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B (4:37)

Yeah, get your super chats Rumble rants. Any other chats in that you want? Any questions you have for today's guests, please drop them in the chat room here. We try to be as interactive as possible so let us know where you're joining us from. And by the way, in the chat room can you let us know who or Chris you know, because Christine's, Christine says you guys could have a question for us to vote on. Okay, so let's put a poll up. I guess we could do that on the, on YouTube. We can't do that on Rumble. Rumble doesn't have that feature. But tell us the gas prices where you live right now. Where across the country do you live? Where in the world do you live? Let us know what the petrol prices are, let us know what the gas prices are, because we're going to talk about the energy shock here in just a moment. So the energy shock is here. Thanks to the US Israel war against Iran and airline experts now warning that and more airlines, just like Spirit Airlines, could be collapsing in the next couple of weeks. Jet fuel shocks are now reverberating across the global air travel industry. Spirit admitted in court documents that jet fuel prices were one of the main catalysts to closing their doors and recent geopolitical events. They say even their customer service department, totally gone. People showing up for their flights, just gone. Spirit Airlines, sorry, your airline doesn't exist anymore. Just totally gone. Global airlines, according to the Kobisi letter, are canceling flights, an unprecedented pace. Airlines have cut 2 million seats, 12,000 flights worldwide from their May schedules over the last two weeks. Total available seats down to 130 million. That comes as jet fuel costs have doubled since the Iran war began, forcing carriers to cancel unprofitable routes, switch to smaller aircraft, raise ticket prices. So like big international flights still happening, but those smaller, just like puddle jump flights that people take and rely on over regular basis that are pretty unprofitable. Canceled. Canceled. Just look at the number, this chart from the Financial Times on the number of flights being canceled. Unbelievable. And you can see of course hitting Air China, Turkish Airlines and more the hardest. Meanwhile, gas prices across the United States skyrocketing. The CEO of Chevron just said it out loud yesterday that we're starting to see the supply crisis hitting some major economies already. Europe is already there, Asia is already there. And his biggest warning is about America. He basically said America is next. Watch.

C (6:57)

20% of the world's energy supply flows through the Strait of Hormuz. That's oil, that's liquefied natural gas. It's refined products goes to Europe and Asia primarily. And both of those regions are seeing the impact of having that much cut off. The US can't make up all of that supply. Inventories in the system are being drawn down and, and the supply situation is tightening. And that's, that's a.

B (7:23)

And you know, you Think about it. Lindsey Graham says. Meanwhile, Lindsey Graham says that Americans deserve higher gas prices because many doubted that Iran was gonna get a nuclear weapon. Almost like that. This is like your comeuppance because you just didn't believe the truth about Iran. So you guys deserve higher gas prices. He says either you're gonna pay it now or you're gonna pay it later when they nuke all of us with their nuclear weapons. Watch. This thing is over to the American people. I know gas prices are high and I know we're suffering right now, but

C (7:54)

you pay now or you pay later

B (7:55)

against thugs like Iran.

C (7:57)

They tried to get a nuclear weapon. And if you don't believe that, you shouldn't be allowed to drive in your hometown.

B (8:02)

Donald Trump stopped Iran from having eight to 10 nuclear weapons by bombing their enrichment facilities.

C (8:09)

God bless you, President Trump.

B (8:11)

We were weeks away from a nuclear armed Iran. No more.

C (8:14)

Everything has been obliterated.

B (8:16)

Their economy is in tatters. Their military has been decimated. More to do if we can control the straits. Checkmate against Iran blockade. Plus arm the people and to our

C (8:29)

allies throughout the world who depend on the Strait of Hormuz more than we do.

B (8:33)

Get off your ass and help us remember it was open.

A (8:38)

Who, who's us? I don't recall Lindsey Graham ever going to war or putting himself in any dangerous situation. He has bodyguards. So who exactly is us?

B (8:49)

I don't know. I mean, in Ukraine they have those trans soldiers. He could join up in Ukraine, you know. Go ahead, Philip.

C (8:56)

I just.

B (8:56)

So I just. Did he just suggest that we.

C (8:59)

We arm Iranians?

B (9:02)

Yeah. Are we doing that now? That's the next big piece of this, which is sending as many guns as we can to arm the Iranians. So it's all back to opening the Strait of Hormuz again. I'm seeing $7 a gallon in Toronto from our viewers. $7 in Toronto, 437 in Missouri, over

A (9:19)

7 for diesel in Michigan.

B (9:21)

$6 in Florida, 550 in Colorado. Hawaii, upwards of 5. I mean, yeah, all, you know, all across the board, skyrocketing. Brandon Weickert is the host of the Nats Tech Talk podcast on Rumble. Senior national security editor at 1945com, a must read website and a great friend of the show and a great analyst that we love to have on. Brandon, great to see you. Welcome back.

D (9:46)

Thank you for having me. I wish it was under better circumstances, but here we are.

B (9:51)

Well, if it were under better circumstances, we'd all be out of a job. I wish, actually, I Actually would love that.

A (9:57)

We'd go do something else.

B (9:58)

I would just hang out with my dog, for crying out loud. That's what I would do. But this is absolutely miserable. I mean, so what you're seeing now from this administration, you just heard Marco Rubio about 30 minutes ago, basically saying this is all about the strata, Hormuz. This is opening up. They're. Wait a minute. I thought the Strait of Hormuz was open weeks ago and now that's the whole focus of this. Are we talking about boots on the ground, ground forces in order to get this open?

D (10:23)

Well, I will tell you so I spent some time with the Air Force the last week at an undisclosed location. And it is very obvious. Nothing was said to me classified or any. Or any way. But it was very obvious, just looking at the. Some of what was happening on base, that we are ramping up the idea that we're going to sustain the cease fire or, you know, look for an off ramp. I, you know, it doesn't look like it to me. Just based on what I saw. We are in this for the long haul, what that looks like. I know that the last week the reporting was that the CENTCOM commander, Admiral Paparo, briefed Trump for 45 minutes in the White House on what was referred to as the final blow plan for the Iranian regime. I also know, based on what I have heard, that the U. S. Military has moved the last several weeks, very key assets into the region that are not just for naval interdiction of the kind we're seeing outside the Strait of Hormuz. It's not just for another potential air campaign. But I am, I'm hearing that we are moving the resources needed to support a ground force of at least 15,000 troops going into the the Iranian area in some way likely to do some kind of, you know, coastal strategy where we invade one of those islands that I was originally on this program several weeks ago talking to you about. I likened it to Gallipoli, which I still believe would be a Gallipoli like dis the US Marines and or army elements that would be deployed. But it is very obvious to me based on everything that I've heard and seen over the last week or so, that this war is just heating up on the American side.

B (12:23)

Wow, that's some breaking news.

A (12:25)

And again, so let's revisit that first conversation we had. To what end? We have one island and then what?

D (12:34)

Yeah, well, there is no end. This is, you know, strategic malpractice on an epic level by the White House. There is no end state to this conflict. Remember, this was the famous, you know, tell me how this ends. General Petraeus line in 2008, that they were. The Congress was begging for answers from General Petraeus on Iraq. This is the same question we have today. Tell me, Mr. President, how this ends. And Mr. President, unfortunately doesn't seem to have an answer that sa satisfactory for anybody, including himself. You know, on the one hand, he wants to arm the. The rebels in. In Iran, the mythical rebels. On the other hand, he's saying, we've won already. If we've won already, what are we still doing there? And then he talks about denuclearization that we supposedly obliterated last year, but they're back in action, I guess, in Iran. So we don't know what the end state is. And he talks frequently about regime change. This is never gone away, by the way, is this idea of regime change plus unconditional surrender in bold letters. We don't have an end state. Which is why if you have no end state, it doesn't really matter how you get there. You're just gonna keep going.

B (13:51)

Right? And so the idea that, well, that's not gonna happen. Regime change. But what is happening is, listen to any analyst right now about where they see this economy going, the global economy heading for a global depression maybe over the next two to four weeks, especially if the Strait of Hormuz continues to remain closed. And even if it does open magically in the next, like 10 minutes, the reverberations are going to be felt across the global economy. Can you speak to that?

D (14:16)

Yes, it's already. We now will, no matter what, have some form of a recession at this point. Even if the Strait of Hormuz magically, as you properly put it, reopened in the next 10 minutes, the shortages are already baked now into the cake. Now, I did speak with some pretty savvy financial people down in Naples, Florida. I live near Naples, so I have a lot of contacts down there, the investment community there. And they assured me that, don't worry, it's a lot of this is already priced in. But then when I brought up the fact that what happens if the straight doesn't reopen in any meaningful way in the next three weeks, what happens then? Well, then, you know, they don't want to address that because to them, the President, he's an economics guy, he understands. I don't think the President does. If I can just speak honestly, I don't think the President understands this at all. Which is why the war has gone for what, 11 weeks now with no end in sight. I believe fully that we are already going to have a recession, either now or in the next several months because of the shortages that are already going to occur. The question is how deep and how fast and how hard will that hit us? I think right now it's a mild recession. I think in the next three weeks, if we don't reopen the straight and get things back to relative normal, it will be a much deeper and longer recession. It will look a lot like the two. That will feel a lot like the 2008 financial crisis, and I think it'll also look a lot like the worst aspects of the COVID recession, when we forcibly shut everything down, which also happened, by the way, under Trump's term, his leadership, the last time. So we've been through this before with this president, and we know that it doesn't really end well, unfortunately, for the economy, and it will have deep political reverberations for the president and his party. It will not end well for the gop. I think at this point, the Democrats are assured majorities, definitely in the House. I suspect they'll get the Senate. And once that happens, you know, the president's basically a lame duck president at that point.

A (16:24)

Or possibly facing impeachment.

D (16:26)

Definitely facing impeachment.

A (16:28)

Right.

D (16:28)

No, I, I've spoken to several Democrats. You know, for whatever reason, I've maintained relationships with the Democrats over the years. I'm not a Democrat, but they do confide certain things to me when we're communicating. It looks like they've got a pretty comprehensive collapse strategy for the administration. As one of my, my colleagues, former colleagues from the Hill, said, all they need is the majorities, and they begin immediately.

B (16:57)

Game over.

D (16:57)

So, yeah, game over.

A (16:58)

You think both houses will outlier?

D (17:02)

I'm in the outlier. Most professionals are saying, no, he'll get that. They'll get the House, but not the Senate. I think they're going to get both.

A (17:08)

Mm.

B (17:10)

Look at these gas prices. So go ahead.

A (17:13)

I just have very little confidence in Democrats to do something like that because they're so feckless.

D (17:20)

Well, whether they can actually get rid of, Remove Trump from office, I don't know. But, but, but I do believe the investigations and recession and impeachment trial alone will be much more damaging this time around than it was the first time. You know, in the first term, the Democrats had nothing on Trump. Whatever people thought about Trump, he didn't really break the law. He didn't do anything that was really catastrophic until the end with COVID but now there's real, there's real problems he and Hegseth and some of his top advisers are facing. In fact, what I've hear is the first target the Democrats are going to really go hard for is Hegseth. They are assessing that Trump will throw Hegseth to the wolves, which he will. But that will only begin a snowball effect for the Democrats to continue, you know, coring their way into the administration with investigations and. Investigations.

B (18:16)

Yeah, I mean, Brandon, right now in Polymarket, there's literally a front page question as to how, how long until Pete Hegseth is thrown out of office or,

D (18:24)

you know, it's going to be as soon as the Democrats get their majorities. I think, I think Trump's going to feed him to the wolves. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think poor Pete understands what he's being set up for. This is why I've been saying he should not be speaking any more publicly, but apparently he's committed to this, so he is.

B (18:40)

In fact, just a few minutes ago, Pete Hegseth talking about how the Strait of Hormuz is a direct gift from the US to the world, that we've established a powerful red, white and blue dome over the Strait of Hormuz. Watch. As a direct gift from the United States to the world, we have established a powerful red, white and blue dome over the strait. American destroyers are on station supported by hundreds of fighter jets, helicopters, drones and surveillance aircraft, providing 24, 7 overwatch for peaceful commercial vessels.

A (19:15)

Do you feel, I mean, really, you shouldn't have.

B (19:17)

Thank you so much.

D (19:19)

Manipe strikes again.

B (19:21)

Yeah, I mean, what, what are we talking about here? We're like an abusive spouse. We're like, what. Look what you made us do.

D (19:29)

I think, I think it's important to note also because I have actually a report on this pending@1945.com. I might have already gone up this, this afternoon, I don't know, but in the next 24 hours, it'll be available for sure. But basically, I broke down what happened over the weekend with the alleged Iranian attack on the container ships in the Strait of Hormuz that prompted the US Navy to deploy those Seahawk helicopters and the army deploying the Apaches into the Strait to basically destroy those six or seven Iranian speedboats. The key thing to understand here is that we are now having to use helicopters rather than our traditional air defense systems because we're depleting our more expensive, exquisite systems at such a rapid rate. We're now having to kind of Shift now. I think this is a smart move because it's cheaper to use those other systems from the helicopters. But the point is, is that even if we destroy all of Iran's cigarette boats, you know, these ridiculous, you know, small speedboats, the fact of the matter is we are running through our supplies of critical defensive stockpiles much faster than the, much faster than the Iranians are going through their systems. So even when they lose these little ships in Iran, which I believe they did, it's still not a loss for them. They're still getting us to expend very finite resources and we're still not really opening the strait. I mean, the strait remains closed. Lloyds of London Insurance is not going to, you know, ensure ships passing through because it's still too risky. And ultimately, you know, we're, we're going to be in a position where even if we do destroy these Iranian systems, those systems are so small and cheap compared to what we're using against them, it's still a win for the Iranians because we're expending these critical stockpiles of which we have very few remaining.

A (21:37)

I want to ask about the propaganda because President Trump and his cabinet are continuously saying we needed to have paid these bigger prices in gas. It was a necessity. You really want this? Even though you didn't know you want this, you want this. And then if and when the war starts back up, Iran is so weak, they're not expecting it. I mean, they were expecting it when we hit them on February 28. The little girls weren't, but Iranian officials were. They've been ready for this for decades. So I see some people in our chat being like, yeah, they're decimated. They were evil. They're the worst. It's so dumb to believe what the administration is saying right now. I can't believe that dumb people like that are here in the redacted chat. Can you at least address anyone who is believing the government propaganda about those things right now? Please, people in the chat, stop being dumb.

D (22:31)

Well, we, we have destroyed a lot of stuff and not all of it was military, as you rightly noted. But as we proved in Vietnam, where we ran 5.29 million sorties, the Air Force did over 10 years in Vietnam. You can blow up a lot of stuff, military and non military like, and still not achieve victory. And that's the kind of war we're in right now. So I have no doubt that we killed a lot of leaders. I have no doubt that we've degraded certain capabilities in Iran but have we taken out the core leadership? Have we gotten rid of the Islamic Republic itself? Absolutely not. Are we going to. Absolutely not. In fact, the Islamic Republic has implemented a counterattack strategy that is very effective and actually far more dangerous to us because of these economic, you know, impacts. We're start only starting to feel now the, the Iranian regime is, is going to survive this thing. We don't have the forces to take them out. We don't have the forces even to get rid of all their missiles. And that, by the way, forget about the nuclear weapons threat. The real threat that Iran posed the region was in these ballistic missile drone and hypersonic weapons swarms that they have really built up, up for many years, decades even. The US Intelligence community had to, a week or so ago, go back and change their original claims, claims that Pete Hegseth was making. We did not destroy anywhere near as many of those missile launchers as we believed. In fact, the intelligence community corrected this publicly and said we were wrong by at least 50%. So the Iranians have retained a capability that we have yet to be able to stop. And it's their primary threat to the region, which is those missile launch capabilities in these underground missile cities. So, you know, whatever we've destroyed or haven't destroyed, in my opinion, is irrelevant. What's key here is combat effectiveness and survivability of the regime, both of which remain relatively intact. And they're, they are going to be able to hang on much longer, in my opinion, than when what we're going to be able to do is the minute these economic impacts are really felt, really felt, both in the United States and around the world, that's when reality hits the leadership in Washington and you can't hide behind the curtains of the proposed ballroom much longer.

B (25:05)

Then I guess a final question on this. Do you think that you mentioned three weeks from the folks you've been, financial folks you've been speaking to down there in Naples and otherwise. Do you believe that's really the kind of the target date for when we, we will really start to feel the pinch, maybe in the United States. Europe's already feeling it, Asia's already fully aware of it. Is that when it hits here?

D (25:24)

Yeah, I think in the next three weeks, if this thing, if the straits don't re, if the Strait of Hormuz doesn't reopen, I think you're going to feel some kind of impacts here. It's important to understand. I know we talk about it, but you want to keep bringing it up because it's very important. It isn't just natural gas and oil that we're being cut off from. It's fertilizer during the planting season. So something like 70% of farmers cannot plant the normal level of crops that they have to plant. That will be felt for much longer than just the immediate term. It's also the, the AI revolution. Whether you like it or not, the AI bubble is the reason the economy is sustaining itself. And that AI bubble is now at risk of being popped prematurely because of all of the helium shortages coming out of the read or not coming out of the region. And without those that helium access, you have absolutely no ability to build, to build those data centers. I'm hearing something. Someone I'm talking to build those data centers, to maintain those semiconductors, the production of them. And I'll just add one more thing about helium. In 2024, President Joe Biden sold the strategic helium reserve to a German based firm called Messer LLC. And this company, according to the U.S. house of Representatives Committee on Oversight, this company has a lot of exposure to the Chinese Communist party and in China itself. So in effect, the Biden administration sold off our strategic helium reserve to the Chinese who are now taking that helium and they're basically, they're sustaining themselves in terms of their technology boom. Much better in some ways than even we're going to be able to because we've lost access to, to so much helium.

A (27:16)

All right. For some, isn't it?

B (27:18)

Yeah. Unbelievable.

A (27:19)

Good for them.

C (27:20)

That's great.

A (27:21)

Happy forum.

B (27:23)

Brandon, great to see you. Where can people read your your website again and people get your latest reports?

D (27:29)

Well, 1945.com is where you'll get daily doses of me nat sec talk on rumble. I'm also natsec guy at emerald tv and right now that's that's pretty much it. But maybe I'll be elsewhere soon too. But those are. And he the Brandon on Twitter X.

B (27:47)

Wonderful. Brandon, great to see you as always. Thank you so much. Thank you. Talk to you soon.

A (27:52)

All right. I want to apologize to our chat. I didn't mean all of you were being dumb. I'm saying that I see bots in there saying we're destroying them, we're winning. They had a nuclear bomb. You see them too. They are few and far between. But you know, we gotta get rid of. Get out here if you believe that shit.

B (28:09)

No, most of our chat is very, very smart.

A (28:11)

Yeah, most of you are not. Thank you for being here and thank you for your contribution. We learned from YouTube and thank you

B (28:15)

thanks to the tens of thousands of you watching. Yeah, most of our audience has shifted to Rumble now and actually X. So free speech platforms. So thank you to the thousands of you that watch us on Rumble. Thanks to the thousands of you that hang out with us still on YouTube and X and Twitch and all of the other platforms. And we're of course broadcast as well on Beck Television as well. So thanks to all of you for that. And yeah, of course you're going to get the bots. That's still, still part of the pro. That's still part of the Hasbara pro process. Yeah, that's how it works. All right, we got more news to get to today. We're going to talk about these SSRIs. Obviously one of the most damaging medications in the world. And why now? Forget doctors prescribing them. What about AI Just jump onto a chatbot just like you're, I don't know, ordering some Ozempic or something like that and just have a chatbot order it for you. Get your antidepressants delivered right to your door. That's exactly what's happening right now. As part of a trial program, AI can deliver your SSRIs. We're going to talk about that. And we're also going to talk about the MK Ultra hearing in Congress, the mind control hearings finally being addressed by members of Congress. Will it be a dog and pony show or will we learn anything for real? We're going to speak to a CIA whistleblower on that. But first, look, modern life is rough on your body. Processed foods, stress, late night, you know, environmental junk, all of it. And your liver is the organ working overtime to filter all of that out. It performs 500 plus functions every single day, from digestion, energy production to fat metabolism and vitamin storage. That's why you've got to give dose a shot for your liver. It's a clinically backed liver health supplement. But it's not another capsule or powder. It's a daily 2 ounce liquid shot that tastes like fresh squeezed orange juice. Zero sugar, zero junk, zero calories. Dose helps cleanse the liver of unwanted stressors. It promotes daily liver function. It can help reduce sluggishness, support metabolism and aid daily digestion. Here it is, just comes in a bottle like that. Get the little shot glass out that it comes with and it actually even ships with like a little metallic shot glass poured in there. And do it twice a day to support liver function. Give it a shot and learn more about it. Ready to give your liver the support it deserves. Head over to dosedaily co it's right there on your screen. Dosedaily co redacted or enter redacted to get 35% off your first subscription. Your body does so much for you. Let's do something for it. That's dosedaily-o s e d a I l y.co redacted for 35% off off your first month's subscription. Is the chat room. Has it. Have they forgiven you?

A (30:59)

Yes, I think so. We made up.

B (31:01)

Okay.

A (31:01)

Yeah, we worked it out, didn't we?

B (31:04)

All right. That's good.

A (31:05)

Yeah.

B (31:06)

Feel good?

A (31:06)

I do.

B (31:07)

Okay.

A (31:07)

See, I can apologize. That was actually Eve's fortune cookie last night is Never be afraid to say you're sorry.

B (31:15)

Wow. Good. You're learning a lesson.

A (31:18)

Yes.

C (31:19)

See?

B (31:19)

Wow. I took it to heart many years.

A (31:23)

Even though it was Eve's fortune cookie.

B (31:24)

Took many, many years.

A (31:26)

Love it.

B (31:27)

Well, forget doctors over prescribing antidepressants or SSRIs. How about AI chatbots can now do it? And here is a new report out about AI Chatbots prescribing psychiatric medications, raising some big red flags. A Utah pilot pilot program will allow an AI powered system to authorize prescription refills for select psychiatric medications. Don't have to worry about a doctor anymore. An AI chatbot can just tell you, hey, you seem depressed. We should just fill that prescription for you. Dr. Joseph Daring is a former FDA medical officer and the founder of the Taper Clinic. And doctor was a great guest on our show a few months ago when we talked about all about the. Just how demonic and dark and damaging SSRIs are. And of course, your Taper Clinic helps people get off of these SSRIs. So, Doctor, great to see you again. When you hear a story about AI chatbots now being able to prescribe this stuff, what do you think about.

E (32:33)

Makes me want to vomit. You know, it's so disturbing. It really throws me off. But firstly, Clayton and Natalie, thank you so much for having me back. This is the worst of American health care happening right now. Now, some people are going to look at this and say, well, AI chatbots prescribing antidepressants, and they're going to want to see the rosy side. And that's how they pitch this. They say it's going to increase access to care, it's going to be cheaper. But the problem with that is that it's just bad care. It's nice if you have better access to care for something that works, and it's cheaper to get that. But this simply does not work. So what is essentially going to happen with this pilot program from Legion Health in my backyard here in Utah is that once an antidepressant is started by a doctor, it can essentially just be continued by an AI. You know, someone can pay $20 a month to essentially keep on getting that prescription refilled and essentially receive no help to find non drug solutions for their mental health. And they're going to end up essentially just addicted to this drug, which will wear off over time, as we know, and it's going to be a huge problem. And really the other thing that's very interesting here is it is front page news since yesterday that we are over prescribing antidepressants. Bobby Kennedy was recently talking about how HHS has to step in because the American Psychiatric association and other medical leaders right now are doing such a poor job at reining in the over prescription. And so, so this AI kind of prescribing, indiscriminate prescribing and refilling of antidepressant medications, without a doubt it is going to make the mental health of Americans worse.

A (34:34)

Right. And so, I mean, the way they're presenting it is it's just a continuation of what a real doctor has already prescribed. But this opens the door towards AI based care that can start the prescriptions. Also, AI is not focused on weaning anybody off of these drugs. And so you can see that this is a slippery slope that will lead us to increased use of what we have not fully studied but seems to indicate to be dangerous.

E (35:08)

Yeah, absolutely, Natalie, this is going to be a slippery slope and we have to be really discriminating about where we use AI. Like for instance, you know, having AI maybe assist an emergency room doctor in looking up a, you know, urine culture where there was a bacteria there and then suggesting a, an antibiotic that might be a good fit because we know that, you know, certain bacteria just respond to certain antidepressants. But when we start veering off into mental health conditions where, you know, depression is not a serotonin deficiency to be fixed by some Lexapro or some Prozac, you know, depression is due to relationship problems, problems with meaning and purpose, poor physical health, substance use. I mean, it is very complicated. And the other issue is mental health in the US is not ready to be scaled in this way. Like right now, just the doctors doing this work on their own. They're actually doing a pretty poor job at looking after mental health right now because we see patients in these 15 minute transactional visits, we have no time to help them on any of the non drug approaches to address those various things that I just mentioned just a moment ago. And they're just prescribing meds. And so making an AI bot do this, it's just pouring gasoline on a fire. AI should be used to help make systems that already work more efficient. But when you have a system that's not working right now, pouring AI to that is, it's just gonna, it's gonna be a dumpster fire.

B (36:51)

What if I played devil's advocate? What if we roleplay this a little bit, Doctor? Because as you and I talked before, these doctors, I mean they're getting all sorts of like incentives to be prescribing this. They're really not even looking at the underlying causes of some of this depression, whether it's bad diet, on and on and on. Right? So what if AI is the solution to all of these doctors that have massively over prescribed? What if AI is like a firewall and it's like eh, no, you need to go out and get some vitamin D. You actually don't need this Lexapro. And someone's sitting there saying wait a second, chatgpt. Yes, I do want my Lexa Pro. Sorry, you need to go out and get some sun. Oh, and by the way, stop eating all that processed food and stop taking all of those hormone replacements. I'm playing devil's advocate here. I'm trying to be glass half full, but could it be that this might actually be the wall to stop this?

E (37:51)

Let me react to that, Clayton, because I do think it's important to look at it in that way. But if this AI was like a maha AI trained on all of these non drug approach approaches, absolutely, for sure. But AI is only as good as the data that goes into it. And right now the American Psychiatric association is so far off the rails when it comes to guiding the doctors in this country on how to help people with mental health problems that it's going to be trained on that right now in the guidelines they're recommending antidepressants as a first line treatment for anxiety and depression. These are drugs that haven't been studied longer than a year. They wear off over time, they make some people sick, they cause sicker over time. And so I think, you know, yeah, AI is only as good as the, as the data on which it's trained off. So maybe in the future we, you know, it could be really helpful. But right now I think it's, it's not going to be.

B (38:50)

That's a great point. It's only, it's garbage in, garbage out. It's only as good as the programming. And if the, if Big Pharma, frankly, is writing the code that goes into these chatbots, they're going to be benefiting themselves. Could you just talk to our audience about how detrimental SSRIs actually are?

E (39:10)

Yeah. So. Well, let's talk about these drugs. I think the most important thing to understand about them is how they work and what they do, because that's the difference in it being something very detrimental and it being something that could actually be helpful for someone. So there's been this big narrative that these drugs are like diabetes for insulin and they fix a chemical imbalance, that is a lie. And when you take a drug in that way, believing that it is simply going to fix your problems, your relationship problems, your work problems, you know, this chemical imbalance in the brain, it is simply not true. And it takes you down a bad path. If you look at an SSRI for what it is as essentially a chemical that can numb your emotions, constrict your emotional range, you understand that it really is like taking Tylenol for an injury. And you can. And when you do that, you can use it with a lot more responsibility. So the problem is right now, 80% of these drugs are being given out by family medicine Doctors who spend seven minutes of FaceTime with their patients that they come in, they fill out a questionnaire on depression, and then they just, they give them the drugs and they just sail off into the distance and they maybe see them two or three times a year. This is a problem because they are not getting to the underlying reason why they are depressed and they're getting put on a drug that's going to wear off over time and can potentially make them worse. So that's why they become so dangerous. They become so dangerous because they're packaged in this lie that all you need to do for your mental health is take the this drug when in fact that's not the case and the drug wears off over time and you can end up worse off in the long run. And so the place for antidepressants really is in very short term, very acute distress. Yes, you can take it, but you should always take it with a plan to come off. And the issue right now in America is many doctors, they just kind of passively prescribe it because it's too complicated to work with patients to find the non drug solutions to their mental health.

A (41:14)

Yeah, well, thank you so much for that assessment. And yeah, it's something we need to look out for, especially as parents. I feel like they're constantly pushing it on our children. This idea that life's too hard, you can't handle it, you don't have the tools to handle it. You know, it's. It's a constant breakdown of what is normal coping mechanisms, which is family health, you know, accomplishment, that kind of thing. So it's great to hear your assessment of it, your professional assessment. So thank you so much for joining us.

E (41:45)

Yeah, thank you, Natalie. Great to see you again, Clayton.

B (41:48)

Thanks, doctor. Great to see you as well. Fascinating. Yeah. It brings up a great point, certainly, about the AI you know, I was just playing devil's advocate there, but this idea that, yeah, it's the programming that goes into it, and when you have, literally, Big Pharma. Right. Helping to provide the code.

C (42:03)

Well, my. My curiosity is, in an ideal world, I mean, I haven't really been to

B (42:10)

a psychiatrist in a long time, so maybe it's changed. But if they give you a medication

C (42:14)

like that, isn't there a lot of

E (42:16)

checking in to see how it's reacting?

B (42:18)

Because I know a side effect of a lot of these things, like suicidal

C (42:21)

ideation, is a common.

B (42:24)

And so is the AI bot gonna pick up on that, or is it just like, huh, that's weird. Here you go. Right? Yeah. Checking in on the AI Chatbot's gonna check in on you. Like, hey, you having any suicidal thoughts? Are you thinking about, you know, changing your gender? You know, are you thinking about anything weird?

A (42:45)

What you're getting at is, what are the safety. What are the guards in place so that, you know, okay, you are having suicidal ideation. That's a known side effect of this. Here's your refill. You know, it should then reject that and say, you need to go back and see a human. Would that be in place? Who knows? Knows. Although, you know, we've used AI to ask, like, will this. Should we. If we have a sick child, you know, will this do well with this medication? If, you know.

E (43:13)

Yeah.

A (43:14)

And oftentimes it always says, do not give them a Tylenol pm. And Clayton always wants to take a Tylenol P. What? Clayton loves to, you know, oh, I'm sick.

B (43:24)

I want to be knocked out.

A (43:25)

Yeah, he wants to be. And I'm like, AI Says you shouldn't do it, and he's like, I want it. So you're asking a good question here. Yeah. I mean, who doesn't want me? Well, very rarely.

B (43:38)

Okay. Hey, we got more news to get to here. On the show. And we have a guest standing by, one of our great guests. I'm very excited to talk with him in moments about this MK Ultra hearing that Representative Luna, of course, is now going to hold in front of Congress. Will it be one big dog and pony show, or will we actually get some answers about the historical nature of MK Ultra and how it's continuing to this day with even far more sophisticated directed energy, weapons and control? We're going to talk about that in a moment. We will indeed. Just want to check in, make sure everything's good in the chat room. You guys all good?

A (44:09)

They're good.

B (44:09)

They said we made up. You said you guys made up. I'm happy about that.

A (44:12)

With a chat room.

B (44:13)

Yeah. Okay, I will. All right, but first, first, let me see. Sorry, sorry.

A (44:25)

Well, why don't you tell everyone about Lear?

B (44:27)

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A (46:39)

That's okay. I'm ready to talk.

B (46:40)

Oh, yeah, go ahead.

A (46:41)

Take a break.

B (46:42)

Thank you.

A (46:42)

Okay, take a breath. Have a seltzer.

B (46:45)

I will have a seltzer.

A (46:46)

Okay, you do that.

B (46:46)

A lemon seltzer. Water.

A (46:48)

Here we go. Well, Congress will hold a hearing about MK Ultra next week. Representative Luna announced this recently. Now, she has a reputation for looking into old conspiracies that turned out to be true and watering them down. So let's lower our expectations of what will happen in a congressional hearing. Recall her big revelations about JFK assassination. But still, this is the government acknowledging that MK ULTRA is real. As a reminder, MK ULTRA was a covert CIA program that ran for decades. It was focused on mind control, behavior modification, and interrogation techniques with experimental drugs like lsd, sensory deprivation, hypnosis. It was often conducted without the consent or knowledge of the people involved. Now, I'm talking about it as if it's past tense. We all know it's really not, and we're going to get to that. But a lot of the program still remains quite murky because the CIA destroyed large portions of the records in the 70s. What we do know came out of congressional investigations, whistleblowers, and surviving documents. So, yes, this is a conspiracy that turns out to be real. What we will learn from Congress, I have tepid expectations for. So what will we learn? Well, Kevin Shipp joins us. He is a CIA whistleblower. He's the author of Twilight of the Shadow Government, How Transparency Will Kill the Deep, Deep State. He has been talking about government programs like this for decades, for years now. So, thank you for joining us.

C (48:28)

Hi, Clayton. Hi, Natalie. Thanks for having me.

A (48:31)

Great to see you. So what do you think that we could learn about MK Ultra? And why do you think the government is admitting this now?

C (48:42)

Well, Anna Paulina Luna started the process, as you said. So? Well, starting to examine some of these conspiracy theories. So hats off to that. But as usual, it's almost impossible to go deep into a CI Special Access program like MK ULTRA was. And of course they claim that the the program was ended in 1973. So why are they bringing it up 50 years later? I. I think it may be attempt by Congresswoman Luna to look into this. I hope so and I hope they have the courage to dig deeply. We know that during MK Ultra at least 10,000 docum destroyed that we know of. The CIA claimed to end the program in 1973, they claimed to end it. There was no evidence ever that they actually did. And Victor Marchetti, author of the CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, which was a very accurate title, Marshetti said in his view, they continued the program just under another cover name. Now we have to understand that the same dark system of secrecy that the CIA has been functioning in since its creation in 1947, that same system of deeply layered special access programs still remains today. It hasn't changed. The CIA has never been reformed. Even the oversight committees, quote unquote, that are supposed to be reforming the CIA have done nothing. As a matter of fact, the oversight committees meet once a year less than any other committee. They're more concerned about the re election than they are about digging into the CIA and risking their careers. Like Frank Church did. He was threatened and he lost his career. And the oversight committees have to sign a CIA secrecy agreement which threatens them with prison if if they divulge anything. They tried that with me as a weapon instead of its real intent. So we have to understand the system, the matrix of secrecy, that the secret that the CIA still has and still operates in, it has a bloody and deceitful track record, one of which is MKUltra. We also have to understand too with Operation Paperclip Clip, Alan Dulles falsified the files of Nazi war criminal scientists, scrubbed them and gave them to Truman so he would approve them. Some of those scientists came in, were hired by the CIA and used by the CIA for guess what programs. MK Ultra for starters. These are scientists that had done mind control experiments on men, women and Jewish children. One of the most deceitful and despicable things that could have been done. Has the CIA changed its mode of operation, Operation with no morals and and basically will do anything necessary to gain intelligence? Absolutely not. I was in there. I saw that personally. Can we believe the CIA has terminated this program? No, we cannot. Can we reach a conclusion that perhaps they continued under a different Special Access program, something similar to MK Ultra in. And I know they still have a behavioral science unit, by the way. Would they continue with something like this under a new special access program? I think we could conclude based on their, their deceitful and bloody track record, that they would. Now, I have interviewed the daughter of John Warner, who was Richard Helms, the DCI at the time. John Warner was the, was the legal counsel, the general counsel for Richard Helms, trying to protect him from lawsuits and trying to protect him from perjury charges and other things. And Carol told me that her dad resigned from the CIA Office of General Counsel, which is a powerful position and many times complicit with what the CIA does. She said her dad got so disgusted with what Richard Helms was doing, including MK Ultra, that he literally resigned from the CI and left his position. Carol has told me in an interview that she has had several patients that she has counseled with that exhibit, MK Ultra like damages. Mental, psycho, mental damages. And she is convinced they're linked to MK Ultra. And that is today. We're doing a documentary on that in the next few months and getting that in more detail. So. So can we conclude that MK Ultra exists today? Well, based on the CIA system of secrecy, it's gross abuse of power and unaccountability through plausible liability and these things. Can we conclude that they would do this? Of course they would. There is no indication that they've changed anything in their system and anything regarding their use of special access programs and anything regarding human rights or ethics and human life is cheap, as we all know, with the CIA. So could MK ULTRA be continuing today in a different form? I would say yes. We could conclude that just based on some of their past performances and how

B (53:29)

they operate and operating outside of the CIA through NGOs and other facilities now, rather than just being in the CIA umbrella. I just spoke this morning. It was unbelievable to an MK Ultra whistleblower. That interview is going to be coming out very, very soon. And, and some of the things that he told me were absolutely jaw dropping in the experiments on children. Just absolutely horrifying things. And as it's continuing, his biggest concern about this hearing that is upcoming is that, yes, it will be basically like a dog and pony show. And one of his biggest concerns is that there will be sabotage. That in the same way, like the book Mirage Men where you have individuals purposely trying to sabotage these hearings by putting in false information in order to color the entire thing. Are you worried about that as well?

C (54:25)

Absolutely. And I don't want to be pessimistic But I don't think that these hearings are going anywhere based on what I know of how the CIA operates and conceals information from Congress. And these people will not have the CIA clearances that will be required for some of these special access programs. So they're never going to see those. Now we have to remember you made a good great point, Clayton, about the CIA using cutouts in MK Ultra. The CI used 81 different institutions. There were universities, there were hospitals and big pharma to do their dirty work and their research. And none of these universities knew that they were working for the CIA. We saw something recently very similar with COVID We know now that the CIA was instrumental in developing with Johns Hopkins University the COVID lockdowns and rollout propaganda program. I don't know if Johns Hopkins knows they were involved. Well, they do now, but. So the CIA continues using universities as cutouts without their knowledge. So we know they're still doing that.

B (55:24)

Wow, that's unbelievable. 81 of them and they don't even know that they're working for the CIA. They're just carrying out these operations and experiments. Unbelievable.

A (55:33)

Now, something you've talked about a lot is directed energy weapons because you have felt like your family was targeted by directed energy weapons. Weapons. You detail this in your book. Yesterday was May 4th, so you know, Star Wars Day. People are thinking about directed energy using the Force and so on. And then the US government put this out saying directed energy weapons are a fine addition to our arsenal. May the fourth be with you. And I felt like, wait, they're, they're just saying that they do it now because that used to be a conspiracy. I mean, we know that it's a thing, but how did you feel seeing that?

C (56:15)

Well, it was pretty astounding. We know, we know that we were put into. I blew the whistle, as you guys know, on a, on a CIA cover up without the CIA knowing. And I worked with Department of State ig, who publicly rebuked the CIA for covering this thing up. So I was targeted from that and as the book goes on and want to go into detail, but I was targeted. We were placed in a contaminated, badly contaminated house. The CIA knew it was contaminated and the family got physically ill. But the strange part, especially with my oldest son, was a dramatic, almost within a day or two change, personality change. He, he was diagnosed clinically, and I have that in the book, with a severe ptsd, which essentially ruined his ability to work and his financial life. And he disappeared, matter of fact, for the last two years. I didn't know where he was. Well, we're now in contact and I have found them, which, which is wonderful. But there's no doubt about the fact that we were hit with something. My, my wife at the time was bedridden, she was on morphine. She completely lost her short term memory, is having headaches so severe they had, as I mentioned, they had her on morphine. We had a CAT scan done without the CI knowing it. There was no indication of any tumor or any brain anomalies. So we were hit hard with something. There's no question about that.

B (57:35)

That.

C (57:36)

And would the CIA do it? Well, we all know, of course they would. And, and why has the CIA been so resistant in acknowledging the existence of directed energy weapons? They haven't said they don't have them, they just said that, well, the Havana Syndrome is something that we think is just in these officers heads. We don't take it seriously. But they didn't come out and say they didn't exist and they didn't come out and say they weren't using them. Once again, here we go. CIA lying like a serpent to the, to the people again. So they exist. Something hit us and hit us badly. Almost ended the life of my oldest son and my former wife who still is recovering today. So yes, I think they do exist.

B (58:19)

I just want to say, so glad you've. Yeah, we just learned, and we just learned that, that your son, your son Joey. So you've been able to find him. That's unbelievable. So you know, congratulations on that. That was.

C (58:32)

Thank you.

B (58:33)

Must have been absolutely horrible. Vulnerable for you. And you talk about, of course in the book, these directed energy weapons again speaking to different MK Ultra whistleblowers who were in the program. And they were paid through facilities with the CIA to carry out these programs. And when they were starting to blow the whistle on this, they were hit with directed energy weapons as well. To the point where walking down the street hit enormous headaches, vomiting on the ground, to the point where their, their minds haven't worked properly since, as they've described it to me. And you hear this across the board, is that similar to what you experienced?

C (59:10)

Yes, we had, all of us, including my younger children had severe headaches. My wife's headaches were so bad they had to put her on morphine as I mentioned. And we would be sitting there and all of a sudden both of us hit this. And my current wife never recovered and she's so afraid of the CIA. I'm asking her to come out and give an interview, but she's too afraid to do that yet. My current wife and I, she, she, we've been followed. We've had people sitting outside our window watching us. Even these, these years later, she and I were sitting in the living room one day and boom, all of a sudden we both at the same time went into this deep depression for no reason. And we're, we're very happy, happy couple on an off grid farm. And it lasted two full days. We were like, what the heck is this? And boom, it was gone. So they will use these on people that they think are a threat. We know they monitor the emails of whistleblowers. John Brennan was caught doing that. And so yes, severe headaches are one of the indications of some sort of energy weapon hitting our brain, which is, which is basically a complex energy circuit. And that is one of the symptoms of severe headache headaches, mental confusion, a loss of memory and things like that, which I'm sure some of these targeted people have experienced.

B (60:30)

It is so vast and so large. And one of the concerns about MK Ultra is the Manchurian candidates. I know it sounds like a movie, but it's real. And according to the sources we've spoken to, and I'm sure you can confirm this, there are these Manchurian controlled candidates that are basically running large portions of our government. They're involved at the highest levels of places like Lockheed and Boeing and other places and in our government who have had, have gone through and have been mind controlled and who are operationally controlled through this program. Would you confirm that?

C (61:03)

Yes, I would say that. So I was trained in the CIA with a master's level degree on forensic psychophysiology and control and manipulation of the human mind. I have since recovered, by the way, since I became a whistleblower. But they absolutely were.

D (61:17)

Would.

C (61:18)

The CIA has no morals, it has no values. As I mentioned earlier, human life is cheap and they have the tools to do this. So would they do it? Yes, they would. Are they doing it? I think they are.

A (61:27)

And is there a variety of use cases for something like this to hurt someone they want to hurt and also optimize? I'm thinking obviously of Jason Bourne, you

B (61:39)

know, blackmail operations, honeypot operations, trafficking operations.

C (61:45)

Absolutely.

A (61:45)

Yeah. Okay, so absolutely. Can you expand on that? Because I'm guessing. Tell me what you know.

C (61:51)

Sure. No, no, that was a very good point. The some pundits are out there claiming that the CIA had no relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, which kind of gets my dander up because I know they did and he was an access agent that the CIA was using to get into to his vast global network of money laundering. Buzzy Krongard, the executive office. George Tenet, his former bank, was involved in money laundering. So the place is just evil. And in my book, I've got 10 steps to reform it, as you guys know. And I put many out on X also. But the CIA, if you are thirsty for intelligence, and I'll give you an example, I was leading a team down to a specific country in South America to do an operation. And when you go into that country, the first thing you have to do is meet with the chief of station, who's the director of the CI in that country. So I dutifully reported to the station, which was down in the basement of a certain building. And I walk in there and it's, the lights are turned down, it's, it's almost dark. The chief of station is sitting behind his deck desk with one of those library green library lamps. And he had a chair facing his desk. And he said, have a seat, Kevin. And it's one of those deflatable chairs the CIA likes to use. You sit in the chair and you sink down below, looking up at the guy behind the desk. Desk. It's just another mental technique. He leaned over his desk and he said, let's get something straight right off the bat, Kevin. I said, yes sir. He said, I will, I will sell my soul to the devil for intelligence. Do you understand that? And I remember thinking, well, that makes one of us, buddy. I said, yes sir, I understand that. And he said, okay, that will be all. And. And I left. And he proceeded to go behind the ambassador's back and conduct programs that the embassy had not sanctioned. Anyway, anyway, there are some wicked, evil people. Now I have to say this because it's important. 80% of the workforce in the CIA are good, patriotic American people just trying to provide for their families. And they don't know that these special access programs are going on. Not even some of the higher level GS15s. Well, I know they don't know. They have no idea these programs are going on. It is the upper 20% that are these narcissistic, sick individuals. Even Mike Pompeo when he came out said that 20% of upper management in the CIA. CIA doesn't believe in the Constitution. They believe in the expansion, power and protection of the CIA. And that is exactly correct. These people are sick. They're malignant narcissists. I was on the seventh floor. I was one of William Casey's staff. These people are narcissists. They're sick and all they care about is their power and expanding the power of the CIA. And so we need to understand that difference because it's important.

B (64:41)

John Brennan, you brought him up before we let you go here, Kevin, whatever happened with that indictment, I mean, according to sources we've been speaking to on this, there was quite a bit of dirt there, really dark things as it relates to Brennan. But now he's got a broadcasting job on msnbc, so I'm not really sure what happened there.

C (65:07)

Well, think about it. Has ever a CIA director been charged or indicted or investigated ever in our history? I mean, really investigated or charged? We remember the CIA destroyed ten subpoenaed torture videotapes. And it wasn't just waterboarding, it was ugly stuff. They were subpoenaed. The CIA destroyed them and came out and had the nerve to say, oh, well, they were accidentally destroyed. So Brennan was a director, the CIA. And getting charges or indictments against the director of the CIA is. It can be done. I believe it can. That's why I wrote my book. But it's extremely difficult because they're so protected by the intelligence apparatus around them. Brennan should have been indicted for breaking in to the Senate torture report skiff and going into the computers and spying on the torture report documents. He should have been indicted for that, but he wasn't Fuzzy. So it's the system, you guys, the upper level system of our government, the system of secrecy that, that even some congressmen I'm convinced are part of, that blocks and stops these things from happening.

B (66:15)

Well, I'm sorry, I know this. I was going to last. Last question, but I just. I got to get you out of here on this, Kevin, which is these more sophisticated weapons they're now using through these cutouts. Forget just human to human control manipulation through sleep deprivation and all the awful things that they were doing to people to get them to have split personalities and using those split personalities for Manchurian Candidate stuff in MK Ultra. What do you believe the tools they're currently using look like nanotechnology 6G where they don't even have to have face to face contact. They can have this anonymity. What do you think that they're using right now?

C (66:53)

Yeah, that's an excellent question. They don't even have to go in your house to bug you anymore. So people looking for bugs in their house might as well just give it up. They can, they can eavesdrop on you from outside your house. I, I don't want to go into. I can't go into the technology there, but they have that technology. And of course they have nanobot technology so small that they can create flying cameras that look like insects, dragonflies and others. And what really concerns me is they have now created the Directorate for Digital Innovation where the CIA is merging all this over into artificial intelligence, which should scare the daylights out of everyone because they're involved in these programs and now with artificial intelligence and now with nanotechnology, I mean, God have mercy on us because there is no limit to what they can do now. And we've gotta, as I do routinely, we've got to demand that Congress conducts a real church like committee and does a legitimate deep investigation in the CIA and breaks the CIA apart, removes its National Clandestine Service, which has all these special access programs and either creates a new agency or puts it under the dia. But the only way really it comes down to us, because congressmen and senators, most of them are in the CIA's pocket. And I have proof of that, that it's up to us, the American people, to, to get motivated and demand our congressmen and senators conduct another real investigation of the CIA with the intent of breaking the CIA apart and eliminating its, its unbridled power of secrecy. We've, we've got to let our congressmen and senators know that if they don't do that, and many of them won't because they're in the CIA's pocket, then we are going to vote them out of office and we're going to make it clear that's why. And that's why that I think is probably our only hope.

B (68:44)

Kevin is the author of Twilight of the Shadow Government. If you can put it up here on the screen again, Philip, it's really one of the best books that I've read in years. Unbelievable book. I encourage every American to read it to really give you an understanding of how deeply dark and demonic this deep state actually is. And Kevin trying to actively end it. So it's a great book. Kevin, great to see you as always and congratulations on finding yourself son. Yes, that is, that is, that is great news. What we weren't expecting.

C (69:12)

Yes, thank you, thank you very much. And thanks for having me, guys.

A (69:15)

Yeah, great to see you. Thanks.

B (69:17)

Great to see you as well. Unbelievable. A family attacked through like MK Ultra style directed energy weapons and. And then like losing your son for years because, you know, I just. And you can't find him. Just horrible. Just horrible.

A (69:31)

It's evil. All right, coming up, we're going to take your super chats. So if you have something to say to us, we definitely want to hear it, so be sure to get those in. But first, I want to tell you about our friends at Better Wild, because, you know, we're always focused on our own health. We probably also should put the same energy into our furry pets. You know, our scratching a lot. And one day we thought, okay, what is this? It could be a sign of allergies. That's when we learned that in dogs, allergies often start in the gut. And. And when things get out of balance internally, it shows up everywhere with skin issues, ears, digestion, and even their energy. Just like us, they need good bacteria to support their gut and calm their immune system. That's what led us to use Better Wild. Better Wild has allergy relief soft chews that we give to our Grover dog. They're designed to support your pet's allergy defense from inside out. So instead of just covering up symptoms, your pet actually addressing the root and we give them to Grover daily. They're super easy and he thinks it's a treat. Over time, he notices less. Well, we notice. I don't know if he does or not. He hasn't said. But we notice less itching, irritation, and just happier, healthier dog. And that gives us peace of mind. Right now, Better Wild is offering our listeners up to 40% off your order when you go to betterwild.com redacted. That's betterwild.com redacted. And you can get up to 40% off your order when you use that landing page. So again, support the people who support Redacted if you will. And you also will be supporting your best friend, your pet, betterwild.com redacted all

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right, it's time for some super chats now. Let's take them here, put them up on the screen. Let's see what you talking about. Gas and energy prices in Buffalo, New York. In the early 80s, they used electric shock therapy on people with this. And it was for the very reason. MK Ultra.

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Yeah.

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Sailing Prepper, Dark Secrets. Thank you so much for that. Let's see. Happy Taco Tuesday. Thank you so much for your super chat. It is 4.99 super chat. It is Taco Tuesday. It's also Cinco de Mayo. So one of those things sync up like that. You know, it's probably once every.

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We had breakfast quesadillas as a breakfast quesadilla this morning. Yes, I did Quite delicious with Jimmy Dean sausage.

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Hey, do you have that, by the way? The snow is getting hard. Phil, do you have that video? The Snow I sent earlier. And this is. So this is here. We're in the Rocky Mountains today, and this is how crazy it is right now out here. We're supposed to get 8 inches of snow right now in the Rocky mountains and crazy. Eight inches of snow on May 5th. It's coming down pretty hard out there. Yeah. What's the weather like up there in your neck of the woods, Philli? It's kind of nice. We're supposed to be sunny in mid-70s here this afternoon. Jeez. Yeah, my friend up in Vancouver was saying it's, like, beautiful. He's like, it's beautiful. We're just hanging out by the water. It's beautiful. I'm like, shut up. Shut up.

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Yeah, we're at like.

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Like today 93, tomorrow 98, 95, 85, 87, 86. Like, it's beautiful here. Tropics. Hey, thanks to all of you for subscribing. If you're not already subscribed, please do. To the tens of thousands of you that are watching across all of our platforms right now. Thank you so much. You can subscribe on Rumble. It's free. You can subscribe on YouTube. It's free. Or follow. I don't know, you click the follow button or whatever and turn on the little bell notifications. When I get more super chats here. Let's see. Cake band river says, shaking my head. Unfortunately, when things hit the fan here at home, they will begin killing each other. After thousands are dead, we will be invaded by China and Russia. This will be after the Antichrist. I. He's a glass half. He's a glass half full kind of guy. But I don't know what's about to happen. But some shit's about to hit the fan, that's for sure. Can you guys, like, feel it? I'm telling you, I've just. I've been feeling it. There's like a weird energy right now. I don't know who's into that kind of stuff, but I just. I feel it. There's just been a really weird kind of, like that calm before the storm energy that I just don't, like. I don't like it. I know. I'm just saying that's what I feel. And I'm kind of an empath, you know, I feel like a lot of energy. Like, that's like when I walk into a room. Like, I can feel. I don't know.

C (73:52)

I just.

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No, it's just how I. I am. That's how I am. Free men die Free economy is going to force us into a situation where we keep what we own by force. Energy crisis means no transportation for a commute to work, which means people won't stand by as their homes are taken. Man, did you see those people that are buying those, like, they're buying all of those shipping containers and they're building like a little fortress, like a mini fortress. This one guy went viral on X, I think this week. He's up in Alaska and He bought like 30 shipping containers built like, almost like a zombie style compound with turrets, like gun turrets. And it's like an autonomous. It's like autonomous as well. So if anybody, like, approaches, like, I guess the guns will just start. I mean, it's crazy. This is like we're talking like Walking Dead style stuff right now. Mr. Wink Howard, sleazeball Lutnick was Epstein's neighbor, you know, Trump's secondhand man. Yeah, exactly. $9 and 50 cents in Victoria, Vancouver Island, British Columbia. Holy smokes, those are some Canadian prices. Joshua Ryman says all of this energy crisis, Iran, etc, is planned. All part of the World Economic Forum Great reset plan. Great point. We haven't heard about the great reset in a while, but it absolutely is part of this plan, which is a depopulation agenda. And they don't want us driving. They want us. They want us staying home. It's like, you know, what are these, like, billionaire bunker builders? Think that they're gonna think they're gonna like, live through a nuclear holocaust. Like, they'll be happy to just have get rid of all of us and they'll survive in some bunker with their children. Like, is that what they want? That's like fallout. Yeah, like, that's the goal. Like, what's the. Like, you want to live in that environment where everything is. I mean, it's like the movie Silent, the. The TV show Silo, right? You want that? You want to live in that environment? Crazy. Let's see here. Trying to get some other. Sorry. These things fly by so fast, I can't click on them. Wish there was a better way, but there's not, sadly. It's beautiful here in Calgary. Sitting here with a T shirt on my balcony. Oh, nice. Up in Canada. It's. It's warmer than it is in freaking Colorado right now. Fabi Sigma, Clayton. There is a shift and there's an ascension happening. The world is splitting into a 3D, 5D world. I'm an empathetic. I'm an empathetic. Empathetic person as well. It is. It is crazy. I just, I Feel like there is some kind of. There is some kind of energy that's happening right now, and I don't know, can't click on that stuff. David, is there a way to slow the. This damn thing down? I think it's in slow mode, actually, every time. Like, if I. That's why, you know, if we get super chats, I can put those up. The other ones just fly by so fast, it's hard for me to stop them. Yeah, unfortunately, with that system, it, you know. Yeah. Paint your house blue, Oregon here. Thank you for your super chat, Laura, not Loomer. Do you think people are waking up enough to this craziness, or do you think it's too late? Love your show, guys. Thanks for truth telling. Thank you so much. Appreciate that. Did you hear that whole, like, Candace Laura Loomer stuff? I. That's the thing. I never get involved in this back and forth with, like, Internet people, you know, like podcast people. Like, who cares at the end of the day, right? I mean, I do. I know. I mean, but this is why, like, you know, this is why people get views on stuff like that, right? Like, because there are people like you who love, like, National Enquirer or like, like tmz. This is why, like, TMZ is successful, because of people like David. Like, oh, what did Kim Kardashian do now? Like, you know, okay, no, I don't go. I, I don't go that.

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That route.

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But like, in the Internet, like, podcast world, you know, like the alternative media podcast world, like Laura Loomer versus Candace Owens, like, I don't care about that. I can't. I. I care about if Candace Owens is, like, breaking a story that's, like, big and important to humanity. But if it's about, like, Laura Loomer, I don't give a rat's ass. And I also don't care if, like, Laura Loomer is breaking a story about Candace Owens and it's, like, about. About her personal life. I don't give a. You know, that doesn't move humanity forward at all. But if you're, you know, if you're exposing, like, the truth behind Charlie Kirk's murder, which was not what they told us, then that's important because it shows the shadow government and the. And the dark forces that are involved in assassinating somebody like that. So anyway, this whole, like, Laura Loomer, back and forth, Candace Owens bs, She, I guess, according to. To Candace, I guess she used her, like, soon to be husband, Laura Loomer did to, like, possibly get Information from like an auto dealership or something that he worked for, where you can get access to people's family records through like an auto database or something. Do you know about this? Well, and also, yeah, and also the attorney that's. That's representing Harpole in that lawsuit that they filed on her is Bren Shapiro, his brother in law. Again, this is like this inset, like Ben Shapiro, Laura Loomer, like can like all of this like little incestuous, like alternative media back and forth. Like I find it so un. Uninteresting. I don't know. I just. My, My daughter loves drama YouTubers. That's about 50, like 80% of. Of what she watches on YouTube is just drama YouTubers. Every now and then I'll be like, what's that you're watching? And she'll like go into this hour and a half long where I tune out like 30 seconds into it. And I was like, I don't care

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about any of these people.

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She just, she eats it up. I don't understand it. I just don't understand like the drama YouTube situate. Like someone was telling me all about this guy that does the quartering. Like, you hear about all that stuff. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, oh, I don't know. That's great. That's like crazy and gross and like, I don't want to hear that. Like, what is that?

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Right?

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See, I guess I get into it because I feel like it's a form of social justice. I mean, I like. Because I really like Candace and seeing her take them down and they think they're winning, I don't know. It just gives me satisfaction. I do love the fact that like she's basically taken down the Daily Wire. Like that makes me endlessly happy, you know, like we were talking about here how, you know, the Daily Wire has like no views. Like who's watching that stuff? Stuff like I don't even. I don't know. And it's all according to certain people, certain reports that it was all like fake views. Right? Or a lot of it was like fake views or view botting, which I don't know. I'm just telling you what people are saying. Oh, yeah, no, you can, you can clearly, if you know how that all works. Like what the ratios are. It's clear ratios of like what Con engagement. Like, yeah. Views to likes views to comments. Oh, okay. Yeah, interesting. So I don't know. And you know, I've got a family to take care of. I'm not gonna. I'm more interested in like the bigger news stories that matter to, to us, you know, personally, rather than like, you'll never see me do like a story on the quartering on this show or whatever, whatever that is. Anyways, I don't watch sports. I mean, this is my sports. Yeah, back and forth. This is your, this is your tennis, this is your ping pong. Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's like Boris Becker and Agassi. It's like, it's like if, if all

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of, if all of, if all of

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them like got mad and vaporized each

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other, my life would change.

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Not a bit. That's right. Like they could just cease to exist and I wouldn't, I wouldn't even know. It'd be like they could get raptured

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and I just, I would have no

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clue that it even happened. But if like the Daily Wire ceased to exist, it would have no effect on my life whatsoever. Like, I never would watch it. That's not something I would ever spend time watching. I would never give them money. I would never, you know, watch any of their content. So if they disappeared, I wouldn't be any different. It would, to me it's like the same way if like CNN disappeared, I, I wouldn't affect me at all. I just, that's not where I'm gonna get my news or information from, so. Sorry. Well, it's like I, I totally supported the Daily Wire, like for a long time. I was a member and, and yeah, and then when they like just went off the deeper end on, on Israel, I was just like, what the hell is this? And I just ran for the hills. Cuz I, I like the chocolate. I, I bought the. You know, I was a supporter. I, I had, had I not worked here doing this, I wouldn't even know they exist. Because the only time I've ever heard the Daily Wire is when somebody makes mention of it on the show. I've never encountered it anywhere. Oh man. Well, if it's not on Reddit, you don't see it. So. Yeah, I don't know, it's like, I guess. Oh yeah, I heard something about like there was like, There was a YouTube channel that was like going after the quartering or something and then he got like, he got his feelings hurt so he went after and like got him like banned on some platform or something or whatever. I don't even know. I don't have no idea. I have no idea. That story. Story. Yeah, I just like the whole like that, what I found interesting to me, like the Laura the Loomer story because Candace posted something yesterday that actually read, which was about how Loomer was apparently getting this information and she alleges it, she posted it. You guys can read it yourself. I don't know, but it's like that she was using her, like, soon to be husband who works like through an automatic company to get. Because apparently if you buy a car or you go and you lease a car, whatever, they. They have so much access to information from your personal life, you know, all like financial records, everything. And so that, that's how she was able to get this information about, like Candace's family and husband is through her soon to be husband's, like, auto database, which she alleges is a crime. Like, you're literally like doxxing people. You're going and getting financial, real records of somebody that has nothing to do with the sale of a car that you're involved with and you're gonna then dox this individual. Like, I don't know. Honestly, I was more surprised that somebody wants to marry Laura Loomer. Yeah. I mean, oh, my God, it's disgusting. I don't want to think about that. Like, when are you coming to bed, honey? After I send this last tweet. Yeah. Anyway, that's that piece of the story I found interesting. Not like the back and forth, like they're both like, you know, going back and forth back. I don't care about that. Like, you know, whatever their personal beast beef is, you know. But anyway, the whole like, getting documents through auto dealerships thing, because apparently the same thing happened to, like, Anna Kasparian, I guess so that I found that story interesting. Anyway, for sure. Yeah. Any other super chats come in? Oh, yeah. So Laura a lot. Not. Loomer says, I feel the weird energy too. Samesies. DT Gypsy says. Yeah, yeah, we're all feeling it for our country. It feels doomed right now. Yeah, it just feels. Just feels very weird. Something just feels really, really weird, Laura. Okay. Boomer. Rob Hellfire says Jeremy has completely burned his entire online career. Such a fool. Yeah, I don't know anything about that, but it's just weird how people do that. Like, you know, like, it's weird to like, I don't know, it's. It's like weird how people. I don't know anything about it, but it's. I used to watch. I used to watch him. I used to watch Tim Pool and it's like they all just fell in love line with this whole Israel thing. And then Jeremy, like, he's posting content where he's clearly trashed like on either on drugs or drunk or something. Like he's just off the rails. Red worm. Charlie.

D (86:14)

Sorry.

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You know, I'm not here to like do an entertainment show like you know, if, if I was and I would just cover like TMZ style bs, you know, I'm here to cover like real things that affect our families. Sorry, wish it was more positive, I really do. But that's, that's just the nature of things unfortunately. So sorry about that. You can watch his gaming streams. Those are less doom and gloom. Yeah, that's true. Redacted. Headed down a dark path. Oh, headed down.

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We.

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This, this show started on a dark path. What are you talking about? It's called redacted. I mean, I mean literally. And by the way, we're going to be doing more of it, but we have some big stories coming out actually over the next few weeks and months. But you know, some of the stories that no one else will touch, we will touch here on this show because they need to be exposed. Like child trafficking networks and what people are doing with organ harvesting in Ukraine and other places like that. These baby making factories, things that are happening like under our nose right now in Pl in the United States. These things need to be exposed. These pedophiles, these people that get swept under the rug and protected by the elite globalists. Like we need to expose them or we won't have a country left. We're not going to have a place for our children to grow up in. You know, you feel like you're trying to insulate your children from some of this stuff, but it's absolutely horrifying. And I, I think about like just you know, growing up in this country in like the 1980s. You see some of these like videos of like what life was like and you're like, oh my God, could we go back to some of that please? So we haven't gone down a dark path. We, we started on a dark path. I mean even, even John Krasinski gave up. There just wasn't enough good news. Yeah, Fidget guy says what software do you use to post the rumble rants? This is I think social stream ninja. Yeah. Because we have, we're across all these different platforms. So we're on, on YouTube and X and Rumble and Twitch and different places. And so we, that we need like a central place where we can put all of the different super chats and rumble rants up on the screen simultaneously. Like if we were just on you YouTube, which we're not YouTube is actually the smallest audience that we have. We could easily put up software like use obs or something like that to push up these comments on the screen. But because we're on Rumble, Rumble has a different system we have to use. We have to use that. Girl gets arrested for making Netanyahu joke. Yeah, that's where we are these days. A girl gets arrested because it makes it crazy. Brown man, brown manifesting.

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I apologize.

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Appreciate what you and Natalie do. Thank you so much. Really appreciate that. Anything else here? IDF is out in force today spending those shekels. They really are. I don't know if you saw the, the report about the amount of money that they're spending on Hasbara. It was like $750 million. Yeah. Million dollars on Hasbara. Jeez, can you imagine that? Yeah, certainly I've heard that from others, but keep saying you're the only one and your commies. Thank you. Appreciate that. I. I can tell you that when we started covering child trafficking on this, this channel, almost no one else was covering it. I can tell you that for sure. There were very few that were actually covering it on this style of a platform, on this large of a platform at this level. And they would be silenced by the way they were. For instance, when we had like, Tim Ballard on, like right before Sound of Silence, like whatever happened right after that, it went after him big time. And of course, anytime we would do stories about it or our friends like the team over at Muckraker, at least on like human trafficking operations and all of that would be attacked big time. I mean, talk about Carlos, who was on our show, who. They went after him big time after he. His expose about the child trafficking operations through HHS and the facilitation, the facilities in Texas and what happened to Carlos, it's absolutely horrible. But yeah, there were absolutely other people covering it, but I think we really shined a light on it in a. In a big way, which I'm proud about. I mean, and it's, you know, I don't say that about much, but I will say that. Freddy, Freddy. Aaron says redacted media. It's like. It's like a sleeping pill. Thank you. Maybe it's the nice music. You can just relax to it at night. Who's redacted media? That's. That's not us. We're redacted. So, yeah, I don't know. Thank you. Where are the civil rights attorneys? Starvation is the cheapest way for Trump to kill. Jeez, dude, I'm sitting here smoking some weed and Then the Willow soundtrack showed up on my playlist on Spotify, and I'm like, damn, must be high as balls. That's funny. YouTube is the cleanest of the media. We know how to dirty. YouTube really is. Oh, man. Brokeback was whose favorite movie. Not mine. You know, I've never seen that, thankfully. I love your show and also appreciate all the different YouTuber styles and content. I don't care for the drama with Larry Loomer. However, I fully support Candace and love how she presents information. Same. Thank you. Just say, Julie, appreciate your donation. Thank you for your super chat. Appreciate that the IDF spends our money, not theirs. Yep. Michael Jackson was not a pedo. Of course not. If you know, you know. And this is why. This is why certainly the Zionists are out to totally discredit that movie, but they can't stop it, which I love. I love that this movie has become like a. Like an international sensation. Did you see it? Oh, yeah, we saw it. My son saw it twice because he went back with his friends. It's so good. I want to go see it so bad. I mean, you know, just the mu. Well, first of all, Jafar. Jafar, his. His performance is unbelievable. And the music is just, like, off the charts good. You know, it's off the wall. See what I did there? It's so good.

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That was.

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That was brilliant. I just love that. It's like, you know, and then once you, like, dive into the fake lawsuit and the whole phony thing and how they went after him and how he was exonerated, and then you see, like, the Wall Street Journal doing this hit piece the other day on the movie and the comments. Oh, my God, he. They just got destroyed in the community notes. I love it. I absolutely love it. I love that the truth is coming out on that. By the way, you should do watch our deep dive with Ian Carroll. We did a whole deep dive on. On the Michael Jackson story a few weeks ago. Actually, check it out here on the channel as well. Let's see. I'm trying to see if there's any other chats we can put up on the screen here. You read that. Where is Carlos now? That's a good question. I haven't checked in with Carlos in

D (94:24)

a little while,

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but I should. I'm gonna send him a text. Yeah, I'm gonna check. I'm gonna send him a text right now. In fact, we're gonna do it. He has a new phone number, unfortunately, it looks like. But I. I would text him pretty regularly, but I haven't I haven't touched base with him in a little while, but thank you for asking that question, but I will. I just sent him a message. I don't know if it'll go through. Let's see the Legend soundtrack. Oh, I guess that's gonna do it for us today. What happened to Carlos? Well, it's Carlos Areno. He was an. He was a whistleblower and, And blew the whistle on the child facilities that these like Walmart facilities in Texas, they were like converted from a Walmart to like a housing facility for these children that then would be trafficked around the United States. Was all being done through NGOs. But I just said Carlos, a text. We'll see if I get an answer from him. I hope so. I hope so. Yeah, we can just hang out and wait if you want. Yeah, we'll just hang out. Oh, man. Anyway. All right, all right. Here's one more. Casey wise woman. You should get Kathy O' Brien and don talk MK Ultra. She's a survivor. Her 1995 testimony Congress censored for reasons of national security. Well, in fact, it's funny you mentioned that because we are going to play some of that testimony in an interview that's coming out here on the channel very, very soon about MK Ultra specifically. But I would love to have Kathy on the show. In fact, hopefully we can work on that. But yeah, we have another survivor who was a part of the MKUltra program who's going to be here on the show. But we're going to deep dive this. It's absolutely horrifying what we learned. So we're going to have that interview coming out here very, very soon on the channel and there will be a Michael Part 2. Yes, they did greenlight it because it's become such a huge film. So, so great. Thank you guys so much. Really appreciate you joining us. Say thank you for subscribing on rumble, on YouTube, on X, on Twitch. Thanks for all of our Beck television viewers as well around the country. Thank you for watching us. We really appreciate it and thanks for getting uncomfortable with us and we'll see you back here tomorrow. Have a great night, everyone.

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