Did Ukraine Just Declare War On Hungary? Zelensky Demands More Cash From Nato | Redacted

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Redacted News – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Did Ukraine Just Declare War On Hungary? Zelensky Demands More Cash From NATO
Hosts: Clayton Morris & Natali Morris
Date: August 26, 2025
Featured Guests: Colonel Douglas MacGregor, Jim Ferguson, Lionel (Lionel Nation)

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Brief Overview

This episode of Redacted takes a deep dive into escalating global tensions and domestic crises, with a primary focus on Ukraine’s recent actions toward Hungary, Zelensky’s funding demands from NATO, the state of the UK economy amid mass protests, controversies over flag burning and new executive orders, and the FBI raid on John Bolton. The hosts aim to cut through mainstream media narratives and examine the legal, political, and financial consequences of these current events, offering sharp critique, skepticism, and pointed questions throughout.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Ukraine–Hungary Tensions and NATO Implications

• Alleged Ukrainian drone attacks on Hungarian pipelines have prompted concerns of war escalation within Europe. Hungarian officials claim these repeated strikes cannot be considered accidental.

• Zelensky’s demands on NATO: The Ukrainian President is reportedly seeking $1 billion per month in perpetuity from NATO for ongoing military support—raising questions about Western commitments and fiscal sustainability.

  “He wants us to send him a billion dollars in perpetuity. And he's also stepping back from some of the previously discussed land concessions...”
  — Clayton Morris (05:02)

• Colonel Douglas MacGregor's Analysis [05:38]:

  • NATO is described as "a terminal patient on life support"—unlikely to invoke Article 5 or come to Hungary’s aid.
  • Zelensky compared to a desperate Trotsky, making reckless moves as internal support and Western patience wane.
  • Suggestion that European leaders may be quietly encouraging escalation to discipline Hungary's Orban, whom MacGregor frames as resisting globalist influence.

  “I think Zelensky is desperate. He'll do anything for attention, to attract attention, to attract money, anything he possibly can.”
  — Col. MacGregor (06:12)

• Orban’s Position: Framed as steadfastly defending Hungarian sovereignty against both EU and NATO encroachments, gaining more support within the alliance.

• Financial instability in Europe: De-dollarization and soaring defense budgets are pushing Western systems to a breaking point. MacGregor warns, “All of this is going to come tumbling down. This is the 11th hour.” (08:37)

2. Russia–Ukraine Battlefield Situation

• MacGregor assesses that Russia is preparing Odessa for occupation and is generally in control of the conflict's outcome.
• NATO’s capacity to intervene militarily is derided as negligible (“British would be lucky if they could mobilize 30,000 troops... the French about the same”).
• Russia’s objectives are to ensure Ukrainian neutrality and prevent any NATO presence in Ukraine.
• Prediction: The end will be a quiet “implosion” of European unity and fiscal order, not a dramatic military resolution.

3. Israel–Gaza and The ‘Double Tap’ Strike

• Coverage of an Israeli strike on a Gazan hospital accused of employing the “double tap" tactic (targeting first responders and medical personnel in a secondary strike).

• MacGregor frames this as part of a campaign for “Greater Israel,” aiming for the complete elimination or expulsion of the Palestinian population.

  “From the Israeli standpoint, this is not an atrocity. This is part of the larger operation to kill or drive out everyone that lives in Gaza and ultimately on the West Bank.”
  — Col. MacGregor (17:29)

• He argues U.S. policy is captive to Israeli interests: “As long as [Netanyahu] has control of the White House and Congress... nothing is going to change. Doesn't matter how many of these people you murder.” (19:35)

• American public opinion is described as numb or even supportive of such extreme measures due to decades of media conditioning.

4. UK Economy, Mass Protests, and National Identity

• Guest: Jim Ferguson [30:49]: Details ongoing national protests around economic collapse and culture wars over the meaning and permission to fly the Union Jack and other UK flags.
• Protests are largely in response to soaring living costs and perceived erasure of national identity by the government.
• Discussion of Nigel Farage’s proposal for a ‘deportation command’ to handle unprecedented levels of illegal immigration—framed by Ferguson as “an existential threat to Western Europe.”
• Internal splits within the UK opposition (Reform UK) and the rise of new political movements (Advance UK), some with direct support from global figures like Elon Musk.
• The Labour Party (under Starmer) and the Tories are criticized as “globalist uniparty” failing the working class.
• Government response described as draconian, with new taxes and policies targeting working Brits.

5. Flag Burning and Executive Orders

• New executive order from President Trump sentencing flag burners to up to one year in prison; debate over whether this violates First Amendment rights.

• Playback and analysis of Justice Antonin Scalia's defense of flag burning as core free speech.

• Lionel (Lionel Nation) argues Trump’s announcement may be more about political trolling than actual policy, designed to bait Democrats into defending unpopular stances.

  “Trump is the troller in chief… he drives these people crazy [and draws] the Democrats supporting burning the flag.”
  — Lionel (60:29)

• Detailed discussion about how Supreme Court precedent can flip, and how public attitudes toward flag “desecration” often don’t align with the law’s actual complexities (per Lionel and hosts).

• Results from a live audience poll: 65% oppose allowing flag burning, illustrating the intense emotional resonance.

6. FBI Raid on John Bolton, Lawfare, and Legal Double Standards

• Recent FBI raid on John Bolton’s home triggers rare defense of Bolton by Democrats, who now decry “lawfare” and alleged politicized prosecution (ironically, the same argument used previously by conservatives).

• Lionel sharply criticizes double standards in prosecutions (“I want to see things like conspiracy, obstruction… not just ‘hold information incorrectly’”).

• Frustration aired over lack of accountability for political and intelligence figures, especially in comparison to aggressive prosecution of Trump and associates.

  “The only arrest we've seen were a couple of judges at the state court level who may be helped out regarding ICE raids. So I hope there's something to it… This fellow has basically slithered between the lines for so many years.”
  — Lionel (44:20)

• The episode ends with calls for genuine, non-selective enforcement of laws and skepticism that symbolic executive orders or media outrage will produce real change.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Col. MacGregor on NATO’s weakness:
  “NATO is increasingly, you know, a terminal patient on life support… I think Zelensky is desperate… All of this is going to come tumbling down. This is the 11th hour…” (06:12–08:37)

• On public indifference to Palestinian deaths:
  “Americans… look at me straight in the eye and say, oh, kill them all. Get rid of them. Who cares?... That's part of the preparation through the mainstream media.”
  — Col. MacGregor (20:54)

• Jim Ferguson on UK protests:
  “There is a movement taking place called Raise the Colours… all across the United Kingdom, people are raising the national flags and they're really angry about the fact that some of the local councils have been telling people that they're not allowed to fly the union flags. It's crazy.” (31:17)

• Lionel on lawfare:
  “This is going to be the year and the era of the courts. Defamation in particular is going to be the way that people get rid… of their enemies… This is the era of defamation and libel.” (46:02)

• Scalia, played on-air, on flag burning and free speech:
  “Burning the flag is a form of expression. Speech doesn't just mean written words or oral words. It could be semaphore. Burning a flag is a symbol that expresses an idea. I hate the government. The government is unjust. Whatever.” (58:40)

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Important Timestamps

• Ukraine–Hungary escalation intro: 04:00–06:00
• Col. MacGregor segment on Ukraine/Hungary/NATO: 05:38–12:22
• Russian operations and future of Ukraine: 12:22–16:17
• Israel–Gaza ‘Double Tap’ strike & Greater Israel analysis: 16:17–26:29
• UK protests/economy with Jim Ferguson: 30:49–39:54
• John Bolton FBI raid & ‘lawfare’ discussion with Lionel: 43:37–55:59
• Flag burning, Trump’s EO, and Supreme Court jurisprudence: 57:59–65:42
• Audience flag burning poll & cultural debate: 72:37–75:42

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Tone & Language

Throughout the episode, the hosts maintain a conversational and often sardonic tone, blending serious critiques with humor and skepticism. Guest experts echo this, offering blunt—sometimes provocative—takes on both foreign policy and domestic law, often laced with historical parallels and pointed anecdotes.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a pointed, critical look at Western foreign and domestic policy at a moment of acute crisis—from the unraveling NATO consensus and web of European economic meltdowns, to deepening divisions in the US over national symbols and the law. Both hosts and guests press for honest, accountable governance—and urge a skeptical eye toward official narratives, no matter how widely they are promoted.

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Transcript

[A]

Wake up, everybody. Welcome into Redacted on this Tuesday. I'm Clayton Morris.

[B]

I'm Natalie Morris.

[A]

And on this show, we follow the truth wherever it leads us. We don't have an agenda. And we've got a lot of stories we're gonna get to. On today's show. We're gonna talk about the very latest in Ukraine. It looks like. Well, I don't know why. It seems like Ukraine is ready to provoke and start a war, declare a war on Hungary. That is what the Hungarian officials are saying today. And we're gonna look at the very latest on that. Plus Zelensky demanding over a billion dollars from NATO in perpetuity to fund. What about peace talks? We're gonna talk about that today.

[B]

We're gonna talk about how the UK Economy is on the brink of collapse. If you live in the uk you know this. It's horrible there. It's really hard to live. Also, the Democrats have decided that John Bolton is their new hero. Death eater. John Bolton, coup leader.

[A]

John Bolton, Warmonger.

[B]

Warmonger. This is crazy. Now they're upset that John Bolton is the target of an FBI raid. We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about whether or not you should be able to burn the flag. We're gonna talk about whether or not the new Epstein book is a fraud or not. We got a lot to talk about. Buckle up.

[A]

We've got a lot to get to today on the show, so let us know where you're joining us from. If you are new to the show and you subscribe, your name will pop up on the big screen here, right in front of us here. So.

[B]

Hey, Clayton. Fox News just did a whole segment from commercial break to commercial break. Oh, I'm sorry. I left my phone here. About Taylor Swift's engagement.

[C]

Oh, thank God.

[B]

Fox News alert about how Taylor Swift got engaged to one of the Kelsey boys. I don't give a crap which one.

[A]

Well, then that means the Philadelphia Eagles will win the super bowl once again this year.

[B]

Why does that mean that?

[A]

Because, you know, they. They. They crap the bed when she was always hanging around this year.

[B]

Okay, The Chiefs, sure.

[A]

You know, so that's what I'm hoping for.

[B]

All right. Yeah. So full segment. Like, literally a whole segment. We are not going to do that. This is not the place for that. If you're interested in that, you can go to her Instagram. Okay, so.

[A]

Well, good. Well, we're not. We're not going to talk about Taylor.

[C]

Swift, but we are.

[A]

Look how surprised I know I'm really thrilled about this, but we got a lot of news to get to. Our guest is in. So we're gonna get to that in a moment.

[B]

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[A]

The chat say that, well, this will lead to Taylor Swift writing a whole album about it when the. When the relationship goes south.

[B]

I was thinking this very same thing. I hate to be cynical, but I figure the new album's coming out, people know, then they're getting an alb about enthused love, and then they will be able to sell another one when that goes bad. Like Adele's divorce record. Yeah. I'd do a sham marriage for that. Absolutely.

[A]

Wouldn't you do a sham marriage just to sell albums?

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Philip, you don't have a sham marriage for a show. No, we don't. This is a real marriage.

[A]

See, I wasn't gonna go there and make that joke, but I'm glad you did.

[B]

No, this is a real marriage. That's why we bicker like this. It's irl.

[A]

Yeah. Philip, you would do that though, clearly.

[D]

Oh, I would. Not again.

[A]

I mean, it'd be like the third album. Your first album was such a success. There's no way you would do it again. You can't. Lightning doesn't strike twice in the same spot. All right, let's get into it. We've got a lot of news to get to today. Did Ukraine just declare war on Hungary after it struck Hungary's pipeline? Multiple drone strikes. You know, it wasn't just an accident. One little drone strike. No. Multiple drone strikes and tensions escalating. This is the headline this afternoon. Has Hungary just declared war? Excuse me? Has Ukraine just declared war on Hungary? The continued attacks on key pipeline are hurting an EU member and he chooses to add insult to injury. This is spiraling out of control. In recent days, we've seen tensions in Eastern Europe taken an unexpected turn. The attack on key pipelines seem to have been just the opening move and what some are calling a dangerous escalation. We're also seeing Ukrainian President Zelensky making some bold demands. He doesn't have any demands to make, but he's still making them. I guess if he has NATO support. Like a perpetual billion dollar commitment from NATO countries per month. Per month.

[B]

Not just 1 billion.

[A]

You and I, per month, paying out of our taxpayer dollars. He wants us to send him a billion dollars in perpetuity. And he's also stepping back from some of the previously discussed land concessions, like Crimea and other parts of what was eastern Ukraine. Donbas, Donetsk, Luhansk, all of that. What is going on with this guy? Too much cocaine? I don't exactly know. It's time to bring in a seasoned voice who can help us make sense of what's really going on in the world. We're going to talk about that in Israel as well. We're going to bring IN Colonel Douglas MacGregor to give us his take on whether Ukraine has effectively just declared war on Hungary. Colonel, good to see you.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know if I'm seasoned enough to comment on someone's coke habits, but I'll give it a try.

[A]

You are seasoned, but we'll keep the drug talk away from you. But I don't know what the hell he's thinking. And I don't know why you would want to attack a fellow NATO country. Well, you're not a NATO country, but you're attacking a NATO country, hoping maybe to become part of NATO. I don't know if that's the way it works. You make fun of a boy that you're hoping to then turn into your boyfriend. Because I just don't understand it. But why is Ukraine continuing to attack Hungary?

[C]

Well, two things. Let's keep it in mind. NATO is increasingly, you know, a terminal patient on life support. I don't expect Article 5 will be invoked and that the rest of NATO will ride to the rescue of Hungary and its collision with Ukraine. I think Zelensky is desperate. He'll do anything for attention, to attract attention, to attract money, anything he possibly can. He reminds me of TROTSKY Back in 1920, before the decision was made by the Bolsheviks to invade Poland. He predicted the imminent destruction of Poland and unification with their fellow communists in Germany. Well, ultimately, Trotsky was wrong. Poland won the war, the Bolsheviks were driven back in confusion, and Trotsky eventually woke up with an ax in his head. I think something similar probably awaits our friend Zelensky. So these are all acts or expressions of desperation. Now we need to understand something about Prime Minister Orban. Prime Minister Orban has made it very clear that life and death questions for Hungary that really concern the sovereignty and the independence and the life of Hungary must be decided by Hungarians, not the European Union and not NATO, which is a very intelligent position to take. In my judgment. There's no reason why he should surrender his sovereignty to NATO and the eu. I suspect that Messrs. Macron, Starmer, Metz may well have conferred with Zelensky and said, yeah, by all means, let's embarrass Mr. Orban, let's attack him. He's leading the fight against us and our globalist agenda. So that may be part of the cabal that's responsible for this, but it's not going to improve things for them and it's certainly not going to distract Orban from doing what he thinks is right, which is to protect Hungary. And he's getting more and more support from within the alliance every day.

[B]

Well, what though, is the selling point of being a part of NATO if your buds won't step up and say you're kind of not supposed to attack one of us. That's the purpose. Now, President Trump had made this big to do about getting NATO partners to spend more. What the heck are they going to spend for other than just to donate to Ukraine?

[C]

Look, the economic situation in Europe, the financial structure is ready to collapse. You know, we're, we're in bad shape. You know, de dollarization continues around the world because many countries are wisely distancing themselves from us because they anticipate a spike in the bond market. You know, we've already been buying our own bonds for months and months and months, and the 10 year bond continues to inch upward as all the bond bonds do. If it gets closer to 5%, then I think we're in a lot of trouble because that has a huge impact on the trillion plus dollar interest payment that we're now stuck with. And we have a $7 trillion budget, which is outrageous, over a million dollars of which is devoted to defense. Probably another 2, 3, 400 billion go into the black ops and CIA and national security Agency budgets. So you're looking at a trillion and a half. That's all bound up with the warfare state. All of this is going to come tumbling down. This is the 11th hour. I think Zelensky knows that. But the notion that the Europeans could step up and fill the void, which is essentially what President Trump has said. You know, we'll be back up. We'll, we'll support from a distance, but we're not going to take the lead on this. I mean, that's effectively what he said about the war with Russia, that the Europeans are the ones that have to come to terms. He's walking away from what is clearly a disaster. He never understood the gravity of the situation. He made a lot of ridiculous remarks. I think he sobered up. But he, especially after the Alaska summit and said, that's fine. That's it. This is my, my last segment in this reality TV show called America Meets with Russia Over Ukraine. And it's all going to stop. And I don't think there's anything that's going to keep NATO and the EU together too much longer.

[A]

Maybe money at all. I mean, because Ukrainian President Zelensky over the past 24 hours is now demanding that NATO send Ukraine $1 billion every month. He says that Ukraine deserves this because it's defending a critical principle on the European level by resisting Russia. So you and I are going to foot the bill for more money flowing into NATO, into this boondoggle.

[C]

Well, at some point, I think President Trump will stop the flow of money. But the sad part is that he really hasn't interrupted the flow that began under President Biden. You have to ask yourself at this point, when you look at the situation, what has he changed since Biden left office? Truth is certainly in the Middle east and in Europe, not much. But the Europeans are in a lot of trouble. These globalists that are in charge of Paris, Berlin, and London are on very, very weak ground. What are they supposed to do? If they admit that the war is lost, that they can't sustain this war on behalf of Ukraine, then they're admitting that everything they said was a lie. And it has been a lie from day one. Russia has no interest in invading and conquering the rest of Europe. Far from it. Nobody in their right mind in Moscow wants to manage the mess that we see in Europe today. In fact, they've insulated themselves from the mess. So is Orban, so is Poland, so is Slovakia. These states don't want anything to do with the catastrophe that exists inside these Western countries. So I think ultimately the whole thing will just fold quietly. You know, things that they talk about. It'll end with a whimper, not a bang. And I think that's what will ultimately happen, because the European states are going to implode financially. I think Starmer and Macron and Mertz are all going to be out of a job. End of discussion. Then what?

[A]

Where do you think things sit on the peace spectrum right now? And what advances is Russia making on the battlefield from a strategic perspective? Are they going as hard as they ever were, even after the Alaska meeting? Where do things stand militarily right now?

[C]

Well, I think something that's very interesting is you've got a lot of Russian special operations forces now operating in the outskirts of Odessa, and they've helped to target all the installations in Odessa that are of any military character or capability. It looks to me as though the Russians are prepping Odessa for eventual occupation, and the Ukrainians don't have forces to do anything about it. They can't protect it. They can't easily control it. So keep your eye on Odessa in the months ahead, because I'd be very surprised if that didn't fall into the hands of the Russians as far as what's happening on the other side of the river. They're cleaning up. That's the best way to put it. That's something we've never understood. Everybody says, well, it's all about territory, territory, territory. No, it isn't. It's never been about territory. First of all, the areas the Russians now control are historically Russian anyway. And that was always true from the very beginning. And that includes, by the way, Crimea. When I say always, certainly since the 1770s, that's a pretty long time. It's about as long as we've existed as a nation. So that's not new. The issue, though, for the Russians is they want to control whatever is necessary to ensure two things. First of all, that Ukraine is neutral and that that neutrality is aligned with essentially the kind of treaty that the Austrian state treaty represents, something which limits Ukraine's military capability and absolutely excludes the possibility that there are any NATO forces on the ground. And by the way, the NATO forces, they don't have much to send. You know, the British would be lucky if they could mobilize 30,000 troops to send somewhere. The French are about the same. So who else is going to show up and send troops in. The polls aren't going to send any more in. The president of Poland has made that very clear. No more Polish forces under any circumstances will go into Ukraine. And he's got, what, 3, 4 million Ukrainians in his country trying to figure out how to send them back. So the whole business is a sham. The notion that NATO can do anything at this point is, is absurd. And we are, are now turning our attention to Venezuela. You know, somebody pointed out to me, don't you think Maduro looks a lot like Saddam Hussein? Unfortunately, I think there's a lot of resemblance there. That does worry me because the last regime change operation we performed didn't come come off very well. But, you know, the bottom line is I think President Trump is going to quietly walk away from it. So the place that I worry much more about at this stage is not what will happen in Ukraine. The Russians will determine that outcome. They've already set the tone. President Trump knows that. He met with him and they told him the truth. You know, these are our conditions. They're not going to change. And at the same time, they also made it clear, and I think President Trump agrees with this, that they want good relations with us. It's up to us now to repair those relations and establish a new and better future for both the United States and Russia. But Ukraine, that's a matter now for the Europeans and Russia. And if the Europeans want nothing to do with it, well, then Russia will take over. But again, who should be at the table discussing what happens with Ukraine and its borders? I think Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, and ultimately Germany. You could probably toss in the Lithuanians since they have a modest interaction with the Russian border, but that's about it. Why are the rest of these Europeans even interested? It's ridiculous. They have nothing to say. And that's what ultimately is going to happen. They won't have anything to say.

[B]

Well, let's talk about this Israeli strike on the hospital in Gaza because it was a military tactic known as a double tap. For those of us that don't know, that means you'd say strike something, circle back and hit it again when the medics and rescue workers come in. This was a tactic used reportedly by the CIA under Barack Obama, as well as used by Al Qaeda in Iraq. Now, Israel issued the usual mea culpas. And then they said, oh, actually, no, we did look into it. There was a camera there. So we had to go and strike that in order to get that camera, because the camera was filming IDF soldiers. Now, I don't know about you, but for me, this hearkens to Collateral Murder, which was the video that WikiLeak published where US Apache helicopter fires on civilians mistaking a camera for a weapon. Now, President Trump said, I'm not happy about that, but Israel can weather that. They can weather the international condemnations, the press outrage, and then they stall with inquiries and then they keep striking and.

[A]

Then they do it again.

[B]

Right. So what do you make of this? Is this just, we're gonna scream we don't like it and they'll keep doing it. And that's what we're going to do next week, too. We'll see you here.

[C]

Well, two things. First of all, a precondition for the success of the so called Greater Israel Project. And at some point it would be useful, I guess, Clayton, Natalie, if somebody put a map up that shows the Greater Israel Project. But for our purposes today, the elimination of the Palestinian population from both Gaza and the so called west bank is absolutely unchanging. They've got to do it. So. And then that's the first thing. Then. Secondly, remember that from the beginning, the so called occupants of Gaza and the west bank were characterized as amalek. In other words, subhumans, animals richly deserving of extermination. So from the Israeli standpoint, this is not an atrocity. This is part of the larger operation to kill or drive out everyone that lives in Gaza and ultimately on the West Bank. Now, to go back to the last question about what's going to happen, it doesn't make any difference what the Israelis do as long as they control the White House and Congress. And right now Mr. Netanyahu controls both of those. Yeah, there you go. That shows you the so called Greater Israel Project. How can you possibly advance to do a fraction of that in Syria, northern Iraq, Cairo, you know, Israel and anywhere else, unless you eliminate the population of Palestinians that are currently sitting inside your country. So that has to happen. I mean, it's kind of laughable. But you've got to understand something. Netanyahu is the president of more than Israel. He's the president of international financial power and capital. That is committed by the United States to a lesser extent. Well, I would say equally committed by the City of London banks to the idea that this is the opportunity to establish not just Israeli hegemony and control, but the control of the west, of the oil jugular in Iran, in the Persian Gulf and ultimately the people that live there. This is part of if there is a strategy and this is Not President Trump's invention. It's a strategy that's been with us for a long time to get control of all the oil and gas that's in the region, because China and Northeast Asia in general, but especially China, are very heavily dependent upon it. So as long as he has control of the White House and Congress, and right now, Mr. Netanyahu. Yahoo does, nothing is going to change. Doesn't matter how many of these people you murder. Whatever you do is your affair. The only comment that President Trump ever points out is, gosh, I wish he would get on with this and get it over with. Does that sound someone who is very concerned about the humanitarian disaster on his hands?

[B]

No. So he can not be happy about it. The rest of us have to just bend over and take it and just observe.

[C]

But you got to remember something else, and this is something I've had difficulty dealing with. I talk to people all over the place, and I'm always interested what they think. And I talk to a lot of Americans. They'll look at me straight in the eye and say, oh, kill them all. Get rid of them. Who cares? And this is a product of decades of systematic them.

[B]

It just people and Palestinians.

[C]

Yes. Well, Muslim Arabs, Muslim Arabs in general, but especially, you know, the Palestinians that are there. Their view is all these people are exactly what Netanyahu said. Now, when I say they, I'm talking about a substantial chunk of people. I would certainly say at least one out of every three Americans I talk to pretty much takes that position. Who cares? Get rid of them. And again, that's part of the preparation through the mainstream media. And I know a lot of us that served in the Middle east. And you get different kinds of people that come out of that experience. And one group learns to hate, and that hatred never leaves because they lost a friend or they saw something happen they disliked. I mean, I'll be frank with you, when I was there in 91, the biggest challenge that I had during that war, which was in this massive tank battle that we fought, was getting people to stop shooting. When. When I declared a ceasefire. And there were a lot of people that didn't want to. Didn't want to cease fire. Their view was, let's get rid of all of them while we're here, we'll just do it, be done with it. There are people like that and they don't change. And then there are others that look beyond the hostilities and say, good Lord, what are we doing here? We're not helping these people by killing them. We're not improving their lives, we're not improving ours. We don't benefit from this. There's no strategic payoff for us to go somewhere and kill tens of thousands of people. So you get different attitudes from different people. But the point is that right now, excuse me, I think there are just one out of three Americans, at least that I encounter. They could care less. And so how much, if you're a.

[B]

Military, if you're a pilot, is this taught in any kind of military training? Like the double tap is a war crime. Let's not do it. Shouldn't this be sort of basic? We don't do that.

[A]

Yeah. I was going to ask you about the military strategy. Is it just like there's actually a military strategy to this, or is it just part of the Greater Israel Project? Destroy all of these buildings.

[C]

Terrorists of various types and kinds, Irish Republican Army, Arab terrorists, Pakistani terrorists, whatever, have on more than one occasion, set off an explosion. And then they wait and there's another explosion that goes off once the people come in to rescue the individuals that are there. That's effectively what the Israelis do now. And this is because in their view, these people are all the enemy. You know, who. Who are these people that are rushing up to help? How many of them are also terrorists? We don't have time to sort it out. So we'll get another 30 or 40 dead, and that adds to the total. And that makes us safer. That's the view. The more of them we kill, the safer we are. That is the Israeli position. Now, I. I don't like that. It doesn't appeal to me. I never did anything like that. But that is a predisposition on the battlefield. You know, if you take an enemy tank or armored fighting vehicle under fire, there are several out there. You put a round in one, you go to another one, put a round in that one, go back to the one you hit to begin with, hit them again.

[A]

Any brave politicians want to stand up and say enough is enough, you have, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massie, I mean, I can count them on one hand. There's so few of them, and none of them are president of the United States. At the end of the day, Colonel, I want to point out you have a big event coming up here, and I want to promote it for everyone to go and if they want to see the colonel. Live with our friend Judge Napolitano, Natalie Brunel, and at the National Conversation. The National Conversation. The Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, Texas. This will be October 4th, so people can scan their tickets Right there. If you got. There's a QR code right on the screen if anyone wants to go. If you guys happen to be in Dallas or nearby and want to come and see.

[B]

And let me tell you, people do want to see the Colonel. We spoke recently together at the Ron Paul Institute, and he had the longest line of people who wanted to take pictures. People really admire your intellectual honesty, and it was really a pleasure to see. See, you're a rock star. I didn't realize that. I should have.

[C]

Well, I thought it was because you were standing nearby.

[B]

I wasn't. I was across the room. You had your own line.

[A]

Yeah. People in their chat room saying, please, Colonel McGregor for president in 2028. But in lieu of that, at least they can come see you in Dallas, Texas.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, it's also supposed to be an interactive evening. We want to talk to the audience. We want the audience to talk to us. So we'll address questions. We've got a great lady who does that very, very well, and her name is Olga Ravazi, very well prepared. She's taught at the college and university levels. And of course, you mentioned Natalie Brunel, who's a great financial analyst, a very sharp person. And then the judge, everybody knows him, he speaks for himself. But the idea is that we're going to take questions across the spectrum from finance to culture to America at home and abroad, and then we want to interact with the audience. We want to know what people think, and we want to do this. If we're successful in Dallas, we want to go to different cities every 90 days all across the United States and repeat this, because we think there are a lot of people out there who, number one, don't feel represented and number two, don't get a chance to express their views on anything.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. And they feel like they're silenced, they're censored and blocked, and they don't feel like they have a voice right now. So again, October 4th, go see the Colonel. Go see Judge Knapp, Natalie Brunel and the rest. Colonel, great to see you as always. Thank you for your time, as always.

[C]

Thanks, Clayton. Thanks, Natalie.

[E]

Bye.

[C]

Bye.

[A]

Appreciate it. Thanks, Colonel.

[B]

All right, coming up, we're gonna talk about how the UK Government is on the brink of collapse.

[A]

Well, the economy.

[B]

The economy. Right. Not the government.

[A]

Well, the entire country is on the brink of collapse, but we're going to talk about specifically the economy. And we will also talk about, you know, Nigel Farage has just rolled out this new plan for mass deportations. Can it actually Save the United Kingdom. We're going to talk about that, but.

[B]

First, Clayton will tell you about our friends over at Black Forest Supplement.

[A]

Right. The swamp and their allies in big pharma know this. A healthy, energized population is harder to control. That's why unelected bureaucrats at the FDA are working overtime right now to put NMN in their hands. A big pharma and out of yours. We've covered this story on the show. NMN is nicotinamide mononucleotide. I'm probably not saying that right at all. A natural supplement which is vital for functioning of 37 trillion cells in your body, can help reduce weight, cholesterol, everything. Here's Professor David Sinclair from the center for the Biology of Aging at Harvard Medical center talking about it on Joe Rogan. What is nmn?

[F]

Good question. So let me take a quick step back.

[C]

Sure.

[F]

So about 20 years ago, Lenny Guarenti and a team of us at MIT discovered a set of genes that controls aging in yeast cells. Just raw yeast, what you find in beer and bread. And those genes are called sirtuins. And there are seven of them in our bodies, five in yeast. And what they do is they protect all organisms on the planet, plants, bacteria, humans, from deterioration and disease. They're like the Pentagon. They sense when we're hungry, sense when we're exercising, and they send out the troops to defend us. So when you. When you put more of these genes into a yeast cell or a mouse, they'll live longer. Between 5 to 20% longer. And so we think that these genes are responsible for the effects of dieting and exercise, which is great. What that means is we can now mimic that with molecules. So NMN is one of those molecules. So is resveratrol.

[A]

So NMN works so well the FDA now wants to pull it from shelves. And it. Look, here's the thing. This isn't about safety bets. It's all about profit. I've taken NMN for years. Run faster, you can lift heavier, you think clearly, have much more energy. It boosts nad, the key to vitality and longevity. And that's also what Professor Sinclair talks about. Here, watch.

[F]

Get this. So sirtuins need NAD to work. Without them, they don't work. In fact, if you don't have any in your body, you'd be dead in about 30 seconds. It's a really important molecule, but as we get older, we lose NAD. So by the time you're 50, like I almost am, you have about half the levels of once we have when you're 20.

[A]

So to stay strong and sharp as you need, you need nad. And NMN is the most effective way to boost. That's why the FDA wants Big Pharma to control it. And for the next 48 hours, Black Forest supplements. They've been in a battle with the FDA over this. You can get it. Buy one, get one free right from their website. Just go to blackforestsupplements.com redacted for the next 48 hours. Get this before the restrictions hit. Don't wait. The link is in the description. Again, BlackForestSupplements.com redacted is the place to go. Thank you, guys. I know we had that software issue or God knows what happened, but thank you guys for being here. Appreciate it. Someone asked, have I ever been probed by an alien that he knows of? No, I've never been probed by an alien that I know of. Absolutely not.

[G]

Yeah, I don't think that guy was an alien.

[B]

That was funny.

[E]

All right.

[A]

Well, a new report out today shows the UK's economy is on the brink of collapse. According to the Telegraph, Britain is about to repeat its 1976 crushing economic collapse with soaring debt, borrowing like a man with a gambling problem. The UK is drowning right now and the only bailout is to borrow more money at ridiculously inflated borrowing costs. And tens of thousands of protests all over the uk. What is going on here? Even Russell Brand was talking about this today. UK is basically facing collapse. Jim Ferguson is here. He's a former parliamentary candidate and journalist, independent journalist and really one of the. One of the clearest, sharpest independent voices in all of the uk. And he's also a founder of Freedom Train International. Jim, welcome back to the show. Good to see you.

[D]

Yeah, it's great to be on with you guys. Thanks for having me.

[A]

And thanks for staying up late with us. We know we had some software issues and pushed us a little bit back on time. So really appreciate that we see all these protests. I want to talk about the protests first. And you have Nigel Farage coming out calling for a mass deportation department, sort of a deportation commission, I guess, that would round up as many people. I mean, is that really at the heart of what's going on here? Talk about these protests and where does the UK sit tonight?

[D]

Well, things are escalating at a rapid pace. There's a movement taking place called Raise the Colours. And all across the United Kingdom, in the different regions in Scotland and Wales, in England, people are raising the national flags and they're really angry about the fact that some of the local councils have been telling people that they're not allowed to fly the union flags. It's crazy. And there is real pushback coming. I think people are getting very, very angry about this sort of dystopian totalitarian censorship and crackdown that the Starmer government is doing. And these protests are getting more and more widespread. In fact, there is a big Protest coming on the 13th of September that Tommy Robinson has been heavily involved in. I'll probably be at that one reporting. But yet there's a lot going on. People are really fed up with the government and of course when they see the spiraling food costs, fuel costs and all the expenses that people are having to put up with, it is just making them even angrier. So there's a lot of tension in the country right now and the Starmer government is in all sorts of trouble because of it.

[B]

Now, what does the government say that the flag symbolizes? You noticed Elon Musk put it on his X account. And so why are they saying that this is a symbol of hate when it literally is? What gives? It's the identity of your borders?

[D]

Well, you know, it's actually a bigger problem because the globalist movements don't like national sovereign countries. They've been teaching the young people in the primary schools, in the secondary schools, in college and university that if you fly your national flag, you're in some way a racist or you're far right. And this is the kind of rhetoric that's been coming out. We now have a two tier policing system and a two tier justice system in the United Kingdom. And if people raise their national flags because they're proud of their country and they want to be patriotic, that is now deemed offensive and people are really upset about it. And so what's happened is within the last week, just one week, over a million flags of various different types in, in, in Scotland and Wales and England have been getting raised. And they're also painting the roundabouts, they're putting the St. George Cross on roundabouts all over the country is phenomenal. It's great to see it actually, to see our flags being flown. But it's bizarre as to how Starmer and his government are trying to take the flags down. It just doesn't make sense. But it's upsetting a lot of Brits.

[B]

Well, can you, can you at least make the argument, even though it's a joke, what they're saying is this upsets other people because I can't even make them. Can you explain the BS that they're trying to sell you about why this flag is bad.

[D]

You know, there used to be a TV show where you would give an argument, then you had to flip and give the other opposing argument. But no, I mean, there is no justification for this. Well, it's crazy. I mean, it's madness. You know, it is madness. And. And people are upset for it. But you know something, I wonder if it's been done on purpose, actually, because it's almost like they really want to antagonize the British people, the English people, the Welsh, the Scots, those in Northern Ireland. It's so bizarre, but it is upsetting. But what it is doing is it's galvanizing people. It's galvanizing people. And one of the big issues is mass illegal immigration, which I've said for a long time is by design. It's been done on purpose. It is being done to destroy countries from within. I was speaking in Moldova at the Make Europe Great Again conference there just a couple of weeks ago, and I described it as an existential threat to Western Europe. Thankfully, in the United States, under President Trump, he sealed the US Southern border, but the English Channel is wide open. There are record numbers of people coming in and there are very, very serious, very serious attacks on women and children taking place now literally every single day. You can't go on to social media and not see many, many posts about this coming up. So it's getting. Tension is at boiling point.

[A]

Well, you look at. I don't think you can decouple the mass migration into your borders and also decouple that from what's happening economically right now across the board. Nigel Farage calling for mass deportations as part of a plan for the deportation command, detention for everyone who entered illegally, mass removals. Do you think that this could actually work?

[D]

I do, but I think that what you might not be aware of is that there is a lot of division within Reform UK right now, which is what Nigel Farage is heading up. And indeed, a lot of people have left Reform and joined another party that's only just started about seven or eight weeks ago, called advance uk, led by my former colleague Ben Habib, who is a former Brexit Party member of the European Parliament. And he's. He used to be deputy leader with Reform, but he was prevented from talking to the grassroots members because he wanted to reform the structure of Reform uk. Well, they didn't want that, so he's formed his own party. Rupert Lowe has got a good movement going to restore Britain. But, yes, there's a lot of people who are calling now for mass deportations of those who are here illegally, those who have committed heinous and egregious crimes, especially against women and children. It's time that they were removed from the country. There can be no half measures. But of course, this has been perpetrated, in my opinion, quite deliberately, not just in the United Kingdom, but in Ireland and of course, in other parts of Europe as well. I think this is really part of a plan to destabilize and weaken the nations. And what we're now seeing in the economic front is very, very worrying. Rachel Reeves, or Rachel from Accounts, as she's sometimes known, the Chancellor of the Exchequer in charge of Britain's finances is getting it badly wrong and is now talking about having to get a bailout from the International Monetary Fund. You couldn't make this up.

[A]

Oh, my God. So now you need to get a loan at a high payback rate in order to bail yourselves out from the mess that you're in.

[B]

But the meantime, we're seeing draconian measures out of the finance department in the uk. Things like, oh, we're gonna put new taxes on this, that and the other. So it's the working class that are taking it absolutely up the arse, if I may use a UK word. And now that, I mean, they're trying to change the way you buy a house. They're trying to change pretty much everything. Everything is on the table to take it out of your blood, sweat and tears. And they will not course correct. Which makes me just wanna throw a scone.

[A]

What was the other thing we saw we had in the newsletter today about? They're gonna tax an additional.

[B]

That was Australia.

[A]

Oh, that was Australia. Okay. Well, I'm sure that's gonna come to the UK next, taxing an extra bedroom in your house. But. Yeah, it's madness, Jim.

[D]

It is madness. No, you're right, Natalie. It's that the working classes are the backbone of Britain. And the Labour Party used to be the party of the people. Not anymore. They've become the uniparty globalists. The same as the Tory party, the Conservatives. They're only Conservative in name only. That's why there is eyes of parties like Advance UK that are offering real solutions. And interestingly enough, Elon Musk has been in direct communication with Ben Habib, the leader of advance uk. And just for the record, I came when I came back from Poland. I was at the inauguration of the new president there. When I came back, I was asked to go down and meet them. And they asked me to take on the role of international ambassador. So I'm just giving that out and putting that out there. I've agreed to do that. So I've been working extensively across Europe with people like George Simeon in Romania. I met Marine Le Pen in Paris and France a few weeks ago at a private meeting with her. So there's a lot of things going on, but the Patriots are rising. They really do want to make Europe great again, but we want to make the United Kingdom great again. And Elon Musk has taken a big interest in advance uk. So I would say watch this space very closely.

[A]

Jim Ferguson, the great Jim Ferguson. Follow him on X as well. It's Jim Ferguson, UK on X, is that right?

[D]

That's right, yeah. Thanks.

[A]

There it is. Follow him on X. Let him know you saw him on Redacted. Always great to have you here, Jim. Thank you for staying up late with us there in London. We appreciate it.

[D]

My absolute pleasure, guys. Thanks for having me on.

[A]

Thanks, Jim. Always great pleasure.

[B]

All right, coming up, we're going to talk about how the Democrats are willing to go to the mattresses over John Bolton, the Death Eater. John Bolton. So is this lawfare, this revenge lawfare, or is it just time? Also, should you be able to burn an American flag? What does this new executive order say? We're gonna parse that out. And is the new Epstein biography by Virginia Giuffre that doesn't roll off the tongue? Is it all bogus? Lionel's gonna join us from Lionel Nation. But before we do that, we're gonna tell you about our friends over at Lear Capital, because right now, our national debt just passed 37 trillion. That, my friends, is a tax on the no other way to see it. Interest on that debt is at a trillion dollars per year. The only solution they have is to print more money. So it's no wonder the Fed is about to slash interest rates coming up here in a few days, further devaluing the US Dollar. Now, Clayton recently spoke to Lear CEO Kevin Demerit last week, and Kevin revealed some startling US Data. Number one, US Debt is accelerating out of control. The dollar is losing its value in the US and on the world stage, and gold and silver are rising for a reason. And in fact, if you had been listening to us all these years when we told you to look into Lear, you would be doing very well right now. You would be very happy, just like we are in our investments as well. Because, of course, smart money is moving. Central banks, billionaires, institutional investors are all moving into precious metals like gold and silver. We started our investments years ago and it's been one of the stuff, smartest, most secure moves we've made for our family and for our savings. It's not a trend, it's a shift. And so you can act now before it's too late. Call Lier Capital. Have a conversation. Literally. I called them before we were working with them as a sponsor and just had a full on conversation about my goals. They were really knowledgeable, not because they were a sponsor, just because I was interested in being a client. So you can do that too. Call 800-613-3557 or go to learn to get your free investor kit one more time. That's 800-613-3557 or go to Lear redacted.com. no one's going to protect your money but you. So do it now before the next crisis hits. All right. Well, something big is happening with warmonger John Bolton. The FBI seems to know that something big is coming or else they wouldn't have raided his house at 6am last week. But now, of all people, Democrats are freaking out saying that this is Lawfare. They are defending on msnbc, John Bolton, death eater, who has, oh, I don't know, instigated coups abroad and admitted it left nothing but death and destruction in its wake. The FBI is alleging, we think, because we haven't seen documents yet, that Bolton used a private server to handle classified documents, which is interesting. Ever heard of this lady? But okay, this of course means that a judge had to approve the raid, which means the FBI was able to make their case that there was something there to see and that the element of surprise was necessary. So now Democrats are saying this is Lawfare because they raided Trump, because they raided Trump associates and Trump allies. Here we go. This is Lawfare. We told you. Where were they in the Biden years, I wonder? Joining us to discuss is Lionel from The Lionel Nation YouTube channel. Lionel, first of all, we have a very important question. How does it feel to get a happy birthday from everyone here at Redacted?

[C]

Happy birthday.

[E]

Oh my gosh. Honored beyond, beyond belief. Thank you for that encomium, that peeing. And I understand there's something about that this particular month and other birthdays from what I understand as well.

[B]

But very unite. Mine's in two days. That's right. I knew there was something I liked about you.

[E]

Thank you very much.

[A]

Welcome. Happy birthday, Lionel. Great to see you. Great to see you. So thank you. I think something big is happening with Bolton. When you have all the stars aligning here, when you have MSNBC and the Democrats aligning to protect John Bolton, Yosemite Sam, something I'm getting, I want to get my two shooters because something's going on here. What do you think?

[E]

Well, I think something is going on, and I hope that there's something substantial, and I hope it's not just them taking this patellar reflex where they, where they necessarily just think that whatever it is, whatever the, the, the particular move, they just react in a kind of a strange way where they just automatically act in support. It was funny. There was a segment I saw, it was somebody from CNN or something who said before that, with the Mar A Lago raid, they said, well, this is obviously something. There has to be something there. And for a judge to, by the way, when a judge issues a search warrant, it means basically there's probable cause to find something, which basically translates into he probably did it. It doesn't really mean much. But they went from that to this is lawfare. So I would hope they follow through with it, because let me tell you something, in 200 and whatever days of the Trump administration, we've seen nothing. The only arrest we've seen were a couple of judges at the state court level who may be helped out regarding ice rays. So I hope there's something to it. He deserves his day in court. He deserves due process. But this fellow has basically slithered between the lines for so many years. I hope something ultimately happens to him. And I cannot believe the double standard. And by the way, there is lawfare, and you're seeing it also, not necessarily just in this, but in defamation and others. This is going to be the year and the era of the courts. Defamation in particular is going to be the way that people get rid, both at the, get rid of their enemies, not necessarily at the political level, but even at the, at the internecine social media levels. So let us wait and see. Indeed.

[A]

Do you, so you, you, you think that John Bolton's going to start coming after people for defamation and that's how this, a lot of this stuff will be down?

[E]

No, I'm saying that in addition to this, there's lawfare. I hope the Trump administration uses some form of lawfare. I said, but in addition to this, you're going to be seeing loads of lawfare lawsuits between, you know, Candace Owens and you've got, you've got Laura Loomer and others. And defamation is going to be the new. It's going to be, this is going to be the era of defamation and libel. So get ready for seeing not only criminal cases, civil cases, lawfare aplenty, some sometimes well applied and others misdirected. So this is the.

[B]

But I think it's undeniable that we saw lawfare against President Trump during the Biden years. And it feels like that DOJ was a bit trigger happy. They pulled the trigger on everybody, indicted everybody. Right. They were. They were taking everything to court. It feels like the Trump administration is the opposite. And I guess we want a government that is careful. But is it too much to ask that? I mean, we saw a little girl get in trouble in high school for pushing someone with an IDF shirt, but no one for Epstein, no indictments for any child, nothing. Like, why?

[E]

Well, this has been very frankly. I mean, I have great feelings of respect for the president and for this administration, but they have been absolutely pathetic. And what Pam Bondi started with the whole notion just going. You mentioned Virginia Giuffre and Epstein and others as well, that started off with this, with this incomprehensible nonsense regarding lists, lists, lists, files, documents, logs, black books, all these different ways of saying nothing. We've yet to see. By the way, Epstein is dead, that has been killed. You'll never see anything happen. Nothing will ever come of that. Zero. That was so poorly handled so horribly. Do you know, going back to Virginia's euphrate, and I'm glad you mentioned this, we still don't know definitively what happened to her. They're talking about, let me use YouTube parlance, perhaps self harm. But do we know that for sure? Have we seen anybody? Has there been anybody looking at toxicology reports, pathology reports, police reports? Do we know anything about this? Absolutely not. So this is, I mean, I don't even want to get. This case stinks. She is the linchpin. And yet we have forgotten. You know, Gore Vidal said, we are the United States of Amnesia. And it's true. We have the attention span of a gnat. One minute we talk about them and then they're gone. So sad. I hope that we have the same amount of attention that we have for her in her case and her demise as we do for Cracker Barrel and, you know, Taylor Swift and all this other kind of nonsense. Witches of no importance whatsoever.

[A]

Can I go back to. I want to talk about Bolton a little bit more here because some, I mean, just really interesting nuggets are now emerging about this guy. I mean, I've always thought he was sleazy. Every time I interviewed him, I thought he was sleazy when he ran for president. I thought that this is laughable, this sleaze ball, this warmonger is going to be elected president. And so what do you make of the raid specifically? And what do you think that they're working on? And maybe you can just take us through the legal machinations now that, that are unfolding for him behind the scenes.

[E]

Well, from a, from a, from a prosecutorial point of view, I wish there was something more substantive other than improper access to files. Whether you used it, it doesn't have a sting. You know what I mean? It just doesn't. Yeah, you know, you had the wrong.

[A]

I smell something bigger, Lionel. I smell something bigger going on here, and my sources are telling me that there is something bigger here. So I'm just kind of. I don't know what it is.

[E]

Well, I mean, this might be, I would hope, I. Listen, this is what I would love to have happen. I would love to have it. By the way, he's more than just a warmonger, because a warmonger is. He is, he is the prototypical neocon war profiteer. He is the, he is somebody who has, who has this strange idea of doing everything and anything to place our troops in harm's way, our resources, our military, our treasury, selectively. But I'm thinking, wait a minute, why don't you go fight? I mean, I love these people who were really bellicose when it comes to taking our men and women and dedicating them elsewhere. But what I hope would happen was this would be almost the fruit of the poisonous tree. They do this, they have the search warrant, they find out what happens, and then later on other things emerge. But I hope he isn't, he isn't. His denouement, so to speak. The valedictory of his service is not going to be. You held information incorrectly. Remember there was a CIA head one time who took us a file home. And I mean, that just, that doesn't sting. I want to see something similar to what they, they put President Trump through. But here's the bottom line. I want to see things like conspiracy, conspiracy to collude, conspiracy to hide, conspiracy to conceal. That's what I want. Obstruction of justice. I don't want you just having this file. I want you working with other people. Him telling people, don't tell anybody, hide this cover from me. That would be something a little bit more merit worthy, but we'll see with this. But another thing too. Please tell Tulsi, Gabbard and everybody else to shut up. Stop going on Fox News. Stop announcing what you're going to do. If you have something about either Russiagate or whatever, just keep it to yourself. Do me just a favor, just arrest somebody. Friends. Let me ask you this. Can you imagine one day where you're doing your thing, thing and all of a sudden it says breaking news. Live from Chappaqua, New York. Hillary Clinton has just been taken into federal custody. You see a drone fly over. She's taken into an suv, she's handcuffed. She's taken to the southern district of New York and lower Manhattan. She's booked and mugshotted and said the world would come to a screeching halt. The left would have a cataclysmic conniption. They would be frozen. It would be finally something happening. Just do it. But make sure you give it the same coverage that you gave Roger stone with these 4am ninja arrests. Make sure you cover every aspect of this and then have another series of these, including Comey and Brennan and others, and keep going. And at least maybe find out who was responsible behind the scenes regarding the attempt on the president's life. Find out where do these, where do these go? Where do these investigations go? This case stunk to high heaven where they our our side, if I can be so bold, seems to take the information. We work all of the momentum, we work all of the heft out on Fox News. We get completely tired of the subject and we move on to something else, maybe flag burning or Cracker Barrel or Taylor Swift. We use up all of our energy, all of our resources on TV or we go online or we have memes or we laugh or Greg Gutfeld says something. I mean it. That is Fox News has become our grand jury. That's our, that's our court say no, stop it. Stop doing all of this as political theater and actually prosecute somebody. You can do it. They're great and great inspiration and there's enough white hats in the Department of Justice. A lot of holdovers who would tell you precisely, here's how you do it. But I don't think Pam Bondi and all these other folks have this ruthlessness in them to really go after. They went after the president. They impeached him twice. They were going to go after him for the emoluments clause. They went after him and his wife and Melania's underwear in Mar A Lago. I mean they, nothing stopped them. We just had the case sort of thrown out. This is the 500 whatever million dollar verdict which wasn't reversed, it was just kind of modified. He has been hit left and right. And you would think this president would be just seething in, for lack of a better word, revenge and retribution. I'm going to get back. And nothing. Nothing. I don't understand what it takes. I don't take Bobby Kennedy. We went from Mr. Anti Vaxxer to worrying about Fruit Loops. It's like, what is going on here? We go from this ferocious. This is why I voted him in. And we have Pete Hegseth and Bobby doing pull ups. It's like, what are we doing? What monkey bars next? I mean, we're turning in the Roman Rose Garden into a food court.

[A]

Well, well, Alex Jones. Alex Jones just posted earlier today. He said, you're gonna all apologize to me when I tell you that tons of indictments are on their way. You're gonna all apologize. And I don't know that anyone needs to apologize, but I feel like you like, we've been waiting for these indictments. We've been waiting for this movement. We've been waiting for this action. I want helicopters over Chappaqua and I want Hillary Clinton.

[B]

We don't want lawfare. We want equal justice under the law. Okay, Lionel, can you hang out for a little bit? Because we're gonna ask you about flag burning.

[A]

Hold on. I want to tell people we just put up a poll. There's the flag. Don't burn it. Should you be allowed to burn the American flag? We just put it up on our YouTube channel because Rumble does not allow polling at this stage. So we have a vote up there. Now we have a poll up on our YouTube channel. Should you be allowed to burn the American flag?

[B]

Not should you do it. Should you be allowed to do it? These are two different questions.

[A]

Either you're pro Constitution or you're sort of like anti free speech, anti Constitution. So we will see. I'm leading the witness. But hey, we will see all that in a second here. We're going to get back to. Lionel's going to join us here in a moment to talk more about that and this executive order from President Trump. But it is surprising how little we discuss right now the potential effects of Wi Fi, 5G, and Bluetooth on our bodies. These signals are everywhere. They're not just harmless background noise. They're EMFs, or electromagnetic fields. And research shows they can mess with how our cells work. Did you know that research suggests that EMFs may open calcium channels in our cells? It's like doors that let calcium flood in, which can put cells under constant stress. That's where magnesium comes in. It helps close those doors. It keeps calcium in check, helps your nervous system stay calm. But here's the problem. Most of us don't get enough magnesium at all. And when your body is constantly bombarded by EMFs, your magnesium burn rate skyrockets, meaning you use it up faster than you can even replace it. And most supplements only use one or two basic forms that your body can't absorb very well. That's why I use magnesium Breakthrough from bioptimizers every day. It's part of my morning routine and my supplements. I love their magnesium because it has seven essential forms of magnesium, not just two of them, has seven. All designed for real absorption in your body so your cells get exactly what it needs to handle stress. So go to bioptimizers.com redacted and use that code redacted to save 15%. They even offer a 365 day guarantee. So there's zero risk. You can try it for zero risk. If you don't like it, just send it back. If you subscribe, not only will you get amazing discounts and free gifts, you will make sure your monthly supply is guaranteed right to your door. Again, that's buyoptimizers.com redacted. Save 15% of checkout. Natalie and I are subscribers to them. We pay for that so that those bottles show up every few, you know, on our regularly scheduled things.

[B]

Everyone in our house takes this every day.

[A]

Yeah, every day.

[B]

All right. Well, President Trump signed an executive order directing the Department of Justice to prosecute anyone who burns the American flag. Now, the White House says this will be punishable by up to one year in prison. They said this on Twitter, but that is not actually what the executive order says. The executive order orders the DOJ to prioritize enforcement of existing criminal and civil laws when people have engaged in flag burning. Now, the most conservative justice on the Supreme Court, Antonin Scalia, explained years ago how burning the flag is a constitutional right. Watch.

[H]

If I were king, I would not allow people to go about burning the American flag. However, we have a First Amendment which says that the right of free speech shall not be abridged. And it is addressed in particular to speech critical of the government. I mean, that was the main kind of speech that tyrants would seek to suppress. Burning the flag is a form of expression. Speech doesn't just mean written words or oral words. It could be semaphore. Burning a flag is a symbol that expresses an idea. I hate the government. The government is unjust. Whatever.

[A]

If you're not sure then in the end, no one knows the Constitution better than you do. Doesn't it come down to your personal interpretation of the Constitution? If it isn't clear cut, which you.

[D]

Can clearly isn't, you in the end.

[A]

Have to make an opinion, don't you?

[H]

Well, don't forget this person has to be convicted by a jury of 12 people who unanimously have to find that he was inciting to riot. So, you know, it's not all up to me. It would be up to me to say that there was not enough evidence for the jury to find that.

[A]

Perhaps.

[H]

But ultimately the right of jury trial is, is the protection.

[B]

Okay, so J.D. vance said that, well, maybe Scalia wasn't right here, but that this order still is within bounds of the Constitution. So joining us to break this down is Lionel from The Lionel Nation YouTube channel. Birthday boy, what do you make of this? Should you. First of all, does the order even violate our constitutional right for free expression?

[E]

No, no, no. Listen, can I just. Listen, don't tell anybody I told you this, but Trump is the troller in chief. He does this stuff knowing that it's not going to happen, but he drives these people crazy. Why, My dear friends? To draw them out of the woodwork to have the Democrats supporting burning the flag. Whatever he says, they're against it. So he says, I'm going to do some. I'm going to have this order that basically says, hey, would you maybe look into this? Could you review the. What does this mean? I don't know. Could you look into magic tricks? Could you find out whether David Blaine is really doing whatever you want? Okay, fine, look into it. Pam Bondi, I'm sure will issue binders with what she's looked into. But here's the bottom line. He knows it, I know it. He's doing it just to drive these people, people crazy, to have them come out. Because let me tell you something. This, this is vexillology, the study of flags. And we go berserk over the flag. People swear they died, they died for this flag. Not the Constitution, but the flag. Now, before we get all crazy, in the Johnson case, in the Eichmann case, and the Flag Desecration act, which is overturned in two five to four decisions, My dear friends, the only reason it was found unconstitutional to criminally prohibit this is because the numbers were off. Had those five been switched or if there's a new group, guess what? It's completely constitutional to prosecute somebody. There's nothing magical about these cases. Remember, Scalia may have thought this, but. But Sandra Day o', Connor, Windsor White, Rehnquist, they were dissenting. So this. You don't know what these people are going to do. Now, what do I think? Personally, of course. Do yourself a favor, go into the Flag act. It's Article 4, no. 4, USC Section 1, or anyway, it's kind of a. It's like the rules of decorum. It's not mandatory. And look at what you can and can't do. This may be a desecration under the act. You can't wear flags, flag lapel pins. Putting a flag on anything other than a military casket may be against the law. Having it at night, having it at night without a light, having it tattered, having it at anything less than a 90 degree angle. The rules. You can't believe the rules. Every 4th of July, when we celebrate the flag, we desecrate it with napkins and bandanas. And so we don't even. We don't. The people who are arguing about desecrating, they may not want to burn it. But if I were to basically use this as toilet paper, I mean, I think that. Well, speak using your arse comment, Natalie, which was filthy, by the way. Filthy. I loved it. But.

[B]

But I have American flag leggings, so I have worn the flag on my arse.

[E]

So. But listen, there is absolutely, positively, to me, this is freedom of speech. This is an expression. It goes without saying, but if five justices say, oh, no, it's not, that's it. And with this crew right here, I think a lot of people really, honestly, intuitively feel that this wonderful, this thing on a pole, that's a cloth, that's a flag. Flag. I think people would have no problem with this. I think it's ridiculous. But go back to what Trump is. He's a genius. He comes up with these things. Listen, this is a guy who goes into Washington, D.C. federalizes him hall, he's in the same city. He says, bring in murder, rates drop to zero. People are cloudy. Maureen Dowd is applauding this. What does he make the Democrats do? Basically argue against law and order. He's a genius.

[A]

You saw him all over. I mean, the mayor of Chicago was just on MSNBC this morning arguing against adding additional 5,000 cops to the streets. Because you know what? Crime is fine. I mean, it's madness. You're right, he is the ultimate troll. But you're a constitutional attorney, you're a constitutional expert, so this would have to be written into law by Congress. Right? So if I were to go out and Burn a flag. Are the police going to show up at the house other than if it like wildfire?

[E]

No, it works like this. Somebody says somebody burn a flag. Burn a flag. Everybody bring, bring it to us. This is, this would be the Supreme Court. Bring it to us because remember the Supreme Court you have to wait. They may be sitting there saying please, please bring us a fly case and nobody gets arrested or it never makes its way up. But the next time you see this happen, I promise you they're going to grant cert some guy somewhere maybe I hope some blue haired thing with studs or some illegal something is non obvious. It'll make its way through the courts. There'll be maybe a split decision where they, where the court has conflict jurisdiction and they take it up and they answer it in the affirmative that we have based upon and they'll listen. I can tell you right now they will give you the history. Alito will probably draft it and it will be the history of the flag and symbolism and this. And the times are changing and before you know it like that it becomes again legal to prosecute where it's not protected. Speech like that guaranteed. There's nothing magical. The Constitution is whatever it says. These folks gave you a Dred Scott, they gave you school, I mean Brownie Plessy against Ferguson. Separate but equal. Remember the same constitution gave you Dred Scott. The same constitution this, our country gave you the fugitive slave clause. There's nothing magical about us. We go through periods of schizophrenia where we might say you know what, this is different. It's whatever they say it is. We went from Roe against Wade being absolutely sacrosanct and Casey and then all of a sudden in Dobbs boom. And the next thing is remember I'm telling you this because I've been pretty good with this stuff. Remember somebody's going to bring a case involving there's going to be a case involving sodomy or some particular sex act and their Alito is waiting bring this because he's going to show you that there is no substantive due process guarantee regarding sodomy or a particular type of sex act. That's next. And they are waiting for the. Not that there's not that you can't allow that but that the Constitution will not protect it. Because remember what this would be saying was the justice would be saying there is no constitutional protection. If you were to burn. Now if you're in a state and you were to allow it, go ahead. If you wanted to disallow it, go ahead, leave it up to the states. But if you're asking us whether the federal government constitution prevents somebody from being prosecuted for exhibiting the ignition and the combustion of Old Glory as a form of process, of prostitution, of a protest, then in that particular case they'll say no, there is no protection under the federal constitution. Again, Montana, Colorado, Georgia, do whatever you want but don't look to us. That's what they said in the Dobbs case regarding abortion. They said we're not prohibiting abortion. We're not saying you can or can't have it. Just don't look to us. And what they'll do is it'll be a nice way of saying and this is where the conservative types love to say this. It's states rights. We're not making a statement one way or the other. We just don't think that the Constitution has any say in allowing. I mean after all, if the state of New York or Colorado wants to prohibit this and prosecute, far be it from us to interfere. Wink, wink. That means get them. So remember the Constitution, the feds aren't saying do it. They're just saying we're not going to intervene, we're not going to do anything to get in the way of it. Go ahead and do it. But personally speaking, it's obscene. Everybody watching, look at, read the flag, deck the flag statute and see how many times you see a flag at night, a bank that leaves it up tattered or and there's also, there's this magical rule that people think apply where you call a boy Scout to burn a flag if it hits the ground or what are you talking about? These magical, this land we live in where if it, if it, if you drop the flag, you've got to burn it and you call a boy scout. I don't know where this comes from but it's this old wives tale, this mythology. But Trump is a genius and he's going to remain steadfast and he's going to, and you know Fox News is going to go crazy. I mean can you imagine, like what do you think they're going to say? Sean Hannity, who has no room, he has every kind of lapel pin you can imagine. And remember there's an inverse proportionality between the size of the lapel pin and what they know about the law or history of the Constitution. So the bigger it is, the less they know.

[A]

That's a, they're overcompensating for that to be sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Lionel Grinstead.

[E]

Multiple countries. And when you see multiple countries, be on the lookout. Ukrainian look up Any other, any other combination of us, be on the lookout. You're putting you run, they're putting you on notice.

[B]

Sellout is what they say.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Okay, well, one more time, I want to wish you a very happy birthday and thank you for joining us.

[E]

Thank you very much. And to you in advance. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you very much. All right, thanks, Lyle. What does our flag say? What does our flag. What does our poll say?

[A]

Boys, we're going to get to our poll in a second. We'll go, we're going to answer our poll and look at that in a second. And we're also going to take some of your super chats, because Meat Puppet has some super chats here when we should be allowed to burn the flag. I like Zelata's comment here from Zaya. Ada from Canada says, if someone burned my f. True. It would be a tragedy, not a crime. F. Trudeau flag hanging up on the house. So we're gonna get to that. But first.

[B]

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[A]

I have it here.

[B]

Oh, Clayton has it.

[A]

So 2,000 of you. 200. Yeah. Two point. Excuse me. 2,200 of you have so, so far voted in our YouTube poll because rumble doesn't let us put up a poll. Poll. But there's way more of you watching on rumble. There's like 30,000 of you watching or 25,000 of you watching this on Rumble. So Rumble, please start adding polls to Rumble. That'd be awesome.

[B]

That'd be fun.

[A]

Yeah. Way more of you watch our show over on Rumble. So should you be allowed to burn the American flag? 65% of you said no, you should not be. Not be allowed to burn the American flag. 35% of you said, yes, you should be allowed to burn the American flag.

[B]

All right, you free speech absolutists.

[A]

I'm one of those weirdos with the flag. I'm not a weirdo. I just absolutely, like, I absolutely do not want it touching the ground. I don't want it. And because our new flag that we just got got like caught on a branch of the tree and it just. It just ripped today because of this windstorm. So I've got to go and buy a new flag today.

[B]

Yes, that must happen.

[A]

That really bothers me.

[G]

Is it based on material? Cuz, like, what's the difference between like, you know, like a shirt that's an American flag or an actual flag?

[E]

Like.

[D]

Well, that's what I was.

[G]

A flag form.

[B]

Yeah, good point.

[D]

And that's, that's what I was gonna.

[A]

Get at was, was of the people that say, no, you shouldn't be allowed to. In that poll, how many of them have like, American flag paper plates or napkins or, you know, like, how are they purists? Or is it just that one?

[D]

That one desecration.

[A]

But the others, how many of them.

[G]

Were like American flag tank tops and yank them off their body to jump in the lake and throw it on the ground?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, right. Like paper plates.

[B]

You're up to.

[A]

Well, this is. Yeah. Dave, David wears a. He has an American flag, like leotard that he wears when he does wrestling and stuff like that.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

But I have to like that jump.

[G]

To take it off so it doesn't touch the ground. Like, I have to get it down to my ankles and I have to jump in the air and pull it off really fast so that it doesn't touch.

[B]

That's respectful of you. I love it. Okay.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

I love it. What does our super chat say? Our super chat is from Meat Puppet says the only time we should be allowed to burn the flag is if you're going to retire it. Which is, actually, I think, in our official documents of how to retire a flag is that it can be burned again. I'm a free speech absolutist. I don't think that, you know, my mind goes to, what if your child was sent to a pointless war and you felt. Feel, and they died and you feel like you want to burn the flag? Like a grieving family should absolutely have the right to do that. I don't want anyone prosecuting grief. I don't want, you know, it means something different to someone else. And I think that that flag stands for our absolute freedom, which would include. I don't want to see it burned. But I. I think that the right to do that is. Is.

[G]

I think the right flying the flag upside down. It's like a. It's a sign of. Of distress or whatever that you're not happy with your government. So, like, are they going to say, well, now you can't fl. Upside down. You can't burn it. You can't. Like, where does it end?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Someone in the chat said, yeah, your feelings don't get to outweigh the Constitution, like, of free speech.

[B]

I'm with you. I'm with you on that. And I think that the court got it right. So anyhow. Okay, well, that's a. That's our show for the day. Thank you so much for joining us. Hey, I want to remind you, we have a newsletter. If you go to redacted.inc we write this as every day that the show comes out Monday through Thursday. Oh, and I don't understand that. Super chat, so thank you for that. Okay, I just try to click on.

[A]

Them so fast because they're flying through and I just clicked on a random one.

[B]

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[A]

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