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Clayton
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Clayton
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Natalie
That's right. So last night the president gave us a little pep talk. We're almost done. We're winning. It's okay. Just little bit longer. Let me know if you're feeling like that's a okay. We're also going to talk about Pam Bondi being out as attorney general. How much did the Epstein files have a role in this? Was that really her? Is there. Okay, we're who. We saw that.
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Clayton
Yeah. And we have some reporting which we'll share in just a few minutes here on who could be replacing her. We have interim AG Todd Blanch. But who is going to be the long term ag? We'll talk about that coming up a little bit later.
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Natalie
Also, Dr. Robert Malone is out at the Trump administration. He resigned voluntarily. We're gonna figure out what the hell is happening with the Maha movement that endeared so many people to switch to voting for Donald Trump. That doesn't seem like it's a priority any longer, but it is still to us. So we're gonna talk to him. We're excited to see if he will spill tea behind the scenes.
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Clayton
Colonel Daniel Davis is gonna be joining us here in moments on this latest escalation and the fallout from President Trump's speech. Oil prices skyrocketing. I thought they were supposed to go down after the speech, but they're skyrocketing as we speak. So we'll get to the kernel here in a moment. But first I want to tell you about our friends at Rumble Wallet because you know how many people have been debanked lately, especially if you have certain political views that don't align with some of the big Banksters out there. That's why Rumble built Rumble Wallet. It's a self custodial wallet that lives inside of an ecosystem that actually defends free speech and financial freedom. No bank holding your balance, not even Rumble can touch your funds. You have. It's fantastic. This is your money on your keys, on the blockchain, on your time. Rumble Wallet connects your money to a marketplace of ideas that refuses to cave into censorship. So if you're serious about sovereignty, financial and financial and digital, this is where you level up. Go to wallet.rumble.com or search for Rumble Wallet in your app store, download it, back up your recovery phrase and move your money where it belongs in your hands. Rumble Wallet is a technology provider only, not a custodial service. See terms@wallet.rumble.com all right, so let's get to this latest escalation in this war. Maybe you thought, oh, heading into the Easter weekend, that things would be calming down after the President's speech, but that is not the case. After the President's speech, the United States struck a massive bridge inside of Tehran. And by the way, this bridge was part of a new documentary as really the pride of Tehran because it was gonna cut down commute times for the people that live there. Shave about an hour off of commute times for the Iranians who go to work in that city. Trump posting this. The biggest bridge in Iran comes tumbling down, never to be used again. Much more to follow. It's time for Iran to make a deal before it's too late. There's nothing left of what could still become a great country. President Donald Trump.
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Natalie
The cruelty of it really gets me. At least President Biden had the manners to pretend he didn't blow up the Nord Stream pipeline.
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Clayton
At least he lied.
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Natalie
Like the courtesy of lying to us
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Clayton
about lied about blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline, which has descended Europe into an energy chaos and crisis. But okay, so Trump is gloating about it on truth social posting videos about a bridge come tumbling down again so the Iranians can't go to work. And what sort of strategic target is this? Is this a war crime? Striking civilian targets? Imagine if the Golden Gate Bridge in California were suddenly struck. I mean, that's what people are comparing it to today. Would we label that a war crime? Most assuredly. But yeah, I guess war crimes, who cares anymore, right? I guess that's the way we're going with things. But meanwhile, Iran has struck back. So here is a strike at the center of Tehran, or, excuse me, the center of Tel Aviv. Just a short Time ago, as confirmed on Fox News Watch as this missile strikes, this ballistic missile strikes into the heart of that feeling. The impact there as that camera is then jarred apart, entire neighborhood on fire, as again featured on Fox News. So not AI but also being shared across social media as well. And you can see rescue crews attempting to get there and put out this fire in this neighborhood where this ballistic missile has struck. We're also learning today that an Amazon data center was struck in Bahrain, Oracle was struck in the uae. And that's exactly what Iran said they were going to do, which is strike Microsoft, Google, Amazon, all of these large American corporations. And that's exactly what they're doing. And by the way, the United States is not protecting them at all because, well, we can't. And that, that is one of the big revelations out of all of this. So we got more to talk about. I wanna talk about the President's speech, but of course, these latest developments are worth bringing in Colonel Daniel Davis, host of the Deep Dive with Dan Davis, to get his latest assessment on all of these latest moves over the last hour or so. Colonel, great to see you as always.
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Colonel Daniel Davis
Always great to be here, Clayton. Thanks for having me back.
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Clayton
So we watched your show this morning and then of course, your assessment of what the President was saying yesterday and of course, a lot of lies and inconsistencies. But now we see this latest escalation and it seems like all of that has been like, thrown out the window. Like what we heard last night in the President's speech seems to just be tossed out. So I guess any sort of ceasefire agreements, talk of peace, maybe all of that has been scuttled anyway. What's your assessment of this latest escalation this past hour or two?
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Colonel Daniel Davis
Well, listen, I think it's just a continuation of really what he said last night because he was talking about bomb you back into the stone age where you belong. I mean, that was kind of alarming to me on the surface of it, because he was clearly talking about punishing the civilian population, the entire population. Not just going after the IRGC or some of the political leaders or so, but I mean, literally just putting in the crosshairs the entire Iranian population, which can only have the effect that we're seeing, which is it's going to solidify across the political spectrum, everybody in Iran together against the United States and Israel. I mean, if anybody thought that, well, if you just hit them enough and cause enough pain and hardship to the civilian population, then they'll start putting pressure on their political government or Whatever. I don't know what the logic was, what they think. It's never worked out that way. And in fact, it virtually always works out as we're seeing here. And so then now here today with this bridge situation, especially given that he literally bragged on it and posted it on his social media, on truth social media, it seems like that he's making good on that. He's said all but said it on that truth social right there, that this is using this whole all caps thing, make a deal before it's too late and all that. And listen, I mean this is as close to a cut and dried war crime as you can get because the only time you can hit civilian infrastructure, whether that's a bridge, whether that's electricity, power generation, is if it has a direct correlation to a military target. And at least from what I can gather so far, that is, I think your analogy to the Golden Gate Bridge is probably the best. It's just a civilian population there and that has no military utility at all. Certainly has, definitely has no military utility to anything we're trying to get done because we're trying to just coerce the country through the destruction of its infrastructure to comply with what we want to do. It's not like, well, they need that bridged in order to get to a position here that we're trying to isolate them from. And that that armored division goes across, you know, something like that, that could potentially be a legitimate military target. Not this. And this just seems so pernicious and it seems more like I'm going to do this because I can and what are you going to do about it? But, but it's, it's going to work contradictory to anything President Trump wants. It will just make all of the people in the region, certainly in Iran, say, listen, the only path we have is to continue to resist and not give up no matter what, because nothing is off targets and nothing is off limits. So I think that this is especially things go south here. You know, he may be brought up, President Trump may be brought up on war crimes charges himself or so. And you may think, well, it doesn't matter what anybody internationally does, we'll just ignore that anyway. True enough, that's probably how it's going to work out. But that's not to say that if there comes a Democratic, Democratic led House of Representatives that may say, hey, you represent our country here and we're, you could be impeached on something that is most assuredly a high crime and misdemeanor and this may have a Lot more relevance than even some of the stuff of the past, some of which was definitely politically motivated. But this one, this one would have some substance to it. So it won't be something easily dismissed. I just worry about what's gonna happen to our reputation, quite aside from that, too, because this is tarring all of us around the world. As people say, the Americans are now just this gangster type country that's doing all these things to other people, that just obliterating the rule of law, obliterating their own constitution, and now obliterating morality. What they used to want to be under the Reagan administration, a city on the Hill, a model to be mimicked, and standards to be trying to live up to. And now then we're saying it's all about power. You do what I want or I kill you. And that is reprehensible to me and it's deeply wounding to. I know a lot of people in
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Natalie
the United States, but is it effective? Have we ever seen that work? So it seems to be this torture philosophy that if I hurt you and your people enough, you will bend the knee. And I'm searching my brain for when militarily that has ever worked. The Mongols, like, what? What are we dealing with?
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Clayton
Didn't matter when we bombed. You know, the Nazis bombed Britain and hoped that it would break the resolve of the British people.
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Natalie
But is there any other way to see it? Is that we are just going to inflict as much suffering on your civilian population until it hurts you, and it will eventually hurt, even though we don't see evidence of this, that they will rise up against you because we're hurting them so badly. That seems to be the philosophy, right?
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Colonel Daniel Davis
I mean, I think, Natalie, I think you got it right on this, spot on. I mean, whether you're talking about, like a torture situation against an individual or a collective punishment against a population. I mean, the Nazis tried it in World War II. We tried it in World War II against the Germans, against the Japanese. We tried it against the North Korean population during that war. It never worked. The Nazis tried it against the British at the Battle of Britain in trying to bring London to its knees. It never, never, never worked. It didn't work against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. It didn't work against Hezbollah in Lebanon. It didn't work against Iran in the Iran Iraq War. I mean, anywhere you want to look at it regionally, recently, older, you know, back and further in history, it's never succeeded. I guess it just has this allure because, frankly, it's almost a little like war porn, if I can use that term, because it's like people lusting to use power that inflicts pain on somebody who's powerless. I think that some people get off on that. I mean, it sounds horrible to even say out loud, but I mean, the evidence I think is pretty strong that that's something. And one of the whole justifications for
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Steve Friend
going over in the first place was
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Clayton
that, oh, Iran killed 30,000 of their people.
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Colonel Daniel Davis
It's like, well, let's kill more to make it, you know, better.
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Clayton
Yeah, we're liberating the people of Iran by bombing their infrastructure.
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Colonel Daniel Davis
Yeah, of course, it was always a fraud to say that from the beginning. And of course that's why we went from the 3,000 people that the Iranian government itself acknowledges were killed in all these protests, then it went up to 10,000, then 30,000. And last night Trump jacked it up to 45,000. So it's just a number and it's not even real, but it doesn't matter. They don't care if it's real or not. And obviously President Trump saying back in January, you protestors, it just hurts me to see all these people being killed by this terrorist, terrible regime, this theocratic Nazi top regime. We're going to come in to help you, help us on the way, just keep going. And then now then he's like saying, yeah, we're just going to kill everybody and we don't care. We're going to. And if you distill do it, then we're going to take all of your energy systems offline. We're going to destroy your oil infrastructure, everything. That literally could put the in water desalinization plants, which Trump also specified, which also is a war crime. He's literally putting the entire population at risk and is now making good on some of those threats. So
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Natalie
can I just say two things that give me some cold comfort here is one, the letter to the American people from the Iranian leaders yesterday shows that they know that this is not the will of actual civilians. We don't want to be doing this by and large. And the fact that these civilian populations will not be broken because there is still a humidity spirit underneath it that does not submit to evil. We see that, that people in Gaza are still alive, are still kicking. So anyway, that's. I just wanted to share from what you had to say.
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Clayton
So, Colonel, I want to ask you on the. I'm confused because last night President Trump told us that they've been decimated. This is all wrapping up and then this afternoon, we see this rather large escalation and Iran saying they're firing back and hitting again, multiple targets throughout the Gulf countries that we are not protecting and helping. And at the heart of it. So we're hitting Amazon, Oracle data centers, American company targets throughout the Middle East. The Strait of Hormuz is closed, and no ships are going through there. We're seeing oil prices spiking and skyrocketing at this point after the President's speech. So I'm just confused when we say that they've been decimated. Their ability really to fight back has been incredibly incapacitated. How are we able to see ballistic missiles striking at the heart of Tel Aviv this afternoon or this evening and all of these American companies being destroyed?
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Colonel Daniel Davis
Yeah, I mean, this is just more of that, just disconnected from reality claim that President Trump is saying what he wants to be true, even though it's grossly contradicted by the physical evidence that it's been from the beginning. And I mean, he's been saying since right at the beginning, remember, I want to say it was on the 5th, the 6th day of the war. He said, oh, we've all but won. It's basically over. And he's repeated that in different versions several times after that. And you keep seeing scenes like what you're seeing on the screen right now. And even though we are given a tremendous pounding to the Iranian side, and Israel is too, they are definitely getting hit and hit hard, and there's lots of stuff that's been destroyed, lots of people have been killed, but it doesn't get into the system that Iran set up, where they have foreseen this in the decades past, where they had these significant underground facilities and missile cities and the ability to have missiles fire from under the ground. So you don't even have to have a visible silo, much less a mobile launcher, even though they still have a lot of those left. There's lots of firepower that they have left, and it was discussed openly many times before. And yet President Trump just keeps saying what he wants to be true, but he just isn't. And they're gonna continue to do they kind of shrug their shoulders and say, well, we can absorb this for a long time. We've done it for eight years during the Iran Iraq War, when you were supporting our then enemy Iraq. And we can do it again if we need to, and we can spread this out over a long time, and they have the resources stored up in a protected location, and they almost certainly can make good on this no matter how many times President Trump says something to the contrary. Now, I'll tell you, there's one thing I wanna bring up here, though. Didn't get a lot of notice last week, and it's something that I'm worried about when we start talking about this war, because there's clearly military solution to it. You cannot, cannot force open the Strait of Hormuz and you can say it's somebody else's job or get mad at NATO for not sending in their navy. They're not stupid. They're not going to send their navy to go to the bottom of the Persian Gulf. They would be fools to do that. And they aren't fools. But that means that the strait is going to stay closed and President Trump can't just walk away from this one. So then you have to worry if he tries to escalate, can he even do that? Because there's, you know, the ground troops, there's only like 20,000 that are either there or on the way there, which is a pin prick on a, on a map. I mean, you can't even hardly see it. It's not going to do anything. But last week, Laura Loomer put out this ex post that says, I just have a sense that there's a big 911 top attack coming that would be 10 times worse than the, than the actual 9 11. And I bet that a lot of these podcasters will be exposed that they have been actually helping some of these people. I don't know, I just have a feeling, and I thought that's weirdly specific. And I, and I worry about somebody maybe thinking about doing some sort of a false flag kind of a situation here in a big way. And then they would immediately blame it on Iran. And then, you know, the people like Tucker, people like Megyn Kelly, maybe even your show, something like that, were like, you're given the truth about the situation. They say, oh, he was given aid and comfort or something like that.
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Dr. Robert Malone
Right.
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Colonel Daniel Davis
Like, they already have the villains but marked. And so if anything happens, I mean, I'm really worried about it if it does. But I don't think we can dismiss that just out of hand.
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Clayton
No, I think an absolute. We've been saying on for weeks that we think a false flag is going to be used. I mean, you just talked to former CIA agent Michael Scheuer on our show who, you know, who says that that's his big concern, that they would use some sort of a deranged Muslim as a false flag planting operation inside the United States in order to sow this type of discord. So I think you're spot on about it. And then is Israel involved in it directly? We had on the other day. Well, Joe Kent was on our show last week and one of the things he said specifically is that every time we start to negotiate or have some sort of a move towards an off ramp, the Israelis come in and bomb the people we're negotiating with. We need to constrain the Israelis. And I know he said that this morning on your show. We can't make any progress unless we constrain the Israelis. And then of course, we just learned that J.D. fance was basically going to be setting up this meeting through Pakistan with the Iranian Foreign Minister, Kamal Kharazi, who was seriously wounded as a result of these strikes.
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Colonel Daniel Davis
And his wife killed.
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Clayton
And his wife was killed. So literally JD Vance is gonna be meeting with this guy and then suddenly his wife is killed and he is injured. They tried to kill him. Of course. I think we could point directly at the Israelis. President Trump was asked about this, like about these negotiations, and here's what he had to say about Trump taking credit for this. You can roll that one.
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Dr. Robert Malone
He's working on the.
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Clayton
The deal, right?
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Dr. Robert Malone
How's that moving?
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Clayton
Is it okay?
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Colonel Daniel Davis
The big deal, you see it happening,
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Clayton
we're going to bring it to.
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Dr. Robert Malone
So if it doesn't happen, I'm blaming
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Colonel Daniel Davis
JD Vince, if it does happen, I'm
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Clayton
taking full credit for. Or you could literally. Or you could blame the Israelis for trying to kill the negotiating team on that. Colonel, we'll get you out of here on this. We know you're up against a hard break. What do you make of that?
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Colonel Daniel Davis
Listen, I'm just kind of sick and tired of the. I mean, I'm just going to be blunt about it. The White House letting another country call all the shots here. I mean, this isn't the first time that somebody has been assassinated that we went after. President Trump admitted in the opening rounds that there was some other people that we wanted to reach out to, at least in their theory was that they would take out the ayatollah and then they would have some other people that might be amenable to our position. And they were amazingly killed in the process. And it certainly wasn't by our side. And then the Israeli side keeps undermining everything that we're trying to get to an end. And at some point, doesn't the President of the United States have to say to Israel, shut the hell up, get back in your box, or something to that effect? Because if they're harming our national interests and undermining any attempt to get out of this already unwinnable war. And I'll just tell you that there's no military solution here not to get the strait open, not to defeat Iran, et cetera. We have handed them, because President Trump listened to the Israeli side, we have handed them this opportunity now to hold a chokehold over 20% of the world's petrocarbons and there's no way we can force it out of them. And now that the only way they're going to do it is if we give into some pretty significant concessions to them, which I can't see the pride of President Trump ever willing to, to do. But the alternative is that then we just keep fighting and they keep holding onto the control of that and that price of oil will keep going up and the cost of everything will keep going up. And then when you have the literal possibility of either recession or, God forbid, a depression, if it goes down that path, all because we're not telling Israel to just get in your lane. He should tell him, listen, do you want to go and do something with the wrong. I think it's a dumb idea, but have at it. You're going to do it and you're going to do it without us. You're going to do it without our weapons and, but you can do what you want. I'm going to do what is best for our country and is not continue down a militarily unattainable path that will harm our country long term. It has already and some things that the cost of a lot of this won't come out until later, but I think we've already baked in some real long term costs both with our allies in the region, our allies in Asia and our allies in Europe. I think this is going to be a very costly affair.
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Natalie
Well, Dan Davis, one of our favorite analysts, basically I'm going to you every day to make sense of what are the, what are the truth and what are the lies and what do we know. So thank you for your expertise. Yeah, it's great to have you on redacted.
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Clayton
Thanks, Colonel, Great to see you. All right.
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Natalie
You know, he's killing it. His numbers are really good. Give him a, like, give him a follow on YouTube because it's great for us to at least, you know, our government can do what they're going to do. It seems like they're going to, but we don't have to swallow it so we can know this. And that's, that's all we can do
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Clayton
at this point and turning to alternative media to actually get some answers instead of these, these people who are bought and paid for on like the mainstream media networks, of course. So great to have Colonel on the show. All right, coming up, we're gonna have another great guest on the show. Steve Friend is going to be here. FBI whistleblower, someone who's been incredibly critical, of course, of Pam Bondi, who, by the way, was just fired. And according to reports inside the White House, Pam Bondi was basically, there was a sort of a shouting match going back and forth and she was basically pleading and begging to keep her job. She is out of the job now. She's temporarily replaced by Todd Blanche. But who is the long term person that's going to be taking over for that role? We're going to talk about that in just moments with Steve Friend.
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Natalie
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Clayton
All right, well, someone in the chat room just said I can see it soon. The Dan Bongino Pam Bondi show could be coming to. Could be coming to podcast network near you. I can't wait to miss that one. I want it to exist just so I can intentionally not listen. Maybe Dan Bond, you know, with his numbers that have been plummeting, maybe that could like resurrect him for a few days and bring it back up again. So Pam Bondi. Yes, the Attorney General of the United States has been fired, has been kicked out of that job. According to the Daily Mail. There was sort of shouting and a lot of begging going on. Mr. President, please, please, please do not kick me out the door. Do not take my job away from me. But that, that ship has sailed. She is now out of a job. Todd Blanch, of course, the same guy who moved Ghislaine Maxwell to a minimum security prison, who also said, now we're done with these Epstein files, stop looking. We're not really, we're not looking anymore. And we didn't really find any problems that Todd Blanche is going to be taking over temporarily. But we're also learning here at Redacted and we can report that there is a real discussion right now that Ken Paxton of Texas, the Attorney General of Texas, is also being courted by the White House to abandon his Senate bid against John Cornyn of Texas and to come work in the White House in a replacement for Haste. Don't run against John Cornyn. Come to the White House instead as Attorney General. Will he take that job? What will that look like? Too early to tell. But we want to bring that news to you now. We want to bring in Steve Friend, FBI whistleblower, a true American patriot who was trying to right the ship at the FBI and he was unceremoniously exited as well. I don't think there was a lot of crying and begging going on, much the same way that Pam Bondi was today inside the White House. Steve, welcome back to the show. Great to see you.
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Steve Friend
Oh, thank you very much for having me today.
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Clayton
So just your initial assessment here. I can see the Dow Jones not doing so well. So I guess if it had been above 50,000, maybe Pam Bondi wouldn't be out of a job. What do you think?
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Steve Friend
Probably, I mean, she knows the 50,000 points as dollars, but I think that her background, bringing that subject matter expertise to the Department of Justice, it was too much of a gap to bridge there. Look, so she went forward. She tried to do everything she could to do, as I like to call it, the MAGA land acknowledgement, where you come out before you say anything else, you express fealty to the President right now and then you hope that that is going to pad over any sort of the ills or any sort of the mistakes or bumps in the road that you've had. And she just didn't do a really good job of communicating that. So I think the death knot for her finally was when she testified just so poorly in front of both houses of Congress during those hearings there. But this has been a long time in coming. I mean, her failures are legion. It really started almost immediately with the Bindergate scenario and ultimately led to us having to see legislation pushed on through by Thomas Massie and Ro Khan that forced the hand of the Department of Justice. And even then they resisted and resisted and resisted and finally ended with malicious compliance, for lack of a better term. I mean, they just dumped millions of pages of documents without any rhyme or reason, in any particular order attached to it, so that the American people just throw their hands up and say, look, I can't either cull through it or if they did dig in there and find something, they could easily say, well, that's just, that's conspiratorial. That's something that was brought in by a crazy person. You can't take anything that we're saying here seriously. So not going to shed too many tears for Pam Bonnie. I'm sure she will move on to some very luxurious and well paying retirement gig probably at a lobbyist firm in Florida.
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Natalie
But how much of it do you think was her? I mean, her Justice Department refused to prosecute evidence of crimes in the Epstein files. They're saying we're going to rape her, we're going to eat her. There's a new nine year old. There was plenty there. There's, there is plenty there to prosecute. Doesn't seem like Todd Blanche is about to do it. Do you think it really was her saying this is fine or is there other forces in there that prevented her? I'm just wondering like, is it really her that didn't want to prosecute these people?
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Steve Friend
Well, I think when anytime you're dealing with a figurehead of an agency, be it the Department of Justice, which is an entire department or the sub cabinet agency, is like my ex girlfriend over at the FBI. The entrenched bureaucrats who work there and have spent their entire career, they're really proficient at one particular thing and that is bubble wrapping. New people that come in, they come and they go, Hobbs. They come, they go, but the swamp is here forever. But I will say this. I remember very specifically that when we had the Bindergate incident happen and she had egg all over her face, Pam Monte went on one of her many appearances on Fox News and she said something to the effect of, well, I had a mole come forward to me and say that those files are actually in the Southern district of New York, the crown jewel, the Department of Justice. And I remember thinking at the time, a mole. You mean one of your employees? So now you have admitted that you don't actually have true control of your agency. And we didn't see any of the fumigation that was necessary in order to bring this weaponized agency to heal.
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Clayton
What could she have done, do you think, from day one that would have said. That would have made Steve Friend a fan of Pam Bondi?
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Steve Friend
Well, there was a lot of things, but particularly to Epstein, that was one of the big, giant promises of the Trump campaign coming in. A lot of people were excited to just see the list. I think that that could have brought about, in a very judicious fashion, a very logical way. Pam Bonney, as the head of the Department of Justice, could have assigned a group of prosecutors, career prosecutors, a group of career federal agents, FBI agents from all different backgrounds, counterintelligence, crimes against children, violent crime, whatever was necessary, and isolate them, sequester them somewhere outside of Washington, D.C. and give them an assignment. We need you to go through all of these case files and turn over what you can in a linear fashion so that it is a digestible way, and do it periodically. It could have been every month. It more likely could have been every 90 days, because they have case files in the Department of Justice and the FBI that all the agents are familiar with that process. And if you had done that, you could have had a really long Runway and you could have explained why you did or didn't take particular action had you exhausted all the options. That. And I think the American people would have given a lot of grace and been very patient with that, as long as there was regular intervals of production of the material that the people were promised by the people, by those who they elected. And she didn't do that. She just kind of ran the clock out as long as possible, filibusters, whatever she had to. And then ultimately, when there was a law on the books and there was threats to hold her in contempt, which would have been interesting because she would have been prosecuting herself. But she just approved a giant pallet document dump, which, from what I can understand, isn't even a majority of the documents that are actually in the files.
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Clayton
Right. Which is a violation of what the doj, the Transparency act, under Congressman Massie and Ro Khanna, as Natalie was talking about. And still, as Massie has said, we're not going to stop until people are in handcuffs, until we see perp walks. And there's been none of that.
- [31:46]
Steve Friend
Exactly. And Look, I'm reflecting back to the State of the Union that we saw a couple weeks ago. And President Trump give very good speech at that time. But I will say this. I view a State of the Union sort of as a pep rally, right? That's getting the fans out there getting amped up. But if you don't perform on the field the next day, then the die hard fans are sitting on their hands, the casual fans are changing the channel. They're not even going to watch the game. And what does that actually mean? That relates to, we need to see tangible results. So from my experience, my background being in the Department of Justice and the FBI, we needed to see actual action on not just Epstein, but the government gangsters that Cash Patel likes to talk about. There needed to be people actually in handcuffs. What they did, even if they're currently in the government, even if they're currently members of the present administration, that needed to happen. And instead we've just gotten nothing. We've just. The results are, oh, we're opening an investigation. Well, anytime they announce an investigation, that is the end of the investigation investigation. Or we get transparency, as they like to say, which. Which is code for things we like. We hope you like this. We're gonna call it transparency. We're gonna turn these files over to Congress, where all prosecutions go to die because they don't have the ability to prosecute.
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Clayton
Right.
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Natalie
Well, I mean, she did announce it within the last week that she was going to prosecute Harvard for anti Semitism, for failing to tamp down on anti Semitism. And when you make that a cornerstone of the things that you are doing, because she's gone really hard on prosecuting antisemitism at colleges, it radicalizes people. Because you think, why this group, why protect this group when Republicans went so hard against Black Lives Matter? But they think it exists for only one. How can we feel any other way when we see that we've been dragged into a war for Israel and we are following their lead on antisemitism, which again, the ADL defines as even hearing problematic comments about Israel. They have the crime stats. They know. How can we not bang our heads against the wall when we see that this is what she was actually up to instead of the things that we wanted?
- [33:58]
Steve Friend
Well, this was the generational opportunity that was lost. I mean, the Department of Justice is the ring of power. No individual can wield it. The lesson that we learned from Tolkien is you got to throw it into the volcano. Nobody can actually resist the temptations attached to it. And Look, I'm a member of the tribe, and even I kind of scratch my head about this conflation of commenting on the goings on in a geopolitical state, a secular country versus an actual religion. I don't know how you criticize what the Knesset does. It somehow makes you hate a religion. That, to me, is sort of a head scratcher. But beyond that, we do have a First Amendment in this country. We do have civil liberties, and that allows you to have free association. You're allowed to be a jerk, you're allowed to be a racist, you're allowed to be a hate monger, you're allowed to say these things. As long as it doesn't break my bones or pick my pocket, what difference is it to me? Because I am an American who believes in the actual social compact where we give up a little bit of our liberties in return for very finite amount of responsibilities from our federal government, one of which is protection against fraud and force. And I'm sorry, former Attorney General Bondi hates speech does not constitute fraud or force. And yet she got wrapped around the axle on that, mostly because it afforded her the opportunity to go do some sort of a tryout at Fox News for contributorship.
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Clayton
Oh, that's exactly. I mean, well, yes. I mean, I used to work there. I know. It's exactly what's about to happen. I. Hand of the heavens, I guarantee you. Well, you heard it from Steve friend, but I think you're right, that pretty darn soon she's gonna be on one of those shows on a regular basis.
- [35:33]
Natalie
Well, she says in her farewell tweet that I am moving into the private sector where she will continue fighting for the Trump administration.
- [35:42]
Clayton
So, AKA Fox News. Before we let you go, Steve, our reporting earlier we mentioned about Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas, being courted by the White House to abandon his Senate bid against John Cornyn, maybe to take over and be the new Attorney General of the United States. Todd Blanche is the interim ag. What do you think about that move?
- [36:03]
Steve Friend
Well, I mean, what does it say about the United States Senate that they're willing to trade Ken Paxton away in order to get John Cornyn back there for six years? I know Ken Paxton's done some things pretty aggressively in Texas. I don't know where his. His. His integrity was on them, where his heart was on it, where it was just sort of like going to be doing some showing off moves in order to run for Senate. But look, I'm a results guy. Those sorts of things and actions he took were objectively good for that state. I wouldn't necessarily mind it. We have some other really, really competent attorneys general within the country at a state level. I know where I'm at in Florida, we have a really good attorney general. I've also heard the Lee Zeldin's name being bandied about the administrator over at the the epa. It's going to remain to be seen. But I think the, the in earnest move that has to happen is we can't have Todd Blench at top the, at the Department of Justice for very long. He's definitely not an objective force for good.
- [36:56]
Clayton
Yeah, I guess just look who, who receives the most APEC money and that'll probably be the.
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Natalie
Well, Ken Paxton goes very hard on anti Semitism in Texas.
- [37:03]
Clayton
Oh, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Going up. So if you get a lot of APEC money chances, chances are you'll likely be the next Attorney General of the United States. That's what I guess prevented Matt Gaetz from getting it. Steve friend, great to see you. Can you tell people where to find your podcast? And I saw a lot of people in the chat saying it's a big day for the suspendables out there. Tell us where people can find your new podcast.
- [37:27]
Steve Friend
Thank you very much. It's the American Radicals podcast, AM Radpod for short. It's available on Rumble, it's on YouTube. You can also get us over at Spotify AMRadpod for the American Radicals podcast every weekday at noon.
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Clayton
Awesome. Steve Friend, great to see you. Thank you so much for your thoughts on this.
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Steve Friend
Thanks, guys. Happy Easter.
- [37:45]
Clayton
Thanks. Happy Easter to you. Thanks, Steve.
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Natalie
All right, coming up, we're going to talk to Dr. Robert Malone. You may know him. He was one of the most canceled medical professionals during the pandemic. He became famous for it. He's, I want to say, Amaha leader. Yeah, right. We would say he's a maha leader. He's just left the Trump administration. So we want to know what's going on over there. What's going on thing. What's. What's that? Yeah, where's, where's that status? Yeah. So we're going to do that in just a second.
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Clayton
That's right, we are. And someone in the chat room was saying, hey, but no, but the dow is over 50,000 to contradicting what Steve and I were just talking about. No, it's not. Just FYI, just in case you're wondering. So maybe Pam would still have her job if that was the case. All right. Yeah. We're going to get to Dr. Robert Malone in a second. But first we have to tell you what's going on with gold prices. What's happening right now in the broader marketplace. And because with oil prices spiking, the US Dollar continuing to implode, where is smart movie money? Where is smart money moving right now? Easy for me to say. It's moving towards precious metals. It's moving towards real, tangible, tangible assets. I mean, that's why these central banks have been hoarding and buying, getting as much gold and silver as they possibly can because they know what's coming. And our friends at Lear Capital can help you do the very same thing to have it shipped right to your house. You can store it in your gun safe. Gold coins, silver coins, taking some of those US Dollars which are being devalued, inflation going back up again. Your buying power is declining. And a way to protect your family. The way that I look at gold and silver is not. Yeah, it's great that it's gone up, you know, thousands of dollars. That's great. But for me, I look at it as a wealth preservation tool for your family. Something to protect your kids, your loved ones. Think of it like a vault. That's the kind of how I look at. It's almost like prepping in a way. And they can help you do that. In fact, I've got the. Just give them a call and they'll ship this right to your house. This precious metals investing kit. It's free. You can sit down with your loved ones and discuss it. No obligation at all. They're an American company, so you can have a phone call with them. They're not going to be outsourced to some call center in India. They will talk to you and just walk you through the process. And, you know, if it's not for you, it's not for you. Again, but just have that conversation. Education is the key of this company. They really believe in education, financial education, because it's not something we learn in high school. Barely even learn how to balance a checkbook in high school. So give them a call today. 1-800-613-3557, or just go to learn. And you can receive up to $20,000 in free bonus medals with a qualified purchase. Again, learredacted.com or call them 1-800-613-3557.
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Natalie
Well, Dr. Robert Malone resigned as vice chair of the advisory committee on immunization practices with the Trump administration. Now, if you don't know who Dr. Malone is, let me, let me tell you, he is someone the Maha Community really trusted because he was an early MRNA vaccine researcher who warned about the COVID vaccine. He was deplatformed, he was censored. He later sued the Biden administration. We've covered that case for censorship. So when he joined the Trump administration, the Make America Healthy Again community, people like me who may have supported the Trump administration, who may not have otherwise, but this was an important tenet of our vote, took this as a good sign that the government was listening to evidence based doctors and experts. Now though, Dr. Malone has left the government, so maybe he can give us some insight on why the Maha movement seems, I don't know, stalled or deflated. Dr. Malone joins us today. He's the author of the work, the book Psy Exploring the New World Order. So Dr. Malone, thank you so much for joining us. I want to ask you, how much progress do you think the Maha movement has made inside the Trump administration? If you were to give it a grade on what our expectations were in early 25 when Trump took office?
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Dr. Robert Malone
I guess the grade would have to be a C. A C. Yeah, it's, it's not failing and it's succeeding in many things having, particularly relating to nutrition, the nutrition agenda and food safety, food integrity, improving the various SNAP benefits programs, the children's food in schools, etc. Food for Military personnel. But for instance, it had a major setback on the glyphosate policies. The. And of course the thing that has a lot of people upset about is the willingness of the Trump administration to shut down any discussions about vaccine policy in advance of the midterms, consequent to some polling and some key figures in the West Wing that apparently find this discussion to be uncomfortable.
- [42:56]
Clayton
So would you say, I'm sorry, would you say those voices inside of the White House. I don't know if you're able to name names or not, but I will. And you can just shake your head yes or no or blink twice if you're okay with that. Susie Wiles and these individuals who are actively trying to torpedo. We've covered this on our show, so. So this is not flying off the handle here, but Susie Wiles specifically trying to torpedo the Maha movement inside the White House. And should independents feel hurt by this, that they voted for Trump?
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Dr. Robert Malone
I haven't heard specifically that Susie is the problem. And I was in pretty close communication with Bobby and his top leadership. Overton is a problem. Overton is Marty Makari's former postdoc. She's a Hopkins md mph. And the way I hear the storyline is that she is a major factor in influencing policy relating to this decision to shut down the Secretary from discussing anything about vaccines and shut down any any moves or discussions that will caus the populace to become alerted to more vaccine controversy. Apparently the decision to make major change in the vaccine policy by realigning it with Western nations, kind of our, our peer nations, and cutting way back on the mandated vaccines didn't play so well with the general electorate electorate according to the polling. But that's those polls are disputed. There's been a number of brothers that have come out since then that suggest that's not the case. But the general position has been that the Maha voter only represents something to the in the range of 2 to 5% of the overall electorate that would potentially vote in favor in the midterm for the Republican Party candidates, particularly in the House, and that those people are expendable in the face of the risks of blowback from further vaccine controversy among the other slice of the Trump electorate.
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Natalie
Well, I blame very much, I indict the media on that because the headlines around the new vaccine guidelines, which still very much allow you to take vaccines that are not on the mandated list, you still can go get them still
- [45:42]
Dr. Robert Malone
fully subsidized just like they were before.
- [45:44]
Natalie
And the media treats it as if.
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Colonel Daniel Davis
Absolutely.
- [45:47]
Natalie
Yeah.
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Dr. Robert Malone
It's been stunning watching the media hysteria around this. And you thank you for posting my cywar book which foreshadows all of this and kind of gives you a window into the mechanics of how things work these days. And of course it's even worse now with the advent of artificial intelligence. It's like everything is on hyperdrive. But the position that was taken, and it was very carefully nuanced by lawyers, etc, was that nobody's vaccines were taken away, nobody's access to vaccines were taken away, none of the subsidies were taken away, none of the indemnification programs were taken away. Matter of fact, that was a hot button with the White House was that the ACIP was going to probably vote in favor of withdrawal of the Prep act support for the MRNA products. But what was done was to place many of those vaccines in a category called shared decision making. And what was so radical about shared decision making was that it takes the position that you should have active informed consent with your pediatrician or your physician about whether or not to accept a vaccine product. And somehow that's radical.
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Natalie
Yeah, I mean the headlines are that RFK Jr is taking away these vaccines when that wasn't. And so the media is actively trying to discourage you from Researching each one for yourself and making your own decision because it's no longer forced or even
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Dr. Robert Malone
just having a conversation with your physician and expecting your physician to be informed. One of the cores of the American Academy of Pediatrics lawsuit against Bobby, that was what has shut down all of this now because of this 5th Circuit Court Judge in Boston, is that it's going to cost pediatricians too much time and money to engage in informed consent with their patients. They object to this. The real, real thing behind that is they think that, you know, they're on these schedules where they have to see a new kid every 15 minutes or less. That's the demand that's being placed on them because they've all gone corporate. And furthermore, most of them don't really understand vaccine science. It's quite complicated and they don't understand the nuances of risk benefit and they just default back to some version of it's safe and effective. Take it. It's your time.
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Clayton
When you look at the COVID vaccine, Dr. Malone, I'm curious about this. Obviously, you're there in the White House, you're there in the Trump administration under a leader who of course championed operation warp speed. Right. Pushed for the acceleration of getting this horrible.
- [48:44]
Dr. Robert Malone
And he's still dug in on these products being one of his great achievements. That is.
- [48:51]
Clayton
I was going to ask you. I mean, I just can't wrap my head around it. I mean, what's it is.
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Dr. Robert Malone
It is a fact and it's a, it's a reality here. And will the secretary be allowed to pursue the truth? Will people within the FDA that know what actually happened be allowed to pursue the truth? One senior FDA leader was down on my farm just a couple of days ago, sharing stories about what was observed by this person over she. This person. I shouldn't say she. This person joined the Trump administration in Trump 1 about halfway through, was in the agency all the way through the Biden years. Remains in the agency now and has detailed understanding of what transpired. The stories are amazing. I'll just say it's going to make a great book one day, I hope. But beyond that, the moral transgressions, the corruption, the distortion of data, the falsification of data, the suppression of key findings such as the pediatric deaths that are not being allowed to be released to the public.
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Clayton
Who's blocking that? So children deaths because of COVID 19 shots that's being suppressed.
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Dr. Robert Malone
The answer. The answer. The name is Marty.
- [50:11]
Clayton
Marty Makari.
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Dr. Robert Malone
Yeah.
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Clayton
So you've named a few names now. Heidi Overton, Marty Makari.
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Natalie
Really testified to Congress about against, you know, mandates, vaccine mandates.
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Dr. Robert Malone
Yes. So I really, there's a lot of dynamics that are going on. There is a huge amount of rumor mill going on about the reorg. As you know, there was just a major reorg at HHS with promotion of some key leaders from within the CMS group that's been so effective under Dr. Oz's leadership to positions where they're functionally chief operating officer for hhs. There's just been a major amount of change within the overall sixth floor operation. And of course now we have a case where the nominated Surgeon general is not going to clear Senate approval. And so that's another issue I just
- [51:15]
Clayton
want to put up. So just to be clear, Heidi Overton here, one of the, really one of the big blockers of the MAHA movement. You mentioned Marty Makari and you mentioned these pediatricians. Childhood deaths from COVID shots. COVID 19 adverse effects. Have you seen that data? Can you tell us you've seen the data? Can you tell us how many children childhood deaths in the United States that they're blocking and hiding?
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Dr. Robert Malone
We don't know that answer. We don't know that number. What we do know is that there was a number of deaths reported in vaers that were identified by Tracy Betho when she first came in as the FDA CDC ACIP liaison person. She's now the acting director of the center for Drug Evaluation and Research, cder. So Tracy Beth Hogue went through, found a number of cases, drilled in on those cases and found a half dozen that were incontrovertible. Those passed through re review, I think twice at FDA there was Vinay, you'll recall, disclosed that this existed. But then suddenly there was silence about all of this because it was a decision not to disclose because those, these cases are extremely troubling in terms of how they were handled within the cdc. Frankly there, there has been significant cover up all the way through the COVID crisis of a series of issues, not the least of which is the DNA adulteration. But that's, that is, that is what the record shows and I this, the leadership right now is not willing to allow that information to become public. Wow.
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Clayton
I mean my jaw is dropping here. I mean can you, I'm sorry you mentioned, I want to go back to this Heidi Overton. What exactly specifically is she doing to block this at the White House? Is she or Marty Makari specifically responsible for hiding this data?
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Dr. Robert Malone
My understanding is that she's the one that is advocating the policy. She's one of the America first appointees.
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Clayton
Right.
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Dr. Robert Malone
And so she specifically is the one that has been spearheading the interpretation of this internal poll that suggested that there is significant risk for raising issues about vaccine. Controversial issues around vaccines during the midterm, particularly for House members.
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Steve Friend
Wow.
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Dr. Robert Malone
And advocated that there be a complete cessation of any further discussion about vaccine policy and associated controversies. Like, for instance, taking a position to withdraw coverage from the PREP act because we no longer have an emergency. Clearly, that's. That's been over for a couple of years now. But withdrawing PREP act coverage, liability coverage for these MRNA products. That. That is absolutely something that the Secretary could do at a moment's notice with a stroke of a pen.
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Clayton
Yeah. Two sentences. He could remove the prep.
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Dr. Robert Malone
My understanding is the Secretary supports that. I can't speak for him, but that's my understanding. But that. That is not a policy that will be allowed to proceed at this point.
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Natalie
I'm so confused. We. We played videos here of Dr. Marty's. I thought it was Macri, but whatever. Of his testimony to Congress against vaccine mandates and criticizing the vaccine. The COVID vaccine rollouts, talking about infection, inquired immunity. Why would he do that if he's incurious of the effects. The harmful effects of something He. You know, so my mind goes to mandates.
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Dr. Robert Malone
So there's. There's a lot of nuance going on within this domain of what happened.
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Natalie
Yeah.
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Dr. Robert Malone
And what the transgressions were. And you. So, for instance, one of the topics that's allowed to be discussed is the lab leak theory. And so you've seen an explosion of information about the lab leak theory and various decisions and policy positions taken regarding that. The decision, the policies about mandating products that occurred during the Biden administration. And by the way, the censorship policies. You know, I was just one of many. And I wasn't part of that lawsuit, by the way. My colleagues were. But in any case, those. Those things are allowed to be criticized now.
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Clayton
So.
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Dr. Robert Malone
But the. What transpired within the government having to do with data information disclosure about adverse events, that is concerning the MRNA products. That's still a third rail that's not really allowed to be discussed publicly. It's not even really discussed much internally. Discussed it at length within the ACIP Covid working group. And by having resigned. And by the way, I haven't left the government. I'm just switching over to working with the State Department and Under Secretary Donano on issues relating to the biowarfare Convention. And in particular, I'm very intrigued by advancing the use of artificial intelligence to support combined Compliance and detection of, of transgressions relating to the biowarfare convention, which is something that the President supports though I'm not out. But in, in terms of the, the issues you're talking about and the, the, I'm trying to be a little diplomatic here. The, the failure to aggressively advance MAHA agendas beyond the, these very easy and, and politically acceptable things like nutrition. Those, those. So, so you can, you can make the case that the easy to easy things, the low hanging fruit are being picked and things that aren't very controversial and do play well with the public are, are being advanced. But the harder things which the Secretary has been pursuing frankly for decades, vaccine transparency. He's not anti vaccine, he's anti propaganda. He's anti this vaccine religion vaccines. Which is where As a now 40 year, I guess vaccine developer, a lot of, a lot of the CHD kind of crowd hate me because I have a history of being a vaccine developer helper and there are those who think I should be tried and hung because of what I did when I was 28 in establishing the foundations for the MRNA technology. But I'm not anti vaccine. I'm anti propaganda. I'm anti mandate. I'm against this, what Aaron Seri calls the religion of vaccines. This, this mantra, this, this religious mantra that all of these products are safe and effective and it's acceptable to mandate them on the American public. It's, it's not acceptable and it's not necessary. What it does is well demonstrated. It absolutely drives distrust on the part of the American people. And you can compare that with the policies in Northern Europe, in particular Scandinavian states where they don't have, have mandates and they have very high vaccine uptake for those vaccines that make sense.
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Natalie
Right.
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Dr. Robert Malone
But we have this bizarre perverse incentive structure that's been created with the Vaccines for Children program and the indemnification in which you have an industry that has run rampant and it has to stop. And I absolutely support the Secretary's position on that. But at this point the Secretary has been told to put a cork in it.
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Natalie
I want to ask you just one last question because again, the propaganda you're up against is happily disseminated by the mainstream media. They love it. Every time they can take a hit at Bobby Kennedy.
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Dr. Robert Malone
They, it's, it's, it's their bread and butter.
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Natalie
Yes. And so now they're hot and bothered about the measles that not mandated measles vaccines. Yeah. You write about this a lot on your newsletter, which I want to.
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Dr. Robert Malone
Terry has, has repeatedly Said measles vaccines are effective.
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Colonel Daniel Davis
They.
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Dr. Robert Malone
They. You know, it's. And early on, they came out with this. Oh, two children died in West Texas. Okay. But both of those cases, if you review the case files, are clearly documented to be medical, frankly, malpractice, misdiagnosis, and failure to treat with appropriate antibiotics, secondary infections. They're not measles deaths, but the, the media. You know, this is a convenient trope. And we're now in an age in which infectious disease cells. This has become the new. If it bleeds, it leads. Well, if it has anything to do with infectious disease, by God, it's right in the forefront because it sells clicks, likes, follows, and all the controversy around it gets amazing attention. I mean, come on. I resign from this dysfunctional committee that has been shut down by a activist judge in Boston, and it becomes international news, and there must be 30 or 40 articles out about it. You know, it's not that big a deal, guys. And, and so it just illustrates that this is something that sells media. And, and it's become part of the ecosystem. And it, it, you know, we've. We've weaponized. We've politicized public health policy instead of examining it rationally and helping the public to make informed decisions, which is the position we should be in, instead of making it yet another partisan battle line.
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Clayton
With one minute left, people in the chat room are saying, you got to ask him about chemtrails. And the administrator. I know Bobby Kennedy. Bobby Kennedy was pushing big on this.
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Dr. Robert Malone
I've been riding, like, chemtrails ever since I was 8 years old.
- [62:35]
Clayton
So why is there not a greater push from this administration to end this chemical spraying in our skies? It's enough already.
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Dr. Robert Malone
Okay? So from my idiosyncratic outsider perspective, this goes way back to the 60s. Lyndon Johnson was an advocate of weather change. We have deep investment from the intelligence community in the technology for manipulating weather. Manipulation of weather is perceived as having great benefit in all kinds of parameters, both domestically and internationally. And we still are dealing with the residue of the whole climate change propaganda. So I. Why this? This administration clearly doesn't see this as a priority, as opposed to Ron DeSantis, to his credit. And I, I. All I can speculate is that the influencers that have the ear of the president right now do not see this as a priority. And if people want it to be a priority, like with everything in this Maha movement, they've got to get out there and make it quite clear that they care about this. And I don't see enough Momentum. We can't even get enough momentum to push back against the administration's bottling of the secretary over vaccine policy. If Maha or others want to make a dent in the use of these chemicals to manipulate weather, they've got to make it, you know, really, really clear that this is an issue that a significant fraction of the electorate will vote for. And. And that, you know, you can make that case. This material is raining down on our land. It's raining down in our air. It's another form of pollution. There's a lot of ways that this could be pursued politically, but it doesn't seem to have a advocacy, electorate, advocacy group that is sufficiently powerful and focused to make this a compelling argument within this administration, in my opinion.
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Natalie
Well, I want to suggest that everybody subscribe to your substack because I learn a lot there. It's Malone News. Please do subscribe, because a lot of times you do take this hysteria and you give us the medical data, and it's a pleasure to talk to you. I really appreciate it. The only thing I can say about this, this Maha movement is that a lot of it overlaps with the anti war movement. And we're pretty tired. We're busy screaming about things, you know, at this point. But you're right. We have to, you know, be the leaders.
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Dr. Robert Malone
Well, you gotta. You're gonna have to pick your battles, my friends.
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Natalie
I don't know how to do that.
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Dr. Robert Malone
You're getting too fragmented. Yeah, that's. That's. That's what's happened in a case can be made that a lot of that fragmentation is intentional. Yes. And it's being driven by these kinds of technologies. And frankly, from what I know, at the cutting edge of artificial intelligence, it's going to get far, far worse.
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Natalie
Okay, well, thank you for that, Doctor.
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Clayton
We need to work on your bedside manner.
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Natalie
Yeah. Then later we'll talk about the medical effects of all the stress from all of it on me. So on all of us collectively.
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Dr. Robert Malone
You know, go get yourself a homestead like I did and enjoy life and smell the flowers and watch the fruit trees bloom.
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Natalie
Okay, thank you.
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Clayton
Dr. Robert Malone. Great to see you as always. Thank you.
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Dr. Robert Malone
Bye Bye.
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Clayton
Thanks, doc.
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Dr. Robert Malone
All right.
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Clayton
What do you guys think of that? I mean, I'm shocked. I'm shocked on a couple of levels. Go ahead, Philip. I was just going to say, well, now I'm depressed because he said the solution is to go smell the flowers. And my allergies are already bad enough, so.
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Natalie
Great.
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Clayton
So there is no solution for me. There's no solution for You. But I mean, the fact that inside the White House, you have people like Dr. Makari, you have Heidi Overton who are literally going out of their way to torpedo the Maha movement because it doesn't poll well, that by talking about vaccines or adverse events from vaccines that. That would actually incapacitate Republicans in the midterm elections. Like, so this small little percentage of independents who might be swayed. It's a polling issue for these people.
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Natalie
Yeah.
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Clayton
It's not a health issue. It's a polling issue for these people. And that's what's really troubling. I just. I just feel like this administration, like, I feel like they should have just left serious people out of it entirely. Because, I mean, you know, you've got like, people that actually wanted to make a difference and they get. Just get railroaded by all the other, like, kind of sycophantic Epstein class. And it just, It's. It's frustrating to have people that actually want to do something along the lines of what they said. And it's just. I think we've just been better off to not even involve them and just
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Natalie
be a clown show giving us false hope. Right. But, doctor, what happens when you have
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Dr. Robert Malone
people that do stand up?
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Colonel Daniel Davis
You have like a Thomas Massie and
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Dr. Robert Malone
then they get like, what, $35 million
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Colonel Daniel Davis
put against him in a small state like Kentucky. Like, it's like, no matter what, if
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Dr. Robert Malone
you have somebody that rises us to
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Steve Friend
the top as somebody that's actually going
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Colonel Daniel Davis
to do what the people want, they do everything they can to destroy that person.
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Natalie
Yeah.
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Clayton
Yeah, that's exactly right.
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Natalie
But I didn't realize Dr. Malone is still working inside the government that he still has. You know, he's a serious person and he still has a role. So let's use that as a silver lining, shall we? That's going to do it for us today, you guys. Hey, I want to remind you to please subscribe to the redacted newsletter. You can find it@redacted.com once you go there, you put in your email address. It is totally free. It comes out every day that this show comes out Monday through Thursday. Nothing is upsold or cross sold. It's free for everybody. And free means free. Sometimes we link you to something behind a paywall, but we really try not to if we can avoid it. And we try really hard to link you to original source material. So please do stay subscribed. Redacted.inc we really appreciate your patience. Patronage of our newsletter and our show.
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Clayton
That's right. Thank you, guys. So much. We'll have great content and some interviews. Great interviews for you this weekend. We're really excited about those. So please subscribe here to the channel on YouTube on Rumble on X, and we will see you back here real soon. Have a great night, everybody.