BREAKING! FBI DIRECTOR DROPS BOMBSHELL, REVEALS HIDDEN 'BURN BAGS' AND MISSING EPSTEIN FOOTAGE

Summary

Podcast Summary: Redacted News Episode: BREAKING! FBI DIRECTOR DROPS BOMBSHELL, REVEALS HIDDEN 'BURN BAGS' AND MISSING EPSTEIN FOOTAGE
Release Date: July 30, 2025
Hosts: Clayton Morris & Natalie Morris

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I. FBI Disclosures and Transparency Issues

Overview:
The episode opens with Clayton Morris addressing recent revelations from the FBI, highlighting the discovery of "burn bags" containing sensitive documents and the resurfacing of a missing minute of footage related to Jeffrey Epstein. The hosts express skepticism about the FBI's transparency and question the government's true intentions regarding these disclosures.

Notable Quotes:

• Clayton Morris [00:04]: "New burn bag disclosures, the Cash Patel just dropped on Fox information that we now have the missing minute of footage from the Epstein security camera."
• Natalie Morris [00:47]: "I feel like a donkey. Yeah, I am tired of this. I want a full disclosure, not these little bits."

Discussion Points:

• Burn Bags: Clayton questions the FBI's use of burn bags, likening it to a "mini Watergate," suggesting a pattern of document destruction that undermines trust.
• Missing Epstein Footage: The hosts delve into the mystery of the missing minute of Epstein's cell footage, speculating on its whereabouts and the implications of its sudden discovery.
• Government Transparency: Both hosts express frustration over the perceived stonewalling of Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests by agencies like Judicial Watch, raising concerns about the government's commitment to transparency.

II. Ghislaine Maxwell's Testimony and Pardon Possibility

Overview:
The conversation shifts to Ghislaine Maxwell's potential testimony before Congress, contingent upon a pardon or immunity from President Trump. The hosts discuss the implications of Maxwell potentially revealing sensitive information about her connections and the broader Epstein case.

Notable Quotes:

• Clayton Morris [05:40]: "Someone put it in the wrong case. They put it in the Ace Ventura Pet Detective case instead of the original VHS cover."
• Mel K [07:34]: "We're dealing with this unraveling of a cover up. And at this point, what's scary is we're at the point where we're believing everything and nothing at the same time."

Discussion Points:

• Pardon Conditions: Maxwell's stipulation for immunity in exchange for testimony is analyzed, with speculation on how conservative influencers might react, potentially portraying her as a hero.
• Cover-Up Allegations: Mel K emphasizes the ongoing cover-up, suggesting that high-level officials within the CIA and DOJ may be involved, further complicating accountability.

III. Hostage Situation in Israel and Media Coverage

Overview:
Natalie Morris provides an in-depth analysis of the hostage situation stemming from October 7th, highlighting how initial offers for prisoner exchanges have been systematically buried by the media. She underscores the lack of transparency and the human cost of these hidden negotiations.

Notable Quotes:

• Natalie Morris [23:35]: "We have known this for decades. Here is a 1981 paper published in a law journal that documents how Israel routinely uses administrative detention to imprison Palestinians without charge."

Discussion Points:

• Prisoner Exchange Failures: The hosts discuss how Hamas initially offered to release all Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, a deal which Israel reportedly refused, prioritizing military action over humanitarian exchange.
• Administrative Detention: Natalie elaborates on Israel's use of administrative detention for Palestinians, citing historical and recent instances where individuals, including children, are held without trial, violating due process principles.

IV. Poland's Response to Ukrainian Refugees and Protests

Overview:
The episode explores Poland's recent surge in protests against Ukrainian refugees, linking it to broader issues of open borders and the strain on national resources. The hosts analyze Poland's vigilant stance compared to other European nations struggling under similar pressures.

Notable Quotes:

• Natalie Morris [32:05]: "One Ukrainian national tried to blow up a tenement building last week in Warsaw, which would have killed a lot of people. And Poland has had enough of this."

Discussion Points:

• Public Protests: The hosts discuss the public outcry in Poland against the influx of Ukrainian refugees, citing a recent bomb attempt in Warsaw as a catalyst for widespread protests.
• Economic and Social Strain: Analysis of Poland's improving economic indicators—rising currency and decreasing cost of living—as a contrast to their opposition to illegal immigration, particularly from Ukraine.

V. Discovery of Alien Life by DARPA Scientist and UFO Disclosure

Overview:
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing claims made by DARPA scientist Richard Bandurek about the existence of extraterrestrial life forms on Earth. The hosts bring in filmmaker James Fox to provide insights and advocate for governmental disclosure.

Notable Quotes:

• Richard Bandurek [43:36]: "These materials can cloak themselves, they can reassemble themselves and they can self-destruct themselves. And they’re intelligent life forms on top of that, not of this earth."
• James Fox [45:40]: "We need to create an environment that allows people like Ben Durek and Lou Elizondo to testify freely in open congressional hearings."

Discussion Points:

• Intelligent Extraterrestrial Particles: Richard Bandurek's assertions about intelligent materials scattered across Earth spark debate on their credibility and the technological implications.
• Government Disclosure: James Fox emphasizes the necessity for open congressional hearings to validate these claims, highlighting the importance of immunity for whistleblowers to ensure truthful testimony.
• Public Perception and Disinformation: The hosts discuss potential government strategies to distract the public from significant revelations, referencing historical disinformation efforts like the Robertson Panel.

VI. Ukraine's Conscription of Elderly into the Army

Overview:
The hosts critically examine Ukraine's new legislation allowing men aged 60 and above to enlist in the army, interpreting it as a sign of the country's military collapse and societal strain amid ongoing conflict.

Notable Quotes:

• Natalie Morris [34:01]: "If you think that this is acceptable, even if grandpa wants to, you should have respect as a society."
• Clayton Morris [36:18]: "They don't have anyone. So now we're going to reach up into the 60s and they're going to want to go and fight for what?"

Discussion Points:

• Legislative Changes: Analysis of President Zelensky's amendment permitting older men to serve, questioning the logistical feasibility and ethical implications of such a move.
• Military Effectiveness: Concerns about the lack of training and preparedness of elderly conscripts, drawing parallels to issues faced by the Israeli Defense Forces.
• Human Cost: The hosts emphasize the tragic reality of exploiting vulnerable populations for military purposes, arguing that this approach demonstrates a dire failing in Ukraine's defense strategy.

VII. Sea Drones and Their Military Implications

Overview:
Natalie Morris introduces the concept of sea drones—unmanned surface vessels equipped with surveillance and weaponry—and discusses the U.S. Navy's plans to integrate them into combat operations. The conversation highlights the potential risks and ethical dilemmas associated with autonomous military technology.

Notable Quotes:

• Natalie Morris [57:11]: "A sea drone is an unmanned surface vessel. It's like a ghost ship... designed to operate without a crew, carrying out missions ranging from surveillance to missile strikes."
• Philip [62:11]: "They never refuse illegal orders. And we don't really know who's controlling them because we don't really know who's controlling the military."

Discussion Points:

• Technological Advancement: The hosts explain how existing research vessels are being repurposed into armed drones, citing Ukraine's use of explosive sea drones against Russian warships as a precedent.
• Security Risks: Concerns about the vulnerability of sea drones to hacking and unauthorized control, potentially turning them into uncontrollable weapons.
• Ethical Considerations: Debate over the moral implications of deploying autonomous weapon systems that lack the capacity for judgment and can follow orders without question, increasing the risk of unlawful actions.

VIII. Concerns Over Technocracy and AI Surveillance

Overview:
The episode delves into broader fears surrounding the rise of technocracy, AI-driven surveillance, and the erosion of constitutional rights. The hosts express alarm over the potential for AI to facilitate pre-crime technologies and deepen governmental control over citizens.

Notable Quotes:

• Mel K [13:24]: "We're being distracted by all this salacious... while the tech bros are running DC."
• Natalie Morris [49:12]: "They are not entitled to know what's going on in our house, where we travel, what we do, what we buy. That is not America."

Discussion Points:

• Surveillance State: Discussion on how AI and advanced technologies are being integrated into everyday life, from customs surveillance at airports to AI-controlled infrastructure.
• Erosion of Rights: The hosts argue that increasing reliance on AI undermines fundamental freedoms, such as privacy and due process, paving the way for a totalitarian technocracy.
• Global Implications: Mel K highlights concerns about international collaborations that may compromise national sovereignty and individual liberties.

IX. Conclusion

Overview:
In the concluding segments, Clayton and Natalie Morris reiterate their commitment to independent journalism and encourage listeners to support their efforts. They briefly touch upon upcoming topics, including Poland's protests and advanced military technologies.

Notable Quotes:

• Clayton Morris [65:11]: "We are independent. We are not funded by any big tech bros or any biopharmaceutical complex or any investors. We are independent."

Final Remarks:
The hosts emphasize the importance of vigilance and continuous scrutiny of governmental actions to preserve truth and uphold constitutional rights.

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Transcript

[Clayton Morris]

Hey, everybody. Welcome into Redacted. I'm Clayton Morris.

[Natalie Morris]

I'm Natalie Morris.

[Clayton Morris]

Thank you for joining us on the show and thank you for subscribing and being a part of our amazing community here. We really appreciate it in the doldrums of summer. Right now we've got a busy show for you on this Wednesday. We are going to look at what all of these latest revelations come coming out of the FBI mean for you, for me, for the rest of America and transparency. New burn bag disclosures, the cash Patel just dropped on Fox information that we now have the missing minute of footage from the Epstein security camera. But why are they also stonewalling Freedom of Information act requests for the likes of like Judicial Watch and others? So how transparent is this government being? Or are they just using like a carrot as Natalie was saying earlier today in our conversations, like just sort of dragging us along?

[Natalie Morris]

I feel like a donkey. Yeah, I am tired of this. I want a full disclosure, not these little bits. So we're gonna talk to an expert about that. We're also gonna talk about the history of the hostages from October 7th that has been largely buried on the Internet, absent from the American press. This that we are not told. But we're gonna talk about it here before history is erased, 1984 style.

[Clayton Morris]

We're also gonna talk about Poland today because why if you got tales, it's very interesting if you dive into the data right now about Europe. Europe is obviously collapsing under the weight of open borders policies, but Poland is fighting back. Poland, their currency is rising. Their cost of living has been decreasing. They're saying no to all of these illegal immigrants, particularly the Ukrainian immigrants have flooded their streets. A bomb attempt was made last week inside of Warsaw, Poland and protests have erupted across that country saying enough is enough. We want our country back. So we're going to look, we're going to look at that. We're also going to talk about alien life discovered by darpa. DARPA scientist. This has gone viral. James Fox is going to be joining us to talk about this. Why is Congress not calling on this scientist to get answers about this intelligent life elsewhere? So all of that and more as the show starts right now.

[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

Well, a lot of new revelations this morning. So a lot of new news coming out of the FBI, but is it new or are they just dragging us along by the nose? Let know in the comments below. Well, the FBI is suddenly finding a lot of new things, a lot of missing things. Like things they lost in their couch cushions, I guess. This morning FBI director Cash Patel once again told Fox News that they found once hidden burn bags filled with incredible information. Burn bags.

[Natalie Morris]

Let me just. Is that a real thing? And also why would the FBI have it? What is it that they need to burn ever?

[Clayton Morris]

I don't know.

[Natalie Morris]

Is it standard practice that the FBI should ever burn evidence? Under what circumstances?

[Clayton Morris]

No, I mean, I don't know if it's standard practice. I wish I was an FBI agent, I could answer that question. I mean isn't that.

[Natalie Morris]

I don't stretch our imagination. Under what circumstances would we be burning things if we are investigators for the government. Go ahead, Philip.

[Clayton Morris]

I was just saying isn't that kind of like a mini Watergate? Like they got in trouble for destroying documents like we their documents should never be. If you're going to be transparent, they should never be destroyed.

[Mel K]

Right.

[Natalie Morris]

Again, we're not experts here. We, we read these investigations all the time. I just Want to know if we can stretch our imagination and say, under what circumstances would it be appropriate for the government to ever burn things? Evidence.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, I found them. So apparently they weren't burned, but they were kept in these bags. I don't know. Of course, he told Fox News that. Of course. So we're also learning the FBI suddenly found the missing minute of prison video footage outside of Jeffrey Epstein's cell. Where that minute go? Where was it hiding? Was it in one of those burn bags?

[Natalie Morris]

Under what circumstances should we be editing videos? Under what?

[Clayton Morris]

Hang on, though.

[Philip]

They found the missing minute, right? Was this on, like, what freaking 8 millimeter, like, video reel? Was it, like, on the cutting room floor? It was digitally removed.

[Clayton Morris]

It was a VHS tape that said missing minute. And they're like, oh, my God, it was on our shelf the whole time. The missing minute of video footage was on this VHS tape. You know what? Someone put it in the wrong case. They put it in the Ace Ventura Pet Detective case instead of the original VHS cover. So where'd that minute go? Was it also in a burn bag somewhere? How did they suddenly find it? Well, more on that in a second. Meanwhile, Ghislaine Maxwell says she'll testify in front of Congress if Trump frees her immunity. All of that gives her a pardon. He was asked that question. Watch. Would you consider a pardon or a commutation for Ghislaine Maxwell? It's something I haven't thought about. It's really something I recommended.

[Natalie Morris]

It's something I'm allowed to do it.

[Clayton Morris]

But it's something I have not thought about. But you wouldn't rule it out, sir. President.

[James Fox]

Why hasn't it.

[Clayton Morris]

Mr. President, why has the dollar. Yeah. So conservative influencers, though, seem to be embracing this idea already, maybe painting her as a bit of a potential hero. Some are predicting, like, this is how it'll go down in conservative influencer circles, maybe MAGA circles specifically. Here's how it'll go down, this meme. Ghislaine names a bunch of Democrats, maybe tosses in a few billionaires. She. She says Trump did nothing wrong. MAGA praises her for taking down the pedophiles. Trump pardons her for telling the truth. Well, Mel K. Is the host of the Mel K. Show on Rumble, the author of Americans Anonymous, Restoring Power to the People One citizen at a time. Mel has been covering this deeply on her show, and she joins us now to unpack all of this. Mel, great to see you.

[Mel K]

Great to see you guys. Thank you for having me.

[Clayton Morris]

So let's unpack A couple of these things. The news of the day here. I just first want to get your take on Kash Patel's found, you know, found thousands of sensitive Trump Russia probe documents inside burn bags in secret rooms at the FBI. And he's turned these documents now over to the Senate Judiciary Committee. What do you make of that news, Mel?

[Mel K]

Well, I find all of this very disheartening and unbelievable because so many of these people that were inside, particularly the CIA and other other people around Trump the first term, had to have been involved in all of this, particularly Pompeo, Gina Haspel, a lot of the lawyers. So to me, what we're dealing with is this unraveling of a cover up. And it has been one cover up after another cover up. And at this point, what's scary and what should concern us all is we are at the point where we're believing everything and nothing at the same time, where everyone thinks everything is possible and nothing is true. And that's a recipe for walking straight into totalitarian technocracy when people are being constantly given new information that seems implausible and impossible, yet we have to accept it because we're getting no evidence handed to us of what was in this there. And then, of course, all of this connects back to one group of people who have not been held accountable ever. And most people have no hope that they will be. So every new revelation is getting people's hopes up and then nothing. And I understand Dem Bongino and everyone saying, you know, the swamp is deep and thick, but they're not even firing people that were involved at the FBI or DOJ or the CIA. The firing at the CIA of people that worked for Brennan, Brennan was the one who promoted 12 years. They, they still have a lot of loyalty in there. Brennan and Comey and all of them. And at the same time, they're finding new things every other day and we're still not seeing accountability. And I think it's really disorienting for people on a grand scale.

[Natalie Morris]

What do you think it really is? It feels like a carrot. Like we're just like, okay, that, yeah, what do we make of that? And that? And we're supposed to believe that in some FBI supply room they have readily available burn bags for when they want to burn evidence. Or someone in the chat says, no, it's anti fire bags. We don't know like, under what circumstances should the FBI ever do this? And in your experience of trying to uncover these things, most of this is not paper. There's no actual paper trail yes.

[Mel K]

So, and that's been the hardest believe.

[Natalie Morris]

That the, that Hillary Clinton was like, let me write this down. Okay, Exactly.

[Mel K]

I mean, it's, it's outlandish. Also, the whole idea that there's a list of Epstein's clients is, is that's not fathomable. That's not how things work in this world. And again, it's all connected. The one thing that is, is most disturbing to me at this, at this particular time is that a lot of things are being implemented while we're being distracted. And I really am at a point where watching the implementation of technology, particularly AI, what, what could possibly end up being pre crime AI technology. And nobody's really talking about all of these moves that are happening while we are all looking at the Epstein case or we're looking at Ghislaine Maxwell and he's interviewing her. Are you telling me that nobody interviewed her before she went to jail? She was never offered a deal. I always thought, why wasn't Weinstein offered a deal? Why wasn't Maxwell offered a deal? Why weren't these people offered deals when they were arrested? And now we're supposed to believe that they never spoke to her until because.

[Clayton Morris]

Of social media, like now they're just talking to her because there's like social media backlash against the lack of Epstein files. Now she's speaking and now she might want to get a pardon. She'll need immunity and come forward and.

[Natalie Morris]

Tell her, well, actually, let's make the details clear here, because in her appeal to the Supreme Court, she's not saying she was innocent. She's saying she should have benefited from the immunity that the government gave Epstein in 2007 for her co conspirators and future crimes. She's saying she should still benefit from that, but she didn't because of media interest. So never hear is she saying that she was innocent? Right, right.

[Mel K]

And don't forget there were multiple other women involved, that their names are out there too, that were also procurers, that were also basically madams. But honestly, you have to think to yourself, so you're telling me, I mean, did they offer Diddy a deal if he gave names? Or Weinstein or Ma? Well, it doesn't make sense. And there is a theory out there that Maxwell did make a deal a long time ago that she was never going to serve her full sentence and her family's very, very powerful. All I know is that what it's doing is it's throwing the people of the United States off balance so much that we are not seeing the real threats that are coming through with this new. Basically they're going to turn the Patriot act on steroids with AI and in America again we have a constitution and a bill of rights. And basically they're saying, forget unreason, search and seizure, probable cause, warrants. All of this stuff is going out the window because of this new problem. So to me, I just feel like the American people should be really fed up with the news cycle and the lack of resolve to have any accountability, responsibility or truth out there, while at the same time we're seeing the tech bros basically are running dc. So to me there's so much going on and yet the real issues which are to me, technocracy, which is of course the end goal of the globalists is being built right before us while, you know, nothing's coming to fruition. And people every day are like waiting, like you said, for the carrot and the stick and we're walking forward and before we know it, you know, it's an all of government AI takeover. And people are just like, you know, out to lunch worrying about, you know, when are we going to get some justice for a crossfire hurricane. Oh wait, now we're all on the track and trace surveillance system. And that's really what's bothering me about all of this.

[Clayton Morris]

I mean, just go to the airport, for crying out loud, and you see this disturbing new trend. I mean, you have no choice. By the time you reach the plane or your gate, see the signs from customs and border protection that you are now being surveilled. You're going into a database. Don't worry though, they're gonna delete your pictures and all of that. I think you're bringing up a great point here. So this sort of drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip of information, like, oh, now the FBI suddenly found another minute of footage. The missing minute of footage. Now we find burn bags. It's like every few days we're getting like a little drip, drip, drip. Do you think we're being presented with limited hangouts so that we are totally focused on this story and we're missing the whole Palantir government collusion with big tech bros behind the scenes.

[Mel K]

Unfortunately, I do. I was just in D.C. and I'm telling you, the big tech bros have a lot more power than people think, particularly in multiple agencies. And now, you know, you remember what happened when the all of government DEI program kicked off with Susan Rice under the Auto Pen Biden presidency. Now it's an all of government AI program. And the other problem Is okay, so we get back our sovereign border, north and northern and southern borders. Great. I'm not so concerned about that. I'm concerned about the border and cyberspace and the global public infrastructure, and that the people that are working with the DOD and the government to install all of this AI also have deals with China and the EU and NATO, which shouldn't exist. And at all this time, we're being distracted by all this salacious. Where we want to see this, we want to see that. And people aren't questioning where's the Constitution and the Bill of Rights in all of the. In the. All of government. AI and like you said, you know, at the airport, people are going into foreign countries, and when they're going in through customs, they already know who they are. How is that happening in Europe for American citizens if we're not on the global public infrastructure that is worldwide? So I really do think that we have to take a step back and realize the distraction may very well be a ability and that and the chance for a technocratic age, as per Brzezinski and Kissinger talked about for decades. Decades. And here we are. And that is my fear right now, that people aren't pushing back on their rights. The government in the United States of America is not entitled to our data. They. They are not entitled to know what's going on in our house, where we travel, what we do, what we buy. That that is not America. That's antithetical to the whole point of America. And yet every single day, I feel more and more of it is being ripped up. Our rights, our Constitution, our inalienable rights, because we have to be more efficient in the government. And I just see 2.2track here, and one to me, seems like a full distraction, and the other one is very dangerous for this country and the world.

[Natalie Morris]

What do you make of the schizophrenic nature of the American media now, which suddenly continues to give us these indications that Trump had a relationship with Epstein, that he was in this birthday book, that he. I mean, we saw messages from him in lawsuits in Florida. And so it's not news to us that Trump was an Epstein associate. And yet the media has yet to prove anything substantive. And so they're again baiting us with these indications. That's not new to those of us who have followed Epstein. What are they doing with this? And will there be a shoe to drop? Or is this what the media is trying to latch onto?

[Mel K]

Well, I think what we really have to understand is that Jeffrey Epstein's reach was Far and wide. Not just into transhumanism and all of that, but. But he was having events on his island for the biggest and best scientists in the world. I'm not talking about, like, small people. I'm talking about the people that created the Human Genome Project, people that were Nobel laureates. He was having all these crypto people that way before anyone even heard of crypto. He was having these mind conferences. And then he was also funding the EDGE conferences and the billionaire dinners through Brockman, who is an agent for, you know, the biggest and best science superstars that write books and textbooks and all this stuff. So what. What I think we're dealing with is that this elite class of academics, particularly, I think the biggest fault is shoe to drop for Epstein. And in my mind, I think he worked for the international banking cartel all the way up to the bank of International Settlements, the central banks, all of that. And so many people on that level are connected here and did go to that island. I mean, did. It's. They had the mind. I think it was called, like the Minecraft convention. You go look at that, you'll be like, oh, my God. Mit, Harvard, Cambridge, Princeton. So I think that there's an entire class of both science, technology and finance that is aligned with Epstein that they're not talking about, but they are talking about Donald Trump, where I assure you, if there was anything there, we would have seen it a long time ago. And now there's the whole question of, well, if they can't show us the real footage, what was that about? So to me, they're protecting people, but I don't think it's the celebrities or the media people, people. I think it's the scientists and the finance people that are on the global public private partnership that go to Davos and Bilderberg and the BIS conferences. I think the situation with him is very different than what people were led to believe. So, you know, throw them some chum about Donald Trump or celebrities and. And they'll eat that up. Where at the meantime, I think we're talking about, you know, weapons, you know, transhumanism, all kinds of things that would be exposed and the people would be exposed. And like Trump said, well, maybe not everyone's guilty. Well, who cares? Let's just find out what was going on and then we can find out, you know, who. Who should be held accountable. But I think this is about protecting, again, the science. Don't forget, Jeffrey Epstein was very involved in everything that led to Covid as well. He was a member of the Trilateral commission, a member of the Rockefeller Institute, a member of the Council of Foreign Relations at the top. So, again, this is international, global situation. And I think it's a big distraction. Waiting for some list of Hollywood celebrities that don't matter. I, I think it' people that really matter that are pulling the strings right now. And those are people that run international finance.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. All the really powerful pedophiles and all the really powerful scientists and all of these really powerful people, they're all from. It doesn't matter if you're left or right. They're all involved in this. And that's probably why we're never going to see this information. And meanwhile. Yeah, this technocratic state is being built behind the scenes.

[Natalie Morris]

Atrex, have you ever read the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman?

[Mel K]

Oh, it's the best. I tell everyone to read it. Exactly.

[Natalie Morris]

It feels very much like that was Jeffrey Epstein's shtick, which means it's not any one government, it's many governments. So, yeah, I feel like that's, that's the best way to look at this template. He was that.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie Morris]

So.

[Mel K]

Oh, a thousand percent. Just look at everything he invested. It's, it's all over the place at the highest, highest, highest level, even above our government comments.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

All right, Mel K. Great to see you as always. Thank you so much for joining us and sharing your insights on this. And I think. Yeah, we're being played. We're being played once again. Mel, great to see you. Thank you so much.

[Mel K]

Well, thank you, guys. Thanks for being the best out there. I appreciate it. Thanks.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, you're so.

[Natalie Morris]

No, you're the best. Stop it.

[Clayton Morris]

Stop it. Thanks, Mel.

[Mel K]

All right, guys.

[Clayton Morris]

All right. Coming up here on the show, we are going to talk about the. Why are there a race, this history about the hostage situation in Israel, like, why they play with these numbers? Why do they make up phony information? As John Mearsheimer just pointed out on Tucker's show, It was a fascinating interview. If you've not read the Israel Lobby, a fantastic book written by John Mearsheimer, he talks about the rewriting of history. It's intentional. So if you're suddenly like, wait a minute, these numbers, they're being erased from the Internet, like, where's this information anymore? It's intentional. They don't want, you know, they don't want you to know this information. So we're gonna talk about that while we still.

[Natalie Morris]

Okay.

[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

Getsol.com well, here's the history of October 7th that has been buried on the Internet. It is a convenient rewriting of the war Gaza and October 7. And it allows for supporters of Israel to say, well, just give us back the hostages and this war will end. The truth is that Israel has many times offered to or declined to take their hostages back when Hamas offered and that Hamas originally offered all hostages back in exchange for their hostages that Israel had and Israel refused. The phrase all for all seems to be buried on the Internet. What it refers to is Hamas's early offer to release all Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners, many of whom I want to say were hostages. And I'm going to prove that in a second. And that has virtually disappeared from English language media and archives. So if you look around for proof of this all for all prisoners swap that it was Hamas's original demand. It's hard to find now, but it was widely circulated in Eastern Press in 2023, although very few American outlets picked it up. Prob because it highlights Israel's practice of detaining Palestinians without cause, most of them children. And it detracted from the truth that Israel was not in good faith acting to get their own hostages back. Now let's go through this inconvenient recent history before it's gone 1984 style. Prior to October 7, Israel had approximately 5,000 political prisoners that were Palestinians, many of them women or children that were held without trial or charge and many of whom claimed to have been Vincent victims, and this is documented of sexual abuse while in prison. Now Hamas wanted them back in exchange for captured Israelis and the Netanyahu government refused several times. Now, right after October 7th, this was reported in Israeli press outlets as well. This is ynet saying that all for all was the original deal. Israel rejected this because they said this was their claim. We can't trust Hamas. Hamas. So imagine you're a family member of a hostage and the Israeli government won't at least try a full prisoner extra exchange, a full hostage exchange. It's not that hard to trust that this goes right, have all your people out in the open. If your people are not released, you don't do it. But instead Israel said that won't work. We need to put military pressure on Hamas. Well now, two years later, we understand what that meant. That meant they wanted their military operation far more than they wanted their hostage hostages. Clearly, families of the hostages confirmed that the Netanyahu government refused when Hamas offered them all as recently as our or as soon after the war as October 9th. Here's the coverage of this again from the Times of Israel. The families say that the Netanyahu government refused to agree to the hostage release in the immediate aftermath of October 7th. Take a look at this quote from hostage family representative. We found out that hamas offered on October 9th or 10th to release all the Civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Gaza Strip. But the government rejected that offer. So don't tell me that this can end if Hamas gives all the hostages back when this has been on the table all along. Now, let's talk about those Palestinian prisoners for a minute. Some jerks on X are telling me these are all convicted criminals. Criminals. Clearly these people don't understand Israel's detention policies. So I'm going to tell you, maybe some of them were criminals. But Israel does not ever have to produce proof of that. Because just like when Obama adopted the rationale of any Arab boy past puberty could be droned and killed under the excuse that they were probably or could have been a combatant, we should universally reject that. You wouldn't accept that for your family or your government. Long before October 7th 7th, Israel practiced what is called administrative detention to detain Palestinians for months or years without charge, trial or conviction. We have known this for decades. Here is a 1981 paper published in a law journal that documents how Israel routinely uses administrative detention to imprison Palestinians without charge, trial or conviction based on oftentimes secret evidence or hearsay. The accused cannot refute the evidence because they are never allowed allowed to see it. This article warns that such indefinite detentions violate core principles of due process and rule of law. And we have known this for over 40 years and this has not changed. I meant to bring. I brought the wrong screenshot that that is not changed. In 2022, you can look up a journal article called the Decline of Habeas Corpus in Israel, where legal scholars continue to lay out how easy Israel still does this and denies fair trial to the Palestinians. It is still happening. Now, the American press was willing to admit this prior to 2023. Here's a 2019 article about a video that went viral where an IDF soldier went to an elementary school to detain this 9 year old boy who they say was throwing rocks. And in the video, the teacher tries to prevent the detainee of her student and the soldier threatens to break her arm. This was not unusual at the time. And in fact, Vox admitted that Israel was doing this to the tune of between 500 and 700 children per year. Children detained by Israel. Now that was clear. We saw evidence of this when the prisoner exchange eventually did happen. Many of them were in fact fact women and children. Now when we point this out, people say probably, you know, women and children can be criminals too. Of course they can. This should not be controversial. This should not be at all something we have to Guess at. Either they're convicted with proof or they're not. If some government took your child, accused them of throwing rocks, gave you no evidence, no right to a lawyer, did not inform you of the charges, showed no evidence, and they then continuously renewed the detention indefinitely, how would you feel? And are we for that if we support Israel? I'm against that on behalf of every government. No government should be able to do that. That doesn't mean I support terror. That means I think that that also is terror. People want to argue with me on X saying that they, oh, those are probably all criminals. Like this person saying it's a fair game. Guess that most of those Palestinians that Israel had in their charges were criminals. And I'm saying probably they are criminals is not a standard of justice that any of us should accept. It is a rationalization for injustice. You would not want that for your family. That logic would never be acceptable if it was applied to us. So, of course we don't support Hamas, we don't support the Net Netanyahu government. We support the civilians on both sides. None of them should ever have been dragged into this, full stop. So these people saying that, oh, you know, we just want the hostages back, that's what the Netanyahu government is after. That has been disproven. That's not true. They didn't. They wanted the war more than they wanted their own people. I think that evidence is clear now. So that's no longer a rationale to support this war. So let me know what you think of that.

[Clayton Morris]

Please do in the comments below. Thank you guys for subscribing. Do we have sound problems here? Do we? And I heard someone saying we had some sound problems in the chat we have. Is a voice not matching Natalie's lip movements? Can you just refresh, guys? Just like refresh your browser? Is that just on YouTube? Are people on Rumble having that issue? I don't know. Philip, David, can you guys hear us at all?

[Natalie Morris]

Tension indefinitely.

[Clayton Morris]

Looks good here. Everything looks good. Sound is great. Okay. Other people say, no sound is great. Okay. Yeah. If you ever have a problem, you're watching YouTube, just hit the refresh button. And maybe it's your browser or your Internet or something.

[Natalie Morris]

Oh, somebody's cutting out, but okay.

[Clayton Morris]

Coming up, we're going to talk about Poland erupting in protest. Why are the Polish people fed up with all the Ukrainian refugees and the violence that's been perpetrated on their people? A changing of their culture? Why is Poland able to stand up and say enough is enough, but Other countries all across Europe are inundated with illegal immigrants and it's ruining their country. We're gonna talk with Mike Krup about that in just moments.

[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

All right, we're going to get to, we're going to get to, to Mike Krupa here in a moment. Hopefully he's logging in. But you know what we need to talk about? Let's talk about Zelensky, let's talk about Ukraine and let's talk about the new army and the recruitment efforts that are unfolding in Ukraine. So if you need any more proof that Ukraine's army is collapsing, look no further than Zelensky's latest order allowing grandfathers to fight in the Army. Men over 60 can now join the Ukrainian army. Previously, they were ineligible eligible for military service. But new legislation signed by President Zelensky this week amends that law to allow citizens 60 years and older to enlist under contract during martial law. Look at this. This is what it would look like here.

[Mel K]

Right.

[Natalie Morris]

We should make it clear this is.

[Clayton Morris]

Not, this is not actual footage.

[Natalie Morris]

This is what the Ukrainian army in theory now allows.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. So you want to tell us about.

[Natalie Morris]

The amended law, that this is a sign of a copy collapsing society when they have so little respect for their elderly that they are willing to let a 65 year old man who's worked his whole life strap up like this with no training and go into military service. Like clearly you don't respect your elders. If you think that this is acceptable, even if grandpa wants to, you should have respect as a society. Now this amended law claims that serve voluntary, but in Ukraine that word means very little because men are routinely snatched off the street. We've shown you this. And forced into uniform. So now that seniors are eligible, how can we be sure that they too won't be kidnapped?

[Clayton Morris]

Right, Right, exactly. That's the real question. And can you? Well if do they, who would want to voluntarily go? I mean just like we're now seeing in Israel, like Israeli IDF soldiers are, are not wanting to go into service. They're having real trouble with reservists actually wanting to be called up and actually serve in the IDF right now these reservists and come to the front line like they're kind of done with it. Do they want these soldiers, do they want these elderly individuals to be fighting on the front lines? They've already wiped out an entire younger generation of soldiers. They're wiping out multiple generations of soldiers. So why, why not just kill off the over 60 year old population now in Ukraine so there'll be no men left at all. They've killed off all the young people and those that were still alive managed to flee to other countries across Europe. And then they were called back, of course. And countries were.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, it's worth noting that when the war began, Ukrainians were trapped. Men under 60 could not leave because they were many of them forced into conscription. So anyone who's 60 now now couldn't leave. Right. But most of them, a lot of them wanted to get the heck out of there. You would hope that there's very few 60 plus men left. But the war has only been in eastern Ukraine. So you have to wonder if you live closer to the Polish border. You thought, well maybe I'll just, you know, wait it out. The war's not here, I'll be okay. You don't know now. And President J. Vice President J.D. vance confronted Zelensky in the Oval Office saying, you're taking People off the streets and throwing them into the army. Army. And Zelensky said, yeah, but you don't understand our problems. So he did not refute this. It's true that this is happening. You would think that anyone 61 would say, you can't kidnap me, I'm not eligible. Now they no longer have that excuse. So how do we know, right, who is voluntarily going into the military and who is not?

[Clayton Morris]

Let me see. Zielinski is not human. Tom Monbr says Zielinski is not human. Um, it's, yeah, that was, that was.

[Philip]

My first comment when I, when I saw that article was like, oh, so now they're going to start conscripting old men off the streets too. I mean that was the very first thing I thought was, when I looked at that, I was like, I don't know what, what that's supposed to be, but I know what this, I know what it's going to look like.

[Clayton Morris]

Price of Liberty Eternal dates in our chats says even our founders said the militia should not have only have men no older than 44 years old.

[Natalie Morris]

Is that true?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, not older than 44 years old. I mean, think about having to extend because you've literally wiped out all these generations of men. They don't have anyone. So now we're going to reach up into the 60s and they're going to want to go and fight for what? What are they fighting for? By the way? As another person in our chat points out, Zelenskyy and NATO will never beat Russia. Gregory Setkaka says in our chat, Pandora says Zelenskyy is a professional clown Down Palsy says in Zelensky's own words, I want Ukraine to be, to be big Israel. That's what we're seeing, a bigger Israel. Yeah. So anyway, let us know your thing. It's unbelievable though. Like how are you gonna, who's gonna train these people? How are you gonna train 60 year olds over 60?

[Natalie Morris]

They don't get training. The Ukrainian army, that is force conscripted, does not get training. So then reported on that many times.

[Clayton Morris]

So then they're just literally being thrown into a meat grinder to prevent whatever sort of advancements. I mean, we know from the soldiers, the Ukrainian army soldiers who've spoken out in the past few weeks that they, instead of having full battalions to be able to protect their lines, are now down to one soldier protecting one or one to two kilometers of lines. Yeah, it's awful. So.

[Natalie Morris]

And if you've ever traveled in rural Eastern Europe, you know that these are not People who have had easy lives in the city typing into computers. Right. These people over 65, they age fast because they. And Ukraine is full of mines. And so, you know, these men who have been hard laborers their whole life are not in any condition to now go into military service. It's really the most pathetic thing you could possibly, possibly think of. The only thing worse, and we've, we've reported that they've conscripted mentally handicapped people. We've reported that. And, and physically handicapped as well. I don't know how it can get any worse any more. Pathetic. Now is the time to end this war. And they absolutely would do it if the United States would cut them off of aid, which they refuse to do. This should be something we should be seeing our State Department condemn. Yet they will not.

[Mel K]

They won't.

[Clayton Morris]

Anyway, we got more news to get to here in a moment. We're trying to get Mike to join us in moments, but instead we're going to talk about alien life and has it been discovered by DARPA and the scientists who have has come forward on this issue. Is he trustworthy? Is he full of garbage? Is it all one big distraction? What about all these recent reports of this giant interstellar object that's slowly making its way towards Earth? Of course, you heard Jeremy Corbell warning us back in January that that's the story they would push out to us, that a giant craft, it's on its way to Earth and he calls it one big lie. So what's actually going on right now? We're at an interesting moment. James Fox is going to be joining us in a moment here.

[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

Oh, price of liberty. Eternal vigilance. As I looked up to make sure at redacted the militia comprising the reserve militia, every able bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age. So I was off by a year. He says, you are forgiven.

[Natalie Morris]

That is still an amazing bit of information. And you have to remember that 45 was quite old old when this country was founded. Now 45 is spring chicken. I see that at the age of 46.

[Clayton Morris]

I say that at the age of 48. Yeah, young. I feel I have to feel young. I have to go work out. So I get creaky. All right, well listen to this story. A Lockheed Martin DARPA engineer also worked at NASA. Richard Bandurek just made some unbelievable claims. Now this video is from late 2020 24, but just resurfaced on X. It didn't get like really any attention at all when it first aired, according at least what I saw. Now it's been going viral. So is this guy credible or is he full of shit? Here's his statement that trillions of UFO particles are sort of scattered across Earth. Extraterrestrial particles across Earth. They've been studying them for years. He says, says and these materials can cloak themselves, they can reassemble themselves and they can self destruct themselves. And he says they're intelligent life forms on top of that, not of this earth. So listen to his audio here of the scientist Richard Van Durek. Watch.

[Natalie Morris]

Very well.

[F]

So then you could collect them every once in a while and then try to analyze them. You could do things like split them apart and they would attempt to find each other or reconfigure. Some of the experiments they did was we took one of those and we put it on a very hot surface of about 3,000 degrees. And what it would do is it cooled the surface around itself. And then when we took the device off and then waited again, we would find that the mass would be reduced by a certain amount.

[Natalie Morris]

Do these feel like program materials to you, Richard?

[F]

Yeah, they were like I was saying they're more intelligent materials. Like these subunits probably were pretty had computational functionality, right, because they knew what their Neighbors were all about and they knew they could reprogram themselves to be something different. Right. If they needed to change themselves. So these are really curious types of materials. So that's how we could kind of tell they were extraterrestrial because these things weren't like decades ahead of us. They were probably hundreds of years ahead of us.

[Clayton Morris]

Hundreds of years ahead of us. Us. Ross Colhart UFO RESEARCHER Posted this Is that extraordinary claims made by scientists Richard Bandurek, Lockheed Martin, NASA, eula, DARPA about UFO material. So why hasn't Congress called him in as a firsthand witness? He's claiming to have handled highly advanced non human technology. Well, James Fox is an incredible filmmaker, UFO investigator. You know him from his great documentaries like Moment of Contact and the Phenomenon. His newest documentary called the Program. I highly recommend that you go check it out. You can see it on Amazon Prime, YouTube and Apple TV, all of those places. And James joins us now. James, great to see you. Welcome back to the show.

[James Fox]

Thanks so much for having me on.

[Clayton Morris]

My pleasure. So does this claim align with anything you've heard in your research at all? I mean, we'll talk about maybe his credibility in a second here. But anything you've heard in your research about these sort of smart dust particles that have intelligent life that, that are sort of scattered across Earth from any kind of whistleblowers you've interviewed, you've traveled the world investigating UFOs, has any of this aligned with what you've found?

[James Fox]

So, you know, I'm definitely on board with the fact that the US Government has recovered materials of non human intelligence or originating from a non human intelligence. There's no question about that. And it's not just because we've had a couple of high level intelligence officers, officers testify under oath as to this reality. But it's because of all the field research that I've done that sort of led me to that sort of parallels my field research, the testimonies given by these intel officers. But I reached out to a couple and the guy's got, this guy Ben Durek has got some incredible credentials. I mean he's, you know, NASA engineer, aerospace engineer, darpa. I mean it's incredible. But I think what's really important for all of us to remember is the, the, the claims needed to, or the evidence needed to verify the following claims. Whether it be we have, you know, Hal put off has said we've got up to 10, possibly a couple of dozen recovered alien spaceships. Huge claim, right? You know, you got Eric Davis talking about this stuff you, you've got obviously, you know, David Grush, you know Lou Elizondo. So I think what we really need to focus on is these are extraordinary claims. And yes, they do. We do need extraordinary evidence. But what is wrong with. We need to focus on creating an environment that allows people like Ben Durek and Lou Elizondo and David Grusch, Hal Puthoff, Eric Davis and any other firsthand witnesses, second hand witnesses, to whatever nature of the technology or the evidence, provide an environment for them to be able to testify freely in open congressional hearings. And I remind your audience, most of these people will do that. They're willing to take a lie detector test or they're willing to testify under oath. They need immunity from their NDAs. That is where I think we need to really focus on because, all right, let's just say he's full of doggy doo doo. Maybe he is, maybe he's not. Look at his credentials. I mean, let's see the evidence. So I really feel like it's time for us to transition into, all right, you know, we contact the President of the United States, wave the magic wand, provide immunity, relieve these individuals from the NDAs, let's have open congressional hearings the next day and let's get to the bottom of it because the stakes are too high not to.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, hallelujah. Now I reported over the past couple of days here about this Lispresso article, commenting on that, that Italian newspaper article that said that President Trump, there's reporting that President Trump is, is going to seize control of the UFO program from the Pentagon. To be like sort of, I don't know, seize control might be a harsh way to put it, but sort of step in, take what the Pentagon has been collating, is going to step out in front of the podium and release some sort of massive disclosure, maybe take the wind out of the sails of the Pentagon. First of all, the Pentagon answers to the President, United States. So I thought that was garbage to begin with. Pete Hegg says deferential, you know, to his president, you know, he's the Secretary of Defense, he's going to hand that over to the President. The President will do his own press conference. Pete might be standing there beside him. Nevertheless, this idea that the President is going to release some sort of a disclosure. Are you hearing any rumblings from your sources that something big might be coming from the Pentagon?

[Mel K]

So.

[James Fox]

Let me back up for a minute because I interviewed Gerald Ford on this topic. Gerald Ford was the one that pushed for the first congressional hearings on UFOs. After there was a landing in Michigan, and there was the old, you know, this scientific advisor to project blue book Dr. Hynek says might be swamp gas, you know, and that course blew up in their faces. And we ultimately had congressional hearings. I interviewed Ford about that, and just before the interview, he said, I'll talk about the congressional hearings. I'll talk about, you know, the incident in Michigan in 1966, but don't ask me anything about when I was president. President giving me the impression that he was not happy with the answers he was getting. I also interviewed President Jimmy Carter, and he said that they had made inquiries during his presidency. He himself had seen a ufo, but he was not happy with the answers that he was getting. He was getting a mixed bag of responses. I interviewed John Podesta about the Clinton administration, trying to get answers about Roswell. You know, Lawrence Spellman Rockefeller basically went to whoever was going to be the next president in the 90s. It turned out to be Clinton. And he said, either you're going to look into this UFO matter and make what's known, the government knows public, or I'm going to put on every single newspaper across the country why you won't do it. He says, pick a case. Lawrence came back, Roswell, okay? They looked into Roswell. They said they were not happy with the answers they were getting. So while I'm extremely optimistic about the Trump administration, administration, based on decades of previous research with other presidents, both Republican and Democrat, they were not happy with the access they were getting. They knew they were getting the runaround. I worry a little bit about that because the intelligence agencies have everything to lose and nothing to gain by relinquishing control of what they know, obviously having to reveal the things that they don't know. So I'm optimistic, but cautiously optimistic, and I'll do everything I can, obviously, from the sideline guidelines, to help the administration.

[Clayton Morris]

And Trump has admitted publicly that he's not very interested in the subject, that he's kind of incurious about it. And so, I mean, he's repeatedly, well.

[James Fox]

Hey, he could be the disclosure precedent. This would be the biggest, most historic thing in the history of mankind. Let's just like, ask the audience, can we suspend judgment and just imagine if it were true for a moment. Moment we really did have this technology we're tinkering with, and that's the biggest story ever. Let's. Let's face it.

[Clayton Morris]

I think it's the biggest story in human history. I personally believe it's the biggest story in human history. I mean, what could be bigger than that, right? I mean, I've, I've.

[James Fox]

People ask me all the time, why do I continue doing what I do? Like, why do you do what you do? And I say, oh, it's a good question. Let me, let me answer that question with a question. I say, imagine for a moment, moment if it were true. This recovered materials, we're not alone, you know, definitive data that the government has. How significant of a story would you give that? And everyone goes, oh my God, that's true. It'd be the biggest story in the history of mankind. Well, we have people lining up with everything to lose and nothing to gain. Nothing to gain. This is not a career enhancing move coming forward and making these out allegations. We need to provide steps necessary to give these guys immunity, put them, let them testify under oath in open congressional hearings, release the classified data you know, needed to verify those claims. We have to do it. There's no other path. Let's prove these guys wrong or let's get to the bottom of this.

[Clayton Morris]

I 100% agree, James. I'll get you out of here on this question, which is you saw. Well, you know Jeremy Corbell. Well, I'm sure, of course. And back in January, he made a claim that he knew a lie was about to be told to all of us. And the lie, he said, was that a giant interstellar craft, we would be told that a giant interstellar craft of unknown origin is heading towards Earth. And over the past 48 hours, that's what's happening. There's a number of publications that have come out saying there's some large, large. Some sort of object heading towards Earth, some sort of large interstellar something. We don't know what, we don't know what it is. And he said, here's the line. So what do you make of this over the past few days?

[James Fox]

Okay, so I actually have an interview that I did in the mid-90s with Dr. Mitchell, who's the fourth, let's say Apollo 14 six man to walk the moon, Dr. Edgar Mitchell. And he said to me, james, and this is in the 90s. And I have it on. I recorded it. This is an interview I did with him is. And he said, they're going to stage an alien invasion. I said, what are you talking about? He said, yes, it's going to be a big distraction. They're going to stage an alien invasion. Now, do I believe him or did I believe him? Probably not, but would it be a huge distraction from what we're dealing with? It sounds to me like it could be, you know, I don't know, but there's been a lot of this disinformation. I'll, I'll leave it on this. Remind your audience that after we had near landings on the White House lawn two consecutive weekends in 1952 in Washington, D.C. we had the Robertson panel in early 1953, December, January, or sorry, January, February 1953. And they said, they looked at the data and they said, you know, it's kind of difficult to deny that the phenomenon is real. There's something definitely going on here. I would try a new approach with the general public, public, and I would make light of it and ridicule those who claim to have seen it. And that was a policy that stuck. And it stuck. Probably the most effective policy on, on the phenomenon that ever. And we're still dealing with. Dealing with it somewhat today. Less so.

[Clayton Morris]

So do you believe, like, this idea that they would stage a fake alien invasion? I've been hearing from, from my sources on this for over, you know, a couple of years that they are going to stage a fake alien invasion. And I was told, what, what's the point of it? I guess my question is, is what's the point of it? Is it to make us scared so they can put in some sort of massive technocratic bio surveillance state on us and control us even more deeply than they already are?

[James Fox]

I honestly, I really don't know, but I quite honestly, I wouldn't put anything past them at this point. I mean, I've seen the disinformation going on. I mean, as someone who's been in the field, when I've seen countless explanations given by, by whoever they are, the intelligence agencies or the official position of the Pentagon or the dod, And I'm going, oh, my God, you got to be kidding me. And the Americans are. I'm like, people are buying this because they don't know, like, what's going on. They haven't been. They haven't talked to the witnesses. It is incredibly frustrating. So quite honestly, I wouldn't put anything past them. They're certainly desperate at this point. So who knows? We're going to keep the pressure on.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I agree with you on that. And we're gonna do what we can to keep the pressure on these people. James Fox, incredible filmmaker. Go check out his latest documentary called the Program. It's out now. Just watch it on Apple TV. You can watch it on YouTube now. And it's also available on Amazon Prime. So great. And by gosh, if you haven't seen the phenomenon. Go watch that one, too. Highly recommend it. James, great to see you as always. Thank you so much.

[James Fox]

Always a pleasure. Thanks for having me. Me on.

[Clayton Morris]

Thanks, James. All right.

[Natalie Morris]

All right. Coming up, we're going to talk about what are ghost ships that the military wants? Ghost ships. So put your guesses in the chat. What do you think a ghost ship is?

[Clayton Morris]

Well, when I was. You know.

[Natalie Morris]

Or I'm sorry, sea drones. I just gave you.

[Clayton Morris]

Never mind.

[Natalie Morris]

I messed it up. I messed it up. What I want you to think about is what is a sea drone? It's basically a ghost ship. I'm sorry, that was.

[James Fox]

Well, you could have just said the.

[Clayton Morris]

Ghost ship and stuck with that. It's like you tell them the punchline of a drone.

[Philip]

Yeah, we can all just pretend like we didn't hear anything. I don't know what is a sea drone.

[Natalie Morris]

You don't know what that is? Okay, I don't know what it is.

[Clayton Morris]

When I was. When our kids were little, my kids were fascinated because they would. I would tell them, like, ghost stories and stuff. And I was. I would tell them stories about ghost ships. I know kids were fascinated by the idea of a ghost ship. Like, daddy, can you tell me more stories about ghost ships? And I would tell them story about, of course, the faint, one of the famous ones off of the coast of the Azores. The Azores in. Off of Portugal and in the. In the 1700s, and this, like, ship just shows up empty, and there's no one, but there's, like, meals still on the table and, like, what happened to the entire crew? And it's just, like, floating along.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

What's going, like what? I'm fascinated by that.

[Natalie Morris]

Okay, I want you to think about this, but real US Navy unmanned ships with guns and bombs. So we're going to get to that in a second. Before we do, though, Clayton's going to tell us about our friends over at Fatty 15.

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[Natalie Morris]

All right. What is a sea drone? Well, the U.S. navy issued a call for a new fleet of them within 18 months. A sea drone is an unmanned surface vessel. It's like a. A ghost ship, A pirate ghost ship. If you were. Well, you use your imagination, you put whatever kind of ghosts you want on your ship, only it's remotely controlled by humans and not crewed by demons in this scenario. So what a sea drone is, is designed to operate without a crew, carrying out missions ranging from surveillance to missile strikes. The Navy is asking weapons makers to make three classes of sea drones with various speeds, ranges and payloads capable of being outfitted with weapons, radar or communications systems. And here's the thing, this tech is not theoretical. We already use them for research. Companies like Saildrone and Exhale already make advanced uncrewed surface vessels that can cross oceans, collect data and operate autonomously for months. That, that must be wild to see. I've never seen it in the wild. But it's crazy, right? To think about. But the Navy is not calling for a reinvention of this. It already exists. What they want is to turn these into armed war machines, and fast. So it's one thing to use them for research, quite another to outfit them with weaponry, but this again is a whole other ball of wax. But we have seen this happen in the real world. This urgency reflects a shift in naval warfare shaped in part by Ukraine's use of explosive sea drones to damage Russian warships. This has happened already. It was experimental, but Ukraine went ahead and did it anyway. The US now wants their own prototypes. And quickly suggesting that these could soon be patrolling con contested waters along with traditional fleets. Now here's the question though. What if there happens. These remote controlled weaponized ships are essentially floating computers. So if someone breaks in, it doesn't just crash, it shoots right. It sounds like the plot of Mission Impossible because it was. If you saw the previous one about. I think it was Ghost Protocol where a Russian warship is hacked by AI and tricked into launching nukes on itself that turns on the old crew. Now imagine that warship was unmanned and armed to the the teeth. That's essentially what the Navy is saying, let's do that. Let's build that.

[Clayton Morris]

Maybe.

[Natalie Morris]

What are your thoughts on this?

[Clayton Morris]

Maybe they put big old do not press on the buttons so that they know, you know, not to press that.

[Natalie Morris]

Okay, well, I look.

[Philip]

So here's.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, I mean, look, we're seeing my. Go ahead, Philip.

[Philip]

Oh, I was saying here's. Here's the problem I have with this. So if you take a conventional, like a conventional military and. And you give them illegal orders like fire on those civilians over there and they refuse, they can do that. So now you have these machines that will never refuse illegal orders. And we don't really know who's controlling them because we don't really know who's controlling the military and the government in general. So this is basically like, if you talk about, like, Deep State having their own army, this is what it's going to look like because it can't refuse orders. So what happens when they say, like, fire on that civilian shoot ship and there's nobody on that ship, there's no captain on that ship to say, no, I refuse this order, it'll just fire on that ship.

[Natalie Morris]

Unless AI has better ethics than humans, which is a pipe dream that I have.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, it's a great point, this idea that these soldiers or these individuals who would be responsible for firing on people would be able to remove themselves. So, like, plausible deniability in the same way that, you know, like a president of the United States who's not like, briefed on a bombing can have plausible deniability of that particular bombing. It doesn't go all the way to the top. So these individuals can say, I don't know, I didn't press the button. I wasn't responsible for carrying out that attack on the ship or whatever it is, but this is where we're moving. I don't know if you've seen the videos of like, China and their giant Earth moving vehicles, like the diggers and stuff. Now a lot of like, Chinese construction is all happening by remote. They're sitting in an air conditioned office with like three big RA wraparound monitors. And they're just controlling these big Earth diggers so they don't have to be out in 100 degree heat. This is the future of it. We've already seen it in the air. Why wouldn't we see it in the water?

[Mel K]

Right.

[Clayton Morris]

Where a lot of our drone technology, a lot of our drones that are drone missions in the United States are carried out by soldiers in the US Air Force that are sitting in mobile units out in Oklahoma and they're flying drones over the Middle East.

[Natalie Morris]

Right.

[Clayton Morris]

So now they don't have to be out in the water.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

You know, and this is the future of the Navy. It's. I don't know, I think it's.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, let us know what you think of this. For all the reasons that Philip just pointed out and Clayton just pointed out, it's. It's not just fun pirate lore. It can be quite terrifying.

[Clayton Morris]

Someone has said, Elise says remote controlled earth diggers. What could go wrong? Well, have you also seen China has over 50 deep water ports? I've covered it here on the show. And almost all of them are controlled with AI. So the ship comes in and all of these robots just go out to the ship and basically take all those shipping containers right off, move them where they need to move them, human beings out of the equation. It's all, all done remotely or all done by artificial intelligence based on the QR codes or whatever and scanning and moving it around. It's insane. It's insane.

[Natalie Morris]

Insane. All right, well, that's going to do it for us today.

[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

All right. Now I will say goodbye. Thank you so much for joining us today. We will see you tomorrow same place, same time.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, well, I did.

[Natalie Morris]

Am I allowed to say goodbye?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, but I did. So our friend Mike Krupa in Warsaw was going to do join us but apparently there was like a huge Internet outage and he had to run to the neighbor's office and let us and so he apologizes. We're going to try to get Mike on tomorrow to talk about Poland. So if you are of that area and you were tuning in to catch Mike, we're going to try to get back him back on tomorrow.

[Natalie Morris]

Apologies.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. All right.

[Natalie Morris]

All right. We'll see you tomorrow, everyone.

[Clayton Morris]

Bye.