Breaking! New Epstein Island Videos Revealed + Bill Gates Admits New Pandemic Is Coming | Redacted

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Redacted News Podcast Summary

Episode: Breaking! New Epstein Island Videos Revealed + Bill Gates Admits New Pandemic Is Coming

Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Clayton & Natalie Morris
Special Guests: Roger Stone, John Kiriakou

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into newly released Epstein files, revealing underground tunnel systems, intelligence connections, and explosive emails involving figures such as Bill Gates and Steve Bannon. The hosts analyze the implications for global elites, discuss ongoing government stonewalling, and feature interviews with Roger Stone (on Bannon’s Epstein ties) and CIA whistleblower John Kiriakou (on Epstein’s intel career). It concludes with a critique of media coverage and a call for full transparency.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New Epstein Island Revelations

• Underground tunnels:
  • Videos & emails indicate secret tunnel systems under both Little St. James Island and Zorro Ranch.
  • Obsession with constructing these began after Epstein’s first light sentence in 2009.
  • Emails referenced tunnels used to move people, staff quarters, and possibly hiding illicit activities ([03:43]).
• Lifeboat Foundation connection:
  • Epstein was invited to join this group that builds underground bunkers for the elite ([06:07]).
  • The website and communications are described as “creepy, survivalist, and futurist.”
• Parallel to Playboy Mansion:
  • Tunnels allegedly connected the mansion to Hollywood stars’ homes, raising questions about their function ([08:48]).
• Who knew?
  • Correspondence from 2018 openly references tunnels, with publicist Peggy Siegel asking, “Is the staff still sleeping in the tunnels?” ([05:58])
  • Quote (Natalie, 05:58): “I just don’t think people have tunnels in their house.”

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2. Government Responses & Accountability

• Department of Justice maintains no evidence of “men abusing girls,” despite voluminous data, videos, and emails.
  • Quote (Todd Blanche, 10:51): “I don’t know whether there are men out there that abuse these women. If we learn about information and evidence... you better believe we will. But... you are not going to uncover men within the Epstein files that abuse women.”
• Hosts and chat community express deep skepticism, citing emails about torture and abuse left unresolved.
  • Quote (Natalie, 12:28): “Should I torture her or do her? Yeah, that was a man. That one was not redacted... Why some men and not others?”

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3. Epstein’s Genetic Experiments & Designer Babies

• Emails reveal Epstein funded and strategized “designer baby” and cloning projects as early as 2018, with researchers discussing moving from “garage biology” to successful human cloning for private use ([14:05]).
• They discuss “jurisdiction shopping” to avoid U.S. law, including overseas clinics and medical tourism ([16:28]).
• Hosts extrapolate the horror of “cloning babies so that you can sexually abuse them and then no one's gonna miss them ‘cause no one knows they exist” ([16:27]).
• Clear overlap between “sex tourism” and genetic experimentation operations ([18:37]).

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4. Bill Gates: Epstein Connections, Depopulation, & Next Pandemic

• Gates denies accusations arising from released emails, insisting his limited association with Epstein was “a mistake” ([21:08]).
• An email references a discussion between Gates and Epstein: “How do we get rid of poor people?” ([21:57]).
  • Quote (Natalie, 21:57): “I don’t think their intention was to lift people out of poverty. I don’t think so... They are interested in depopulation.”
• Gates advocates global surveillance, more vaccinations, and predicts another pandemic is coming ([22:56]-[24:32]).
  • Quote (Gates, 24:00): "You have to do constant surveillance... sewage surveillance... so we understand far better how to do diagnosis... The world hasn't come together yet to create that surveillance system."

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5. Steve Bannon & Epstein: The “Rehabilitation” Campaign

• Bannon coached Epstein in video sessions and advised him on how to appear “less creepy,” possibly preparing for a 60 Minutes interview ([32:40]).
  • Quote (Roger Stone, 37:24): “Epstein gave Bannon an expensive Hermes Apple watch. This is not some casual one time relationship. He is actively advising Epstein on rehabilitating his image...”
• Bannon is described as playing a double game—publicly calling for full transparency about Epstein, while privately aiding his PR.
• Stone alleges Bannon was motivated by money and possibly influenced by ties to various international donors.

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6. Trump, Clinton, and Media Hypocrisy

• Stone strongly asserts Trump severed Epstein ties in 2004, before Epstein’s major charges, and that there is no credible evidence implicating Trump ([41:13], [42:08]).
• Claims mainstream and leftist media ignored Bannon’s direct ties to Epstein, instead focusing on relatively baseless smears against Trump.
  • Quote (Roger Stone, 42:54): “The reason they don’t use it is because there is no there there.”
• Natalie and Clayton call for full public disclosure regardless of party, rejecting the idea of “running cover” for Trump or anyone.

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7. Epstein as a Global Intelligence “Access Agent”

(Interview with CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou)

• Epstein likely served as an “access agent” for Mossad, possibly others, connecting intelligence services with targets in elite circles ([51:25]).
  • Quote (Kiriakou, 51:25): “Epstein was probably recruited by the Israelis to provide access to targets the Israelis were interested in... but he could bank favors with the FBI, CIA, MI6, or others...”
• Epstein’s light sentence in 2007-2008 was “100% intelligence-related,” likely ordered from the highest government levels ([53:01]-[53:58]).
• His role as a free agent enabled information trading across U.S., Israeli, Russian (KGB), British (MI6), and other authorities.
• Honeypot Operation:
  • The intelligence apparatus used Epstein’s pedophilia as a “hook,” turning a blind eye to secure blackmail leverage over global elites ([58:53]).
  • Quote (Kiriakou, 58:53): “They were able to identify that vulnerability... and then just let him do his thing with girls and important world leaders.”

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8. Calls for Full Disclosure & Media Critique

• The hosts criticize DOJ’s “chaos strategy,” where fragmentary document releases and redacted names create confusion, not accountability ([46:00]).
• Media distraction: The Savannah Guthrie story dominates legacy news, while the Epstein files revelations are buried ([88:58]).
• Quote (Clayton, 79:31): “That’s how the mainstream media works... This is the perfect kind of story for cable news... to distract from the Epstein files.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On the tunnels:
  • “No, I just don’t think people have tunnels in their house.”
    — Natalie ([05:58])
• On the DOJ response:
  • “You don’t understand what that means?”
    — Clayton, responding to DOJ stonewalling ([10:51])
• On Epstein’s cloning plans:
  • “You’re cloning babies so that you can sexually abuse them... It sounds like a frickin’ James Bond story.”
    — Clayton ([16:27])
• On Bannon’s relationship with Epstein:
  • “Imagine my surprise when I saw an email released... Epstein attacked me because I gave an interview... after Epstein has been convicted of sex crimes... Steve Bannon emerges as an adviser trying to help reshape his image.”
    — Roger Stone ([34:02]-[37:24])
• On elite impunity:
  • “The more important people become, the more we as a society are willing to cut them slack, and we shouldn’t.”
    — John Kiriakou ([61:50])
• On intelligence asset mechanics:
  • “You get a phone call saying ‘How’s your mom?’... [That means] meet me at the parking lot of the yacht club at 2 o’clock.”
    — John Kiriakou ([57:05])

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Segment Timestamps Guide

• [01:02] – Show intro, overview of Epstein tunnels and Zorro Ranch
• [02:15] – Preview of Bannon’s role, Roger Stone interview announcement
• [03:43] – Lifeboat Foundation: Epstein’s tunnel obsession emerges
• [05:58-08:48] – Peggy Siegel email, Hollywood connections, parallels to Playboy Mansion tunnels
• [09:51-12:38] – DOJ/Blanche stonewalls on prosecution of Epstein’s clients
• [13:17] – Email references Epstein’s involvement in violence and possible killings
• [14:05-19:35] – Designer babies, cloning, jurisdiction shopping, and abuse implications
• [20:21-25:30] – Bill Gates denies allegations, emails about depopulation discussions
• [26:32-44:42] – Steve Bannon’s coaching, rehabilitation efforts, Roger Stone interview
• [49:32-64:13] – John Kiriakou on intelligence connections, Mossad/CIA, mechanics of asset handling, parallel tracks of espionage and abuse
• [74:56 onward] – Rumble Premium segment (discussion and audience Q&A, casual wrap-up)

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Tone & Language

The tone is blunt, skeptical, and often sardonic, mixing journalistic rigor with clear exasperation at official narratives. The approach is unapologetically adversarial toward government/media obfuscation, with emphasis on hard questions and pushing for accountability from all sides. Both hosts refuse to “run cover” for any political side, instead demanding full transparency “no matter whose ox is gored.”

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Summary for First-time Listeners

This episode of Redacted News uncovers disturbing new details from the Epstein documents, exposing tunnel networks, cloning schemes, and elite complicity. Through sharp commentary, revealing interviews, and a focus on intelligence connections, the hosts highlight systemic cover-ups and the urgent need for all files—no matter who is implicated—to be released. If you want the big picture (and the gritty details) beyond mainstream headlines, this episode delivers.

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Transcript

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[Clayton]

On this Thursday to redacted. Great to see everybody. We've got a busy show for you. We're going to look at the tunnels, the emails and the references to the massive tunnel structure underneath Epstein Island. Also the hidden bunker system underneath Zorro Ranch in New Mexico. Epstein's sort of sex ring traffic area underneath his homes. You know, by the, by the way, he started all of this right after he was released from his little work release program. Barely any prison time. He's like, what? You know, we need to go underground. We need to start building these tunnels.

[Natalie]

Once you've been indicted for prostitution, for soliciting minors for prostitution, you can't do that on the up and up. You've got to do it on the down low. I mean, you can talk to all your wealthy elite government leadership friends about it.

[Clayton]

Better in tunnels, though.

[Natalie]

That's totally fine. On email, it's gotta be, just not in plain sight. So on your email underground makes sense.

[Clayton]

It does.

[Natalie]

It makes sense. We're also gonna talk about why is Steve Bannon all over the Epstein files? Why is he working for Epstein? What's. What. What the. What what?

[Clayton]

Oh, this has been a question I've had for a long time because I know Roger Stone has been all over this story for a long time and, you know, basically says that Steve Bannon is an intelligence asset. What is actually going on here with this whole story? So we're gonna have Roger Stone on the show to talk about it today.

[Natalie]

We're also gonna talk about Epstein's intelligence connections because again, we talked about this earlier in the week about Epstein being a KGB asset. Okay. Again, the KGB was dissolved in the early 90s, but, you know, the media is going full board with this, saying, oh, no, he was Russian. So we're gonna talk to John Kiriakou about how does that work? Why is it so stupid? The official explanation is beyond stupid.

[Clayton]

Well, and I really want to ask him, too, like, how. How is he an intelligence at. Like, what. How is he.

[Natalie]

How does that work?

[Clayton]

How does it actually work that he was Mossad, CIA, MI6? Kind of running in between all, you know, and operating in that way in the SBU and all of these pieces. So John's going to be joining us today on the show, so we got a lot to get to today. Let's start with this, by the way. Yeah, I did get a haircut. People say, clayton, where'd your hair go? She.

[Natalie]

She did a little high and tight.

[Clayton]

She got a little high and tight on it. Yeah. So it's like, you know, anyway, so I like it. You can see when he gets this short, you can see the grays really well. Can you see the gray zone right there? Anyway, thank you.

[Natalie]

I dig it. Girls like clean haircuts.

[Clayton]

Clean haircuts.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Clayton]

Instead of all these teenagers look like broom handle, broom mops right now. It's like a mess. Yeah.

[Natalie]

I don't know why young girls are not telling them, please clean that up.

[Clayton]

Like, yeah, what do they call them, llamas or.

[Natalie]

We call them alpacas. Like, you go to the mall and every teenage boy looks like an alpaca.

[Clayton]

It's so weird.

[Natalie]

We have one.

[Clayton]

We do. All right, thank you guys for subscribing and being we don't have enough podcast on this Thursday. Great to see you guys. By the way, we will be doing Rumble premium later in the show today. So after our normal content, we're going to hang out and just chit chat and hang out for all of our Rumble Premium subscribers. So again, the whole show is free, but the end of the show, we flip that switch and then it'll just go to the Rumble Premium. So, anyway. All right, let's get to the news. Well, another day, another round of shocking details in the Epstein documents. This time we've got more videos and how they secretly move people, little girls materials around Epstein island and Zorro ranch in New Mexico. According to emails, Epstein was invited to join as a board member of Lifeboat foundation, which specializes in building massive underground tunnels and bunkers. And according to the emails, Epstein was really kind of obsessed with building these tunnels under little St. James Island. Constantly demanding work on them from 2009 up until about two months before his arrest. So after he had gotten out from his little work release, prison time, why he had such a light sentence, Congressman Massey is still hoping to get the bottom of, like, that was supposed to part. That was supposed to be a part of the Epstein document release. Why did he get such a lenient sentence? But anyway, after he gets out of prison in his little work release program, he then immediately starts building these tunnels, and it becomes kind of obsessed with building these tunnels. Um, and right up until, of course, he was arrested finally. And then the. The fake suicide. Um, but here's just an example of Peggy Siegel, Hollywood publicist, emailing him. So people knew about these tunnels. So this is 2018. Hey, I'm in New York all week. The things to do or come see me. He writes to her. Dearest Jeffrey, I'm so sorry I missed your birthday. The good news is you're still younger than me. But I. But do not look like it. Just kidding. For a silver fox, you are in tip top shape. How have you been? What's up with the Caribbean island? Is the staff still sleeping in the tunnels? Have they retrieved all the furniture out of the ocean? Did you take photos? Are you presently rebuilding it? Okay, that's not just.

[Natalie]

I mean, I just can't. You know, a lot of times I'm like, could this be explainable in another way? No, I just don't think people have tunnels in their house.

[Clayton]

No. And then when the Lifeboat foundation specifically is reaching out to him, asking him him or inviting him to be on their board, that raises a whole other series of red flags. Here's an email. Hey, Jeffrey, can we say yes to this? Board members have big bio pages with website links. This could be very helpful for visibility. If I get your. Okay, I'll set it up. Jeff, we were wondering if you'd like to join the Lifeboat foundation advisory Board. We just had Ray Kurzweil and Nobel laureates Daniel Kahneman, et cetera, et cetera. Join the board, would you? So you would have some good company. So what is the Lifeboat company? Well, they build bunkers. And if you go to their website, you'll see all sorts of like, end of times related stuff. Like, you know, we build bunkers for the rich and famous under there. But if you go to their website, it's kind of actually creepy. I spent quite a bit of time on there Today and, like, safeguarding humanity. And it's all about, like, human survival and all of these things and visions for the future, the human, you know, future of the human race and all of these things and how you can, you can be a part of this seems all very weird. Like, just if you go to this website, it's just very, very weird. So then we revealed inside the Epstein documents the tunnels and the trapdoor. Not sure exactly where this trapdoor is leading to inside of the island, into some sort of a water passage or something underground. We don't know exactly how you get down to these tunnels. But then over two hours of video released inside the Epstein files showing these underground tunnel systems. Like individuals walking through the tunnel systems, filming the tunnel systems, talking about it, you know, presumably all underneath Epstein island. Because the beginning of the video shows the island and then two hours of this type of footage just walking beneath, walking in the corridors, walking among the tunnels, walking next to the pipes and all of those things. Now you remember, of course, some previous footage had been released with security camera footage. This came out, this was previous footage where you see, like, little kids in there scattered across the island in different photos. Kids sitting on buckets inside of a section of the island. We're not unclear exactly where that is. Is it underground? Is it hidden in these tunnels? We don't exactly know. But it does certainly remind me of, you know, they're not the only one. Think about, like the Playboy Mansion, for instance, right? The massive tunnel structure underneath the Playboy Mansion. Like, Hugh Hefner was really out in front of this. And thanks to Red Pill Drifter, by the way, for reminding me of this and posting these images. I forgot about this.

[Natalie]

I never knew it.

[Clayton]

Yeah. And these images that would connect to, see northbound tunnel to Mr. Jack Nicholson's residence, James Caan's residence and others. So these, like, tunnels that went from the Playboy Mansion to these, like, rich and famous celebrities inside of Hollywood. So what were these tunnels being used for? I mean, what you can say is for sure is that he was obsessed with building them after he had been arrested initially and after, of course, and he meets Steve Bannon and they start this whole, like, rehabilitation process, you know, all to move him away from being a pedophile. And then after that, he's.

[Natalie]

I mean, it sure it has heck worked. We see the kind of caliber of people who he was able to keep company after being indicted and serving prison time for trafficking young girls. I mean, again, it's Bill Gates, it's two reporters at the New York Times. It's I mean it's a laundry list. Everyone in elite universities. So yeah, I mean that's one of the most successful rehabilitation campaigns I've ever seen.

[Clayton]

Yeah, it seemed to have worked and apparently it's worked. So much so that the Department of Justice seems to not believe that there's any men involved with this entire process here. So here's Todd Blanch answering questions about will there be any prosecutions like the men that are involved in this, the people that he was trafficking these girls to, bringing inviting to his island, inviting to Zorro ranch, involved in the entire process through all of the emails. Are any of those people, those men going to be prosecuted? Watch his unbelievable response. Watch. You said this is the end of the Epstein, of your review of the Epstein files. So just to clarify, is the public going to learn the identities of, of the men who abused the girls with the information that you're releasing? And if not, why not? And then I have a quick follow up.

[Todd Blanche]

I mean you just baked in an assumption into your question that I have never said and I don't know to be true. Is the public going to learn about men that abuse these girls? Like what does that mean? I don't understand what that means.

[Clayton]

You don't understand what that means?

[Natalie]

Oh, let me show you an email.

[Clayton]

Sorry, go ahead. I'm just opining the men who abused the young women through Epstein's, through we.

[Todd Blanche]

Said in July and it remains as true today as it was in July. If we had information we meeting the Department of Justice about men who abused women, we would prosecute them.

[Bill Gates]

Right.

[Todd Blanche]

We talked about the work that we're doing. That's why I said that, I said this earlier. There's this built in assumption that somehow there's this hidden tranche of information of misconduct men that we know about that we're covering up or that we're choosing not to prosecute. That is not the case. I don't know whether there are men out there that abuse these women. If we learn about information and evidence that allows us to prosecute them, you better believe we will. But I don't think that the public or you all are going to uncover men within the Epstein files that abuse women. Unfortunately.

[Clayton]

Okay. Really? I mean, I mean did they just.

[Bill Gates]

When they were redacting all the names, did they not read any of them?

[Natalie]

It feels like they're not the content. Yeah, I mean, love the torture video. Who wrote that? What man is that? How about start with him?

[Clayton]

And by the way, as someone pointed out in our chat room, rightly so there's terabytes of these videos, right? Terabytes of these videos from all of the security camera footage. Everything under the tunnels and everything. You mean there's nothing. And who wrote the torture video emails? Who wrote, like, I can't wait to see the little girls.

[Natalie]

Should I torture her or do her? Yeah, that was a man. That one was not redacted, actually, just so. So, yeah. Why some men and not others, too?

[Clayton]

And just so we're clear, right, Epstein cultivated an elite social circle. He procured at least 1,000, according to the reports, a thousand underage girls, teens, young women who were subjected to repeated rape, sexual violence, torture. There's reports of killings as well from him and his associates. So for Todd Blanche to be. What men are you talking about here? What men are you even talking about? And he's asking, what men? I mean, it's just unbelievable here. And, like, he's acting like that reporter is like a, you know, like, retarded or something.

[Natalie]

Right? We. We can read that. That's. There's an email that you may have seen circulating where he says, I never thought I'd be able to kill somebody, but. And now look, we can all make jokes like that, like, oh, my God, I'm gonna kill my husband, or, you know, that kind of thing. Okay, well, you know, I'm gonna kill him for doing that. Like, in. Colloquially. That's not a shocking. Don't act so offended.

[Clayton]

Okay, well, I just don't know if I'd need to prepare for.

[Natalie]

I absolutely have no motivation to kill my.

[Clayton]

Make sure that's. Or desire on the record.

[Natalie]

O. But in the context of how much violence that they have admitted to here, we don't know. So it's a valid question. Did someone die? Do you know about. Did you follow up on this one? On this instance between these two people? Right.

[Clayton]

So, yeah, that's one piece of the story. And the other piece of the story. While the mainstream media right now is focused on Trump making fun of Kaitlan Collins and they're, like, cleverly editing that video, leaving out the full context of it, by the way, they're totally ignoring the crazy revelations in the Epstein files. And honestly, this one stops. Stops you in your tracks. The email show Jeffrey Epstein was openly working on cloning and building designer babies, gene editing. As far back as 2018. He was mapping it out in emails as a funding opportunity. In one email, chain researcher Brian Bishop sends Epstein a detailed plan to basically move from, quote, garage biology to the first. So was it garage biology, the stuff they're doing in the tunnels. We know that Epstein had a full, full almost like hospital level amount of equipment at his facility on Epstein Island. So we're going to move from garage biology to the first live birth of a genetically modified human being within five years. Openly discussing this back and forth with Epstein with a price tag of nearly $10 million to do this. And then Epstein's response is like totally casual, no concern at all in these emails. It's like, oh, no rush. Like you're working on this. No rush. Thanks. No rush at all. Attached is the document you requested. It's the use of fund spreadsheet for the designer baby and human cloning company. This gets us out of our self funded garage biology phase to the first live birth of a human designer baby and possibly a human clone within five years. Once, no rush, once we reach the first birth, everything changes and the world will never be the same again. Must less the future of the human species. I'm happy to hop on another call. So I mean they really believe like they're, they're going to be able to pull this off at scale. And then of course, what does that mean for you know, not bringing in out. See one of the big problems is bringing in like outside babies, right? Babies you're getting from adoption clinics, a babies, you know, children that you're getting from, I don't know, sex trafficking operations, which obviously then that can lead to the FBI, that can lead to all sorts of problems. But if you're like cloning babies on your island, I mean it sounds like a fricking James Bond story.

[Natalie]

Worse. Worse.

[Clayton]

Worse. Yeah, you're cloning babies so that you can sexually abuse them and then no one's gonna miss them cuz no one knows they exist. It gets worse. The emails ask about how to work around US laws. So they're openly discussing Brian Bishop and Jeffrey Epstein about how they can just get around US laws here. It basically confirms they need to skirt US laws partnering with overseas clinics where regulations are looser. He says medical tourism, foreign labs, basically jurisdiction shopping. Basically. How do we pull this off without getting shut down? Because you see Jeffrey in the middle there. We need to get a read on legal first. Can't do anything where US rules apply to US citizens regardless of where it's such a great subject. What type of investors have you been talking to? Because he talks about being in Tokyo and he got some bites from people that are interested in investing in this. Wouldn't it be interesting to find out which investors were openly ready to throw their Money behind Epstein and human cloning. Maybe we'll get to the bottom of that again. Todd Blanche. Maybe we could figure out who's ready to do that.

[Natalie]

It's. It's fine if they're not men. We'll just take the names. That's okay if you're really invested in connecting with, protecting men.

[Clayton]

Yeah, well, and the timing matters on all of this because this was happening the same year that China announced the human embryo gene editing, and right before, by the way, the world found out about the CRISPR babies. One email even mentions moving toward an embryo editing method more similar to cloning. There's no proof that Epstein ever successfully cloned anyone, to my knowledge. If you have it, please share it. Maybe Todd Blanche and his crack staff knows if they actually managed to pull this off. But, I mean, he said five years. That was 2018. Of course, he was found dead in 2019, or allegedly found dead in 2019, or he's still alive somewhere. Who knows? Exactly. So I don't think he had all the time to really feel this out. But what is clear is that he was financially and intellectually involved in this process with people actively trying to genetically engineer babies, clone human beings, and then, I mean, I would just have to say Occam's razor here and then have your way with them.

[Natalie]

Well, yes, and in the context of. There are separate tranche of emails where he's exploring the idea of starting sex tourism companies. So, you know, how you can go on what other kind of tourism, like birth tourism, or let's think of some that's on the up and up. I don't know, like leaf peeping. Like, can we. Can we, you know, start a company of tourism, but only for perverts, and then they go to a place where no international law applies. So in the context of this, if they could make the babies, get the babies to a lawless place place, and then get their customers there as well, can we get them visas? Can we get. This is the vision, right? Is that we. We grow you things to abuse and get you there. I've not seen anybody make this leap before, but it's abundantly clear now that you make these documents plain that that's. That was the dream. That was where that this. This was going. And there are people alive who still want that.

[Clayton]

Well, and arguably why he was so, so interested in Ukraine, of course, we've. We've cataloged here on the show repeatedly about the child sex trafficking operations, the baby operations, the baby centers, the baby making factories inside of Ukraine. Deeply Deeply disgusting is the country of Ukraine and how corrupt those individuals are. So, and as Annie in our chat room says, genetic modification is legal in Ukraine. USAID funded 30 and more, more bio labs in Ukraine, of course. So all of that to say Epstein was open to this. He was talking about it in private emails back in 2018. And so you know, how much more stuff is hidden in there, we don't know. Now moving on. Bill Gates, do you want to take this Bill Gates?

[Natalie]

Oh, sure. Bill Gates says, no, I didn't do that. I really didn't do that. I didn't get an email like that. It's preposterous. I am the cleanest guy you ever met in the earth is basically what he's saying. Now remember, this is in the context of one of the emails that was released, which was an email from Jeffrey Epstein to himself in which he details how he's disappointed that Bill Gates wants to end their friendship. And he gives a laundry list of all the ways he has been loyal to Bill Gates over the years, including getting, getting him some Russian ladies, helping him to get antibiotics when Bill Gates had contracted him an STD that he didn't want his wife to know about because inevitably she would have it too. Bill Gates was given an opportunity to respond to this and here's what he said.

[Bill Gates (Interview Clip)]

No, the. Apparently Jeffrey wrote an email to himself. That email was never sent. The email is, you know, false. So I don't know what his thinking was there. It just reminds me, you know, every minute I spent with him, I regret and I, you know, apologize that I did that. You know, it's factually true that I was only at dinners, you know, I never went to the island, I never met any women. And so, you know, the more that comes out, the more clear it'll be that although the time was a mistake, it had nothing to do with that kind of behavior.

[Clayton]

Yeah, so nothing to see here. I just sent an email.

[Natalie]

He just sent an email to himself about our friendship. He just liked to do that. Right? He just wanted to. It was fan fiction.

[Clayton]

No STDs, no Russian hookers, I didn't go there.

[Natalie]

You'll see none of that. And also he's breaking his arm, patting himself on the back because he's saying, gosh, was I right to get rid of that guy? That was my good judgment is what he wants us to believe. Now he many times is referenced in this about now there's a jaw dropping email where somebody says to him, I was really thinking about that conversation we had recently. About how do we get rid of poor people? When you ask that to Bill Gates. This is an email to Epstein where he's saying, remember that fascinating dinner conversation we had? How do we get rid of poor people now? I don't think their intention was to lift people out of poverty. I don't think so. I'm going to not give them the benefit of altruism as a motivation. What it seemed to be is that they are interested in depopulation. Here's what Bill Gates had to say about all this. Let's get rid of some people. Pandemic planning Inflicting suffering on the global population watch.

[Clayton]

So you think something like Covid could have been prevented?

[Bill Gates (Interview Clip)]

No, absolutely. The tools we have now, diagnostic tools, would have stopped it from being a global epidemic. You know, the corollary of how important the money is is that when it's reduced, it has tragic effects.

[Clayton]

Do you have an idea or can you give an estimation to what that's costing in lives or in health or in well being of people around the.

[Bill Gates (Interview Clip)]

World at the turn of the century, over 10 million children under five died every year. We cut that in half by 2024. Sadly, because of the interruptions, that number went up by several hundred thousand last year. So that's, you know, we've gone from the greatest decline to an increase. So there are already hundreds of thousands of deaths from the money being cut off.

[Clayton]

What then is the next step to preventing something like that from happening again? Is it as simple as people spending more money or is there some other focus that has to be the focus of the world?

[Bill Gates (Interview Clip)]

Well, you have to do constant surveillance, including things like sewage surveillance or taking people who have respiratory infection and making sure you know what it is. So we understand far better how to do diagnosis. We know what to look for. The world hasn't come together yet to create that surveillance system. When it does break out, we need to come up with drugs and vaccines very quickly. We have some great technology for that. So that could have been worse. That is the death rate from that pandemic.

[Clayton]

So he goes on to say that basically, yeah, the next pandemic is coming. So he's already sort of forecasting it, so just like he did the last one. So we know that that's coming and he's.

[Natalie]

So he wants more powers of surveillance.

[Clayton]

Push us into a mass surveillance state is exactly what he do. He wants us to have our, our sewage surveilled, everything right. So that's kind of.

[Natalie]

I would love to have known. We don't get it from that email. What did Bill Gates say when Jeffrey Epstein said, how do we get rid of poor people? What was that? Because it does seem like Bill Gates is doing a pretty good job, you know, at thinning out certain populations, if you know what I mean. Seems like that. That's allegedly so. Yeah. What. And the. The idea, right, that these globalist elite pedophile perverts are having a conversation about how to get rid of poor people. I don't know why that's not a front page. I just don't know. I don't. I don't know. I don't understand the world also.

[Clayton]

And I should point this out. So Billy Meier and the Billy Meyer materials. And thanks to Michael Horn for sending this to. I mean, you can read more about [e-mail] he had already predicted this back in 1958 on all of the sexual abuse and the elites who will basically put children as hunted and killed for the price of their organs. He said in 1958 that this was going to happen, that their blood, their organs, all of it would be used, their consciousness, all of it, and they would make a profit from it. He was saying this back in 1950. So go and read those materials. He predicted exactly what's happening right now. All right, coming up, we're going to talk with Roger Stone here in a second about Steve Bannon's connections with Jeffrey Epstein. It's. This has been a weird story that I've wanted to get to the bottom of for a while. Roger has been on this story for. For a long time. And. And we're going to dive deeply into that in just a moment. Plus, we're going to look at Epstein's intelligence connections after that with John Kiriakou, who's going to be joining us.

[Natalie]

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[Clayton]

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[Roger Stone]

Your child's life. Do you think you're the Devil himself?

[Clayton]

No. But I do have a good mirror. It's a serious question. Do you think you're the devil himself? I don't know. Why would you say that?

[Roger Stone]

Because you have all the attributes.

[Clayton]

You're incredibly smart.

[Todd Blanche]

You remember, the Devil is.

[Clayton]

Somebody knows. The Devil's what?

[Roger Stone]

The Devil's brilliant. You read Milton's Paradise Lost?

[Natalie]

No.

[Clayton]

The Devil scares me. Satan is satisfied.

[Todd Blanche]

Satan.

[Roger Stone]

He is at the number one or two.

[Clayton]

Archangel. He also helped Epstein think through how to reshape his image after he was already a convicted sex offender. That's not speculation. It's actually in. It's on the record. Here he is a few months before Epstein's fake suicide, telling him that we need to help reshape your image away from pedophilia to more of a philanthropist.

[Natalie]

You can be both, Clayton.

[Clayton]

Be a pedophile and a philanthropist.

[Natalie]

I mean, they're not mutually exclusive.

[Clayton]

I mean, we saw Jimmy Savile, right, in the uk. Exactly right. You can be a philanthropist, judge, philanthropist and a pedophile. What makes this even stranger, though, is that publicly, Bannon was positioning himself like as a crusader for truth on the Epstein files himself. You recall, he's demanded everything be released, even attacked others for their associations with Epstein. Oddly. But behind the scenes, the emails messages paint a very different picture. Mocking allies in private, keeping Epstein very close, and playing what looks like kind of a double game here, which I still don't understand. So what's really going on here? Why was Epstein so interested in Bannon? And why was Bannon willing to give him the time, attention and access, like sitting down for 15 hours to film documentaries or footage? I mean, I don't know. While the rest of the world already knew exactly who he was, people like Norm Finkelstein had already made their distancing from him. But Bannon was okay with it. It's really weird. To help us unpack all of this, we're joined now by Roger Stone. Roger's been very outspoken on Bannon, his associations with Epstein. Stone as the author of the Bush Crime Family. By the way, the Bushes are all over the Epstein files. It's really dark and disgusting ways. And Roger joins us now. Roger, good to see you again. Welcome back to the show.

[Roger Stone]

Great to be here. Imagine my surprise when I saw an email released by the Justice Department in which, in a conversation, an email conversation with Steve Bannon, Jeffrey Epstein attacked me because I gave an Interview in which I pointed out the connections between the Epstein's operation and the Clintons. Because Epstein provided the seed capital for the Clinton foundation for the Clinton Global Initiative he funded, a nonprofit called Terra Mar, was run by Ghislaine Maxwell, that, that came from the Clinton foundation as well. Supposed to be an environmental group, actually kind of a grooming pool of young interns for Jeffrey Epstein. But you're exactly right after. Well, after Epstein has been convicted of sex crimes in Florida, Jeff. And immediately after being fired at the White House, Steve Bannon emerges as an advisor trying to help reshape his image. I believe the some 15 hours of videotape that reportedly exists is. Is Bannon coaching Epstein on how as he says in the emails, not to look creepy, to look less threatening if asked about that, whether the girls look young, young was reported insist that they were of age even though they looked young, which of course was not true. So his role here. And he constantly denigrates President Trump. So he's on the war room defending President Trump, but in the emails with Epstein, he's calling Trump stupid.

[Natalie]

How can that be? Can I ask you? You know, I guess as I understand your reputation is that you've always had a proximity to, to President Trump and you know, his associates. And so it seems kind of risky for you to be putting this out here. Have you ever asked anybody why, why this, why this proximity? What's going on here? Why is this in our orbit? It seems dangerous.

[Roger Stone]

Well, first of all, defined in our orbit, I don't think Steve Bannon is an intimate advisor to the President anymore.

[Natalie]

Hasn't been for a while.

[Roger Stone]

From the Trump White House, to go to your question as to why, I suspect that the answer is money. In all honesty, I mean, Steve Bannon's operations, initially financed by the mercers of conservative folks from Long island, then from the very controversial Miles Walk, a Chinese national. So I suspect he was looking for money, but he was coaching Epstein on anti Trump activities. But when Trump won and Epstein was shocked and his associates said what do we do now? He said, don't worry, we have Bannon so. Or Bannon with me to quote it exactly. So these emails and these photos are even creepier. Epstein gave Bannon an expensive Hermes Apple watch. So this is not some casual one time relationship. He is actively advising Epstein on rehabilitating his image. I believe that the 15 hours of videotape are practice sessions for a 60 Minutes interview that was scheduled but then canceled after Epstein was arrested after being indicted by the Trump Justice Department in 2019.

[Clayton]

What do you say to critics to say? Well, it's hard to trust Roger Stone. He was probably in on it as well. What do you say to critics?

[Natalie]

Well, you're called a conspiracy theorist.

[Roger Stone]

I mean, yes, I was in an. Epstein attacked me for pointing out his connections with the Clintons. Look, in my 2015 book, the Clintons War on Women. The longest chapter in the book, Chapter 7, Orgy island, is about Jeffrey Epstein.

[Clayton]

Why?

[Roger Stone]

Because I read every word of the sworn testimony of Virginia Roberts Giuffre, for example, and other victims who refused to settle with Epstein. That's why I'm certain that Bill Clinton was on the island. Three different witnesses in their sworn testimony in federal court place him on the island. On one occasion, Virginia Roberts Giuffre says that Jeffrey had flown into 17 year old twin sisters for Bill Clinton's amusement. It's there in the sworn testimony. Also, the FAA manifest records for the Lolita Express show you that Bill Clinton was on the island. So Clinton's position, he was never on the island. As falls that he was only on the plane a few times. He was on the plane 27 times, including when he and Jeffrey Epstein flew to to meet the Sultan of Brunei, who is a notorious pedophile, where they picked up a multi million dollar check for the Clinton Foundation.

[Clayton]

Can I ask you. So I want to follow up on the Bannon piece of this. You have, I think you've said, and correct me if I'm wrong, but have you called Bannon an intelligence asset here? Because a lot of us are wondering.

[Roger Stone]

No, look, I have. I'm very clear and I'll disclose this. I have a beef with Bannon because he testified at the House Intelligence Committee, as I did. He was asked specifically, did you ever discuss WikiLeaks, Julian Assange or these allegedly stolen emails that were allegedly at the heart of the Russian collusion hoax. And he said no, never. You can imagine my surprise when he showed up my trial in New York as a witness for Robert Mueller and asked the exact same question. He said, oh yes, Stone brought it up in every conversation I had with him in 2016, by the way, I passed three polygraph tests on that narrow question. Never happened. And then he went on to say that I was the campaign's access point to WikiLeaks. I ask you, how do you lie under oath about Russian collusion that we now know never actually happened? So I assume that Bannon testified falsely against me. It's called perjury because he was facing indictment for the embezzlement of $15 million from the build the Wall Foundation. He was pardoned for that crime, federally re indicted in New York State. He pled guilty to it, and then, strangely enough, a Democrat judge gave him no jail time where his two coconspirators in that controversy got long jail sentences. So it's very, very odd, but that is the basis of my beef with him. And now these Epstein connections are extraordinary.

[Natalie]

Why do you think we've seen the leftist media attack Steve Bannon when he was useful to President Trump? You know, entire Daily show pieces on him. Democrats had this information for the entire eight years that Obama, presumably for most of Obama's presidency and all of Biden's, and yet when they attack Steve Bannon, it's for being this sort of racist, crazy alt. Right? But this is very damning. I feel that way about all of the allegations. If they had this, why did they sit on it and make up dumb shit? I guess is my question. What is your response to that?

[Roger Stone]

Well, like, there's two parts of this. It is absolutely clear, and I show this in my book in 2015, the Clinton's War on Women, that, that Trump cuts Epstein off in 2004. That's a year before he's charged with sex crimes in Florida. He cuts him off entirely because Epstein made an improper advance to Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who's then working at the spa at Mar a Lago. That's it for Trump and Epstein. He's never allowed on Trump property. Trump. Trump is on Epstein's plane, I think, on three occasions. But on all three occasions, he's flying from Peterborough, New York, to Palm beach for the weekend. And he doesn't go. He's never in Epstein's home. He never goes to Epstein's Island. And his then wife, Marla Maples and his daughter Tiffany are on the flight as well. So that proves nothing whatsoever.

[Natalie]

Right. And if we could just quickly go over what we have from the new documents about President Trump, it is again, allegations from either civil litigation or from complainants. We don't have video, we don't have emails, we don't have anything like that. So it's on the level of what we've had before. And again, I want to ask you, it even allegations would have been useful to Democrats against the president. What tells the reason they never dragged this out, I think, is because they're just as complicit, if not more so. And so again, these, the media would love this. They would have used it, right, if they weren't in on it.

[Roger Stone]

The reason they don't use it is because there is no. They're there.

[Natalie]

In other words, that usually doesn't stop them, you know.

[Roger Stone]

No. And they continue to try to imply. Let me get this straight.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Roger Stone]

An anonymous caller said, calls up and says, donald Trump raped me when I was 13 years old. I can't remember where, I can't remember when, and I can't tell you my real name. And we're expected to believe that. Please, give me a break.

[Clayton]

Right, so I'm sorry, you were making your point, though, about why wouldn't they have used this with Steve Bannon?

[Roger Stone]

It's kind of interesting that this has not gotten the kind of coverage that I thought it would get. Now. There's still a substantial number of emails. The Department of Justice has not fully carried out their mandate under the law. There was a lot of abandon in the first tranche. There's more now in the second tranche. Here's what we did learn. Bannon was supposed to go to Epstein's island to film Epstein. That was interrupted by Epstein's. By Epstein's arrest. But there is one exchange in which Epstein says to Bannon, you can use my place in Palm beach or my island anytime. And Epstein says, thank you, my brother. Who calls a child sex trafficker and pedophile my brother, not me.

[Clayton]

Right.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Clayton]

You know, so, Roger, I guess we'll get you out of here on this. How deep do you think that this goes with Steve Bannon here? Do you think it's just simply about the money, or was it more?

[Roger Stone]

They do. They don't seem to have. They're not philosophically simpatico. Although Epstein is helping Bannon connect with certain European leaders and so on. No, I think it's ultimately about the search for money, the search to prop up a political operation. Now Bannon says he's running for president. Fine. I'll be out there asking these questions.

[Natalie]

Roger Stone, thank you so much for this perspective.

[Clayton]

Roger, I should point out you were the one that pointed out like, that Trump was a federal informant, basically with the FBI calling out Epstein. And one of the reasons, I think, largely, I don't know if we can make this leap, that he was arrested, but we can address that another time. Great to be with you.

[Roger Stone]

Thanks.

[Clayton]

Thanks, Roger. All right.

[Natalie]

I mean, look, someone in the chat said, are you running cover for Trump? Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[Clayton]

We're just putting the facts out there. Again, you can actually frickin read in the documents that he was tipping off the FBI. He was working with The FBI against Epstein. That's in the frickin documents.

[Natalie]

And the allegations we have now, now from the new files that were released and then deleted are again allegations from victims. It's worth knowing. Did the FBI. Hey, anybody follow up on that? Okay, you have these. What did you do? Did you do anything about it? They don't tell us. We don't have communications, private communications, other than from the civil litigation. We are owed these answers. I don't have a desired outcome whether or not President Trump did or did not not do those things. I would like to see all of it. So, no, I'm not writing cover for anybody. Middle finger to that comment, but also.

[Clayton]

The doj, like this is part of the strategy, right, which is to put this, create this chaos, right? And you give you, you drip out fragments and pieces without context, you redact names where we could actually find the context and pull all of this together. Right. And so you, you know, that's, that's how, that's the strategy here. It's the chaos strategy.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Someone's saying Trump's all over these. You said nothing. We are saying it. We, we definitely are. And again, we need direct communication. We need more. We are saying somebody. These were, these were awful allegations that were made against President Trump prior to Epstein's 2008 conviction. And we need to know, did somebody follow up on that or was that like. Yeah, they were just there in this allegations.

[Clayton]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Anybody want to look into that?

[Clayton]

How about we look 13 year old girls? Okay, well, can we, we have the name. Who is this person? Who are all these people that are. Where are all these claims coming from? Like, I would love to see it all. Show us all of it.

[Natalie]

Well, not the names of the accusers at this point. No, that's not what you're saying. We don't do that.

[Clayton]

I, I know, but I want to get the answers on it.

[Natalie]

Right. And then what was done. Okay, how about that? Yeah, yeah. We're not saying it happened, we're not saying it didn't. We don't know because they're breadcrumbing us. Okay, coming up, we're going to talk to John Kiriaku about the intelligence piece of this. How did Epstein represent so many different interests, including so many different countries? Was it the kgb? That's funny. Did he do that after the KGB was dissolved? Was it Mossad? We're going to talk about that. But first I want to tell you about our friends over at Bright Core Nutrition. Because, you know, early onset dementia and Alzheimer's are On the rise. Reports show that a 373% increase recent diagnosis among young people under the age of 44. So when doctors treat brain disease, they often focus on the brain itself. Ading addressing the symptoms but not the root cause, which of course is chronic inflammation and oxidative stress. These factors damage brain cells and lead to the buildup of these toxic proteins, amyloid proteins, which you which are an indicator of oncoming Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's. But like much of the body, many brain tissues track back to the gut microbiome. There is a direct communication line between your gut and your brain, where gut bacteria influence inflammation, mood, memory and cognitive function. That's why what you eat matters. Now, you might know the health benefits of kimchi, but you're not used to eating it because it's not really a part of the American diet. Kimchi contains contains 900 probiotic strains and includes bioactive compounds that help reduce inflammation, protect your brain cells, and even improve memory and cognitive function by preventing amyloid beta plaque buildup. That's why Bright Core created Kimchi one, so you don't have to eat it every day. If you're not quite used to it or you don't like it, you can take a supplement and get all of these benefits. There's no taste, no smell. It's just swallow a pill. It's no GMOs made in the USA. So check out the benefits of adding kimchi to your daily supplement routine. Go to mybrightcore.com redacted or call 888-404-6312 for 50% off plus free shipping. Once again, that's mybrightcore.com redacted. Use the code redacted at checkout and get 25% off.

[Clayton]

Lance, in our chats as your guest yesterday, David Ike gave us incredibly eye opening information. I always ask, how could a human do something like this? I now understand to observe from an energetic standpoint. Thank you, lance, for your $19 super chat. Really appreciate that.

[Natalie]

Yeah, thank you. He was fantastic.

[Clayton]

Yeah. All right, here's another fantastic guest. How exactly did Epstein operate as an intelligence asset for the CIA? Mossad, MI6, SBU, all of them? Quite honestly, how does this work exactly? Well, if you listen to the Zionist controlled media, they are now bending over backwards to paint Epstein as a Russian intelligence asset. Ignoring all of the other connections, here is Bari Weiss's CBS News Watch.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Poland says it's looking into possible connections between convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and Russian intelligence services. The announcement came after the US Justice Department last week released millions more files related to the federal investigation into Epstein. Polish prime minister Donald tesk said said Tuesday, quote, more and more leads, more and more information and more and more commentary in the global press all relate to the suspicion that this unprecedented pedophilia scandal was co organized by Russian intelligence services.

[Clayton]

About any links, by the way. By the way, I love how CBS knew. You don't even know that the Polish. The leader. I'm sorry, the leader is named Tusk, but okay, Tusk. Anyway, how does all of. How does all this come together? John Kiriakou is a CIA whistleblower. Of course the Obama administration went after him big time as he was trying to expose everything that the Obama administration was doing. John, welcome back to the show. Great to see you as always.

[John Kiriakou]

Thank you. Great to see you. Thanks for having me.

[Clayton]

We have a lot to talk about here and I know Natalie wants to unpack specifically the KGB side of this in a second, but I want to first start off and understand the mechanics. If you could maybe helping us understand how exactly would. Because people are saying, oh, he's mossad or he's CIA. And I think you have said to us in the past that he's probably just an asset associated or in alignment with them. How does. How exactly. Does that work? How exactly did it work for him, do you believe?

[John Kiriakou]

Well, I've been. I'm proud to say I've been consistent that from the beginning I said that I thought he was what was called an access agent, most likely for the mossad. An access agent is somebody who can. Can give you access to people that you're really interested in. It's not necessarily going to be Jeffrey Epstein that has access to classified information, but Peter Mendelsohn certainly does and Bill Clinton does, and the former prince Andrew certainly did. And maybe you get some business information, business secrets or economic secrets from the likes of Bill Gates. So I think that Jeffrey Epstein was probably recruited by the Israelis to provide access to the targets that the Israelis were really interested in. But with that said, an access agent is somebody who also can still be a free agent. And so if the FBI has a question, and maybe you can establish a quid pro quo with the FBI, maybe you answer the FBI's question or the CIA or the MI6 or MI5 or the French or whomever, because you want to bank those. Those favors and maybe have some goodwill down the line in case you get jammed up. He got jammed up and he didn't have anybody to help him.

[Clayton]

Can I just follow up on that? Real Quick. Which is one of the big questions that Congressman Thomas Massie wanted. He told me earlier in the week. He said that among the missing things that they demanded as part of the Epstein Transparency act was the name of the person or persons who were responsible for giving him such a lenient sentence in 2007, 2008. Would that be intelligence related, do you believe?

[John Kiriakou]

I think it's 100% intelligence related, Alex Acosta has said. Alex Acosta, the former Secretary of Labor, who at the time was the U.S. attorney who prosecuted Jeffrey Epstein, said that the order to give Epstein a sweetheart sentence came from the top. And when asked why, all he said was intelligence. So make of that what you will. But then you have to think, who has authority over a U.S. attorney? Well, frankly, the only person who has authority, direct Authority over a U.S. attorney is the Attorney General. At the time, that was Alberto Gonzalez. Alberto Gonzalez, God bless him, was a lightweight. It wasn't up to Alberto Gonzalez. So who was above Alberto Gonzalez? It was the President and the Vice president. So what do we make of that? Was it George W. Bush that ordered this? If so, why? Was it Dick Cheney? If so, why? But I think we have a right to know.

[Natalie]

Yeah, absolutely. What do you make of this media narrative that, oh, definitely, he's kgb. I mean, set aside the fact that the KGB has been dissolved since the 90s, and Epstein was doing most of his work in the 2000s. The way Darryl Cooper explained it, on top of Tucker Carlson, I thought was great because he could move between governments. If Mossad wanted an introduction to somebody in the kgb, then you have these shadow actors that can act as a liaison. That's what Robert Maxwell, in fact, did. So can you extrapolate on that role? And are there people still doing it?

[John Kiriakou]

I think that is exactly correct. I think that he really has. Has nailed it, you know, the Israelis. I'm gonna get threats from the Israelis again. Every time I say something like this, I get threats, but I'm gonna say it again anyway. The Israelis are free agents. The Israelis are not necessarily our friends. They are when it suits them. But when it suits them to be friendly with the Russians, they go with the Russians or with the Chinese or the Germans or, you know, anybody. It doesn't make any difference. The Israelis do what's best for the Israelis. And if that means using a source like Jeffrey Epstein and passing information on to a hostile intelligence service, or at least one that's hostile to the United States, that's exactly what they're going to do. I got into a spirited Debate with Alan Dershowitz about this on the Piers Morgan show a few weeks ago. And I thought the man was gonna have a stroke when I said that Jeffrey Epstein was most likely working on behalf of the Israelis. And then he said something that was completely, completely backward. He said that he had been Epstein's attorney, and if Epstein had been working for the Israelis, he would have told Dershowitz and Dershowitz would have used that information to get Epstein an even lighter sentence. And I said, wait a minute, professor, if you're saying that you would have gone to the White House to say, my client is committing espionage for the Israeli government, you think that would have gotten him a lighter sentence? I think he would have been hanging from a tree right from there. Yeah.

[Clayton]

He would have been put in prison for the rest of his life or put to death.

[John Kiriakou]

Exactly.

[Natalie]

Well, that's how it's supposed to work. We're seeing that it doesn't right now. You can meet with former Israeli or former US traitors.

[John Kiriakou]

And Jonathan Pollard. Well, Jonathan Pollard got. He did every day of his 30 years. Of course he's, you know, he's a hero in Israel now and he's running for the, the Knesset, but he did every single day of his 30 years.

[Natalie]

Oh, good point, good point.

[Clayton]

And then now he gets to hang out with Ambassador Mike Huckabee, who's apparently friends with them. So that's how it works.

[John Kiriakou]

VIP treatment in the American Embassy.

[Clayton]

Unbelievable. So the mechanics of this, I'm just still trying to wrap my head around. Jeffrey Epstein's just sitting there in his sex layer or whatever, and he just gets a phone call, he gets a pager. Come meet me in the park. We want you to do this. Shake this hand, because the other hand is shaking it back. What does that look like for somebody like Jeffrey Epstein?

[John Kiriakou]

Well, if Jeffrey Epstein were treated as a normal source, then the answer is yes. You get a phone call saying, hey, how's your mom doing? And the answer is, my mom is feeling much better, thank you. And that means, meet me at the parking lot of the yacht Club at 2 o' clock in the morning. You have this all set up in advance. And then he goes and does his meeting and gets his marching orders.

[Clayton]

And so there wouldn't be an email trail here, right, John? I guess that's.

[John Kiriakou]

Oh, no, no, no. There would never be an email trail. This is all done verbally or just using signals. You remember during Watergate, Deep Throat would. Would react to Bob Woodward putting an American flag in a flower pot on his apartment Balcony that triggered a meeting that night at 9 o'clock in a parking garage in Roslyn, the Roslyn neighborhood of Arlington, Virginia. So all of this is always set up in advance so you never have to actually put anything in writing or say, meet me at 8 o'. Clock.

[Natalie]

So, okay, that is covert. It's done by signals. But all the sex stuff was overt and written out and in writing. So.

[Clayton]

Okay, yeah, good point.

[Natalie]

Explain that to me. And then can you please. Or just take an opinion, because I don't think you're doing that. I don't think you can personally explain it. And then also I would like to know how you think this international spy espionage relates to this demonic sex predator. Are they related or is it just that one allowed the other, or did one actually give leverage for the other because. Or are they unrelated?

[John Kiriakou]

Yeah, no, that's a great question and a very important one. And I think that they were two issues running parallel with one another. I think that the Israelis, or whomever was the recruiter of Jeffrey Epstein, said, this guy has a major vulnerability. And his vulnerability is that he's a pedophile. We can use that to our advantage. He can get us information, we'll continue to supply him with money and we'll just turn a blind eye to his pedophilia. So they were able to identify that vulnerability, that hook, in order to. To hook him and reel him in. And then they just let him do his thing with girls and important world leaders and just let the cards fall where they fell.

[Clayton]

How much of it do you think was a honeypot operation?

[John Kiriakou]

I think it probably became a honeypot operation. I'm wondering. You have to figure this was going on for decades. And I'm wondering if any intelligence service, even one as good as the Israelis, was able to see so far in advance that they could turn this into a honeypot. I mean, of course it's obvious by the late 1990s or the early 2000s that's exactly what it is, that you can entrap as many of these movers and shakers as you possibly want to look at. Peter Mandelstand. You know, I've been thinking about this all day today. Peter Mendelssohn, the former British Ambassador to the United States, the member until earlier this week of the House of Lords. He's in so deep now after lying and lying and lying that he barely knew Jeffrey Epstein. He's in so deep that this risks collapsing the British government. There were calls by members of the Labor Party today for the Labour Prime Minister Keir Starmer to resign because he had been so easily duped by Peter Mendelssohn. So the stakes are very, very high here. This is really serious.

[Clayton]

Giving him state secrets. Yeah. Funneling state secrets to Jeffrey Epstein, I mean, that's treason. I don't know how he avoids prison at this point.

[John Kiriakou]

I mean, and the laws. The state. The State Secrecy act law in the UK is far, far tougher than the Espionage act is here in the United States.

[Clayton]

Wow.

[John Kiriakou]

Peter Manson could find himself spending the rest of his natural life in prison.

[Natalie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Clayton]

I guess. John, we'll get you out of here on that. I'm just curious, from your perspective, having worked at the CIA, blowing the whistle at the CIA, when you're seeing all these documents and you're a guest on our show and we're specifically talking about the intelligence side, is there something you think that, like, people are missing that people haven't looked at more closely? Something that's been, like, keeping you up at night or wringing your hands that you think people need to pay attention to?

[John Kiriakou]

You know, one of. One of the things that bothers me very much is that the more important people become in their lives, the more we as a society are willing to cut them slack, and we shouldn't do that. People are people, and people are sexual beings. God knows what's in their hearts. God knows what they do behind closed doors. And. And so nobody should be given the benefit of the doubt in crimes where children are the victims.

[Natalie]

Right. I just got upset because Roger Stone was on the show and he said, absolutely, Trump didn't do anything. And I said, well, these documents are not favorable. Did somebody look into them? Because I don't have any kind of preconceived notion whether Trump is innocent or guilty. I would like to see proof. I would like to see them be transparent with us. And now that we have more allegations, a valid question. Is anybody. Follow up on that? Is there anything there? Anybody?

[John Kiriakou]

So far, no.

[Natalie]

Right?

[Clayton]

So far, no.

[Natalie]

So I take your answer to be nobody is above scrutiny, especially because our jobs as the adults of the world is to protect children.

[John Kiriakou]

That is it right there. I have five children of my own, and if this had happened to one of them, I'm not sure I could control myself.

[Natalie]

John Wick level. Yeah, yeah, John Wick.

[Clayton]

I mean. I mean, guess what about Trump? I mean, there's a lot of going back and forth here on this. Right? You have.

[John Kiriakou]

Yeah. You know, if I were Donald Trump and I were confident in my innocence, I would Just release everything. Just release it. Yeah. And put it to bed.

[Clayton]

Alex Jones was saying, you know, he was saying, look, the big rub here for Trump is that he waited so long to release it that if he releases everything that he'll be absolved of everything. So if that's the case, then release it all. Why are you continue to insult reporters like Caitlin, John? I mean, I don't have any love for whatever any of these reporters from cnn, but like just release everything then so no one has to ask any questions. Like, what is there to hide if you're so innocent? Release everything.

[John Kiriakou]

That's exactly right. I just don't understand why it has taken this long and it's not even done yet.

[Natalie]

Right?

[John Kiriakou]

No.

[Clayton]

He's shooting himself in the foot if he's truly, truly, truly innocent.

[Natalie]

Well, John, it's so good to talk to you. You run cover for nobody. Yeah, no, yeah, we don't do that.

[John Kiriakou]

Thanks for having me.

[Natalie]

We love you.

[Clayton]

Thank you, John. Always great. To Jon, tell people where people can find tell people where people can find your show.

[John Kiriakou]

Oh, thanks. I've got three, actually. I've got deprogram every day, Monday through Friday at 9am on both YouTube and rumble. I have deep focus, which drops twice a week on YouTube and on apple podcasts I have John Kiriakou's dead drop what makes a spy tick.

[Clayton]

All right, John, great to see you as always. Thanks so much for taking time.

[John Kiriakou]

My pleasure.

[Clayton]

Thanks.

[John Kiriakou]

Thank you.

[Clayton]

All right. All right, we're going to take some of your super chats here. We're going to open it up to q and a and we're going to do rumble premium in just a little bit. But first this. When your company is growing fast, order fulfillment can make or break you. And that's why I want to tell you about our friends at shipstation. That's right. Shipstation is an intelligence driven shipping platform that brings everything into one place. I've been using them for years. They put all of it there together. Order management, rate shopping, inventory and returns, warehouse systems and even analytics. Instead of juggling like five to seven disconnected tools, ShipStation pulls it all together so you can get orders out the door faster and with fewer headaches to customers. You can Connect Shipstation over 200 different sales channels and it automatically compares rates across the major carriers like the United states postal service, UPS, FedEx, even factors in your own negotiated discounts if you've already had them with one of these providers. And shipstation can unlock unlock savings up to 90% off of shipping rates and then you set up time saving automations and it just runs. ShipStation can pick the best carrier, find the best rate, print labels in bulk and actually send tracking updates automatically. Done. And the back end data is huge too because you can share tracking details which can cut customer service inquiries by 12%. Return management shows what's coming back and why and analytics show you where your saving and where to optimize. Over 1 million businesses trust ship station. Now a quick FTC note. If I were running a high volume store, this is exactly what I'd use to keep shipping from turning into a daily fire drill. So here's the deal. Try shipstation free for 60 days with full access to all features. No credit card required. Just go to shipstation.com use the code redacted for 60 days free. That's Ship Station and use that code redacted. All right, our thanks to shipstation for that. Someone in the chat room says you guys said to use Shopify. Well that's a totally different, that's a totally different service. Has nothing to do like to build your storefront and actually like we have redacted store.com. it's totally different than a shipping, a shipping company. But anyway, yeah, I've been using them for years, many many years. Okay, thanks to all of you for your super chats. We're going to open it up here to Rumble Premium in just a moment. But let me do the super chats first here on YouTube and everything before we do all of that. Chili Pepper says. Chili. Yeah, Pepper says Epstein had that old plane because you could just open the back door hatch while it was still in the air. Oh my gosh. Angie Dasner is a new member. Thank you for becoming a new member and welcome to the rebellion. Chili Pepper says. Yeah, all that stuff is in Ukraine. Exactly. The gene editing, the cloning, the, the baby making factories all, all of it deeply. We've been covering it here for years on this show for sure. Happy donuts, $5 super chat says. Any thoughts on what Epstein meant by prehistoric products in his Peter Thiel email on behalf of the Rothschilds? How can a product be prehistoric? I don't know. What do you guys think about that? I've been thinking about that and I.

[Bill Gates]

Don'T know, I just thought, I just took it to mean like not high tech, you know, like, like because he's talking about, he's talking about like, like the new technologies and stuff like that and I think he was just you know like basically referring to old tech as like being a dinosaur prehistoric. Like this Old tech.

[Clayton]

Yeah, I think that that's kind of how I read it too, but I don't know if there was another way of seeing it, so. So yeah, let us know in the. That's right. Any thoughts? Okay. Chili. Chili pepper. Thank you. A guy who had asked a PDF for an antibiotic. A guy who asks a PDF for an. Oh yeah. A pedophile for an antibiotic, then creates vaccines referring to Bill Gates. Yeah, he's a clown. Exactly. Maria says accidentally met with a 10 year old on. On Epstein island, distracted with hookers instead everyone gets hookers. That's not true. Allegedly Prague snob says Roger is dirty. He's GOP establishment trash. Ask him about Reagan and Vicky Morgan. Ask him about that. I don't know about being establishment trash because there's a lot. I mean, the establishment hates Roger Stone. I mean, I know this from interviewing Roger over the years. I mean, I've met Roger many times when I used to work at Fox News. I can tell you like he is. The establishment does not like him. And by the way, he calls out a lot of these MAGA BS influencers all the time. Like, I don't know if you noticed that, but he is not, he does not, he does not curry favor with like that MAGA Dan Bongino crowd very much. Thank you, Lance for your kind super chat. I already read that one earlier, so thank you for that. Let me see, how do I see if on the rumble as well? This called transparent administration is a bunch of small talk and complaining about the media and fake news. Nothing substantive. His son called transparent. Sorry, just trying to read this. JQ says the truth. Everyone, the smart population knows that Trump haters are being trolled and tricked into waking up. See, Mack Truck says MAGA equals Miriam Adelson governs America. I like that. That's good. That's right. None of Trump's media gaggles ever really tell us anything. It's all small talk and complaining. Go blue forever says, exactly. And by the way, it's all access journalism. So all of like the Trump MAGA people, you know, you know the people that have the shows, you know who I'm talking about, that want access journalism. They don't actually do any journalism. They just want access. That's how it works. Again, I come back to that. That's how you know exactly how this, how this works. Miserati says no pandemic possible. Again, Trump took us out of the who. Remember that there are people way more powerful than Trump right up here. And if you think that I mean, Trump gave us Operation Warp Speed, for crying out loud. So, you know, stop running. Cover for. I love the idea that, like, Trump's a toddler and he just didn't know what was going on. Like, he was duped into this, like, rushing vaccines out that hadn't been tested on humans thing. Like, we got to give Trump the benefit of the doubt. It was all Fauci. No, no, the bucks, you know, like Truman had on his desk. The buck stops here, the buck stops there. Going to push that on people for sure. So I don't. I don't give many pass for that at all. There are a lot of W women involved in this as well. All right, so we're going to move over to Rumble Premium now, I think here in a moment. But thank you guys for subscribing to the channel. We'll have content. We've got some great interviews coming out this weekend. Oh, boy. Yeah. So check those out. Please subscribe. It's totally free to subscribe here on YouTube and rumble and on X, wherever you're watching us live right now or on Beck Television. We're live on Beck Television on broadcast as well. So hello to all of our Beck TV viewers out there. There's many of you all through North Dakota, South Dakota, who watch us on Beck TV as well. So shout out to all of you guys up there as well. Thank you for being supporters of us. Okay. Yeah. Thank you guys for subscribing. Thanks for being a part of our show. I really appreciate it. And should I mention. I guess I should mention the newsletter. I always forget to do that. We do have a daily newsletter. It's free. Go to redacted.inc and subscribe to it. And it's a great way for us to stay connected with you. It's totally free. Yeah. Great way for us to do that. Oh, I should. I know I forgot something. That's what I meant. I forgot to. I'm sorry, guys. I totally forgot. Tonight we're putting on a special webinar. Our investing team from Cedira wealth is going to be hosting it. Josh from our Cedira wealth team is going to be hosting it. If you want to figure out how to actually build wealth for your family, passive income through real estate investing. And you want to get out of this rat race and this craziness of the US Dollar right now and everything that's going on with the volatility in the stock market and everything, It's a free webinar. Putting it on tonight. He's going to be doing a great job with it as well. Just go to redacted.inc.webinar. okay. Redacted.incwebinar. we only have space for, I think we only have space for a few hundred people because the software, like limits how many people we can have in there. Then we're going to open it up to Q and A and everything. So again, it'll be a great webinar. It's going to be all about education. It's totally free. If you bring your questions about everything, like what's going on the market trust right now, how to do a self directed IRA if you're interested in actually building wealth. Like years ago when I was working at Fox News and I, like couldn't pay the bills, I was getting a paycheck and I couldn't even cover my mortgage and I had three kids and it was, I had to figure out I need to start building passive income. I need to figure this out. And so that's a lot of what this webinar is going to be about tonight. So please go there. Redacted.inc webinar. Grab a seat. Just pick a, you know, reserve a seat because we only have a few seats available. So please grab that and we'll, we'll see you tonight on all of that. So Josh will do a great job with that. Okay, thank you, guys. I forgot to mention that. All right, we're going to move it over to Rumble Premium right now. So all of our Rumble Premium subscribers, thank you guys for hanging out with us and really, really appreciate it. We're going to move to Rumble Premium only right now. The rest of the show is totally free, but we're going to hang out for a few minutes on Rumble Premium. So come on over there. Just go to rumble.com premium if you want to become a Rumble Premium subscriber. No ads, and they're really fantastic. Okay, and here we go. Cut. All right. I think we're on Rumble Premium now, right? All good. All right. So what do you guys think of.

[Bill Gates]

Oh, let's see.

[Clayton]

See, let me see in the Rumble Premium room here. If I can see you guys. Do you happen to know, like, if it's Rumble Premium, Philip, like, can people watch the live stream back later and it still has the Rumble Rumble Premium lock on it or no?

[Bill Gates]

I have no idea, actually, except worried.

[Clayton]

Because I see people like later that are like, oh, now it's paid and I can't watch the show and that kind of stuff. Stuff.

[Bill Gates]

Oh, you think it, you Think it locks the whole live show or.

[Clayton]

That's what I was curious about. Once we lock it at the end, can we unlock it? Right.

[Bill Gates]

Let me check. I'll see tonight after the show. Write myself a note. I'll double check to see what happens.

[Clayton]

Zaezi says, yeah, it still has the lock on. Yes. So afterwards, which.

[Bill Gates]

For the whole show.

[Clayton]

The whole show does. So I wonder if there's a way to. Can you unlock it afterwards?

[Bill Gates]

I'll look into that. Surely there's a way.

[Clayton]

Yeah.

[Bill Gates]

Otherwise, what we'd have to do is just start doing a separate stream for the Rumble Premium. But that would be kind of a pain, but doable.

[Clayton]

Just trying to figure that out, but. Oh, okay. Zaeji just says no, just the Premium spot. Okay. So, like, the rest of the show, people can still watch. Because I don't want to, like, lock down the whole show. My point is, if someone, like, later tonight's like, oh, I missed. Redacted today because I was at work, and I want to watch the show when they go on Rumble Premium. When they go to Rumble to watch it, it's not locked for them. Right. They can still watch the whole show up until the Premium spot. I just want to confirm that. If anyone knows. I just want to have apparent. Yeah, because, like, Danby right now is posting in there, like, I don't have Premium. I can't watch the stream. This is not cool. So I think it's just. While we're. Okay, you.

[Bill Gates]

Oh, yeah, just the Rumble Premium part.

[Clayton]

Okay, good, good, good. L. Sailor says, yeah, I watch on Crowder's show. And you can come back later to finish it. Okay. All right, so we'll just hang out for a few minutes because there's a lot. That's the thing. There's a lot of people trying to. A lot of people trying to watch the show right now who missed it, you know, and they can't because it's locked while we're doing this Premium. But anyway, yeah, thank you guys for a great week. I think we did a lot of really interesting deep dives on this story because it needs to be exposed. And I. You know, I wanted to cover so many different angles on this. The child pedophilia ring, the satanic ring. We had David Icke on the show. What'd you guys think of David Icke, by the way, in the chat room? And, Philip, what'd you think? Were there anything? I just.

[Bill Gates]

I. I mean, I really. He's one of my favorite guests that we've had on so he's just so like, he's. He's just such a professional, you know, it's like I just always appreciate that other guests.

[Clayton]

Yeah, we've had a lot of good.

[Bill Gates]

Guests on this week.

[Clayton]

Yeah. Remnant disciple of Jesus Christ. What's so disappointing? What's. What's disappointing? I just want to see what he says. Oh, he's saying, like, how blasphemous Russell Brand is. Oh, he watches it to see how blasphemous he is. Ike is excellent. Dean says, yes, he is.

[Bill Gates]

And that full interview, like, it'll be cut. The front and back of the show is cut off and that'll be going live in a couple hours on both YouTube and Rumble.

[Clayton]

Great. So everyone who missed that and who wants to see the full interview with David Ike, that's going to go up separately here. JFR1 says there goes redacted off my follow list. Just like a Crowder and the rest of the premium. Dude.

[Bill Gates]

Calm down.

[Clayton]

Okay, so we're just doing this as a nice give back. I'm just going to let him know. Premium wall of the show is so the show of the show is free. I don't know why people think that. It's like.

[Bill Gates]

Yeah, I think just some people have extra hot torches and super sharp pitchforks and they don't know what to do with them, so they just swing them all over the damn place.

[Clayton]

Right. Solid steel says don't lump him in with a Crowder. Zionists. Thank you. I appreciate that. Is he a Zionist? I don't even know. I don't know anything really about him. Back in the day, I know when I was on Fox and Friends, he used to come on our show to do like kind of comedy sketches and stuff like that. Back when I worked on Fox and Friends, that's how I knew him initially, back when he was doing like comedy stuff. That's all I know about him. Yeah. Oh, he's a Zionist propagandist. I didn't know that. I literally don't watch him at all. I have no idea. I have no idea. Exactly. We're just shooting the shit here. I'm just curious, like, I'll ask you guys in the chat room, how do you normally watch this show or like consume content? Like, are you guys. Do you guys like watch on your phones? Do you guys kind of it on the Roku box? Do you put it on Apple tv? Do you watch it on your, you know, Samsung television? Do you watch it on your laptop? Like, how do you normally interact and watch. Watch content specifically like, how do you watch this show? I'd love to hear how you guys interact with our show, and we'd love having you here. And I love the chat room. How do you guys do that? Curious about that. CIA torture camp says PC Fiber computer. You watch on your phone. Marguerite says, on my phone. Who cares? 71 says Crowder is a trump shill. Stack stack mcg says my high school took my 1979 class to the Playboy Mansion. Can you imagine? That's your field trip. Hey, mom and dad, you have to sign the permission form for us to go on a field trip this Friday.

[Bill Gates]

Oh, yeah.

[Clayton]

Where are you going? To the museum. You guys going to the park to learn about leaves and ducks? No, we're going to the Playboy Mansion. Okay. I guess it must be a biology class you're learning about, though. The disgusting. That's hilarious.

[Bill Gates]

Human anatomy.

[Clayton]

Yeah. A and P. Oh, my God. Can you imagine how nasty those, like, the hot tubs must be at the. The Playboy Mansion? Oh, my God.

[Bill Gates]

Oh, yeah.

[Clayton]

Flipping my lid says I watch on my phone. Shares my phone on my iPad. I was watching on my PC. Redmond says, phone or PC, all of the above. I watch on a desktop while working. I'm old school. I watch a. Hello. Velociraptor says I'm old school. PC master race. Watching my phone, phone, phone. So a lot of people on their phones. A lot of people on their phones. Roku, but I avoid the Roku, but I avoid the clickbait titles. Fire stick.

[Bill Gates]

One thing. One thing I've always. I'm curious about is how many people just listen. You know what I mean? Like, just put it on and do something else or actually sit and watch the whole thing, because that's something that, like, I've just been curious about because I know that, like, my daughter will put on YouTube videos, and she doesn't look at them. She just does something else. Just watches, like, YouTube play.

[Clayton]

I listen to a lot of, like, if I, like, put on, like, Tucker's show or something like that, I'll take a walk. I'm walking with the dog, you know, Sometimes I'll be sitting on my couch and I'll. I'll put, like, a conversation like that on this, on the. On the tv, you know? But I'm usually doing something else where I'm listening and I'm kind of maybe just returning emails or something like that. But, yeah, a lot of people saying they're working. They have it on their desktop while they're working, and they're doing some Other things. But I think a lot of the content that I consume is a lot of conversations, deep form, long conversations and things like that. And if I'm watching some gaming stuff as well, I like to put that on and take a walk and listen to some, some gaming news or just like podcasts where they're talking about that kind of stuff. So a lot of people watching on Roku listen mostly, unless I really want to watch it. Jazzy says, yeah, I mean if you're showing something, I think that's the thing. Like, you know, if you, if like Tucker has a guest on and they're just talking, there's not going to be any like B roll, any like, hey, look at this document on your screen. You know, It's Radio Hair Juicer 3K says, I listen with a speaker on my shoulder while I'm welding.

[Bill Gates]

That's hardcore.

[Clayton]

That is hardcore. Wouldn't you. I just got a curiosity with welding. Wouldn't it be better to have like headphones on or would. Would. You're so into your craft that you know that you have to hear like the nuances of your weld or something so that you, you don't want to like block your ears. I'm just curious about that. That'd be interesting. Dean Snj says, I'm handicapped, so I watch a lot of stuff mostly on my phone. And that's based. Yeah, that's right. That's based. Someone's got a. He's got literally a speaker while he's welding. America needs more people like you, that's for sure. Mr. Venadetti says, yeah, I'll come check my phone if you guys are showing up. Still there. I watch it there. Yep. I stick in my earbuds and listen while I work. Listening. P.J. bear says I'm listening. While flying a spaceship in Elite Dangerous in the game Elite Dangerous, exploring a one to one scale model of the galaxy.

[Bill Gates]

Complete dangerous. I've heard of it. I haven't played it.

[Clayton]

I haven't played it either. Haver Art says that's what I do. I rarely watch. I mostly listen. You have to wear a mask while welding, right? I guess I know the front of your face is. Well, no, I guess. Would your, would your ears be covered with the mask? I always thought a welding mask was like the front. So I was thinking like you could have something underneath it like that are, you know, protecting your ears, you know, like some, something like an Apple AirPods Pro Max or whatever. Those large ones, you know, like over your heads. Ears and then your Mask is in the front. I don't know. Or maybe the whole. I don't know how far around it goes. Around your face, I guess. What are my thoughts? Red Bacon says, what are your thoughts on Savannah Guthrie's mom? Great question. I mean, well, it's scary, number one. Just from, like, a public figure perspective. It's scary, like, at a human level. You know, she's on television, so, you know, we've heard stories before of, like, local news anchors and stuff being stalked and attacked when they leave the TV studio. And let me just tell you about, like, local tv. Like, Savannah Guthrie's in New York City. She's got. She has to go through security building to get into. Into 30 Rock, right? Her office was, like, right across the street from mine. When I worked at Fox, if anyone wanted to try to get into the Fox News studios, it would have been very difficult. In fact, the glass on the building was, like, bulletproof, you know, like in the studio glass and, like, to get through security. There's security. So trying to get, like, some sort of ransom money from her, it's really all terrifying. Local news, though, is scary. We've heard stories of, like, local news anchors being scared, stalked, and then killed. And there's no security at all in local news, to my knowledge, unless they've added it. But look, local news has cut staff, like, big time. There used to be someone that would run the teleprompter in local news. They would literally. There was a teleprompter operator, and there was cameramen. Now they got rid of cameramen, and they use robotic cameras, and they got rid of the teleprompter operator. Now the anchors, you know, use a little dial on the desk, and they, like, move the teleprompter if they're reading news stories and things like that. So you think they're going to hire security. So every place I've worked In local news, Fox 29 in Philadelphia, like, they never had any security. You just, like, buzzed yourself into the building and you were there. That was it. And there's, you know, there's. There's. There's stories of people, like, breaking into a new studio and, like, threatening to go on the air, you know? So I don't know. It's really scary, these public, you know, in that way. But I just don't understand. I don't know. It's a very. It's all a very fishy story to me, I guess. She was set to go to cover the Olympics for the Today show. And then this happens with her mom and apparently her. Her pacemaker app.

[John Kiriakou]

That.

[Clayton]

Her mom's pacemaker app stopped communicating a few days days ago. Like, on Sunday. It stopped pinging the app, which would let you know that the pacemaker is still running. So the app that she would monitor it, like, it's just not connecting anymore. That's all very terrifying. I don't know. What do you guys make of it? Do you have any thoughts, Philip?

[Bill Gates]

I don't know enough about it to really comment on it. I'm. I've seen, like, the headlines like that, so I'm kind of aware of it, but I don't. I don't have any real information on it, so that I. There's really nothing I could say.

[Clayton]

Yeah. Yeah. Marguerite says sorry for the Guthrie situation, but Fox News reports on almost nothing else right now, trying to get us away from the Epstein files. Yeah, of course. Isn't that. That's how the mainstream media works, right? Yeah. I was at the gym this morning, and they had TVs on. I saw Fox News, and it was all Savannah Guthrie, nothing about the Epstein files. All Savannah Guthrie. Because this is, like, the perfect kind of a story for cable news. It's perfect. The mystery of it. Like, little drip, drip, drip. Pieces of information. Like, we can distract you from the Epstein files. We can distract you from what's going on with Iran. We can distract you what's happening in Saudi Arabia right now. We can distract you what's happening with the US Dollar right now. So this is perfect. That's why I'm not covering it on my show, because this is exactly the kind of thing that Fox News would cover, and I do not want to have any part of it. So that's my thoughts on it. Tevin says, yeah, it's a boomer psyop, A distraction from Epstein. Agreed? 100%. Yeah. Jay Mandela says maybe some. Someone wanted her Olympic spot. Joking. Don't come for me. Right? Maybe Matt Lauer wants to come back. Oh, boy. I was speaking to somebody the other day. It says, get away from those Bluetooth headphones and try to do either the bone conduction ones. Really good for you. Someone in the chat's talking about that. Or go back to the wired headphones I'm actually talking with right now. An EMF company. They've actually developed something which you can actually put. You can carry on your. On your person or in your house. And it harmonizes the EMF resonance. So even if you're wearing Bluetooth headphones, it actually eliminates that. That harm to your body kind of looking at the lab reports and everything. It's actually crazy. So I'm thinking about doing a story on that in the next couple of weeks. I'm going to talk with him again tomorrow, actually. I'm going to jump anywhere source on this story and I'm going to jump on with a doctor and talk about it because. Because it's a concern, you know, the idea that you're sitting there with AirPods in and it's actually like damaging your brain. But this technology that can actually harmonize it and eliminate it. So anyway, it's kind of interesting. I'll have more on that later, hopefully. All right, guys. Well, thank you guys so much. I do want to check this. Philip, let me know like if people can watch the stream after we say goodbye here on Rumble Premium.

[Bill Gates]

Yeah, yeah, I'll check it out.

[Clayton]

I want to check it, make sure people can watch it so they don't get pissed at me. You locked the whole stream up. Now we can't watch the show. So. I know because I. Hundreds of thousands of you watch it afterwards. Not everyone watches us with it live, you know, so I don't want to screw that up for people. So I'm going to talk to the Rumble team if there's a problem with this. So anyways, guys, thank you so much for hanging out with us today. Really appreciate it. Much love to you. And yeah, we'll have some great content for you this weekend. Enjoy, you know, the super bowl if you're going to watch that. And yeah, or just hang out with friends and family if you're going to do that anyway. If you don't care about football, you're just going to have some chips, hang out, have some pizza and have a good weekend. All right, guys, have a great weekend and we'll see you back here live on Monday at 4:00pm Eastern Time.