CONFIRMED! "They stole their homes" The Great Maui Fire Land Grab Nearly 3 Years Later | Redacted

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CONFIRMED! "They Stole Their Homes" The Great Maui Fire Land Grab Nearly 3 Years Later

Date: February 24, 2026
Hosts: Clayton Morris, Natali Morris
Guest: Michelle Melendez (Author, “Great Maui Land Grab”)

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Episode Overview

The episode examines the aftermath of the 2023 Maui wildfires, focusing on the slow, contentious, and suspicious rebuilding efforts in Lahaina, the alleged “land grab” targeting local families, the use of emergency proclamations, and the proliferation of alternative theories explaining the fires’ origin—including directed energy weapons (DEW) and weather modification. Michelle Melendez, author and investigator, shares eyewitness reports, scientific anomalies, and policy analysis suggesting a coordinated effort to displace residents and prevent them from returning home. The hosts and guest discuss official narratives and inconsistencies, scrutinize government response, and urge active civic vigilance.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The State of Lahaina, 2.5 Years Later

[05:09] Host Clayton

• Lahaina remains largely unrecovered: of the 2,200+ structures destroyed, only 131 permits have resulted in finished, inhabitable buildings.
• “Why is rebuilding still moving like it's stuck in wet cement?”
• Comparison to Boulder, CO’s Marshall Fire: 84% of destroyed homes there had permits and most have been rebuilt, illustrating Lahaina’s lag is abnormal.
• Shoreline properties especially restricted—expedited rebuilding explicitly excludes them.

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2. The “Land Grab” Theory

[05:09][17:16][32:22]

• Immediately after the fire, locals got unsolicited purchase offers (including for beach frontage).
• Governor enacted an emergency ban on unsolicited land offers, suggesting officials saw real predatory intent.
• Actual land sales so far have been low (only ~two dozen), but many expect more as residents lose hope or pass away: “They’re just waiting it out.” — Michelle [67:00]
• “The first words out of the governor’s mouth after the fire [...] were, now I’m going to take your land.” — Michelle [32:22]

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3. Anomalies in the Government & Emergency Response

• Timeline confusion: Official report claims fire began at 6:34am, contained, then rekindled at 2:52pm.
• Emergency sirens weren’t sounded; the official’s reason, that people would “run into the fire,” was deemed disingenuous by hosts & guest.
• The Maui fire chief was off-island and unaware of the fire until called by Rep. Ellie Cochran.
• Roadblocks prevented evacuation—locals ignored blockades to escape.
  • “There were no telephone poles down. [...] People just weren’t going around the police [roadblocks] when they should have been, and that would have saved them.” — Michelle [21:04]
• Water to fight the fire was delayed, allegedly because of conflict over water for a taro farmer.
• Death toll is suspected to be underreported, possibly due to mishandling of human remains and flawed protocols.

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4. Fire and Forensic Oddities

[25:33]

• “How in the world does a home turn to white ash? No refrigerator, no stove, no toilet?” — Michelle
• Cars’ engine blocks and aluminum wheels melted; glass melted at 2400°F (wildfires usually 1200°F); yet palm trees and organic matter often unscathed.
• Photos show trees “burned from the inside out,” consistent with DEW/microwave effects, not normal fire.
• Blue items (tickets, t-shirts, umbrellas) found unburnt amid ash—allegedly blue pigment doesn’t absorb certain laser frequencies.
  • “There’s a patent for a laser microwave transmission using [...] a titanium sapphire crystal for the laser. What color is sapphire? It’s blue. Things that are blue didn’t burn.” — Michelle [41:08]

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5. Directed Energy Weapons and Weather Modification Claims

• Guest and others spotlight “chemistry” of the fire (not recognizing organic material), blue items surviving, trees burning internally.
• References to U.S. government DEW programs, patents dating back to the 1960s.
• Weather manipulation: Sightings of “linear clouds,” strange weather coinciding with the fire.
• The Weather Modification Act of 1976 (document provided) and patents for weather control going back to 1891.
  • “The first weather modification patent was in 1891.” — Michelle [43:58]
• HARP (High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program) installations near Maui may have influenced weather.

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6. Emergency Proclamations & “Smart City” Agenda

[31:49][32:22][36:31]

• July 2023: Gov. Josh Green declares a “state of emergency” over housing, suspending 22 laws (over 90 proclamations since).
• New rules expedite some rebuilding but restrict shoreline property returns.
• Theorized this was pretext for converting Maui into a 15-minute “smart city,” in line with UN Agenda 2030.
  • “Maui was set to be the first smart city—Smart Island—in 2015.” — Michelle [32:22]
• Efforts to move local governance away from elected officials to appointed boards.

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7. Death Toll, Missing Children & Mistreatment of Victims

[47:39][51:19]

• Mishandling of human remains: recruits, not experienced personnel, gathered remains, often combining multiple remains per bag.
• Official death count (102) deemed implausible.
• Massive drop in school re-enrollment (pre-fire: 3,001; post-fire: only 538 in same school)—education records for 2,025 children unaccounted for. State says families may have left, but school records never requested by new schools at the time.
  • “Either entire families died together, or there was not that many children enrolled to begin with—possibly fraud on the Hawaii Education Department.” — Michelle [53:50]

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8. Health Hazards & Environmental Contamination

[58:50]

• Discussion of aluminum nanoparticles in trees, suggesting weather manipulation/chemtrail link.
• Reports of toluene (main use: dynamite) in local water; officials deflect cause to “markers or glue”.

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9. Gruesome Forensic Findings in Animals and People

[61:12][62:11]

• Photos and stories of animals and even people not burning like in conventional fires: intact mummified or charred bodies in unnatural positions.
• “This was an attack on the people. Absolutely.” — Michelle [61:12]

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10. Ongoing Displacement and FEMA Camps

• Many survivors still in “temporary” FEMA housing, with deaths occurring in these camps. Rebuilding pace remains at a crawl.
• “If these people are gone, the state gets the land.” — Michelle [66:21]
• Businesses cannot reopen, leaving locals displaced and land idle.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Why does Lahaina still look like a wound that never closed?” — Clayton [05:09]
• “After the fire, [Gov. Green] says, I’m looking for ways for the state to acquire the land for workforce housing. So right after his constituents just lost everything [...] he comes then on and says, now I’m going to take your land.” — Michelle [32:22]
• “I have a friend who survived the fire… She had to tell her daughter, go around the police blockade. She was one of the last people to get out in this one area. […] There was no telephone poles down.” — Michelle [21:04]
• “The best warning system was not turned on… The director who beat out 40 other applicants, with zero experience, said he worried people would run into the fire—beyond ridiculous.” — Michelle [22:17]
• “The chemistry of the fire doesn’t recognize the organic material… a microwave frequency heats water inside, but doesn’t burn the exterior.” — Michelle quoting arborist [25:33]
• “Blue things didn’t burn. There’s a patent for a laser… titanium sapphire. What color is sapphire? Blue.” — Michelle [41:08]
• “They are waiting it out. These people have a hundred year game plan... No businesses have been allowed to rebuild. It’s a waiting game, and they are in it for the long haul.” — Michelle [67:00]
• “If we let this happen there, it could happen everywhere.” — Natalie [68:16]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [05:09] – Lahaina’s slow rebuilding & statistics
• [17:16] – Land “grab” reality and government measures
• [18:11] – Michelle Melendez joins, her investigation background
• [21:04] – Eyewitness and survivor reports: roadblocks, emergency failures
• [25:33] – Unnatural fire forensics: melted cars, blue objects, tree burns
• [31:49] – Governor’s emergency housing order & law suspensions
• [36:31] – Smart city agenda, general plans, and technocracy
• [41:08] – Directed energy weapon patent and blue repulsion theory
• [43:58] – Weather modification, haarp, and cloud anomalies
• [47:39] – Maui police chief’s background, mishandling remains
• [51:19] – School enrollment, missing children data anomaly
• [61:09] – Animal and human burn oddities
• [66:43] – FEMA camp deaths and land retention strategy
• [67:00] – The “100-year plan” and lack of immediate land sales

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Actionable Takeaways & Final Thoughts

• Stay vigilant on local policies: “What happened in Maui could happen anywhere if authorities go unchecked.”
• Review local general plans and pending legislative bills for clues about land and governance shifts.
• Use transparency tools (including AI) to identify bills that may infringe on rights or push smart city/technocratic agendas.
• “Keep asking questions. Look at what’s happening in your own area. That is where your power is.” — Michelle [67:57]

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For more, visit: GreatMauiLandGrabBook.com or the Redacted newsletter at redacted.inc

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The episode closes with a reminder that the story is ongoing and unresolved and that civic engagement and skepticism are crucial in protecting communities from corporate and governmental overreach.

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Well, it was one of the worst disasters in modern US history and then it just disappeared from the headlines. Fully red. Talking about Maui Lahaina. 102 lives lost. More than 2,200 structures destroyed. Damage estimates in the billions, forever changing that island. And now we're two and a half years later. And this is the question we're asking today. What the hell happened to Maui? I mean this is part of the United States and it's just been completely wiped from the headlines. Why is rebuilding still moving like it's stuck in wet cement or many families not allowed to rebuild at all? Was land seized in a massive land grab? Were directed energy weapons used to displace thousands of people? Was weather manipulation a part of this story to create a perfect storm? Why does it feel like the people who lost everything are being pushed out permanently from this area? So let's start with something simple. What do we actually know about how this fire started? Well, in October 2024, Maui Fire and the ATF released an origin and cause finding one fire, two phases they said. The report says the morning fire started around 6:34am near Lahaina Luna Road when power lines broke were re energized sending sparks into unmaintained vegetation. It was believed contained by the morning and then in the afternoon embers rekindled during a severe wind event around 2:52pm that fire was classified as accidental. Now you put on the table all of that and then we'll come back to it in a little bit later because we're going to come back to that with a special guest in a few minutes. Someone who lives there has written extensively a whole book on the subject. So just table that part of the story for a minute and then ask this question. If we know how it started and we've had years to fix it, fix what went wrong, why does Lahaina still look like A wound that never closed. Why are families still living in this, like temporary housing in horrible conditions? It's a good question. Well, here are the latest numbers from the county's own rebuild dashboard. As of February 19, 2026, Lahaina shows 557 buildings permit issued, 532 residential, 25 non residential. Another 337 are still being processed. And 131 permits are marked as completed, meaning final inspection passed and structure is ready now to be inhabited. They Also show roughly 300 homes quote under construction. That's progress. Yes, but step back and look at the scale. The disaster wiped out more than 2,000 structures. And the lived reality for the Latta families there is still I'm not home and mentally moved out, never to return again or were killed. And here's the part that makes people, people's blood boil with this story is the land was cleared. The debris numbers show that 100% of residential lots have been cleared. 1390 out of 1390 completed by September 11, 2024. I mean, that's always the big hang up, right? Is the amount of debris. We heard that in California, get that debris out of there, then we can rebuild. So 148 out of 148 on the commercial side completed by February of 26, 2025 last year. So this isn't. We can't even start. In many cases, the lots are scraped and just sitting there, ready and waiting. But sorry, you're not allowed to. So let me just give you a comparison here, because if you look at the Marshall fire in Colorado, in Boulder at the end of 2021, as of December 1st of 2025 just a few months ago, Boulder county reports that 84% of those destroyed homes have permits issued. 74% already have certificates of occupancy granted to move in, like almost completely rebuilt. And Louisville, massive fire destroyed massive parts of that town. Almost 100%. Look at that devastation now rebuilt. So why does one American disaster recovery look like a machine and the other looks like a total maze? This is where things split into two Lahainas. One path is regular rebuilding. The other path is shoreline rebuilding. And that's where the gears have ground to a halt. Maui's own shoreline permitting guidance spells it out. The state created an expedited process that can waive special management area reviews for certain rebuilds, but it explicitly excludes shoreline parcels. So if your family had a shoreline home, sorry, you're out of luck. You're in a different permitting world because those are really valuable, right? And if you're a small family with a modest home near the water, the kind of home that's been in the family for generations, as many of these homes were, sorry, you're out of luck. And it's not just homes. As of February 20, just three days ago, Maui county numbers cited Hawaii's public by Hawaii's public radio say that only 9 non residential buildings have been completed in Lahaina. 9. And only 25 non residential permits have even been approved. Hundreds still waiting if they'll ever get approved. Probably not. So where are these families now? A lot of them still displaced. The Associated Press reports that last month. These are last month's numbers that FEMA extended temporary housing assistance for Maui wildfire survivors until February of 2027. Nearly 1,000 households. Now let's talk about the land grab piece of this. Right after the fire, people of course were getting unsolicited offers. Got so bad that the governor used emergency powers to prohibit unsolicited offers to acquire property in specific Maui zip codes with criminal penalties. Now this was all like this is a conspiracy theory. No one's trying to buy their land, right? Really? Okay. So much so that the governor had to step in. Wink, wink. Reuters reported survivors describing being hit with proposals to sell, including for beachfront plots. So no, it wasn't like nothing to see here. The state itself treated it like it was a real threat. But what do the actual numbers look like today? Civil Beat reported in February of 2025 a year ago that only about two dozen burned down properties had been sold since the fire. Many of those appear to be transactions among family, friends or neighbors. Earlier though, Silver Beat also reported that a dozen vacant land sales in and around Lahaina were recorded in the first four months of 2024. Some of these sales going to mainland buyers in areas outside the burn zone. So not families who, what multimillionaires were swooping in to buy these things again? We'll come back to that in just a few minutes. The other piece of the story is the directed energy weapons piece of this story. Many locals pointed to strangers, burn patterns, laser lights in the sky before the fires started, bizarre wind behavior and more in Dade Wigginton on the show from one of the like leading authorities on weather manipulation in the United States and said absolutely the weather was anomalous and manipulated. Those are his words. The Hawaii Attorney General Lahaina fire analysis basically says nothing to see here. It was the result of a complex interaction factors, weather impacts, decades old infrastructure, preparedness gaps, incident management, coordination failures years in the making, they said. So today we're going to pull the curtain back on what's actually happening with rebuilding with shoreline rules, with land pressure, with the money, the government cover ups, the weather manipulation, the directed energy weapons, the massive land grab. Author and Maui researcher Michelle Melendez will join us in just a few moments here after a quick break. And she has some incredible photos and other materials to share. In fact, some news that's not been reported anywhere she's about to share with our audience. And it's actually pretty shocking, especially for the families involved in all of this. So we're going to talk to Michelle in just a few moments here. And by the way, get in your questions now. 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[Host Clayton]

land in Maui after the wildfires? How much of that land was sold off to investors on the mainland? What about the directed energy weapons used to cause the fires or start the fires? What is the official line from the government and why we should all just like look the other way? Why are so many households still not rebuilt and living in temporary housing? And how many people have now died as a result of this entire process? Michelle Melendez is the author of Great Maui Land Grab. What Caused the Maui Fire and Is yous Home? Next. And there are dozens upon dozens of oddities and is an award finalist for this book. Thank you, Michelle, for joining us here on Redacted. Great to have you here and earlier morning out there in Maui, but thank you for joining us. Really appreciate it. Oh, you are muted.

[Michelle Melendez]

There we go. Yeah, Mahalo for having me and so much mahalo for keeping this story alive. Because it is people like you that will allow the truth to be told. And what's actually happened after the fire is horrendous. And most people don't even real know what's actually been going on over there. So I actually live on the big island of Hawaii. Maui is a sister island to us. It's about 60 miles away. And when that happened I started looking deeper and interviewing firefighters. I interviewed a 50 year arborist and also went over there and talked to the people and also talked to Hawaii State Representative Ellie Cochran, who grew up in Lahaina, was born, raised and also survived the fire. And she's the one that actually contacted the Maui Fire chief and asked him the day of the fire, when the fire was happening, she called the Maui fire chief who was off island and asked him, should I evacuate? And he said why? He said why? She said, there's a fire in Lahaina. So the Maui fire chief was not even told of the fire that was happening. He called her a couple minutes later and said yes, evacuate. So that's how, thank God she survived the fire.

[Host Natalie]

Maybe you can run us through some of the main inconsistencies of the government story and how you know, what time of day it started, who knew and when and what finger pointing. Can you just give us a CliffsNotes to bring us up so that we can start to pull apart the holes that we have?

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah, so the first fire started at like 6am in the morning and supposedly it was put out all the way, which I think it was. I think it really was put out all the way. And then the rekindling started at like 3pm and then 6pm at night. The fire going, it's fully blown, going, Lahaina's burning down. The Maui mayor goes on live television and tells people that it's fine. Lahaina's. The fire's being, it's under control when everything was chaos. And so he actually goes on live television and says that Lahaina is fine. When Lahaina is absolutely burning down. That was at 6pm The I can go into the wind. I mean, I don't know where you guys want to start, but there's a lot to share.

[Host Clayton]

Yeah, I mean I want to unpack everything. So that's why you're on today because I don't want to leave any stone unturned with this story. And so many people have written us, I mean, over the months, over the past years, like what about Maui. What about it? Why has everyone forgotten about this story? And I said, we haven't. And that's why we wanted to have you on. So I don't want to leave any stone unturned. So to Natalie's point, 6:35, 6:30 in the morning, their official story is it was electrical wires. Maybe we can just start there and then kind of unpack the day.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah, they said that. And. But here's the thing. Even the roadblocks where the police chief. The police chief had blocked everybody in, and he said he had blocked everybody in because there were telephone poles down. There's actually videos and pictures that the telephone poles were standing straight up. And one of my friends who survived the fire, she got out and she actually had to tell her daughter, go around the policeman, go around the police blockade. She was one of the last people to get out in this one area. And I said, I said, were there any telephone poles down? She said, no. She said there was no telephone poles down. And she said that people just weren't going around the police, the police blockades when, when they should have been, and that would have saved them.

[Host Natalie]

Well, we also know that Maui Emergency Management Agency did not sound alarms. And so when people were trying to figure out if they should evacuate or not, a lot of them were too late and literally walked into the ocean to save themselves from fires. And then that. Where was the Coast Guard? There was no one taking people out of. So can we talk about the emergency response that wasn't.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yes, we have the best warning system that is tested every single Sunday. First Sunday of the month is tested. We hear it every single month. And this, this amazing warning system was not turned on. The, the reason that the, the, the director of the Maui Emergency Management center, who beat out 40 other applicants, he had zero emergency management experience. And he said the reason he didn't turn on the warning was because he was worried people would run into the fire. Because that is beyond ridiculous. That is his actual statement on, on the news. His official statement was he did not turn on the emergency warning system because he was worried people would run into the fire because the warning system is supposed to be for tsunamis, but actually on their own website it says for emergencies that it's for emerg. That's how it's supposed to be for. It even says wildfires on the website.

[Host Clayton]

Does he think people are stupid? I mean, if I see a fire, we're not just gonna run into the fire. I mean, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

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[Michelle Melendez]

He was never reprimanded. Nobody was fired. Nobody had any accountability for what happened. The emergency management sign in sheet and I saw you guys actually did a video on this was there was so many people that their names were blacked out. There were people that signed in but didn't sign back out again. The police chief decided, oh, I'm not going to go to the emergency management center. I'm going to create my own emergency management center here at the police station. He didn't want to leave or I don't know what his deal was. He sent his assistant to go to the emergency management center when he was supposed to be the one that was there. So, so many things. The, the water was shut off because of one taro farmer. There was one taro is like potato. One farmer that had the water going toward his farm and the water was turned off. They said that they needed his permission to get the water reverted back to Lahaina. And by the time they had that permission, it was too late, that the town was gone. And yes, people were going into the water. And there have been locals. They will not, they will not come on to and say this officially, but I do have a friend from Molokai. So it goes Maui, Molokai, and then Lanai is right in front of Lahaina. Right in front of Lahaina is Lanai. So if anything goes in Lahaina in the water, it usually hits Lanai before it goes out to the ocean. And he told me that there were bodies that were washing up on Lanai and that people were. Yeah, that there were bodies that were washing up. He would not say that officially on record on the video with me, but he did tell me privately.

[Host Clayton]

Now, talk about the electricity. So power lines. That's what we heard, right? The power lines. That's what sparked this initial blaze at 6:34 in the morning. Are there any inconsistencies with that? And I guess maybe this is where we get the question of directed energy weapons at that level.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah, absolutely. So they did show a telephone pole that had been burned and damaged. But the thing with this fire that you have to understand is palm trees stayed up, palm fronds stayed fine, stayed fully intact, trees didn't burn. In fact, if you want to go to, there's a video or a picture that I have of a vehicle and the engine block is melted out. We've seen these vehicles all over the place. And yes, that's the one. This was taken from. Maui Community investigates. And look at that. This is impossible. How in the world does a home turn to white ash? No refrigerator, no stove, no toilet. The glass is melted out. Glass melts about 2400°. A regular wildfire burns about 1200°. Does not melt out an engine block, does not melt the aluminum off of wheels like that. And yet the palm trees are still standing up. That's absolutely impossible. And so I asked the 50 year arborist, Robert Bram. He. I actually did a video with him and was one of the first videos I did on, on the fire. And I said, how do trees not burn? I said this is a fire. It's a, it's heat. How does it not burn a tree? And he said, he said, michelle, the chemistry of the fire doesn't recognize the organic material, the chemistry, it was a different chemistry. A chemical fire. And how, how do, how do microwaves, how do microwave frequencies cook your food? They cook the water, they heat up the water inside your chicken breast. But the chicken breast doesn't burn up, doesn't, doesn't turn into ash, but it does heat up the water. This is why he said trees that didn't burn should have and the trees that should have burned didn't. He said the, the trees with the most water should not have burned, but they were the ones that did burn because the water was burning. This is why you have pictures of trees burning from the inside out. I mean, and this is also still happening. Look at Israel. Israel with all the trees that were burning from the inside from there. If you. There's pictures of the trees burning that I sent you guys. One from Sonoma County. This was the Tubs fire. This is from the Tubs fire in California 2017. And this is burning from the inside out. The only way. This is Maui. This was a thumbnail on our cron cr channel 3 news for months and now it's gone. That's another reason I wrote the book. Great Maui land grab was because I knew if I didn't document these and take them off the Internet, these pictures would be gone. And they're absolutely, they're absolutely gone. So great. Mauilandgrab book.com is that website. There's also a picture from the LA fire that has. What is this? Like, what in the world? There's a, like, I don't even have any words right now because all of a sudden there's just. The fire just goes right in the middle of the tree. Somebody from LA sent me this, sent me this picture and that's when I was like, I have to do this. The book I have is the 4th edition, because it includes 21 LA fire oddities. Because that's the exact same attack. Those are. We have been attacked. The American people have been attacked. And they're not talking about it because we don't really know who is really pushing the button, but we. They have this technology. There was a Direct Energy Weapons acquisition act of 2016. You guys, I sent you the picture of that. This was the. The Defense Department had spent since the 60s. Since the 1960s, the Defense Department has spent over $6 billion on the direct Energy Weapons act, the direct energy weapons program. And then in 2016, this was a bill passed through Congress, and Congress took over the direct energy weapons program. And people's tax dollars have helped, funded, and brought the direct energy weapons program to fruition. And there are thousands of patents for direct energy weapons product or program or machinery that actually does direct energy weapons. And when I first started looking this up about direct energy weapons, there was actually a lot of individual patents for directed energies. But this definitely has the. The symptom that this is not normal. This. You don't have a house. Like, I live in the Big Island. We had a fire in one of our buildings in a small town that I live near. And the building didn't turn to white ash. It was a second floor. And it was black soot. It was black soot. The glass was still there. It was a regular fire. You do not have a fire where houses turn to white ash. And I'd love to show the Tubs picture and then the paradise picture that I sent you guys, the tubbs picture in 2017. This is exactly the same thing. It was an attack on the people. The houses are white ash. And this is paradise. That's Tubs. Look at the trees. The. Okay, you see the pine trees? Look at. They're not burned. These should be black sticks. That's what should be left. And the houses should be black soot. There should be refrigerators left. But all the houses are white ash. That's impossible. Yet the forest is still there. That's why they call it a wildfire now, because it's not a forest fire. The forest doesn't burn. And then the next picture was Paradise. And this is a mobile home park that burned. Where did the fire come in from? Like, where's the line that shows the fire burned all these trees and then burned these homes? There's no line. The palm trees, the pine trees are still completely up. My mom lives 20 minutes from paradise. So I actually went to the Paradise Fire 2018, that Christmas and saw this for myself, and I was blown away. I was like, how do you have homes turn into white ash? It's like people forgot how a fire burns. And this is not normal. This is an attack on the people, on Americans.

[Host Natalie]

You know, one thing that stood out to me is that just a few weeks before the fire In July of 2023, Governor Josh Green declared a state of emergency over Hawaii's housing crisis, which gave him extraordinary powers over housing permits. And now we see how few have been actually issued. So he already had that, and I was supposed to be temporary, but we see the, the delay in permitting here makes us wonder what has been their intention with this land all along.

[Host Clayton]

Great question.

[Michelle Melendez]

That is absolutely correct. He suspended 22 laws prior to the fire. And he said it was a housing emergency. And I remember that whole news report because one of his advisors was like, there's children, you know, they're dying. Nobody was dying. The homeless. I mean, if you're going to be homeless, you should be in Hawaii because it's warm. You know, they do. You actually do really well if you're homeless. So the thing with the first words out of the governor's mouth after the fire, the first report, he says, I'm looking for ways for the state to acquire the land for workforce housing. So right after his constituents just lost everything, their ohana, their family died, he comes then on and says, now I'm going to take your land. And there was a big stink about that that he actually needed to back up from, from that statement because a lot of locals were. They really rose up for that. But here's the thing with this emergency proclamation that the governor, this was his first one, the first one, he has now signed 90, over 90 emergency proclamations. Hawaii, the state of Hawaii is in a state of emergency. And it's because the governor has, he has signed over 90 emergency proclamations based on administrative issues, zero legislation. He has suspended over 30 laws. This is in the whole state. He keeps, he keeps just deciding he's going to have a project and, oh, so I'm going to do this emergency because this is the project I now want to run, and these are the laws that are in my way. So this is what I'm going to suspend. He suspended a bidding law. There was a house, there was a hotel in Hilo, and it needs to be definitely taken down. He suspended a bidding law and gave the contract to one contractor and didn't allow other people to bid on it. It's. There was, there's, there's so much corruption here in the state. And this is why I also started standtogether hawaii.com because we are taking action. We, we do, we can take action. You guys, a lot of people have contacted me and said what can we do? And I, and I tell them you have to look at what's coming down your pipeline through the bills and your general plan. Because what happened to Maui? It happened. Maui was set to be the first smart city Smart island in 2015. That happened in 2015. LA, same thing. Smart City, North Carolina, Asheville, Smart City, all of it. And but what's happening with these smart cities is also coming through people's general plans. You have to look at your general plan. We are fighting our, we have been fighting our general plan here on Big island for over a year because they want, the things they want to do are completely lined up with the UN Agenda 2030 to take away land. They wanted to change important ag land into natural land, which that leaves a lot of rules that people will have to jump through. Maybe their organic farming isn't natural, you know, so it literally turns, creates more rules and regulations for locals. So you gotta be looking at your general plan. And thank God for Big Island. Right now we have a county council member who's changed the whole entire plan. She's actually redesigned it because of our, we keep going to these meetings and keep telling them that it's not, it's not okay to do this. So what's happening in Maui or what happened in Maui is coming for all of us and it's coming through our general plans. And you've got to be diligent on looking at what's, what's in your general plan.

[Host Natalie]

Well, can I just ask you, I want to follow up on that and then we'll take some super chats because I think the general consensus, what people at the time were surmising is that this land grab may be for the intention of creating an AI driven smart city. Do we see evidence that that is in fact what the government wants to do? Do you think that that's why all these. Can you, can you expand on that?

[Michelle Melendez]

Yes, it's through the bills, it's through the legislative bills. And that's, and that's why I'm telling people you've got to look at your bills that are coming through in your area. And one of the easiest ways to do that is you can actually go use chat GPT this way and go what are what bills in my through that are going through my legislature are that violate the constitution. And when I was on Ann Vander still. She actually did this live and she found a whole. She found a whole list of them. So you can use chat GPT in that way to. To see what bills are coming through what parts of your general plan are violating the Constitution, violating the amendments they have been putting through the. Some bills through Maui that do line up with smart cities and smart 15 minute cities. They actually had a whole. A whole corridor. A whole corridor where they. This is so crazy. They took the entire west coast of Maui not Lahaina's, this little dot on Maui. They. But they decided they were going to take an entire west coast of Maui out of the Maui governing board and give it to a 9. 9 board that was appointed by the governor and turn. Turn this whole west coast of Maui outside. Have it. Have it be completely governed by a completely different governance. And it's. We people like really stood up against that so that. That didn't go through. But that's the thing we're talking about. It's. And this is the. The third book I wrote the Death of Freedom. This is what it talks about. It's. And you talked about it too Clayton, when you talked with Derek and it was about Technocracy. This is exactly what it is. It's basically getting moving governance, the government structure out of politicians and people voting into boards that are not elected officials. And this is exactly what's happening in Maui and other places also the electric company.

[Host Clayton]

So we talk about the technocracy, the technate and having this total control. Their goal of course is total control. And even when you look at the electric company here, I mean we know BlackRock ownership in the Hawaiian Electric Industries in Hawaiian Electric Company. So that's always convenient. You have BlackRock which stands to benefit massively from this technate, from this technocracy. A part owner of course in the electric company that. Well, there were all sorts of anomalies that day with the electric company.

[Michelle Melendez]

And that's why they don't care if the electric company gets. You know, is this the victim here is the cause because the amount of money that they would have to spend, you know for that for, for them being blamed for the fire has. Is nothing compared to what they're going to be getting in the future because they do own the electric companies here in Hawaii and other places.

[Host Clayton]

Maybe you could talk. I want to take a few super chats here. Let's see. Denise, the. The Celt says a map of the Maui fire showed the spontaneous. Spontaneous fires erupted in an almost perfect circle. That doesn't happen in nature. Governor Josh Green is a Jew, by the way. Practice for the Argentinian fires, perhaps? Denise is asking, of course, we saw the specific fires in Argentina. Anything you want to say about that? With the circles, the pattern?

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah, absolutely. I saw that too. I asked a firefighter about it. He said that. He said he couldn't really technically say if that was normal or not because it could be around like a track or something like that. But there's no track. There's no track in Maui. And yeah, that was. That's just not normal the way that the fire. They blamed the wind. They blamed the wind on Hurricane Dora. Hurricane Dora was 500 miles away. It would have hit my island before it hit Maui. There was a Mark Fanan of Channel C Cronse, Channel 3 News. He was the chief meteorologist and he actually said on live television the day of the fire, he said that he did not think Hurricane Dora was. Had anything to do with the fire. Then he retires six months later afterwards. And that was interesting. But. But a lot of things. The, the fire, you guys went against the wind. It went against the wind. That's impossible. It jumped over a construction site. There was a construction site with exposed two by fours and different, different material made of wood, completely intact. No singe marks, nothing. And then it, what it did was it jumped over and it melted the cars in the parking lot next to the construction, construction site. All the trees still standing. So that's. It was things like that. It was just anomalies like that back and forth. There was a church that had some type of. It was like. And I want to say laser because I think that's what it was. It was a hole in the roof. It was just a one hole in the roof of this church. That was it. And there was nothing else around it that was burned. Nothing else around it that was burned. So a lot of things like that. Huge anomalies with the blue things. I know that the blue things of this paper ticket that was found in the ash. And this is thanks to Eric west of Hawaii Real estate or. Yeah, that's the one he had. That's Eric's hand. He literally pulled this right out of the ash. White ash falling off of this paper ticket when he pulled it out. And this is a blue ticket. Then we have the T shirts he found. He found six T shirts completely intact. No holes, no singe marks in the white ash. Then the blue umbrellas. This is right next to all of like, okay, maybe one of these umbrellas would, would make it through. But all of them, all of them made it through. Then the, the stove, I want to show you guys. This is a friend of mine, stove. And she survived the fire. She's the one that went around the police officer. And look at the glass is melted out. That's glass melted out. And the racks are warped. And the beautiful bright royal blue color. How in the world does that just stay intact? And the reason is, and I have, I think there's a video or a picture of the patent. There's a patent for a laser microwave transmission using a laser generated plasma beam waveguide that uses a titanium sapphire crystal for the laser. What color is sapphire? It's blue. So the things that this is, this is the. The scientists that I have researched have found that anything blue doesn't absorb the frequency of the laser. It repels it. That's why blue things didn't burn. There's been people, you know, painting their homes blue. And yeah, it's, it's a, It's a lot.

[Host Clayton]

Dr. Denise, M.D. says thank you, Michelle. I was on Maui with my son that day. There were multiple fires, no warnings. Number one, weather manipulation. Please comment. And then we have been talking about that. Number two, land grab. Number three, children missing. And is it related to the Palisades fire? Anything there you want to unpack for, Dr. Denise?

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah, absolutely. Mahalo. So much for that. The weather. I actually have sent you guys the Weather Modification act of 1976. This was an act that was put through Congress that was for exactly that weather modification. There it is right there. And so this is an act that was put through Congress October 13, 1976, you guys. And then the first weather modification patent, I sent you guys that to 1891. The first weather modification patent was in 1891. This is a patent to produce rain. This is. This was for. In my belief, it was for Operation Popeye. But the biggest thing I want to share here, 1891, over 100 years ago, the very first weather modification patent. People don't realize that this has been happening for a very, very long time. Operation.

[Host Clayton]

Oh, I should point out Operation Popeye. When they first rolled that out, like it was a kind of a disaster, like it was. Did not go so well. But do you think that they gave up when they've realized they could actually create snow? I mean, no. They literally took it and ran with it then.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah, absolutely. They did use that over Vietnam. And the soldiers actually called it Operation Mud because there was a lot of mud there. But. And then I'll show you the Pictures. The first Pict picture of the linear clouds. So the day before the fire, there were these linear clouds that went to the Hawaiian Islands. This is a satellite picture thanks to Bruce Douglas of Maui Community Investigates. Went to the Hawaii Islands but didn't go past them. Do you guys see any clouds passing the islands? None. There's linear clouds going to the islands, not passing them, just stopping right at the islands. A friend of mine who works for national security was actually happened to be flying over Maui this day and she, she saw square cloud blue sky, square cloud, blue sky, sky for miles, for miles long. And there is a harp dome. There is a harp dome on Maui. There's also one, I'm sorry, not on Maui, on Oahu. And then there's one on Big island that's north of us that Maui sits right in between those two harp domes and harp high intensity frequency. The whole thing is escaping me right now. But it literally heats up the ionosphere and then they turn it off and then they heat it up the ionosphere and they turn it off. And this was actually make. Can make these linear clouds to, to train, to change the weather.

[Host Clayton]

And I should just say we've spoken to whistleblowers who've worked at the HARP arrays not only in Alaska, but also in Antarctica and have confirmed exactly that and how, how devastating and nefarious these HARP arrays can be. And you know, these are just some of the more famous ones, but they're all over the place. These aren't just, you know. Yeah, yeah.

[Host Natalie]

Oh, go ahead and respond to that. And then I want to.

[Michelle Melendez]

Oh, I was going to say there's, there's a north harp dome north, and there's also one south. We have the Big Island. Could fit all the islands in this one island. So there's, there's, they're both there. There's one on the north side of the Big island and there's one all the way south at South Point, that's furthest south of the United States that you can get. So it's, it's. And you're right, they're everywhere.

[Host Natalie]

Now. There are times when I'm like, man, this is all so crazy. It could have just been something. It could have, right? And then there are pieces of it, such as that Governor Proclamation and these blue items that I'm like, no, it can't be. One of the things that sticks out to me that just tells me there's gotta be something there is the Maui police chief at the time, John Pelletier. Is that how you say his name.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yep, that's correct.

[Host Natalie]

The fact that he was the police chief in 2017 Vegas, during the Las Vegas shooting, and that story is full of holes. Makes no sense to anyone who studies it. And then he Moses on over to this event, and again, we have a story that's full of holes. So what questions can we draw from that?

[Michelle Melendez]

So there's. So, you guys, they had to change a law in order to get him to be the. Be able to be the police chief. There was a law where you had to be a resident of Maui for a year, and they changed that six months prior to hiring him. So you could just had to be a Maui resident for 30 days, and then you could be the police chief. So many holes with this man. He was actually taken to the police commissioner because he. For harassment. There were eight different people that had submitted complaints against him to the Maui police commissioner. And all of them got dismissed. All of them got dismissed saying that there wasn't enough evidence, even though there was like video and audio of this man being literally saying he would fillet filet anybody who didn't do what he said, basically. But his words were filet. That was actually out of his mouth then, you guys, this is something that not a lot of people know. There was mishandling of human remains after the Maui fire. After the Maui fire, they allowed recruits to pick up human remains. And they were putting human remains into the same bag. So you're supposed to have a GPS where the. Where you found a human remain, and it goes into one bag. And it's supposed to be tracked. And the gps, it wasn't even tracked till two or three times after it moved. And some people aren't sure if they have the right relative. And I really hate to say this. This breaks my heart. They're not sure if they have the incomplete relative. And this one of the. This man who worked for the Maui Police department for over 12 years, who was the main guy who would go in to pick up human remains. He was not asked to do this. This job he's done from the Maui police department for 12 years. Instead, they, again, they had the recruits. He actually complained to the police commissioner against the Maui Police chief for doing this. He actually had sent the Maui Police Department the entire protocol for picking up human remains and how you're supposed to do it. And he said, he was so kind, like there was a whole news report on this. And he said, oh, he just thinks it wasn't. It was misunderstood. And I'm like, it wasn't misunderstood. So he takes the police chief to the police commissioner. One of the police commissioner attacks him, verbally attacks this man and says, you have a complaint. You don't like the police chief and that's why you're doing this. Why are you doing this? You are not respecting our healing from this tragedy. He's literally attacked by one of the police commissioners for taking the police chief and complaining about the fact of mishandling of human remains after the Maui fire. And this is another reason why the death toll is absolutely ridiculous. There's just no way 102 people died from that fire.

[Host Clayton]

I want to talk. So many people have been asking about the children. This is a story at the very beginning that I think maybe was not correct or at least the number of children missing, they were found later. So maybe you can unpack this piece of the story for us. And I know we have some images that you've sent as well on the children. Piece of this.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah. So you can bring that up. This is the enrollment from the Lahainaluna school complex. Before the fire there was 3,001 children that were enrolled in the Lahainaluna school complex. And then after the fire 538 re enrolled into that school. And then 438 did private school or another another school, 2025 children did not re enroll. So we have asked the, the Hawaii Education Department about this. Paul Preston, who is actually, he's the mayor for the new California State. New California State, he is actually used to be a school superintendent. And he contacted the Hawaii Education Department three weeks after the fire and asked if any school had requested the academic records for those 2025 children three weeks after the fire. Which means if they went to another school, the school would have to get these records. And the Hawaii Education Department said no, that no school had requested any records for any of the 2025 children. So I have heard of the buses. I didn't want to put anything in my book that I absolutely 100% couldn't verify. So here's the thing. We have talked to a lot of locals and they're saying no, that no children were. All the children have been found. So it's one of two things. Either entire families died together, which we do know happened. Ellie Cochran, the state representative said that a family of 10 people died just blocks from her house. The entire 10 person family, all of them passed away in this fire. So either all family members died because again, why are, why aren't parents or grandparents or aunties and uncles screaming out about this, this or There was not that many children enrolled to begin with. So possibly fraud on the Hawaii Education Department. Possible.

[Host Clayton]

Interesting.

[Michelle Melendez]

Possibly that. Because I'm, I'm going. I had the same question too. Where's the 20, 25 children? Yeah, yeah. You know, why is it that you have it? I mean, what is that? 2005 children that all their families just decide to leave the island and, but still they would, the school, any school they go to would have to contact the Hawaii Education Department and grab the school records for that child.

[Host Clayton]

Interesting.

[Michelle Melendez]

So, wow, that's a possibility.

[Host Clayton]

I want to talk about the land grab piece of this, the families that were killed, the numbers that we have. Maybe we could do that in a second here. And any sort of questions we have coming in here. Maria Torres talks about la. I've literally seen the lasers come into Los Angeles and Redding, California fires with my own eyes. You talk about the laser piece of this story. A lot of people describe weird anomalies in the water, like purple lasers and things like that.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah, the water was on fire in maui. We had 90 boats burn on the harbor. In the harbor, 13 boats survive. I think that was an interesting number. But yeah, and these boats and people are like, oh, the embers, they burned the boat. And I'm just going, regular fire is not going to burn a boat on water. But we actually had. The water was on fire in certain areas of the harbor. And then again, that goes back to the water and the trees. The water was on fire. And that's why, you know, it's not a regular fire. And it possibly is. I know that Bruce from Maui Community Investigates thinks it's a different type of frequency of direct energy weapons. I personally do think it was a laser. A friend of mine who lives on Maui said that she knows somebody who knows that there were drones that were being fueled up on Haleakala, which is the mountain there. And so you have to understand these lasers don't have to come from space. They can come from a boat, they can come from drones. There's actually, in my book, there's actually a drone called Morpheus. And this is a microwave frequency laser drone that can fly around and, and houses technology. So it can come from a lot of different places. We, we do not understand the technology that they have right now. And this is also why, you know, when the governor, the governor, Governor Green goes to the United Nations. This is what fired me up. This is what fired me up. He went to the United Nations. Why does a governor go to the United Nations? He's not a leader of a country. And the first words out of his mouth was, oh, this is because of climate change. So we can actually talk about that because I said that this is, it's not climate change, you guys. They're saying the world is heating up and it's actually the exact opposite that's happening. So I can share more about that, but I didn't want to move too far off the question.

[Host Natalie]

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[Philip]

Well, yeah, I mean, the, the aluminum. What we're. The, the main point about the aluminum was that at fairly low or like, like high ph, it doesn't have to be very acidic in the soil for it to be taken up into the environment, into trees, into plants and things like that. And it is toxic. So that was the problem with the aluminum.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah. They also found taluene in the water, in the drinking water. And they were telling people on the news in Lahaina. They were telling people, oh, you know, toluene is from markers and from glue. But actually, number one use of toluene is in dynamite. That's how you create tnt.

[Philip]

And it was found in the drinks. Trinitrotaluene.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah. So they had to truck in water for the local.

[Host Clayton]

Geez.

[Host Natalie]

And that's in children's markers.

[Michelle Melendez]

That's what they said. That's what, that's what the news was saying. They were saying anything except for tnt. They weren't saying tnt, of course, is used for TNT mostly.

[Host Clayton]

So they're like, oh, it's in Sharpies. That's what you have nothing to see here, nothing to worry about. Remnant was asking earlier in our chat room. He said, can, can Michelle talk about like the palm trees retaining more water than other trees? When you spoke to those arborists about it, the idea that, well, they're just filled with water, therefore they wouldn't have caught on fire?

[Michelle Melendez]

No, actually it's exactly the opposite. They were the ones that were catching on fire. And it was like. We showed you the pictures of the trees burning from the inside out. Those are the trees that had the water in them. They weren't supposed to be the ones that were on fire, but they were. That's that, that's the point. It's, it's these trees that should not be burning that we're burning. And in fact, in, in my book, and that one right in the, right in the middle, I don't even understand. I don't even understand this. This is, it's just absolutely unbelievable. And the reason the organic material, if you guys want to, we can go into some of the, the pictures of, of the bodies that didn't burn correctly. And I just want to warn people. There is one that's very disturbing. It's heart wrenching when you think these are people. This could have been me, this could have been Used could have been your auntie or uncle. Or this is just this. This was an attack on the people. Absolutely. And I really feel that the bravest of the brave are here. Came to earth at this time because I don't think this world is what we think it is. But if you want to go in, we can talk about the toad. My friend.

[Host Clayton]

Yeah. Let's look at some of these animals here.

[Michelle Melendez]

My friend, he went to Lahaina to volunteer and he found this toad. Brought it back to the big island. I actually held it. And this toad. This is impossible. A toad would be gone. It would be ash. But yet I held this toad. And all of the innards. All the organs are gone. Except. Except you can touch it. This is like impossible. That. Not a regular fire. Okay. The cat is the most crazy. There was a first responder. Totally does not want to be named. Completely anonymous. That took a picture of this cat. First responders had to sign a non disclosure. Why? What in the world would. Why would they have to sign a non disclosure? But you see all the. The liquid we. I believe that was the innards. This cat is still standing up. It's charred. It's dead. This is a dead cat. You guys balancing. And all these books. All these pictures are in my book because they're absolutely not found anymore. Especially this one. And then you have. What do you have next? I think it's the person with the braids. If you want to watch. Show that one. There was a person that's. This is the most disturbing one. Absolutely. This person ran out. This was a man ran out of his home. And look at the half. His body is charred. That. That brown. That black stuff is charred. And his hand is frozen. His hand is frozen. That's not how bodies burn. Bodies burn. The only thing left in a body that burns is ash or bone or teeth. Teeth. That's it. It doesn't show. A hand is floating off of the ground. It doesn't show the. The. I can't even words. If you want to do the next one with the braids, because that is. They're showing.

[Host Clayton]

Put it in preview, Philip, so I can see if we have that one. I just.

[Philip]

I don't have. I don't have that one. Sorry.

[Host Clayton]

We don't have that one.

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[Philip]

That one.

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[Host Clayton]

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[Michelle Melendez]

So the. The design of the hair. The design of the hair. And that's. That's impossible. Again. The.

[Host Clayton]

Yeah. Doesn't hair burn?

[Michelle Melendez]

And the dog. Or that. You want to show the. The Texas one. The one in the panhandle. Which is the, which is the bull. This. Okay. When I was researching this, there was a whole field of cows that look like this. How do you have an ear? This is, this whole thing is charred. This is the, the ear would be gone, the nose would be gone. The fur, you can see the outline of the fur on its face. That would be gone. The skin would be again gone. It would have ash and bone and that's it. But this is, this was some type of direct energy weapons attack because. And here's the thing, direct energy weapons system. The frequency, the chemistry. I'm sorry, the chemistry doesn't recognize the organic material. It doesn't recognize. This is why the trees, the bark doesn't burn, it's organic. The people don't burn the same way because they're organic. Now this didn't happen with everybody but the people out. It seemed to happen with the people out outside, the people inside. Like, oh, there was a boy. There was a boy that was holding his dog. So sad. He was found on his bed. His body was completely recognizable. And his mother said she believed God left him that way so she would recognize him. That's not how bodies burn. It doesn't leave you recognizing the person. It doesn't, it doesn't make sense. And then. Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Host Clayton]

Sorry. No, I was going to ask you if we could talk about like the families and you know, the number, the official numbers of those that were told that were killed, displaced and really the land grab piece of this story which we haven't really touched on yet, which is all tied to these people who have not been able to come back to their house because they've been killed.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah, that's right. And being killed at the, the places where they, the fire victims went were these FEMA camps, these houses that looked like. You actually have two of them. There's one that looks like bird houses and then there's one that looks like a fishbowl. And these homes that the fire victims are in, some of them are dying. People are dying. There was a 16 year old boy that was found in his, in his bed dead. And there was another person that was found in their home. This, I hate to say this, they were decomposing and the only reason they found it was because somebody was walking by with their dog and their dog was trying to pull it, pull them to the house. And then the person saw, this is just so disgusting, saw flies. And then they reported it and they went in and found the body. And this was in the fire survivors camp. Then there was Another man that died of a heart attack. The two, the body that was discovered decomposing and the man died of a heart attack. No media coverage. There was no media coverage for those two. Plus there was a fire that started on the lanai, the lanai of one of the homes. And the fire report literally didn't say the cause. And the Hawaii representative, Ellie Cochran, asked the fire chief, you told the fire chief, you cannot not give a cause for a fire that just happened in the fire victim's camp. They need to know what caused that fire. So there's a lot of things that are happening and in my opinion, that is part of the land grab because if these people are gone, the state gets the land.

[Host Clayton]

Right, right, right. I mean, that's a big piece of this. I mean, and I was gonna ask you sort of a definitive question is who is buying this land? We mentioned mainlanders. Do you have any, you know, with the, with the minute or so that we've got left here? Michelle, what do you think? Like who, who's been trying to buy this land up?

[Michelle Melendez]

You know, it's, it's, it's actually being, it's just staying. They're, they're waiting, they are waiting it out. These people have a hundred year game plan, you guys. They're, they're, they're looking for the long, the long haul. The state is not grabbing it right now. They're just waiting it out. That was a year, a year after the fire and they're waiting it out for people to leave. No businesses have been allowed to rebuild. I mean, it's a waiting game and they're in it for the long haul.

[Host Clayton]

Michelle, unbelievable work on this. If people want to read the book, I highly encourage everyone to grab it. It's called the Great Maui Land Grab. I could have spent another hour with you. And you know, please keep us in the loop as this story progresses. Obviously as we emerge, we're getting close to the three year anniversary on everything. So just thank you for your incredible work on this and just kind of final thoughts from you.

[Michelle Melendez]

I just want to say thank you for keeping the story alive and everybody who's asking questions, keep asking questions and again, look at what's happening in your own general area. That is where your power is. My book is at Great Maui Land grab book. Great mauilandgrabbook.com or on Amazon and mahalo for your support. Yes.

[Host Natalie]

You make the case that if, you know, if we let this happen there, it could happen every, everywhere. So that's yet another reason to pay Attention. So thank you so much. It was great to see you.

[Host Clayton]

Thank you, Michelle. All right. Wow. Lots of great questions and comments here. What do you think?

[Host Natalie]

I think it's, it's full of questions. I still, I don't feel like my questions are answered. I just have more.

[Host Clayton]

Yeah, now I have more.

[Philip]

I was just thinking about, like thinking about the corpses when they were showing that and I was like, you know what does do that is mummification, desiccation. Like the removal of water will leave a preserved corpse like that. And that's what microwaves target.

[Host Clayton]

Right. I mean, what did you think about her discussion about the type of fire based on the arborist and like what, you know, what you're seeing with these?

[Philip]

That's. Yeah, I found that to be really interesting. I don't, I don't like, I'm not a botanist or an arborist, so I don't know, like the moisture content of the trees, but, but it is, it is interesting. I do know that palm trees keep all of the moisture up at the top, like where, you know, up at the top, up at the fronds. And it's just interesting that they didn't burn, but the more water heavy trees did.

[Host Clayton]

Yeah. Lawrence Allen says aluminum is also an oxidizer. Yeah, that's right. Another one. Super chat here.

[Michelle Melendez]

Yeah.

[Host Clayton]

So thank you for your super chats. Thank you guys and thanks to Michelle for incredible work. We really appreciate you joining us here. Thank you guys. We should tell you everyone that we have a daily newsletter if you go to redacted.inc and you can sign up for free and it'll be delivered to your inbox first thing in the morning. Natalie writes it every night. How do you put it together?

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