BOMBSHELL EPSTEIN SUBPEONAS INCOMING! New revelations about Epstein's sick mansion emerge | Redacted

Summary

Podcast Summary: Redacted News – Episode: "BOMBSHELL EPSTEIN SUBPEONAS INCOMING! New revelations about Epstein's sick mansion emerge"

Release Date: August 7, 2025

Hosts: Clayton Morris and Natalie Morris

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1. Introduction and Episode Overview (00:00 - 01:46)

In this episode of Redacted News, hosts Clayton and Natalie Morris delve into significant and controversial topics that mainstream media either manipulates or overlooks. The primary discussions focus on the latest subpoenas related to Jeffrey Epstein, President Trump's envoy meeting with President Putin, Christian Zionism, and the mysterious interstellar object 3I-Atlas.

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2. Epstein Subpoenas and Political Implications (02:00 - 19:00)

Key Points:

• The New York Times released an exposé titled "A Look Inside Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan," revealing disturbing images and the extensive network of high-profile individuals connected to Epstein.
• A comprehensive list of subpoenas has been issued to powerful politicians from both parties by the House Oversight Committee, including Bill and Hillary Clinton, Alberto Gonzalez, James Comey, Robert Mueller, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, and Merrick Garland.
• Newly unveiled FBI documents hint that Epstein's 2008 plea deal may have involved providing classified information to the FBI, though details remain undisclosed.

Notable Quotes:

• Clayton Morris [03:56]: "You have the Clintons. You have, you have a pope. You have Richard Branson's there in the back... Has a first edition green edition of Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita."
• Judge Andrew Napolitano [07:11]: "The Supreme Court unanimously ruled they [Congress] can get it [Trump's tax returns]."

Guest Insight:

• Judge Andrew Napolitano elaborates on the effectiveness of the subpoenas, emphasizing that former officials cannot claim immunity or executive privilege when testifying about personal matters unrelated to their official duties. He underscores the potential for transparency but acknowledges the challenges posed by political pressures and the Deep State.

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3. President Trump's Envoy Meeting with Putin and the Ukraine War (20:00 - 37:47)

Key Points:

• President Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, held a three-hour meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, which the White House claims resulted in "major progress."
• The mainstream media labels the ongoing Ukraine conflict as "Trump's war," attributing it to Trump's increased involvement and alleged encouragement by the Deep State and NATO for escalation.

Notable Quotes:

• Steve Witkoff [23:15]: "Obliterating their nuclear haul."
• Alexander Mercurius [25:11]: "The Russians are not telling us extremely little... with their entire objective being to preserve dialogue with the U.S. and Trump personally."

Guest Insight:

• Alexander Mercurius from The Duran provides a sobering analysis, stating that the Russians are unlikely to agree to a ceasefire without addressing their core concerns. He predicts that without a genuine diplomatic shift, the war may continue or escalate, potentially leading to a military victory for Russia and the collapse of Ukraine as a viable state.

Discussion Highlights:

• The conversation touches on Ukraine's desperate recruitment of elderly and disabled individuals, illustrating the severe strain on Ukrainian military resources.
• Clayton expresses skepticism about the White House's portrayal of the envoy's meeting, questioning the authenticity and effectiveness of the "great progress" announced.

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4. Christian Zionism and Its Biblical Foundations (37:00 - 56:49)

Key Points:

• The hosts interview Pastor Douglas Wilson, author of Mere Christendom, to unpack the concept of Christian Zionism.
• Wilson explains that Christian Zionism stems from dispensationalism, which posits a prophetic role for Israel in fulfilling Old Testament prophecies with the modern state of Israel.
• He distinguishes between supporting Israel's right to exist and defend itself versus endorsing the secular Israeli government's specific policies.

Notable Quotes:

• Douglas Wilson [42:59]: "Reformed covenantal theology... holds that the church, the Christian church, is Israel."
• Pastor Wilson [50:01]: "Millions of Christians in North America would talk just like that [supporting Israel]."

Guest Insight:

• Pastor Wilson critiques the syncretism between politics and religion, cautioning against conflating political support for Israel with theological mandates. He advocates for a nuanced understanding that separates genuine biblical support from political expediency or manipulation.

Discussion Highlights:

• The conversation highlights generational differences, noting that younger Christians are increasingly skeptical of political-religious alliances and are more critical of Christian Zionism's implications for foreign policy.
• Wilson emphasizes the importance of establishing a moral society underpinned by Christian principles rather than man-made governments, urging Christians to prioritize their faith over political affiliations.

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5. The Mysterious Interstellar Object 3I-Atlas (57:00 - 99:47)

Key Points:

• The episode covers the interstellar object 3I-Atlas, drawing comparisons to previous objects like Oumuamua and Borisov.
• Ron James from the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) discusses differing scientific opinions on the nature of 3I-Atlas, noting that while many scientists dismiss it as a natural comet, others like Harvard's Avi Loeb propose it could be of extraterrestrial origin due to its unusual characteristics.

Notable Quotes:

• Ron James [64:09]: "NASA is still billing it as a comet. There are some unusual aspects to it, certainly, but there's nothing definitive that could make us say, yes, we support the idea that this is an artificial craft at this time."
• Steve Witkoff [65:59]: "False flag operation is not a likely scenario... If they tell us something's coming, it's going to be because something's coming."

Discussion Highlights:

• Clayton references UFO researcher Jeremy Corbell's warning about a potential government-led misinformation campaign regarding extraterrestrial threats.
• The hosts debate the motivations behind differing scientific and governmental statements, suggesting possible cover-ups or agendas to influence public perception and policy.
• They explore the broader implications of such phenomena on global security, energy policies (e.g., helium-3 mining on the Moon), and the secret space program, interlinking these topics with past government secrecy and technological advancements.

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6. Final Thoughts and Upcoming Topics (99:00 - End)

As the episode concludes, Clayton and Natalie reflect on the myriad of topics covered, emphasizing the importance of questioning official narratives and seeking the truth behind governmental actions. They tease upcoming discussions on Christian Zionism, further UFO revelations, and the intertwining of politics and religion in shaping global events.

Closing Highlights:

• Encouragement for listeners to engage critically with information and remain vigilant against propaganda.
• Hints at future episodes exploring deeper into paranormal phenomena and government transparency issues.

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Conclusion:

This episode of Redacted News offers a comprehensive exploration of high-stakes political maneuvers surrounding Jeffrey Epstein's network, the ongoing Ukraine conflict influenced by U.S.-Russia relations, the theological underpinnings and political ramifications of Christian Zionism, and the enigmatic interstellar object 3I-Atlas amidst burgeoning UFO disclosures. Through expert interviews and incisive discussions, Clayton and Natalie Morris challenge listeners to question mainstream narratives and seek deeper truths behind powerful institutions and unexplained phenomena.

Transcript

[Natalie Morris]

Welcome everybody. To redacted. We're so glad you're here. It's Wednesday, August 6th. We have a big show to get to. I'm Natalie Morris.

[Clayton Morris]

And I'm Clayton Morris.

[Natalie Morris]

This is the show where we cover the stories the mainstream media either manipulates outright or largely ignores. And we have a lot to talk about today. We're gonna talk about whether or not these new Epstein subpoenas have any teeth or not. Does this mean we'll actually get answers? I know you're gonna get excited again. Hold your breath, hold your breath for a second.

[Clayton Morris]

And then President Trump sending his envoy, his special envoy, Steve Witkoff meeting with President Putin of Russia about three hours. They say major progress was made. The mainstream media though, if you read CNN headlines and others are saying this is now Trump's war. And of course the Deep State is actively pushing him to want to go face to face with Russia in a war. NATO certainly wants that. So who will win? Will the Deep State win or will cooler heads prevail? We're going to talk to Alexander Mercurius from the Duran on that today.

[Natalie Morris]

Also, why did Congress use their summer break to go to Israel and pledge allegiance to Israel? Why these images? Well, we're going to talk to someone I've been really keen to, to Douglas Wilson is the author of Mere Christendom and a Christian pastor who warns about these man made governments. And he's going to explain to us what is Christian Zionism and whether or not it is actually biblical.

[Clayton Morris]

Right. We're also going to look at Three Eye Atlas, of course, this large object, this interstellar object. You have a number of scientists and physicists coming out saying that this is simply a comet. It's just interstellar debris. It's just that's all it is nothing to see here. Then you have other scientists like Harvard scientist Avi Loeb saying that no, there's no tail on this thing, that this is not a comet, this could be extraterrestrial. So what exactly is this thing? We're going to talk about it a little bit later in today's show.

[Natalie Morris]

Yes, we are. Shall we get to the do we have our guest in about Epstein?

[Clayton Morris]

Well, let's find out if we got that, but I want to go ahead. Okay. Yeah, I just want to say hello to everyone. Let us know where you're joining us from here in the chat room. We're trying some new chat functionalities out here on the show. We're going to hopefully be able to get a whole new interface up here on the Screen for you here at Redacted. We're trying a bunch of stuff out here. That's something I've been wanting to do for like a, a year or more, is to be able to do that. So the team is behind the scenes working today, testing some things. So anyway, let us know where you're joining us from. Let us know where you're subscribed from. Thank you guys so much for being a part of our show here every day. We are not funded by big tech. We're not funded by Palantir, Big Pharma, the Israel lobby, any of it. We are supported by you. So thank you guys for joining us. All right, well, the New York Times, America's most trusted name in news, just dropped a new piece about Epstein's lair. A look inside Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan. And this is normal. Look at this. On your screen, when you walk into the atrium of his house, there's a bride like this bride on a rope rappelling down. Would you allow me to put this in our house?

[Natalie Morris]

No, like when you walk in the house. I think so. But if you watched the Daryl Cooper interview with Tucker Carlson, they talked very much about how these societies really had a thing for either recently pubescent or post pubescent children because it symbolizes breaking down innocence. It symbolizes you exerting your power and breaking someone else's innocence. Now, if we could just look at that picture again. That comports, wouldn't you say?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. Oh, it's going to get worse than this, by the way. It's going to get worse. I mean, you had a bride on a string in Epstein's lair. But then inside the massive room, you have the rooms, the gathering areas. Yes. All the cameras that are watching every movement throughout the mansion. Piles of photos everywhere, which is not terribly odd. Except obviously, who's in the photos. You have the Clintons. You have, you have a pope. You have Richard Branson's there in the back. Richard Branson. There's Steve Bannon up there at the top. You have Elon Musk in some of the photos. You have Ghislaine Maxwell, of course, you have a whole host of individuals in there. I didn't see Donald Trump in any of those particular photos, do I? Where?

[Natalie Morris]

Look at that. Right.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, right there on the front. Oh, there. There it is. Okay. There was a glare. There was a glare there in Melania. Right there. So everyone's there, all of them. In this photo. He also. This is creepy. Has a first edition green edition of Vladimir Nabokov's. Lolita book. You know the novel about an adult who repeatedly rapes a 12 year old girl? Yeah, he just has that in his. Just sitting out there in the open in his house next to a giant stuffed tiger, which is totally normal. In his bedrooms. They were filled with lubricant, just like the Diddy parties. Cameras in almost every corner of the room. If you notice in this photo here in the upper right hand corner. Yep. Photos. There you can see the cameras capturing everything in all of these different bedrooms. Meanwhile, subpoenas just dropped many powerful politicians from both parties subpoenaed by the House Oversight Committee to testify about their ties to Jeffrey Epstein, including Bill and Hillary Clinton on this list. Also subpoenaed on this list, Alberto Gonzalez, Attorney General under George W. Bush. Here it is. Here's the full list. You can see former FBI Director James Comey, Robert Mueller, former Attorney General Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Merrick Garland. Each of these officials likely had access to Epstein related intelligence or played a role giving him a pass at the time. On top of that, newly revealed FBI documents revealed that Epstein's 2008 plea deal included a provision for him to provide information to the FBI as agreed upon. What does that mean? What was that information? What exactly does that mean? It remains classified. Well, wouldn't Cash. I thought we were promised transparency. Cash Patel, Dan Bongino. Like, when are we going to see this information? Pam Bondi. There's no one I'd rather talk to about all of this. And good friend of the show, Judge Andrew Napolitano, host of Judging Freedom and our good friend who can make sense of these subpoenas. Will any of these people actually talk? Who knows? Judge, great to see you. Welcome back to the show, my friend.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

Oh, guys, it's a pleasure to be on with both of you. Thank you very much. And Natalie and I are going to be together next week without you. Did you know that?

[Clayton Morris]

Apparently I heard about this. You'll be at the Ron Paul Institute giving a speech together, Is that right?

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

500 people there. We're actually doing a judging Freedom from there on the dais with the regulars who will be accompanying Natalie as a speaker. But I'm staying until the end because I want to hear what Natalie has to say.

[Natalie Morris]

Oh, thank you so much. Now, just to be clear, Clayton was invited too, and we decided we would flip flop. So Clayton will go to the next one because we still have three kids.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, someone's got to hold down the fort as it were.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

Great gatherings of serious small government, maximum individual liberty, pro peace People, as you'd expect at a Ron Paul gathering.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, I can't wait to hear about. I can't wait to watch it and listen in as well. So speaking of government transparency and getting to the bottom of matters, you saw all these subpoenas drop, Judge, for all of these different high ranking members, formerly Clinton administration officials and obviously Biden administration, a whole laundry list of individuals. What do these subpoenas actually do and will they have any teeth at all?

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

Well, the subpoenas to the human beings, which are to the last six attorneys general of the United States, at least those that were confirmed by the Senate going back to Alberto Gonzalez under President George W. Bush, ask for testimony, they don't ask for documents. Now, we don't know what the, the precise questions will be. We don't know if the committee will have the Epstein file before they begin these interrogations. The first interrogation is of former Attorney General Bill Barr, who was the Attorney General of the United States at the time that Epstein was indicted, arrested, and then died in his jail cell. The main subpoena that has interested all of us is the one to the Justice Department, which commands the full file with only the names of victims redacted. Now, this has to be causing the White House and Attorney General Bondi serious headaches because she has said there's material in there she hasn't said what it is that will never see the light of day. Question, can Congress get whatever it wants? Short answer, yes. Longer answer. When the Democratic Congress subpoenaed from the IRS the tax returns of Mr. Donald Trump in the years before he was president, something in which Congress could have no bona fide interest with respect to public policy, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled they can get it. Congress can subpoena whatever he want, whatever it wants. So can the DOJ not comply with the subpoena? It may try, but it will lose. Can Bill Clinton, who was subpoenaed, assert immunity? Absolutely not. None of what they're going to ask him about had anything to do with his official work as President of the United States. Can he assert executive privilege? Absolutely not. Can he assert the Fifth Amendment? Clayton and Natalie, could you imagine a former President of the United States of America being asked under oath on international television about his personal behavior on the island of a convicted pedophile and taking the Fifth. Wow.

[Natalie Morris]

This is Bill Clinton, though, who we have seen been asked about cigars and blue dresses.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, but he answered those questions.

[Natalie Morris]

We don't have to imagine him being asked about salacious things.

[Clayton Morris]

Did he plead the Fifth, though? I don't remember him when he answered those. He went like we needed to answer what the definition of is is. Back with Monica Lewinsky. Right.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

That definition of is is line comes from his public interrogation before a grand jury. He did not assert the Fifth. He answered everything. He then pleaded guilty to some very, very minor offense for which there was no significant sentence at all. But he did not plead the Fifth.

[Natalie Morris]

Now, however.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

However, that concrete. Oh, the.

[Alexander Mercurius]

The.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

The. The interaction with Monica Lewinsky, as highly inappropriate as it was, was not criminal. The only crime there would have been if he. If he lied about it, if he had any interaction with underage women. Obviously that would be criminal if he was aware of interactions, Sexual interaction with underage women and did nothing about it. The failure to do anything is not criminal, but it would be highly damaging to whatever legacy he has remaining if he knew about it and did nothing.

[Natalie Morris]

Now, it seems with this subpoena, they're trying to stitch together a thread of attorneys general who would have had access to knowledge for why Epstein was given this sweetheart deal. Is it possible that it never came across the desk of anyone during the Obama years and it was only a Republican president who picked it up again? Or what do you think, for instance, Loretta Lynn and Eric Holder would know? Not. Not that they would tell us the truth, but if they did, what do you think they would know?

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

I would be surprised if these files came before their. Their. Their eyes. Now, a Congressman Comer does not need any advice from me, but if he were to ask me for advice, I would say subpoena Alex Acosta. Alex was U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida, covering Palm beach, where Jeffrey Epstein lived and Donald Trump lives. And I would ask him, you have been reported or reputed to have said that you went easy in the plea negotiations negotiated in Epstein's behalf by Professor Alan Dershowitz, because you were told Epstein was Intel. Who told you that? And what did you do to confirm if Epstein was Intel? And why did you believe what you were told? Now, these are the questions I would put to former U.S. attorney Alex Acosta and former Secretary of Labor in the first Trump administration. Alex Acosta, as far as we know, he has not yet been subpoenaed.

[Clayton Morris]

There's a couple of people notably absent from these subpoenas. Les Wexner, which I can't believe, by the way. They never even talked to him, which is still stunning to me. The doj, former Victoria's Secret CEO Epstein.

[Natalie Morris]

Chief benefactor, who just bought the Obama's Martha's Vineyard house. This feels like you can't even make this up. How is he in these circles?

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

I was just on. This is my home run day. I was just on with the great George Galloway, and George told me on air, on international air, that the Obamas. That Wexler brought the Obamas home. You can't. You can't make this up.

[Clayton Morris]

No. And then recently, I guess you can even cover up who's doing the work for whom here. Yeah. And the deaths on that property, like the chef that suddenly. That's a whole other story. But Ehu Barak, also not on this list. Leon Black, Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

I mean, they have to. This is no criticism of Professor Dershowitz, who is a brilliant criminal defense lawyer, but they have to interrogate him. Look, one of the issues before the Supreme Court of the United States is Ghislaine Maxwell's appeal of her conviction. And the basis for the appeal is that the deal that Dershowitz negotiated for Epstein covered her and was an agreement not to prosecute. Now, that argument was rejected by the trial judge and rejected by an appellate court, but she is asking the Supreme Court to take that up. I would think that Professor Dershowitz would be able to lend a lot of light, shine a lot of light on that.

[Clayton Morris]

I want to ask you this before we let you go, Judge, which is the Times of Israel. I can't believe this story. When I saw it, I immediately bookmarked it. I said this. Got it. The Times of Israel is literally saying that the Epstein files are coming out because basically, Trump broke up with Israel. It's like, now it's kind of turning his back. First of all, I've seen no evidence that Trump is turning his back on Israel at all. Of course. I mean, I think Bibi was just there, like, two weeks ago, for crying out loud. But anyway, what do you make of this Times of Israel story?

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

This is the first I've heard of it. And as far as I know, Trump is still giving Israel everything it wants, which allows it to continue its genocide and its genocide by starvation. Trump could stop all of it with a phone call, because without the United States, Israel wouldn't have any rounds at which to shoot and murder innocent Palestinians waiting on line for food right now.

[Natalie Morris]

I do have one more question. So what do you make of the Trump administration making so many empty promises about Epstein and then fumbling this so clearly and then telling us to disbelieve our own eyes? Why do you think that we are being insulted in this way when we promise transparency?

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

Natalie, I wish you could ask that question to Dan Bongino, who said that his stomach has been turned, meaning he has a lot of acid in his belly, over what he saw in the files and over his inability to say what he saw. I guess it's to protect the President. I mean, why? Why else would they not reveal it? Now look, how damning could this be of the president? If it were truly damning, you would think the Biden people would have leaked it during the campaign to help Kamala Harris. So maybe nobody knows what's in there, who hasn't seen it. Maybe Trump doesn't know. Maybe this Israeli newspaper report is just the wildest of speculation. I wish I could give you a better answer than that, Natalie, but I don't know.

[Clayton Morris]

I would love to think that Dan Bongino, if he saw his idol, Donald Trump, was in here and implicated in that way, that he would have the type of soul that would compel him to quit the FBI and go right back to a radio show and tell all of us what he saw. Yeah, I think it might be just so messy with so many billionaires and bankers and funders and donors that are all involved and everyone's hands are so dirty in this.

[Natalie Morris]

This doesn't answer. What defies logic is President Trump would have known. He knows what he did. Somebody knows what he did with Epstein, and that's Trump. So why would he have made these promises and then allowed his people to say things that would end up not holding up in the span of just months, weeks? It just doesn't make any sense. This bad line.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

The MAGA people have put so much pressure on Republicans in Congress. You would think the Democrats would have subpoenaed these files. This is an enormous headache for the doj, an enormous headache for the White House to. But the Republicans have done it. Why? Because they want to keep their jobs and they don't want to go back to the voters in 2026 with MAGA furious at them. The real question is, and Natalie, you put your finger on it, why did Trump join this bandwagon if he knew? If he knew that his name was in there in a less than favorable light.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, maybe just in order to get elected, I don't know. And then he could squash it later. I mean, we heard a lot of people making promises, Obama making anti war promises, and he comes in and becomes one of the leading war, war criminal presidents of all time. So people make a lot of promises when they're running for office. Right. Judge. Judge, great to see you. Thank you, Natalie.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

Next year My friend Alexander about to come up. I don't know if he can hear us, but give him my best.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, yeah. Alexander Mercurius from the Duran will be joining us here. And Judge, always great to see you. Have fun there with the team and everyone from the Ron Paul Institute. Looking forward to watching that. Thanks, Judge.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

Natalie, see you next week without.

[Clayton Morris]

See you soon. Okay, bye.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

Bye.

[Natalie Morris]

Party time.

[Clayton Morris]

Thanks, Judge.

[Natalie Morris]

Honey, I'm going to a libertarian concert without you.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, a libertarian concert.

[Natalie Morris]

I'm not going to be on any Coldplay cams, just so you know.

[Clayton Morris]

Thankfully, no, I wouldn't see that. All right. Hey, coming up here on the show, we're going to be talking about Zelensky saying no to a temporary cease fire. But also President Trump's envoy, Steve Witkoff just got done with a three hour meeting with with President Putin. What did they talk about? The White House says that this was much progress was made. Is that the truth? We're going to get to the heart of all of that. We're going to talk about that in a second. But first, every day we are exposed to more chemicals. Our bodies are inundated with it, where it's spraying on our skies with chemtrails leaching into our food, polluting our air and water. Pesticides, heavy metals, hormone disruptors, synthetic additives. These toxins are bombarding our bodies, silently destroying our health. But there is something we can do to fight back. And it starts in your gut and our friends at Kim Chi Won from Bright Core Nutrition. It contains over 900 strains of beneficial probiotics that help flush toxins, restore gut balance and support our immune system. When your gut is strong, your body can resist. You'll feel the difference. In fact, they've even linked like Alzheimer's, right? Like an imbalance in your gut.

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[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

It is not Clayton's childhood number.

[Clayton Morris]

50? No, that's not my childhood number. But the last four digits are right?

[Natalie Morris]

The way you just said it made it seem like they were going to call 1985 Clayton.

[Clayton Morris]

That would be awesome. Let me know what 1985 Clayton would talk about. It's kind of funny. We don't even know our own phone numbers now because of smartphones. It's like, you know, kind of crazy. All right, well, Ukraine is now Trump's war. These are the words. Those aren't my words. Those are the words of mainstream media. Media, garbage media. Pushing Trump to escalate the war against Russia. NATO and the deep state would love nothing more than for Trump to launch World War Three against Russia. Go all in on NATO's proxy war. But Trump was asked this question by journalist Liam Cosgrove from Zero Hedge. He said, why should Americans continue to fund this proxy war when almost all of Ukraine's army has been eliminated? Now they're conscripting 60 year old, 14 year olds. Even people down syndrome. Watch his response. Thank you. Calling on me. Thank you, Mr. President. On Ukraine, President Zelensky just signed a law allowing for citizens age 60 and above to serve in the military. We've seen dozens of videos of young men being hauled into vans and dragged to the front lines against their will. And we've even seen videos of a young man with down syndromes serving on the front line. You, when you campaigned, you said you wanted to see the people stop dying. A lot of people admired that statement. Now the people dying are elderly, mentally handicapped and conscripts. So even if a cease fire doesn't work out, why should Americans continue to fund a foreign military that's scraping the bottom of the barrel of its population like this? Well, you have to understand, very importantly, this is Biden's war. This is not my war.

[Steve Witkoff]

I'm here to get us out of it.

[Clayton Morris]

It's a mess. And I'm here to get us out. I haven't heard that when you say about 60 year old men and you know, etc. But this is Biden's war and we're working very hard to get us out. I stopped five wars in the last five months, actually, and I'd like this to be the sixth, frankly. And that doesn't even include Iran, which.

[Steve Witkoff]

You know, obliterating their, their nuclear haul.

[Clayton Morris]

Because they would have had nuclear weapons within two months, but stopped a lot of wars. So five wars in five months, he stopped. Okay. Is that true? And by the way, if you're questioning whether or not, because a lot of people are like slamming Liam Cosgrove online, like there's no, you know, people down syndrome being thrown into the, the meat grinder, so to speak, by the Ukrainians. Yeah, there are. I mean, take a look, here's just one example. This of course, individual with down syndrome and then also being mocked and pushed into the front lines by Ukrainian soldiers. So absolutely horrible stuff. And it's actually kind of interesting, right when the President says, I hadn't heard that about the 60 year olds, like who, who's the gatekeeper that keeps this information from President Trump? Like it's, you know, in our world, it was like top of mind, like 60 year olds now being brought into the Ukrainian military. 14 year olds now as part of training. Okay. Probably because they don't talk about it on Fox News. Right? Exactly. So if it's not on Fox News, I guess it doesn't exist. Well, this was meanwhile Steve Witkoff. This was on Fox News, actually. Trump's special envoy just spent three hours meeting with Putin. So how did it go? Well, President Trump issued this response. My special envoy, Witkoff just had a highly productive meeting with President Putin. Great progress was made. Is that true? Great progress was made. Is that true or is that just spin? Someone who doesn't spin anything is Alexander Mercurius from the Duran, good friend of the show, very smart individual. He's not into spinning things. Alexander, great to see you. Welcome back to the show and absolutely.

[Alexander Mercurius]

Delighted to be here again.

[Clayton Morris]

So when you look at this and thank you so much for being here, when you look at this meeting with Witkoff, you've read the readout at least on the Russian side of things and how it went with the Russian side. The White House saying great progress was made. Alexander, in 24 hours, are we gonna be celebrating a ceasefire and peace in Ukraine or is this just more Spin.

[Alexander Mercurius]

Well, the Russians are not telling us extremely little, and they're making it very clear that nothing has been agreed. So we don't have a ceasefire, and we're not going to have a ceasefire with the next within the next 24 hours, and we shouldn't expect one. What the Russians have been trying to do right from the moment that Trump became president is to establish and maintain and preserve a dialogue with the United States and with him personally. That seems to me, their entire objective here, and that's, I think, all that they have agreed to up to now. Now, there are people in the United States who perhaps want to hope that more has been agreed than that. There's stories that a summit meeting between Trump and Putin might be about to be prepared and might happen as soon as next week, that Trump wants that, that he's going to try and bring Zelensky along as well. There's no word of any of this from Moscow.

[Clayton Morris]

Now, you and I were both hopeful, I think, that when Donald Trump got in, he's promising, you know, within 24 hours this would all stop. It's well past 100 days in office now. The mainstream media is now labeling this Trump's war. Forget Biden, this is now Trump's war. He had an opportunity to end it. NATO is doubling down. We're sending weapons, we're sending more money and munitions and everything else to NATO to continue this forever. It seems like it's going to be a forever, a proxy war. Where do you think things stand right now? Will we see an end to this war in the next year or in the next few months?

[Alexander Mercurius]

Well, I think you've described the situation extremely well. I think there were a lot of expectations, a lot of hopes when Donald Trump came in that he would, if he didn't end the war itself, he would at least end America's involvement in the war. He'd spoken out very critically against it. It looked as if that was what his political base was expecting. And I think a lot of people were expecting that he would try to distance the United States from the war. Instead, what he did was that he sought not to end the conflict, the war, but basically to freeze it, to try to get the Russians, who are winning the war, to stop. And the Russians are saying, no, we're not going to stop, because if we just stop in the way that you want us to, then the war hasn't really ended, and all of the problems that brought it about are still there, and we are going to see the war return. And Trump has never at any time up to now addressed that he's never come to terms with this Russian concern. And the result is that the war has continued and gradually, inexorably, inevitably, it has become his war. And we're back basically to seeing a lot of him, him doing a lot of the very same things that his predecessor, Joe Biden, used to do and which he used to criticize. So unless there's a sudden change on Trump's part, unless Trump decides that he's going to start taking these Russian concerns which led to the war seriously, then I don't really see how the war can stop until we get a military out, which, by the way, is what a lot of people in Russia would prefer to see.

[Clayton Morris]

So I want to ask you about the military side of this, something you know very well, the strategy, tactics, and what's going to happen now. Like, it's August. I just checked the forecast for Kharkiv in Ukraine, and it is quite warm, you know, 80 degrees today, overnight, 57 degrees. But as you know, these nights are going to start to get colder very fast in Ukraine and things. The lack of soldiers on the front line for Ukraine is going to be a light shined on that very brightly very, very soon. As we head into this frozen winter with supplies and everything else and a lack of soldiers militarily, what do you see happening as we head into the fall?

[Alexander Mercurius]

Well, can I just turn to that topic that you discussed before, about the fact that Ukraine is now recruiting old men and, and very young people and people with, you know, disabilities, which they are. They absolutely are. The reason they are obliged to do that is because three and a half years of relentless attrition, which is what this war has been, the Russians have waged this war as a war of attrition, is now having. Is now having its effect. Ukraine is running out of soldiers. It is unable to hold the entire front line. It's unable to conduct offensives anymore or counterattacks. It's running short of weapons and supplies. It simply can't hold its positions for very, very much longer. And everybody who has been following the war closely understands this. And it's concerning that President Trump says that he doesn't, given that he's the president of the United States and the main decision maker. So what that means is we're in August. We've still got several months of fighting weather, if you like, until the autumn when the rains begin and everything turns to. The conditions become very muddy and it's very difficult to move. So we got several months until mid October. The Russians are now battering against Ukraine's major defense lines. These are a line of towns in western Donbass that they have now reached. If they break through this line in that time, and most people feel that they probably will, then they've broken through the main Ukrainian defense lines. And at that point the situation for Ukraine will become a situation of crisis. It will be the question there will be whether Ukraine will be able to continue to hold positions west of the Dnieper River. If the Russians reach the Dnieper by say, mid winter, then the war, in my opinion, is over because Ukraine would cease to be a viable state. If the Russians were at the Dnieper, which is the center of Ukraine, right in the middle of its main remaining industrial and urban areas, it would not be able to sustain the, the battle beyond that. So that is how close we are to a decision in the war.

[Clayton Morris]

I mean, I'm not being hyperbolic here, but when you said that it's over for Ukraine if they break through, I mean, I got chills.

[Alexander Mercurius]

Yes.

[Clayton Morris]

Because to me it seems inevitable. I think anyone who's been watching this, like you, for a number of years now, it seems inevitable. Unless of course, there is some sort of variable involved, which is NATO. How do you see, do you see NATO allowing this to happen, allowing Ukraine to fall in this way, Russia to advance through those towns up to the Dnieper?

[Alexander Mercurius]

There is an enormous amount of secret panic here. I mean, not particularly secret, just under the surface, because of course, the own. The whole question now is finding some means to stop the Russians doing those things. Because you're absolutely right, the Russians will achieve this. It may take them a bit longer than I expect, or it may take them less time than I expect. But they will break through these defense lines. They will reach the Dnieper. NATO understands how dangerous for Ukraine that is and what a crisis that would be, not just for Ukraine, but for NATO, for the whole position of the west in Europe. So what do they do? They have various options. One is to persuade the Russians to stop and to agree to some kind of ceasefire. The Russians have said yes, but they set out their terms. And the problem is that the west, up till now, the United States, Donald Trump, has not been prepared to accept those terms. The second is to try to turn the tide, to give Ukraine more weapons, to escalate the war itself, to launch attacks against Russia with long range missiles. I don't think anybody who's followed the situation closely thinks that can work either. Then there's the attempt that we've been seeing play out over the last few weeks. Donald Trump's attempts to try to intimidate Russia's trading partners, India, China, Brazil, the BRICS states, to stop trading with Russia. The assumption is that then the Russian economy will collapse and that will force the Russians to stop. I think that is wrong at multiple levels. First of all, I don't think these countries are going to play along in that way. Secondly, even if they did, I think that misunderstands certain facts about the Russian economy which it will take a long time to explain here. I think it would not be enough to stop the Russians. The last thing in that case would be to try intervene militarily. That would bring us straight into World War three. There is no appetite for that in Europe. I don't think there is any appetite for that of the people in the United States either. There are a few very, very troubled and dangerous people, unfortunately, positions of power who might want it. My own view is that in the end it won't happen. So the only question then is, can we find a diplomatic solution to end the war which will preserve Ukraine, or will we instead get a military one in which the Russians will have won and there will be nothing of Ukraine left?

[Clayton Morris]

As a friend of the show, Colonel Douglas MacGregor likes to say, make peace now, you fools, because the alternative is absolutely devastating.

[Alexander Mercurius]

He's absolutely.

[Clayton Morris]

Ukraine.

[Alexander Mercurius]

Yeah, he's absolutely right. He's got it exactly right. By the way, I don't know whether he's told you this, but he's quoting a very, very famous German general, Marshall Rundstedt, who said this, those very same words to a key official at Hitler's headquarters. In July 1944, after the Allies landed in Normandy, Rundstedt said to this general, you know, can you let me do this? Can you let me do that? And the person from Hitler's headquarters said, no, no, you can't do any of these things, but what can we do? And Runstead said, make peace, you fools. What else can you do? And of course, they didn't listen to that advice. And Douglas MacGregor, who's a brilliant historian of military history, far better than me, well, he can describe to you what the outcome of that was.

[Clayton Morris]

Right? They didn't. We had the destruction of Europe as a result. Alexander, great to see you as always. Thank you so much. Sobering, sobering assessment of what's going on there. Make peace now, you fools. Alexander, thank you so much. Check everything out at the duran.com, his daily broadcast there, and the Great team from the Duran. Thanks as always, Alexander.

[Alexander Mercurius]

Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Clayton Morris]

God bless. Thank you.

[Natalie Morris]

All right. He was fantastic. Coming up, we're going to talk to Pastor Douglas Wilson about what is Christian Zionism and what is it mean when these politicians say we're Christian? That's why we support Israel. I've been really keen to speak to him, so we're going to get to that shortly. But first, we want to remind you that Redacted is brought to you by Bio Optimizers. Are you tired of feeling tired? Do you always hit snooze when your alarm goes off? Well, there's a lot of things that can be handled by supplement. Supplementing your diet with magnesium. Magnesium Breakthrough has seven different types of essential magnesium. And in fact, I took my son to the pediatrician recently and since he suffers migraines, she asked me, what type of magnesium does he take? And I told her about this one. She looked in the ingredients and she said, that's amazing because yes, he needs a very varied types of magnesium in order to treat him. And he takes this every day. In fact, all of us do. So imagine having the strength and energy to get out of bed every morning and face the day boldly. Magnesium can help you with pretty much every health function, so check it out for yourself. For an exclusive offer, go to buyoptimizers.com redacted use the code redacted during checkout to save 15 and if you subscribe, not only will you get amazing discounts and free gifts, you'll make sure your monthly supply is guaranteed. So again, use the code redacted when you head on over to buyoptimizers.com redacted Save15 at checkout and make sure you subscribe and tell them redacted. Sent you by optimizers.com redacted well, my next guest says that Christians should put their faith in no man made government and has been critical of neoconservative foreign policy and very skeptical of this Israel as a sacred cow rhetoric. His book Mere Christendom is one of the most, I want to call it the most erudite arguments for Christianity that I've ever read. It pushed me, which is why I've been really looking forward to speaking with Douglas Wilson for a long time now. We are in a time when most politicians tell us that we have to support Israel because of the Bible and I would like to understand how people of faith interpret that into an excuse for war. He warned about politicians putting themselves and their politics over God and the Bible. Now this week, many self professed Christians visited Israel and told us they have to support Israel because the Bible says so. So recently Ted Cruz told Tucker Carlson this. And Tucker asked him, is the Israel in the Bible the same as this man run government? And here is how Ted Cruz fumbled that ball.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

Growing up in Sunday school, I was.

[Clayton Morris]

Taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed. And from my perspective, I want to be on the blessing side of things, of those who bless the government of Israel. Those who bless Israel is what it says, doesn't say the government of. It says the nation of Israel. So that's in the Bible.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

As a Christian, I believe that.

[Clayton Morris]

Where is that? I can find it to you. I don't have the scripture off the tip of mine. You pull out the phone and use the. It's in Genesis. But. So you're quoting a Bible phrase, you don't have context for it and you don't know where in the Bible it is. But that's like your theology. I'm confused. What does that even mean? Tucker, I'm a Christian. I want to know what you're talking about. Where does my support for Israel come from? Number one, because biblically we are commanded to support Israel. But number two, hold on, hold on. You're a senator and now you're throwing out theology. And I am a Christian and I am allowed to weigh in on this. We are commanded as Christians to support the government of Israel. We are commanded to support Israel and we're. What does that mean? Israel. We're told those who bless Israel will be blessed. But hold on. Define Israel.

[Steve Witkoff]

This is important.

[Clayton Morris]

Are you kidding? This is a majority Christian country. Define Israel.

[Judge Andrew Napolitano]

Could.

[Clayton Morris]

Do you not know what Israel is? That would be the country you've asked like 49 questions about. So that's what Genesis, that's what God is talking about, the nation of Israel.

[Alexander Mercurius]

Yes.

[Clayton Morris]

And he's. So does that the current borders, the current leadership. He's talking about the political entity called Israel.

[Natalie Morris]

Okay. Now, Pastor Wilson, I'm very excited to meet you. Thank you so much for coming on Redacted. I want to see if I understood your book correctly. So I have a few questions and if you'll forgive me, I'm going to keep talking before I hand it over to you. As I understand your writings, you warn that a moral society requires Christianity because if there's no God above the state, the state becomes the God and we are then a slave to the state. So it feels to me like politicians are playing out their will in the name of God. And I think that from my observation, there are two categories of Christian Zionists. The ones that sort of blindly follow Trump and those who believe that there's a biblical mandate to support Israel because of the Bible. You call this a syncretism? I've never heard this word before, so I put up the definition. It's the blending of two belief systems, like politics and religion. So can we please deal with that in this order? And now I will let you talk and again, say how happy I am to talk to you, and maybe you can tell us what is Christian Zionist and is it, in fact, biblical? Oh, you're muted. Is he muted on purpose, guys?

[Clayton Morris]

There we go. There we go.

[Natalie Morris]

Yep, Gotcha.

[Douglas Wilson]

Good to be with you. It's Christian. Zionism is a particular theological construct that grows out of dispensationalism. Dispensationalism teaches that there is a prophetic role still to be played by Israel as an ethnic entity. Right? So dispensationalists regard the. The. The founding of Israel in 1948 as resetting the prophetic clock, so that a lot of the prophecies that are contained in the Old Testament will now start coming true now that Israel has returned to the land. Okay? So they believe. They believe that Israel had a right to return to that territory simply because they were Jews, okay? So God promised Abraham that territory, and so the Jews had the right to go back to that territory. So that's a theological argument for the Israelis to have that territory. But I want to make a distinction between Christian Zionism or any form of Zionism, actually, and the de facto reality of Israel there now. And the way I. The way I illustrate that is I don't agree with the 19th century doctrine of manifest destiny at all, right? The idea that the United States was inevitably going to march toward the Pacific Ocean, the continent was ours by right.

[Clayton Morris]

Every.

[Douglas Wilson]

Everybody with eyes in their head could see that this was our manifest destiny. So I don't agree with that doctrine at all. But I live in Idaho, right? So my de facto presence in Idaho is I'm here because somebody 150 years ago believed in manifest Destiny, even though I don't.

[Clayton Morris]

Right.

[Natalie Morris]

You didn't do it.

[Douglas Wilson]

I didn't do it.

[Natalie Morris]

And here I am, live with the consequences of former governments. That's why we live in these places. We can't be blamed for that.

[Douglas Wilson]

So someone could say, and I find myself in this position, I'm not a Christian Zionist at all. Because reformed covenantal theology which I adhere to, holds that the church, the Christian church, is Israel. Now, this is disparaged sometimes, it's sometimes called replacement theology, but it's the idea that the church is the heir of all the promises of the Old Testament and the New Testament has a great controversy. Do you have to become a Jew in order to become a Christian? The Jerusalem council in Acts 15 said, no, you don't, which opened the door wide to gentiles coming into the new commonwealth of Israel. Now, over time, the new Israel became predominantly gentile. And those Jews who believed in Christ as the Messiah were gradually assimilated into this new, heavily gentile church. And the Jews who retained their Jewish identity did so by maintaining stiff resistance against believing Jesus as the Messiah. In the 19th century, this belief, this dispensational theology developed. And actually the Balfour Declaration, which is. Which was Lord Balfour of the. Of the United Kingdom made this declaration in a letter to a Jewish emissary. And he basically created the idea of Jews returning to their homeland, to their ancient homeland. So that's. But in the Bible, you always have Jews returning to the Lord first and then to the land. And the modern state of Israel is secular. It's not a religious state, it's a secular state. And that creates all kinds of interesting challenges. And they've got the ultra Orthodox Jews there in Israel who are. They have the swing vote in many elections because that's what the parliamentary system does. So they have a lot of outsized influence, but the state itself is a secular state, and that puts an interesting spin on everything. So someone might support the right of Israel to defend itself, which I do, without dragging the promise to Abraham into it.

[Natalie Morris]

Right. And so it seems like that they have a type of syncretism, if I say that word right, that we have, which is this confusion that your politicians are representing your religion. You warn about this, people who see politicians as Jesus or as their religion. And I brought this clip from your book. You said, if you have a flag with Jesus on it and Jesus is wearing a MAGA hat, then you're guilty of this syncretism. You need to topple these deities. And so it's a lot like what's happening here is that people just have this blind allegiance to Trump, and so they will support the war if he says so. The same that happens when I saw the clip of.

[Douglas Wilson]

Looking at the clip of Mike Johnson that he showed and Ted Cruz. It's just very clear that they grew up in a dispensational context where they simply say support for Israel is biblically mandated. Well, in every Israeli election, half of the Israeli population doesn't support Israel.

[Natalie Morris]

Right.

[Douglas Wilson]

They're, they're divided just like we are. And a lot of the people. So you, this is one of the places where I thought that Tucker was playing hardball and a little unfair with Cruz because Cruz was wanting to say you support Israel and Tucker was saying you have to support the government of Israel. No, I could. Even if I were a Christian Zionist, I might be appalled at the next Israeli prime minister that was elected and think that, you know, so I might be opposed to the government of Israel while supporting the long term health of Israel. And someone who supports Israel's right to defend itself on practical grounds doesn't have to support the current administration of Israel at all or a particular policy that they're pursuing in Gaza or the west bank or anything like that.

[Natalie Morris]

So you take them at their word for it. Because I guess when I hear them saying this, I hear they're playing politics because they want a war. But you think that it's sincere. They think that this is a real biblical interpretation.

[Douglas Wilson]

Oh yeah. So you have to understand that North American evangelicalism is overwhelmingly dispensational. It's just part of the wallpaper of the Christian mind in North America. So I don't think that they were being insincere in what they were saying at all. Now they, they may support war, support what Israel's doing on other grounds in addition. But I would have no grounds for questioning the sincerity of those statements at face value because there are millions of Christians in North America who would talk just like that.

[Clayton Morris]

Who would.

[Douglas Wilson]

Who. That sounded very familiar. Let's just put it that way.

[Natalie Morris]

Okay, so what do you make of young people rejecting Christian Zionism or thinking that this, this does not, it should not come with a foreign policy agenda? We see collapse among young people who support this war, who maybe they can see the difference between politics and religion, whereas an older generation cannot. What do you make of that?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah.

[Douglas Wilson]

So if you have a decent policy or a sane policy that rests upon a false premise, when the false premise gives way, then a lot of things might give way with it. So I, I believe that young, young people, even young ostensible conservatives, are coming of age politically in the post Covid world. And there are a lot of people who have come to the conclusion that I need to not believe anything any government official is telling me.

[Natalie Morris]

Basically, that's a smart place to start.

[Douglas Wilson]

I would say that's a good baseline. As long as you're not bitter or cynical or full of malice. It's a good idea to stop believing the government. Over the last five years, virtually every American institution that used to command high levels of trust has discredited itself. Whether it's the universities or the center for Disease Control or the military or the intelligence, intelligence agencies. I mean, it's just been one face plant after another. And so consequently a lot of young people are, it's like they're, it's like they're in free fall. All the supports that, that enabled previous generations to feel at least oriented or secure in where they were, all of that's gone. And, and about the only thing they have is some guy they found on the Internet. And so consequently they're blown. I think their, their temptation is going to be to be blown about by every wind of doctrine because Chesterton didn't say this, but he should have. If a man doesn't stand for something, he'll fall for anything. And I think that that's the position that many people are in. And the establishment let them down basically. And if you want people to, if you want people to quit chasing after conspiracy theories, I would say to the establishment, well then stop telling lies.

[Natalie Morris]

Right, but your book makes the point that no man run government can ever be put before your God or Jesus Christ. They must be in service to God. And we don't have that. But we do have young people turning to Christianity more. So could, could we spin this in any kind of positive way, saying they no longer believe in these man made structures, so they're looking for a deity above that and maybe they're finding it and rejecting man made structures. So maybe there's hope in the young people.

[Douglas Wilson]

No, I, I do think, think it's hopeful. I do think it's a good thing. I just think that if you look at the last 2000 years of church history, almost all good things were incredibly messy. Right?

[Natalie Morris]

Right.

[Douglas Wilson]

Good, good things does not mean fluffy clouds and unicorns and rainbows. Good things are often tumultuous and challenging and courage is required and hard study and you know, so I think that that's, I think we're in that kind of a position now. And some people there, there have been great reformations and revivals in the past and some people destroyed themselves in it and some people found their way in it. And I'm trusting God that this, that he's writing a good story. I'm fond of saying that God draws straight with crooked lines and he uses broken people. I think he cares for us. And so Consequently, a lot of the young people who are turning back to the church, turning back to Christ, or are searching, they're searchers. I think that that's an opportunity that people who are established Christians should take full advantage of. But the main thing that I would say is don't follow haters.

[Clayton Morris]

Right?

[Douglas Wilson]

Don't follow haters. Find people who preach and teach from the Bible, who know how to build community and live in community, who, even if they differ with some particular policy, they're not consumed with, you know, venom or animosity. They, you know, I'd like to talk about manna m a n a make America normal again.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah, right. Okay. Well, thank you for that. I really appreciate your interpretation. I've been, like I said, looking forward to speaking with you since I read your book, and I really liked it. And so I have so many more highlights that maybe you can come back and talk to me about some other.

[Douglas Wilson]

Time if you want to pursue this further. I did write another book called American Milk and Honey, and it's on the whole Israel thing, Americanism, Zionism, the whole deal. And it's a challenging subject, not an easy one, but I do think the Bible teaches on the subject directly. So I appreciate the opportunity to talk with y'.

[Clayton Morris]

All.

[Natalie Morris]

I'll read it and come back to you. Please come back.

[Douglas Wilson]

All right. Blessings.

[Natalie Morris]

Thank you so much. All right, well, let us know what you think.

[Clayton Morris]

Fascinating.

[Natalie Morris]

Yes, indeed. Very fascinating. Okay, we have more news to get to. We're gonna talk about you, by the way.

[Clayton Morris]

I should just point. A lot of people in our chat room are like, man, this guy is smart. They're like, at first, like, I wasn't sure, and then like, man, he is one smart guy. He knows his stuff. I'm a fan now. I'm a fan now, so.

[Natalie Morris]

Indeed. And, yeah, I have a lot of. It's an existential crisis for me reading his book.

[Clayton Morris]

Did you just have a stroke?

[Natalie Morris]

I might have, because he makes clear early in this book, this is for evangelicals. And I'm like, well, I'm not that, but I want to know what he has to know, and I want more of that. I'm not exactly sure where I'm going with this, but I'm a seeker. I am in a constant state of aporia, which means you don't know what you don't know, and you're willing to have your beliefs broken down. It's exhausting.

[Clayton Morris]

I feel like I learned. I feel the more I read, the more I study, the more I talk to. To whistleblowers and insiders. Like sometimes I feel like the less I know, you know?

[Natalie Morris]

Yes.

[Clayton Morris]

Like the next subject we're going to talk about. You know, Jeremy Corbell, UFO researcher, filmmaker, warned us all back in January, or I think it was February, that the lie they were going to tell us is that a large interstellar UFO and extraterrestrial craft is going to be heading towards Earth. It would be an existential threat for all of us. He said it would be a big lie, that we need to prepare for it. I've heard this from multiple other insiders over the past year to be be aware that this is the strategy and lie they would tell all of us. What is the goal in all of this? Well, just like that, on cue, now there's a large interstellar craft of some kind heading towards Earth. It's called I A Sorry 3 I Atlas and we're going to talk about that coming up here in just a moment.

[Natalie Morris]

But first, first we want to tell you about our friends over at Hillsdale College. Because if you are also a lifelong learner, also like me, in a constant state of aporia, wondering what is it? I don't know, I'm willing to break down my beliefs and learn new things. Well, then you can become a Hillsdale education enthusiast. You know when you hear people say, well, that's unconstitutional, how do you really know? Well, you can take courses such as the free online course called the Federalist. The Federalist is papers were written by two of America's most important founding fathers, Alexander Hamilton and James Madison. And together they explain what actually was the purpose of the Constitution. What were they trying to do so that you can use that term in an educated way, break down your knowledge of it and build it from the ground up. And today it's our responsibility to pay attention to these kind of things. They have many courses just like that, more than 40 free offers online courses. A course in C.S. lewis, the stories in the book of Genesis, the rise and fall of the Roman Republic. All of these are free to you. They are self guided. You take them whenever you'd like and they come at no cost to you. So enroll. If you want the Federalist course you can go to online Hillsdale Edu. It's a long, let's see online Hillsdale Eduardo, slash courses, slash promo, slash the Federalist. That's what they would like you to if you can, you can find that on your own or just go to Hillsdale Edu redacted.

[Clayton Morris]

That's easier. That other URL seems like I'd have to get a college education just to remember it.

[Natalie Morris]

I know exactly you can find it. Just go to the redacted one. That way you they know that you're a redacted viewer and they will know what you're interested in and they know that you redacted member are super interested in learning. So go to Hillsdale Edu Redacted to enroll for free. Hillsdale Edu redacted.

[Clayton Morris]

I'm gonna take a college course on remembering URLs.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah, we're just beaming them to you from my mind.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh my gosh. I'll never forget one of my first jobs when I worked at Fox back in the day, back in year 2000. I was a, I was a producer @ good day LA in Los Angeles. And we were just started doing, mentioning new interesting websites because the web was new. And as a producer, I remember talking to the hosts of the show, Steve Edwards and all of this. I said, hey, here's the website I want you all to remember. And here was this fun website. So they did a story about the website and I didn't know at the time that people when they're listening to a show, can't remember a URL. So I put like www.in the script in the script. And it was like a long. It was like Z 1527. So the hosts read it out, it was like. And they and Steve Edwards made fun of. He goes, what the hell is this URL? Like, what is this? And it was like this long 30 character URL that no one could possibly have written down or remembered. Anyway, note to self. Okay, all right, let's talk about UFOs. Let's talk about interstellar craft. So is 3i Atlas a space rock? Is it an alien craft? Now you recall back in January, Jeremy Corbell, UFO documentarian, filmmaker, researcher, obviously been to Capitol Hill. He's met with all of these people. He warned all of us that the lie they were going to tell coming forward now was that we would be visited by some large interstellar craft, would be heading towards Earth. It would be extraterrestrial in origin. And we better batten down the hatches, get ready for it, I don't know, turn over all of our biometrics, give up all of our freedom, all of that. That's what was coming. He said it would be a big lie, get ready for it. And then just on cue, just a few short months later, sure enough, now reports are three I atlas heading towards Earth on sort of a collision course of sorts of. Here's The Daily Mail. Mysterious interstellar object aiming at Earth is not natural as scientists rule out comet theory. Now that headline could be construed as misleading because hundreds of scientists have come forward and physicists have said that this is a comet, it is natural. Then you have Harvard scientist Avi Loeb saying there's no tail on this thing and therefore it's not natural, it's not a comet. Sounds similar to the umma. I always. Philip, can you help me out with this? Even though I know how to.

[Douglas Wilson]

Oumuamua.

[Clayton Morris]

Oumuamua, the Hawaiian name. Oumuamua, you remember that from a number of years ago, that long like cigar shaped craft that was sort of giving off weird signals and heading towards Earth in some capacity. Amua mua. So this is the third in that series. Now here's some images. Here's what Dr. John Brandenburg wrote. Three eye at the atlas is not a comet. Comets are dirty snowballs of ices and silica dusts usually dominated by water ice, but also more volatile ices like col, which vaporize beyond Jupiter. The two Eye Borisov, which was the second one in this, displayed this. Oumuamua did not. Three Eye Atlas is now emulating the latter. So similar to Oumuamua. Be alert, he says. Well, Ron James, who media relations director for mufon, the Mutual UFO Network, is joining us now. He's also the creator of the film Accidental Truth. And of course, James, Ron has to deal with all of these reports that come in at MUFON and then goes out and actually investigates the veracity of these claims. Ron, great to have you here on the show for the first time. Nice to meet you.

[Steve Witkoff]

Thanks for having me on. I'm a real fan.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. And I've been a fan of MUFON for a very long time, going back to my childhood. So it's great to have, it's great to have you on here. So you know Jeremy Corbell's comments in early part of the year about being warned about this lie that's being perpetrated. Then you have Avi Loeb from Harvard and others now saying that this is clearly not man, this is, this is, this is not natural, this is not a comet. What are you guys at MUFON dealing with on this subject right now? How are you? Can you help us parse this?

[Steve Witkoff]

Well, you know, MUFON is dedicated to the scientific understanding of the phenomenon. And what we're looking at here is we've got Avi Loeb and we've got John Brandenburg, both of whom I've spent time with and I respect a lot. But there is not a great deal of other opinions that are lining up to promote this as some kind of unnatural item that's coming through the galaxy. So NASA is still billing it as a comet. There are some unusual aspects to it, certainly, but there's nothing definitive that could make us say, yes, we support the idea that this is an artificial craft at this time, but we can't. We can't disallow it either.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, we can't just allow it, but others disallow it. Exactly. You're right. So then, what do you make of Avi Loeb's comments on this? I'm hearing from other insiders and physicists and friends who are saying that this is definitely just a rock. Like, what would be the motivation for Avi Loeb to be saying that this is some sort of an alien tech that's heading our way? What's the motivation? And maybe you could tie this to what Jeremy Corbell was warning us about. What's the motivation for lying to us if it is a lie?

[Steve Witkoff]

You know, it's interesting. Avi has made his way into the limelight with these kinds of claims. It started with the muamua that he claimed was potentially an unnatural craft. And then he. He raised some money and went and pulled magnets across the bottom of the ocean, trying to recover items from under the ocean from a meteorite, which we still don't have the complete data on that yet. And now this new. This new phenomenon is something that he's also calling attention to. The idea that there's some unusual characteristics about it that could potentially point to an artificial origin. And all of that is perfectly fine. But we do have a history of not claims, because he doesn't claim that this stuff is fact, but we do have a history of him calling attention to things that remain inconclusive. Now, nothing against Avi. I respect his work a lot, and as a Harvard astronomer, took a lot of courage for him to come forward with some of these ideas, and they may yet prove to be true. And then with Jeremy Corbell and what he said about us being deceived by the claim of an extraterrestrial spaceship coming toward Earth. I've been talking to the same people in Washington that he has. I travel in some of the same circles in December D.C. and also there's a researcher named Richard Dolan who put out a book and series about false flag operations. One of them was called Project Bluebeam. The idea that we would be faked out about alien craft coming for the purpose of reshaping society and anything else they could do while they had us under control. Jeremy's kind of espousing that same sort of principle. A false flag operation, in my opinion, is not a likely scenario. Because in this day and age, you could have video of a flying saucer hovering over a city, nobody's going to believe it. They're going to think it's all fake. And so I think if they tell us something's coming, it's going to be because something's coming. And I think that might have a lot more to do with why we're getting this limited disclosure from Washington D.C. is because there is a time limit on how long they have to get the information out to the public. And so we're dealing with this right now.

[Clayton Morris]

What are you hearing about this October 29th timeline that come October 20th, I think it's 29th, maybe I'm wrong about this. Something is going to happen. Like we're getting close to. Maybe it's some sort of a limited disclosure, some larger scale disclosure. You heard President Trump asked about a couple of questions about the massive drone sightings over the east coast last year. Tulsi Gabbard says that she's seen these documents. And I think she claims that the veracity of these documents, she can't talk about them, but that they are real. And the fall. Right. It's perfect in time for Halloween. Right. What do you make of that?

[Steve Witkoff]

Well, we always get these deadlines and timelines. We had it in 2012 for a major executive example. So there's always these times in the not too distant future where something major is supposed to happen. I have not heard anything inside of Washington D.C. and I talked to a lot of the people that you see on tv, the Congress people involved. I haven't heard anything that says there's some kind of definitive date. Now, that being said, the managers of this information that have been keeping it a secret from people for almost 100 years now, they understand that at some point they've got to let the cat out of the bag. But how they do that is is up for Deb. What we've seen is that since 2017, they've tried to seize control of the narrative and parade out a few select people to tell us a few select facts. Because if the whole truth were to come out in some kind of catastrophic disclosure, the people that would be accountable for the fact that they've hidden this from humanity for all this Time and the potential crimes against humanity that come from, say, for instance, covering up, up a new alternative energy or covering up technology that could have taken humanity in a whole different direction. These people would have some explaining to do. So what we're seeing is this understanding that they're going to have to tell us something. At the same time, they're trying to protect themselves and their industry partners from what really would be an awful lot of accountability. And we're seeing this play out in.

[Clayton Morris]

Washington, D.C. yeah, I think you're right. I think maybe that's what. But that's what's going on with the moon politics right now. I want to get to that in a second because I sit in the camp that we've had our friend of the show, Ashton Forbes on multiple times, but others I've spoken to about free energy, that it exists, that we know it exists. Why are we still paying electric bills? Why are we still paying for all of this gasoline? We have teleportation technology, all of these things. So I sit firmly in that camp from the people that I've spoken to and I'm sure, well, just remember the.

[Steve Witkoff]

People that we're paying this stuff to, people we're paying the electric bills to, and the people we're buying the gas from, they're the ones that are in charge. And so as long as if there's any kind of a threat that would dethrone them from running the planet and controlling the population, they're going to do everything they can to delay or even stop that from happening. So, you know, that's a, it's, it's a sad fact of human nature. But the people that are in charge are not the most caring people on the planet.

[Clayton Morris]

Right, exactly. They want to protect these interests. I mean, you see it in the biopharmaceutical complex that RFK Jr. Is trying to fight against as much as he can. So they own and control Washington and they basically control the pocketbooks of those people that are in charge in Congress as well. I want to talk about the moon politics because I think it's tied to all of this. So you saw these stories over the past 48 hours. Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy, who's now, I think he's acting NASA administrator, if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong about that. He's interim NASA administrator. He announced nuclear. We're building a nuclear reactor on the moon. And we already know that DARPA contract with Northrop Grumman to build a giant railway system on the moon. To me, this is me Talking. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but this is all total BS and its cover, it's a total cover story for the fact that we've had a moon base for decades. Those in the know and the secret space program know that we have a moon base. I've talked to insiders in the U.S. air Force and others who've been to the moon base multiple times. So they think we're stupid. They think we're absolutely stupid. So I spoke to an insider this morning who told me, so what, what do you make of this story? What do you make of this nuclear reactor story on the moon? This now partnership with Lockheed Martin to build nukes on the moon, all this stuff. And what this insider told me was, I believe they're getting ready to transfer the current moon assets that are used in the secret space program over to NASA and now Space Force as part of this sort of disclosure project that it's been there for decades now. They're just giving us a cover story to kind of put it out there in the open. What do you make of that? Do you think that's true or false?

[Steve Witkoff]

Well, the best way to parade something out to the public and say that's been there for a long time and they didn't want to let anybody know about it, is to create a construction project and say, oh yeah, we just built that. And so what better way to disclose and again cover their accountability than to just include the presence of these in some new project? And, you know, the Moon has always been a mystery. There's no good explanation for where it came from. There's no good explanation for how it manages this geosynchronous orbit that it's in. There's all kinds of questions about the Moon and its true origins and what the astronauts encountered on the Moon.

[Clayton Morris]

So.

[Steve Witkoff]

And then there's helium 3, which is a huge resource that could change the whole energy infrastructure of the planet. So there's a lot of reasons to put a power plant on the Moon, and there's a lot of reasons to do these projects so that they can come clean about what's been there that the whole time. So I agree with you.

[Clayton Morris]

Can you talk more about Helium 3 and explain to our audience what this is and why it's so important?

[Steve Witkoff]

I'm not a scientific person to discuss Helium 3 itself, but Helium 3 is something that occurs on the Moon. It's very rare on Earth, and apparently it can generate energy through new ways of energy generation that make it super efficient and extremely volatile. And it's capable of producing great amounts of energy for very small quantities of the substance. And so getting helium 3 from the moon and bringing it down to Earth could change the whole energy infrastructure on the planet.

[Clayton Morris]

Do you think we're heading for full disclosure anytime soon?

[Steve Witkoff]

I think we're never going to get full disclosure. There's never going to be a time where these guys come forward and say, okay, look, here's what happened back in the 30s, here's everything that has been done since then. Here's all the records, here's all the pictures, here's all the secret programs, here's all the messed up things we've done to humanity. They're never going to give us that we're going to get. My prediction is that at some point soon we're going to get some sort of acknowledgment that they've found positive signs of life, maybe on Mars or somewhere like that. And it's going to slowly evolve into more and more disclosure. But there's never going to be a time when somebody comes forward and tells us 100% of the truth because it's just, it's not something they can disclose. Too many heads are going to roll.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I agree. I'll get you out of here on this, which is the dark side of the Moon. You know, I'm, I'm not just a huge Pink Floyd fan, but I am fascinated about both the Moon base, of course, and again, we've spoken to multiple insiders, secret space program individuals who've been to the Moon base through a jump room, you call it a stargate, et cetera. But I bet at MUFON you guys have dealt with maybe hundreds, maybe thousands, I don't know, cases of amateur astronomers or even not so amateur astronomers who are using maybe their own high powered telescopes, not like the Jason telescope I had as a little kid, but slightly larger Orion size, whatever telescopes and they've captured, I mean, countless craft landing in craters, you know, moving from craters, moving around to the dark side of the Moon. Can you talk about that? What you guys have and maybe your database at mufon?

[Steve Witkoff]

Well, we certainly have a collection of reports about things being sighted on and around the Moon. Obviously nobody can see the dark side of the Moon because it stays facing away from Earth. But there is a lot of records of reports and military reports and military witnesses that go back a long time. We just got the diaries of a UFO investigator from the 50s named Leonard Stringfield. And contained in his diaries are firsthand accounts of people that actually had interactions with these craft going to the moon, interviews with the astronauts that said they saw things. The Moon is a big mystery in so many ways. The idea that it's an artificial satellite that may be here to surveil Earth, that it might even be hollow. None of these have been debunked. And so although we can't prove it at this point, I think that the more we find out about the Moon, the more it's going to answer a lot of questions.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, it's very fascinating why the moon doesn't rotate in the way that maybe other celestial bodies do with this weird synchronous rotation.

[Steve Witkoff]

It doesn't. And what it's made of and what it's comprised of and where it originated and how there's so many coincidences like the moon is the same size as the sun during an eclipse. All kinds of things like that kind of play into the astronauts. There's tapes of them saying that they were being surveilled by craft while they were on the moon.

[Clayton Morris]

So I mean, that's an amazing. For anyone who's like, this is all bs, that's garbage. We have audio of the astronauts in the Apollo missions telling Houston that they're witnessing Kraft and they had to switch over, if I'm not mistaken, from the public audio channel to the health private channel. They were taking their conversation private because they didn't want people to be spooked. But they were seeing craft on the craters where they were. Where they were landing. Am I wrong?

[Steve Witkoff]

No, that's absolutely true. And you know, I thought it was really funny. I was at the last UFO hearings and Mr. Gold from NASA, NASA actually said that NASA was the most transparent organization he's ever been in. And if you listen very closely to the tape of the hearings that you hear somebody bust out laughing and that was me in the back of the room because I just couldn't contain myself. NASA has covered up more facts about this whole phenomenon than any front facing group and they still continue to do it.

[Clayton Morris]

Unbelievable. Well, it's been a real treat having you here, Ron. Thank you so much for joining us. I hope you'll come back. Don't thank be a stranger. And we need more transparency. And I love that you were the one laughing about NASA's the most transparent.

[Steve Witkoff]

Yeah, people were pointing at me going. But I just couldn't stop myself.

[Clayton Morris]

Too funny. Ron, great to see you. Thank you so much. And yeah, people should check out mufon if you guys want to dive into the files that MUFON has the Largest database in the world on.

[Steve Witkoff]

Yeah, we've been studying this since the 1950s and we've got. Got members all over the world that investigate UFOs and there's always chances for people to get involved. And so, yeah, we definitely welcome anybody.

[Clayton Morris]

Wonderful. Ron, great to see you. Thank you so much.

[Steve Witkoff]

Thanks for having me on.

[Clayton Morris]

My pleasure. All right, let me know what you guys think of that. I mean, you know where I stand on it. So, Philip, I know you've been tracking this quite a bit. You've been watching the physics around Oumuamua and all of these three I and, and people think it's called 31, but it's three I. Yeah, no, no, it's, it's. It stands for third interstellar object. So it's three I. Atlas. Its name changed once that. Because once they first discovered it, they didn't know what it was. So it had one name designation and then when it was a comet, they had another name designation. Once they've determined at least they're saying that it's an interstellar object, then it became I3 or 3I. The third interstellar object named Atlas. Anthony Z. Does in our chat room says Clayton is a smart guy, but whenever it comes to the moon or space, he turns into a retard and just believes it for some reason. I think I just did a whole segment on debunking it. I don't know, I don't know if you were paying attention, but the whole segment was about. They're putting forth this idea that this is some large interstellar craft. And I was pretty much saying that I don't understand the agenda. Why are they trying to scare us about this? So I think I didn't believe it because they, they tried that with Muamua. I mean, that was, that was a big thing with the Muamu was they were like, oh, look, it's, it's acting weird, it's slowing down, it's doing all this. And it's like, no, none of that ended up tracking. It was just a big weird shaped rock that, you know, so that was. And that it was emitting some weird signal too, right? Yeah, there was a bunch of, There was a bunch of, like when they first discovered like Oumuamua, there was a, there was a lot of, A lot of ideas of what it was going on out there that most of them didn't track for. For me, it's kind of obvious because. Yeah, because like, if you look at like they're putting out this propaganda now.

[Steve Witkoff]

For Space Force These recruitment videos and stuff like that.

[Clayton Morris]

And it's because, like with these, these fears, these aren't things anybody can verify. So it's a way for them to.

[Steve Witkoff]

Get blank checks to fight things that.

[Clayton Morris]

Are going to be coming from space that they can just hide.

[Steve Witkoff]

Hide more money.

[Clayton Morris]

Right? Yeah. And we can't check it. So as journalists, can you send me as part of a delegation to the moon so I can.

[Steve Witkoff]

Where are all the TikTok videos of people witnessing?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. A friend of the show, Ryan Matta, right now, he is in Madagascar. He is there because they received like hundreds of millions of dollars in USAID funding. He's there in Madagascar checking the veracity of those claims. Like, where did this money go? Is it being used? Used actually to help. It was supposed to go to help feed children, but none of it did. It all went to line the pockets of these Democratic donors and these party politicians and so forth. So he can go there and check that. Friend of the show, Dan Cohen, can go to Haiti and check that. Right. But we can't exactly go to the moon and check their claims about now we're going to build a nuclear reactor on the moon. So Anthony does. I don't believe there's actually a lot less I believe than you. Than you. Than you'd believe. I've spoken to insiders I know for a fact who have been to these different locations in the United States. People who've had their lives ruined as a result of coming forward. And if you think about it like a jury, right? Like you have a jury of your peers. You have, you know, you have a. Was it nine member jury? 12 member jury? 12. 12 angry men. 12. I always get it mixed up with the Supreme Court. So you have 12 members of a jury. They weren't there to witness the murder, but they're going on evidence, right. They're having to make a determination on the evidence. Is there video footage? Is there eyewitness testimony? Is there, you know, do we have physical evidence, do we have DNA evidence, whatever it is to convict or not convict somebody. That's the way that this works. So based on the insider testimony, I've spoken with and I've spoken to people who don't want to go on camera, who don't ever want to speak in front of a camera. They've already had their lives ruined privately. They don't need it ruined publicly. Who I've spoken with these insiders who have been a part of the secret space program, who have been to the moon base. Whether you like to hear it or not, they've been there. So, you know, based on the evidence, based on the documents that I've seen, based on the eyewitness testimony that I've listened to, that's my assessment of it. So I don't just believe anything. I. I kind of follow the facts so well.

[Steve Witkoff]

And we have, we have Jeff Bezos, owns the Washington Post and also has.

[Clayton Morris]

The blue rocket or whatever. He could send journalists up to verify it for us and he'd have an upper hand in journalism at that point. There you go. It could be the Washington Post moon mission. He'd have to. Yeah, he'd have to find some actual astronauts, though. I don't think Katy Perry is going to cut.

[Steve Witkoff]

Katy Perry reporting from Saturn.

[Clayton Morris]

You know, I love the old Norm MacDonald joke you seen about the astronauts. He's like, you know, they sent these three astronauts to the moon. These guys were amazing. They were, you know, so lucky. And first man on the moon, Neil Armstrong. Second guy, we know their names, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, gets to walk on the moon. The third guy, you don't ever get to. We don't even know his name because he didn't get to, you know, he didn't get to go on the moon. His. Michael Collins. What a what, you know, what a what a bag of goods he was sold. He gets to go all the way to the moon, and then he, he doesn't get to go down the little rope ladder onto the moon. He has to stay in the lunar capsule. What a he. What a bill of goods he was sold. I can't imagine. I can't imagine just like a worse fate. I'm sure he was excited, but still like sitting in like laying in bed at night alone with your thoughts being like, damn it, man, so close.

[Steve Witkoff]

Nobody.

[Clayton Morris]

And then he's like looking out the window and he's like, wait, what, what are these mfers doing out there? Playing golf out there? What? They're what? They got a. They got a lunar buggy. They're riding the dune buggy on the moon. And I got to stay in the lunar capsule, man. I was. Maybe, maybe he was in there with. Maybe he was in there with all the beer. Maybe he didn't mind, right? And then it's like Norm MacDonald's joke about then Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin get back in the lunar capsule and like, oh, how was it out there? Was the moon like, was it amazing? And you know, they're having to downplay it. You know, once you, eh. Wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I'd rather be here in the Lunar module with you. It's warmer, it's cozier. That's not all it's cracked up to be out there. Be happy to be inside the Lunar Module. I don't know. If that were me, I'm sorry, I'd probably have to break mission, break protocol, you know. But then how do you get back in? I guess if you like, if you're the one that like locks the door on the way out, like, did anyone bring the keys? I would definitely suit up. I'm sorry, I'd be like, I thought Buzz was in trouble. I thought Buzz was in trouble, so I suited up and went to go help him. Is that why you did it? I mean, think about it. If you want to make a name for yourself, be the first person to die on the moon. Just grab that suit and just run out the door and don't look back. And then they'll remember you forever. David Pershing in our chat room says, yeah, Neil and Buzz got back to the lunar capsule and their toothbrushes tasted like ass. PJ Pickett says, come on, Clayton, do Norm's voice. You know you want to, man, Norm MacDonald's the greatest comedian never lived. Love the guy. I, I, on a night, I'll just sit and just watch Norm MacDonald clip sometimes. Hey, we're gonna hang out just for a few minutes here. Get in your super chats, any kind of comments you want here. 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Fatty15.com redacted all right, let's check some super chats and other things that have come in here. Good to see everyone. Wanda, be normal. Thank you for your five dollar super chat. Says all of a sudden people who don't ever chat repeatedly and furiously start calling BS whenever the MUFON guy is on. Isn't that funny how that works? Like, I always wonder why is it that that part of people's brains just shut down when you talk about things that are like, off world? Do you believe for a second that this is it, like we are it? I'll never forget Ainsley Earhart. You remember her from Fox and Friends. She was one of my old co hosts and we were doing an after the show show back when I used to do Fox and Friends. And she said, I just, you know what, I just, I don't buy it because I'm busy and I've got a daughter to take care of and I just. Wait, I said wait a second. So what you're saying is you only believe like we are it because you're busy with a daughter. Like, you can't open up that part of your brain to even understand that we're not alone in the universe, that clearly we're not alone. You think in how many galaxies there are and how infinite the universe is that? Like, this is it. Guy with like a beer belly and graying hair. Like, this is it. If this is it, we got some problems. I mean, really. Well, I just have trouble, I have trouble jumping, jumping to the logic of ruling stuff out because, I mean, there's, there's a lot of things I'm not. I don't necessarily think there's evidence to that. It's, you know, like one of my core beliefs. Like a lot of this stuff that comes up, I'm like, well, I don't, I don't have any reason to believe that. I don't. I don't buy this evidence. However, that does not mean I get to say, therefore it must not be true because I don't have any evidence the other way either. So it's like you have to leave that. You have to leave the unknown open because you don't know. Right? So if your worldview. I think that that's the thing. Right. If someone's worldview is so tied to the notion that this can't be true, and then there's here's evidence, here's eyewitnesses, here's people who worked on these programs who had their lives ruined afterwards as a result of it dragged through the mud. People who were mysteriously suicided. You know, whistleblowers that had their lives ruined. People that waited until their deathbed when they were dying of cancer. Like Philip, like Colonel Corso, who worked on these projects for the US Government, didn't finally tell his story until he was dying. And other people, so. But who are we to say? I just always so funny. To me, it's like they're people are so willing to be open to a lot of subjects, but when it comes to the fact that our government has been lying to us for decades about our secret space program and the reverse engineering of craft like that. No, that's too much. That's too much. I mean, what happened to Nikola tells all of Nikola Tesla's work? The guy had discovered etheric energy that we could literally pull free energy from the atmosphere and power light bulbs. Where did all that information go? Oh, the FBI raided his New York City apartment and took it all. Why don't we have. There was even a Canadian guy that had created a carburetor. It was something like 90. It was like something ridiculously efficient in fuel conservation. And so suddenly, with this carburetor, he had like, you could run like 90 miles on a gallon of gas. And he was getting like all these crazy. And dudes actually showed up at his place, grabbed all of his research, scared the bejesus out of him. And the guy never picked up his research again. Like, I. I'll have to find that story. I can't remember where I read that. Yeah. Basically discovering, you know, and tapping into free energy and they're suddenly behind bars, you know. Yeah. That wasn't even free energy. That was suddenly wind up. That was using con. It's a powerful energy industry. Is a powerful industry.

[Douglas Wilson]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

Think how could it be? Think how it could be completely upended the billions of Dollars that we spend on all of this energy to know that there's free energy out there. I mean, it's remarkable. Fatty D. McButterpants, thank you for your $2 super chat says fatty 15. I'm not affiliated. I love that your screen name is Fatty D. McButterpants. See any other super chats here? I want to get to thank you for your five dollar super chat as well. Rod Rememberx says submarines are already nuclear powered. Rodmarex is nuclear. On the moon, at least no American civilians. Yeah, at least there wouldn't be American civilians there. Rodman Rex US China. You keep military secrets? Most military tech is secret. That's the other thing. When people say. And I don't buy it. People are like the US Government, they could never keep secrets. Really. Like Hal Puthoff for instance, and others who've worked on these programs have said, you wouldn't believe the things that are kept secret that no one knows about, that they've worked on these secret programs. Thank you, Fatty D. McButterpants. There it is. So, but think about the man, just as an example, just think about the Manhattan Project and all these people working on building a nuclear atom bomb in the United States. We can keep secrets. We can keep a lot of secrets. Think about all the secrets that were at Area 51. Both the technology that was there, from reverse engineering of UFO craft to also the secret like boxcar program, you know, the development of the SR71 Blackbird and all of that stuff detailed brilliantly by Annie Jacobson in her book on Area 51. Now there's plenty of secrets that were kept and that are still being kept from us. Massive underground cities in the United States. The massive hidden underground cities in the United States. Christy Carroll or Christy Carpio says, I wonder if Clayton attends any UFO convention. No, I've never been to a UFO convention.

[Steve Witkoff]

So we're good.

[Clayton Morris]

I'm asked to speak at one last year, but it conflicted with something in the family. I'd love to go. I would love to go to. What's the one in the desert? It's called Burning Man. It's not called Disclosure in the desert. Right. What's the name of the one in the desert? Can you guys tell me?

[Steve Witkoff]

Burning Man.

[Clayton Morris]

I'm not sure. Snowy. Snowy 71. Thank you for $10.

[Steve Witkoff]

Burning Man.

[Clayton Morris]

No, not Burning Man. Is it called Disclosure in the desert? What is it? People in our chat room can let us know. Here says Snowy71. When are you having Michael yawn on again? Dan Cohen on about Haitian nickname Barbecue Forgot his French name. Oh, Jimmy Sharizi. A. Yeah. In fact, I was talking to Michael. I was texting with Michael two days ago, actually. He texted me. He was watching my report on Portugal. On Portugal. Trying to finally get pushed out illegal immigrants. And he was in Nagasaki, and he was telling me that Portugal, that's like, basically was the edge of the Portuguese empire in Nagasaki. So we were having a good chat about that. I'd love to have Michael on. I love Michael. Okay, Clayton, we're going to try pushing. We're going to try pushing the comments in front of you. Can you see those? Yeah. Good enough to read? Yeah. So is this a. This one's coming from. So this AMG Rumble Ranch. This is a Rumble one. How do you. How can you tell the difference? See the little green, I think, green rumble icon next to it, I believe. Okay, so if it's green, if it's rumble, that's from there. Okay. Yeah. And then red would be YouTube, I believe. Asking everyone in the chat room here, are you believers in. Push another one, Grim. Yeah. Try another one here. Thank you for that. AM David T ulgerson. So this one looks like. Is this a YouTube one? You know what? I'm not sure. Or is this one. Figure out how to add that icon. I'll figure out the difference for each platform. Yeah, it'd be interesting to know. I guess it doesn't matter, but thank you for your 4.99. I've just got done chipping a whole pile of free energy. Chopping a whole pile of free energy. Do you guys believe in free energy? I mean, do you believe that what Nikola Tesla had discovered and what others have corroborated through tests and so forth? I mean, Sal Pais and others who have patents on this, you know, information. Do you believe that we do have etheric energy? Free energy teleportation, like, was used in MH370. Meat Puppet. Thank you for your $5 donation. Says there's also a guy who recently found a way to turn plastic into diesel fuel. That guy is now in hiding. That's YouTube. All right. How can you tell? That's YouTube. Got it. Grim handles all of our graphics here at Redacted. He's the genius behind it all. Our. Look, stop it. He's now a Florida guy. Error says Error 404 says Clayton is half Vulcan. No, it's actually, maybe I am half Vulcan because I can literally only do this with one hand. Isn't that weird? This hand. I can't do it. Only my right hand.

[Steve Witkoff]

I can't do with my left. My pinky goes out to you.

[Clayton Morris]

My right hand. I can't do it unless I tie like a piece of string. But there was somebody on that show on the original Star Trek who also couldn't do it. And I don't know if it was, I don't know if it was William Shatner, but they had to use a little piece of string to tie it around. They had to use a piece of fishing line to hide it because he couldn't do it. Isn't that weird? It's weird that I can only do it with this hand. I can't do it with this hand. Live long and prosper. Okay, push the next one Grim, while you. Oh yeah, go ahead. We're trying to push, we're trying to get the whole new system set up. The problem is we're trying to bring all of the chat system together. We've got Rumble, we've got Twitch, we've got got, we've got Twitter x, we've got YouTube. And trying to pull all of these chats into one nice user interface and also not have it look like crap is. It's not easy. Yeah, the. It's not. For some reason not wanting to bring in that 10$1. So you may have to read that from. Oh, Jonathan hall says, I don't believe in little green men, but I've seen UFOs with my own eyes. NASA is hiding something. They are behind these UFOs. So you believe like everything UFO related NASA is involved with in some way. How can you say that though? How can you say definitively like the NASA is involved in all of these UFOs? How can you say that? Because I believe that yes, probably 90% of what we're seeing, even if it is doing unbelievable maneuvers like maybe with the Tic Tac. The USS Nimitz case may very well have been some sort of off the books black project, reverse engineered craft. But to say that everything is NASA related, I mean I think that's a. That maybe to me sounds like a bridge too far. What are these little hands floating around the screen now?

[Steve Witkoff]

I just added emojis.

[Clayton Morris]

Okay, Crow lady in our chat says being probed by an alien is overrated. A friend told me so. Lol. He wants to believe in aliens. I don't want to. I do. I think again, I've talked to too many people. I've talked to too many people who've been involved in these programs, who've witnessed it with their own eyes. I haven't Seen it. I saw a UFO when I lived in Portugal and Natalie and I both saw it and it was remarkable. Way up in the sky, flew at an unbelievable speed in a box formation, flew back over up, then like just like shot across and then flew off. My son the other day, he's like, I wish I was awake. I would. I would have loved to have seen it too. Warner Von Braun was Project Paperclip. Yeah, exactly.

[Steve Witkoff]

You can't push any more.

[Clayton Morris]

Grim. No. Did it just Jonathan. Jonathan was the last one. That was the ten dollar that he just read. Yeah, that was the last one. Oh, okay. Paintball back in the early part of the show says maybe they're all hiding its room too. 2.0. Yeah, that's the last one there. Let me just check on rumble rants. How does that work?

[Steve Witkoff]

We pulled all the rumble rants.

[Clayton Morris]

I believe that those were. Okay, yeah, there. There was just there. Well, here, here. I'm gonna go down from like the very, very beginning and pull up some of the other ones. This one's a. There's the one on the screen.

[Steve Witkoff]

Clayton.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, Rodham Rex says most military US tech is secret. Exactly. Bosho pepper or I don't know how you say, shopper says. Can you get Ashton Forbes on again for an update interview? In fact. In fact, Ashton literally just texted me during the show. We were just talking and talking. I'd love to have him back on to talk about fusion technology. He's got some pretty big revelations that he's been working on on that regard. So. Yeah, if you haven't seen my interview with Ashton, I've done a couple of interviews with Ashton. Now. We talked obviously about the disappearance of Flight MH370 using teleportation technology. But all of this etheric energy and free energy stuff, I hope gets exposed because, I mean, the fact that we're like paying for all of this and all of this exists and we have access to it and the government knows about it, you know, it's infuriating. John Penn says I. Yeah, I read that one already. Thank you, though. I read that before we put it up on the screen. John's Penn says, I saw Phoenix Lights over Camp Pendleton. Us, US Military, usmc, US Marine Corps, about two years prior to the Arizona Phoenix Lights. The Phoenix Lights is an unbelievable story. If you don't. If you guys don't know the Phoenix Lights story, go read Linda Katai. Dr. Linda Katai's great book on the Phoenix Lights. She was really. She was stunned by it. She was sort of up in the, I think up in the hills above Phoenix when the whole city started seeing this massive craft that was like football fields long, just like hovering over the city. Even Fife Symington at the time, the governor of Arizona, admitted later, I mean, he had seen it. He admitted it later after he did that crappy press conference where he's like, we got. He went out the next day. All of Arizona was like, waiting for answers. Like, what did we see last night? This massive triangular shaped craft, a floating fleet of these things hovering over like 100ft from me filming it. And they're seeing these things then. To be kind of told that they're all nuts was really insulting. Fife Symington did a press conference the next day and he's like, we know you're all up in arms about this. We got to the bottom of it. And he brought out one of his press secretaries dressed as an alien with a mask on it, sort of basically making. Making fun of everyone. He said it was the greatest mistake of his gubernatorial time. And he later admitted he actually witnessed it with his own eyes. It was a great mistake. He said that he did that sort of phony press conference. We got one on the screen for you. Oh, Rod Morex says wind only needs an electric motor and copper winding. Wind only needs electric motor and copper winding. Problem with all, you know, the wind turbines and everything is just, they look like crap and they're not. They're not efficient. David Okerson says, I have a nuclear reactor in my pants. Oh, man. Hey, Grim, your time in the military? Yes, sir. I want to ask you, did you ever see, well, where, first of all, where were you stationed? Where were you in the US Military? And what. Did you ever witness anything that you couldn't explain? I was in the US Air Force as a military working dog handler. I was stationed at Clark Air Base in the Philippines for two years from 88 to 90. Did not see anything strange there other than chasing around, you know, people in the tall grass at night. Then I was stationed at Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri, where the B2 stealth bombers now stationed again. Didn't really see much there either because a lot of snow. Yeah. So I wasn't lucky. Now I do have a story about my dad when he, when he was in the air force for 20 something years and when, when he was getting, getting ready to retire, they gave him a choice. If you wanted to stay in, you would be stationed at Nellis Air Force Base. And they told him you would get on a plane Monday morning, fly to the Job site and then come back Friday night. You could not tell anybody where you're going or talk about what you do, so. Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. Guess where he would have worked? Area 51. There you go. I believe he probably would have worked on the stealth fighter project at the time. Wow. But yeah, I, I, when he told me that, I was like, why didn't you take the job? He's like, well, I have a family. I want to actually be home. Yeah. Yeah. Where's dad Monday through Friday? Who knows? Well, they have those red flights out of, what's the airport in Vegas? They have those like, those red flights. What's the name of the. Ms. Stacy Lynn, have you considered having David Wilcock on the show? Have you read his books? I've read all of his books. Books. Yeah. You know, the, the UFO community is weird. Like, I was always fascinated with David's work and then people like crap all over his work and then other people praise his work. So, you know, the UFO community is really weird. I mean, that was, by the way. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Dr. Greer filmed three different UAPs. Anyone skeptical should diligently study and try this method to, to see proof. I followed the CE. CE5 protocol from Stephen Greer. Huh. Okay, I will check. I don't even know what that is. The CE5 protocol. I'll, I'll ask Stephen Greer about that. Yeah, well, I would love to have David Wilcock on the show. I, that's the thing, the UFO community, if you think like the, the Zionists who are like pro Israel, you know, and they'll even with all evidence in front of them, like massive, totally wiped out. Looks like Nagasaki. No, everything's fine. The people aren't starving there. I mean, if you think it like that whole back and forth debate is bad, the UFO community might be even worse if you ever go on like UFO Twitter. Oh my God. It's like people say, I hate Steven Greer because of this issue. And then others will say, I don't like David Wilcock because of this issue and Lou Elizondo over here. And you know, I mean, I've interviewed Michael Horn a number of times. Who's the, you know, English language representative for, for. Oh my God, my brain is fried. Billy Meyer. Billy Meyer. Thank you. It's been a long day and people will not touch that story with a ten foot pole. I don't know why, like, here's a guy with verifiably copywritten information who's written it down, told people, and it's been printed and then years later, these prophecies come true. The craft that he witnessed with his own eyes in pre digital eras with film never been debunked. Even though people tried to. I don't get it. But people won't touch it. It's crazy. It's so weird. The UFO community is so weird. Venus BM. Thank you for your $2 something to the guy who thinks. Okay. To the guy who see this time there's no little rumble logo there. So I don't know what it's like a whale. Yeah. To the guy who thinks the government is behind it all. So alien abductions are just made up? Get the F out of here. Aliens are for sure real and way more advanced than us. Saying this from firsthand experience. Wow. Imager Girl 8 Floor says yes. WTG Clayton. Yes. CE5 witness videos are in. Greer's latest movie Contact has Begun. Must watch. I will watch that and yeah, I'll have, I'll have Greer back on the show about that. Yeah, I'll have to check that out. Okay. Sambala. Thank you for that. I'll check that out. All right. Yeah, I would love to have Venetialism BM on the show. First hand experience. I mean reach out to me, you know, send me a, send me a message on Twitter if you want. Would love to hear more about that. All right guys. Yeah, Richard Dolan, we're trying to get him on as well. I love coast to coast, by the way. Yeah, read Michael Horn's work. I mean read his. Cole's Towing said. Did someone actually accuse Clayton of not believing in aliens? Okay, I've seen it all. No, no, no, I, I for sure, I for sure believe in aliens because I've again, I've talked to too many people who, who've witnessed it firsthand and actually have had interactions with them. Whistleblowers, members of the US military, high levels, High level, high ranking members of the US military. So. And I've read too much on the subject to not. But I would love to see it for my own self for sure. And I would love to use one of the jump seats or the jump jump rooms to go to the moon base for sure. Would love to. Thank you guys so much for being here. Thank you for subscribing, being a part of the show. It's kind of turned in like a little art bell hour here at the. The last part. I love this like coast to coast hanging out with everyone. I should take some callers. The real has that ability. Yeah, that'd be cool. We should do some calls anyway. Love that. I could do this all night. Talk about coast to Coast, Art Bell, all of that stuff. I mean, I used to sit up late at night and like listen, record it. I would try to. Back in the day, before you could even have an app that you could play pre recorded content from from coast to Coast. I used to record it myself. There was an app that would actually let you record like live radio. And so I would do that back in the day.

[Steve Witkoff]

It'll just have to be when you're not on kid duty.

[Clayton Morris]

It's like, well, that's when I would used to listen to it. When the babies would wake up in the middle of the night and need like feeding or a bottle or something. If like Natalie pumped, I'm like, all right. She'd be like, can you go? Can you go there? I pumped milk, it's in the fridge, you know, like, and I'd go and I'd sit and listen to coast to coast at like 3 in the morning. The baby.

[Steve Witkoff]

Well, I mean, I mean you actually.

[Clayton Morris]

Being Art Bell, like sitting. Oh my God. No, I could never, I could never do like an overnight radio show. I mean it would just destroy, destroy your life, like physically, mentally. You couldn't do it. It's just not good for your body. People get cancer, you know, it's just not good. It's not good for you anyway. I mean I, I say that from first hand experience. When I worked in television at like Fox News and other places, the people that like worked from like midnight to 5am like they just didn't look good and a lot of them got cancer. Like you're not, we're just not really. I don't know, Philip. I know you worked like overnights for a long time too. Did you see? Yeah, I did. I'm sorry. We're still live by the way. Hey. Hey. Grim. So are you Grim.

[Steve Witkoff]

Sorry.

[Clayton Morris]

No, I, I worked, I worked nights. But I, I, I'm geared towards it. So like I, I, it didn't bother me at all. The only time it was ever off putting was when we were doing 12 hour shifts because you'd get there like we had like specialized equipment we had to use. And so like I would show up to my shift, take the equipment from the person from the shift before. I would work my whole shift and when I get done, that person would be there taking it back for me. That was off putting, but other than that it never really bothered me. I did that for a couple years. Some people can handle it and you can handle it for a couple of years. Like when you have young. You know, when you're younger and you have some energy. And I did it for a couple. I did it for. For a lot of years in television, but it's. It really wears you down. I just saw people getting cancer. It's just not, you know, it's just not good for you. I just don't think we're meant to, like, sleep during the day, you know, REM wrote a song on their album called up called Day Sleeper. And I totally related to that song. Like, just someone like, you're even, you.

[Steve Witkoff]

Know, a teenage boy, then.

[Clayton Morris]

Then it's okay.

[Steve Witkoff]

But you grow out of it.

[Clayton Morris]

My son today. Because it's so important for teenagers to get sleep, you know, I mean, that's where their growth spurt happens. So teenagers need to sleep a lot. And we know the science on that now. My son literally slept until noon today. Oh, man. Anyway. Oughta be young. All right, thanks, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Really appreciate it. Again, thanks for subscribing, being a part of our show. We'll be back here tomorrow at 4:00pm Eastern Time. We are live just about every day. We'll be back with the news of the day. Hopefully we'll talk a little UFO news, as always, paranormal news. And we'll have that in the show as well. Trying to incorporate more of that in the show because, I mean, I enjoy it, first of all. It really excites me and the kid in me comes out for sure. And a lot of the news of the day dealing with Epstein and a lot of the, you know, the crap that the government hides from us can be. Can be. Be taxing on your brain from time to time. So be able to cover some of those stories. Let me know down below if you would enjoy more of that because I would love to bring it to you, by the way. So thanks, everyone. We'll see you back here tomorrow. Have a great night.