A MAGA Civil War has just begun, Christians slaughtered in Nigeria, Charlie Kirk's audiit | Redacted

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Redacted News Podcast Summary

Episode: A MAGA Civil War has just begun, Christians slaughtered in Nigeria, Charlie Kirk's audit | Redacted
Podcast Hosts: Clayton & Natali Morris
Date: November 3, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Redacted News, hosts Clayton and Natali Morris tackle four major themes:

• The controversy surrounding U.S. threats of intervention in Nigeria over Christian persecution
• The suspicious circumstances and unanswered questions surrounding Charlie Kirk’s assassination and the canceled Turning Point USA internal audit
• The legacy and relevance of Pat Buchanan and the true origins of “America First”
• The intensifying “MAGA Civil War” within the Right, focusing on foreign intervention, party loyalty, and the generational divide, featuring insights from Clint Russell (Liberty Lockdown)

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1. U.S. Threats of Military Action in Nigeria Over Christian Slaughters (06:12–23:45)

Key Points

• Donald Trump publicly threatens to halt aid and prepare military intervention in Nigeria if Christian killings continue.
• The hosts question the selective outrage on Christian persecution: Why focus on Nigeria when similar atrocities occur in Congo, Syria, and Gaza?
• Discussion with John Hers (First Things Foundation) highlights the complexities of West African conflicts and casts suspicion on U.S. motives, suggesting interests may be tied to oil, minerals, and China’s economic foothold.

Notable Quotes

• Clayton Morris (06:12):
  “Are we going to bomb Nigeria now? ... If the Nigerian government continues to allow the killing of Christians, the USA... may very well go into that now disgraced country guns a-blazing to completely wipe out the Islamic terrorists who are committing these horrible atrocities.”
• John Hers (09:14):
  “Christian words get used from time to time in order to make sense of the electorate and who's going to vote for whom. But when you’re in West Africa, there’s a quilt of Muslims and Christians living together... What’s not good is the way we, as an empire, understand these humble people... It’s very vicious.”
• Natalie Morris (11:11):
  “Here is an American politician saying people are killing Christians, we take it upon ourselves to kill those people. We are now God. I think we can pretty much reject that...”
• John Hers (18:59):
  “Each level depends. There is no centralized authority. So when you start bombing people there... you have the worst kind of war that you can possibly imagine. Just like in Afghanistan, right?”

Timestamps

• [06:12] Trump’s statement on Nigeria
• [08:48] Interview with John Hers
• [13:48] African geopolitics: China, Russia, Wagner Group
• [18:59–21:20] The realities of war & power structure in Nigeria
• [23:00] Nigeria’s oil, Chinese involvement, U.S. motives

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2. Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk’s Assassination & The Audit Scandal (24:24–41:43)

Key Points

• Charlie Kirk ordered a sweeping internal audit at TPUSA amid suspicions of financial mismanagement and potential embezzlement, days before his assassination.
• After his death, the audit was abruptly canceled by Tyler Boyer; donors demand transparency and halt donations.
• Investigative journalist Brian Ferenc reveals alleged NGO and foreign funding links, shell companies, possible bribes, and concern that TPUSA acts as a personal cash machine for insiders.
• Donors and critics who raise questions reportedly face harassment, doxing, and retaliation from TPUSA staff and supporters.

Notable Quotes

• Clayton Morris (24:24):
  “One of Charlie Kirk’s last company-wide directives was to carry out a Doge-style audit... He confided there were significant money problems... Where was all this money going?”
• Brian Ferenc (28:40):
  “I think it really goes back to when Tyler Boyer... just lied to everyone, like a thousand people on stage... And in less than a year, he turned around and is staging a coup... That raised some questions...”
• Brian Ferenc (36:05):
  “It has been swept under the rug. It’s definitely been downplayed... Where’s Erica Kirk? Erica, you need to push for this—your husband wanted this.”
• Natalie Morris (36:59):
  “It just feels very much like the leader’s been killed and the people around him all have a vested interest in moving on from his death and asking no questions.”

Timestamps

• [24:24] Details of Kirk’s audit & assassination
• [28:40] Financial questions & donor reactions
• [31:34–33:55] Funding sources, USAID, foreign donations
• [34:03] Donor harassment & doxing
• [38:44] TPUSA’s network of shell organizations
• [41:43] Pattern of gaslighting, calls for third-party audit

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3. The Legacy of Pat Buchanan & The America First Movement (46:17–61:43)

Key Points

• The episode provides a retrospective on Pat Buchanan, painting him as the “OG” of the America First, anti-interventionist Right, now under renewed attack in the “MAGA Civil War.”
• Buchanan’s warnings on foreign entanglements, criticism of Israeli lobby influence, and predictions about cultural and economic decline are highlighted, positioning him as both prophet and pariah.
• Archival audio and video is interspersed to underline Buchanan’s prescience about wars, borders, and the media smears he endured.

Notable Quotes

• Clayton Morris (47:44):
  “Long before all of this modern day canceling... there was a man who showed us exactly how this movie would play out. That man is Patrick J. Buchanan...”
• Clayton Morris (52:15):
  “The thing that got him canceled was singular. Buchanan was one of the first mainstream conservatives to openly criticize Israeli influence in U.S. politics.”
• Pat Buchanan (archive, 49:58):
  “Friends, this election is about more than who gets what. It is about who we are. There is a religious war going on in this country. It is a cultural war... For this war is for the soul of America...”
• Clayton Morris (56:34):
  “He said that if you criticize foreign involvement in our country, you’re called a racist... This was 15 years ago.”

Timestamps

• [46:17] The movement to cancel critics like Tucker, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes
• [48:57] Buchanan’s “culture war” speech
• [52:15] Buchanan’s criticism of Israeli lobbying and U.S. foreign policy
• [56:34–57:30] Buchanan warns about the collapse of U.S. unity
• [61:03] Archive debate: Buchanan v. Hannity on Iran

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4. The MAGA Civil War: Foreign Policy, Generational Split, and Party Loyalty

Interview with Clint Russell (Liberty Lockdown) — 63:51–79:01

Key Points

• The Republican Party is experiencing an intra-party “civil war” over the America First vision: Should the U.S. continue foreign interventions, especially on Israel’s behalf?
• Younger conservatives and “post-liberal” voices, embodied by figures like Nick Fuentes, Thomas Massie, and Clint Russell, are openly challenging neocon control and legacy institutions.
• Clint Russell argues that the grassroots is demanding that politicians actually deliver what they promised, i.e., ending “endless wars.”
• Generational rebellion is discussed: Young men are embracing anti-establishment masculinity and political engagement in defiance of years of marginalization.
• Russell expresses concern for prominent voices (e.g., Tucker Carlson) after the fate of Charlie Kirk and warns of possible false-flag events used to manufacture consent.

Notable Quotes

• Clint Russell (64:52):
  “The demands are pretty straightforward. It's to do what you campaigned on... Stop prioritizing Israel. I think—just do what you promised.”
• Clint Russell (67:18):
  “We need rebellion. We need to embrace kind of youthful masculinity once again. And if it's Nick [Fuentes] that has to do that, so be it.”
• Clint Russell (70:40):
  “You're not here to be breadcrumbed. We're looking down the barrel of a $38 trillion national debt gun... They continue to push foreign countries, particularly Israel first, and it's just not acceptable anymore, particularly given what Israel has done over the past two years.”
• Natalie Morris (73:41):
  “The one thing that gives me hope... is that we see collectively manipulation in a way we never have before. So the deep state has fewer shadows because there's so much light...”

Timestamps

• [63:51] Set-up: GOP RJC attendees declare all must stand with Israel, or be thrown out — intro to Clint Russell
• [64:52] Russell: “Do what you campaigned on. Stop the wars. Stop prioritizing Israel.”
• [67:18] Discussion of young men, Nick Fuentes, generational rift
• [70:40–71:56] Neocon betrayal, financial brinkmanship, and consequences
• [73:41] Hope for unity and optimism on exposing manipulation
• [76:44] Russell: “We just need to go back to our founding... non-entangling alliances, put this country first... embrace Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul.”
• [78:55] Natalie’s closing: increased transparency brings hope

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Memorable Moments & Pithy Lines

• Pat Buchanan (archive, 49:58):
  “There is a religious war going on in this country. It is a cultural war as critical to the kind of nation we shall be as the Cold War itself.”

• Clint Russell (68:10):
  “If we're gonna go down the tribal or identitarian path, my only identity and my only tribe is America.”

• Natalie Morris (11:11):
  “Here is an American politician saying people are killing Christians, we take it upon ourselves to kill those people. We are now God.”

• Brian Ferenc (36:05):
  “Where is Justin [the new COO]? Justin, why aren't you commenting on this audit?... Donors, don’t worry. I’m shocked there's no statement from Erica Kirk on this.”

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Conclusion

This episode of Redacted News delivers a critical look at U.S. foreign intervention under the “America First” mantle, the internal rot and infighting within conservative movements, and the generational crusade for authenticity and accountability in politics. Through interviews and archival material, the Morrises and guests challenge mainstream narratives, underscore the importance of following the money, and echo a call to return to the movement’s anti-war, pro-sovereignty roots.

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Listen for:

• In-depth analysis of the real reasons behind U.S. threats of intervention in Nigeria ([06:12–23:00])
• Exposé on Turning Point USA’s corporate intrigue and donor revolt ([24:24–41:43])
• Pat Buchanan’s uncensored wisdom and the link to today’s America First fight ([46:17–61:43])
• Clint Russell’s manifesto on the future of MAGA, the generational right, and the price of disloyalty ([63:51–79:01])

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Transcript

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[Clayton Morris]

Live from the Rocky Mountains. This is redacted. I'm Clayton Morris.

[Natalie Morris]

I'm Natalie Morris.

[Clayton Morris]

And on this show, we cover the stories the mainstream media largely ignores. And we try to sift through all of the propaganda. And we have no agenda here on this show except the truth. Thank you guys for dialing us up. On this Monday, we are going to look at the. We're going to look today at a number of big stories. We're going to start off with potential war with Nigeria because Christians being slaughtered there. The world's attention, President Trump's attention is suddenly with Christians slaughtered there. But what about Christians being slaughtered in other regions of the world where they remain totally silent? It's very interesting. We're going to discuss that.

[Natalie Morris]

We're going to discuss the money following the money at Turning Point usa, because again, the explanation for Charlie Kirk's death continues to not add up. And we're looking at people who may have had some dirt on their hands behind him.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, motive, right? I mean, like money is a money lead. Like, you know, is a big motive in a lot of, in a lot of murders. Right. So is money at the heart of this?

[Natalie Morris]

We're also going to look at Pat Buchanan because he had his 87th birthday over the weekend. He has been trending because a lot of times, you know, we think that this America first movement is nationed. It's not him. Ron Paul. There's been people who have been saying this for a long time. We're gonna look at his legacy because I think it's worth looking at. We're also gonna talk about the MAGA civil war. Is Tucker Carlson kicked out of the Republican Party because his refusal to back foreign wars? This is interesting. I'm really excited. We're gonna talk to Clint Russell from the Liberty Lockdown Channel. One of my favorites, one of my favorite X accounts, if you don't already follow him. And we're gonna talk about who cares about MAGA if we actually want our self interest fulfilled by Our politicians.

[Clayton Morris]

I love people like, yeah, Tucker's kicked out of maga. He was never MAGA to begin with. What are you talking about? Like, this idea that that's some sort of an insult is ridiculous. But, you know, that's how they're trying to paint all these people.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, it's the name calling, right? You're an anti Semite. You're not maga, you're not this, you're not that. I mean, at this point, if you've been red pilled for the last two or three years, four or five years, it doesn't matter anymore what they call you. Putin, Russian lover, transphobe. Like, stop these names, they're deflated. Talk about substance or nothing else. But we are going to continue to talk about the substance because there are things that we need to continue to demand from our politicians. We are not like the left. We are continuing to push for the things that we've demanded.

[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

You know, I just took that shot at the left, and then I was feeling bad about it during your commercial break because I think that the things that we're talking about today and increasingly in the show are things that the left claim to, like religious freedom. You know, no deep state corruption, no wars. No wars, free speech, all of those things. Now, I really would like the left to come around and say, you know what we did? We failed to criticize the policies of the Biden administration because we had Trump derangement syndrome. We don't care about that anymore. Our worst night where it came true. Trump is a president. We still want those things. We should be able to coalesce around that. And so the left, it's not too late to stop being elitist and hateful and join the very moderate positions of independence. And so I didn't want to just take that hit as if I think that the right can solve problems. Clearly, they can't. We're 10 months into the Trump administration. They haven't done. I did appreciate sh. Go ahead, go ahead.

[Philip]

Sorry. I did appreciate a Reddit. I saw, like, a Reddit headline. It was like, the Democrats are bracing for life without Nancy Pelosi, you know, like her stepping down or something like that. And the very, very top comment in that was like, I'm a Democrat. I'm not bracing for anything.

[Clint Russell]

We need these people to go, there we go.

[Philip]

And I was like, yep, there you go.

[Natalie Morris]

You know, I don't have a lot of faith in the left to think independently, but maybe these are centrist positions that we're talking about protecting our families and our communities. So join us. We're not hateful. Maybe they will. How many people from the left are here? Like, zero, maybe.

[Clayton Morris]

I mean, there's a lot of. There were a lot of anti war. You know, in the era of Bill Clinton, it's like, hey, smaller government, wait a minute. We're gonna cut. We're gonna cut all these defense spending. We're gonna do all of that. We're gonna actually put things in a lockbox. Remember Al Gore telling us about our lockbox? Because we're gonna balance the budget.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

We're gonna Stop these foreign wars, right? It's a long time ago. Well, speaking of foreign wars, are we going to bomb Nigeria now? President Trump posting this on social media a short time ago. If the Nigerian government continues to allow the killing of Christians, the USA will immediately stop. All aid and assistance to Nigeria may very well go into that now disgraced country guns a blazing to completely wipe out the Islamic terrorists who are committing these horrible atrocities. I'm hereby instructing the Department of War to prepare for possible action. If we attack, it'll be fast, vicious and sweet. Just like the terrorist thugs are cherished Christians warning the Nigerian government better move fast. So he's warning them that if Christians continue to be killed, the US will immediately stop aid and assistance to Nigeria and may very well go into that now disgraced country guns a blazing. Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War said, yes sir, the killing of innocent Christians in Nigeria and anywhere must end immediately. The Department of War is preparing for action. Either the Nigerian government protects Christians or we will kill the Islamic terrorists who are committing these horrible atrocities. Now he says that he directed Secretary War to prepare for an attack and Secretary Hegseth confirmed that that's moving forward. The Nigerian government rejected this threat. Are Christians actually at risk in Nigeria? Yeah, they are. The scale of violence against Christians there has been widely documented. By the way, many, many Muslims are also being slaughtered by the same group of Fulani Muslim herders have not only been attacking Christians, they've been attacking Muslims. Christians in the north, Muslims in the south. But Christians are also under threat elsewhere. And there's been total silence from so called maga. This summer ISL claimed responsibility for a horrific church attack in eastern Democratic Republic of Congo. Christians have been slaughtered in Syria and in Gaza. Why then this sudden like singular focus on Nigeria? We're going to send in troops. We're going to bomb the hell out of you. Why isn't the same energy being applied to places like Congo, like the Gaza Strip, like Syria? Could be due to Nigeria's cozy economic relationship with China perhaps. Who knows, maybe very similar to what's going on in Venezuela right now. Are we watching selective outrage play out on a global scale? Well, John hers is the founder of First Things foundation and he's been watching this closely. He has traveled the world to really spread Christian faith and is watching this unfold in real time. John, great to have you on the show.

[John Hers]

Clayton. Natalie, I'm very happy to be here and it's crazy what's going on. And as a lover of West Africa, it's not what you think it is. That's what's happening.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, maybe you can unpack that. So what do we think it is or not? Us. But what. How are they. How are they putting this out there? You know, covering this up? And then what is the truth here?

[John Hers]

Look, it's Machiavellian politics demands that you. That you demonstrate authority and that you acquire power. And this is all it's about. Christian words get used from time to time in order to make sense of the electorate and who's going to vote for whom. But when you're in West Africa, there's a. There's a. There's a quilt of Muslims and Christians living together in various places. It happens all the time. Where we work in Sierra Leone, you see people connected in the same family, Muslim and Christian. And so the messages that are being used right now. And I think something has to be said about President Trump. It's really important that Christianity isn't something that you use with word. It's not. It's not a word, faith. It's something that fundamentally that allows you to die to your own desires. That's what Christianity is. And politics actually is the opposite. And so what I think is being put out there is whatever serves neocon interests since the. Since World War II. And those interests are always about empire. They're no longer about republic. And I can say one thing. I don't want to go on and on, but I'll tell you this about West Africans. I lived in Mali. I learned Bambur. I understand the way people think. People are generally good. Whether they're Muslim or Christian, they're generally good. What's not good is the way we, as an empire, understand these humble people. Well, very, very vicious. The way we approach just very ancient communities who are really just trying to figure out how to manage themselves within the global economy, which is an economy for the enlightened wealthy. So I could go on, but I'm happy to be here, and I don't want to ruin my. I want to be able to come back.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, what we want from you is an explanation of what we don't understand. And we don't want to come at this from a political explanation of a country that is saying we will use the Bible to kill. I think most of us, if you've read the Bible, you know that we are not God. It's not on us to kill pretty much ever. You don't kill, right, Unless somebody is threatening you and you defend yourself. So here is an American politician saying people are Killing Christians, we take it upon ourselves to kill those people. We are now God. I think we can pretty much reject that, even as we understand that there are. There is violence against Christians in Africa. So maybe take that one thing at a time. What is the scale of violence against Christians?

[John Hers]

Right.

[Natalie Morris]

And why is the United States picking just this one?

[John Hers]

So we're not on the ground our work in Nigeria. So it's important that I don't say things I don't know. I will say this. We're on the ground in Sierra Leone, the very tail end of some of the most violent things there. And even then, what you have are pictures and live recordings of very violent things that are happening in pockets. And I can say that much like in Gaza, what Boko Haram is trying to do in that part of Nigeria is clean it up of potential power players who don't share worldviews. So the worldview here is really important. A Christian worldview is different than an Islamic worldview, but a Christian worldview is very close to a traditional Muslim worldview in the sense that they are not using violence. Most Muslims to create suffering, they will. And so I want to say that's really important. So I would say this to you. Like, in Gaza, the decisions that are being made are first about who has the power and how do they keep the power. And I don't think it's what we think it is. And I do. Clayton, you were talking about China. This is really important in our work. We're on four different continents. I never in Guatemala, Central. Wherever we go, you find the Chinese at work building ports and infrastructure. And wherever you see that, there's already been deals made for years about who's going to run that stuff.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, yeah.

[John Hers]

And I don't know the connection in terms of. Of China in Nigeria well enough to speak, but I, I would bet a lot of dough that that's going on.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, to my understanding, and I'm nowhere near as intelligent on this subject as you are, but I know that, I know that Africa is the focus, is the absolute focus from Russia, from China right now. And so when you're making these power plays in Venezuela and Africa, you have the Wagner group of Russia in Africa, like, all eyes on Africa right now. So when I hear that Christians are being attacked, like, that's awful. However, I want to know the real story in the same way that I wanted to know why you just ignored all the Christians being attacked in Syria. Why did you ignore the Christians being attacked in Gaza? But now you're really focused on Nigeria all of a sudden and we're going to bomb everyone.

[John Hers]

Well, I'm an orthodox Christian, you know, like the palace many Palestinians, like many Syrians, many Russians, Ukrainians. And we get the inside baseball on this. My father was a, was a, was a priest in a Palestinian parish. I never was under any illusions about Israel and what happens to Christians in that part of the world. They're not.

[Natalie Morris]

Can you explain that? What do you mean is that it was taught to you that Palestinian Christians are unsafe?

[John Hers]

So let's talk about unsafe for a second. They're unsafe in the sense that they're just as unwanted as the Muslim population in Palestine. Both share the same problem is that they don't fully support the Zionist. And I say Zionists, I'm not talking about individual people. The Zionist plan in the Middle east, that is not something that orthodox Palestinian Christians care about. And since Israel has made its push in the last 40 years, Palestinian Christians have left and they've died in numbers during this particular push. And so we hear about all this. Orthodox Christians hear about all this. We know. So it's. But thanks to you guys, a lot of people don't know, in fact, most people don't know what an Orthodox Christian is. And that is also another issue that I think the entire of America has to wrestle with, which is what is Christianity? Because see, I don't know that people, people have lost track of what it is to in fact be an American Christian. What, what, how do I square that circle? Like what is that to be an empire and also be a Christian? Like what is that? How do we do that?

[Natalie Morris]

And right.

[John Hers]

I think history tells us we don't do that.

[Natalie Morris]

I think you're right. But I think it's worth noting that Africa has one of the largest spreading populations of Christians and is on track to have a larger population of Christians in South America by 2060. So, you know, this gives.

[Brian Ferenc]

What do you think?

[Natalie Morris]

I mean, if I were somebody who wanted to expand my military power and I was looking at Africa as a growing power center, I might lob onto that pretty early and say, oh, the Christian population is my caused a celeb. That's why I need to be there militarily. Wouldn't you?

[John Hers]

Yes, I would. Is I can't think like that. The, the planning, the manipulation. It's hard for us on the ground who are trying to do humanitarian work. We do such simple and beautiful stuff. We can't think like this. And so when people throw curveballs at this high level, this power level, what it does for us people. We live long term in places like West Africa and the Caucuses. And when people talk like this, you know what it does for us? It guts us. Because we realize that at a level we can't control, they're actually sinister people. They're not out for your interest. And maybe I'm Pollyannish and acting like a baby, but for people who are actually invested in human beings, you know, like, last time I checked, that's what Christians are supposed to do. It's hard to watch this stuff. It's brutal.

[Clayton Morris]

When you say neocons, you specifically watch our leaders. Yeah. Sorry to interrupt, John. I know we had a little bit of a delay there, but you mentioned neocons, and they're at the heart of this, of course. So I'm curious, when we're here, we're going to bomb, we're going to bomb these people. We're going to stop these Islamic, you know, these farmers who are attacking these Christians and who are attacking Muslims. Like, what are the targets? Like, what, what are they going for here? Because to me, it all. It always sounds like. And it sounds like, you know, it sounds like oil interests and mineral interests and we're going to bomb them. Like, what, what targets are we talking about here? Do they have a headquarters? Like the, you know, like the evil to the Justice League fight, you know, the head, like a headquarters, you know, and you knew where, you know, move all the time. And I'm like, we're going to go sleuth or. Yeah, we're going to go attack their headquarters. Like, we're talking about these, like, farmers. What are we going to like, is this Afghanistan all over again? What are we talking about here?

[John Hers]

Yes, can I, can I give you a. I'll just paint a picture the best I can. So there's going to be a military base somewhere out there? There was actually, and it was, it was destroyed recently. But the military base is. It's going to look more like a ymca. If you and I went there, you'd be like a YMCA with some soldiers. And then inside there is a. Is a general that's made a deal and he's made a deal with a local mayor. And the mayor, the local mayor's made a deal with some regional official, and that regional official is probably being paid through various sales of different products. Nobody has an allegiance to a national concept in that part of Nigeria or where we work in West Africa. The allegiance is to family and to father. The name of your father and the name of your father is associated With. Right. The name of your chief and the name of the chief might be associated with a mayor, but the mayor is not always in charge of anything. And it's the same with national politics, politicians in Nigeria. So each level, right, Each level depends. There is no. There is no centralized authority. So when you start bombing people there, what you're going to do is take loose alliances and you're going to create strong, powerful alliances. And when you get any boot on the ground in that part of the world, you have the worst kind of war that you. That you can possibly imagine. Just like in Afghanistan, right?

[Brian Ferenc]

Yeah.

[John Hers]

And it's just not good. It's not good. It's not good.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah, you make a great point. There's no real power structure to go after. Even the Nigerian government is saying, sure, you can help us against terrorists, but you must respect our sovereignty. But it's a mess. Like you say, you can't come in with your Western ideals of who's the good guy and who's the bad guy. It doesn't work like that. It's a mess. It's a spider network.

[John Hers]

Can I make one point on that, Natalie? Just one real quick point. Most people, their alliance, their allegiance is with their chief, and that person is trying to provide them a way to sell their wares in a way that they can make it to the next week. And if you just put yourself in that position, most Americans are in that position.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[John Hers]

There's nothing different about Americans and Africans except for, you know, there's all these technological implementations we can talk about, but people want the same thing. Sadly, the people at the top are manipulating them constantly. Constantly.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

John, great to see you. Thank you so much. I first learned about your work, I think maybe like a year ago when you're with your interview with Tucker Carlson up there at his house in Maine. So, anyway, spreading this message. John, thank you so much for your work and thank you for your perspective on this. We appreciate it.

[John Hers]

What a wonderful thing. God bless you. Thank you, John.

[Natalie Morris]

You know, he makes a great point. He's talking about how we might see this and be like, oh, okay, Christians under attack. We don't like it. Yeah, let's go get that. But what do we think this actually looks like in practical terms? I remind you of the term by Lieutenant Amos Fox that's precision paradox. There's no way to just surgically go in, pull out the bad guys, and kill them and stop the problem. We were not able to do that in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen. I mean, how many countries have we Failed to do that. It doesn't work like that. So we have to think about what is actually at play here. Why didn't we do that in Congo, if that were possible? Why did we not do that in Gaza? Go ahead, Philip.

[Philip]

Well, it occurred to me while he was speaking that.

[Clayton Morris]

Excuse me.

[Philip]

So we've got the Venezuela. We're threatening to go to war with Venezuela over fentanyl. That's not coming from Venezuela.

[Brian Ferenc]

Sure.

[Philip]

And now we're threatening. What does Venezuela and Nigeria have in common?

[Natalie Morris]

China.

[Clayton Morris]

China. Oil, Oil resources and Chinese ports.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah.

[Philip]

Nigeria is the largest oil producer in Africa. And so it's like to me, I'm looking at it and I was like, are we just gonna go through all of the old OPEC list and just one at a time, find something that we can like, point at and go, oh, you're doing a thing we don't like. We're bombing you.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, yeah. You don't want your Chinese ports built. In our sphere of influence here, Africa is the next frontier. Africa is the next. I mean, eyes on the prize in Africa.

[Natalie Morris]

So, yeah, I mean, absolutely. We don't want to see Christians killed either. But Clayton makes a great point. There are Muslims being killed there as well. We don't have selective outrage for humans.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah.

[Philip]

The U.S. military is not the protector of Christianity. It's not our job to go around the world and protect Christianity. I'm sorry for people that wish it was, but it's not. That's not our job.

[Clayton Morris]

How about we protect Americans?

[Clint Russell]

That's a novel idea.

[Clayton Morris]

Like here at home. Maybe we should start with that instead of getting these boondoggles with these foreign wars around the rest of the world. We're going to talk about a little bit more about foreign wars in a moment. We're going to talk about pat Buchanan, his 87th birthday this weekend, and we're kind of do a deep dive on what he meant to the America first movement. Long before we had people like our friend Tucker Carlson or other individuals. Ron Paul, Rand Paul, who are now all being canceled. Yeah, he was the OG. We're also going to talk about TP USA's dirty money trail. And you know, you want motivations of like, why was an individual assassinated? Well, maybe we should be following the money because that's usually the motive behind most murders, wouldn't you say? We're going to look at this dirty money trail with investigative journalist Brian Ferenc in a second.

[Natalie Morris]

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[John Hers]

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[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

All right, let's talk about this. Well, one of Charlie Kirk's last company wide directives was to carry out a Doge style audit at Turning Point usa. He confided that there were significant money problems, possible embezzlement, maybe fraud. He wanted to get to the bottom of it. Why were they burning through cash so quickly? That seems odd. Here's the memo that he sent to staff just eight days before he was assassinated on September 2nd. He wrote this, and he lays out in this memo his plans for the audit. He tasked his new coo, Justin Sterif, with assembling a team to boost efficiency, cut costs, align metrics, reshape the company culture. Insiders knew what was going on, and they said that Charlie was concerned about how they were burning through so much cash so quickly. Where was all this money coming from? And by the way, where was it all going? Was it being spent on vendors? Like ridiculous amounts for vendors at different live events? Like, where was all this money going? Then right after his death, investigative journalist Brian Ferenc. Then this. Right after his death, Brian Ferencz wrote this. Investigative journalist Brian Ferenc said, maybe we should be transparent about the TP USA donor list, what foreign countries they represent, where the money went, and why Tyler Boyer canceled the Doge style audit, and culture change Charlie Kirk ordered as his last wishes. Hmm. Yeah. Why would Tyler Boyer cancel Charlie's final big wish? A big company wide directive. It's kind of odd, isn't it, to audit all of this funny money? Wouldn't you want to get to the bottom of that? It's not just investigative journalists like Brian asking these questions. Now dozens of longtime TPUSA donors are asking and saying the very same thing. They've been making public statements about it online. They're pulling their donations because they smell something funny going on here and they want answers. They want answers about Charlie's death. They want answers about the money, where it was going, where it was coming from, all of that. Journalist Brian Ferenc is back on the show and it's great to have you back, Brian. Thank you. Man, you've really ruffled some feathers.

[Natalie Morris]

You're killing it guy over there. I love it.

[Clayton Morris]

Trying to get answers about where all this money is going to. People don't want to. Brian, don't ask these questions like you're digging in too deep here. When did you start smelling a rat?

[Brian Ferenc]

Thanks, Clayton and Natalie again for having me on the show in terms of, you know, when did I start smelling a rat? I think it really goes back to when Tyler Boyer. He was running the Arizona State party annual meeting. I'm an elected state committeeman as well, and at that point there was objections over ceding the. Well, electing the now AZ GOP chairwoman Gina Swoboda, regarding her eligibility because she moved districts and Tyler Boyer at the time was backing her. So he pushed that through. He just lied to everyone. Like a thousand people on stage pushed it through. He was later recorded in the lobby admitting that he lied. And then in less than a year he turned around and is staging a coup against the same Chairwoman Gina Swoboda that he endorsed less than a year ago. So that raised some questions along with pushing really the ballot chasing and targeting of low propensity Republican voters, which if you're doing mail in ballots that often results in historic losses for Republicans, it's a bad strategy. They don't do anything on election integrity. They don't want to end the machines because they make all their money from bread and butter. So that's really when I, when I smelled a rat, started looking into Tyler Boyer Turning Point USA and what they were doing in regards to, you know, this post from, from current donors. There's just a couple quotes, you know, that I'll read. Basically one of them is saying they've been a TPUSA donor for years. They love Charlie Kirk. But this immediately moving on after Charlie Kirk's assassination without questioning any of the obvious anomalies surrounding his death. We need to seek truth about what happened on that horrific day and seek real justice for Charlie. And some of these are very large donors, some of them are very small donors. But one of them said, agreed, I've stopped my donations. I'm not huge, but $25,000 a year is $25,000 a year. And then another one said I donate every year to TP usa. I too am halting my donations until I see the DOGE audit completed and a change in your culture.

[Clint Russell]

Wow.

[Natalie Morris]

Was this a deliverable for donors what Charlie's wish for the audit? Because when I first saw it, it broke after his death in the immediate aftermath. And I figured that it had to do with outlays, with expenditures, where's all the money going. But now we see how often he was losing donors. So there has to be also questions about inlays, not just outlays. And so do you think that you know, his donors were ever supposed to see this audit?

[Brian Ferenc]

Well, that's a good question and let me address a couple of things there. So. So I've written again on my X profile@brianference1. You can follow me or brianfrence.com but I've written a few things questioning these donors and some of the financial practices because basically What Turning Point USA does is they're a 501C3 and if you look at where some of their funds have come from, they've had very large donations from other organizations, NGOs typically which received USAID funding. So there was a post. And they dispute, oh, we never received any USAID funding. Well, not directly, but you were one donation away from these NGOs that received millions or hundreds of thousands, and then they turned right around and donated hundreds of thousands to Turning Point usa. So that's one source of the funding is usaid, which has been identified as fraudulent and misuse of taxpayer money. There's a lot of.

[Natalie Morris]

Yes. Also they fund the drunk trade. Have been for years in Asia. So. Okay, go on.

[Brian Ferenc]

Exactly. And then there's a lot of talk that a lot of these donations, again because they hide their donors, are coming from maybe aipac, maybe directly from Israel. I mean, there was a lot of commentary from Netanyahu's government saying, you know, they were making donations to TPUSA or had discussions about donations with Charlie Kirk. So I think there is evidence that they were. TPUSA was directly taking foreign donations in the past. Charlie wanted to stop that. So I think it's very concerning the fact that this, this Doge audit appears to have been canceled. It was kind of downplayed as, oh, this is a normal every year audit. I think Andrew Colvett, the spokesperson for tpsua, said that. But that's not true. Charlie doesn't call for a culture change. And it's not like every audit because your founder was just assassinated. So this is not like every audit. It really needs to be looked into. That's what the donors are demanding. And they're saying as soon as they went public with that, they started being hounded by Turning Point USA employees and their little shills that they have online. And it's interesting to.

[Clayton Morris]

Wait a minute. Can you explain that? I'm sorry I missed that. You mentioned to me you and I were chatting offline, but they started being hounded. How so?

[Brian Ferenc]

One donor said as soon as he posted that that he was withholding his donations, he immediately got a bunch of messages online. Basically harassment from people saying, you never donated, you're a liar, you need to keep donating, threatening to dox them. And I just want to draw the comparison that, you know, there was another scandal that TPUSA was involved with this Halloween costume from teachers in the Tucson school district of Vail. And they wore these costumes that had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk at all. And again, Andrew Colvitt and Tyler Boyer and Jake Hoffman were posting and reposting, basically saying, oh, look, they're glorifying Charlie Kirk's assassination. And these teachers were, they were doxxed, they were threatened, they were harassed, and it was all A lie. And the school, you know, apologized for it. They said, you know, we're saddened by this situation, had nothing to do with Charlie Kirk. You know, we do apologize. We won't wear the shirts again. But people are being targeted and threatened as a result of this. And that's. It's a pattern of behavior for tpusa that as soon as they don't like something, they go after you, they harass you, they dox you, they threaten you online, they try to cancel you. And they're doing that with their own donors.

[Clayton Morris]

Now, where do things stand now with this Doge style audit? Because I think from your reporting on this that Tyler Boyer canceled the audit. I mean, it's pretty brazen. Eight days before his assassination, he's calling for this audit.

[John Hers]

But.

[Clayton Morris]

That would be something, you would think, as a company, we want to honor Charlie Kirk's maybe last Company wide large directive to change the culture to find out where all this money is going. Nope. Now it seems like it's just swept under the rug. Is that right?

[Brian Ferenc]

Yeah, it has been swept under the rug. It's definitely been downplayed by both Colvitt and Boyer. But what I would call this new COO of tpusa, Justin Strafe, he was appointed in that same memo. Where is Justin? Justin, why aren't you commenting on this audit? What's the progress? Has it been canceled? Are you going to, you know, follow through on Charlie Kirk last wishes and the donor's wishes, or are you going to bow to Tyler Boyer, who allegedly has hired or placed, you know, most of the leadership, most of the board with TP USA and controls everything from the shadows. And where's. Where's Erica Kirk? Erica, you need to push for this. I mean, your husband wanted this. He wrote it. Why is she not making a statement? Yes, this is going forward. We're gonna do this. We're gonna clean things up. Donors. Don't worry. I'm shocked there's no statement from Erica Kirk on this.

[Natalie Morris]

You know what this reminds me of? The movie Gladiator is when Marcus Aurelius is killed because his son wants the throne and he's about to hand it to. Like, it just feels very much like the leader's been killed and the people around him all have a vested interest in moving on from his death and asking no questions. Does that resonate with anybody else?

[Clayton Morris]

Well, I mean, that's what the donors are saying. I mean, it's resonating with the donors. The donors are saying that in their messages. You can just read them online. I spent a couple days now reading through these donors messages and they're all saying the same thing like you guys are. You're attacking other people for questioning what caused the death of Charlie Kirk. And you're moving so quickly beyond it. I'm pulling my money. Large donors.

[Brian Ferenc]

That's right. And it's a pattern of gaslighting that tpusa, particularly Tyler Boyer and their consultant in ads, Jake Hoffman, that they do that all the time. Anyone that dares question Charlie's assassination is an evil person. And how dare you. Anyone that dares question this lie we made up about, you know, the, these poor teachers in Tucson wearing, you know, Halloween shirt. How dare you? You know, any donors that dare cancel your, your, your donations. How dare you? And I mean, it's just crazy. Even after both Colvett and Hoffman put out statements walking back, you know, the TPUs lies about the Halloween costumes, but then they just double down again and say, well, you know, it's, it's bad that they're, that they're doing this anyways, never mind about Charlie Kirk. But teachers shouldn't wear these kind of costumes. And they're just still threatening them, still harassing them, even though the lie has been completely proved to be false.

[Clayton Morris]

And it's not just TP usa, right? It's like TPUSA Faith. Like there's other pieces of all of this and there's, it's not just, it's not just this main body and there's questions across the board.

[Brian Ferenc]

That's a great point. So TP USA is the 501C3. And for many years, if you look at their financials, they've been donating directly to the 501C4, which is turning Point action, which is a political group that in and of itself is a violation of the IRS rules for nonprofits. If you look at the IRS rules and then they're basically doing some kind of shell game. It looks many people have allegedly compared it to Enron. The way Enron had so many shell companies companies. There are dozens of TPUSA related PACs, nonprofits, TPUSA faith. There's in other countries. Every state has multiple ones. If you look at, in Wisconsin, I've written about this before, there was something like 13,000, 14,000 or I'm sorry, 140,000 in like donations all throughout the states basically in a coup attempt of the state parties and the county parties there. So they're running it all through these shell companies, these shell packs. Really, it all needs to be audited by a third party. Because there's also allegations that. Where is the money going? Some of it appears to be going to bribes. Has been alleged and the evidence shows that. And then some of the money may have been embezzled or directly, directly directed to sub companies of the executives. For example, it's been alleged that Tyler Boyer himself and for example Jake Hoffman owns many companies. All that money comes in and they just do a no bid contract directly to vendors that they themselves own. So this, this non profit money is flowing and it's coming into the 501C, four maybe other shell companies and it's going directly into their pockets.

[Clayton Morris]

No bid. Hey, we've got a vendor for this event. You know, don't have to bid it out at all. It'll just flow right into our. Yeah, well, very interesting. Brian, you've been doing a great job. Our chat room is like, man, Brian is bold. Keep it up, my friend. I mean, I know you get attacked, but hey, like follow the money here and people are demanding answers and if you don't believe like Brian or I or anybody else, just like look at the donors who are pulling up their money and they want answers. So I hope that you're right. Justin steps forward and makes a declaration about where this Doge audit sits. We're gonna do it in Charlie's honor. We're gonna do it transparently with a third party company so everyone can see it. Because this is really starting to sound very, very dirty. Brian, thank you so much for your great work. You can follow Brian on X and where he writes and does some great work. Thank you, Brian.

[Brian Ferenc]

Thank you very much. Have a good day.

[Clayton Morris]

You too. Appreciate it.

[Brian Ferenc]

Wow.

[Natalie Morris]

Yes.

[Clint Russell]

Oh, man.

[Clayton Morris]

Just gets dirtier and dirtier.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah, it would seem. All right, well, we're not done here. There's. There's still more news to talk about. We're going to talk about how Pat Buchanan was right, what this America first movement was always supposed to be. How Pat Buchanan is one of the founders of it, how we can honor him still. And then we're going to talk about the MAGA civil war that is happening. People trying to cancel those who are holding our leaders to account for dragging us into foreign wars and they're being smeared. We're not here for that. We're going to talk to Clint Russell about this from the Liberty lockdown. He had a fantastic YouTube over the weekend. YouTube post about. It was basically a manifesto saying like, who cares about the movement? We care about the things that the movement told us it represented. We still care about that. We don't care about the headlines. We don't care about the, what am I, the, the neon sign, like let's burn that down and continue to demand the things that we have always thought that the, that our vote was for. So we'll talk about that in a second. But first we want to tell you about our friends over at Lear Capital because we all know the cost of war. It's a theft from the working class, cities leveled, families shattered, lives lost. And also the value of the dollar goes down because the government borrows from us in order to take lives abroad. That's what's not being said out loud though, is that it can also wipe out your financial future. Right now, of course, the US is on a dangerous path. Record spending continues. The US Debt continues. Even with the government shutdown. There's no stopping that. And you know, now we're looking for war with Nigeria, Venezuela, as well as the usual suspects, Ukraine, Russia, Iran. Keep the list. Just keeps going. And it's brutally expensive. This is not a scare tactic, it's a wake up call. It's what you need to be watching again. The devaluation of the US dollar, the rising debt. But gold and silver continue to hold their value as this continues because they are true assets. And in fact, Goldman Sachs is predicting that gold could hit $4,500 an ounce. And it's close. It continues to go up, up. Goldman Sachs was predicting that by 2026. Seems like that will hold true because smart money is moving and in fact billionaires and central banks are also investing in these tangible assets. We started doing this years ago. If you had done it when we told you to start, you'd be so happy that you did. But it really is not too late because these things are going to continue to hold value like the US Dollar will not. So let Lear teach you about this. Go on over to learredacted.com you can get your free guide. You also can have a conversation and I can tell you that they will talk to you as long as you have questions and put your mind at ease. They will teach you all the asset classes within metals. They can help you decide what you've got to work with and how you can get started. It really is a personal assessment, so call them at 800-613-3557 or go to learredacted.com you can also get up to $15,000 in free bonus medals with a qualified purchase. So one more time, call them 800-613-3557 or go to Lear. Redacted.com no one's going to protect your money. But you do it now before the next crisis hits. Well, we're here. I mean, it's hitting. So do it now while we're in the crisis, before the crisis continues to get worse. Leoraedacted.com all right, well, there is a.

[Clayton Morris]

Massive coordinated attack happening right now. Lots of. Of Israeli money being spent trying to. Trying to. Sorry, let me just start this over again here. So, David, I need the mouse because I can't use. I don't know what's going on there. So anyway. All right, let me start this over again. Well, there is a massive coordinated attack happening right now. Lots of Israeli money being spent trying to neutralize or cancel Tucker Carlson for being America First. America First Christian. They're trying to silence Candace Owens for being a Christian and being America First. They've de platformed Nick Fuentes for being an America First Christian. They've called us here redacted anti Semites after we said we must stop funding the genocide in Gaza, stop sending our weapons and money there. We should take care of Americans first. That's what we said we would do. The neocon Israel first crowd was out in force reminding us all how vile they are trying to camp cancel America first patriots who don't want our government run by foreign money. Watch.

[Pat Buchanan (archive clips)]

What do you mean we don't cancel people? We canceled David Duke. Donald Trump canceled David Duke. We canceled Pat Buchanan. We canceled the John Birch Society. We canceled Joseph Sobran. We canceled pornography on tv. We cancel stuff all the damn time. Hitler admires Stalin admires, Jew haters, American haters, Churchill haters. You're damn right we're going to cancel them and de platform them. It's called the market system. They don't have a lifetime job like a bureaucrat who we're going to protect. And if they're your friend, there's something wrong with you. No hit.

[Clayton Morris]

And today, Israel First. Ben Shapiro out to cancel Tucker and Nick Fuentes.

[Sean Hannity (archive clips)]

That fragmentation is being caused purposefully by a splinter faction of people led by a young man named Nick Fuentes. They call themselves the Groipers. They are white supremacists. They hate women, Jews, Hindus, many types of Christians, brown people of a wide variety of backgrounds, blacks, America's foreign policy and America's Constitution. They admire Hitler and Stalin. And that splinter faction is now being facilitated and normalized within the mainstream Republican Party. The main agent in that normalization is Tucker Carlson, who is an intellectual coward, a dishonest Interlocutor and a terrible friend.

[Clayton Morris]

I can say, first of all, he's a good friend, but. Okay. But long before all of this modern day canceling, all of this deplatforming, there was a man who showed us exactly how this movie would play out. That man is Patrick J. Buchanan, who turned 87 years old this weekend. As Mark Levin just pointed out, they got him canceled.

[Clint Russell]

He was the OG he canceled Pat Buchanan.

[Clayton Morris]

He was the OG Original America first conservative and really the first modern one. They canceled. So we thought it would be instructive to look at an America first patriot in the vein of George Washington. Because Buchanan refused to bow down to the globalist agenda. He refused to bow down to foreign laws, lobbies. He's tough. He made America first the cornerstone of his mission. When he ran for president, he was canceled by the establishment rhinos in Washington, D.C. he said out loud what everyone in Washington said behind closed doors. He was brave enough to say it out loud. That America should protect its borders, its jobs, its sovereignty, stop the flood of illegal immigration into our country. That we shouldn't send our sons to die for foreign wars or foreign lobbies. That the United States should put our own citizens first. Imagine that. And for that, they called him a racist, an isolationist, a bigot, and they canceled him.

[Pat Buchanan (archive clips)]

We canceled Pat Buchanan.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, you did. Mark Levin. Sound familiar? I remember watching the 1992 Republican National Convention as I was a young Republican at my high school at the time. I was in the Young Republicans club. This was when I was first learning about American politics. I was 15 years old at the time. I remember watching Pat Buchanan's speech. I didn't know it at the time, how impactful it would be. It's perhaps the most infamous moment of Buchanan's career. He delivered what's now called the culture war speech. He warned that America was in a religious war for the soul of the nation. He railed against abortion. He railed against feminism, trying to force women into combat. He railed against crazy environmentalists. He railed against getting involved in foreign wars. He railed against the LGBT agenda. Was it was only LGBT and it was lgb. I don't know what. Whatever the agenda was back in 1992, it wasn't plus plus plus plus because it was taking over America. Watch.

[Pat Buchanan (archive clips)]

Friends, this election is about more than who gets what. It is about who we are. It is about what we believe and what we stand for as Americans. There is a religious war going on in this country. It is a cultural war as critical to the kind of nation we shall be as the Cold War itself. For this war is for the soul of America, my friends. We must take back our cities and take back our culture and take back our country. God bless you and God bless America.

[Clayton Morris]

It was a lightning ball moment for conservatives who really felt like that they were finally being heard. It electrified the GOP base, but it horrified moderates, liberals and RINOs alike, like Dick Cheney and the media. They flipped out about it. They freaked out. How dare he tell the truth about what's actually happening in America. Supporters saw it as prophetic, though, really a sort of declaration of the moral battle that would dominate the next three decades. When he said there was a religious war, that was the moment the political establishment declared war on him and on the movement that he represented. A Christian America first agenda that kept us out of wars, closed our borders, fought against communism and socialist policies. But the thing that got him canceled was singular. Buchanan was one of the first mainstream conservatives to openly criticize Israeli influence in US politics. How dare you, you anti Semite. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, he accused the Israel lobby of dragging America into unnecessary wars, especially during the run up to the Gulf War. He called out the fact that Israel was basically asking America to do its bidding by going to war. Remember when Benjamin Netanyahu came before Congress, told us that Saddam was doing all of these horrible things? Yeah. He referred to Congress at that point as Israeli occupied territory. His words. A phrase that like, set Washington on fire. That was the phrase that got him canceled.

[Pat Buchanan (archive clips)]

We canceled Pat Buchanan.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. Yeah, you did. Today you can see that same civil war playing out inside the conservative movement. On the one side, the fake conservatives, the Israel first crowd, the Endless War crowd, the neocons, people like Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Ted Cruz, Randy Fine, Senator Lindsey Graham. They talk tough about liberty, but every time the globalists rattle a saber, they're the first to send your tax dollars overseas to Ukraine or, or Israel or wherever else. Ben Shapiro told conservatives to go get the COVID vaccine, for crying out loud. They don't care about America First. They were the people that Pat Buchanan despised. On the other side of it, the real America First. Conservatives, people who believe in Washington's original vision of non intervention, fair trade, national independence. That's the side Buchanan was on decades ago. That's the side we are on. That's the side that Tucker Carlson is on. That's the side Thomas Massie is on. That's the side Candace is on. That's the side Nick Fuentes is on. That's why they are under attack. They're by the same establishment that tried to destroy Pat Buchanan, although now they've got a lot more money, far more organized today. Pat Buchanan was born in 1938. He was raised a Catholic, educated by Jesuits, shaped the America. He was shaped by the America of factories, of families, of farms. He talked often about the American farmer and faith. And he hated, with every fiber in his being, American manufacturing being sent overseas by liberals. Buchanan became a speechwriter for Richard Nixon, then he served Ronald Reagan. He could have had a lifetime seat inside of Washington, but instead he just turned against it. In 1992, before that speech, where he ultimately threw his support behind Bush because he wasn't going to throw it behind Clinton. He ran against Bush because he said his party was betraying the working class, selling out Main Street. He hated globalism. And by the way, he would go to these small towns, and I remember interviewing him about this. He would go to these small towns and these workers felt like no one was listening to them. Sound familiar? When President Trump started going to these towns, they saw in President Trump a similar leader. He saw it just as clearly as Ron Paul saw it that America was handing over its sovereignty to unelected globalists, whether it's at the EU or NATO or the United Nations. He said this on the campaign trail, quote, we will fight to keep America's factories and jobs right here in the United States. And guess what? He was mocked for it. They made fun of his George Washington belief in protectionism. They said that protectionism was outdated, that free trade would lift all boats. Instead, it sank the American worker, destroyed the American worker. Thirty years later, even liberals now admit he was right. Towns across the Rust Belt are ghost towns. China controls our supply chains. Politicians now plagiarize his message. They call a populism. It's really Buchananism, because Buchanan didn't just talk about trade, he talked about borders. He warned that uncontrolled immigration would transform America into something unrecognizable. He said, quote, a nation that cannot control immigration, its borders, it's not a nation at all. He said that in the 1990s. Now look around. I mean, 20 million illegal immigrants crossing in just the past few years under President Biden, Sanctuary cities collapsing under their weight. I don't know if you saw the new numbers out of Denver, Colorado over the past 24 hours. Their budget massively, massively in trouble. Why? Well, it turns out when you're a sanctuary city and you're paying for, you know, tens of thousands of illegal Aliens. It's going to collapse your tax base. It's going to collapse the money you have to actually provide for your citizens. He was right. And working Americans are just competing for scraps while legal immigrants are getting cushy houses and apartments and free, you know, multi thousand dollar benefits. Food stamps. We found out they're getting food stamps. This video is from 15 years ago where he predicted exactly the moment we're in right now. It's actually pretty remarkable. The collapse of the unipolar order. Something been talking a lot about here on this show. He said that if you criticize foreign involvement in our country, you're called a racist. This was 15 years ago. Watch.

[Pat Buchanan (archive clips)]

I do believe this. We're going to have the American unipolar world where we're the single last superpower. That is definitely over. I think China is an emerging superpower. By 2020, economically and militarily, it'll be the dominant power in Asia. And I think in emerging superpower, look.

[Natalie Morris]

If they were not dead by 2025.

[Pat Buchanan (archive clips)]

The United States, I was worried. 2025. What concerns me is, is what's happening here at home. That we seem to be disintegrating as one nation under God, indivisible. All those things we had. It seems to me we're losing. We are very much at war with each other and it's over. Ideology, politics, religion, philosophy, everything. And the transition, the terms we're using on each other, I mean the term. I mean I'm on cable as you are. Every day somebody's calling somebody else a racist. We didn't use those kinds of terms on each other's. Even during the civil rights era.

[Natalie Morris]

Mm, no, it's true. But your book has a chapter called the End of War.

[Clayton Morris]

So when he said that America's political class was being captured by Israeli special interests, the media smeared him as anti Semitic. You're a racist. Because he dared to question whether Israel should dictate US foreign policy and that we should be sending billions of dollars to a foreign country. He said it plainly. Capitol Hill is Israeli occupied territory. They vilified him for it. He wrote a now famous column back in July of 2008. Take a look at this. This was called a phony crisis and a real one. And Buchanan at the time argued correctly that Israel and its fifth column in Washington D.C. are seeking to stampede us into war with Iran. I mean, think about that. Spot on. But the anti American organization known as the adl, some people call a terrorist organization, the Anti Defamation League, blasted him for it, called him an anti Semite over the line. Patrick Buchanan, you're over the line. They call him an anti Semite. So Pat Buchanan's entire foreign policy was built on George Washington's farewell address. Beware of foreign entanglements. He warned against expanding NATO. He warned, warned against the Gulf War. And he said, listen to this. He said meddling in Eastern Europe would eventually drag America into war with Russia. Proxy war in Ukraine. Anyone quoting him from 1999, quote, if you keep pushing NATO to Russia's borders, you will have a war in Eastern Europe, end quote. What's hilarious is the same people who ignored him are now funding a bloody proxy war in Ukraine right up to Russia's border. Lindsey Graham. Here are a few more. He called Iraq a huge mistake before it happened. He said America should not be the world's policeman. He was vilified by neocons like Dick Cheney and others and Israelis and the Israeli lobby. He warned that Hollywood and academia were engineering a cultural revolution that would tear down the very foundations of Western civilization. And that's exactly what happened when you have Netflix pushing trans ideology on children. So when Trump ran in 2016, it wasn't a movement, it was Buchananism 2.0 all over again. Economic nationalism, border security, non intervention cultural traditionalism. Trump made it mainstream. But Pat Buchanan built that blueprint. He created really the first America, first movement and he was vilified for it. And like Tucker and Candace today, he was branded a heretic for daring to challenge the system. He didn't care. He believed that national patriotism was a duty. It wasn't a sin like Mark Levin believes it is. So happy birthday, Pat Buchanan. I've been lucky enough over the years to interview him and I've always loved his courage. Didn't agree with all of it at the time. I was probably pretty uneducated, to be honest with you, and didn't appreciate it at the time. Like this time when he was taking on Sean Hannity who was trying to push the Israeli first position of getting us into war with Iran. And Pat Buchanan just wipes the floor with Hannity and he's not buying any of Hannity's bullshit. Watch.

[Sean Hannity (archive clips)]

Fighting proxy wars, threatening Israel to annihilate.

[Pat Buchanan (archive clips)]

Them and the United States.

[Clayton Morris]

You have no problem with that.

[Pat Buchanan (archive clips)]

Listen to the American head of intelligence. He says Iran does not have a bomb program as of 2013. Secondly, if they start building a bomb, we will know it. Third, Iran has made some concessions that are not enough that makes them less able.

[Sean Hannity (archive clips)]

Go back to 2012 and we found out they were far more advanced in their nuclear production and program than we ever thought possible. That's what our own.

[Pat Buchanan (archive clips)]

That's what Obama's own government said.

Your friend Bibi has been talking about Iran getting a bomb since 1992. In 2006, he said they'll be building 25 bombs by the end of the decade. Are they?

[Sean Hannity (archive clips)]

Patrick Buchanan, you don't have.

[Clayton Morris]

Look who is right. Sean Hannity with his pen in his hand pointing at Pat Buchanan. By the way, it's hilarious that like 20 years later, Sean Hannity's all over TV doing the exact same thing, same stuff, same same shtick.

[Natalie Morris]

Doesn't that get boring? The year 2025, you're still screaming about that without proof.

[Clayton Morris]

So Happy birthday. Happy 87th birthday, Pat Buchanan. You were America first before it was fashionable. Happy birthday, Pat Buchanan.

[Brian Ferenc]

All right.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, he you'll notice that conversation continues to grow online and it's really great to see people noticing this old age of reason that is resurfacing. So let's take that baton and continue with it. All right, coming up, we're going to talk about the MAGA civil war and how we feel about holding our leaders to account for the things that they promised in the 2024 election, such as ending foreign wars and stopping government spending. How are we doing on that? So we invited Clint Russell from the Liberty Lockdown. Really excited to hear from him for the first time on Redacted. So stay tuned for that in just a minute.

[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

Our next guest says that if there is a MAGA civil war, meaning ending foreign wars and the ability to question foreign intervention, he's ready for it. He says that if the neocon Republicans do not hear this generation's demand to end foreign interference, the next generation is going to burn down the old house and build a new one. And I love it. Over the weekend those battle lines were drawn at the Republican Jewish Convention. Lindsey Graham, Mark Levine, they all took to the stage and declared that the Republican Party stands with Israel. Anyone who does not feel that way will be thrown out on their butts of the gop, like Tucker Carlson. Clint Russell is the host of the Liberty Lockdown and he's one of my favorite voices on X. If you don't follow him, you absolutely should. He published a fantastic manifesto on his YouTube channel this weekend and I wanted to hear more about it. Thank you so much for joining me. You say that if this is the end of maga, so be it. So what are the demands here for independent thinkers?

[Clint Russell]

Well, I think the demands are pretty straightforward. It's to do what you campaigned on. It's to end the endless wars. It's to focus on America, to put America first, to stop prioritizing Israel. I think just do what you promised. Is that too much to ask? Have we lost our minds? That like, like that's actually an ultimatum that seems too far afield? Just makes no sense to me at all.

[Natalie Morris]

Right. And so you talk about how this denigration of these voices who are making very reasonable demands that we don't want to steal from the American people to wage wars abroad any longer. Am I on glue? This was a promise of the GOP during the last election, was it not?

[Clint Russell]

It sure was. It was the primary reason that that myself and probably a million other libertarians got behind Donald Trump. And now we're on the precipice of war with Venezuela, potential invasion of Nigeria. We bombed Iran, still haven't ended the proxy war in Ukraine. I mean, the list goes on and on. I'm just asking for you to do what you promised. That's it. So if that makes me a problem, well, good. I mean, that's what politics is all about. We need to demand of our elected representatives that they actually represent us, that they actually deliver on the promises. And I think that's really why someone like Nick Fuentes, despite all of his flaws and there are plenty, has caught fire, is that he represents the angst of these young men, and justifiably so. They came out of the kind of me too cancel culture environment. Their entire childhood was just awash with. With hatred of them being demonized. I'm tremendously sympathetic to that because, you know, I'm kind of the last generation that came about when that wasn't a thing. You know, I went to high school in the late 90s, college in the 2000s, like, right before basically the world lost its mind. So these kids dealt with all of that. They dealt with an economy that was imploding, and then they come into lockdowns, and it's like you expected them not to be radicalized. I mean, come on. So Nick Fuentes is a voice of these young people, and I appreciate it. For one, I think that we need rebellion. We need to embrace kind of youthful masculinity once again. And if it's Nick that has to do that, so be it.

[Natalie Morris]

Right? My son is 15, and there was a bunch of them on Halloween, and one of them, I said, did you dress as Nick Fuentes? And they're like, no, but it would have been awesome. So you can see what he means to teenage boys is the ability to be themselves and ask daring questions. None of these kids were hateful kids. They're really the best kids, I think, obviously, because they're my son's friends. Now, the manipulation here, though, is that if you ask these questions and break apart the party, the other side will win. Most of us who are independents, we don't care about these tribal identities. We want something for our kids and for our lifestyle in the United States. What do you say to this? Like, don't you dare, you know, break apart MAGA loyalty.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah. Well, if we're gonna go down the tribal or identitarian path, my only identity and my only tribe is America. So that's my demand. You have to put this country first. And if you don't, I will send you packing. I mean, that's, that's just the reality. You have to get out. You have to get out of office. You have to get out of power. And you can go get your, you know, sweetheart deal working for Raytheon, you can go get your job talking crap about Nick Fuentes on CNN or whatever. Enjoy that. But the, the graft within the halls of power in Congress, you can no longer be there. We need MTGs, we need Thomas Massey's. We need people that put this country first. And if Donald Trump wants to try and primary those people, then he can get out too. And if J.D. vance wants to defend Trump in that process, well, then he can expect a serious primary challenger. And I hope that he loses. That's how I feel. I mean, we've already been betrayed, so sure, yeah, the Democrats are worse, I'll grant them that. But we're not, we're not accepting better than crap at this point. You know, Right. You have to actually, you're not here to be breadcrumbed. Right. We're looking down the barrel of a $38 trillion national debt gun. And you know this, that's my background is finance. I'm Austrian economist type guy. And let's just be honest, like we're looking at over a trillion in interest annually. We are going to face a fiscal cliff that the GOP is not serious about. And they continue to push foreign countries, particularly Israel first, and it's just not acceptable anymore, particularly given what Israel has done over the past two years. It's been horrific. The young people have paid attention to it. This is also why Larry Olson acquired TikTok to try and stop that deluge. It's not going to stop. The kids are awake. So you can accept them, you can hear their demands and you can actually respond to their demands or you can get the F out. I mean, that's how they feel and I completely agree with them on that. Setting aside Fuentes appreciation for Stalin or his trolling about Hitler, I don't agree with any of that. I'm not one of those people at all. But I love the energy. I love the fact that we have intelligent, engaged, testosterone infused young men that want to get after it. That's what we need to save this country. Let's just be totally honest. Love, women. Men win wars. We need men in this fight. Men have been subdued, they have been beaten down and they are finally rising up. And I say God bless.

[Natalie Morris]

I think the Stalin bit and the Hitler bit. I appreciate that you're refusing to jump on this catnip because he said something that I don't understand why he feels that way. I felt that way about the Stalin part. I'm like, I don't get that. But in my maybe five or so years of having the red pill, I am regularly proven wrong about figures that I thought I had an identity of. McCarthy is one of them. And so maybe there's something I don't know and I can put that aside for now. I'm not going to play into the outrage and throw the baby out with the bathwater. That's how I feel about it. And I really appreciated your take on that. Is like, let's set that aside. Maybe we just. I haven't studied everything about Stalin, so. Okay, let's hold on that one. The rest of it is quite meaningful. One thing that you present is this optimism that the next generation is absolutely gonna take power and throw out the neocons. And I feel scared that that would not happen because of some kind of false flag, that they might be manipulated in a 911 kind of way. Because that seems to be what happens when neocons lose power. I don't know what to do with that fear. What do you think?

[Clint Russell]

Call it out. I mean, do. Do exactly what you're doing. This is my episode last night that dropped was all about how I'm deeply fearful for Charlie Kirk, or, excuse me, for Tucker Carlson, based off of what happened to Charlie Kirk. You know, all of the same things that were happening to Charlie for the last two years, ever since he challenged the. What you're describing, which is a potential false flag. There was no response for like a dozen hours or something crazy. In a nation the size of New Jersey that has probably the most well defended border in the world, next to North Korea, and there's no response. And it's like, do you think that maybe they just wanted to take Gaza and they were willing to sacrifice their people to do so? I know it's a very controversial thing to ask, but Charlie Kirk asked that question, not me. Charlie Kirk asked that question. He was. Was almost thrown out of his own organization as a consequence of that. And those same. Those same knives, those same fangs are out to try and take out Tucker Carlson. What's the tie that binds? Same with mtg. Same with Nick Fuentes. Same with Thomas Massie. Same with Candace Owens. Same with Dave Smith. They put America first and they mean it sincerely.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clint Russell]

And now after what happened to Charlie, I think that you know what you're describing with the false flag, I am super concerned about. So I just want to be very clear about that. But I think really our best line of defense, because I don't trust the FBI, I don't trust the CIA, I don't trust my own government is the handful of commentators out there that I do trust to tell the effing truth about it. That's really our only hope. So that's what I'm trying to do. I'm just trying to get people on guard and make sure that they know if you do anything to Tucker Carlson, you're going to see a backlash in this country the likes of what you've never seen. That's just a fact.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah. The one thing that gives me hope because I very much follow, I follow you on X. Most of the things you say, I'm like, yes, yes to that. Absolutely that question. That person, no, we don't have loyalty to maga for maga's sake. We have loyalty to higher power. Absolutely. This is something I wanted to see Democrats do during the Biden administration and they refused. And so now we can point out and, and I feel sadly sad about this because I don't think Democrats will watch me say this and I wish that they would. Is that, look, this is what it looks like to question your vote and say, no, I wanted this. We collectively don't want war with Iran. Democrats don't want that either. Democrats are willing to question loyalty to Israel for foreign wars. They weren't when they were in power. Join us. We can do this together. Now, why do you think this is not right now a unifying movement? And can it be?

[Clint Russell]

Unfortunately, no, I don't think it can. And I, I share your sentiment and I wish it could be. But the truth is, is that the left by and large has been indoctrinated to the extent that they genuinely perceive someone like me in large part based off of identitarian characteristics. I'm a straight white man. I am the devil by nature. I'm also conservative leaning. I'm libertarian conservative. But so I think that they just completely, there's like a firewall in their brain that, that completely incapacitates them from seeing us as potential ally. And it's, it's very sad because, you know, Donald Trump has done a lot of bad things that the old guard Democrats like, the Democrats that I liked back in the day, Dennis Gusinic or something like that would, would, would be rightfully calling Donald Trump out for, but instead they call him a fascist. For defending the border, not for the fact that he's, you know, handing over corporations to Zionist donors, which is what he did with TikTok. Like that's actual fascism. You're actually using the government to take control over like the most successful social media app over the past decade. And they have nothing to say about it for the most part. I mean it's insane. So I just don't, I just don't see them as an ally. This is why I think that the meaningful fight is on the right. Like that's where it's at right now. And if you're on X, I mean there's basically no discussion with the left at this point. It is the, you know, woke right versus the woke right. The people that call everybody the woke right who actually put Israel first and have an identitarian worldview and actually want to defend an ethno state versus the people that they call the woke right, that want none of those things.

[Natalie Morris]

Things right. I mean, so what does that mean then? What do you think? Barring some kind of false flag manipulation of the next generation, what does it mean to rebuild the house on the right? What does that look like? I'm excited about that. So maybe we can end with this bit of optimism that I, I'm a middle aged woman, I struggle with optimism. It's not in my nature.

[Clint Russell]

I'm a middle aged man and I struggle with optimism. Yeah, I mean I think we just need to go back to our founding. We need to go back to what George Washington prescribed, which is no entangling alliances, putting this country first, recognizing that to have alliances that basically require that we go to war on behalf of foreign nations will bring all of the tribal problems of the rest of the world home. And that's exactly what it's done. We need to listen to our founders on that. James Lindsay and I agree. The problem is he doesn't actually listen to our founders. He doesn't actually listen to what George Washington has to say that we need to stop with the entangling alliances, we need to exit the un, we need to exit NATO, we need to bring our troops home. We need to cut the bases or close the bases entirely. That's what we have to do. We have to stop trying to regime change in Venezuela or regime change in Iran or regime change in the rest of the Middle east or Russia for that matter. The largest nuclear power on earth. We are risking. I mean this is as existential as it gets and nobody even talks about it. It's absolutely madness. That's how we rebuild this country. We embrace Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul. Those are the people who started the America first movement. In my lifetime, we will see their vision brought to reality. That is my mission. That is. I think that's what Nick Fuentes wants to do. I know that's what Dave Smith wants to do. Thomas Massie, mtg, Candace Owens. Those are my people. I will fight with them. Or I will fight for them, I should say. And I will defend them. That is unity under fire. That's how I feel about it right now.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah, it feels a little bit radical, but that's the moment that we're in right now. You have to be fired up. The one bit of optimism I have that maybe is a bit more natural is that we see collectively manipulation in a way we never have before. So the deep state has fewer shadows because there's so much light, because there's so much conversation. So that's why I was really excited to talk to you, because I think that your voice gets that. I think that you are an empowering voice for that. And so I want to stand next to you for that manifesto. So that's why I invited you on Redacted. Thank you so much for offering your time.

[Clint Russell]

I absolutely appreciate you guys Continue to do the great work that you do. And let's make sure we get justice for Charlie Kirk work.

[Natalie Morris]

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