Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (2:03)

It's abducted. Because there's no range they say to.

Guest or Contributor (David) (2:05)

Say captured or abducted. You can't say kidnapped.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (2:09)

Seized.

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (2:09)

It's captured or seized.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (2:10)

Yeah, because the BBC just released that they, they don't want any journalists to use different words. So we're now listening to the BBC and how they want it all framed to MI6, Mossad and the CIA.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (2:21)

Right. I'm sure if it was my family member this Nuance would really be comforting.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (2:25)

Right? So thanks. BBC. Suck it. Okay. We're gonna call it kidnapped. We're also gonna talk about the legal ramifications of this. Judge Napolitano is gonna join us. First, we're gonna be joined by Congressman Thomas Massie. Then Judge Napolitano is gonna talk about the legal aspects of all of this being in the Southern district of New York. What does that look like? In fact, he just hired Julian Assange's attorney to plead not guilty this morning. So we're gonna talk about that.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (2:50)

Indeed. And we're gonna talk about the long history of the CIA's operations in Venezuela. This is not new. This is why the first page of the indictment makes me laugh about how, you know, Venezuela has flooded the United States with drugs. And I'm like, we did that. We did that on purpose. That's us. Like, what? Time to look inward. Right? What is the saying when they're. When you point the finger, there are four fingers pointing back at you. Yeah, that's what we're doing right now. So let's get into it. Before we get into all of that, though, we wann remind you about our friends over at Lear Capital. Because, hey, if you have been investing in precious metals, you are a happy camper. Because we know that the United States government, and in fact every government in all of history, has not been able to resist enriching themselves by devaluing their own currency. It is happening. More wars equals lower value of the currency. And that's what we need to be watching is obviously war, but also US debt and the value of the dollar. But gold and silver all the while have been rising predictably. So now Goldman Sachs is already predict predicting it will hit 4, $500 an ounce by this year. And in fact, hasn't it.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (3:54)

We were just 43. It said 4, 400 there. Yeah.

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Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (4:33)

Well, in the wake of Trump's bombing of Venezuela, a new phrase has emerged from the CIA loving influencer clash. You know, all the same guys that got those binders, the Epstein binders, you know, that's the same group. And that phrase is now MAGA is. Here's the headline. Heightens alarm. What Trump's Venezuela attack means for Iran and MAGA isolationists. Okay, you're a MAGA isolationist if you believe in George Washington's ethos that America should not entangle itself in the affairs of other countries. It's almost like these CIA loving influencers all got their talking points from one place. Watch.

Guest or Contributor (Ben) (5:08)

I've seen that there are a lot of people who are very, very upset, very upset on the so called isolationist. Right. People who have in the past, for example, suggested that the only people who would be against Nicolas Maduro's continued regime are Globo Homo. For example, something Tucker Carlson said, only Globo Homo would want Maduro ousted because he's supposedly a social conservative, which is not actually true. Well, I suppose the administration may have to explain to people like Tucker Carlson that in fact it was not Globo Homo that ousted Nicholas Maduro. It was a conservative Republican president, a gutsy president who makes the calls to preserve America's national security and her foreign interests, her interests in the Western hemisphere and her interests internationally, undercutting enemies of the United States ranging from Russia to China to Iran to Cuba.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (5:56)

Yeah, Okay. I love how he loves to mansplain everything to us. Thank you, Ben. Thank you for educating all of us about why we need to just depose foreign leaders. Okay. Notice how he just dropped Cuba in there as well. Like, just like slip that in there. Cause like, you know, those are the talking points right now. Because I guess that's next. The CIA's fantasy is coming true. So the talking points are being sent out amongst this class right now, the MAGA influencers, even warmonger Lindsey Graham, Senator Lindsey Graham. I shouldn't even dignify him with that title onboard Air Force One because I guess he's Trump's foreign policy advisor now. He says Cuba should be next. Watch.

Congressman Thomas Massie (6:33)

Could have done it. And as to this Commander in Chief, he did something people talked about doing. You just wait for Cuba. Cuba is a communist dictatorship that's killed priests and nuns. They've preyed on their own people. Their days are numbered.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (6:51)

Okay?

Congressman Thomas Massie (6:52)

We're going to wake up one day.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (6:53)

So I love how you're now Priests and nuns. But when Ukraine does it, we give them money. See how this works really makes a lot of sense to us. Right. And here, by the way, and Iran is next to. They had to pose with this photo. Here's the make Iran great again hat. This is not AI. Donald Trump signed that hat. So Iran, Cuba, Greenland, Colombia, what's next? Let's ask Congressman Thomas Massie, who's been hard at work trying to stop the regime change operations. Congressman, great to see you. Happy New Year.

Congressman Thomas Massie (7:26)

Good to see both of you. Yeah, I thought that was AI too. Or photoshopped that hat make our man great again. Give me a break.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (7:35)

It's unbelievable. So if we're being honest, I mean, MAGA was never isolationist. Right. The MAGA movement had been quietly co opted from the beginning by neocons deep state actors the entire time. So this idea of like MAGA isolationists, that you're somehow America first and you don't want us being entangled in foreign wars, that that's a problem. You're just like the word, you're just like the liberal left. How do you feel about that new term that's being floated around the past 24 hours?

Congressman Thomas Massie (8:06)

Yeah, I'm used to that pejorative. If you're a non interventionist, they jump right to isolationists. And by the way, I'm for free trade. I'm not an isolationist. And I just think it's crazy. There's a few things I got to get off my chest that I haven't tweeted about. Probably I've stayed out of trouble, but one of these things I want to talk to you about is they say that the narco terrorism is funded by the oil. This, Remember they, this all started out about the drugs. Right?

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (8:39)

Right.

Congressman Thomas Massie (8:39)

And then they're trying to attach it to the oil. And so they say, oh, the narco terrorism is funded by the oil. If there's one industry that probably doesn't need subsidies, I think it's the drug trade. Right. They're acting like it would otherwise not be profitable to sell cocaine unless you subsidized it with oil profits. And so we got to go after the oil too. Right.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (9:03)

It's like the ethanol lobby. Right?

Congressman Thomas Massie (9:04)

Okay, right, yeah, that's, that's, that's something. Yes, exactly. That I see. They keep slipping that in there, but once they do it two or three times, we just accept it and we don't go back. I want to plant a flag here and say, look, you know, the, the oil is not subsidizing the drug trade. The drug trade, I think is going to do just fine on its own with or without oil. It doesn't go up or down with the price of gasoline. I.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (9:35)

Go ahead.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (9:35)

Yeah.

Congressman Thomas Massie (9:36)

Sorry, I, Yeah, no, I'm in disbelief really, that we went, you were, you were saying, what do we call it? Is it a kidnapping? We just snatched a president and his wife. And I wonder what that conversation went like, you know, honey, do you want to go on this trip with me or would you rather stay at home? You know?

Guest or Contributor (Unidentified male) (9:55)

Right.

Congressman Thomas Massie (9:57)

This is crazy. And the other thing is they try to immediately, they try to characterize it as a law enforcement activity. And that's why they, you know, they try to say, well, we didn't need an act of Congress because this is law enforcement activity and the military was just there to support the law enforcement. But now they're pretending that our laws have jurisdiction in other countries. One of the four counts against Maduro, Firearms act of the United States, like, this is crazy.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (10:40)

Yeah.

Congressman Thomas Massie (10:41)

Obviously our laws don't have jurisdiction there.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (10:44)

Right. And so, you know, I look at this and I think there should be consequences for this. It would affect all of us because we are supporting it with our tax dollars, but there is no authority, there's no one above the United States, the international court we're not a part of, who can stop us. Isn't that something that keeps you up at night? It's been keeping me up at night. There's no consequences if, if a president.

Congressman Thomas Massie (11:10)

Has the power to snatch another president from his country, he's got the power to snatch any member of Congress like this. This also concerns me as well. You know, you've got my colleagues cheerleading the President on this, but he's, he is way off base constitutionally right now all the legal norms are out the window. They're claiming these legal things that even a three year old knows wouldn't work like that. You can't have laws in other countries that affect your jurisdiction ends at your borders. We know this. I joked with one of the gun groups, I said if Maduro had just paid the $200 tax stamp and got fingerprinted and sign off from local law enforcement, he could have possessed those machine gun and been in compliance with the 1934 MFA.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (12:03)

Right. You know what's interesting too is that Trump was the exact opposite on this position. Whether it was Libya, whether it was going in and snatching Gaddafi and sodomizing him with swords, whether it was toppling Saddam Hussein, which regardless of how you felt about Saddam Hussein, it was none of our business but was really keeping all of these sort of disparate bands together in Iraq and not causing the destabilization. In fact, he was asked about this and he was pretty emphatic that it cost us trillions of dollars and untold lives. Watch.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (12:36)

The world would be better off with Saddam Hussein 100% and Qaddafi in power 100%.

Guest or Contributor (Unidentified male) (12:41)

Now, as far as Assad is concerned.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (12:42)

What about the human rights abuses?

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (12:43)

Let's talk.

Guest or Contributor (Unidentified male) (12:44)

Well, you don't think they're happening now? They're worse now than they ever were. People are getting their heads chopped off. They're being drowned right now. They're far worse than they were ever under Saddam Hussein or Qaddafi and at all blew up around Hillary Clinton and around Barack Obama. It all blew up. Now one thing about Assad, not a good guy. I understand that we have to rebuild our country. Our country is falling to pieces. We have 19 trillion in debt. We have infrastructure that's a disaster. Our roadways, our airports, our schools, everything.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (13:16)

So what's left now?

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (13:18)

Who the hell is that?

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (13:19)

Yeah, who is that guy? 38.

Congressman Thomas Massie (13:21)

I want him back. That's the one. That's the version I want. That's the version I voted for. That's the version I thought we were getting. And you know people, some people are saying, oh, this is America first because this means we're going to have cheaper gasoline. Well, it is true that we're in Venezuela because of the oil. But here's the thing folks, they're calling it American oil. It's Venezuelan oil. And what happened is 20 years ago there were US companies, big oil conglomerates that had contracts to develop that oil and their contracts got canceled by a government that was two governments before Maduro. And so when they say we're going to get America's oil back. No, what they're trying to do is they're trying to get the oil for Exxon and Citgo and these other big companies. This is not going to be for Americans. They're going back to try. They're putting our soldiers lives at risk. They're turning a country upside down in order to make these oil companies more profitable. I've thought this is another thing about maga. What I signed up for was we're putting Americans first, not American corporations first. But right now these are basically, you know, we're acting, our military is acting as mercenaries and the vice president is admitting as such and so is the president. They're basically mercenaries to go in and steal this oil. For the United States to get it back or to make these contracts whole after 20 years. And here's the thing, you know I'll probably get in trouble for saying this too, but in Kentucky, if somebody were to squat on my farm and they could get away with it for seven years, they keep adverse and notorious possession of my property. The state of Kentucky says after seven years that's their property. Now because you went too long without getting it back. There is a statute of limitations on these things. You can't say, oh, we didn't like the way you ended our contract 20 years ago and so we're going to send our military in and take your oil from you. Doesn't work that way.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (15:38)

There's two books that I think are really worth reading if you want to understand how we get those contracts. The first is called the Hidden Hand of American Hegemony. And the second is Confessions of an Economic Hate Man. So those are not contracts that were ever on the up and up. If you look at the history of how we secure the petrodollar, how we came about, that we cheated, we promised other countries we wouldn't do that and we did that. And now we're pretending that we were always had a right to it. Now you mentioned the Vice President. So I'd like to put his tweet up because. Not that one, it seems to me. Do we have his tweet? Maybe we don't.

Congressman Thomas Massie (16:17)

That, yeah, I had it.

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (16:18)

Hang on, I'm getting it.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (16:19)

Okay. That he is tweeting from despair because he knows that this will cost him politically. I thought that he would know better that the country that sanctioned Venezuela's economy into poverty and flooded their region with CIA run drug routes would not be their savior. That seems pretty obvious to me. I thought he would know better. What do you read into the way he's excusing this?

Congressman Thomas Massie (16:47)

I again, this is. I want the other version of J.D. vance who was America first and would not have been for regime change. You know, J.D. vance was a non interventionist as a senator, he and I worked together on issues dealing with Ukraine. When you know the government was going to seize Russian assets like the United States was going to seize Russian assets and then use that to subsidize Ukraine. JD Vance and I came to the same conclusion. We said no, actually what you're doing, the only Russian assets there are in the United States are treasury bonds. What you're saying is you're going to default on the debt to Russia. And what's that going to say to the Other countries around the world, it's going to drive up interest rates, the price at which we borrow debt. If we default to Russia on the, on the debt that they own of ours. In any case, that was one of those things that J.D. vance and I worked on together. He was not for pouring more money into Ukraine and he was not for cheating other countries, regardless of how bad they might be, out of things that we legally were contracted to give them. So I am definitely disappointed in his attack on this. He's made, you know, and again, on the drug issue, they're trying to conflate fentanyl with cocaine and he's sort of been in that lane too of doing that. There are no charges of fentanyl against Maduro. It's all cocaine. I'm not saying one's better than the other, but fentanyl is the scourge that's killing our children right now. And it's, you know, cocaine is a problem too. But, you know, I know, I know a few MAGA people that use cocaine. I'm not one of them. But it's not fentanyl, right?

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (18:35)

Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (18:36)

Right. And if we're, we're looking squarely at China for fentanyl problems, of course, but we won't admit that. We'll blame it all on Venezuela. Of course. I want to pivot now to Epstein because you have been obviously on the vanguard leading this against the doj, trying to get the DOJ to comply. And they have just gone now, missed another deadline. We want to put up some documents here. So this just happened. This was, they missed the January 3rd deadline to. Can you unpack it for our audience? Yeah, yeah. What was the DoD supposed to do?

Congressman Thomas Massie (19:13)

Everybody knows, I think by now that they missed their 30 day deadline. The legislation that I co authored with Ro Khanna that we got passed, 427 to 1, 100 to 0 in the Senate and then the President signed it, gave them 30 days to release these files and it prescribed what they can redact and what they can't redact. But also within another 15 days at, at the, toward the end of that bill, they are required to give Congress a list. There it is, the highlighted part there, I believe they're required to give us a list of, of the redactions, why they redacted it, but also a list of the politicians who were on the list and they're not giving us that. So they've, they've missed their second deadline.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (20:03)

What recourse do you have now? What recourse do you have? Now they're violating the law.

Congressman Thomas Massie (20:08)

Yes. By the way, this is like Congress is a little bit like the Nintendo game where you try to save the princess and you. And you beat the, you know, the enemy, the monster, the boss. And they say, oh, the princess is in the next castle. I feel a little bit here like we. They said, okay, you gotta pass this law. You gotta get the president to sign it, you know, because we tried subpoenas, we tried oversight committee, and all of those castles that, you know, you beat the boss and, oh, you gotta go to the next castle. So now we've passed a law, and they're in defiance of the law. So what. What remedies do we have? Well, you could impeach Pam Bondi, and I think there's grounds for that. There's clearly grounds for that.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (20:57)

We've.

Congressman Thomas Massie (20:57)

We're drafting that right now. The problem is, you'd have to get it through the Senate if you want the remedy to actually happen. So it would apply pressure. But the other power that Congress has, there's. There's two things you could do. You could find her in contempt of Congress, especially now that they've missed this deadline to report to Congress. She's in contempt of Congress. But the problem with contempt is you refer it. Where do you refer it to? To the DOJ. You refer it to an attorney in D.C. they're not going to prosecute contempt. But there is another level of contempt called inherent contempt. Congress has the same power that the courts have. It's been 80 to 90 years since they last exercised it. We literally have the power to go put. To go arrest Pam Bondi for thumbing her nose at Congress for being in defiance of this law. It's called inherent contempt. And that may be the only remedy that we have, is to find her in inherent contempt. In fact, missing this second deadline. That's where they've really crossed the line in terms of giving us the legal standing to do that.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (22:10)

Unbelievable.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (22:11)

So. But you need support to do that, which you don't really have, do you?

Congressman Thomas Massie (22:17)

Well, for that, we didn't have. People said we didn't have support for the Epstein bill, so it would take every Democrat. I would presume they would be down for this. It would probably go down much like the Epstein file. Not the bill itself, which passed 427 to 1, but the signatures that were required to get the discharge petition, where we had four Republicans and all of the Democrats. Do we have support for that? I'm not sure. So we're exploring versions of inherent contempt that would have a fine associated with it. Legislation like that has been introduced into Congress before. The other thing you can do is to give her a grace period. Nobody really wants to arrest her. But if you said, look, okay, you missed the deadline, we're giving you 30 days, and then we're gonna fine you $10,000 a day for every day that you miss. And then six months out from there, we're sending the Sergeant at arms after you, who could arrest her. This is not.

Guest or Contributor (Ben) (23:22)

This.

Congressman Thomas Massie (23:23)

This is not some conspiracy thing or something that I'm making up. This is actual power of Congress that just hasn't been exercised, and I think it's long overdue.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (23:35)

Wow. Well, Godspeed to you, Congressman. And I guess you thought maybe, hey, this would be an easy year. We're going to slip into 2026, and, like an old man gets a cigar out and a pipe and a nice warm robe and you got a heavy plate.

Congressman Thomas Massie (23:53)

The reason I'm coming to you from my F250 truck and I left it running is. I mean, I guess gasoline's going to be free now that we've. We've taken over, you know, a third of the world's reserves.

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (24:05)

And I just. I just wonder where else we can get great discounts. I mean, like, is there a way, Is there somebody we can snatch to get, I don't know, like, a discount on baguettes? And, I mean, we can get bananas, cheddar somewhere.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (24:18)

Yeah.

Congressman Thomas Massie (24:18)

One other thing. I heard you guys talking about gold before our segment started. I looked up Venezuela's top three exports. The top export is oil. The second export is gases, having to do with refining and petroleum. And the third top export from Brazil is gold. So it might not just be about the oil. We'll see. People have talked about lithium and silver, but gold is actually their third biggest export.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (24:47)

And we know silver as well. And we know that Russia and China, right before the invasion, moved about $2 billion worth of silver out of Venezuela before the invasion happened. So, yeah, this chess table and what China is doing now, obviously, with export controls on silver and all these precious metals, like, the gloves are off. I mean, right now. And this is really in my mind about China. I don't want to put words in your mouth, Congressman, but, boy, everything is changing in 2026, that's for sure. Congressman, thank you so much for joining us. From the car.

Congressman Thomas Massie (25:18)

Thanks.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (25:19)

We appreciate it.

Congressman Thomas Massie (25:20)

From the truck?

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (25:21)

From the truck.

Congressman Thomas Massie (25:22)

It's still running. I'm waiting for some of that Crude. This is E85. It'll run on E15. I want to get one that'll run on Venezuela crude.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (25:30)

There you go.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (25:32)

Powerful conversion. I appreciate it, Congressman. Happy New Year to you. Thanks as always. Great to see you.

Congressman Thomas Massie (25:37)

You too.

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (25:37)

Bye.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (25:38)

Bye.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (25:38)

Wow.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (25:39)

Something I'd like for us to discuss. Maybe we don't need a guest to discuss. This is. We are aligned right now. If we took all the cultural wars out of this, I think liberals would see that MAGA is pissed about this. The independent voices, the anti war voices like us, are pissed. We have something in common. What are we gonna do about it? What? Let's not squander this moment. They can't lie to us like they did about Iraq. So what, you guys, let's get fired up.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (26:06)

But whatever happened to that America, the America party that we were hearing so much about? You know, what about the libertarian movement? What about the hundred million Americans who realize that this is one giant uni party that Congressman Massie always talks about? It's the Uni party.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (26:20)

I'm gonna start a party that's called Fuck it. And we will talk about no culture wars. I don't want to talk about abortion. I don't want to talk about welfare. It is only anti war. That's. Are you with me?

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (26:33)

Yeah.

Guest or Contributor (Ben) (26:34)

Yeah.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (26:34)

You think the name needs workshopping?

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (26:36)

Maybe we could workshop the name a little bit. Hey, where are you bringing the kids this weekend? We're going to the Fuck it rally this weekend with the kids.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (26:45)

I feel like I'm onto something.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (26:47)

I think you are. The f. Yeah, well, we'll figure that. We'll workshop something.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (26:50)

Okay.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (26:51)

All right. We got more news to get to. In fact, Judge Napolitano is going be to be joining us. I want to talk all about the legal aspects of bringing Nicolas Maduro and his wife to New York. In the Southern district of New York. And they pled guilty today. They've now hired the attorney for Julian Assange as their attorney. What does this mean? Why was this a police action and an arrest as the Congressman was just talking about here, using this weird old 1934 gun law. We're going to talk with the judge about all of that in moments. But first, first we want to tell you about our friends over at IQ Bar, because this is perfect to throw in your backpack for the kids. Back to school time right now, post holiday. This is a fantastic way to get them some protein or an exclusive snack right from a simple bar, which is fantastic. In fact, I want you to try out their ultimate sampler pack. It's a great way to try all of their IQ bars and flavors. You get nine IQ bars, eight IQ bars mix sticks, which allow you for perfect hydration as well. My son gets migraines and so we keep them in his backpack, so to kind of stave off migraine issues. And so that's fantastic for hydration immediately if he needs it. If he's at school and he starts getting like an aura and he starts, you know, his vision starts going, they're fantastic. They are packed with clean, delicious ingredients to keep you physically and mentally fit, like magnesium, lion's mane, and more. Start carrying IQ bars in your bag. Keep them in your car. They're perfect. They're perfect with protein and tons of fiber, no added sugar. We absolutely love them. So right now, text the text the word redacted to 64,000 to get 20% off all of the IQ bars, plus free shipping, message and data rates apply. Again, that's text the word redacted to 64604000 to get 20% off that 64,000 message and data rates may apply. C terms for details, we're also going.

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Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (30:11)

Yeah, it's like the way she says Tesla. Just let her say it incorrectly, okay? She's a Latina. Just don't step. Okay? Just back off.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (30:19)

This is also gonna be a part of my effort party.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (30:22)

Back off.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (30:23)

Well, don't correct me.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (30:25)

All eyes on the Southern District of New York where Venezuelan President Maduro and his wife are being held charged in that 25 page indictment this morning. They both pled not guilty to every charge. And we learn that Maduro actually also hired Julian Assange's lawyer, Barry Pollock. There he is. This is a pretty big deal, I think. And here you can see when the council entered that in. Barry Pollock is now his attorney. There you go. We have a lot of legal questions to unpack here. Like the choice of jurisdiction. What was like mysteriously absent from this indictment? Like no mention of fentanyl yet. That's why we were bombing all of these narco boats, because of fentanyl. So that's not in the indictment. And so much more for that we want to bring in someone who knows more about New York law than just about anyone. And that is Judge Andrew Napolitano, host of Judging Freedom and good friend of our show. Great to see you, Judge. Happy New Year to you.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (31:18)

It's a pleasure to be on with you guys. And I was listening to the conversation with the two of you and my longtime friend, Thomas Massie. And he is the personification of personal courage. Really, that's for sure. He really is also the personification of fidelity to the Constitution. Something about the water in Kentucky. Thomas Massie and Rand Paul.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (31:44)

It is crazy, right? I mean, it's so sad that we have to say this, that there's only like two voices, maybe three in Congress that we can like rally around and say they put the Constitution in America first and they don't want us bombing other countries. They don't want us invading and kidnapping leaders of foreign countries, no matter how like the CIA spins it to all their MAGA influencers that get binders. And all of that stuff just drives me nuts. It makes my skin crawl. And I'm so fed up with it. I wanna join Natalie's effort party cuz I'm so sick and tired of it. It really makes me furious.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (32:13)

Judge, I'm onto something, but talk me.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (32:15)

Down off the ledge. Judge. Southern District of New York. Why the hell is Maduro in New York?

Judge Andrew Napolitano (32:23)

Well, the Constitution says that if a crime was committed outside the United States States, that the person should be tried in the district in which they first set foot in the United States. So the feds actually can choose the location. For years, they were having people fly to Dulles because the Eastern District of Virginia has the highest conviction rate of any federal district court in the country. So I don't really know why they chose New York, but they obviously deliberated over this and specifically chose. Chose it. He landed not in JFK airport, which is, though, in New York City. It's not in the Eastern District. He landed in Westchester county at a very small airport called Stewart Airport. So they intentionally decided to bring him to the Eastern District, to the Southern District. Newark Airport is in New Jersey. LaGuardia Airport is not in the Southern District. JFK is not in the Southern District, only this little airport that they chose. So they chose it specifically. And I, I can't tell you why the laws are not different, because we're talking about federal laws. The attitude of the jurors are probably slightly more pro defense, slightly in Manhattan than they would be in Virginia, but they knew what they were doing, and this is what they. This is what they chose, and this is where the case will be. They also have a judge on their hands who's not particularly known to bend over backwards for the federal government, as most federal judges do. This judge, Alvin Hellerstein, doesn't carry any water for the federal government. And though I hope there won't be a trial, because he should be sent back home since he was kidnapped. But if there is a trial, the feds are not going to have an easy time, and the defendant's going to get a fair shake.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (34:31)

Now, what do you make of this indictment? I tried to follow it, and I was like, what, Mexico? Here? Colombia? What. What are we doing here? It was like a. A bad spy novel. I could.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (34:42)

I. I agree with you, Natalie. Even though this indictment was crafted by an experienced prosecutor, the same prosecutor who crafted the indictment of President Maduro In 2020, it. It's very. Looks like it was very hastily put together. I'm going to guess that main justice in D.C. told them something's going to happen very soon. We need a superseding indictment. And they just threw this thing together on the gun charge. It's inconceivable that he could be convicted of possessing a gun in Caracas, which is illegal in the US but legal for the president of the country to possess in Caracas. They also cite a statute that has largely been invalidated by the Supreme Court of the United States, the Firearms control act of 1934. So the firearms statute, there are two of them. One is the actual possession, and the other is conspiracy to possess. They should both be dismissed by Judge Hellerstein. Off the bat, we do have these jurisdictional issues. Even if the president says he wasn't the head of state because he didn't win the election, he was sworn in as the head of state, he exercised all the powers of the head of state. The legislative and judicial branches of his government recognized him as the head of state. None of these things was the case for Emmanuel Noriega, but all of them are the case for Nicolas Maduro. So he should enjoy that immunity. Moreover, in one of his more unguarded moments, of which there are very many these days, President Trump said on Sunday afternoon, this was an attack on a sovereign state. Well, that's a defense to the kidnapping, because if it was an attack on a sovereign state, a, it would require an act of war or otherwise authorization for the use of military force by the Congress, which they didn't get. And B, the head of that sovereign state is immune from prosecution for things that he did in his official governmental capacity, which is what President Trump was.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (37:11)

Let off for because the Supreme Court allowed certain charges against President Trump because he was acting in official capacity. So you would think this administration would know that. Don't you see the irony here? Or am I just making a joke?

Judge Andrew Napolitano (37:27)

If the immunity decision by the Supreme Court, one of its worst in the modern era. But if that decision were to be applied to Manuel Noriega, and I'm sure that his lawyers will make that argument, there's no case against him at all. Because in Latin America, these decisions whether to protect and cooperate with the CIA crafted mechanisms for distributing drugs, which the CIA is distributing. The decision whether or not to protect that is an official governmental decision immune from prosecution under the Supreme Court's immunity decision.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (38:15)

A friend of the show Kevin Shipp, has long said, we gotta get rid of the State's Secrets Act. And what a problem that is, because so the CIA can lay claim to the State Secrets Acts. Pam Bondi has now used it twice to basically say, we're not gonna. There's no discovery. Sorry, we're not even gonna bring this to a court case. State secrets. State secrets. Well, the CIA has been actively involved in Venezuela for more than a decade, at least largely. And according to the sources we've spoken to, this was all an CIA operation. They even knew that, even according to the New York Times, the CIA even knew the names of Maduro's pets, for crying out loud. There was no resistance at all. He was just basically handed over to the United States government. No bodyguards went to bat for him. Nothing. I mean, this was a CIA operation from top to bottom. So if this does go to trial, how will state secrets be implied here or put in place? And what sort of CIA backings will prevent anything from coming out in these proceedings? What do you think?

Judge Andrew Napolitano (39:19)

I agree with your colleague who says the statute should be abolished. And I would go even farther and say the whole doctrine which existed before the statute did, that the government can keep anything secret should be abolished. I mean, the whole state secret doctrine is based on a lie. It's a simple plane crash in which CIA agents were killed. And when their spouses sought to sue the government, the CIA refused even to acknowledge that their husbands were on the plane, much less where it was and what it was doing. And the Supreme Court upheld that nonsense. And from that has sprung decades of state secrets. And then eventually the statute. The statute was actually intended to, to allow a federal judge to pierce the state secrets or to permit certain limited amount of secrets to be handed over to, to defense counsel. But I think that Maduro is probably so familiar with what the CIA has been doing that the very threat to expose this during the course of litigation should be enough to terrify the government into working something out with them. I mean, the way you, you do this is to file a document with the court and do not file it under seal, because when a lawyer files something with the court, the lawyer is absolutely immune from what he says in the document. It can't be a prosecutor or civilly sued for what's on the document. So if his lawyers do that and reveal what the CIA has been doing, you'll terrify the government into realizing the, the mistakes that it's made. Look, I don't hold.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (41:14)

Do you think that Barry Pollock has, would do that? What kind of stock do you have in him?

Judge Andrew Napolitano (41:21)

I think he would do that. I think this is a career making case for him. His work for Julian Assange, while brilliant and effective, was limited to negotiating the plea agreement. But anybody who has Nicolas Maduro as a client and has an opportunity to make the case go away, either by threatening and scaring the government or by demonstrating to a very neutral and impartial jurist that this is an inappropriate prosecution, would. Would use every means available at his disposal to. To do that.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (42:01)

Well, that's exciting, right? That's.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (42:05)

Well, it would be exciting. It would be exciting. If the Trump administration and the neocons now controlling the president from Rubio and Hegseth, and of course, her husband and I know Pete very well from Rubio and. And Hegseth on down, learned a lesson that you can't get away with this. Congress is too weak to. To do anything. This was clearly an invasion intended to decapitate a government by removing the. The head of state. You mentioned that nobody died. There were actually 32 Cuban bodyguards who were murdered by US troops as they attempted to defend Maduro. Everybody else rolled over and played dead because they were probably bribed. I would imagine that the current and new administration in Caracas is seeking out those who were bribed and will prosecute them for treason.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (43:05)

Can I ask you.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (43:06)

Can I just please ask you a question? But I want to. I just want to say we're not rooting for Nicolas Maduro here to rule the world, but we are saying that we should be held accountable for what we have done in Venezuela. And if it takes a lawsuit to do it, that I am rooting for, go ahead.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (43:24)

Well, in the same way that we would want Mike Pompeo held accountable for trying to assassinate Julian Assange and an embassy. I mean, we have a Constitution in the United States. If you believe in the Constitution, you should be held accountable for that. If you want to declare war on a country, you need to go through Congress to do that. So that's what we're saying here.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (43:43)

When Secretary of State, National Security Advisor, Acting archivist. I think I'm missing one of his titles. Marco Rubo HEAD OF USAI ID When Marco Rubio was asked over the weekend, why didn't you go to Congress? He said, oh, that's easy. There's two reasons. First of all, Congress leaks, and the minute we went to them, somebody would have leaked it. And secondly, this was an emergency, and in an emergency, we don't have to go to Congress. Now, why didn't the interrogator say what was the emergency?

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (44:15)

Right.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (44:16)

An emergency is defined in a federal statute as a sudden and unexpected event which will more likely than not have an adverse effect on the American economy or American national security. What emergency was there? But that question was not pushed. I don't think he could have answered it.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (44:38)

Right, yeah, yeah, it's the fentanyl that's coming into the United States, which is a crock of shit anyway.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (44:43)

Nobody believes that this is about drugs. The jurors are not going to believe this is about drugs. This is about an effort to allow Marco Rubio's benefactor Paul Singer to recontrol Citgo and become more of a billionaire than he already is. And the President has friends in the same category.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (45:07)

Can I ask you. Go ahead. I was going to say, Judge, I just want to ask you, before we let you go about this indictment, are there any pieces of it that you think have teeth?

Judge Andrew Napolitano (45:18)

Well, it'll depend on what the, what the proofs are. The, the one about the guns, in my view, goes away immediately. So the big issue is, was he the head of a drug cartel and what proofs do they have? They're gonna have somebody who's going to say it and that person's going to have a lot of baggage because they're probably a drug dealer themselves. And so it'll depend upon whether the jury believes it. Usually when a bad guy turns state's evidence and testifies against a defendant, the jurors believe it no matter how bad the bad guy was. But it's going to depend on, on what, what evidence they have and out of whose mouth it comes. Look, if it's true, it's a horrific crime and it produced a lot of cocaine into the United States. On the other hand, if you're the President of Honduras who was convicted of distributing thousands of pounds of cocaine to the United States and sentenced to 48 years in jail, you get off scot free because you and the President have mutual friends.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (46:32)

Well, and let's be honest, the CIA is the facilitator of all of this into the United States. It's the largest facilitator of drugs into the United States. If we wanted to shut off that spigot, we could do it like that immediately. We could shut it down at the cd.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (46:48)

That is a defense which Emmanuel Noriega did not use. Yeah, but Maduro may very well use it and it may terrify the government. It'll certainly be an eye opener to the American public to have these things that you and I know has happened, that everybody in the government knows has happened, come out under oath in a public courtroom.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (47:10)

Yeah, it's possible though, because Noriega was best friends with the head of. Well, best friends. Right. He was close with the head of the CIA and he was a CIA asset until he became less useful, that he thought they were coming to save him, you know, that he left that out thinking that friendship would eventually pan out for him.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (47:30)

And yeah, CIA is great friends.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (47:32)

What is, yeah, what is the saying about making friends with the us all.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (47:36)

The senior military people that the CIA bribed in the past couple of months who were asleep figuratively and literally when Noriega was. Was kidnapped. Probably thought the CIA would save them. They will soon be incarcerated. Well, they will not where they will not be able to spend the money that the CIA bribed them with. And of course, bribery is a federal crime for the CIA to engage in, no matter where the money is paid. That money comes from the federal treasury.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (48:08)

Right. Well, and it's also a lot of the money that raised from their own drug trade. So they make a lot of money from the federal treasury and all of the drugs that they push on the American people. So the CIA, largely the most demonic evil organization maybe arguably in the history of the world. Judge, great to see you as always.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (48:26)

Thank you. Thank you.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (48:27)

Thank you for your astute analysis as always. And there was no one we wanted to speak to more about this than you. Thank you, Judge.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (48:33)

Anytime, guys. It's always a pleasure. Pleasure. All my best to both of you, your great show and your beautiful family.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (48:39)

Thank you so much. Good, Judge. Happy New Year to you. Thanks so much. All right, coming up on the show, we want to talk about if you might have noticed this, like, psychological operation, and this is really an intel operation, according to our sources. You might have seen the Internet flooded with a whole series of, like, pro Venezuelan videos over the past few days. Like all these Venezuelans pouring into the streets celebrating the capture and kidnapping by the CIA of their president. Turns out most of those videos, almost all of them, are fake or years old and have nothing to do with this. So why are all these, like, maga influencers pushing these videos? It's very interesting. We're going to unpack all of that. But first, but first, we want to tell you about our friends over at Ethos. That's right, because you want to protect your family with life insurance from Ethos. You want to get up to 3 million in coverage in as little as 10 minutes. It's super easy to do. All you need to do is go to ethos.com redacted. And look, if you have, if you try to purchase life insurance, you know how difficult it can be and what a pain it can be. And you want to protect your loved ones. And that's why Ethos does it so simply and easily. They make it very, very simple. For as little as 10 minutes, you can do this, just stand out right on the website. You can do free trusts and wills, all of it right there inside of the Ethos website. And look, when you bring a child into the world, your perspective changes overnight. Suddenly you're thinking about like, you know, child care, school, like all of the things, like the milestones that you can't wait to see. And for us, of course, loving your family means thinking about their future, even in the uncommon, comfortable ways, like, what if something happens to me? What if something happens to Natalie? Life insurance isn't a fun topic, but it's one you need to think about. And so glad that we found our friends at Ethos to make it easy. It's 100% online. It's fast, it's easy. You can get a quote in seconds, you can apply in minutes, and you can get day, same day coverage. Same day coverage. No medical exam. Just answer a few simple health questions. You can get up to $3 million in coverage. Some policies are as low as $30 a month. As of March 2025, Business Insider named Ethos the number one no medical exam instant life insurance provider. So I want you to check them out right now. Protect your family with life insurance for Ethos. Now by going to ethos.com redacted in as little as 10 minutes, you can get their free quote, up to $3 million in coverage. Ethos.com redacted application times and rates may vary, so check them out. How's everyone doing in the chat room today? Nice to see you guys. Small Falcon says you guys sound like Democrats. No, we're just America first conservatives. So if that sounds like Democrats, I don't know what world you're living in because of Democrats.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (51:30)

Don't bring partisan thinking here. You cannot think about American foreign policy through a partisan lens. Let that be your New Year's resolution to no longer be played by that dumb way of thinking.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (51:43)

Democrats and Republicans are the same. They are a uni party. So saying that someone's a Democrat, it's just the as as Colonel Towner Watkins likes to say on our show, it's the strategy of tension. It's trying to pit one side against the other. They are united. There is no daylight between Democrats and Republicans in Washington, D.C. 0. They are a uni party. That is it, full stop. So there's no difference at all. They're run by neocons. Both parties are run by neocons.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (52:11)

Technically, we are just studiers and we are anti war and that's pretty much it.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (52:17)

Yeah.

Guest or Contributor (David) (52:18)

You guys sound like a couple of libertarians.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (52:20)

Well, yeah. You know, it's so funny is that during the Biden administration, we got labeled as right wing extremists because we did not support Ukraine, among other things, and transgender ideology. So that gave us this far Right. Label. Which right we shrugged off. Who cares? Now that we're in the Trump years, I've seen through my X feed that I've been added to Twitter lists called extreme leftists.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (52:45)

How?

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (52:45)

I mean, come on. We are consistent. We are anti war and we are against foreign intervention, full stop. And so if you try to squeeze that through a partisan lens, it's going to be very confusing for you. Real.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (52:58)

All right, let's talk about this CIA secret op that's been running in Venezuela right now. If you were online, you're good.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (53:06)

Yeah, I just wanted my son to bring my study materials because we're.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (53:12)

All right.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (53:13)

Yeah, go ahead.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (53:14)

All right, well, if you were online over the past few days, you might have noticed something. Might have noticed a cleverly crafted psychological operation unfold MAGA influencers and random accounts sharing all kinds of fake or old videos. I wonder why that happens. Like who. Who gets the marching orders, sends it out. You know, when everyone's like tweeting the same thing, almost the same sentence structure, using the same videos. It's all very curious. Using old videos or even fake videos or AI videos purportedly showing happy Venezuelans who are taking to the streets by the thousands in celebration of the CIA's regime change operation in that country. Here are just a few examples of these fake videos or old videos. Here's Nick Shirley, who does some incredible journalism in Minnesota with the Somalis. Right. But tweets this. Wait a minute. The mainstream media lied to us again. People of Venezuela actually didn't like being ruled by narco terrorists. World cup style celebrations are erupting all across Venezuela at the moment. Congratulations to the people of Venezuela. But when he says World cup style celebrations, they actually were World cup style celebrations in celebration of soccer games. Football. So this is Miami. This is not Venezuela. This is at a Miami Gap station. Okay? World cup style. World cup style. I love the World cup style.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (54:53)

Yeah, exactly.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (54:54)

With no irony at all. Which is like they actually are soccer game, football game celebrations. But okay.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (55:02)

And it's so confusing that they're leaving them up. All of them are getting community noted. But leaving them up there. So whose rules are you playing by? If I were to tweet something false and yet community noted like that, I'd be really embarrassed and take it down.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (55:16)

Because Mark Twain isn't it. Go back to Mark Twain, Right? That. That a lie can travel halfway around the world before truth has a chance to put on his pants. And so how many people actually look at community notes like you and I look at community notes I'll ask our chat room. How many of you guys, like, look at community notes? Do you guys actually pay attention to them? Probably a lot of you do, but you guys are. You guys are badasses. You guys actually pay attention to the facts. But I think a lot of people do. They scroll through it and they're just seeing, oh, my God, Venezuelans are celebrating that Maduro's been captured by the CIA. And they're like, yeah, I guess that's true. And they don't really go a little layer deeper. And so that's why they're keeping them up there, because they're still getting thousands of views. Go ahead, David.

Guest or Contributor (David) (55:57)

Well, I was gonna say there's another Twain saying that it's easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled. So it's like, once you fool them, they know that's how propaganda works. You fool them, and then it's hard for everybody else to convince them that they've been fooled because they're not going to believe you.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (56:11)

Yeah. So many people in a chat room are like, yeah, I don't even look at community notes. I don't look at community notes. But other people are like, I read. I read. But it is crazy because this is happening. Here's another one. Here's another example from Tara Bull. And they all basically say the same thing, almost the same phrasing. This is exactly what the media doesn't want the world to see. Or they change it up a little bit and say the. This is exactly what the mainstream media doesn't want the world to see. They're all using almost exact same phrasing. And this video that she shared is. Can you put that one back up? Sorry, I was gonna read the community note there at the bottom. Yeah. This video shows students participating in the underwear run, which is a tradition at US Universities like UCLA or Chapman University, where they run in underwear to de stress before finals. It was a whole bunch of people. If you zoom down the video, you could see all these people running in their underwear in America has nothing to do with Venezuela. But Venezuela celebrates and Democrats cry.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (57:05)

But also this notion that if you don't like the fact that the US can abduct a foreign leader and indict them on thin charges and, you know, violate sovereignty, then you are pro Maduro. We've. How boring. We've seen this. If you're against the war, you love Putin. If you're against the war, you love Hamas. If you're against the war, you love Saddam. Stop it.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (57:31)

We are America.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (57:32)

Boring and tired.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (57:34)

How about this? We are America first. That's it. Full stop. Right. And keeping the interests of America in the like front and center. That's it. Our infrastructure is crumbling. The cities across America that are overrun with fentanyl, the CIA pumping drugs across the the United States. I mean, this has got to stop. So that's what we are. We are America First. Full stop. We're not neocons, we're not Lindsey Graham supporters of any kind.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (58:00)

But I think that what this last one we put up is that Democrats are crying. Well, Democrats hate everything that Trump did, no matter what.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (58:09)

Right.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (58:09)

And so that is. Okay, that's a valid distinction. That Democrats are not. They're just hating it because Trump did it. Maybe. Right. But you don't know. Maybe there are constitutionalist Democrats that forgot the Constitution during the Biden years. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. This is not, again, a partisan problem. We can unite and decide. We're not supposed to do this. We don't want to get away with this.

Guest or Contributor (David) (58:34)

Well, then the Democrats were the ones back in Juan Guaido and pushing for, you know. Right, so.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (58:40)

Right, right.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (58:41)

Yeah. Like a fake, you know, you install another puppet government there that no one actually wanted. Here's another one shared by many large accounts. This is Alex Jones sharing this one. He got hammered for this. He actually shared two different ones that he got hammered for. Video. He says millions of Venezuelans flooded the streets of Caracas and the other major cities in celebration of the ouster of communist dictator Nicolas Maduro. Now we need to see the same type of energy here on the home front. And as you can see at the bottom there, there's videos from anti Maduro protests back in July after the election. Has nothing to do with, with being captured by US Special Forces. And then this one was being shared all over again. The corporate media is refusing to cover Venezuelan celebrating around the world. There's now a total news blackout. Thank God for X. But of course, this video, as you can see in the community note, this video shows crowds celebrating, celebrating Argentina's 2022 FIFA World cup victory in Buenos Aires. Not Venezuelans reacting to recent news in Venezuela. But it keeps getting shared all over the place. And as Glenn Greenwald, journalist Glenn Greenwald said, he's like, you know, first, all of these, like, MAGA influencers that, you know, received these binders on Epstein, all of these, you know, like CIA loving assets or whatever, they, they were sharing all this content, all of these videos, and it's still up as Natalie was pointing out, now, as Glenn Greenwald pointed out, now you're actually starting to see real videos from real journalists on the ground in Venezuela covering large protests. And what are they saying? Well, here's one from a few hours ago. Watch.

J (60:18)

We're in downtown Caracas. A huge march stretched through the city today full of people who support Nicolas Maduro, who support the government, but also many people who don't. When Neri supported Nicolas, Madame Maduro. But what unite all of them, is that what happened? They find unacceptable. They simply cannot accept that America came, they bombed Caraca, their capital, they kidnapped Nicolas Maduro, and they thought that they could dominate Venezuela. What people here want to show is that they remain unbroken, that bombs and guns and jets won't break them. And that if the United States returns with the threatened military operation, that these people, they will resist. That the woman, the women, the men, even the children, they say will continue to resist. Resist. And they won't give up their homeland, they won't give up their minerals, their oil to Donald Trump.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (61:37)

Wow.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (61:37)

Well, that's exactly what that sign just said. Trump something conoce la fuerza de Venezuela. He will know the strength of Venezuela because we are not Americans and we don't tend intend to be. The only countries that really want American intervention is Israel and Ukraine. The, the rest of the, the rest of them are pretty much like Vancouver, Canada. No, thank you.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (61:59)

Vancouver, Canada. Right, right, yeah. Which has been totally overrun by East Indians and the Chinese. Vancouver is not like what it used to be for sure. So there's a uniting message in that from those people there. Like there were people that were like, not even fans of Maduro, but they came out because they're like, wait a minute, the CIA and Donald Trump bombed our country and now they're going to pilfer our minerals? Like, we don't like Maduro. You might like Maduro. And we're sort of coming together like that's what's happening. Like that's actually what's happening. I mean, I'm no fan of Maduro. I don't. But it's not my country. But my point is the United States shouldn't be involving itself, bombing, kidnapping world leaders and then taking over the administration of that country.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (62:45)

And there's a strong template that, hey, do you wanna be Yemen? Do you wanna be Syria? Do you wanna be Panama, Libya? Probably not. Probably they know what's coming for them. If this plan. What were you going to say, Philip?

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (62:59)

Well, so typically, like the, the CIA playbook is to you Know, like drum up some, like, artificial popular support and then get an uprising to take place and then come in and help them out. In this case, they didn't do that. And I think it's because they, they want absolute control in who gets elected. Like, they want to subvert any possibility of getting an elected leader in Venezuela because we may not like the outcome. And so I think that the reason they did it this way is because they can get the regime pain they want, but they don't have to worry about all of the democracy that comes later. They just get to put in a puppet.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (63:34)

Right.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (63:34)

That's why there was very little resistance. They were able to work. The CIA has been there for decades. We've covered extensively here on the show the CIA operations in Venezuela during the first Trump administration and how a group of special forces were killed as a result of the CIA's station there and what they did, did to those American servicemen. Of course, Jordan Godro, who blew the whistle on that operation, has basically gone missing, gone into hiding after he blew the whistle on our show. There's now a warrant out for his arrest. So. And the FBI is like looking for him.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (64:10)

Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (64:10)

Which is absolutely awful. But so they, the CIA has been actively there. And I think Philip's right. Like this normal sort of color revolution, Maidan coup, you know, Arab Spring, any sort of uprising color revolution that you're normally seeing is different this time. And maybe the CIA is changing its tune, but it's all out there in the public. We all see it. And so all of this social media posts by all these influencers who are posting old videos of like soccer tournament victories from two years ago, like, you have to ask yourself why, like, Glenn Greenwald posted an interesting tweet. He's like, this must make you feel really good about posting stuff you, you factually know is incorrect, but you're continuing to repost these fake posts with no recourse.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (64:53)

Well, what mostly this group of people have in common, not just MAGA apologists, but a lot of them received the Epstein Binders. A lot of them are in the new Pentagon press corps. So there are people who might have said things that made sense to you at some point and now they're going this direction and you're like, wait, we're pro government line now. How did this happen? That's the question, right? How did this in fact happen?

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (65:21)

Here's Glenn's tweet, if you can take that. Philip, absolutely fantastic bang up job from the independent media spreading mega viral fake videos to millions all to serve the government's war propaganda aims push putting. Putting corporate media to shame. Just keep retweeting these fake videos. Even if if false, they spread joy and purpose.

Guest or Contributor (David) (65:45)

One, where's all the disinformation campaigns that took down every. Anything about COVID and all this other stuff? But this is. This is fine. Like, there's probably no little Note under the YouTube video on. On these.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (65:56)

Well, I. I notice a lot of pro war in Venezuela in the chat today. Coming here and saying, no, no, this was justified. We had to do it. We love it. I'm so curious.

Guest or Contributor (David) (66:06)

It was only 90 minutes, right?

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (66:08)

Because our audience didn't believe the narrative about Ukraine, does not believe the narrative about Gaza, does not believe the narrative about Syria, Yemen. But this one they love. Welcome bots.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (66:19)

Right? That makes no sense. I love the Mossad, CIA, MI6 bots. Like, you know, when it's. If, you know, we're going live and we're going to be talking about the CIA's operation, and then suddenly like all these like, accounts pop in. And by the way, most of these accounts, like just started their accounts or they have no. No followers or anybody, and they're like, yeah, Monroe Doctrine. Monroe Doctrine. We needed to do this.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (66:41)

It's like, you're gonna lose followers. You guys are leftist. What? Okay, okay.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (66:48)

I'm happy to die on the hill of a U.S. constitution. That's a hill I'm happy to die on. Yeah, go ahead, Philip.

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (66:54)

And speaking of the Constitution, so presumably Venezuela has some document that outlines like secession. Like if the president is incapacitated or dies, who takes? How are we superseding that as well? By not allowing that to happen. Trying to find an interim president. Surely they have, you know, like we do. Most countries have had this, like, the lines of secession, like the plans for secession for thousands of years. And like, suddenly what, Venezuela doesn't have that? So we gotta find somebody to put in there. It's just. It's just so pitchy.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (67:31)

Yeah. Oh, it's great.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (67:32)

Beyond strange. Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (67:34)

And by the way, Thomas Massey tweeted that he was gonna be on our show. So, you know, he gets awesome. All of like the neocon haters that like, then jump in, they're like, oh, Massey, you know, we got to go. You know, it's like the. The maga. The maga neocon crowd. Those that are not actually America first, they are like Israel first. And they are really run by neocons.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (67:52)

Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (67:53)

26Tc545. That sounds like a real name. Says in the chat, redacted news can't see the big picture. Oh yeah we can. In fact, I did a whole deep dive video on it yesterday about how this, this is all about the global chess pieces that are being. China responded today and confirmed what I said in that video yesterday. They are going to bring about 10,000 lawyers now to the table to go after this. Because what this Belt and Road initiative agreements that they have with countries like Venezuela and other countries where they have massive port infrastructure and all of these agreements, oil for, For. For the port infrastructure, back and forth. This is all about US hegemony and the US dollar. This is all about Chinese versus the United States right now. Make no mistake about it. And the Arinco Oil belt, where China was sitting, which is Venezuela, is their number one provider of oil. 31% of all the export. It's one of their largest trading partners. And by the way, the moment we arrested or kidnapped Maduro, the Chinese delegation was in Caracas. They were there meeting, going to meet with Maduro later in the afternoon. What happened? Well, that meeting got canceled and the Chinese delegation was still there sitting there waiting to meet with Maduro. But guess what? He was been kidnapped by the United States. So this is all a much bigger story here. This is not about narco terrorism. This isn't about drugs at all.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (69:13)

And if you care about it, if you truly cared, like I see a lot of people, my family member died of an overdose. You know what? I'm gonna refer you to this book. Start back in the 1919s before you start saying dumb, because the people who really are running the drug wars are the CIA. So this book is by Alfred McCoy. He's been screaming this and nobody's been listening since at least the 70s. It's called the Politics of Heroin. No. So, no, you have it wrong. Please do not be duped by the US government propaganda that's trying to sell you a war. If you have not actually done the reading and just like, oh, yes, I'm. I'm against drugs. Try harder. Research more peel more onions back, please. I beg you.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (70:00)

Yeah, it's so infuriating. But people are like, what about smartmatic? What about smartmatic? And in the, in the voting machine, Smartmatic and Dominion.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (70:07)

Yes.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (70:08)

Yeah, that's a good piece of all of this, right?

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (70:10)

A piece of it for another day.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (70:12)

But that's the much bigger picture here is, is the geopolitical chess match right now with China and Russia, the petrodollar and the petrodollar and the collapse of it. So keep your eye on what's really at stake here. And I mean, China set off, I mean, well, first of all, when, and by the way, Donald Trump admitted this on Liberation Day, like that this was coming. He said it all out there in the open. People were kind of like shocked that he actually followed through with it with these massive tariffs. Right. So then the response from the Chinese side is export controls. It's like they're not going to send it, any of these minerals to us anymore. So then the United States, what are we going to do? We don't have these minerals. So right before the invasion, Russia and China got, took $2 billion of silver out of Venezuela right before the invasion. There's a reason that they did that because they didn't want the silver to fall into our hands. So this is all about precious minerals. This is all about the petrodollar and this is all about decoupling this World War II Bretton woods agreement. This is a total collapse and a rewriting of the post World War II or world order right now. So. And I don't know how it's all going to shake out because we're sort of grasping at straws right now.

Guest or Contributor (David) (71:19)

Well, yeah, it's like we're witnessing the collapse of an empire. I mean, this is the last ditch effort to save the dollar. I mean that's, that's because really the only thing that was holding it up was oil. And we're not getting the oil over there anymore because bricks is coming together. So it's like, okay, we, what are we going to do? Let's take the, the biggest producer of oil and we'll have all that and maybe we can save the dollar.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (71:38)

Yeah, right. Or we can back it by stablecoins and crypto. I mean, look, we are 30 trillion, $39 trillion in debt. The Chinese have all of the manufacturing. So I know Trump is trying to reshore this manufacturing in the United States. Wonderful. Absolutely. But it's not going to happen overnight. It's going to take years to do that. And in the meantime, all of the minerals and manufacturing and refining and all of the stuff that we relied on Russia and China and all of these other countries for the refining, like we still get the uranium from Russia, for crying out loud. We can sanction everything and then get their uranium still like it makes absolutely no sense. So we out, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Obama outsourced all of this stuff. And now you're seeing the chickens are coming home to roost right now. So it's not about narco terrorism. It's not about fentanyl. It's not about Maduro and some gun violation from 1934. It's a much bigger story than all of that.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (72:30)

And this is not anti American rhetoric. We don't want to play it this way. We as Americans don't want to cheat. We don't think we have to. We don't want to instate violence in other countries. We don't want to do it this way. We want to play it fair. But our government has sidestepped that again. The two books I mentioned at the beginning of the show, the Hidden Hand of American Hegemony. We cheated to get the petrodollar. Now we have to keep cheating to make that a thing. And Confessions of an Economic Hitman. We always cheat to get these oil deals. We don't wanna do that. We as patriots think we can do better, think we can do it on the up and up. We don't want people to die so that we can turn on the lights. And we don't want our kids to have savings that are worthless because the US dollar has been perverted.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (73:19)

Such NC player in the chat room can keeps posting the same thing over and over again hoping to get my attention. You got my attention. And maybe you're right. We'll ask the audience, do you think that this is as he says or NC player says, this is all a distraction from the Epstein files? All a distraction from the Epstein.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (73:33)

We talked about the Epstein files, my friend, at the beginning of the show.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (73:37)

No, but I'm raising the question though. Let's give an NC player. Is this invasion simultaneous with the DOJ deadline that Thomas Massie was mentioning? We had Thomas Massie on at the beginning of the show talking about the Epstein files. Like is it a cover for that? Do you guys, what do you guys think about that? I don't think I watched a. I.

Guest or Contributor (David) (73:58)

Watched a video where it was showing the seven cycles that like the Spanish, British, Roman, like all these empires went through seven cycles and they are all exactly the same. And it was how they all collapse and none of them thought they were going to collapse. And the US is in stage five of seven of a collapse maps. If you look at how it's. It's been throughout history, almost everyone in.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (74:18)

The chat room is saying no, that it's not the Epstein files. It's not a distraction from that. It's totally different. So most people in the chat room saying, no, it's not a distraction.

Guest or Contributor (David) (74:26)

Yeah, I, I agree. I think this is a desperate. I, yeah, I see this as desperate.

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (74:30)

I Think that, yeah. But I also feel that, like, the people that we're talking about have so little regard for human life that it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that's what it was. Sure, they'd feel completely justified in bombing, you know, whoever, wherever, just to accomplish their goal. So I wouldn't be surprised. But I don't think it's, I don't think they're specifically trying to hide that. But I, I, I remember who we had on the show was talking about, like, the fact that, that, that we sent the, the Pacific Fleet there. We had to do something. We, like at that point, we had no or not, but the Atlantic Fleet or whatever. I'm not a military guy. But once we sent them into those waters, we had to do something because we either turned around and left and looked weak. So, like, at that point, this became inevitable. And so that's why I don't think it's tied to the Epstein files. I think it's something else because we had to do something. In their logic.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (75:25)

10 Steps of Fascism by Wolf. We are at step 11. CB says this is much bigger than a rich man's list from 20 years ago. Oh, look, we want justice in the Epstein story, like, totally separate from this. But this is, to me, totally separate. This is, as David pointed out, like desperation as the US dollar is collapsing. As Colonel McGregor said yesterday on the show when I interviewed him, he said he's hearing from a number of sources who are in Switzerland. They've been coming together. Basically they're worried about a major collapse and they're trying to figure out how to stave off this economic collapse right now because it's coming. So, you know, take from that what you will, but the U.S. dollar sits at the center of it. 39 trillion. China is dumping U.S. treasuries. These governments do not want U.S. treasury bonds. Like, what's the benefit of having the U.S. dollar right now if it's not? Go ahead.

Guest or Contributor (David) (76:19)

Ron Paul's been warning about this for a long time, saying this is coming. I mean, he, you know, like, he, and he's right. Yeah, it's here.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (76:28)

Right?

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (76:29)

Well, Cuba, Iran are next, I'm sure. So that'll be up. And then we'll take over Greenland. So that's going to come as well. So all of these. Then Colombia, how many other countries are we going to invade next? But we'll see. Anyway, let us know your thoughts on this in the comments.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (76:42)

So those of you who are like, no, we needed to have done this, but you were against the World Health Organization and their, you know, anti sovereignty plan. I'm so curious about your consistency in thought. Like, you don't think sovereignty is a thing, but you, you did when the World Health Organization wanted to instate vaccine mandates across the board. So, yeah, if you're, you know, pro interventionalism, you're not gonna like it here that much. Cause it's gonna be a hard year, but we're gonna keep speaking out against it because, you know, it's a new.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (77:13)

Year, little constitution thing, the founding of the United States.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (77:17)

You're in trouble. Cause we had some rest over the break.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (77:20)

I did a lot of reading.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (77:21)

We, yeah, we have work to do, you guys.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (77:24)

We got a lot of work to do. There's a lot of tyranny out there. These demonic scumbags that are in the CIA and in the beltway, I mean, this is, I honestly think, like a battle right now between good and evil. And you're seeing a lot of these Satanists who have been now moved their power sources out and they're moving into Europe. And in a lot of the big cities across Europe, this is really, I believe, like right now, a battle between good and evil. And you have these evil individuals, people like Senator Lindsey Graham and these people who are bloodthirsty, evil people. And you have hardworking Americans who just want to provide for their families and they want to have their kids to be able to go to a park at the end of the day after a hard day of work and ride their bikes around and not be like, raped by illegal immigrants. We are really at a tipping point moment, and I think we all need to circle the wagons at the moment. That's my feeling on it.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (78:16)

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Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (79:55)

Yeah. I mean, if it challenges things on the facts, fine. You know, I don't. But emotionally I don't care about that. So again, America, the name calling or.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (80:03)

You'Re off base here.

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (80:06)

And that's I was just gonna say because as Natalie likes to point out. But if you're gonna, if you're gonna say something like redacted is missing the big picture. Okay, that is a statement. But it's so much better if you go redacted is missing the big picture because X, Y and Z is happening in abc.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (80:21)

Bam.

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (80:22)

That's something that can be addressed.

Guest or Contributor (Ben) (80:23)

Yeah.

Guest or Contributor (Philip) (80:24)

You know, like you like. So please, please put your answers in the form of statements.

Judge Andrew Napolitano (80:30)

I don't know.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (80:31)

Comments, please. Yeah.

Guest or Contributor (David) (80:34)

If you want to track disasters, watch our vacation schedule.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (80:39)

Right. Always. Every time we're off, we bomb a country.

Host 2 (Likely Natalie, co-host, female) (80:43)

Yeah.

Host 1 (Possibly a conservative commentator) (80:44)

So keep your eyes. We're getting ready to bomb Iran. So that's coming. And we're getting ready, of course, for Cuba as well. That's all going to be coming. So it's all gearing up for all of it very, very soon here. So, hey, thank you guys for subscribing to the channel. It's totally free to subscribe whether you're on Rumble, whether you're on X, whether you're on YouTube. It's free. Just follow or subscribe. And we're live every day at 4pm Eastern time. Thank you guys so much for being uncomfortable with us because it's not easy to be outside of the uni party. They come for you and they want to call you names and everything. So thank you guys for challenging the structure. We'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00pm Eastern Time. Have a great night.