Epstein’s Zorro Ranch FINALLY about to be Investigated, Epstein’s 9/11 connections

Summary

Podcast Summary: Redacted News

Episode: Epstein’s Zorro Ranch FINALLY about to be Investigated, Epstein’s 9/11 Connections
Hosts: Natalie & Philip (Redacted.inc)
Date: February 17, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of Redacted News dives into two explosive topics:

• The long-delayed state-level investigation of Jeffrey Epstein’s Zorro Ranch in New Mexico, including chilling allegations involving organ harvesting and trafficking.
• Newly scrutinized gaps in Epstein’s records surrounding 9/11, suggesting connections to arms dealing, foreign policy manipulation, and systemic coverups.

Alongside the hosts, key guests include Elisa Martinez (anti-trafficking advocate & former US Senate candidate, NM), Jason Burmes (investigative journalist/9/11 researcher), and Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis, Middle East political analyst).

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Key Topics and Segment Highlights

1. The Zorro Ranch Investigation

[08:22–26:00]

• Background:
  New Mexico lawmakers have approved their first full investigation into Epstein’s Zorro Ranch, years after similar scrutiny of his other properties.

  “Less than two hours after our report on Zorro Ranch ran yesterday, New Mexico says it has approved a probe into Epstein's Zorro Ranch for the very first time.”
  – Host Natalie, [08:22]

• Why Now?
  – Elisa Martinez expresses skepticism and frustration at the delay, suggesting political damage control by the Democrat party, which has dominated New Mexico politics for decades. There’s concern that evidence is lost or tampered.

  “Seven years later, why are we now calling on an investigation? When the bodies have been buried, the evidence most likely is missing, gone, tampered with... this is really just about damage control...”
  – Elisa Martinez, [10:25]

• Locals Left in the Dark / Political Connections:
  Martinez details how even local residents often didn’t know about the ranch’s operations, notes Santa Fe's rise as a celebrity haven, and underscores ex-Governor Bill Richardson's close ties to Epstein.

  “[Richardson] was a prolific cheater and just all around questionable character that really came to our state to carpetbag. He had a relationship... with Bill Clinton.”
  – Elisa Martinez, [11:52]

• Alleged Atrocities:
  Martinez spotlights rumors of a “baby breeding factory” and proximity to longstanding organ harvesting research at the University of New Mexico.
  She stresses the state's vulnerability to trafficking due to poverty, proximity to the border, and poor child protection laws.

  “He wanted to build a baby breeding factory using his DNA… The proximity to University of New Mexico where we had baby body part harvesting going on for 20 plus years...”
  – Elisa Martinez, [13:22]

• Evidence of Murders:
  The hosts read an anonymous staff email suggesting two foreign girls were murdered and buried on/near the property.

  “Two foreign girls were buried there on orders of Epstein and Madame Ghislaine Maxwell. Both died by strangulation during rough fetish sex.”
  – Host Natalie, [14:44]

  Martinez confirms these stories have circulated for years and urges immediate investigations of the ranch and adjacent state land.

• Ongoing Corruption:
  Martinez underscores entrenched political connections among those now tasked to investigate including current Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, who served under Richardson.

• Organ Harvesting Connection:
  Martinez describes NIH-funded harvesting of organs from late-term aborted babies at UNM, flagging that investigations consistently stall.

  “The University of New Mexico had a partnership with one of the local late term abortion centers… all of these body parts that they were sifting through in order to use for research…”
  – Elisa Martinez, [22:27]

• Notable Quote:

  “New Mexico, by nearly every metric... last in everything good and first in everything bad.”
  – Elisa Martinez, [19:07]

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2. Gaps in Epstein Documents and 9/11 Connections

[28:19–43:12]
Guest: Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)

• Massive Document Gaps:
  There are unexplained missing documents around 9/11 – up to 25,000 – with financial ledgers and communications notably absent in the critical pre/post-9/11 years.

  “They've announced there are 2½ million more… there are 15,000 ledger lines from the financing completely gone.”
  – Jason Burmes, [29:41]

• Arms Dealing and Israeli Connections:
  Jason Burmes outlines Epstein’s deep involvement in arms trading, connections to figures like Stanley Pottinger, Douglas Leese, and the Israel arms network, tracing back to Iran-Contra.

  “Epstein was very, very involved in the arms industry… into the Iran Contra network... Israel actually bought weapons from Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia and then shipped them down.”
  – Jason Burmes, [29:41]

• Narrative Management and Academic Influence:
  Cites emails showing Epstein actively managed media and academic narratives post-9/11, referencing the “Shadow Commission” and connections with media operatives (e.g., J. Edward Epstein, not related).

• Suspicious Networks:
  Burmes identifies the systemic pattern: “We celebrate our arms dealers... no real criminal accountability except Iran-Contra, where everybody got what? Slap on the wrist pardons.”

• Quote:

  “If you have a time period pre-9/11 where maybe Epstein is moving and shaking in these arenas with other people's names, that’s something you’d like to keep from the public.”
  – Jason Burmes, [32:53]

• Shadow 9/11 Commission:
  A little-publicized “Shadow Commission” parallel to the official Commission may have included figures later implicated in Epstein’s world, such as George Mitchell.

  “When you're looking at whether or not there's another Epstein connection, turns out... George Mitchell, the politician, had already been in a bunch of the Epstein files.”
  – Jason Burmes, [39:32]

• Unanswered Questions:
  Burmes doubts we’ll ever see full transparency—despite millions of unreleased documents, he expects further redactions.

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3. Epstein’s Influence in Academia & the Noam Chomsky Question

[45:49–68:17]
Guest: Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis)

• Funding Academia for Geopolitical Goals:
  Almasian details how Epstein’s funding of MIT’s Media Lab extended to regime-change operations, including attempts to aid “rebels” (in reality, often al-Qaeda) in Syria with free Internet.

  “The Media Lab sent a person to Syria in 2011... in order to distribute free Internet to the so-called rebels... this Media Lab is sending operatives to Syria to give these so-called rebels free Internet in order to organize themselves...”
  – Kevork Almasian, [48:04]

• Noam Chomsky’s Role:
  Chomsky, long considered the intellectual heart of the Western left, is accused of helping deflect anti-Israel and anti-war critique, subtly normalizing Israeli actions and, at times, parroting establishment lines (e.g., supporting U.S. occupation of eastern Syria, dismissing 9/11 skepticism).

  “Why would Chomsky come to Lebanon in front of the political science grads and tell them the story of his honeymoon in an Israeli kibbutz in 1949, which means one year after... the Nakba?”
  – Kevork Almasian, [51:52]

  “All those question marks, combined with his position on 9/11, that we shouldn’t question the official narrative... clear indications that Chomsky was either influenced by people like Jeffrey Epstein or he was an operative all the time inside the ranks of the left wing.”
  – Kevork Almasian, [55:25]

• Compromised Academia:
  Almasian suggests Epstein systematically courted both left- and right-wing thinkers, keeping both “safe channels” under influence, and accuses Chomsky’s spouse of facilitating some of these connections.

  “Epstein is just the handler… the people behind Epstein… he was representing the darker forces above him and implementing several strategies...”
  – Kevork Almasian, [59:20]

• Quote on Chomsky:

  “I have to say this very clearly… many people inside academia could be compromised and could be influenced, especially when there is money. Money can corrupt academia just like money can corrupt many other aspects.”
  – Kevork Almasian, [58:15]

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4. Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On the Still-Unseen Scope of Epstein’s Activities:

  “We’re just starting to peel this onion back. It just keeps getting more rotten and more rotten.”
  – Host Natalie, [25:45]

• On Hero Worship:

  “The lesson for us is be careful with hero worship… You might trust somebody, but you always have to leave room to think for yourself.”
  – Co-host Philip, [67:45]

• On the Systemic Nature of Abuse:

  “Anyone else who was involved needs to be brought to account. We need to start seeing some accountability. We need to start seeing arrests.”
  – Elisa Martinez, [17:05]

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Timeline for Key Segments

• [08:22] – Zorro Ranch investigation officially launched; Martinez joins
• [13:22] – Allegations of “baby breeding factory” and organ harvesting
• [14:44] – Staff testimony: alleged murders at Zorro Ranch
• [19:07] – Martinez summarizes New Mexico’s vulnerability
• [22:27] – NIH-funded organ harvesting operations
• [25:00] – Details about prior property owners and political links
• [28:19] – Jason Burmes discusses gaps in Epstein’s documents and 9/11
• [39:32] – Discussion of Shadow 9/11 Commission's links to Epstein
• [45:49] – Pivot to Epstein’s reach in academia and the Chomsky issue
• [48:04] – Epstein and MIT Media Lab’s involvement in Syria
• [55:25] – Almasian analyzes Chomsky’s positions and potential compromise

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain a deeply skeptical, sometimes darkly sardonic tone, pushing for uncomfortable truths while expressing frustration at persistent coverups. Guests provide fact-heavy, sometimes emotional testimony, especially around subjects like organ harvesting and political betrayal among public intellectuals.

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Final Thoughts / Takeaways

• The Zorro Ranch probe, while historic, faces skepticism: Guests and hosts doubt much real accountability will follow, given political entanglement.
• Document gaps are not random: Prosecutorial or intelligence agencies may have shielded arms trafficking and state-level complicity in Epstein’s deeper operations, possibly tied to the events around 9/11.
• Epstein used elite networks to influence media, science, and foreign policy: From managing war narratives to investing in both sides of the political divide, the intent was broad and systemic control.
• Even icons can be compromised: Noam Chomsky’s reputed independence is seriously questioned, with evidence he may have advanced establishment, pro-Israel, or even intelligence-aligned aims, possibly entangled through his relationship with Epstein.

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For further research, listeners are encouraged to follow:

• Elisa Martinez for updates on the New Mexico probe
• Jason Burmes on YouTube for deep dives into 9/11 and Epstein (see: Loose Change, Fabled Enemies)
• Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis) for academic/geopolitical analysis of Epstein’s impact in the Middle East

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End of Episode Summary

Transcript

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[Co-host Philip]

It's Lunar New Year. That's why we're wearing red.

[Host Natalie]

It feels like it's. It feels like it should be Friday with all the craziness that's been happening in the world. Yeah, we have got a lot of news to get to. Even Grover has joined us in the studio today because he is.

[Co-host Philip]

Well, he's worn out from it, too.

[Host Natalie]

He's worn out for the week, but he's back. He's back in the studio today, just hanging out. Yeah, we've got a very busy show. We're going to look at the latest because literally just a few hours after our report yesterday on Zorro Ranch and the details we laid out there, there is now a new investigation unfolding and rolling out by the New Mexico government. They put together basically a commission that's going to look at the nefarious things that were happening at Epstein Zorro Ranch. We're gonna talk all about it with an expert from New Mexico today who knows all about the nefarious deeds there. I mean, we're talking organ harvesting in New Mexico, child trafficking and all of it. We're gonna look and unpack.

[Co-host Philip]

We're also gonna look at this gap that's tre. Why is there no documents between the years of about 2000 to 2001? What does that say about what Epstein may or may not know about 9 11? It's a red pilling that's happening online right now.

[Host Natalie]

Yeah, like why are 25,000 documents, like, missing from that period? Right around 911 as it relates to Epstein and Golden.

[Co-host Philip]

Did he take a sabbatical? He just took a sabbatical. 9 11. Yeah, like an academic sabbatical. That's weird. Also, if you've been watching our friend Kavorka Almasian on Syriana analysis, he's doing a bang up job. Epstein was trying to influence foreign policy through academia. Now you may be surprised about the Noam Chomsky revelations and other academics we discussed last week how he was really trying to get these academics to validate his sexual perversions and violent perversions, but also to influence. I mean, the guy was busy. He was really busy doing the devil's deeds. And we want to know what, what is that? Like, was. Was Chomsky being handled? Why were they selling war? Believe they were, but there's a lot to know there. I find it fascinating. So Cavor is going to join us and tell us himself.

[Host Natalie]

All right, so we've got a lot to unpack. And someone in the chat room just said, I'm not holding my breath on Zorro Ranch. Like, are they going to actually do a complete investigation there? Well, we'll try to find out. And what, you know, now it seems like Democrats are kind of leading the charge and they're trying to line up against Republicans. You know, you know how this goes. But we're going to see if any good will come of that.

[Co-host Philip]

So they will find dinosaur bones. The. Oh, these are their bones here. Dinosaur.

[Host Natalie]

Yeah.

[Chemistry Expert]

And I imagine. I imagine when Cash Patel shows up, he'll find some bullets that say that Epstein only trafficked to himself. And then.

[Co-host Philip]

That's right.

[Host Natalie]

Cash Patel's bullets.

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

I was.

[Co-host Philip]

It was only Jeffrey Epstein who shot me.

[Host Natalie]

Did you see Dan Bongino is now. Basically, he's agreeing with the redactions that.

[Co-host Philip]

They had to be done.

[Host Natalie]

Oh my gosh.

[Co-host Philip]

It was done correctly.

[Host Natalie]

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[Co-host Philip]

We got a super chat, $10 super chat from someone saying Natalie was right. Yesterday when we talked about satanic pedophile rings, this person said they had nightmares. And I did say, you know, when you watch that episode, do whatever protection, a prayer, a crystal, a candle, whatever you needed to do because I care about you guys. I want us to know these things, but also I want us to be protected from whatever this is. We are fighting against it. So I'm sorry you had bad dreams. I hope you have some warm milk before bed and better dreams tonight. But first we got to get to some disturbing news.

[Host Natalie]

Well, less than two hours after our report on Zorro Ranch ran yesterday, New Mexico says it has approved a probe into Epstein's Zorro Ranch for the very first time. They have now approved this comprehensive probe. So let me just read right from the Reuters piece here to be specific. New Mexico lawmakers on Monday passed legislation to launch what they said was the first full investigation into what happened at Zorro Ranch, where the late US Sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is accused of trafficking and sexually assaulting girls and women. What about the murder, by the way, that shows up in the Epstein files? No mention of that. But a bipartisan committee will seek testimony from survivors of alleged sexual abuse at the ranch, located about 30 miles south of Santa Fe, the state capital. Legislators are also urging Local residents to testify. Well, way to catch up. Glad you finally joined in the park. Welcome to the party, pal. Zorro Ranch of all. We looked at everything else. We looked at his, you know, Paris house, we looked at his up, you know, Upper east side house. We looked at his, the island, we looked in Florida. But the ranch, we just decided to leave that off. You know, whatever. I think we got enough stuff here anyway. Elisa Martinez, she's a former US Senate candidate from New Mexico, has been absolutely vocal about the anti, anti sex trafficking and what they can do to stop it in the state of New Mexico. She knows this place very, very well. And also the very horribly nefarious things that have been happening in New Mexico from organ harvesting and child sex trafficking. And of course, Zorro Ranch sits really at the center of a lot of that. Elisa joins us now. Great to have you here on the show. Thank you so much for joining us.

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

Thank you for having me.

[Host Natalie]

So when you, I just want to, first of all, at a 30,000 foot level, like, what the hell? Like, why now are we finally getting a probe into this ranch? Like, people like you have been singing from the rooftops like, please, or shouting from the rooftops, please investigate this stuff.

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

Absolutely. And that's probably the biggest takeaway is seven years later, why are we now calling on an investigation? When the bodies have been buried, the evidence most likely is missing, gone, tampered with. And so I believe that this is really just about damage control for the party in power in New Mexico, which has been the Democrat party for really 90 years and quite frankly has allowed for this ranch to operate freely for almost 26 years even to date, even after the arrest, after the email drops, after everything that's come to light has still yet to be investigated. And I will also note that the former Governor Bill Richardson, who only died just in 2016, 2023, many of the members on the committee that voted for this commission yesterday, which I was present at that vote, were really giving accolades to this former disgraced Democrat Governor Bill Richardson, who was a frequent friend and visitor of Zorro Ranch, of course.

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

What.

[Host Natalie]

And Bill Clinton. And Bill Clinton, of course. And very, very cushy with Bill Clinton, of course.

[Co-host Philip]

So what are the, how long has there been rumblings that there were nefarious things happening at this ranch? And how, how have they been covered up for decades because many of us just learned about it from this document and we didn't have our eye on New Mexico at all.

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

Well, that's a great point. I don't think a lot of local residents were even aware as well of the ranch operating there. And it, I find it interesting that, you know, over the 20, 26 plus years or so that that ranch has been under the ownership of Epstein. That Santa Fe, which is the close, well known city, was also becoming a mecca for the stars. So you have multimillion dollar a list celebrities like Oprah, like others that were moving to Santa Fe and it was becoming this mecca for the stars. But we do know that the governor, former governor Bill Richardson, you know, was pretty well known amongst many circles that he was a womanizer, he was, you know, a cheater, prolific cheater and just all around questionable character that really came to our state in order to carpet bag. He had a relationship again, as we know, with Bill Clinton and was under an appointee of Bill Clinton during the Clinton era. Clinton eras. So we know that Clinton era, excuse me, we know that there was this, this relationship there as well and that Richardson himself was a very. Just a dark character.

[Host Natalie]

So Vonda in our chat room says please do not only be focused on the rich and powerful perpetrators, please look into all the doct nurses, staff members, dentists, gynecologists, et cetera. All the ordinary people who encountered these victims. What do you say about that? Great point.

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

I think it's an excellent point, especially now that we're seeing come to light. And it did come to light previously, but not as prominent with this baby breeding factory or baby breeding program that Epstein wanted to operate out of Zorro Ranch. Again, because it's in the middle of nowhere. It's a huge ranch, a huge property that is operating with no oversight. The proximity to University of New Mexico where we had baby body part harvesting going on for 20 plus years. This is a similar but different situation with Epstein that he wanted to breed, he wanted to build a baby breeding factory using his DNA, of course, to perpetuate, you know, a new breed of human beings with his DNA. And so a lot of nefarious activities took place there. And again, this investigation that is being launched by our local lawmakers hopefully will bring to light more local input and tips. But so far it's been a dead end. Our Attorney General launched an investigation that came up with no findings back in 2019 when this all broke. The only elected official to remotely even take any concrete action is the land Commissioner who basically terminated contracts with the property and is at least calling for an investigation of any bodies that might be buried there.

[Host Natalie]

You want to put up this email here because this was one of the revelations that came out of the Epstein files, which is. We read this yesterday, but this is one of the most telling pieces, Edward. This is sensitive, so it will be the first and last email, depending on your discretion. You can choose to take it or trash it, but this comes from a person that has been there and seen it all. As a former staff member at Zorro Ranch, the material below was taken from Jeffrey Epstein's home as my insurance in case of future litigation against Epstein. Sorry, no questions. What is damning about Epstein is yet to be written. Did you know somewhere in the hills outside of the Zorro Ranch, two foreign girls were buried there on orders of Epstein and Madame Ghislaine Maxwell. Both died by strangulation during rough fetish sex. And it goes on. So that's one of the big questions here is bodies buried on the ranch or. And maybe you can educate all of us. There's state land which abuts the ranch. And so state. Maybe bodies are even buried on state land that sits adjacent to the ranch. Can you talk about that piece of it?

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

Sure. So this came to light again back in 2019. This is where the land commissioner of New Mexico, I believe at the time, Stephanie Garcia Richard, did call for a cease of contracts because the land did, but or it was next to state land and there were some lease agreements with the property, the Zora Ranch property, that were halted by the land commissioner. But again, the tip that you're speaking of, that now we have concrete evidence in the files was a tip that came to light several years ago that those two, at least two bodies that we know of were buried there of these two foreign young women that died during disgusting acts that they were forced into, most likely. And so now that we have the concrete evidence that land needs to be investigated immediately for any other additional burials that might have taken place that we know are taking place, that there are victims that are disposable to these individuals in elite circles. And of course, as your previous commenter said, anyone else who was involved needs to be brought to account. We need to start seeing some accountability. We need to start seeing arrests. We need to start seeing arraignments. We need to see some action now that the evidence is concrete.

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Right.

[Co-host Philip]

Murder should have brought about some kind of indictment if that in fact happened. The problem is that, like you said, you think a lot of the evidence is tampered with. You know, interesting that there were New Mexico airports closed over the last week after these revelations. So we don't know if those are connected. But the absence of findings from these new attempts to Investigate won't really tell us much. We can't put stock in the fact that they won't. They may not find anything. Right.

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

I would agree at this point. Again, we're talking seven years later to 2019. But in addition to that, I think that it's a highly partisan committee that is overseeing the investigation of their. Their. Maybe some of their friends and definitely some of their former colleagues. Another note that needs to be brought to light here in this discussion is that former governor Bill Richardson, under his tutelage and mentorship, is the current governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, who served on his cabinet while he was visiting Zorro Ranch as the governor. And so now Governor Michelle Juan Grisham, I believe, was on an aging health and aging cabinet secretary, and now she is our current governor. And these are the individuals in power that are going to be involved with investigating. You know, it is a legislative committee. But that connection also needs to be brought to light.

[Co-host Philip]

Right. And I apologize that the airport closures were in El Paso, not in Santa Fe. Yeah, My. My apologies.

[Host Natalie]

So when you look at. When people are saying this is worse than Epstein island, why would they say that? What. What stands out to you about Zorro Ranch specifically or the infrastructure in New Mexico that makes it even worse or less remote than Epstein island and where they could bring in more girls or. I mean, I guess. Could you help me unpack that a little bit?

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

Sure. Well, again, I mean, New Mexico by nearly every metric is, you know, we have a saying it's last and everything good and first and everything bad because of, sadly, you know, and so because of the high poverty rates, the high government dependency, you know, the high alcoholism rates, the high rates of abortions, you have a lot of problems in the state that I think are not being addressed legally. And additionally, I have here with me the. The release from the New Mexico Department of Public Safety where Epstein was not required by the state of New Mexico to not report his previous sex offender status when that was prosecuted in Florida. So we have really an. In an ended state where children were trafficked here. The proximity to the border as well is my understanding, is a reason why our state was targeted by this Epstein pedophile ring. Proximity to traffic, young children and women from the border, but also the lack of really any sort of protections in the law for children. In fact, we had just, I think in the last year, 11 children died under our Children Youth and Families division care. We had reports of children that were being. That were sleeping overnight in the offices of the cyfd. So it's just a mess here. And so it's. No, I think nobody here is surprised that they were able to operate this ranch and this operation with little accountability.

[Host Natalie]

Before we get to the organ harvesting piece of this story, which is I want to ask you, someone even in our chat room is saying where are the Epstein babies? That as you pointed out at Epstein Ranch, clearly he was trying to procreate with as many people as possible and to carry on the. Whatever he believed was some sort of super genes. Do we have any accounting of where these Epstein babies might be if they're still alive?

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

I mean, I think that's a million dollar question that we won't know the answers to. We may never know the answers to. And it's just so tragic that life in New Mexico just comes at a very. Is just disposable. We also just saw this month and one of the bills that I'm involved with advocating for is safe haven baby boxes where you know, a parent can anonymously leave a baby. Well, we can't seem to address that in our legislature despite the fact that the state has just this year again, another baby was found thrown in a septic tank and drowned. Drowned from that. And so it's really tragic here the way that life, especially newborn and unborn life is being just tossed. Tossed in the trash. So that's a great question. I'm not sure where those babies are to this day.

[Host Natalie]

All right, let's talk about the organ harvesting because New Mexico center and really one, I guess you can speak to this. But. So Zorro Ranch sits there. But then of course you've got the, the massive amount of money that's made from organ harvesting and of course the massive child trafficking operation in New Mexico. And I know you've been really outspoken about this and the NIH and their studies in that region. Can you talk about that?

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

Absolutely. So we led an investigation or I was involved in an investigation back in 201516 that involved the University of New Mexico which is just an hour away or so from Santa Fe from Epstein Zorros ranch where they were conducting research involving human body parts from aborted babies that were upwards of 23, 24 weeks. They were harvesting organs, pancreas, hearts, 26 hearts for one study alone from later term babies that are being aborted in New Mexico. It's a very lucrative operation. And so this, the University of New Mexico had a partnership with one of the local late term abortion centers and they were harvesting and sifting through these body parts on a regular basis. In fact, we have a published, what they call procurement notebook of all of these body parts that they were sifting through in order to use for research that was funded by the nih.

[Host Natalie]

And Fauci directly involved in this?

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

I believe so. I believe so. If not when he was director of nih, he was also involved in the NIH for many years. And so there's a lot of problems here that are just not being uncovered and not being prosecuted. It was the same Attorney General, Hector Baderas, that was tasked with investigating the violation of law involving this human trafficking and experimentation at the University of New Mexico because they were not properly receiving the consent from women to experiment with their babies body parts. And so there were many violations of the law that were potential violations that were identified in that process that never got prosecuted there as well.

[Host Natalie]

Yeah. So the Democrats can pass this new committee to look at Zorro Ranch, but they're nearly 100 years, seven years later.

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

Yeah.

[Host Natalie]

Their 100 years of leadership in that state has allowed government institutions and funding of organ harvesting and all sorts of horrible things in the state of New Mexico. Alisa, thank you for this. I guess we'll be watching very closely as this investigation unfolds. They have until July, I think, to submit their report. Their findings, I think. Is that right?

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

I believe it concludes in December, but they might have time to submit. But the. The commission concludes at the end of this year. And I would add also there are other elected officials just really quick to note that the property, the Zorra Ranch property, was sold by former governor, Democrat Gov. Bruce King, to Epstein. So the property was in the hands of the former governor. And then we have other Democrat members of the Senate, U.S. senate, current U.S. senator Martin Heinrich, who begged to meet with Epstein to support his Senate campaign, I believe, back in 2012, and other candidates that received money from. And I'm not sure whatever happened with that.

[Host Natalie]

Well, we're just starting to peel this onion back. It just keeps getting more rotten and more rotten. Lisa, thank you so much for your work on this and we really appreciate it and we'll stay in touch.

[Elisa Martinez (Former US Senate Candidate, New Mexico)]

Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

[Host Natalie]

Thanks, Elisa. Appreciate it.

[Co-host Philip]

All right, coming up, we're going to talk about what Epstein was doing during the 911 years. Why there's there is no documents and nothing there. Despite him being convicted before and on the government's radar before 9 11. There are documents. It's just. Was he on sabbatical? What was he up to? We're also gonna talk about why he was so interested in academia, the professoriate what was he doing? Not just again, for his sexual perversions, but also for his geopolitical aims. Before we do that, I wanna tell you about our friends over at Lear Capital. Because you know that gold and silver have retained their values despite a market correction recently, which we think was a purposeful perversion. They're still holding their value in a way that the US Dollar is not able and will not be able to do. Because again, we see our government spending through the roof. We see now military budgets, astronomical amount, $900 trillion military, defense budgets. We're just doing that. What is that? It's a theft from the common man. It means. Means that your American dollar is going to buy less and less and less. And in fact, I can't remember the name. We had an economist on the show recently who said, who predicts $30 McDonald hamburger. Like not even a Big Mac, but just $30 McDonald hamburger is coming because of the devaluation of the dollar. So if you have not learned to invest in precious metals, it is definitely not too late. Our friends at Lear Capital can teach you that. They can intend. They can teach you to invest in precious metals. Medals from all asset classes inside an ira, or having the medals in your house, or having notes on the medals, all of it. They can teach you the different bullion. They are there to answer all of your questions. And in fact, they have a free investor guide that will help get you going. If you go to learredacted.com you can get that free guide or call them. They literally just pick up the phone and have personable conversations. That's my experience working with Lear. You know, not as a representative, as of redacted, but as someone who just wanted to invest. So you can call them at 800-613-3557. You can get up to $20,000 in free bonus medals with a qualified purchase. So again, give them a call. Ask any old question you want. No, question is to Elementary 818-0061-33-3557 or go to Lear redacted.com.

[Host Natalie]

All right, let's talk about 9 11. This is a big sort of gaping hole in the entire story right now. We've covered Zorro Ranch. We've been covering the royal families. We've been talking. I mean, how many different angles have we been talking about as it relates.

[Co-host Philip]

To the Epstein story for weeks?

[Host Natalie]

Yeah, everything but one big gaping hole. Of course, missing is where was Epstein, Ghislaine, Maxwell, and their involvement on 9 11? And why are there so many documents missing? From the tranche of documents that was released during the timeframe like right before, during and after 911 nearly, according to some reports, upwards of of 25,000 different documents just not released by the Department of Justice. As it relates to 9 11. Does it have anything to do with Israel? Does it have anything to do with the CIA bringing down those towers? Does it have anything to do with the COVID up? We do know about the Shadow Commission that Ghislaine Maxwell was apparently invited to, whatever that is. So we wanted to unpack that today with Jason Burmes. He is an investigative journalist and independent journalist who's been looking at this closely of course of 20 truth teller in the 911 space. Jason, welcome to the show. Great to see you.

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Host Natalie]

So, a lot to unpack here. First of all, just your thought at a high level of why this information is just critically left out of the tranche of documents that we got from the Department of Justice.

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Well, getting into the gaps, there's also a very odd gap in the mid to late 90s and I would imagine that that gap may be there because we now have confirmation that Maria Farmer went to the FBI in 1996 on Epstein. So there's a possibility there was some kind of investigation there. As far as getting into what you're talking about, we'll bring up just a little visual. Since you've got me full screen, these are the large gaps. Now we know that although we have 3 million pages, they've announced that there are 2 1/2 million more. Now there's that gap in the late 90s and there are the financial gaps in that period pre 911 and post 9 11. And here's another graph for you right here to break down the fact that it seems like there are 15,000 ledger lines from the financing completely gone. Now a lot of this would be speculation, but the truth of the matter is that Epstein was very, very involved in the arms industry. It's one of the things that is not discussed widely about him. And all the way back into the Iran Contra network that was never really broken up. And you just mentioned Israel. Well, Israel actually bought the weapons from Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia and then shipped them down. They were part of that network. And there was actually a really great piece by the New York Times, although they tried to whitewash it, I would encourage people to read it. It's going to take you a while. But they did this just as the first trove of documents came out. And it's called Scam schemes, Ruthless cons the Untold Story of Jeffrey Epstein and how He Got Rich. Well, in that article they talk about two major relationships, Stanley Pottinger and Douglas Leese. And these people are intricately involved in what? Arms dealing. Now we're going to get into that shadow 911 commission document in a moment, but there is another document. Now this one is a lot harder to break down because we don't really have the names of who sent it and why they got it. And quite frankly a lot of it seems unhinged, but they certainly took it seriously. And if you look at this highly redacted document towards the bottom, if there is a grand jury on 91101 and Epstein, then Berman knows they connect. And of course they're talking about the SDNY prosecutor Jeffrey Berman, who obviously worked on a lot of the 911 cases as well. We know that Epstein not only worked in finances, but got financial tips on a global scale. For instance, we have that Lord Mandelson email where Lord Mandelson is telling Epstein about the $500 billion bailout for the European Union before it happens. Can you imagine types of things that you would be able to do with that information? And getting back to the arms dealing angle with Khashoggi, you know, that was one of the people's Pottinger lease Khashoggi. I don't think he ever stopped arms dealing. In fact, fact, if you go to this interview right here and I encourage people to go check out this clip as well with Lewis Black of all people, he talks about a dinner that he went to at Epstein's house and he actually went there with Bobby Slayton, who is now becoming notorious for being in one of the quote unquote pizza emails there. And he talked how Epstein took him into a room and he had a whiteboard up and he talked about discussing weapons systems with the Israeli Defense Minister. You see ahud, Barack, other than being the Prime Minister, was also the defense Minister. So big time arms and weapons deals there, you know what Prince Andrew did for the, for the uk, he was their arms dealer as well. So if you have a time period pre 9 11, pre DHS, where maybe Epstein is moving and shaking in these arenas with other people's names that may come up, that's something that you would like to keep from the public and just to kind of discuss how we celebrate our arms dealers in this country, especially ones with Israeli connections. And I know this sounds wild, but we do both. Arne Milken, big Hollywood guy, huge arms dealer, along with Sidney Pollock, another actor, director from Hollywood that a lot of people that are now becoming hip to this will know as the villain in Eyes Wide Shut of all movies. So, so I think the reason that a lot of these things are being kept under wrap is because that network has literally been going through the 80s, 90s, 2000s. We've had no real criminal accountability except for in Iran Contra where everybody got what, slap on the wrist pardons after the fact. And the face of that operation, Oliver north got book deals, became a TV star and made millions of dollars. That should let everybody know how these people are actually treated.

[Host Natalie]

Yeah, Fox News show and a Fox News contributor. Exactly.

[Co-host Philip]

Oh my God. Okay, so whatever is in that tranche of missing documents would be very telling. But I have to imagine he didn't just stop in, let's say 2002 talking about this kind of stuff. So we have to surmise that there are probably documents withheld in the other 3 million that would pertain to this because. Because it would be sort of proof positive of what he had already been capable of doing, what he knew. There has to be more that we just don't see. And we, we are being forced to fill in the gaps because it's so suspicious. But I guess let's spitball what we think, you know, he may have done to continue to leverage his knowledge of something that, you know, was perverted in the 911 Commission.

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Well, certainly if he had foreknowledge and then he let others know of foreign knowledge, he could have hung that over their head. But let's get into that Shadow Commission email because I think that's really important because it's not addressed to Epstein, who very much was involved in narrative management with his associates, the Leslie Groffs, the Sarah Kalin's etc. Contacting people. We have for instance, the Harvey Levin email where he's trying to get favorable stories in tmz. We have the Faith Cates emails where they're talking about Newsweek and paying for stories and planting stories. So that's why when Ghislaine Maxwell gets contacted by this gentleman, Edward J. Epstein, who is not related by the way, and it's a very short email, but you see he also has a website there. This is in the beginning of 2003, before the official 911 Commission has put together any interest on the Shadow Commission on 9 11, the membership list is secret. So it was tough for me to find anything on this, but he had actually put together a website on this, asking some of the questions that in my mind are a bit limited. Hangout for instance in this piece I was be able to pull up, he's questioning whether or not box cutters were used. Now I know that you guys have dived deep into 9 11. I've made two films on it myself. And when you talk about this gentleman, he was big into the JFK assassin. Okay? He literally not only put books out on it, but then like he would, he, he would make some questions. But for instance, in this New York times piece from 2008 he basically said after 40 years none of the theories have panned out. However, in regards to 911 and this is also interesting, he did a really great piece unraveling some of the inconsistencies in the anthrax attack. Another interesting note is that in 2010 it said that this guy, Mr. Epstein is currently completing a book on the 911 Commission. That book never came out. On top of that he is part of this little piece, he seems to defend Israel quite a bit. So in the Epstein emails we have this email and this should show you. This is a global network between Sultan Bin Salian and Jeffrey Epstein. And he says I am attaching to media clips regarding the Israeli operation in Dubai. I will call you around 7pm Eastern. What happened doesn't help anyone. So what they're actually talking about there is they're talking about an assassination that had taken place from the IDF or the Israeli Mossad on this Hamas member. And Epstein it seems in both cases is basically running PR for that campaign. You know your next segment is going to be on professors. It just so happens that this J. Edward Epstein, also a professor at mit, just like Noam Chomsky. So again these circles sometimes are a little tighter than you think, I would imagine. Again, this was about narrative management. You know, in one of these pieces that they have the six myths of 9 11, not only do they get in the box cutters, but also the mythos that the hijackers may have wanted to use crop dusting planes for bio attacks etc. But at the same time he always goes back to essentially the main line narrative. And that's why I think he was contacting Ghislaine Maxwell. Because although she likes to portray herself as a victim, if you dig just the slightest bit deep, you know, her and her family have been a part of narrative management on behalf of intelligence for years, especially with her father Robert.

[Host Natalie]

Oh my gosh. J. Edward Epstein, maybe you can unpack just before we let you go here, Jason, just that what this shadow commission would have done, if you can explain that, I mean it's sort of like an alternative in many ways to like the fake 911 Commission which of course was a whitewashing critical piece is left out on purpose. Total, you know, total hack job was the 911 Commission. Is that run in parallel?

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Well, I would imagine so, especially because some of the context now this email is from January, right. And one of those pages that websites from March so he absolutely gets this thing going. But when you're looking at whether or not there's another Epstein connection, turns out that although they tried to get Henry Kissinger as the chair of the commission, his co chair was going to be George Mitchell, the politician who had already been in a bunch of the Epstein files and accused of some of the abuse of these young girls going back, I don't know, a decade plus. Now it wasn't obviously out at the time of that commission but George Mitchell stepped down and certainly was connected to Epstein. So I would imagine that if we actually get these other two and a half million pages there will certainly be other information in there. But as you know, because of the, the massive amount of redactions that we really don't know what they're taking away, I'm unsure as to exactly how much we're going to get but certainly there are major connections that we can already make with what's going on now.

[Host Natalie]

Jason Burmas, man. Love having you on the show Jason. Thank you so much. And as this, as we get more documents here, hopefully if we get any more information, we'd love to have you back on here for sure. Where can people find your show and what you and what you cover on a regular basis?

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Yeah, you can check me out on YouTube. We're finally remonetized after almost six years. Took my channel five times, got it back every time. But go to my playlist section there, it's at Jason Burmes everywhere. And go check out my documentary films for free, especially on 9 11. Fabled enemies, loose Change, Final Cut and then if you want the bigger picture, you want to see about who these people in the Epstein network are. My films, Invisible Empire, A New World Order To Find and Shade the Motion Picture.

[Co-host Philip]

All right, very good. Thank you so much.

[Host Natalie]

Thank you so much.

[Co-host Philip]

I've never seen that, that tidbit about Epstein writing a book on 9 11. That's gold. I, I can't believe it.

[Host Natalie]

Why by the way, just real quick, Jason, I mean the guy couldn't even if you, if you read his emails, he doesn't even like punctuate his emails. Reading his sentence structure is just absolutely painful. This is like pre AI. How the guy. How's this guy gonna write us put a book together?

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Well, was it gonna be him that O.J.

[Host Natalie]

Edwards?

[Co-host Philip]

Oh, okay, okay.

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

That's why I wonder, because that's the guy that was putting the shadow commission of 911 together. He's connected. He's asking Ghislaine Maxwell. You know, as far as Epstein's communications, I would say this. You know, a lot of people out there have said he was a dupe. For years and years and years. I watched the two hours of that 15 to 18 hour Bannon interview. That's not what I saw. What I saw was a very intelligent guy that was connected to these same people I've been talking about for years. And really somebody that looks like a Kissinger or a Brzezinski behind the scenes in the financial arenas and beyond.

[Host Natalie]

Yeah. And a guy, he just doesn't take the time to write emails well. And he just. He's so. He's so busy. He's just sending fast emails, thoughts, stream of consciousness kind of stuff. But I think he was definitely a genius. That's for sure. For sure. Jason, great to see you. Thank you so much for this.

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Thank you.

[Assistant/Producer]

And I just want to say I've seen the loose change, the cut that you did, and it's really good. People should check it out. Yeah, yeah.

[Host Natalie]

Awesome. People go check it out on his channel at Jason Burmes on YouTube. Jason, great to see you, man. Thank you so much. So J. Edward Epstein dive more deeply into.

[Co-host Philip]

Okay, all right, we're gonna ask him a work about that coming up. And Noam Chomsky. Go ahead, Philip.

[Chemistry Expert]

I was just gonna say, I just feel like Jason came on and like took net of this web of intrigue and he just knitted us a sweater with it's beautiful.

[Host Natalie]

Web is the perfect way to describe it because I've been feeling like this is just such a massive web that we're trying to like unpack and see our way through. And we need great journalists and independent journalists like, like Jason and like our next guest, Kevork Almasian. Great journalists here to go through all of these different things.

[Co-host Philip]

There are some things where I feel like I can make this leap, okay. This person to this person. I get that. And then this, you know, the villain in Eyes Wide Shut, I feel like, oh my God, that's so. I need to sit with it for a little bit longer. I wonder if you feel that way. All right, we're gonna talk to Kevork in a Second, but for.

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[Co-host Philip]

Yes, I gotcha. I got you. All right, well, we know that Jeffrey Epstein was trying to, trying to influence academics. We have discussed that at length. Last week I showed you emails suggesting that he was trying to get them to write papers about sexual deviance and sort of validate that as his worldview in order to, you can complete that, I guess, dream fantasy. His calendar was filled with professors from mit, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia. Here is a short list of people that I was able to associate with the Epstein who are known academics, most of them who did in fact associate with Epstein after he had already been a convicted sex offender. Now, just so I don't get sued, I'm not accusing these people of anything outright. I'm just saying that again, these are known associates with regular contact with him prior to his sexual conviction as a predator. Most of them have issued their standard poor judgment, didn't know, you know, was introduced, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now this, this week I want to examine how Epstein and those around him were not just courting academics socially, but attempting to influence global policy, particularly with a war driven economic framework. Now we know that he had connections to weapons traffickers. We just talked about that in the previous segment. The question is why was he investing time and effort in these scholars with policy convictions. Now this is something I learned on Syriana analysis, which is Kevork Almassian show. If you haven't checked it out, please watch it. It's fantastic. Now Kevork and his colleagues are saying that Epstein was kind of a foreign policy drive by shooter, that if there was any anti war rhetoric, if there was any anti Israel rhetoric, here comes respected Noam Chomsky to kind of blow it up. And you know, that is what his work suggests. And now we see that he seemed to know about Epstein's proclivity for young girls. He said he had been fantasizing about going to the island. So Kevork, thank you for joining us today. Why don't you make the make the argument that you made on your show about how Chomsky was sort of validating all of this like Israeli policy rhetoric. And we are not surprised because.

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

Thank you very much for having me on the show. It's a really pleasure, if you allow me just for two minutes. Your previous respected guest mentioned mit and in the MIT there is a media lab. And this media lab was funded by Jeffrey Epstein and this Media Lab sent a person to Syria in 2011. His name is Basil Khartabeel. And this is an important topic nowadays, if we're following what is going on also in Iran, in order to distribute free Internet to the so called rebels in Syria. This was in 2011 and as we know now after 14 years after the war in Syria, that those so called democratic rebels were nothing but Al Qaeda fighters and Al Qaeda militants. So this Media Lab is sending operatives to Syria to give these so called rebels free Internet in order to organize themselves against the former Assad government in this case. And this person has been captured by the former Syrian government and he was accused of collaborating with enemy forces and espionage. And in the emails of Jeffrey Epstein, Joy Oti, who was the director of the MIT Media Lab, is asking Jeffrey Epstein if he knows anyone who could talk to Bashar Al Assad in order to release his guy from prison in Syria. And this guy has been executed in 2015 under the Syrian law of espionage and collaboration. And also he was accused of faking footage in the country. So Jeffrey Epstein's fingerprints is everywhere, as you mentioned, from the media into academia. And I think this is very relevant in the discussion of what is going on in Iran, for example, that the reports suggest from the Wall Street Journal that they have sent six to 7,000 Starlink devices to Iran for the rioters and for these democratic rebels again in the country. So the strategy is the same, the tools are different and the tactics are different. But in my opinion, people like Jeffrey Epstein embedding themselves with people who have influence over media, over academia and over science is not a coincidence. I think he has been tasked to embed himself to come close to these people in order to invest, invest in their projects. This is something very important in academia, which I myself learned after seven years in three different universities. For example, when you study in Syria or when you study in Lebanon or when you study in France, for example, where I studied in these different places, the academic knowledge that you're receiving is different. And this is based on, let's say, the ideology of the country, the governing the government, and also also the founders of these faculties and academias. Therefore, it is not a coincidence that Jeffrey Epstein has funded in this case some of the faculties, the scientists, and he had a very good relationship with Chomsky. Now, Chomsky I have been. Now for those who don't know, I come from in Syria. I was growing up in a left wing family in my academia in Syria was very anti imperialist and we were impressed and influenced by Chomsky's writings and Chomsky's, let's say, input into the world of political science and linguistics. Now, I never had doubts about him at all until this was in 2012. In 2012, I attended a graduation ceremony of the American University of Beirut, the Faculty of Political Science. And Chomsky gave a speech in 2012. And in this speech, he said that he actually told the story of his honeymoon in 1949 in one of the kibbutzes in Israel. And I started asking myself, why would Chomsky come to Lebanon in front of the political science grads and tell them the story of his honeymoon in an Israeli kibbutz in 1949, which means one year after the establishment of Israel and one year after the Nakba, which was 800,000 people, were ethnically cleansed from the indigenous people of Palestine, right?

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Yes.

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

So I started asking this question, why would he try to normalize this and try to tell the students that he was in Israel in 49, which was very controversial back in the day compared to now in 2025? Then Chomsky started, for example, questioning many other things, and one of which is, of course, the Syrian case in Syria. For example, he has a famous video saying that what is happening in Syria is a democratic revolution and Assad doesn't have a legitimacy and those rebels actually are trying to bring democracy to Syria. And this was in 2012. I was really mind boggling to see, see that Chomsky is pushing for Operation Timber Sycamore, which was a CIA led and Mossad led operation inside the country. In 2017, Chomsky makes a very important statement about Syria, again saying that the United States should not withdraw its forces from Syria. And back in the day, if you remember, Donald Trump wanted to withdraw the forces and the Pentagon and the CIA went against him. And Chomsky lobbied and intervened and weighed in to ask Donald Trump to keep forces inside Syria, saying that we have to stay there to protect the Kurds. This is what he said now, the Kurds, of course, I'm not attacking the Kurds at all. I'm just going to say, however, that the United States has established in 2017amilitia called SDF. The Syrian Democratic Forces mostly consist of Kurdish forces. And the reason for it was that Israel wanted to create a Kurdish entity in the eastern shore of the Euphrates, where Syria had most of its fuel and wheat and cotton and hydrocarbons, for example. So Chomsky, who has a track record of criticizing, let's say, US Forever policy, actually weighed in and asked the US to keep its forces inside Syria. And then comes Covid. During COVID Chomsky was, in my opinion, he had a very radical position on Covid. And he asked basically the people who are not vaccinated that they should be isolated at home and they should be isolated from society. I think those were big red flags, in my opinion, which raised a lot of question marks. Why would Chomsky push for a narrative that is one, one is in favor of the Israeli interests in the region. Two, in favor of the deep state in the United States, in the Middle east, and then in line with the corporations and the pharmaceutical industries who are trying to persuade and blackmail the people basically and force them to take the jabs. So I think all those question marks, combined with his position on 9 11, that we shouldn't question the official narrative of 9 11, I think those are clear indications that Chomsky was either influenced by people like Jeffrey Epstein or he was an operative all the time inside the ranks of the left wing. Because the left wing, in my opinion, is very important in the United States. And most of the anti war voices usually come from the left wing side. So him being embedded with this side, trying to channel the anger and the public opinion and the perception of the Americans and non Americans and actually into safe directions that the people would always blame only the United States for this catastrophic war, for example, in the region, and excuse Israel, or not to mention Israel, for example, in the war in Iraq after 911 and also the Operation Timber Sycamore in Syria. I think those were enough indications in my eyes when I read the emails of Jeffrey Epstein with Chomsky, that he was trying to divide the ranks of the left wings on one side and try to polarize the conversation in the United States by attacking, for example, Steve Bannon. Meanwhile, he's having a nice photo with Steve Bannon in Jeffrey Epstein's apartment and they are having a good time together. So I think in this case it is quite clear that Jeffrey Epstein didn't differentiate between who is left, left, who is right. He has invested in both sides because left and right are just a distraction and they want to create a homogeneous reactions from the people, whether you are left or right, into safe channels that would not pose a serious threat against the hegemony and the dominance of the planners in the United States. And those include of course, the Zionist lobby and the Israeli lobby. Apac.

[Co-host Philip]

Right. And it makes sense because so many people who are raised in academia, myself included, studies Chomsky. We hold him, held him up in high regard. And so if he says something we think, well, then if he says that, okay, you mentioned his opposition to the BDS movement, which was to boycott divest from Israel, and it was a peaceful movement to raise awareness around Palestinian apartheid. And he spoke out against, against that. When you would think because he was so critical of the Bush administration's aggression in the Middle east that he might pay a little attention to a peaceful movement. But that was another thing that he was there as a disruptor for. Right?

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

Indeed. I think this type of statements are very poisonous if you believe in accountability of Israel and also trying to pressure Israel in the different tools. For example, the financial tool is very important because what is the BDS about? The BDS is, is clearly saying that there are many of the Israeli companies and let's say factories and businesses are working on Palestinian territories and under international law, those are illegal businesses generating profits with billions of dollars per year in and recycling in the pockets of the Israeli government. And Israel is using this in its military campaign against the Palestinians to continue the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, not only from Gaza, but also from the West Bank. So the people said if we cannot fight against Israel militarily, then we have to find a peaceful way in order to exert pressure on the Israeli side in terms of its financial income, for example. And Chomsky jumping in into this conversation and trying to distract the movement or divide the movement again, I think it's a clear indication that Chomsky had malicious intentions by doing so. And I come from a place where I was a big fan of Chomsky, but I'm not disappointed. And I have to say this very clearly because I have lost my ability to get shocked or surprised by people any longer. We all had these people we could look up to. But in my opinion, the. The previous years and the experiences we have lived through, from the worst, from the pandemic or the alleged pandemic and many other incidences, have proven to us that many people also inside academia could be compromised and could be influenced, especially when there is money. Money can corrupt academia just like money can corrupt many other aspects. And in this case, the great example of, of Epstein investing in academia shows that the people behind Epstein, and this is something very important, that Epstein is just the handler who was executing the plan. And there is the empire above Epstein. And Epstein in this case, he was representing the darker forces above him and he was implementing several strategies actually. And most of the of them were coming into one direction, which is to create a network of people of Individuals in different sectors, including in science, including in academia, politics, finance, AI tech, etc. In order to create a bureaucracy that could function well. And this bureaucracy would serve the interests of the darker forces above him. And I think Chomsky has. It's a big disappointment what to say, but Chomsky has been proven that he has served the establishment in this case. And the people above Epstein and the emails clearly say, especially from his wife, that they considered Epstein the friend, the only best friend. And I think somebody like Chomsky cannot really claim that he didn't do his research, he didn't use his Google. I mean, I'm not naive enough to believe that Chomsky didn't do double research on Google, for example, or ask the Internet. I mean, I watched Joe Rogan the other day. Joe Rogan said that he was also invited to, to meet with Jeffrey Epstein. And he said, I went to Google and I typed Jeffrey Epstein. I said, shit, who is this person? I don't want to meet him. If a podcaster can do his research and come to that conclusion, there is no excuse for Chomsky, in my opinion.

[Co-host Philip]

Right. And you had in one of your shows alluded to the fact that his wife may have been purposely, I don't want to say purposely placed, but she does seem to have certain questionable Zionist connections and she came along in his life. She's not his first wife that they had the Nakba honeymoon. So romantic. She's a second wife and now she's speaking for Chomsky because he is not in, in good health and he's, he's quite aged. And so I guess let's, let's talk about some alleged suspicions about her role in, in facilitating this because she's acting like she's not named there and she.

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

Is actually, we don't know much if she was someone who entered the life of Chomsky in order to compromise him. But we know that after the emails that Chomsky basically has allocated all his wealth and all his assets in the name of the wife. And this was a reason for the family rift inside Chomsky's family, including his disagreement now and let's say a family rift which led that his children basically not having good relationship with their father. So I think this is the only thing we have at the current moment about his wife. The rest are just speculations. But the emails between the wife of Chomsky and Epstein also is a clear evidence that they had a very good relationship. And she considered him someone who is the friend of the family Somebody they can rely on, on their finances, on their taxes, but also Epstein relying on them for analysis and also information. Now, now, many people, of course, mentioned that Epstein wanted advice of Chomsky, how to deal with his reputation when it came to the accusations against him, and then he was convicted. However, it goes beyond that. In one of the emails, for example, Chomsky is explaining to Epstein the situation in the Middle East. He's giving him his opinion, and he is indicating, indicating that, for example, in the war in Syria, the intervention of the Russian forces against the Al Qaeda militants was legally correct. Like under the law, they had the right to intervene, but it is morally criminal and they shouldn't proceed in fighting against these rebels. Although in the same email, if you go just in the next sentence, he's mentioning that the vast majority of the fighters were Al Qaeda and ISIS fighters, and the they are funded by the Gulf countries. So which one is it? If the Russians intervene in Syria to fight against this, what you call them, terrorists, ISIS and Al Nusra is criminal, despite the fact that the intervention was legal and constitutional under international law and under the Syrian law, then why would Chomsky also analyze the situation in Syria into the direction that the situation in Syria is, that we have to change? And those are the democratic rebels in the country. And this is allegedly led to Epstein and Barak coordinating together Ehud Barak to try to persuade Putin to abandon Assad in Syria. And this is in another email that Ehud Barak and Epson allegedly met with officials in Russia in order to persuade them to leave Syria alone. But if they leave Syria alone, who. Who would take over the country? It is Israel, right? It is Israel. It is Turkey and other regional powers, which means Chomsky has given also political advice to Epstein which would lead to the advancement and the occupation of the Israeli forces of Syrian territories, which happened right after Assad was ousted from power. When Assad fled the country. Few hours later, Israel occupied territories in Syria bigger than the Gaza Strip. And they have occupied the highest hill in Syria overlooking Palestine, Lebanon and Syria. They have taken over the water resources, they have taken over all the strategic kills. And eventually the capital of Syria, in the military sense, has fallen, because now Israel can fire against Damascus with an howitzer because their forces are stationed 20 kilometers away from the capital of Syria. So all in all, when you see all this context and all this information that we are in our hands sense, I'm finding a very hard time to give any excuses or justifications for Chomsky. And in this case, I have to Mention that there are, of course, some people still want to say that we cannot really forget what Chomsky has presented to us in terms of academia. I don't disagree with them, but we should draw a line. There has to be a moral line when it comes to people who have had a positive, let's say, input in the academic sphere. We cannot really rely on and continue respecting people who have this shady relationship, especially when it comes to abuse of children and blackmailing people, compromising them. And this island basically was a place where politicians and heads of states were compromised. For whose interest? For the interests of Israel. Right. And this is when the factor of Chomsky comes into the discussion, and that is Chomsky has had a very good relationship, not only with Epstein, but also with Ehud Barak, who was the prime Minister of Israel, and he allegedly trained Epstein to become spy. So if we connect all these thoughts, it becomes really hard for any, in my opinion, person with. With a little bit of morality to give any excuses to Chomsky. I think I'm happy. I'm sorry if may this sound a little bit brutal. I'm happy if that he is still alive. I hope he is listening and hearing what is going on around him, or his wife has told him what is going on. I think this would be a very small justice for what he has done to the movement, to the left wing movement, but also with his collaboration with Epstein.

[Co-host Philip]

Yeah, I guess the lesson for us is be careful with hero worship. Right. So you might trust somebody, but you always have to leave room to think for yourself. And that's where we have to be right now. So I trust you. I really have been enjoying your analysis of the Epstein files. Please, everybody, follow Sirion analysis. It's fantastic.

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

Thank you so much, Natalia, for having me.

[Host Natalie]

Thank you so much, Kalita.

[Co-host Philip]

Okay, I said I have no hero worship, but I trust Kevor, but I think for myself. But I really want to, like, let me just keep doing that.

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

Yes.

[Host Natalie]

No, Kevork is great. So thank you. Great work as always. People in the chat room saying, great interview. Kevork is fantastic. Kevork always brings the receipts. So thank you so much. All right. Yeah. Hey, we're going to take some of your super chats here in a second. We're going to get to all of that, but first, if you manage a crew, a construction team, H Vac, landscapers, whatever, you already know. Hey, when you guys pay for gas and materials, it causes all types of issues. Cards get borrowed. Trucks fuel up when they're parked in the Yard. Your accountant is chasing you for receipts at the end of the month. Well, coastpay fixes all of that. That's right. Coastpay is the modern fuel card and expense management tool built for fleets. This isn't software built by someone who's never run a crew. Fuel maintenance materials are now all on one card with real control and instant visibility. And unlike old fuel cards, coast works everywhere. Visa is accepted. Even gas stations. Every brand, every time. Your drivers aren't detouring just to find the one gas station that takes your card. I know my, I, I told, I told my father in law, he runs a huge landscaping company in California. He was saying that he would have to go to one gas station. They had drive out of their way to go to this one gas station that would take their car cruise fuel card. And I said, you guys got to check this out. You guys got to check out Coast. And he's been super happy with it. So coastpay.com redacted is the place to go. Go to coastpay.com redacted get a free gas for a whole day when you get started. Yes, Coast Pay is offering listeners free gas for a whole day when you get started. Go to coastpay.com redacted and the Coast Visa commercial credit card is issued by Kelly. All card accounts are subject to credit approval. So check them out. Coastpay.com redacted all right, let's take some super chats here and see if I can put these up on the screen. It's not working, but there we go. Now it's working. All right. Hey, please invite Ryan DAWSON on to talk 911. Yeah, I know. Ryan's done incredible job. We've covered so many different angles of 911 and we've done entire like documentaries. We've done entire day, multiple day long live streams about it and so with people from the 911 Truth organization and so many more. So yeah, but if there was like a new angle that we could cover. Absolutely. Let's see. Imagine what it was in the 33,000 emails from Hillary. Can you only imagine we never got to see them. Right. And James Comey didn't think it was necessary to let us see them. Right. Natalie, you need to watch Empire of the Sun, Steven Spielberg's movie about the Japanese invasion of Shanghai during World War II. Made in 1987. I saw that movie in the theater. I remember just being haunted by that movie. That's one of those movies. You have those movies as a kid where you're just like, it's just emblazoned in your brain. Empire of the sun is one of those movies just. I'll never forget. I'll never forget that movie. Snow Drifter says Tucker Carlson is saying some of the files are fake. His name is in the files after his interview with Hadley Gamble, who bears a strange resemblance to Epstein. No faith in Tucker, who was on the menu in Dubai. I don't know about that. I don't know if you're Snow Drifter, what you're saying about that. I can text him right now and ask him about that, but I don't know what files he's like there. His name is mentioned many times in the files because there's so many people referencing, like, his show. Like, they were like, hey, did you see Tucker Carlson Tonight? Last night. His show last night. And so, like, his name is there a lot. Because people in the files are referencing something they watched on Tucker's show the night before. But I don't know what. What stuff is fake. Where did you hear that? He said something is fake. I'll ask him about that. Let's see. Los Alamos. Thank you, Lawrence, for your $2 super chat. Los Alamos, to the northwest of Santa Fe. Yeah, I mean, New Mexico. I mean, the heart of the Zorro Ranch area. Chili Pepper says, amazing journalism today, even though I feel ill. Yeah, I know. I do, too. Silicon Sage. Thank you for your four dollar super chat. Logan Missiak says, look at the giant circle at Zorro Ranch. It looks strikingly similar to the Gil Gilgal refium located in Israel. Very strange, huh? Oh, look at that. That's interesting. Declassify the. Declassify the list, I think you mean. Right. Thank you. Big thank you so much for your super chat. Oh, referring to the investigation in New Mexico. Tell her to pick her own investigators. And Chili Pepper says, does the acid dissolve the entire body, including bones? I think sulfuric acid definitely does. Yeah. I think.

[Chemistry Expert]

I don't have personal experience, but yes, sulfuric acid. If it's a high enough molarity, will do.

[Host Natalie]

So you were a little too quick to answer that. Sulfur. Like, it's. It's working right now.

[Chemistry Expert]

I mean, I've heard.

[Host Natalie]

Does sulfuric ac. It dissolve Bones Phillips like. Yes, it does. Well, I think. I'm not sure.

[Chemistry Expert]

I mean, just I, To. To. To put a caveat on that. I. I was minored in molecular. In analytical chemistry and I majored in molecular biology and colored. So it's not like.

[Host Natalie]

Yes, it's not like.

[Chemistry Expert]

I know because of my, My drug Kingpin ties.

[Host Natalie]

It's, you know, your chemical from your Breaking Bad times, for sure. Had you ever watched Breaking Bad, one of the greatest shows of all time?

[Chemistry Expert]

I did, but like a lot of shows, I just, for whatever reason, it's hard for me to watch shows because I'll get. I think it's maybe the fourth or fifth season. Same thing with Game of Thrones. And I just, all of a sudden I'm like, you know what? I don't really care. And then I just never watch it again.

[Host Natalie]

That show, I think it's five seasons. It's like the perfect bow on it. Finish it up. Perfect ending. Probably one of the best written shows ever. Just from beginning in. And just if you can get, you know, I. I know what you're saying. I was the same way with, like, that severance show, like, Love. We love the first season, Natalie and I, we watched it. And then second season, we kind of watched like the first two episodes and we're kind of like, all right, there was like almost two years in between the seasons were released, and we're kind of like, kind of don't care now, you know, so stop watching it. See any other super chats come in here? I think that's it. I think that's it for the rumble rants and super chats. So they all come in here, right? Rumble rants and super chats, right?

[Assistant/Producer]

Yep, yep.

[Host Natalie]

I don't think we got any rumble rants, just all super chats say, here's. Here's a rumble rant. Yeah, I would love this. My war says two dollar rumble rant. Clayton needs to team up with Uncanny Adventures and spend a week exploring and looking for UFOs. Yes. We are trying to get together with Eric Burleson, Representative Burleson, and to do a deep dive into all of this latest UFO revelations. And they're confirming what we had reported here many months ago about the large underground arcs and crafts that are under the ground inside multiple locations. And now Eric Burleson, Stephen Greer, and others are confirming, like, massive, massive UFO craft that they've built structures around, like in South Korea, specifically one in Oklahoma. So we've had whistleblowers on the show that have talked all about that, for sure. I would love to go and hang out with and do something like that. That would be fantastic. Man, my eye is a little itchy here. Redacted, Lima said Lil Max is redacted for a Pulitzer. Much respect. Thank you so much. That's kind of a you. There are so many walking, talking MK Ultra Plants going on shows right now. Watch out. By the way, I love your logo. Game Boy, Lethal Weapon box. That's awesome. That's awesome. So many walking, talking mt.

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

You're.

[Host Natalie]

Well that's, that's fascinating. You say that. And I've talked to different MK Ultra whistleblowers who have like not wanted to come on my show. They've. Well, they want to, but they can't. And they're just like too much would happen to them. So I, you know, talk to them in private through different sources and multiple conversations over the years. So I'd be curious, who are the MK Ultra plants that have been popping up on certain shows? That would be really interesting to know. Certainly interesting. And that's the thing with the UFO topic. You have to be, you know, again, going back to Paul Benowitz and those stories, you have to be very curious and think about Mirage Men, right? The, the book Mirage Men and of course the, the movie, the documentary made about the same topic, you know, and yeah, so you have to, you have to be careful about that stuff because there's intentional, you know, like many kernels of truth that they then infiltrate and add in lies in order to discredit and change the narrative. So it's, it's deeply troubling. Deeply, deeply troubling. Let's see here. Stephen Greer is a corporation goblin. I don't know. There are nephilim. Yes, there are. There are Nephilim, gull for sure. Who are you talking about here? Faith says I researched everything. Listen to everyone and I'm sorry, you're believing the nonsense about him. Who are you talking about? Everything. I don't know. Chomsky maybe. Is that what you're talking about? Faith Chomsky? I don't know. Raw. Laura lost my friends, supposedly Christian or born again after stating the obvious on October 7th. I know well the Christian Zionists and if you dive into the Scofield Bible and you realize what a hack and a con artist Scofield was and his ties to Christian Zion, his ties to the Zionist movement. Natalie just finished reading a book on Scofield and it's just crazy. It's absolutely crazy. Like so many, like how they've so many of these, you know, so called Christians, like use the Scofield Bible and it's written by a total con artist. Like if you understand the history of this guy and his ties to 40 years, 50 years before Israel has even started. Zionists are basically influencing him and pushing him and funding him to push out this fake Bible that has to hold up Israel in the same words as Christianity. It's crazy. It's crazy. And there's so many, it's unbelievable. There's so many people that have just fallen for it. So we're going to do a deep dive on that and that's going to piss a lot of people off. We have, we have neighbors, we have friends. They're incredible. They're Christian and they, they said you wouldn't believe. They came from Texas and they said you wouldn't believe. Like the mind, the brainwashing of the people in Texas that are just so all in on the like Judeo Christian or Christian Zionist movement. Like, they're so tied into the Scofield Bible. If they only knew like what a hack job and a con artist the guy Schofield was. It's pretty, pretty crazy. Sorry, I didn't, I didn't text, I didn't text Tucker. I was texting him about something else earlier with regards to Hannity, actually. But anyway, I don't know if you saw that Hannity is getting his own long form podcast show. And I tweeted about this a short time ago and said, oh, I sure hope that Hannity's long form podcast called like un. It's called like Unfiltered or something like that. Or Hang out with Sean Hannity. It's what it's called. Let me see if I can pull this up here. Right here.

[Assistant/Producer]

Like his very own CNN plus.

[Host Natalie]

Yeah, exactly. Let me just close this out. A different side of Sean Hannity. Long form personal, unfiltered. Hang out with Sean Hannity launching March 3rd. Hang out with Sean Hannity. They're trying to turn. So they realize, so here's the thing, right? Fox News, like, they realize they're losing. They're losing out to people like Tucker and Joe Rogan and shows like ours, like long form content.

[Assistant/Producer]

The pod father himself, Dan Bongino.

[Host Natalie]

Right, right. And so they're trying, now they're to, trying, trying to do this for Fox News. They're trying to. So I said, I guarantee, first of all, I wonder if he's going to wear his CIA pin, you know, because he's. Let me show. By the way, you guys can follow me on Twitter if you'd like. Here's my Twitter. But I posted this a little while ago. Sorry. I was taking down this other member of Congress, Mike Davis. Oh my God. Making fun of Nancy Mace. Sorry. Here we go. Oh, thank God. I wonder if he'll wear his CIA lapel pin during interviews. I posted because he likes to wear his CIA pin on Fox News. You're gonna watch a show with a guy who's literally like a CIA asset. Okay. And I said, I guarantee you his first guest, his first guest is gonna be Trump because he's up his ass. Right. So he's absolutely gonna have Trump be on as his first guest for a long form interview to kick the show off. Guaranteed. I will either. Yeah. Someone said in the chat, either him or like Pompeo, like that's going to be hand to the heavens, that's going to be his first guest or like J.D. vance or something. But I think it'll be Trump. I think it'll be Trump for sure. Tony says Hannity is Mockingbird Media.

[Chemistry Expert]

For sure.

[Host Natalie]

Yeah. I mean, it's not even. I don't think it's even a question. Right.

[Kevork Almasian (Syriana Analysis Host)]

It's.

[Host Natalie]

Someone said in the chat it's going to be 50 minutes of him telling people how great he is. Yes, exactly. A pro. Israel Cuck.

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Yeah.

[Host Natalie]

Oh, for sure.

[Jason Burmes (Investigative Journalist)]

Yeah.

[Host Natalie]

Anyway, yeah, that's what Tucker and I were texting about a little while ago anyway. But no, I didn't ask him about the files, but I will. So, anyway, thank you guys for joining us. Hey, we got a big show lined up for you tomorrow. It's gonna be great. Ian Carroll's gonna be here and also Whitney Webb is gonna be joining us at the end of the week. So we've got a couple of big shows lined up for you for the rest of the week. I'm really excited about all of that. People saying, yeah, you're gonna watch the Hannity show. No, not gonna watch the Hannity show. So thank you, guys. Hey, we should let you know we have a daily newsletter. It's totally free. I would love for you to sign up for it. If you just go to redacted.inc. and put in your email address, you will receive the email, the welcome email. And you have to click. You have to click on it and say that, yes, you do want to receive the email and then move it over to your inbox. Because Gmail likes to label us as as dangerous. And they might put it in your spam folder or they might label it and put a dangerous label on it. So if you're a Gmail user and we know from our numbers that like 70% of you are Gmail users. So as much as you know, Google is friends with the CIA, you know, they label our newsletter as dangerous. So just be careful about that. But yeah, go to redacted.inc it's not.com. put in your email address, sign up, and you'll receive tomorrow week, Wednesday morning, the newsletter delivered right to your inbox. We cover, like four or five of the big stories of the day, and we try to cover the stories the mainstream media is totally ignoring. Like, we're barreling towards war with Iran right now. Sources in the Middle east telling me today that this is one of the largest buildups they've seen since the Gulf War of U.S. military presence in that region right now. That looks like, like Normandy preparations for an invasion of some kind. So massive amounts. And I. I have very specific battle group movements and everything else that my sources have been sending me. So here we go. Here we go. Regime change as they want to take down the Iranian government. That's exactly what's about to happen. And that's why the lesbian Lindsey Graham was in Israel. He's there right now, probably carrying out encrypted messages because, you know, can't have those messages, I wonder, transmitted.

[Assistant/Producer]

I wonder if they recreate his mom's basement over there for him to feel comfortable.

[Host Natalie]

I almost spit out my seltzer water. Yeah. No, someone says. I can't scroll up on this thing. Unfortunately, things disappear. Someone said something about Tucker lost all credibility when he went on TP usa. Did he. Did he lose all.

[Assistant/Producer]

I think tp tpusa lost all credibility when he went on there, in my opinion.

[Host Natalie]

I guess. I don't know. I mean, just because he gave a speech in front of people kind of honoring Charlie. I don't know. Like, how did that. How did he lose all credibility? I don't know.

[Assistant/Producer]

It was kind of a protest speech, really, if you think about it. Because Charlie wanted him there and they tried to. Everybody else tried to cancel him, and because they knew, like, it was so public what Charlie thought about Tucker, they had no choice but to let him on. So it's kind of. I thought it was good because it was a protest speech.

[Host Natalie]

Yeah. And, like, people like Laura Loomer, you know, and Mark Levin and these people who, like, how dare TP USA have Tucker on there? You know? Anyway, I don't know. I don't know. All right, everyone, thank you guys so much for joining us on this Tuesday. We'll see you tomorrow here live at 4pm Eastern Time. Tomorrow we're live every day Monday through Thursday at 4pm Eastern Time on YouTube, Rumble and X. Have a great night, everyone.

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