)

• The Fed cuts rates, devaluing the USD—global trend is central banks dumping dollars and buying gold.
  • Kevin: “Rate cuts absolutely weaken the US Dollar…foreign central banks are already selling US Dollars and swapping it for precious metals... Three years of record purchases on the gold market.” (69:03)
• Threat of “stagflation” (low growth, high inflation):
  • “If you took AI out of the mix…the economy is pretty close to recession or already in recession. You start lowering interest rates and now you’re going to have the inflation start popping back up.” (73:37)

B. AI & Employment

• Concern over AI accelerating job loss across both blue- and white-collar sectors, impacting long-term US economic prospects.
• Clayton: “Everything is being, you know, run out of town by AI…I just don’t know. And now we’re moving to a cashless society…” (77:12)

C. Gold and Silver as Safe Havens

• Multiple major banks predict gold prices rising dramatically; silver still “the most undervalued asset out there.”
  • “If you think the debt’s going to continue to go up, continue to buy gold.” (81:30)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “People are always going to try to throw distractions at you. Right…throw a rock over here…and you escape out the back door.”
  — Owen Shroyer (09:13)

• “The official story just doesn’t add up. That’s a fact. …We’re not seeing the footage of all the security cameras on campus.”
  — Owen Shroyer (15:24)

• “We should walk all avenues right now. We should hope that the government is walking all avenues, but in the absence of that kind of transparency…your case weakens over time, so we gotta stick with this.”
  — Natali (25:19)

• “If we don’t stop what’s happening in our skies, I stress this, nothing else will matter. We’re breathing what they’re spraying.”
  — Dane Wigington (41:18)

• “Do you really want to go into a wild west of defamation? …I want to go after damaging things. If you’re damaged, listen, if you two…tried to come up and damage Donald Trump, good luck.”
  — Lionel (52:08)

• “Rate cuts absolutely weaken the US Dollar.”
  — Kevin DeMeritt (69:03)

• “The price of gold and the amount of debt the United States government has has a 97% correlation.”
  — Kevin DeMeritt (81:30)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 04:03: Introduction to Charlie Kirk murder case; setting the themes
• 06:06 – 15:24: Breaking down suspicious evidence, text chains, and timeline issues
• 15:24 – 19:28: Surveillance inconsistencies, media presentation, and transparency demands
• 19:28 – 24:14: Operation Gladio context, physical wound analysis, and debunking body armor rumors
• 30:23 – 43:27: Weather modification, congressional hearing critique, and implications of confusion between cloud seeding and geoengineering
• 45:17 – 47:55: Media defamation cases, Trump’s lawsuit, FCC considerations
• 52:08 – 63:27: Chilling effects of lawsuits and distinction between criticism and actionable defamation
• 67:30 – 86:28: Federal Reserve cuts, stagflation concerns, AI and job displacement, gold/silver as hedges against currency and market decline

Conclusion

This episode is a thorough, often skeptical dissection of the gaps between official accounts and observed facts—regarding Charlie Kirk’s murder, government transparency, and media honesty. Redacted News maintains a theme of “silence equals complicity” and urges rigorous, evidence-based investigation while resisting the lure of “convenient” narratives—whether from state or media sources. The broader context ties together legal concepts, economic policy shifts, and the pressing transformation of work and value in the age of AI.

For listeners who couldn’t tune in, this summary unpacks both the main storylines and underlying arguments, presenting each in the conversational, probing manner characteristic of Redacted News.