EVERYTHING We know about the Universe is Wrong, NASA physicist just exposed it all

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Redacted News Podcast Summary

Episode Title:

EVERYTHING We Know About the Universe Is Wrong, NASA Physicist Just Exposed It All

Date: December 29, 2025
Host: Clayton Morris (Redacted.inc)
Guest: Dr. Waiping Yu (NASA physicist, Crew Spacecraft Subsystem Manager, co-host, A Neighbor's Choice podcast)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Redacted News explores the possibility that core scientific concepts relating to our understanding of the universe—especially in physics—are fundamentally flawed or incomplete. Host Clayton Morris invites Dr. Waiping Yu, a physicist at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center, to discuss everything from anti-gravity technology and the existence of advanced extraterrestrial craft, to a radical new theory on the true building blocks of the universe, challenging the validity of core models such as the electron and even quantum mechanics. The conversation is a mind-bending mix of skepticism towards mainstream science, open speculation about hidden technologies, and the presentation of Dr. Yu’s alternative view of how the universe really works.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Are We Alone in the Universe and What Tech Exists?

• Clayton introduces recurring evidence and testimonies that suggest non-human craft and even alien bodies have been uncovered and are now part of congressional records.
• NASA footage and military whistleblower claims cited as strong evidence for advanced, non-terrestrial technologies.

“Everybody with a brain knows this unless you're being willfully ignorant about it.” – Clayton (01:41)

2. Three Eye Atlas (3i Atlas) - Alien Craft or Natural Phenomena?

• Discussion around the 3i Atlas object near Earth: some claim it’s a recurring alien “craft” tied to ancient structures on Mars.
• Dr. Yu notes NASA calls it a comet, emphasizing skepticism that biological beings could survive such journeys—if anything, the vehicle might be robotic.

“I do believe we have aliens ... but whether aliens can be traveling themselves ... I believe it could have robotic beings.” – Dr. Yu (06:36)

• Dr. Yu finds the object's shape and motion peculiar but leans toward natural explanations: “could be natural phenomena ... it's similar to comets.” (10:04)

3. Advanced Propulsion: Anti-Gravity & Magnetic Forces

• The conversation pivots to how reported UFOs violate the known limits of physics, particularly their acceleration and maneuverability.
• Dr. Yu argues the observed feats are not only physically possible but point to “anti-gravity propulsion”—a technology he claims is within reach and essentially involves harnessing magnetic forces.

“I do believe anti gravity propulsion is real ... I'm a firm believer anti gravity technology is right at the door.” – Dr. Yu (14:34, 17:40)

• Dr. Yu describes purchasing a small anti-gravity device—privately, not via NASA—as proof of concept: it can levitate when energized via high-voltage electricity and ultrasound (18:42).

4. The True Source of All Energy

• Dr. Yu expounds that all energetic phenomena in the universe—solar, chemical, nuclear—reduce fundamentally to magnetism.

“All energies only from one source power the universe ... magnetism only.” – Dr. Yu (20:04)

• Magnetism, according to Yu, is behind both electricity and gravity; gravity, in his view, is a “magnetic phenomenon.”

5. Plasma, Lasers, and the Disappearance of MH370

• The discussion references plasmoid technologies (orb-shaped electromagnetic weapons) and the viral theories surrounding the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370.
• Dr. Yu says high-powered directed energy weapons (like lasers) can, in principle, manipulate objects and possibly explain mysterious disappearances if one accepts the evidence.

“This is so called high directional weapon … high power means ... they combined all the one day because they directed.” – Dr. Yu (27:25)

6. UAPs/UFOs, NASA, and Openness

• Clayton asks about internal NASA attitudes: Dr. Yu claims most NASA colleagues privately accept extraterrestrial life is plausible, if not probable.

“Among my colleague ... they think about it the same way as me, that we are not alone.” – Dr. Yu (33:07)

• Regarding NASA’s sometimes-criticized secretive behavior (e.g., ISS video feeds shutting off), Dr. Yu insists NASA overall is open, with any redaction tied to national security, not deception.

“I personally ... have not seen any purposeful ... deceive the public. No. NASA is the best, most open organization I ever worked with in my life.” – Dr. Yu (35:12)

7. Radical Physics: “Everything We Know Is Wrong”

Dr. Yu’s Three Keys to Unlocking the Universe (45:00–78:00)

a. The Non-Existence of Electrons, Protons, etc.

• Dr. Yu claims that commonly accepted fundamental particles—like electrons, protons, quarks—do not and cannot exist as we are taught.
• He argues the standard atomic and quantum models are “garbage” built on a foundational error.

“So first page we said atoms composed of electron and the nucleus. Exactly. Wrong.” – Dr. Yu (47:32)

b. Photon as a Fictitious Concept

• He further claims photons are not real; light is not particulate but a wave that moves through a “magnetic medium” (akin to the old ether).

“Photon is completely ... does not exist. Light basically is a wave motion ... you need to have a medium ... I call them magnetic medium.” – Dr. Yu (50:35)

c. The Universe Is Built from a Single Type of Particle: The Magnetic Dipole

• Yu’s ultimate claim: everything is built from the magnetic dipole—tiny magnets with a north and south pole.

“Only one particle, magnetic particle ... just a little magnet. This is the only particle can exist in this universe.” – Dr. Yu (52:24)

• He demonstrates why ‘monocharge’ particles (solely positive, negative, or neutral) are self-contradictory, and only dipoles can be stable and self-consistent at every scale.

Consequences and Implications

• If Dr. Yu is correct, the quantum mechanical model collapses: “Quantum mechanics ... is garbage. The same language as you.” (52:24)
• Every atomic and subatomic process, including nuclear energy releases, are simply magnetic repulsion events, not splitting electrons.
• The value of this paradigm: dramatic simplification and the possibility of vast energy and propulsion breakthroughs.

8. Impact on Space Technology & Propulsion

• Under Yu’s model, future rockets and space missions could be powered by anti-gravity via electromagnetic “rail gun” style launches—no need for propellant, saving 98% of current launch mass and cost (63:54).

“The solution is if we use anti gravity technology ... basically we just use real gun ... electromagnetic propulsion ... we do not consuming any chemical propellant and we can launch them ... faster and cheap.” – Dr. Yu (63:54)

• Elon Musk is mentioned; Yu says he has tried to reach out, believing this paradigm could render chemical rockets obsolete.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the non-existence of the electron:
  “I will tell you, it does not exist ... so neither positron and proton can exist. What that means? That means the atom model ... will be wrong ... quantum mechanics ... will be completely wrong.” – Dr. Yu (47:15–48:40)

• On questioning education:
  “Everything I've learned in school was a joke then ... everything I learned in science class was a joke.” – Clayton (61:44)

• On building the universe:
  “It makes sense ... the only particles that exist are just little magnet particles.” – Clayton (52:32)

• On impact for technology:
  “We can reduce this by 98% weight and effort and use only ... electricity. You do not consuming any other substance.” – Dr. Yu (66:16)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening discussion; UAPs, government secrecy – 01:00–04:43
• 3i Atlas discussion (Astro-physics vs. alien theory) – 04:48–10:04
• Propulsion tech, anti-gravity, magnetic universe – 14:34–22:38
• Plasmoid/laser weapons, MH370, and directed energy – 25:52–29:38
• NASA culture, internal beliefs – 32:22–35:33
• Fundamental physics challenged: three keys – 45:00–78:13
• Energetics, quantum mechanics, atomic structure – 53:33–74:42
• Implications for spaceflight, outreach to Musk – 62:55–66:36

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Flow and Tone

The tone throughout is probing, open-minded, and at times deliberately incredulous—Clayton acts as surrogate for average listeners, repeatedly voicing disbelief as Dr. Yu shatters scientific orthodoxy. Yu himself is earnest, occasionally technical but always keen to make his ideas accessible and disruptive. The dialogue is dynamic, punctuated by humility on both sides and a willingness to pursue paradigm-shifting ideas to their (radical) conclusions.

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Closing Thoughts

The episode ends with Clayton marveling at the “world turned upside down” by Dr. Yu’s alternative physics, promising a future Q&A to address inevitable listener questions. Dr. Yu’s central thesis — that the universe is made far more simply than tradition allows, with paradigm-shattering implications for science and technology — is presented as both challenge and revelation to anyone willing to reconsider everything they learned in school.

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Transcript

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[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Guys. Getting the image. Copy that. Clear seven, go ahead. This is Houston. Say again seven. It Just seems to be tagging along with us. Houston, we got, we got somebody out the front window with a pair of binoculars and a zoom lens.

[Clayton]

We're trying to get a pretty good.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Idea on this thing. And we copy that.

[Clayton]

So of course, we're not alone. But now the real question is, what kind of advanced technology does our government have in its possession from, from these alien craft? What have we been able to reverse engineer? How are we currently using it? How do we currently understand the laws of physics? Has the laws, have the laws of physics been turned on their head? You know, understanding anti gravity propulsion, quantum mechanics, all of that? And when will we all get to see it? When will us little people get to see it while I still have to drive four hours in my diesel powered car? Or can I use some of this advanced propulsion technology that our government has? Well, we thought we'd bring in Dr. Waiping Yu today for a deep dive discussion. Dr. Yu is a physicist. He's also a NASA crew spacecraft subsystem manager, and he's literally at Kennedy Space center as we speak in Florida. He's also the co host of a Neighbor's Choice podcast, and he joins us now from Kennedy Space Center. Dr. Yu, great to have you here on the show.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Thank you, Clayton, for having me. It's my honor to be here with your audience.

[Clayton]

Well, thank you so much. You're here at an interesting moment because 3i Atlas is approaching Earth and on December 19th hit its closest point to Earth. And there's a lot I want to unpack with this because I don't know where you guys come down on the NASA side of things. I've spoken to members of the secret space program and others who have told me that Three Eye Atlas may look like a comet, but this thing has been here before hundreds of thousands of years ago, that this has been here and also is related to the structures on Mars. So what is sort of like the official maybe NASA position on this? And, and do they kind of put a tape over your mouth? Dr. Yu, hey, you're not allowed to talk about this. Are you allowed to talk about it? Tell me what you think.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Actually, I do allow to talk about it. I do not believe NASA's official position, you know, from the public announcement. So NASA do not believe that's an alien vehicle or alien spacecraft. So that's something which I, which I personally do believe. I do not believe biological human being, even though it's, it's from alien craft, biological human being cannot survive on this kind of long term intergalactic trip. Okay, I hope that makes sense to you.

[Clayton]

Right, right, right. So you don't believe that there's human beings on board or that there's biologics on board in the way that we maybe know about it sort of publicly.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

It could be if I'm not seeing this particular case. But in general, I do believe we have aliens. If Earth can have human beings, biological human beings, and I believe of course it could happen in many, many places at the right condition, similar to solar condition, we should have aliens. But whether alien can be traveling themselves or if they are more advanced than Earth, you know, people Earth, so they may. I believe it could have robotic beings.

[Clayton]

You know, so some sort of a robotic being on, on board, or maybe there's even some sort of inner chamber atmospherically that would protect them in some capacity. Again, I've spoken to insiders who said that this is not the first time that this craft, Three Eye Atlas has been near Earth. That hundreds of thousands of years ago it was here connected in many ways to the structures on Mars. So what do you find so odd? Is there anything that stands out to you from a NASA perspective or just from a physics perspective that is very strange about 3i Atlas, you know.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

You know, of course the, the shape is not a normal spherical shape. Right. So could make people, you know, because normally we see all spherical shape. That's the most stable structure in the universe. Spherical. It's a spherical. That means a charge or magnetic balance the shape. So that's, that's one about this you mentioned about hundreds of thousands of years. I would think this actually is another surprise. This is a similar to comics, you know, or asteroids, you know, they do have a periodically, you know, motion, you know, around the solar system we see so many. But instead of a spherical object, so this is maybe oval, you know. Yeah.

[Clayton]

What about the way that it's traveled? Is there anything about its pattern that has been interesting to you?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

One of the pattern is because it has a comic like of a feature. Right. So that's why sometimes is that a new comic? You know, one thing about a comic is different than a regular spherical object comic feature. It can create especially go through instead of a spherical orbit around the sun, it can just like seems like I'll travel towards the sun. You know what that happens. Create the comic lighting, you know, the comic tails. So, so, so that's, that's whenever you, you see, create comic tails. Not a regular spherical object. I can tell this is an irregular object. So that's why can generate light waves and especially towards the sun. Solar has a strong magnetic field, right? If you cross outside and crash inside of a solar magnetic field you generate a huge tails like this come I I do not believe that periodical motion have anything to do with aliens.

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[Clayton]

About 3i Atlas that you think challenges sort of standard assumptions about how objects form around stars.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

There's many ways to say that one but I do not have a specific theory to say. I just say hey, this object that may be similar to comics the comic formation, you know, kind of create a similar phenomena. So I, I do not have a particular story probably you know words than.

[Clayton]

I do so well no, it's been fascinating because you know, at first I was like oh this is, this is simply a comet. And then as I've been hearing from individuals again who have, have been on these triangular shaped craft who have been on the moon base. I know this, you know, might be shocking to a lot of people, but have, you know, told me that yeah, it's been here, it was here hundreds of thousands of years ago and there's a lot more to the story. So just curious what that is for you when you look at what's going on right now from an, from, from an astronomy perspective. What are the most exciting discoveries that you've seen maybe in the past few months from NASA, from, from astronomy, from from astronomers around the world who are looking deep into space. What, what stands out to you? Is it some sort of a black hole? Myst other things that really are piquing your interest right now?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

I do have an interest to the UFO sightings or the images. You know the pictures images are taken by military. I do have a huge interest and especially mentioned about you know the traveling speed right that kind of traveling instantaneously almost acceleration is beyond any human made project, you know made power system. So which make me believe if this object R belongs to aliens object of course so they may have a robotic robot on top. But I do believe they have to know one thing is anti gravity proportion. So I do believe and in my theory from my research, I Do believe anti gravity propulsion is real. And it could be, you know, we could be carnival harnessing it.

[Clayton]

Yeah. So you believe without a doubt that anti gravity propulsion technology is real. And which would seem to account for how these craft are able to not break up. Right.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

And exactly the reason you break up once you, you. When's the external force acting not a uniform to every single point. When you to the surface to one particular. So that's why you create a tension in the stress concentrating in particular area. So then what happens? You break, right? You bend something. You bend something. But anti gravity is a gravity force. Anti gravity force is acting every single point just like you free fall. You do not see any tension in your body. Every single fall in the same acceleration, same velocity. So that's, that's how they can have. What is that? 600 GS. You know, we are talking about the human astronaut survival. No more basically requirement. You cannot be any more than nine GS. This can have nine GS. You know, normalize because.

[Clayton]

Because your body would rip apart, right? I mean your body.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Clayton]

Shred apart. If anything more than that.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

That's exactly, you know, because human travel is pushed by force on one side. So that means, you know, the if in. If you're in the if in the bar, you sit on the chair. If you do the. Your head, your neck may not support. May not have enough force to support you there. Right. This is not the same case as anti gravity force. The gravity force acting on every single point. So they all travel at the same velocity, same acceleration. So you do not see them break apart. So that's making me think about. I'm a firm believer anti gravity technology is right at the door.

[Clayton]

You think it's right at the door? Did you say that? Yes.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

You know, there's many evidence included called gravifier. I don't know if a lot of people do anti gravity research. They saw a Russian young boy made this graphier. So basically is a UFO type shape of a device. I have one. We purchased one from the same boss, same people, same guy. That's. Yeah. So basically this size UFO shape, you know, weighing couple pounds. And you power them, it can lift in space. And of course we use electricity, electrical current power. Yeah.

[Clayton]

So you purchased one at NASA. You have one?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

No, no, sorry. Actually no, no, no. This is my side project. Okay.

[Clayton]

You have one, you have. You have an anti gravity machine at your house.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

We purchased it. Now, this moment, this moment being borrowed by. But I paid for in my house over a Year and try to make the work. Yes.

[Clayton]

Wow.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

The principle is real. How are technically try to make a resonance. You know, everything started a resonance from high voltage energy ultrasound. So that takes some time.

[Clayton]

I was going to ask you about the energy source of this. I've heard from insiders that tell me that the energy used to power some of these alien craft, the craft that I believe we have probably at Area 51 or other proving grounds that we've been reverse engineering, that the energy sources would be enough to power a city. What sort of, what sort of energy or power would it would it take? I mean conventionally like what do we have now that we know of that we could be using or what would we need in order to power these.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Craft, you know, you think very good questions. I want to give you simple answer. All energies only from one source power the universe. Okay.

[Clayton]

The atmosphere. Etheric.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Etheric energy power the universe. Include you said hey power the energy source. Power the light vehicles. Alien vehicles. Only one source. Magnetism. Magnetism only.

[Clayton]

So it's better than anything else. Is magnetism related to the etheric energy like what Tesla had tapped into all around us?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Tesla. Everything Tesla discovered is within magnetic energy. Electricity is only effect. You know, if I have LED lights here and I'm rotating fast spinning magnets, you know what happens? LED light will lit up. Yeah. All the electricities, all the electricity are manifestation of magnetism. So I hope now you. You feel like it's simpler. You know, gravity we just mentioned about us, hey, if we have an alien alien alive. So this is vehicles coming, what power them? Magnetism exist everywhere throughout the universe. But people would. How do you know that? Because gravity works, right? Because we see, hey the object works. Do have a. Have a bunch of them rotated with them. Right. Gravity itself is magnetic phenomena. So just to let you know in the future, if anybody ask you what force make energy, right. All start with magnetism. Magnetism.

[Clayton]

So it all comes back to magnetism. How do we harness nothing else? Yes, nothing else. So how do we harness that? I mean, I guess that's the great question, right? I mean, and it seems like some powerful forces in the United States government or defense contractors have figured out a way to harness this reverse engineering using this magnetism. But how, how exactly, how exactly does it work? How exactly are we harnessing this? Maybe at. At scale. Like it's one thing to have like a little thing in your house that you're playing with or magnets on a desk that are click, click, clicking back and forth, but powering huge football Field size craft.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

That's very good. You know, one thing, the biggest right now, the big renewable energy is solar. Solar panels, solar energy. So this is the. So that's why we just put a panel. So what the panel do you try to make. Make sure the panels surface. The particles on the panel's surface are super fine. So that means that they can very, very small particle can interact with the light directly. And when they interact with the light, what happens is the particles are magnetic particles. So they oscillating, they create electricity. So one way harness is through this called a solar. Yeah, solar panel. Right. You have no doubt. Right. So we can power that one. Another one we're talking about, hey, we use coal. We use. What is it?

[Clayton]

Oil, fossil fuels.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah, gasoline, fossil fuels or even nuclear fuels. You know what the nuclear fuel is? It's a stored energy stored in the matter. Right. But we can ask further. So what kind of energy? We thought, oh, chemical energy. These are only very vague concept. I will tell you everything stored as magnetic energy. So where comes this energy? Everything. You know, all the particles combined in force are magnetic force. Gravity too weak cannot bind you. You have a two cent. Gravity cannot make two center become one particle.

[Clayton]

Right.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Just too weak to find sand on the. On the shore, you know, kind of. So gravity too weak. The only force can combine them is sometimes people called electromagnetic force. Forget about the electrode. Electrode is a magnetic effect. When magnets in motion create electric field. Even magnetic stationary, you still have a force. So that's a magnetic force. Right. So basically all the energy stored in chemical fuels, you know, so all the. What is the gasoline or something? A chemical bond or nuclear force is all based on magnetic binding force. But this binding force were not to turn to energy. You know, you cannot say, hey, I have a piece of material we call this energy. No, no, no. You have to change the condition. You have external change in the condition. So turn what. So when you. When magnet force can binding them in attraction. If you can alter. If you alter direction of the same particle, partial particle or you break them, it instantly turned to magnetic repulsion instead of attraction. This magnetic repulsion is called stored energy. All the energy we are harvesting, chemical, nuclear, thermoelectrical is all from one single source. Magnetic. Magnetic.

[Clayton]

When you see things like flight MH370 and the disappearance of flight MH370, that's my friend.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

What is Ashton Forbes. Yeah, so I was on his shoe and he introduced me to many different places. Okay. I saw he on your shoes a couple times.

[Clayton]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so I wanted to ask you about this plasmoids and the, you know, three orbs of plasmoids that we. I know separately that from sources that I've spoken to that we have this technology and we. We can control it. So how exactly are we able to manipulate plasma in that way to create this massive maybe gravitational force that makes an airplane disappear? Which is clearly. I mean clearly what happened from all. It seems like from all evidence that I've seen. But maybe you know something different. What do you think?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Okay, so you do believe what Edge and Ford far was a theory.

[Clayton]

Well, I. I'm open to anything. I'm open to anything. If you. If you. If you show me this plane sitting there that had been teleported and it's still intact and it's sitting there on a tarmac somewhere like, you know, I'm. I'm open to anything. I just. I'm like. I come from the. I come from the Thomas Soul world of show me the evidence. So show me the evidence. What do. How do we. How are we able to control plasma and maybe our plasmoids, do you think? And what would be maybe the physics, the mechanics of controlling that, manipulating that in order to create some sort of an electromagnetic field in that way?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yes. This is so called high directional weapon. Right. So which is no difference than laser light. You can. We can concentrate the laser point right. Shining. So that's the reason laser light the different than is a high concentrated electromagnetic magnetic oscillation vibration. So high. High power means. High power means number one, they. They combined all the one day because they directed. So that's why laser point can shooting almost infinite distance instead of a regular flashlight being deflected in the atmosphere. So we are talking about the directional vision. The weapon uses exactly the same principle. The only difference is they may all. You know, the light, visible light has a very narrow spectrum. Like from a 400 nanometer wavelength to 700 nanometers very small spectrum. But if you use the same principle we use electromagnetic wave, we use the wave, but outside of the visible spectrum, then you will see the same effect. Because high energy we can burning a hole to any object in space. Right.

[Clayton]

And we can fire a laser into space and burn a hole through something.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah. Right. Now it's only limited. Yes, we can. But only limitation is the power. And so that means the distance. Have you seen user laser gun laser to cut tree. Cut tree branches. Have you seen that one?

[Clayton]

Yes.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Oh, you see that one? And I have a friend, he said that he has one. He used that one. That's true. I saw the. I said that this is amazing.

[Clayton]

I love that you work at NASA and you've got like an anti gravity thing at home. Your friend, your friends. Your friends have lasers that can cut branches. Yeah, yeah. I want to hang out with you.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

And your friends anytime if you come back to Florida again so I can take you to places. You talk about the orbs, you know. You know. So it's nothing much different than this is called a laser beam. If you believe a laser beam is true. And the only difference is this kind of directional weapon operate in the light spectrum outside of a visible spectrum like infrared or ultraviolet.

[Clayton]

Interesting. What do you think happened to flight MH370?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

I told accident forums. I said I'm in the. I was in the camp believe those. Those images are images. But you know. Yeah. At one point, you know that's one that. That's the. The one the same one night before we go to our Tim Pooh's show together me and Action four and he post post online a different video which gave me looks like that's real. So I said okay, I saw that video. I convinced because that video is instead of opposite color, you know, like a video opposite color. It's like in real flight, you know, color and the pattern and the shoe include the last minute explode. Right? Yeah, that one. So I said okay, I can now I tendency see. Hey, I have to be open mind. It could be military operation.

[Clayton]

Yeah. With the technology and the scientists that were on board that craft. And you want. And you look more deeply as to who was on board, what was on board. Why would they. Why would they intentionally try to.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah.

[Clayton]

Why would they need to have access to this? Exactly.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

I do. I do believe now.

[Clayton]

I do as well. I do as well. I don't think there's ever. There's no evidence at all at all that. That it crashed. So I again show me the ev evidence and I think the evidence is pretty overwhelming. And plus not only you know, from Ashton's research on this and others research, but I've spoken to insiders who've also told me that this, We. We control these. These plasmoid technologies. We have control of it. So I. I'm a believer. I will sit in that camp until. Until I'm proven. I'm proven wrong. I want to Talk more about UAPs. UFOs. I hate calling them UAPs just because I feel like that that's a. That's like a modern way of trying to.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

I Know, they try to avoid.

[Clayton]

Yeah.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

You know, it bothers you, right? There's no substance change. Yes, I agree with you at NASA.

[Clayton]

Let me just ask you, I mean, you're at NASA. When you walk in the halls of NASA, do you, and I know you haven't asked everybody that works there, but would you say like that when you're in the lunchroom or you're hanging out having coffee with other NASA engineers and scientists, are they pretty much all on the level? Do they do pretty much every one of these NASA engineers and individuals who work at NASA think that we are one of many species in the universe? Or are there NASA engineers who think, nope, that's it. We're alone.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Around my colleague. I, I may not be, say all the NASA among my colleague. They think about it the same way.

[Clayton]

As, as me, that we are not alone.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

I do. Because if a human being can, you know, you know, grow on the Earth, right. Biological, living things can be the, the universe should have. I, I do not believe anybody really doubt that. They may doubt any evidence people present. Hey, we question the evidence because we believe this may not be true evidence, but we do not, you know, bias about the conclusion.

[Clayton]

When you look at some of the criticisms of NASA over the years, you know, there's criticisms that we've talked about here on the show, which is that they'll have a live feed from the International Space Station, there'll be a live video feed, and then, you know, suddenly it turns off as there's a craft approaching. You know, suddenly something comes into the. And suddenly the live feed gets shut off. There's, there's lots of criticisms, of course, of NASA over the years. How do you feel about that?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Oh, you know, it's a fair game, you know, NASA, number one, our main NASA particular level human space program. Right. That's the, that's our main goal. And there's a certain, certain information because of national security. Right. Military application. So in certain sense they do have a kind of a way, just like FBI, Right. Or protect something. But this is, in NASA. This is a very, very minimum.

[Clayton]

Yeah, yeah. And sort of shutting down the video feeds when maybe there's something of national security. There's one of these craft that is human made that we have some advanced technology that, oops, we're not allowed to show that. So we've got to turn off the cameras. Yeah.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

To be open, say, to be clarified. I personally work in NASA, has not seen any purposeful, but during my tenure here. Purposeful. Deceive the public? No.

[Clayton]

Okay.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

NASA Is the best most open organization I ever worked with in my life.

[Clayton]

You've studied physics at the highest levels. When you look at UFO reports like what descriptions immediately violate known physics? Is it what we talked about? The. The unbelievable speed and acceleration of these craft? Or are there other things that stand out to you from a physics perspective?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Very good question. Just to give you my personal take all the descriptions not violate the physical law. I'm talking about conventional physics law. Conventional physics may differ than mine, but based on my own discovery or something, I do not see they are violated and probably pointed me to more conformed to the real physics law. I can. So one thing is. You mentioned about high acceleration, say over 600 GC instead of our six GS for the acceleration. So number one, you said, hey, how can we achieve this kind of acceleration? For me, all the energy come from magnetism, right? And the gravity is a manifestation magnetism. So from magnetic repulsion. So that means anti gravity. Means. Means magnetic repulsion. So only. Only that one. The act force on every single point particles and reverse them so they do not see. You do not see any break parts, right? So like F16 or something. You know, if they g too high, you know, Right. So they. So that. That's. That's another very important phenomenon. They almost always mentioned about a ufo. Spherical shape, you know, narrow disk. Right? Spherical. You know that. You know one thing about the physical oscillator. If anything spinning it has stabilized. Do I have an example? Example? Oh yeah.

[Clayton]

Let's see. Do you have a UFO in your office?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

No, no, no, no. Not the ufo. Okay. I use a disk to demonstrate how why things need spinning. Did you see? They describe a lot of UFOs. You know, the little disk here and the spinning. Spinning has its property. It's called spin conservation of angular momentum. So let me see if I can. If I can demonstrate this one to you. Oh my goodness. Let me push this one. So you know why things has to spin. And so this is not violated law. Actually, this is exactly. See if I do this when they fall, right? So what happens? C5. I'm sorry.

[Clayton]

Whoa. What? That's crazy.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

This is. Yeah. Okay, so what I try to say. So there's a basic. As a gyroscope. So NASA uses a gyroscope to control direction. Whenever. Whenever you're spinning something, it stabilizes its orientation. You know, one thing about anti gravity is if you anti gravity in this one, you move away. But if you flip. If you flip this thing, what happens? Because instant gravity pull crashes, right? Right. To avoid this happening, you need. You need what you need to make it spin. When you spin in the stables, it keep the stable structure.

[Clayton]

So even like an. You know, we. We would see like a typical saucer shape.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yes.

[Clayton]

But inside of there is some sort of an anti gravity spinning potentially spinning technology inside that keeps it stabilized. Yes. Yes.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

You are mentioned about spinning could be spinning physical spin. Right. The whole say outer ring spinning creates called a conservation of angular momentum. So physical and what happens is called electromagnetic field spinning. It also stabilizes structure. So that's why anti gravity looks like so powerful. But if you're not spinning, what happens is you suddenly turn over will be instantaneously disaster. So I believe spinning is one of the mechanism control this stability. And another things I try to give you evidence.

[Clayton]

Right.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

They always mention about the lights.

[Clayton]

You know.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

They always mention the lights. You know, some. Some kind of lights come out of a. So which make me think about it, you know. So the. The way we can make anti gravity work we have to spinning electric, electric field, electromagnetic field. When you have a spinning magnetic field, you'll keep the structure stable and also create anti gravity effect. And when you spinning. So why. Why does those have have to do with the light? When you're spinning a magnetic magnetic field, what happens create a light.

[Clayton]

So that's why we're. Yeah.

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[Clayton]

I have so many questions about this. We talk about. You obviously have deep knowledge as a crew spacecraft subsystem manager. People say why the heck have we not gotten back to the moon? How. Why is it so difficult for us to get humans back to the moon? We could do it in the 1960s when the spacecraft had less power than this iPhone in my pocket. So now here we are in 2025, heading into 2026. Why is it so difficult to get us back to the moon?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

That's great questions. If you can compare the efforts during the Apollo era. Compare the number of the investment in the world at that time. 3% of GDP right now is a 0.1%. So you know, compared effort is different. Another thing is because of a different structure different, you know. Yeah. And a different material something, you know, you have to go through so many try and error. Of course we learn many things. Right? Learn many things. And I believe this the technology we do have it. So we have lots of data. We use the routinely for our international Space Station transfer. We do use the same type of technology as Apollo Air. However, go to Apollo Air is not a simple fist just like you think. The technology and the experience of People retired technology maybe have a cliff, it's no longer continuous. So there are a lot of things still needed to retire rework.

[Clayton]

I mean there are a lot of people that believe oh we're, we're hiding something. We don't want to go back to the moon because of the moon base, the multiple moon bases that are there. And you have the, you have one section of the military and NASA that is not, is not really read in on these programs, you know, that is not involved in the jump rooms and Stargate projects and Yep. Secret space programs that are traveling back and forth on a regular basis to the moon base. And now you're going to shove in this sort of more civilian facing televised moon mission which could jeopardize the things that we're already doing on the moon. What do you say to those people?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Well, I believe number one time will tell them. Even though for me I firmly believe we did landing human in the moon. Landing in the moon. I have no doubt. But however, even my sister, even my brother in law, he even mentioned that moon landing is fake. Something I don't want to cite more people. Right. But I do believe we did landing people in the moon. We're still benefiting from many data in our engineering design. And so that's why we have so reliable international Space station traveling through SpaceX or through Boeing's starliners. The reason we do have technology, except all their technology of course. They hired lots of ex NASA people and NASA partner with them. Basically provide all the free data, free technology for them to be successful.

[Clayton]

I know over your shoulder there, we've got the three keys to understand. Yes. Unlocking the mystery of the universe. Maybe you could walk us through why these are the three keys. These are obviously part of your of your theories specifically but I want to hear about this. Maybe you can explain.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Thank you. One of my mission is to try to convince your audience about the universe is much, much simpler than we ever been taught.

[Clayton]

Simpler, Simpler.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah. It's not difficult. Otherwise I have the confidence. So in order to convince your audience I need to convince you. So let me explain why these three keys can unlocking all the mysteries in the universe. Okay.

[Clayton]

Okay.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

So if I can convince you and I will come you to make a comment to make questions during this one. So the first one, if you look at the field I said color charge is a particle. So I made examples say electron, positron, proton and quarks. So they are all charged particle. Is that I have a problem? No problem. Right. They are all charged particles.

[Clayton]

Electron, positron, protons and quarks are all positively charged particles.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah. They are positive and only electrons are negative charge. Right? Right. Cork may have some. Remember what I said? So I lumped all them together as called a manual charge. That means a particle carry single charge. Right. I call the manual charge. And you look at this conclusion is these particles does not exist at all. And they cannot exist. And I have evidence I needed to convince you today. So you not only know why I do not exist, but I want to convince you why it does not exist.

[Clayton]

You know what implications what you're saying then is these don't actually exist. The idea of an electron being just a negatively charged particle.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yes. They cannot exist in this universe.

[Clayton]

You think it doesn't exist.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

And I want to convince you. Once you convince this one, you will understand. Ha. Universe is so simple.

[Clayton]

So this is crazy because this is what we learn in elementary school.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

From elementary school. That's the question that I wanted to know. When did you last time take a physics class? Junior high, middle school, junior high, Something like that. College? Yeah.

[Clayton]

Yeah. Probably high school or. Yeah, I think high school or junior high, Something like that.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah. Yeah. That's good to start. So since then we were started. So first page we said atoms composed of electron and the nucleus. Exactly. Wrong. Okay, so now let me explain. You already understand it's crazy to say electron. We started from the first page of the book. Atoms, electron, they're wrong. So that means how much work with. I want to convince. So if electrons are wrong, doesn't. I will tell you. It does not exist. So neither positron and proton can exist. What that means? That means the atom model. We call the. Called orbital atomic model. That means electron orbiting the nucleus.

[Clayton]

Yeah. The kids make an elementary school with like foam balls and they stick toothpicks into it and they, you know, they build. They. They build an atom with an electron and a. And a proton and they. And here's your. Here's your atom. That's all garbage.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

It's completely. My goodness. You said it's completely garbage. Does not exist without the technology imaging we have our electron is. It looks like. Oh, all atoms. Looks like sesame ball. Okay. Spherical ball. Yeah. All atoms. So does not like. So. So now you know if electron model is wrong. So this called orbital atom model will be wrong just like you. You said even better than that. It's garbage. And then go further. Quantum mechanics model will be completely wrong because quantum mechanics model build it on top of this called orbiting orbital atom model. So if orbital model Is wrong. Quantum mechanics wrong. So entire physics model physics had to be rewritten. Okay, so that's the first. First first point. Right? Now I want you to understand that the significance. You already understand the second one. Photon photon. We define as a particle of light. Photon photon is completely does not exist. Photon does not exist. What that means if a photon does not exist. So what kind of replace photons? Photon is a particle of light. So light basically is a wave motion electromagnetic wave. So we need. How can you have a wave? You need to have a medium. So old days called the ether. But right now I call them called the electromagnetic. I call them magnetic medium.

[Clayton]

A magnetic medium?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah, just made by magnetic particles. Just like a water made by water molecules. Every water molecules is a magnetic particles, basically. So if light. If a photon particle of light does not exist, what do we pre assume? Assuming space has a medium. So that would explain how gravity can acting over distance. Instead of an empty action empty space, it actually through the medium. And except explain light can traveling through space is not as a particle. And then can solve all the mysteries. Lots of mysteries experiment, we can solve them. Okay, so the first two points point to what's wrong with the current physics. So why is it so difficult? People started all years, they do not understand. So now what is it really exist? Only one particle, magnetic particle. I define the called universal fundamental particle is just magnetic dipole, just a little magnet. This is the only particle can exist in this universe. I tell you conclusion. And I will explain why. If I can convince you this one. So you know, if you. If I can convince you electron, positron, proton cannot exist. You would automatically think of. Think about it. Of course, the orbital model does not exist. Quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics. You know what quantum mechanics try to describe electron position, right? Electron has to jump from orbiter to orbiter. If there's nothing jumps, if electron does not exist. Nothing. Jump from where?

[Clayton]

To where?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

No moving part in atom. Of course, you know, quantum mechanics is garbage. The same language as you.

[Clayton]

Wow, you're blowing my mind. So the old atom model that we grew up doesn't exist. The only part. So atoms don't exist then. And the only particles that exist are just little magnet particles.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Magnet particle, so called atom. Just like a little magnet particle. You know, as a composite particle to atom.

[Clayton]

But I with a north and a south. With a north and a south?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yes.

[Clayton]

It's all polarity.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Polar. Yeah. When you put a lot of magnet together overall closer enough, you will see local effect. But globally, you will see all the magnetic conform to north and the south form. Do we still have time? Let me convince you why this is not why, why these are wrong. Once you understand this one and why only particle can exist. I believe my mission will be accomplished if you let me right now.

[Clayton]

Yes, please, please.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

I'm convinced I'm gonna do this one. So let me, let me see if I can. Okay, first of all, how did I come up with this conclusion? Right? So your audience. Hey, you made such a huge claim. What did you discover? So let me tell you one secret. I discovered the so called electric charge. No current electrical engineering people are professor or PhD. No one understand what's the origin of a charge. So this is a mystery I want to share with your audience. The so called electric charge is completely mistaken for magnetic dipole. The so called positive charge are magnetic and north pole. And the positive negative charge are magnetic south pole. So that means the universe. The all the so called charge is just magnetic polarity. Does that make sense to you?

[Clayton]

Yes, yes. And it also opens up. I mean, well. Yeah, go ahead. I don't want to interrupt. I'm just thinking about this in terms of black holes and space time.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yes, yes, I will explain that one. So now if you understand that. So now we can take the electrical part off. The so called charge, not the electric charge is a magnetic dipole. Right? Okay. So yeah, I underline magnetable. Okay, so the trigger event. So the reason I asked you when did you last take last time take a physics class? This is a trigger event from my middle school year when I first learned electricity. Electricity, flow of electron, flow of charge. Is this something concept people have in their mind completely wrong. I noticed this is wrong since I'm middle school. Because I can never conceive the idea electron solid particles are traveling in a solid wire at a speed of nearly fraction of speed of light. I can never conceive that idea. Never accept. I know something maybe not right. The second triggering event is the orbital atomic model which is mentioned by. Right. So electron orbiting nucleus. Even electron does not exist. Of course, nucleus is not the same way as we taught. And this one, when I was in middle school, I convinced myself this must be wrong. So I have been waiting for somebody to correct this error. I believe someday people will correct this error. In my lifetime, you know what happens. So I studied physics, PhD after I started working for NASA graduated and then we started working NASA. Still nobody tell me these are wrong. So I said, okay, I have to work myself. And then I found out electron does not exist. There's no moving part Whatsoever inside of an atom. So of course, this is model. This model represents called a perpetual motion machine. Can you imagine every single smallest particle atom are inside just like. Yeah. Inside called constant emotion. That's a perpetual motion. What power them? What makes them constant in motion? Why does not dissipate energy? Right. So we know perpetual motion machine does not exist whatsoever. So. So these two things trigger me say physics must be wrong. But I did not solve them. So I study, you know, in my PhD or college. I just try to finish college, work with get a perfect gpa. That's my goal. It's never try to understand fully. You have no time to understand fully in college. So now after graduate, I understand. So these are. And I was right. Electricity is never flow of particles. And atoms have no moving parts. And how do I convince you guys? Oh, this is. Yeah, because of time limit. So I would say, hey, the error the problem started from Coulomb's law is like 241 years ago, right? Coulomb is Coulomb's right to say, hey, like charge repel, opposite charge attract. No problem. But it implied. Implied that there's two char. Two particles. One is a negative charge particle. Wouldn't represent the positive charge hole. So that's basically is monocharge particle. And so and this particle. But until over 100 years later. So in 1897, that's a British scientist called J.J. thomson Discover Electron. Discover electron and win Nobel Prize for that one. And that's the top physics completely derailed from a real physics course.

[Clayton]

So the discovery of the electron in 1897 was when physics fell apart and became derailed.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Fell apart from here. Because J.J. thomson based on this experiment. If I can show you the experiment called cathode array. Here we can see the electrons being deflected by the magnet. The cathode ray moves upward. If we reverse the magnet, we would predict that the beam would be deflected in the opposite direction.

[Clayton]

And we observe that the beam is deflected downward. So he's using magnets.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

See, this is an effect. It's a magnetic effect. He interpreted as a negative charged particle. Electron. You know what happens if you have a negative charged particle? Somebody discover, hey, I have a positive charge particle to balance them. Right?

[Clayton]

Right.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Everything has to balance. And somebody's why find neutral particle and that's cascaded. And all the later on experiment, they all try to describe based on the negative charge particle. All the interpret. So this is the starting point.

[Clayton]

I thought so many questions. I mean, given your theory here about the dipole just. These are just a magnetic particle.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah.

[Clayton]

When we hear about. Oh well, when we launch a nuclear bomb, right. We're splitting the atom. And. And that's why it's this releasing this massive amount of power. So were they wrong about that? Were they splitting an atom? That wasn't what they thought they were splitting. How. How did that unfold?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Oh, it's not wrong. Feasibly. It's another wrong. What they do is you basically ask where comes the nuclear energy? Right. So where come. You know, they bounded like a magnetic particle bounded by magnetic force. Right. If you split, you know, there's one thing is if you have a magnet, magnet, bar magnet, you break it. You know what happens Instantly create a repulsion force.

[Clayton]

Yes.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Because original like pole suddenly instantly created reporting force. That's the energy. So that means whenever you split and split any, you know, break sudden instantly break anything you will see they take part.

[Clayton]

So that explains maybe when we see these nuclear bombs going off, we see this incredible wave of energy.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Is it because magnetic repulsion.

[Clayton]

When you.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Break a magnet instantly does that. Is that a simple. That's what called a chemical energy?

[Clayton]

You're blowing my mind. I didn't expect to have this. I didn't have a. You know, everything I've learned in school was a joke. Then when I, you know, everything I learned in science class was a joke.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Oh my goodness, you are not wrong. Actually you are much applied than some other people I would talk to during NASA expo. You know, expedition, they call that all we learned is the lie.

[Clayton]

Yeah, but I mean well you now so you are in. In NASA. Are there people across NASA who are accepting this as a reality? A dipole magnetic particle or are they still adhering to the electron model from 1897?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

That's very good judge whether correct is. See how your people around you. All the people around me are being turned from classical physical turn into my die hard believer. So I do fall. Yeah.

[Clayton]

So how does that. How would that expect. How would that affect space travel? How would that, how would that affect NASA's mission? Changing this entire paradigm?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah, it helps. NASA, NASA Space Flight mission because right now we burning chemical fuels.

[Clayton]

Right.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

If you remember, even SpaceX right now we just mentioned about whatever we have say we launch astronaut from Earth to the International Space Station. 97 to 98%. All the weight are just for carry the fuel wasted only the little capsule. Harry, what is a four astronaut? We designed seven, but it's not reduced to four. A normal mission we only have three. You know, traveling right, right so just a little small capsules. Very small. Yeah, just like a middle, middle van size. So you know how much, how much money wasted on fuel.

[Clayton]

Yeah.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

The solution is if we use anti gravity technology, basically we just use real gun. Just like you know we have the real gun. This is called electromagnetic gun and shooting something. Basically we use electromagnetic propulsion proportion. We do not consuming any chemical propellant and we can launch them and faster and cheap.

[Clayton]

Does Elon Musk know about this? Is he on board with your theory of this?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

No, actually I only saw Elon couple times from audience. But there's one time like a couple months ago Elon Musk put an X Twitter post say hey, if anybody understand the nature of the nature of the universe, right. He said, hey, just tell me no matter how crazy that is and tell me. And I dedicated included this chart. I said, if you understand that these are three key points to unlocking the mystery, you will understand the nature of the universe. Never get a response. But I did get a thousands of people reading his email response. And so that was, that was. So basically we do not have a direct line of conversation. Unless someday you can make that happen.

[Clayton]

I would love to. Elon, if you're watching, pay attention to this. Maybe we can connect you guys. And I mean he likes earth shattering paradigms or paradigms that are earth shattering. So maybe this could completely upend SpaceX and change things. Not having to spend billions of dollars on fuel and, and can you imagine? I've always thought, I've always thought, I mean given all the UFO technology that we have, these reverse engineering of craft that we have. We're using this electromagnetic technology already. Is this the key, is this the key here to bridge us from your research to that.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Exactly. Which I firmly believe diagonal. If we launch a capitol. We just needed a little capsule in just like shooting a bullet, right? Yeah. Wow. Of course you want to consider people's safety, right?

[Clayton]

Right.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

So you may, you may stage wise something, but we can reduce this by 98% weight and effort and use only. Only thing. You just use electricity. That's it. You do not consuming any other substance.

[Clayton]

Well, you know, some days you wake up and you think, Am I going to have my entire world turned upside down on a particular day? And doc, you just did that. You just completely upended.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

My goodness, you already grasp the significance. This is amazing. I have attended so many shows, okay. Taking me so many times to emphasize to make them understand. But you know what? I finally made a group six people on that show made all them understand. So gaiden I wanted to use my last minute effort to explain to you why other particles cannot exist. And if you understand this one, I believe and your audience, your audience may understand, then you understand that universe is better, much simpler. Is that okay? Yeah, please let me start with that one. Okay?

[Clayton]

Please.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

I hope from now I just try to use a few minutes to explain this one to you. Why called mono charge particles means a negative charger or purely positive charge pedal cannot exist. If I convince this one, the whole paradigm, whole universe paradigm will shift. So I'm going to use this demonstration. Assuming this is an electron, okay? So I'm assuming everything we called from the past are correct. That means electron is a negative charged particle. So can you imagine what happens if I hypothetically split them into halves? Clayton, give a guess. What do I get if an electron.

[Clayton]

Is split in half? If an electron with a negative charge is split in half?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah. If I split two fragments, then I.

[Clayton]

Would get a positive charge.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Only three options. If you split electronegative charge, get two positive. You violated a charge conservation. How could the charge being from negative suddenly to positive, Right? This is a phase fundamental physics law, charge conservation. You cannot switch charge just by your smaller segments.

[Clayton]

So then you would have two negative charges after you split it.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

What? That's exactly what I. So now the most logical is what you just said. Two negative fragment, Right? Right.

[Clayton]

Two negative fragments.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Can you make a two negative charge of the fragment? Make it the two original electron. Right.

[Clayton]

What would be holding it together? If they're both negative, it would make they repel.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

That's what Coulomb's law says, right?

[Clayton]

Right. It would be repelled.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

They cannot together.

[Clayton]

They cannot.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

There's no way you can make them together. So that means what that means? That means electron, the negative charged particle cannot exist in the first place. Does that make sense to you?

[Clayton]

So yes, that's. That makes total sense. And now that when you say it.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

You are so intelligent, you know, not just a good looking.

[Clayton]

I don't know that I'm intelligent. I'm just open to it. Like I can see. I've seen so many. I've seen so many BS stories fall apart over the years, that now it just makes so much sense. Two negatives, how are they going to join together? They would be repelling. It wouldn't make any sense. How would they be joined together in the first place?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

My missions almost accomplished.

[Clayton]

And the same with a positive particle, right?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

This is exactly what I tried to say. Okay, let's. Assuming the smallest of the particle, either negative or Positive or neutral, can they exist positive violate the Coulomb's law. If positive charged particle you split, you cannot make back. You violated called Coulomb's law like charge repel, right? So positive is particle canals. What about negative particle? We just mentioned negative particle canons. How about the neutral particle? Is that, is that a possibility we have A neutral particle does not have a charge.

[Clayton]

No. I can see here you say no binding force. That makes sense. If it's neutral, what would, what would be the energy that would even keep it together in the first place?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Oh my goodness. Oh, you see? Oh, you can see.

[Clayton]

I saw that. Yeah, yeah, I saw that there.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

My partner told me, you know, David, right, told me, hey, your words are too small to see on tv.

[Clayton]

We have a big, we have a big monitor here in our studio. Plus I've read. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, this is, that makes the most sense. You can't have a negative particle split a split apart that is attracted to each other. Same with a positive and with a.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Neutral they cannot combine. Okay, wow. So now the question is what? A water particle can only exist.

[Clayton]

A positive and negative or multi or dipolar, as you're pointing out, Right?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Exactly. Every single particle has carry both pole. And we know this particle exists because we know magnets exist.

[Clayton]

Right?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Does that make sense to you?

[Clayton]

Right? Yeah, because if you flip, if you flip around a magnet, the polarity push repels. And if you flip it around the other way.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Oh my goodness. No wonder people love you. Fox Fox and the Friends. Okay, I know you, you, you were the most rational one on the Internet.

[Clayton]

Back on, back on Fox and Friends back in the day.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Yeah, because that's, that's how we all met. Matthew still, I, I, I don't even remember. When did you leave? You just tell me seven days thing. But for me seems like I could stay there forever. Okay, so now you know the most ridiculous things to me is this only logical particle magnets we see every day, right. Does not include in the quantum mechanics model. Quantum mechanics have hundreds, you know, starting with like 26 basic elements. But if you put anti particles, you know, you know, right. And, and, and, and also you, if you consider the super symmetry, you double the include every single product except included the real existing part, right?

[Clayton]

They've included quarks, they've included neutrons, positrons, electrons, electrons, and they're throwing all of this in there.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

And it never mentioned about one particle, just a magnetic particle. So that's why quantum mechanics is fundamentally wrong. And the reason now I wanted to show you the reason magnetic particle is so different than all the other particles we mentioned. If you split or subdivide the magnets. What did you get? You split a magnet. Of course they repel. Right? Right. We get two smaller magnets. It is a self similar geometry. This is the only particle. It's a self similar and can assemble or can subdivide without changing its physical property. That's the only particle.

[Clayton]

And it makes sense on a map. And it makes sense, you know, a nuclear weapon with the. With the explosion of energy.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Exactly. Wow. I did not expect that I can accomplish this thing in one hour.

[Clayton]

Well, again, it helps to be open to possibilities. And when I think about it, when I. When I deeply think about it, I think maybe that's why I struggled with physics, because it never made sense to me. You know, I just. As a student, you just go along with it because you. But you just go along with them telling you electrons. This is what an atom looks like. One of my children is learning about this right now.

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[Clayton]

So I'm going to have to show her this interview and blow her mind. She'll be the stickler in the classroom with the teacher. When she says, my dad.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

My dad disagrees with you. Right.

[Clayton]

Yes.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

You have to let them discipline. Okay. Don't voice disagreement in public.

[Clayton]

Exactly.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Unless you don't want to graduate.

[Clayton]

Exactly. Well, Doc, this is amazing. I mean, you mentioned your NASA colleagues are pretty open to this and they're coming around on this. What about just. I'll let you go here in a few minutes here. But what about the physics community in general, Girl, how do they respond? How do they respond to this?

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Oh, you know, I have interviewed Michio Kaku, Brang Green. Okay. Of course, you know. And what is Sabina? You know, they are. They are supposed to be. Sabina is a very open mind. Right. And. And also what is the Michio Kaku and the brown Green? So they develop their own string theory. They call the founder of string theory string theory.

[Clayton]

Right.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

You know the reason they found students? Because they all doubted the current theory is wrong. Right.

[Clayton]

Otherwise that's a great point. Because when I read Brian Greene's books back in the day, and I was always stunned. So he. Here, he was creating or coming up with this idea of string theory, this vibration. Because. Because all of that other stuff really didn't make sense to him.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Right. You see, you got the key point. It does not mean the vibration streaming in a sense, but at least everything else does not make sense to them to Michio Kaku and to Brian Green. Oh my goodness. You can see the, see the other side of things. So. Wow, impressive.

[Clayton]

Well, I just, I was always fascinated because Brian Greene always had an incredible way of trying to explain things. Very.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

And very eloquent.

[Clayton]

Yes, very eloquent. And his books, I've read, I think both of his books back in the 1990s, I think when they came out. So I was always fascinated by this and I love. And I, and I know he was sort of like a rebel within the physics community because here he was coming out with this idea of vibration and string theory and.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Right.

[Clayton]

But now it all makes sense. It all makes sense that what he was saying is he was saying everything we've been taught really doesn't make sense. So here's my idea of string theory, which can help us make. It was almost like here's string theory, which can help us make it make sense.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

That's right. That's his intention. But to be honest with you, string theory even make less sense than the previous theory. But the previous theory is totally founded on Run foundation too.

[Clayton]

Wow.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Wow.

[Clayton]

Well, you've blown my mind. I hope that our audience had their mind blown as well. We'd love to have you back on at some point and maybe we can do a follow up. We can, I'm, I'm sure we'll, we'll have thousands of comments from people here on this video and maybe we can do a Q and A next time and maybe we can answer a ton of the questions maybe that our audience has about some of the questions they have about this theory. Doctor, it's been great having you here on the show. It's been eye opening again. Like I said. I didn't think when I'd wake up this morning that I would have my world turned upside down in a way, but I love doing that. That's why I do this. That's why I do this show. So thank you so much. Thank you for your great work. Thanks for your time and thanks for educating all of us about this. This has been mind blowing. Thank you so much.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

Thank you.

[Clayton]

Thank you, Doug.

[Dr. Waiping Yu]

It's my honor to be on your show again. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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