Redacted News Podcast Summary

Episode Title: CIA Furious & Emergency White House Meeting – Israeli Spy Caught Meeting With Amb Huckabee
Hosts: Clayton Morris, Natali Morris
Date: November 21, 2025

Overview

This episode of Redacted News dives into two major themes:

1. Explosive revelations around former Governor-turned-Ambassador Mike Huckabee’s clandestine meeting with convicted Israeli spy Jonathan Pollard, provoking crisis and outrage in Washington, including within the CIA.
2. The ongoing violations of the Gaza ceasefire (and broader U.S.-Israel relations) and an analysis of international affairs, including the Ukraine-Russia conflict and the emerging Arctic “war.”

The tone is passionate, skeptical, and combative—emphasizing independent journalism and challenging official narratives.

Segment 1: The Huckabee-Pollard Meeting Scandal

With CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou
Timestamps: 01:33–19:35

Key Points and Insights

• Bombshell Meeting:

  • The New York Times reports Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee secretly met Jonathan Pollard, the notorious U.S. spy for Israel.
  • The meeting was off-the-books, omitted from official schedules, triggering outrage in the CIA and sparking an emergency White House meeting.
  • CIA “furious”; at least three embassy whistleblowers leaked details due to high-level concerns.

• Background on Jonathan Pollard:

  • Navy analyst, convicted in 1985 for passing tens of thousands of top-secret documents to Israel.
  • Documents were so voluminous, “they could fit in a 6x10 room” (03:00).
  • Israel allegedly traded U.S. secrets with the Soviet Union in exchange for releasing Russian Jews (05:37).
  • Pollard served 30 years in prison. After parole, Trump-era DOJ lifted travel restrictions as a "favor to Netanyahu," after which Pollard was received as a hero in Israel.

• The Policy and Security Breach:

  • All ambassador meetings with controversial figures require Secretary of State and White House clearance—a protocol violated by Huckabee (07:33).
  • “Ambassador Huckabee should resign or should be fired for doing this.” – John Kiriakou (06:43)
  • CIA station chief in Jerusalem was “apoplectic”; whistleblowers forced the issue public (08:15).

• Political & Legal Implications:

  • “I don’t see any daylight at all between what he did and what the Rosenbergs did. They were executed for their treason.” – Clayton Morris (09:28)
  • John Kiriakou: “To me, that [Pollard’s behavior] is a clear and present danger to the United States…” (10:38)
  • Huckabee’s action is described as “unforgivable” and “endangering American foreign policy” (12:42).

• Dual Loyalty/Damage to Jewish Americans:

  • Natali raises the “dual loyalty” charge’s dangers for Jewish Americans, referencing Norman Finkelstein’s The Holocaust Industry (13:28–15:41).
  • Kiriakou: “That’s why so many Orthodox Jews … reject Israel as a state … That’s where Ambassador Huckabee plays a role again. He is of that extreme evangelical belief…” (14:41)

• Political Reaction:

  • “I haven’t seen [pro-Israel media personalities] denouncing this … Twitter was busy today, but no, not from Mark Levin, etc.” – John Kiriakou (12:11)
  • Huckabee is portrayed as “an extreme evangelical Christian Zionist whose personal faith trumps his job as a diplomat” (12:42).

• Security Protocol:

  • Did Pollard risk arrest by entering the embassy? “I would have arrested him. … The Deputy Chief of Mission approved this visit and met him without telling the CIA or State Dept.” (16:49)
  • The hosts and Kiriakou repeatedly call for Huckabee’s resignation or firing (18:07).

Notable Quotes

• “For our ambassador … to meet with Jonathan Pollard off the books … and not get the permission of the White House or Secretary of State … is unforgivable.” – John Kiriakou (06:27)
• “He [Pollard] still says that he is openly loyal to the land of Israel and the people of Israel and he embraces an Israel first doctrine.” – Natali Morris (02:40)
• “You have to ask Ambassador Huckabee, what possible good for American foreign policy did you think this was going to accomplish?” – John Kiriakou (17:32)
• “Resign now, Ambassador Huckabee, or be fired.” – Clayton Morris (18:07)

Segment 2: Ceasefire Violations & U.S.-Israel Arms Deals

With Scott Horton, antiwar.com
Timestamps: 21:01–35:30

Key Points and Insights

• Ceasefire Update:

  • Israel reportedly violated the ceasefire in Gaza; 300 Palestinians killed since “ceasefire” began (22:04).
  • Israel admits to bombings but claims to have aimed at their own soldiers; hosts dismiss this justification as propaganda.

• U.S. Military Aid to Israel:

  • Horton criticizes the U.S. for supporting the Israeli military on 20-year appropriations, violating constitutional limits (25:41).
  • “In our Constitution, Congress is explicitly forbidden from appropriating money to the military for any period of more than two years… and yet [does it] for Israel.” – Scott Horton (25:41)

• Ongoing Gaza Reality:

  • “No one who thinks the ceasefire deal will hold. … Israelis … better to ask forgiveness than permission.” – Scott Horton (22:17)
  • Horton warns that Israel may “go for broke” and try to force Palestinians from the West Bank while they have U.S. support.

Notable Quotes

• “All we have here really going for us is Donald Trump’s ego, that he promised he solved this and [if] it falls apart … he’s going to do what it takes to prevent it.” – Scott Horton (22:17)
• “If a country needs America to support its military, then it’s not a viable country … If we just backed off … they’d have to act more like a normal country.” – Scott Horton (26:15)

Segment 3: Ukraine-Russia Peace Deal Prospects

Key Points

• Horton assesses the viability of a Russia-Ukraine peace deal. He is skeptical, noting that both sides have conflicting incentives to continue fighting.
• Main stumbling blocks: Russia insists on permanent Ukrainian neutrality and NATO withdrawal promises, but neither side is where it wants to be (30:48–32:47).
• Hosts note the irony of ongoing U.S. spending and the lack of tangible gains.

Memorable Quote

• “The only question is, can we get them to call a timeout when neither side is where they want to be?” – Scott Horton (30:48)

Segment 4: Arctic “Trade War” and Geopolitical Tensions

Timestamps: 41:00–49:00

Key Points and Insights

• Clayton presents a deep dive into the strategic race for control of Arctic trade routes and resources among the U.S., Russia, and China, drawing on older show investigations.
• Russia is said to lead in infrastructure (icebreakers, trade routes); the U.S. is playing catch-up through a new pact with Canada and Finland.
• “If they officially add the Arctic area to the Russian territory, they’ll have access to 16% of the world’s untapped oil, 30% of undiscovered gas…” – Clayton Morris (45:00)
• Segment loaded with historical context, referencing the “Belt and Road” (China) and “Arctic Road” (Russia) strategies.

Segment 5: NASA, UFOs, and “Faked” Space Footage

With researcher Justin Robert
Timestamps: 51:42–67:53

Key Points and Insights

• Recent ISS live feed cut after an unknown object passes by; guest Justin Robert claims NASA often fakes space footage using Hollywood techniques like green screens and harnesses.
• Robert alleges NASA’s secrecy is linked to hiding knowledge about Antarctica, possible “outer lands,” or hidden resources, not just space exploration.
• Open skepticism toward NASA’s official explanations (e.g., the 3i Atlas object, Earth photos): “If they’re really up there, why are they using Hollywood techniques to fake the footage?” – Justin Robert (53:15)
• The guest floats that the “final card” is a fake alien invasion to justify increased government control.

Notable Quotes

• “It looks like there’s more evidence that [aliens] come from outer or under than up above us.” – Justin Robert (58:09)
• “Why are we up there faking this and doing the charade? That is the big million dollar question.” – Justin Robert (57:43)

Other Memorable/Audience Moments

• The hosts and audience make light of pop culture references (“It’s over, Anakin, I’ve got the high ground”) (43:00, 51:13).
• The show’s chatroom is lively, fact-checking quotes and chiming in on conspiracy theories, personal health, and plastics in the environment.

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Ambassador Huckabee should resign or should be fired for doing this.” – John Kiriakou (06:43)
• “To me, that [Pollard’s actions] is a clear and present danger to the United States.” – John Kiriakou (10:38)
• “You have to ask Ambassador Huckabee, what possible good for American foreign policy did you think this was going to accomplish?” – John Kiriakou (17:32)
• “If a country needs America to support its military, then it’s not a viable country.” – Scott Horton (26:15)
• “[NASA] is more like a big worldwide intelligence agency keeping the biggest secrets from the world about our true history.” – Justin Robert (59:24)

Key Timestamps

• 01:33 – White House emergency meeting news
• 04:58 – John Kiriakou’s reaction
• 06:43 – Kiriakou: “Unforgivable” breach, calls for Huckabee’s resignation
• 10:38 – “Clear and present danger” from Pollard
• 12:42 – Huckabee’s ideological bias as danger
• 18:07 – “Fire or resign” chorus
• 22:04 – Gaza ceasefire violations and political realities
• 25:41 – U.S. military aid to Israel debate
• 30:48 – Ukraine-Russia peace deal prospects
• 43:00 – The new “war in the Arctic”
• 53:15 – NASA accused of “faking” footage
• 59:24 – NASA as a global intelligence agency

Conclusion

This packed episode is a must-listen (or read) for those skeptical of government and mainstream narratives. It features in-depth coverage of diplomatic scandals, hard-hitting foreign policy analysis, and critical explorations of official stories—from Middle East intrigue to space (and beyond). Both guests and hosts urge transparency, accountability, and public vigilance—calling out hypocrisy and secrecy wherever they see it.