BREAKING! TRUMP THREATENS EGYPT WITH TWO CHOICES, BIOWEAPONS LABS IN MONTANA EXPOSED, JFK FILES

Summary

Redacted News – Episode Summary: BREAKING! TRUMP THREATENS EGYPT WITH TWO CHOICES, BIOWEAPONS LABS IN MONTANA EXPOSED, JFK FILES

Release Date: March 25, 2025

In this compelling episode of Redacted News, hosts Clayton and Natali Morris delve deep into a series of groundbreaking and controversial topics that mainstream media often overlooks. From geopolitical maneuvers involving former President Trump to secretive bioweapons labs and shocking revelations from newly released JFK files, this episode promises a thorough exploration of events shaping our world.

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1. Trump’s Ultimatum to Egypt: Refugees or Lost Aid [04:29]

Clayton Morris opens the discussion with a significant geopolitical revelation: former President Donald Trump has issued a stark ultimatum to Egypt. Clayton explains, “President Trump has told Egypt to accept the Gazan refugee plan, hundreds of thousands of them, or lose billions of dollars in aid” ([04:29]). This ultimatum forces Egypt to choose between accommodating a massive influx of Palestinian refugees or facing severe financial repercussions amidst an already struggling economy.

Natali adds, highlighting the historical context: “After the Camp David accords back in 1978, the US agreed to funnel billions of dollars to Egypt and Israel if they stop the war” ([05:20]). The Morris couple critiques the U.S.’s dual role in both supporting Israel militarily and pressuring Egypt economically, effectively funding both the problem and its potential solution.

2. Canada’s Snap Election and Anti-American Sentiment [24:03]

Shifting focus to North America, the episode examines Canada’s recent snap election. Natalie Morris states, “Canada is banking that they will be able to hand the Liberal Party another win based solely on fear of America” ([24:35]). Canadian journalist David Creighton joins the conversation, accusing the Liberal Party of leveraging anti-American sentiment to secure votes. Creighton criticizes Mark Carney’s candidacy, labeling him a “globalist” with intentions misaligned with Canada’s economic interests. He asserts, “He’s a man who pretends to be an outsider... He has the personality of a reptile” ([32:08]). The discussion underscores concerns about Canada’s economic stagnation due to overregulation and the Liberal Party’s failure to offer viable alternatives.

3. Exposing Bioweapons Labs in Montana [60:21]

A pivotal segment uncovers alarming information about bioweapons laboratories in Montana. Mike Benz, a former State Department official, elaborates on the sinister activities at the Rocky Mountain Laboratories. He recounts historical instances where the U.S. military used bioweapons under the guise of defensive research. Benz states, “They were building a weapon ostensibly to build a defense against the weapon” ([60:21]). The hosts connect this to current events, suggesting potential involvement in COVID-19 and Lyme disease outbreaks, implying these diseases might be engineered biological agents rather than natural occurrences.

4. Revelations from JFK Files: Did Hitler Survive? [18:51]

One of the most sensational topics covered is the newly released JFK files revealing that Adolf Hitler may have survived World War II. Clayton Morris shares astonishing claims: “Adolf Hitler didn’t kill himself... he fled Germany weeks before that using a group of underground tunnels that led to an airstrip” ([17:12]). Natali corroborates this by mentioning, “The skull that is held in Russia... is female” ([18:59]). The Morris couple references the book The Gray Wolf and suggests that these revelations could reshape historical narratives, hinting at Hitler’s survival in Argentina until the mid-1960s.

5. Fake Crowds and PsyOps at Political Rallies [35:12]

In an in-depth conversation with Mike Benz, the hosts explore the dubious authenticity of large political rallies. Benz discusses how “Astroturfing” tactics may be employed to fabricate the appearance of mass support, stating, “These are paid individuals who are showing up to these protests and rallies” ([36:37]). He draws parallels to historical U.S. intelligence operations during the Arab Spring, emphasizing the strategic use of orchestrated protests to influence public perception and policy.

6. Epstein Files and Administrative Transparency [69:54]

The episode also touches upon the delayed transparency surrounding the Epstein files. Mike Benz criticizes the Biden administration for its handling of 16 terabytes of data related to Jeffrey Epstein’s activities, suggesting that political pressures hindered full disclosure. Clayton expresses hope for increased transparency, noting, “The Trump administration is right now doing enough to provide transparency to the American people” ([69:54]), while also acknowledging ongoing challenges in accessing unredacted information.

7. Historical Context of U.S. Intelligence and Drug Cartels [41:17]

Mike Benz provides a historical overview of the U.S. intelligence community’s entanglement with narcotics trafficking. He recounts how the CIA funded drug cartels to support various geopolitical agendas, including the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and right-wing death squads in Latin America. Benz warns of the ongoing influence of these networks, stating, “These narco networks serve as paramilitary muscle for US statecraft” ([51:07]).

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Clayton and Natali Morris maintain a critical stance toward established narratives, urging listeners to question the information presented by mainstream sources. By featuring expert insights from Mike Benz and David Creighton, the hosts provide a multifaceted analysis of complex issues ranging from international politics and historical conspiracies to contemporary bioweapons concerns.

Notable Quotes:

• Clayton Morris [04:29]: “President Trump has told Egypt to accept the Gazan refugee plan, hundreds of thousands of them, or lose billions of dollars in aid.”
• David Creighton [28:16]: “Mark Carney is a man who pretends to be an outsider, pretends to really have never had interest in politics.”
• Mike Benz [60:21]: “They were building a weapon ostensibly to build a defense against the weapon.”
• Clayton Morris [17:12]: “Adolf Hitler didn’t kill himself... he fled Germany weeks before that using a group of underground tunnels that led to an airstrip.”

This episode of Redacted News serves as a crucial resource for listeners seeking unfiltered information and alternative perspectives on some of the most pressing issues of our time.

Transcript

[Clayton Morris]

Welcome in.

[Natalie Morris]

And welcome in. Thank you so much. This is the show where we talk about the stories the mainstream media largely ignores. And, boy, have we got a full plate for you today.

[Clayton Morris]

Holy smokes. We're going to talk Hitler surviving, going to Argentina after everyone thought he had committed suicide. That didn't happen. And we'll tell you what Argentinian President Javier Milie just did about that. We're going to talk about what Trump is now warning Egypt about with relationships to Rafah and the Gaza border crossing and what this will mean for hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees moving into Egypt. This was like a, I don't say like a clandestine, like note dropping into Cairo about what their intentions are. But Egypt is on notice today and they are not in a position to basically say no to President Trump because they are in an economy that is in the throes of collapsing right now.

[Natalie Morris]

Canada is banking that they will be able to hand the Liberal Party another win based solely on fear of America. Basically choose us or else you are going to become Americans. You'll be eating hamburgers and hot dogs and singing the Star Spangled Banner and they will take all your poutine. That seems to be the Liberal Party's main point. And will it hand them a win? Is that why they called such a fast election? We're going to talk to David Creighton about that.

[Clayton Morris]

Indeed we will. We're also going to talk about bioweapons, the Democratic fake crowds that you've been seeing. You know, Bernie Sanders was talking about his big crowds and all of that. Well, how many of. Why are all the same people showing up at multiple locations, multiple crowds across the United States? Mike Benz is going to be joining us on that. Plus, he just dropped a bombshell about bioweapons and Lyme disease and all of this being manufactured in the United States. So we've got a lot to talk about today.

[Natalie Morris]

Plus, the Department of Health and Human Services doing politics, not really health. We're not getting what we thought we would get out of an RFK Junior appointee because there's still fluoride in the water. They have not stopped. They've not mandated that that stop. But they're really worried about antisemitism and coursework. Columbia. That's what.

[Clayton Morris]

That's a priority.

[Natalie Morris]

That's a priority for American health. It's very confusing. We're going to show you the politics they're playing and not actually the science. And I'm extremely uncomfortable with it, Clayton.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, you should be. We're all uncomfortable with it good to see everyone. Thank you guys for subscribing. Good to see all of you guys streaming live on Rumble right now. Our friends over on YouTube on X as we stream on Twitch as well. So thank you guys for subscribing. I know we don't ask you guys to subscribe that much, but if you do, it's free. Just follow, follow us or subscribe. It's totally free. We do this show for you for free every day. So thank you for your support.

[Natalie Morris]

I will also point out that even if you are subscribed, if you hit the like button, the algorithm gives us some nice Google juice, if you will, and that helps other people find our show and we'll find other, like blinded companions.

[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

All right, let's get to the news, shall we? So, well, we've been warning about this for years now. Egypt will be forced to take Palestinian refugees even though they don't want them and even though they can't handle handle them. That's okay, though. So we're learning today that President Trump has told Egypt to accept the Gazan refugee plan, hundreds of thousands of them, or lose billions of dollars in aid. Okay, that's a tough choice, especially for an economy that's collapsing. So just so you understand, after the Camp David accords back in 1978, the US agreed to funnel billions of dollars to Egypt and Israel, by the way, if they stop the war. In other words, if you stop the war, we will pay you to stop the war. And Jimmy Carter did just that. It's remarkable.

[Natalie Morris]

I think that was a very good investment.

[Clayton Morris]

It's crazy. I don't think many people understand that that was the accord that now we funnel billions of dollars to Israel and Egypt as a result of that. That's about to end if Egypt doesn't accept hundreds of thousands of Gazans or lose billions of dollars in aid. So this weekend, a media outlet based in Qatar claimed that the White House conveyed a high stakes proposal to Egypt via the president of the the UAE now who visited Cairo. So get this. This is like, this is like Jason Bourne level stuff, right? I mean, we're like communicating a secret message via the president of the going into Cairo meeting with the Egyptians. They handed over Trump's message to Egypt, which gives Egypt two choices. Number one, accept hundreds of thousands of refugees from Gaza and receive a significant boost in US Aid money. In other words, we'll pay you billions more than we're currently paying you in Egypt to take hundreds of thousands of refugees from Gaza and. Or your other choice is turn it down and we'll give you a huge middle finger and you'll potentially see another country take in hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees and they will get billions of dollars while we will basically, I mean, who knows, he didn't say this, but like, you know, sanction you. Who, who knows what other retributions Egypt will face as a result of turning this down. Their currency, by the way, the Egyptian pound, is virtually worthless. If you talk to Egyptian locals, they'll tell you that most of the transactions are happening in US Dollars Or Russian rubles. In fact, if you go to certain towns, as I, as I have and I've talked to, I've talked to individuals who've told me that most of the transactions, there's more US Dollars in these towns than there are Egyptian pounds. There's more Russian rubles in these towns than there are Egyptian pounds being transacted here, which is remarkable when you think about it. So they almost have no choice. Go ahead, Philip. Well, I want to see if my math is adding up here, but we're offering Egypt more money to take refugees who are made refugees because we're giving Israel money and bombs to bomb Gaza. So we are literally paying for the problem and the solution. I just want to make sure that I've got that clear. Yes. And let me take it one step further. Why, like why are we doing that? Why are we going to pay billions to Egypt for them to take Palestinian refugees? A problem we didn't, you know, it doesn't involve us, but we've only involved ourselves in it. So therefore it does now involve us. Like if we didn't involve ourselves in this, we wouldn't have to pay them billions of dollars. I don't know where this blank check is coming from.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, you can unravel that even further because if we didn't support Israel, Israel would not have the weaponry to continue to bomb Palestinians. And so, you know, again, this is not a chicken or egg phenomenon. This is the United States at the inception of the problem trying to then clean it up at the end as well.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I mean, and Philip, I think made that point about the weapons and it's, it's so true here. But I mean, Egypt on the verge of collapse, they can't handle this. So you'll recall months ago here on the show we talked about this, we reported how a corrupt Egyptian businessman was being paid millions to start construction on an open air concentration camp. We covered this at the, in Rafa, just across the border from Gaza. Here are the construction cranes where this was being built. Now construction started on this massive walled open air prison on the Egyptian side of the border. This is Egyptian land. It's being built by the same guys that are about to profit handsomely off of Gaza reconstruction as well. So these same guys are going to be making money. The Egyptian construction team in Gaza, once that's done, they're going to go in there and they're going to make billions of dollars off of Gaza, but they're also making lots of money on the other side building basically an open air Concentration camp. So they're basically profiting off of both sides. That's how this works here you can see these cranes and the construction that began this has been shared by multiple news outlets. What's so fascinating about this is that this is on the Egyptian side of the border wall. What you're seeing here and what you're seeing here is Rafa. Okay. On the Egyptian side. But what's amazing about this is that after the 2005 Philadelphia Accord, Israel was given control over this area. So, yes, it's Egypt, but Israel controls it. Meaning, yes, the IDF will have surveillance and logistical control over this patch of land. Why? So who or what do you think will be living on this patch of land? Right. Palestinians, of course. And this giant open air prison will be watched by Israeli surveillance. So even though it's in Egypt. So I mean, couldn't you do the very same thing in their own homes in. I mean, that's already what they're doing anyway. But now you need to do it in Egypt or if you're going to.

[Natalie Morris]

Keep an eye on them like this, let them into Israel.

[Clayton Morris]

Right. Wouldn't that be better?

[Natalie Morris]

Innocent civilians floated that idea.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. If these are innocent like civilians and you're really trying to help these refugees, then welcome them in. Even CNN had the balls to expose this construction. Egypt is building a new walled buffer zone more than two miles wide on the Gaza border, satellite images show. And they took it a step further because the man building this is benefiting from building this prison in the so called buffer zone. It's the same guy, Ibrahim Al Arjani, who owns some of the largest construction companies in Egypt. According to the news reports, he's very close ties to Egyptian intel agencies, which is not surprising at all. And he receives his marching orders from them. According to journalist Vanessa Beeley, who's been on our show, he is the man controlling this border crossing and charging $5,000 per person just to cross it. And if you've got children, you can pay up to $2,500 per child to him just across and get out of harm's way. You can if you have money. And I'm sure, I'm sure all these people do. I'm sure they have tons of money. They have nothing. But he's charging them $5,000 just across and 20 $500 ahead if you have a child to come in.

[Natalie Morris]

Here's a relevant question. Israel is currently not allowing aid to go into Gaza and they have control of those borderlands. So if Israel controls the new refugee settlement how are we to be assured that aid can flow there?

[Clayton Morris]

Well, exactly. I don't know. Well, yeah, I'm curious. In a walled, in a walled concentration camp. Well, I'm curious, like, at what point. So if everybody in Gaza is considered like Hamas terrorists by Israel, that's why they're like freely bombing whatever, because everybody's a terrorist. At what point over the Egyptian border do they stop being terrorists and become refugees? Like, are they openly advocating that we're sending you terrorists into your country or are they advocating they're sending you refugees? And at what point do they, do they change name? That's a great.

[Natalie Morris]

You're not supposed to see them as human, Philip. So that's where there's the flaw in your life. When you actually try to see them as fellow human beings, you're going to lose.

[Clayton Morris]

Brett in our chat says Clayton laughs at 5,000, yet Trump wants 5 million. I don't know what that context is, Brett. All I'm saying is that this is a corrupt, this is basically a corrupt warlord who's making $5,000 off of human suffering people leaving and crossing the border. I don't know how Trump's getting 5 million for crossing the BO.

[Natalie Morris]

Talking about the gold visa.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, the golden visa in the United States. I see, I see what you're saying. That's a totally different, you know, that you can conflate the two if you like. That's totally different. But anyway, so these people will be.

[Natalie Morris]

We're not offering $5 million to bring people in and put them in constant surveillance and take away all their rights and make them dependent on our government. That's. Well, yeah, we are, because we all are. Well, yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

So these people will be forced out of Gaza across the border, crossing into this new open air prison built by Egypt controlled the Israeli Defense Forces. So even if they make it into Egypt, they'll still be guarded by Israel. So this is Trump's plan with Egypt. What will Egypt do? What will the Egyptians do? Will they take this and make billions more money and then just have an open air concentration camp? Or will they thumb their nose at President Trump and say, sorry, we're not doing it. And then what then what happens to these people? I don't know, but we'll be watching it.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, Trump has repeatedly said we're just going to move them out for a little bit and then move them back in. And I just wonder how you would feel about moving into this surveyed wall, wild city concentration camp and then moved right back in. How safe are you going to Feel that certainly is not sovereignty. Well, CBS looked into the claim by Tom Holman. The Trump administration's borders are that Massachusetts is, quote, releasing immigrants charged with violent crimes. And guess what? They are. CBS says that after reviewing press releases from January, WBZ found only one which Boston police had released, someone wanted by ice. But the rest of them, yeah, they're being released by the court system. So basically what they're saying is the police had these guys, charged them with horrendous crimes, knew that they were illegals and that ICE was looking for them, but then still let them back out into the community on bail, which is normal circumstances. It's a merry band of ne'er do wells. It is. I'm going to read you a list of what. So again, think about you live in Massachusetts. You know that your government collects these bad dudes, knows they're illegals, and then sends them on their way on bail. And that's a okay in the communities you live in. They found one guy charged with three counts of rape by a child, of a child and by force. And three counts of aggregate aggravated rape by a child released on bail with an order for house arrest. Another guy charged with child rape, released on bail with a GPS monitoring device. Another dude charged with indecent assault and battery in a person over 15, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, masked armed robbery and assault to rape, released on bail. Two others charged with child rape, released on bail. Just 500 those guys. And then ICE did eventually pick them up. So this is again, your tax dollars redundant, picking these dudes up, charging them, letting them go, and then your tax dollars has to go find them again, like a cat and mouse game. Two others charged with cocaine and fentanyl track traffic trafficking, again released on bail. ICE arrested them. Now, in Massachusetts, the problem is the state can't hold a person based on their immigration status. So they're being offered normal bail situations and they take it and they walk free. A new proposal would at least allow law enforcement to hold them for 36 hours to see if ice can get there in time. No, no word on whether or not that would actually work. But ICE went ahead anyway over the last five days. They say that maybe made 400 arrests between March 18th and 23rd. And they're saying that at least two of 200 of those that they apprehended had criminal records. Again. So our government catches them, knows they do bad things, and then lets them out. And then our same government has to go back. I mean, is that an efficiency? Is that safe? That's government efficiency. Yeah. And that's even though Massachusetts has sanctuary cities. ICE did go in and apprehend at least 200 of them in the last few days. So that's a fun game. It's like Hungry, Hungry Hippos. You just let them out and then see if you could catch it right back.

[Clayton Morris]

That's fun. Well, I think most people know this story and who have studied the subject know that Adolf Hitler didn't kill himself in a bunker in Berlin as the Red army closed in. I think that's. We all know that was a fabricated story. Or if you watch this show, you probably understand that Hitler actually fled Germany weeks before that using a group of underground tunnels that led to an airstrip. And that airstrip was flown. He was flown from Berlin out, took submarines or multiple submarines that were used, U boats that were then sent to Argentina. In other words, Hitler lived for nearly two decades more in Argentina, along with vast numbers of the Third Reich. Well, now Argentinian President Javier Milie has just ordered the release of all remaining documents on all of those Nazis who fled Germany and moved to Argentina after World War II. Basically, it was almost like a second base of operations in Argentina, if you're not familiar with that. Like, basically, the Third Reich operated out of Argentina and Germany. And many of them, including Adolf Hitler, lived in Argentina well after 1945. Most people know that Hitler lived out his days in Bariloche, Argentina, until he died there in the mid-1960s. Yes. You can. You can read the CIA documents about this, the FBI documents, also about sightings of Hitler in this area. They knew about it, of course. They knew about it was largely facilitated, I think it's safe to say, by the United States and its allies. Operation Paperclip. Anybody? Quid pro quo.

[Natalie Morris]

Also, if you look into this, the skull that is held in Russia, that was supposedly the remains of Adolf Hitler with a bullet wound in it is. Is female.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah.

[Natalie Morris]

So when you look for proof that Hitler did in fact kill himself in the bunker, you are going to find a lot of dead ends.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. And all you need to do, you can read a great book on this called the Gray Wolf. It's a great book. There's many books written about this now. But, yeah, the. The skull, the fragments, they ran the DNA tests on it, and the Soviets allowed them to do this testing. And even Stalin openly talked about that Hitler lived, that he was. He was not there. So Stalin even knew about it. It's widely known in Argentina, by the way, well known that Hitler sired two children while he Lived in Argentina after the war. Two girls. Wouldn't that be something to learn? Where Hitler's children are today, like Hitler's descendants? That'd be interesting. Maybe we'll learn that in those documents as well. But we'll be watching this story. I'm fascinated. It seems like there's an open era of transparency right now. You might be wondering, like, about the Epstein files. Our friend of the show, Kyle Seraphin, just a few minutes ago dropped a bombshell that he has confirmation from two agents who are actively working on the task force inside right now of the DOJ of 16 terabytes of data that they're going through right now on these Epstein files, hundreds of child victims. So there's like, all sorts of hoops and hurdles they have to jump over on all of this. But they're actively working on this like a task force that's been assigned to deep dive all of the records of Jeffrey Epstein. So what's amazing to me is that during the Biden administration, they were sitting on 16 terabytes of information and files and child victims that they did nothing about. They just sat on this information and did nothing until President Trump comes in. So I think there's, like, this era of transparency I'm hoping that we're seeing. Anyway, we'll be following this story.

[Natalie Morris]

I think the chat is like, I didn't know any of this. That's because you didn't marry Clayton Morris. And we're not subjected to copious amounts of documentaries about this.

[Clayton Morris]

That's right. In fact, we reached out to Tim Kennedy, who was on the show. There's a great History Channel show called Hunting Hitler, which looked into a lot of this. But Tim Kennedy, who was a part of that group, we've invited Tim to come on the show, so hopefully he will tomorrow. We'd love to have Tim come on to talk more about this because this is a big story. I think most people, if you like, go to Grok or if you go to Google's AI, they'll be, oh, that's been debunked. No, it hasn't. There's actually copious evidence that Hitler never was in Berlin when the Red army came and that, yes, he did live out his days in Argentina and it was all well known by the intelligence agencies. So, anyway, look at that. Pretty well. Pretty well bunked at this point.

[Natalie Morris]

Not debunked.

[Clayton Morris]

It is bumped. It's not a debunked. It's not a bunker.

[Natalie Morris]

Another point for conspiracy theorists. It's been a good year all right.

[Clayton Morris]

Hey, David Crane's gonna join us in a moment. We're gonna talk about Canada's election. Their snap election called over the weekend. Liberal members are trying, scrambling right now to hang on to power. What is gonna happen with Pierre Polyev, what will happen with Maxime Bernier, all of that, we're gonna talk about Canada's election. Plus we're going to have. Mike Benz is going to be joining us a little bit later to talk about bioweapons, the democratic fake crowds that we've been seeing at all these different rallies for like Bernie Sanders and aoc. And I want to ask him also about that signal leak yesterday. And something's really, really fishy about all of that. So he'll be here with us shortly. But first.

[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

Chatter, I said, hey, please do not stop talking about chemtrails. We need to get to the bottom of that. We're not. In fact, Nicol Shanahan is going to be joining us here on the show to talk more about chemtrails and how this government needs to put a stop to this in our air, in our air, in our skies. So we will be continuing to follow that story. All right. Let's talk about Canada. Oh, go ahead.

[Natalie Morris]

I'll do. Sure. Canada's snap election was called over the weekend and the Liberal Party leaders are banking on a win based solely on fear of American colonialism. So they're trying to sell this. You better, you know, stick with the leaders, you know, or else Trump is your daddy. David Crayton, Canadian journalist, joins us today to discuss how this came about. What is the fear mongering happening right now? David, good to see you. Do I have it right? Is it just the anti American sentiment that you think is going to give Trudeau's party the win?

[David Creighton]

Well, I've been saying for three months that the Liberals under whomever, whether Trudeau had stayed or whether it's Mark Carney, they want to run against Donald Trump. That has been their trump card, no pun intended. But that's been the strategy, demonize Donald Trump. And unfortunately, Donald Trump has played right into their hands. In fact, he endorsed Mark Carney just last week. Very, very, very disturbing. But here we have an unelected globalist who's seeking a popular mandate to implement a radical environmental program that's out of sync with our neighbor to the south, the United States and the world's most powerful nation. There's a element here, a huge element of delusion from Mark Carney to think he can pull this off somehow. This is a man, by the way, who has advocated that the Chinese yuan replace the US Dollar as the world currency. He said that at a speech in Jackson hole, Wyoming, in 20. He repeated it just last year. And by the way, if anyone has video of that speech, we'd love to have it because all we have is the notes from a speech where Carney also advocates for digital currency, a world bank controlling currencies around the world. This is a dangerous globalist who has moved to the center for this election. And of course, that's another reason he's apparently, and I say apparently, doing so well because the latest poll I saw this morning from Angus Reid has the liberals at 46% to the conservatives 38. You have to remember just in January, the liberals had 26% support. So somehow they have gone up 20 percentage points in the last three months. And apparently it's all because of Mark Carney. And I find that hard to believe because as I tell people. What do you find Appealing about Mark Carney, even if you like his policies, he has the personality of a reptile. He's a completely unengaging individual. He looks like he's never had an average day in his life. He went directly from Harvard to Oxford into the world, into the Governor of the bank of Canada. Governor of the bank of England. He's been a globalist his entire life. And it's funny, when he meets ordinary working people, they don't even want to look at him. They eschew his handshake. He literally forced 50 fishermen in Newfoundland just yesterday morning. I think it was Sunday night. So they could not enter the room where he was speaking. All they wanted to do was to speak to either him or the Fisheries minister, who was also present. Mark Carney said, no, I'm not meeting with these people. And that's indicative of how elitist and how out of touch this man is. I don't believe the polls right now. I don't believe. I think it's the Kamala Harris effect, because like Kamala Harris, you look at this man's rallies and Pierre Pollyab's got twice as many people there. And it's mystifying to anybody who thinks Canada has an ounce of common sense left to think that this man could be doing as well as he's purported to do in the polls.

[Clayton Morris]

I saw someone in the chat say that the World Economic Forum placed him there, put him in Canada. I mean, they certainly did with Justin Trudeau. So the globalists, of course, this is their guy. I believe they want him there, they want him in place in Canada. You tweeted this yesterday, which is about the growth, or a few hours ago, the growth in Canada right now? Canada has not had growth for 10 years due to over taxation, too much regulations, and is he offering anything different than what his Liberal Party has offered for the past 10 years in Canada that's driven Canada into the toilet, or.

[Natalie Morris]

Do voters think that there's something different? Those are two questions. But really to.

[David Creighton]

He's offered a 1% tax cut for middle class Ripple, whereas Poliev is offering 15%. So I don't think the 1% is going over well. He's talking now that he's not really against pipelines, even though for the last 10 years his advice to the Trudeau government. He was an insider in the Trudeau government as a chief advisor to Justin Trudeau, he wanted every pipeline stopped. He wanted fossil fuels to disappear. He wanted the Alberta, the energy industry to die. And he was advocating net zero. Now he still is advocating net zero, but he'll say, oh, you know, we can't destroy fossil fuels overnight. And I'm not really that against pipelines. But the next day, he'll reiterate the other Mark Carney, which is the Mark Carney of the Trudeau years, where he'll say, yes, we have to adhere to the net zero policies. We have to get rid of fossil fuels, and there'll be a carbon tax, but it won't be on individuals, but on corporations. And I'll actually make it into a tariff, which, of course, will drive a lot of corporations out of this country. We're looking at economic catastrophe. We're already on the precipice of a depression in this country. Many would say we are in a recession already. Mark Carney would push us into a depression. And I recently spoke to Liz Truss, former Prime Minister of Great Britain, who knew Mark Carney very well, and she said, you're inviting a economic disaster if you have this man as your prime minister. He destroyed the British economy as the governor of the bank of England to the point where it has never, ever recovered. And there are people saying today that the bank of England, of course, is on the brink of sinking into an abyss it will never come out of. So is he convincing Canadians? To some degree. But we've had an actor now for 10 years, or we had an actor as prime minister for 10 years. His name was Justin Trudeau. He was a failed actor who went into politics because nothing else really worked out for him. Mark Carney is a man who pretends to be an outsider, pretends to really have never had interest in politics. And this is a man who decided at the age of 60 he's going to be Prime Minister. But as your viewers pointed out. Has he been installed by the World Economic Forum? You bet. He has spent the last five years as a UN Goodwill ambassador for climate change. And is he here to implement a radical environmental policy? Of course he is. And he will talk for the next five weeks in a more moderate fashion. Like he's really not as left wing, really not as. As radical as he's being made out to be. Just read his books, though. He says his two greatest inspirational leaders were Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin. Now, anybody who put that.

[Natalie Morris]

Say no more. Yes.

[Clayton Morris]

That's great.

[Natalie Morris]

Wow.

[Clayton Morris]

David Creighton, great to see you. We will be watching with this snap election as it unfolds and a lot of people in the chat saying, yeah, I mean, this sin over the past few years, the slashing of productivity, trying to keep People home. And really, the amount of regulations and taxes in Canada has been absolutely devastating. David, great to see you. Thank you so much, as always. And we'll be watching this.

[David Creighton]

Well, if I can just add, Clayton before I go, I've got one of these fishermen on my show tomorrow morning to talk about their experience with Mark Carney in Newfoundland the other day. They are madder than hell. And I hope and pray we see that matter than hell attitude go right across this nation from coast to coast to coast.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, I would love to see that. I mean, imagine Donald Trump, like, not talking to a group of fishermen because he's, like, above it or something and he can't relate to the man of the people. I just couldn't picture it happening. So we'll be watching that. David, thank you so much. We'll be watching your show tomorrow. Appreciate it.

[David Creighton]

Thank you so much, Clayton and Natalie.

[Clayton Morris]

Thank you, David. All right, coming up here, Mike Benz is gonna be joining us for a deep dive. We got a lot to talk to him about. I wanna talk to him about this signal leak. We'll talk about bioweapons. He's been all over this story over the past 24 hours. A stunning story. And I wanna ask him about the Democratic fake crowds that we've been seeing. You know, something that David Craden was just talking about with these, like, weird. We're supposed to see the, like, 20 point better position for Mark Carney in the polls. But, like, where are the crowds? Like, people aren't showing up. Like, are these paid individuals who are showing up to these protests and rallies? We' talk about that.

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[Clayton Morris]

Deep dive interview with Mike Benz. Mike Benz joins us now as a former State Department official, founder and executive director of the foundation for Freedom Online. Mike, great to have you here on the show. We've been trying to get you on, I think, for, I don't know, a couple years now. And finally our schedules aligned. I know you're a busy man. Great to see you. Welcome to the show.

[Mike Benz]

Great to see you. Thanks for having me.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, I want to get your take first on this. There's a lot to cover today, but something happened this weekend in Denver, Colorado. You might have heard about this, this, quote, massive grassroots rally with AOC Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders tweeted this. The video speaks for itself. 34,000 people out in Denver, largest political rally there since 2008. The message is clear. No authoritarianism, no to oligarchy, no to Trumpism. We're ready to fight back. And so here was the rally. Here's like a, an aerial video of the rally. But according to data and according to Tony Suruja and Zero Hedge, the real number was closer to 20,000. But even beyond that, when you look at GPS and cell phone Data, a whopping 84% of those same devices showed up at 9 or more of these protester rallies, including antifa, Black Lives Matter events like pro Hamas events, demonstrations, Kamala Harris campaign stops. So it all seems really fishy to me. I know you've been looking at this data first just on this fake crowd question, are these legitimate crowds that are showing up here, here?

[Mike Benz]

I don't know. You know, there's, there's a lot of information that's traded, you know, kind of speculatively about these things because unless you have a smoking gun confession, it's hard to fully nail it down or unless you have organizational documents that leak or something like that. At the same time, we know that this is a network that is fond if of anything in this world of these astroturf pro democracy wellsprings. You know, this, this sort of emphasis on being in the streets and having a physical show of force in order to effectively preempt the, the perception that you get from polling data about what everybody else in the country thinks. If it looks like people are on the streets, then people think, oh, this is what the people want. This was the strategy of the U.S. state Department during the Arab Spring. This was the strategy of the U.S. state Department in Romania. This was the strategy of the U.S. state Department in Cuba. Basically, if 60% of the population wants one thing, if you just get 40,000 people in the streets saying the other, and they're loud and they're occupying central territory, then you can make the argument, ah, the government is repressing the will of the people, even though, you know, the people are, are voting for the opposite thing than the people are protesting about. But they're loud and they're in front of the cameras, so they saturate footage. So I don't know if that's going on here. Certainly we see Astroturfing in the form of these groups like Indivisible, which is, you know, one of these George Soros funded, Reid Hoffman funded, Rent a Riot monstrosities. They played a big role in the, in the riots and protests involved in the 2020 election cycle. It's something, I believe it was called hold the line them and move on and stand up. You know, these things are always some, some flowery way of saying get in their face in the streets. Right. You know, and, and you know, it's always attached with this kind of clenched fist sort of, you know, mentality or messaging that's intended to sort of softly terrorize people without coming out and straight up saying, saying we're going to punch you in the face. They just put the clenched fist in your face. Everything from, you know, the Black Lives Matter folks to the Oat Poor movement in Serbia, which got something like $70 million from the CIA to the canvas movement and you know, from the Arab Spring onwards, they, they love that, that kind of in the streets, in your face with a clenched fist sort of thing. And we see that now playing out, of course, with the terrorism against Tasnim.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, soft terrorism. I never heard that before, but that's good. Yeah.

[Natalie Morris]

I have a question for you. Since you focus a lot on cyber security and cyber ops and psyops, specifically through the US Government. This weekend the Epic Times reported that the Drug cartels are using the Israeli spyware Pegasus to fight the drug war inside the United States. Now, Nicole Pearl Roth, the woman who broke the Edward Snowden documents for the New York Times, she interviewed the founders of this software and they told her that every time they sell this software, the Israeli Ministry of Defense has to approve the sale, which means that Israel gets to decide who gets spied on and who isn't. Now, if Israel is supposedly the company line is our greatest ally, would they have approved software to spy on us, the Americans? And do you expect that the Trump administration would ever push back and say, hey, wait a minute that, did you approve this? Can you look into how this got is getting used in our drug war against the cartel? What is your assessment of that?

[Mike Benz]

Well, it's complicated because I doubt that the Israeli government would do that without the approval of relevant folks at the Pentagon or US Intelligence. It's unclear who would be the senior versus junior partner in that US Israeli setup. The fact is, most of US Intelligence, when we do spycraft work, it runs through cyber Systems from unit 8200 or from the Israeli tech and surveillance sphere. And you don't know if you have these sort of Colombian or Mexican narco cartels, if they are, for example, using Israeli spy tech, if they're also operating to some extent with oversight, guidance, funding, support or direction from U.S. intelligence. You know, there's a very, very dark history around the role of drugs.

[Natalie Morris]

Why. Why would we help them do that to us?

[Mike Benz]

Well, this is sort of a long story, but I don't know how much, how much detail you want me to get into on this, but the US Intelligence and military has been working with drug gangs for coming up on it on a full century. Now, this started in East Asia. You had the opium wars with the British against China when China in the 1800s refused to import British opium. That then led to the British seizure of Hong Kong, the bombing of Southeast China, the century of humiliation that lasted up until the rise of Mao. At that point, the US Government, before we even had a CIA, the US Department of War, was funding the Chinese nationalists. Shanghai Shek and the Kuomintang against Mao could not get enough money for that war from congressional allocations. And so the US military supported that war through narco trafficking. They, they took the opium that was being grown in, in the Golden Triangle, you know, Cambo, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, flew it out on, on US Military aircraft, converted it to, converted the drugs to cash for guns. We see that same operation played out in the 1970s and 80s with the mujahideen. When the CIA set up BCCI, bank of Credit and Commerce International and turned the Golden Crescent into the narco kingpin territory of Planet Earth, it was used. These heroin proceeds were used to fund the Mujahideen in another other Drugs for Cash for Guns operation laundered through these CIA banks in Pakistan and with assistance out into, into Turkey and Italy in terms of moving those, those drugs. Of course the Taliban banned the poppy production in the year 2000. We then promptly invaded Afghanistan shortly after 911 and then ended up under US military occupation. Afghanistan then went from 0% of the world's heroin to 95% of the world's heroin. When the Taliban just took back over in 2022, the US Institute of Peace, which just had its doors kicked down by federal police after they refused to allow Trump appointed board members into the building and broke their own doors so that to stop Trump officials from getting into the building, the US Institute of Peace, which gets almost $60 million a year of State Department funds, it's parked right next to the State Department. I used to walk right by it. They published a piece just a year and a half ago under the Biden administration calling on the Taliban to let the drugs flow again in Afghanistan because their attempt to shut down Papi after they took back over in Afghanistan was going to cause negative economic and humanitarian crises. But then the same thing happened in the Western Hemisphere during the time of the rise of left wing Marxist groups in Latin and South America and the Caribbean. There was a, a rising tide of left wing Marxist liberation theology. And part of the response of that from the Department of War and the Central Intelligence Agency was to essentially fund these narco networks that were used at the time as right wing death squads in El Salvador and drug mules and money launderers and paramilitaries for hire in Colombia and in Mexico and in Peru and Bolivia. And we saw the presence of these narco gangs and support for CIA backed candidates like, like Juan Guaido in Venezuela. The fact is, is these narco networks serve as paramilitary muscle for US statecraft in the Western Hemisphere. The same way they did with the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, the same way they did with the Kuomintang in China. And so when I hear the story about these narco networks using Israeli spycraft technology, I have no doubt that they do. So does U.S. intelligence. And the linkage between U.S. intelligence and the narco networks I think is something that many Americans don't want to look, stare into the sun and see how bright the glare is.

[Natalie Morris]

Right? And in fact, if I may just. There's a USAID link to this as well, because Alfred McCoy in his book talks about how the CIA used USAID to bribe these towns to sell them drugs in exchange for rice, and they wouldn't get it if they didn't produce. So is there then some kind of tit for tat like that happening in South South America right now to allow drugs to come into the United States States?

[Mike Benz]

Well, not only that, as Alfred McCoy documented and then testified about, in 1972, the USAID actually bought two CIA proprietary aircraft for the CIA mercenary army in, in Cambodia and Laos. This, they bought two CIA aircraft from Air America and Continental Air Services, which obviously are CIA proprietaries as we now know. It was not known at the time. And that's what allowed them to transport the drugs from Cambodia into Vietnam in order to sell them retail onto the market. They were actually. So USAID paid for them to buy CIA airlines. I mean, that's. But this, again, that was in 1967 when they were doing that. It was just five years after USAID was created. And USAID, of course, is all over these drug networks. USAID was caught spending hundreds of millions of dollars irrigating all of the heroin, you know, the poppy fields in Afghanistan. Usaid, it's hard to squint and look for a drug network in this world that USAID is not directly or indirectly capacity building and providing financial support to. But, you know, this, this gets that sort of ugly picture about the role of drug money in proxy wars. You see, we have a big problem, which is that Congress can only allocate so much money to on foreign assistance. I've sometimes joke that the more money you take out of usaid, the more drugs that certain rogue networks in the US military and intelligence spheres will feel the need to launder. Because the whole reason you set up this black market for buying and selling drugs is it's the same reason. Now, drugs are not unique in this way. Diamonds and precious metals. You know, basically when you're trying to fund a plausibly deniable mercenary army in some remote conflict zone, what you want is, is a cash business where you have small items worth a lot of, of cash. Because small items can be easily smuggled. They can be hidden inside of fruit, or they can be hidden inside of human orifices. They can be very hard to detect. And a truck full of it can fund an army for months. You know, a truck full of cocaine, a truck full of opium, a truck full of diamonds or precious metals is worth its weight in gold, so to speak. And so this has been going on now for a century. The issue is, is who's going to take this on, given that 30% of American prosecutors now are Soros prosecutors. And as I've long said, Soros is the long arm of the State Department, the long arm of NATO in the US Military and intelligence. It's the civil society frontman for the machinations of the Blob. And when you have these prosecutor groups who are not deliberately not going after the drug networks, you see this time and time again, they're basically letting them off in Chicago, in la, in New York, in, in Boston, in Arizona. You know, the Arizona case is especially egregious with, with what's going on there, given that Arizona is Sinaloa cartel territory. It's basically the CIA, you know, cartel par excellence. Right, right over the border. And then you have all this, all these shenanigans to stop Carrie Lake from taking the helicopter realms of the executive branch. You have all these allegations of cartel influence over the judiciary. You have, you know, basically the green lighting of, of all these activities since it comes in from Arizona and then it goes to Chicago and to the rest of the country from there. And of course, Arizona was the site of where we funded the drug cartels and gave them arms just a decade ago during Operation Fast and Furious, when there was an FBI ATF death interagency approved, meaning approved by the National Security Council, the State Department, the CIA, the dod, to run guns directly to the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico over the Arizona border so that they could fight a war with another narco cartel called the Zetas, who had been pilfering US oil from pipelines in Mexico. We couldn't go in and just bomb a sovereign country's citizens, so we pumped up our own paramilitary drug gang to fight another paramilitary drug gang. Of course, the Zatos got their origins being trained by the U.S. army in the first place, but you can see what a tangled web it is.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

I want to ask you because you talked about, while we were talking about Israel and Pegasus and the back door mechanism that they can use to take over a phone. We also I've seen reporting that Israel's Pegasus software, the NSO group's Pegasus software has been able to basically go into Signal as well, a backdoor for Signal. And of course, over the past 48 hours, if you didn't know what Signal was, you probably now do. With the scandal, the drama that's unfolded over the past few days with this leaking of a chat for Yemen war plans as the liberal media has liked to play it as war plans. So can you make sense of this when you saw this story break? What were you looking at to say yeah, this is real or this is fake. This seems like it's a psyop or this is just a big mistake here. What do you make of this Signal leak from Pete Hegseth, Mike Waltz, et cetera, to this Atlantic reporter Jeffrey Goldberg?

[Mike Benz]

Yeah, a few things. So first, on the Israeli link to being able to potentially penetrate Signal, I have no doubt about that at all. I would, it would be the same with U.S. intelligence. I, I fully believe that Signal has been a US military and intelligence front since virtually the day it was born. If you read, I think it was Yasha Levine Surveillance Valley has a whole section on the role of Signal in allowing foreign dissident groups to, to have secure communications when they're plotting to overthrow their governments with CIA support. This was something that's been championed by the U. S intelligence community. If you remember, Catherine Marr was on the board of the Signal Foundation. Catherine Marr from the Atlanta Council, Catherine Marr who was very active in the Arab Spring, Catherine Marr from the Council on Foreign Relations, Catherine Marr who had then become the head of the Wikimedia foundation, the governing board over Wikipedia and all the scandals that broke with her promoting censorship under the rubric of promoting democracy. But the fact is, is that's a, that's a spook through and through with that resume. And she's on the board of Signal. You already have this sort of smoke billowing out of it from US Intelligence, promotion of it. You know, we wouldn't promote something to CIA backed dissident groups unless we had back end access to the messages being sent by CIA backed dissident groups. That's just counterintelligence 101. Now I do believe that in order to maintain that false front that Signal is, is secure, that the FBI and Justice Department do not pierce signal messages in domestic prosecutions. Which is to say that we saw this, for example, during January 6th. Whenever they use Signal messages, it would require them to have a confidential informant government who actually went to an FBI field office and gave them their phone and then they would download it off the phone. So I think that the reason Signal looks safe here in the US if you're using it is because if the FBI shows that it can breach SIGNALS encryption, then that becomes international news. That if basic law enforcement can, then you know that the NSA and CIA can. So, you know, that everybody else around the world is. Is not able to. But I do believe that it's. It's basically cracked and has been since the day it was born, but that there's still potential reasons to. To think that that's at the CIA, NSA level rather than at the FBI and. And local law enforcement level.

[Clayton Morris]

What about then? And then the, the question, I guess, really about, well, is this a psyop? Did they actually leak this to Jeffrey Goldberg or is this like a script? I mean, it seems, you know, it smells fishy right from the beginning. But I want to hear your take.

[Mike Benz]

I mean, I can't help but laugh at it. It's hard to know what to think of it because I could see it going any direction. I could see it being a lapse. I could see it being a mole. I could see it being a prank. You know, I think I saw someone's take on it on X earlier, that this would be like Jake Sullivan and Hillary Clinton adding Tucker Carlson to, you know, a sensitive signal chat about.

[Clayton Morris]

Right.

[Mike Benz]

Plans to topple the, you know, to sidetrack the Brexit movement in the UK or something. It's just, it is. It is a pretty astounding event. But I also don't know, you know, what sort of damage actually resulted from it. There's, in the sense that my understanding is Goldberg sort of published it once the bombing actually happened. I don't know if. I just don't know. I could see it going anyway. The signal messages look. Looked fairly anodyne, like a debate. I've seen people hypothesize that, you know, things that reportedly JD Vance said in those signal chat messages were intended to convey a message to Europe and that maybe there was a hope that Jeffrey Goldberg would print that and sort of communicate the message. But, yeah, this is one of the strange mysteries of Trump world where, you know, I mean, Trump himself has had these strange situations, if folks remember the John Barron episode where he would leak information about himself to the press while pretending to be someone else and saying that he is. A tip about Donald Trump, but he's calling in with his own voice. And so, you know, I've learned at this point not to question the mysterious ways of this unless there's something that, you know, solid to chew on.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I mean, it was strange. 24 hours before a congressional hearing on intelligence with Tulsi Gabbard and, And Cash Patel and, and. And all of them sitting there like, it just seemed. Just seemed very, very strange. The timing of all of this.

[Natalie Morris]

Also, the tone of his article bothers me a lot because it's like, oops, I watched 12 civilians got bombed. I guess maybe I should have said, like, he doesn't have any contrition over whether he maybe could have possessed. Published this and saved lives. It's just like, yeah, watched it happen. Isn't that cool? Like, I'm just lurking.

[Clayton Morris]

I'm just lurking here. Yeah. Just also.

[Mike Benz]

Well, it's. It's tough on that front, I should say, because I do have sympathy for both sides of the argument in that case, Even though I'm. I'm. I would consider myself very much at odds in general with the atlantic and Jeffrey goldberg. And I think that it's just a hodgepodge of rogue intelligence ops there with ann applebaum and David from in that network. But the fact is, is we have a very unclear state of the case law when it comes to publishing these sorts of things. We saw, you know, Edward snowden, obviously, the high profile, you know, attacks on him. We. I believe john kiriakou, the former CIA agent, was prosecuted over. He made a public post about this that he had been arrested for, you know, doing, you know, for. For publishing information like this. And at the same time, if the CIA leaks it anonymously, someone at the CIA leaks things anonymously to the new york times. They can print that. And so there's a very strange situation. I. And this is something I'm. Everything I do is open source. I try to never even put myself in a situation where I might have insider information that I need to worry about whether I might get arrested for publishing. But, you know, the pentagon papers were. Were leaked and published through that method. That was something that was heralded by the media community and it was allowed by the justice department. But then, you know, decades later, you now have the most, you know, places like the columbia journalism review and these. These media ethicist boards and our justice department itself now basically say that the pentagon paper model is outdated and we should be prosecuting all this under the espionage act. So I don't envy the position of anyone who's a lurker in that group chat who sees something that they want to publish in order to save humanity, but fears that they may be prosecuted because the law is unclear in this space. I think the law is unclear in this space and that. And that's unfortunate.

[Clayton Morris]

Let's talk some bioweapons now, shall we?

[Natalie Morris]

Okay.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah.

[Natalie Morris]

So recently you talked about COVID anthrax, lyme. You put these in the same category as Things that the government might do to US Biological agents which appear to be of natural origins. And putting Lyme disease in this category really caused a ruckus on X. When people had not thought of this previously, they had accepted this as a natural phenomenon. So what can you tell us about, about Lyme disease as a biological weapon and how we can pull that thread.

[Clayton Morris]

And Montana and these labs and Covid in the United States, so all of it coming, I guess out of Montana.

[David Creighton]

Yeah.

[Mike Benz]

I've been interested in the Lyme disease story for some time. I've had family members who've had a pretty bad go of the Lyme story. And I read a few years ago a book by Chris Newby called Bitten which left a pretty lasting impression on me. In this book she documents the work of a scientist named Willi Burgdorfer who is one of the world's preeminent biomedical researchers in Lyme disease and tick borne diseases. And Burgdorfer was brought to the US to work in the 1950s at Rocky Mountain Laboratories in Montana, which was the largest warehouse of ticks for biomedical research in the world. And these researchers at Rocky Mountain Labs were collecting ticks and fleas and mosquitoes and insects from the Rocky Mountains and then super juicing them with, with various diseases, nominally for the purpose of creating a vaccine to, you know, stop, you know, to, to be able to create a cure for these diseases, so to speak, if anyone ever got them. But the fact is, is they were building a weapon ostensibly to build a defense against the weapon. But what happens if you're not, if you don't really care about the defense, about the weapon, and you just want to build the weapon? Well then building, saying you're building it to build the defense against it is the perfect cover for that. And the book lays out the military origins of, of, of all this work and the Pentagon funding and declassified documents over the years that, that showed the US military intent. And they go over a single episode that they, you know, in, during this, of, of dropping tick borne diseases into Cuba in order to cause a, a agricultural crop shortage because Cuba was under embargo and there's a naval blockade, they could not feed themselves without either importing from the United States, which they were not allowed to do. And, and so they had to grow their own crops. Well, they wanted to drive famine in order to overthrow Castro. This is the same strategy we have had for the past 10 years in Syria. Syria. Burning the wheat fields, trying to cause famine in Syria in order to cause an uprising against Assad and what you see in the JFK files that just came out is a direct confession from the senior military class of joint Pentagon and CIA approval to juice up tick borne diseases and drop them using covert transport from the Navy, dropping them onto the sugar cane workers and agricultural mill workers in Cuba in order to cause agricultural sabotage. And they even took pains to say that they would use biological agents that would appear to be of natural origin and claiming that they could blame this on local Cuban disaffectation and potential complications from natural disasters when they knew full well because they were planning it, it would be biological agents of natural origin. But they also went on to say that you know, intense pains had to be taken to make sure that any US government connection to it was quote, completely covered up. And lo and behold you see the same thing happen with COVID where you had these Darpa grants in 2018 at the Rocky Mountain Laboratory, the same place that's the star of the book Bitten to super juice up coronavirus samples that they got from the Wuhan Institute of virology in 2018, one year before COVID directly to the same lab implicated in the creation of Lyme and these other tick borne diseases that we now have a firsthand confession from the US military to use to destabilize foreign countries. And you know what's so interesting in these JFK files is they say that when they were going to drop the tick borne bacteria on Cuba, they had to get the consent of one of the generals from the Navy who would be in charge of the transport and one of the individuals from the Central Intelligence Agency who was parked out of Fort Detrick Maryland in the lab in Fort Detrick, Maryland. So this is again, this is in the 1960s, this is 1962. The Fort Detrick lab in Maryland would later be revealed to be the source of the anthrax that was sent to members of Congress who refused to sign cosign on the US wars in the Middle East. After 9 11, if you remember there were almost a dozen members of Congress who were sent anthrax in the mail and vials of anthrax. And it was part of the reason that we got.

[Clayton Morris]

Didn't like three people die? Two or three?

[Mike Benz]

Yes it was, died. It was, it was a huge scandal. Now it would break out, you know, everyone, it was blamed at the time on Osama bin Laden and you know, the, the early Al Qaeda networks. They were sending us anthrax while we were accusing them of having chemical weapons and biological weapons and weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Lo and behold, it turns out when they actually did the sample analysis on the anthrax, it was a strain that had only been created in Fort Detrick, Maryland. The exact same place that the JFK files said that they were using to super juice the tick borne diseases to drop onto Cuba. Now of course when the Fort Detrick scandal with anthrax happened, that's when Bruce Ivins was blamed for smuggling it out. Now nobody knows if that's true or false. The story seems ridiculous the moment you start looking into it, it. Bruce Ivins then later suicided himself. Epstein style is, you know, when charges were about to be brought on him and dead men tell tell no tales, but you see a direct confession to the use of false flag, false flag attacks for, you know, for biological warfare in the 1960s. You saw, you know, that this very strange situation with anthrax. You saw the same thing with COVID And it's not just the same playbook, it's the same players, the same leg. Rocky Mountain Labs in both cases, Fort Detrick in both places.

[Natalie Morris]

Yeah. In fact, I just looked at my notes as you were talking and we reported that In August of 2019 there was a respiratory disease outbreak in and around Fort Detrick before we even knew about the COVID pandemic out of Fort Detrick, Maryland. It was in July and the local news covered it and said, well, it's really strange to have a respiratory disease outbreak in July.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, one of the. We had a truck driver who, who worked at Fort Detrick told us that as well, that he also suffered from a respiratory illness going in and out of Fort Detrick. And then I think a number of service members there as well were hit with it.

[Natalie Morris]

And another data point, as you were speaking, I looked up the book Bitten by Chris Newby and Goodreads does not want me to find it. So whenever that happens, Goodreads says, oh no, you don't want this. You want some kind of fictional novel. Right. You want to read a Hillary Cotton Michelle Obama's book. Right.

[Mike Benz]

You'll be fine.

[Natalie Morris]

Exactly right. So whenever I get like that from Goodreads, I want that book. So thank you for that. I'm sure it will increase my anxiety about my.

[Mike Benz]

Well, they have a passage from there that's very similar. There's a passage in Bitten and I read this out on a stream last night, but it goes through one of the people on the Air America flight, depositing the ticks into Cuba, dropping the boxes of ticks onto the Cuban agricultural workers. And you know, the firsthand or the testimony that's reported in that book is that that person ended up getting sick. You know, just in the same way that may be the case with what you're alleging about Fort Detrick and that basically, you know, there was, you know, a Hispanic person in the ward when they, when that person's kid got in 105 degree fever and the doctors couldn't figure out what the strange, you know, set of symptoms, you know, what was causing it. And you know, that person said that they had seen that while working in Cuba and in the Caribbean. And that's when that person who had been a covert under civilian cover, had been working for the CIA, dropping these boxes, approached his CIA next in command and asked if there was any connection between what is. Had made his, you know, his infant sick and what they had dropped over Cuba and was instructed to burn everything, burn his clothes and, and that the program had been discontinued.

[Natalie Morris]

Oh my gosh.

[Clayton Morris]

My God. We'll get you out of here on this, Mike. We. You've been so gracious with your time. Is the Trump administration right now doing enough to provide transparency to the American people? Are there still like a number of blind spots that you hope will be revealed?

[Mike Benz]

I think they're fighting like hell on it. I'm, I'm, I had moderate expectations and they've blown them away. There have been a huge number of sensitive things that were disclosed in the JFK files that had been redacted even through the 2017 declassification when Trump won, declassified some of the JFK files. Files, some of those. You know, I think there was a perception that the world couldn't handle it if it was fully redacted. And I think there's been a very mature response in whole on those things. I think that it's going to be tougher with the, with the Epstein files. You know, there's still a lot of attention. They've now set the gold standard, right, with these JFK files. I mean, there was, there was no redactions on them. You know, we, we, we. I was making this comment earlier that we can actually use these to reconstruct a fair amount of American statecraft from the 20th century because so many foundations have been effectively doxxed as CIA fronts, so many points of contact, so many institutions and civil society organizations have now been unbracketed. They are now unredacted. And that in you can see why they remained redacted through 2017, because these institutions are alive and well today, whether that's the AFL CIO or Whether that is the World Confederation for Organization, organizations of the teaching profession, which is now Education International, or whether these are relations with foreign intelligence services, whether that's Israel or Australia or Mexico City or any of the others that have just been declassified. You can see how every one of these might not want that information public. But the Trump administration said, damn the torpedoes, here's our dirty underwear. And I respect that intensely. The question is, is it's one thing to do that about an event that happened 63 years ago. So it's another thing to have that happen with something 63 months ago with the Epstein network. Right. I mean, this is a 2019 event. This is not 1962. The people involved in the Epstein story are alive and well. There's. And when you talk about those sensitivities, you could, I would have to imagine that the forces within the national security community, the same ones who. Wait, waved off Alex Acosta, Epstein's prosecutor, because he was told to back off because Epstein belonged to Intelligence. I have to imagine that the pressure to not do the same thing with Epstein that was done with JFK is immense. And there's probably a knife fight in the toll booth of the National Security Council right now about how much to disclose. I think that what Trump wants and what he will get yet, we don't know how they'll square that circle yet.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, and I was just talking with Tucker Carlson on his show the other day about the USS Liberty. I mean, they're, they're veterans who are begging Pete Hegseth for transparency just to hold an investigation, an open door investigation. I mean, and so victims of the 9 11. Victims of 9 11. The families want answers. So there's a lot of stuff that you're right is fresh. We don't have to go back to, you know, 63 years ago. And we'll see what the Trump administration will do on some of those, some of those bigger, bigger issues. But I'm, I'm excited certainly on some of these big files. I am curious though, on the UFO piece of the JFK files, like, when are we going to see pieces of that, if there are any, you know, UFO related information on the JFK files. What do you think about that?

[Natalie Morris]

And Marco Rubio was a big proponent of that. That was one of his main talking points. And he's a senior administration official.

[Mike Benz]

Yeah, well, I, yeah, I've seen too many documents on the UFO, UFO story from the 1950s and 60s that almost presuppose a CIA role in using UFO stories to mislead people that, you know, I mean, there's the famous case. I think it was 1954 in Guatemala when there was. There was a coup. I think there was a State Department cable to the CIA station that warned that the. That. That warned that the local government had caught on to. To a CIA coup in Guatemala and that the. The CIA station was instructed effectively to use its propaganda. Wisners, Wurlitzer Media Network to drum up stories, I believe they said, about flying saucers and mothers with octuplets in order to distract. I believe it was the Guatemalan population away from coverage by the government's radio of the disclosure of the blown CIA activity. And when you see CIA instructions to print stories about UFOs in order to bury eyeballs from their own malfeasance, and then you see, you know, if you've seen the movie Mirage Men.

[Clayton Morris]

Mirage Men, Yeah.

[Mike Benz]

You know, and just the, you know, the. The lengths to which the UFO story is blown up in order to. Yeah, useful. In order for. To do counter. To do operational security, to do counterintelligence to, you know, I mean, in that. In that story, they get, you know, a guy who's living right next to an Air Force base in, I believe it was New Mexico or Nevada, who is. Is a technician and a competent technological researcher who's living next to the Air Force base and sees these highly classified aircraft and begins investigating and talking about it. And so the Air Force base runs a psyop on him, convinces him, you know, his life becomes a Truman show as every new person he meets is working for the nsa, the CIA, or Air Force Counterintelligence. And then they convince him that what he's seen are, you know, unidentified flying objects, and it must be aliens. They break into his house while he's not home, and. And they rig his computer to emit strange messages. And you see that and you go, okay, all right. I. You know, this is. There's. There's clearly a lot more going on here than just allocations of intelligent life. There's. Yeah, there's clearly intelligence operations here rather than intelligent life.

[Clayton Morris]

Sure. Yeah, absolutely. And then they get to paint you as a conspiracy nut and a, you know, and a wacko. And then they can. They can. They can distract you over here with that story while they're pulling off something over here.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, Mike Benz, we've long wanted to speak with you. We're so grateful for your time. You can find Mike Benz at Mike Benz Cyber on X. Also, he runs the foundation for Freedom Online. You can find [e-mail] do you object to being called a wonk? I think that's maybe one of my favorite, one of my the best ways.

[Mike Benz]

To take the wonk.

[Natalie Morris]

Because every time. Time. Okay. Every time that you follow him on X, you're going to learn something and learn how deep the roots go of.

[Clayton Morris]

I would love to see. I would love to see it. Like a local library. Like story time for the kids with Mike Benz. Can you imagine?

[Mike Benz]

That's right. Children's books. We'll do children's books online to see how that.

[Natalie Morris]

And then they brought the ticks in. Children.

[Clayton Morris]

Yes. Kids, get ready. Have your mind blown, Mommy? I don't know if I want to go back to that children's hour again with Mike Benz. Mike, great to see you. Thank you so much for being here. Appreciate your wonkiness on all of these topics. And we need people like you who are shining a light on this. Thanks, Mike.

[Mike Benz]

Thanks.

[Clayton Morris]

So amazing. Thanks, Mike.

[Natalie Morris]

Well, we let that segment go long because we were just so fascinated by the subject matter. We were going to talk about corruption at the health and human service services industry at the which RFK Jr is at the helm of. Just questions we have about what exactly are you doing over there? Why are you doing politics and not health? But because we wanted to talk to Mike Benz and we've been wanting to for so long. We're gonna hold that story for tomorrow. So you're gonna have to come back. I apologize, but you're gonna. Before we let you go, though, we wanna remind you that Redacted is brought to you by home title lock. Now, this is something if you're a homeowner owner.

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[Natalie Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

Thank you guys for subscribing to the show. We appreciate it. It's totally free to subscribe and we'll be back here tomorrow at 4:00pm Eastern Time. Have a great night everyone.