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Clayton Morris
From you, what is the mainstream narrative they'd like you to believe? Welcome to Redacted with Natalie and Clayton Morris. On this show, we help to break down the propaganda to bring you the truth behind the news. Live from the Rocky Mountains. Let's get started. Welcome, everybody. There's a lot of propaganda to break down and a push for more propaganda from Benjamin Netanyahu and Israel as Benjamin Netanyahu made his appearance Last night on 60 Minutes, of course, the Larry Ellis and controlled network to push his push for more war and more censorship. Although he says he doesn't wanna censor anybody, he absolutely does wanna censor. We're gonna talk about that. And President Trump basically admitting that this ceasefire or that Iran's terms for peace are totally unacceptable and that the ceasefire is on life support. So we're gonna talk about all of that.
Natalie
We're also gonna talk about a new media push to push sexual accusers of Michael Jackson. There's a new family that was close to Michael Jackson saying they sud that they were abused by him. They spent years defending him. They have made money defending him. Now they're saying we need more money because we all of a sudden, now we're gonna take a nuanced look at this because the media has never really put forward credible witnesses. We're gonna look at that from a nuanced eye. So hold on, why are they doing this? Who is doing this?
Clayton Morris
Also, Area 51, new secrets. Why? Why is the government pushing for a massive land grab? Yes, a lot. An expansion of Area 51 as part of some sort of imminent domain. We're gonna look at Area 51 today on the show. We've got a lot to unpack on the show today, so let's dive into it, shall we? Well, President Trump says this ceasefire in Iran is on life support. Iran's terms for peace are totally unacceptable, he says. And he described it to a reporter as garbage today. Total garbage. Listen, for the time being, the ceasefire remains in place.
Unidentified Male Commentator
It's unbelievably weak, I would say. I would call it the weakest right now after reading that piece of garbage they sent us. I didn't even finish reading it. They said, I'm not going to waste my time reading it. I would say it's one of the weakest right now. It's on life support. They understand. These are all medical people, Dr. Oz, life support is not a good thing. Do you agree?
Clayton Morris
Diagnostic?
Unidentified Male Commentator
I would say the ceasefire is on massive life support. Where the doctor walks in and says, sir, your loved one has approximately a 1% chance of living.
Clayton Morris
Okay, so he's laughing about it as if he holds all the cards here. That's the funny part, he doesn't. According to Iranian media, the problem here is that Washington's so called peace proposal didn't look like a peace proposal at all. It looked like a surrender document and Iran wasn't having it. Iran is holding all the cards here. So they went in the opposite direction. They want an end to US sanctions, the release of frozen Iranian assets, the right to sell its oil freely to whomever they want, and they want control of the Strait of Hormuz. So that's a non starter. So Trump threatened more war and he's doing the bidding of Bibi Netanyahu, of course, went on Larry Ellison's own 60 Minutes last night and essentially begged for more war, laying out exactly how he wants President Trump to carry this out.
David
Watch.
Interviewer on 60 Minutes
How do you envision the highly enriched uranium will be removed from Iran?
Benjamin Netanyahu
You go in and you take it out with what?
Interviewer on 60 Minutes
Special forces from Israel, Special forces from the United States.
Benjamin Netanyahu
Well, I'm not going to talk about military means, but the president, what President Trump has said to me, I want to go in there and I think it can be done physically. That's not the problem. If you have an agreement and you go in and you take it out, why not? That's the best way.
Interviewer on 60 Minutes
What if there isn't an agreement? Can it be taken out by force?
Benjamin Netanyahu
Well, you're going to ask me these questions, I'm going to dodge them because I'm not going to talk about our military possibilities, plans or anything of the kind.
Interviewer on 60 Minutes
And I'm just trying to get at how long is it going to take to achieve that aim.
Benjamin Netanyahu
I'm not going to give a timetable to it, but I'm going to say that's a terrifically important mission.
David
Yeah.
Natalie
Okay. Notice I noticed the words you, you go in, you're an American.
Clayton Morris
Right.
Natalie
I'm not going to talk about what our military does, meaning your military, that I dictate. I hope you noticed those things because I certainly did.
Clayton Morris
Oh yeah. It's all about us. It's the United States. We don't, we're not in a position to do that. We want the United States to do that. He did say we are winning on about seven different battlefield right now, but completely exposed on the eighth battlefield, which is social media. So losing the propaganda war. And he says we need to fix this.
David
Watch.
Benjamin Netanyahu
You've seen the deterioration of support for Israel in the United States? Almost. I would say it correlates almost 100% with the geometric rise of social media. And that by itself is not what caused it. And I don't believe in, you know, in censoring them or anything, but I'll tell you what happened. We have several countries that basically manipulated social media, and they do it in a clever way. And that's. That's something that has hurt us badly.
Interviewer on 60 Minutes
Is it your belief, Mr. Prime Minister, that nothing that Israel has done tactically or strategically has made no mistakes either in Gaza or the west bank that have in their own way contributed to this negative impression of Israel, whether it's on social media or someplace else?
Benjamin Netanyahu
No, of course. Look, it's war. In war, armies sometimes miss and civilians die. And these are mistakes. These are not deliberate things that happen. Israel is besieged on the media front, on the propaganda front, and we've not done well on the propaganda war, so
Clayton Morris
we need more propaganda.
Natalie
They mistakenly disassembled all their food supplies, farms, factories and infrastructure. That was a mistake.
Clayton Morris
And it was also just.
Natalie
It was a war crime. Mistake.
Clayton Morris
It was just a mistake. When our snipers intentionally would shoot children in the head. It was just a mistake. These things happen in the fog of war. When you intentionally target surgeons inside of hospitals, through windows as they're attending to people in the hospitals, that's just a mistake.
Natalie
Following medics. Oops, sorry.
Clayton Morris
Go ahead.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
This right here is a. Whoops.
Anders Ottison
Oops.
Clayton Morris
Yeah, it's a total.
Natalie
I hate when I do that on accident, like stubbing my toe.
Clayton Morris
Anna Kasparian is the host and executive producer of the Young Turks and joins redacted for the very first time. I can't believe this is the first time. Anna, great to have you on the show finally.
David
Great to see you.
Anna Kasparian
Hi, Clayton. Hi, Natalie. Love the show. Thank you for having me.
Clayton Morris
Our pleasure. So you heard Netanyahu there specifically saying that they're losing this propaganda war, and he said that countries are manipulating the truth in order to spin a false narrative. I'm just curious, what countries do you think he's talking about? And also what kind of false narrative are they putting out that isn't true? Genocide, perhaps? And he doesn't agree with that. What do you make of his statements on that?
Anna Kasparian
If Benjamin Netanyahu's mouth is moving, he's lying. So obviously he refuses to take any responsibility for what the entire world has witnessed over the nearly last three years. And so most people are good people. Most people see the slaughter of innocents, the targeting of hospitals, the destruction of universities and schools, and they don't like it. There's no amount of manipulation on social media that could convince the American people or people across the globe that what Israel has carried out over the last nearly three years is okay and should be supported. In fact, if it weren't for the bribery that has been baked into our political system, I question whether the United States government would even support Israel in the first place. And if it weren't for the US Supporting Israel, honestly, I don't even see how it would exist, certainly in the current form that it's in going around attacking your neighbors, stealing land. I mean, it goes on and on. And it's been this way for the last several decades, I mean, since the inception of Israel. So again, this is not a social media issue, this is an Israel issue. And the inability to engage in any self awareness or assessment in regard to how Israel has carried out the complete demolition of the entirety of the Gaza Strip, the fact that they're killing innocents right now as we speak in Lebanon, they just refuse to acknowledge that most people don't like that and are going to be critical of Israel as it engages in that type of behavior.
Natalie
Now, I want to ask you what you make of Netanyahu putting the responsibility of the military mission on the United States. He said you go in and take it out. You yes, there's military might. I'm not going to talk about it when the United States should do it. It's worth remembering that Israel has never contributed ground forces to any mission that they endorsed on behalf of the United States. I find that so upsetting and the hubris of telling us what to do. Why do you think there's not a bigger outrage of a foreign leader telling us what we need to do?
Anna Kasparian
I think there is outrage among American people. And in fact, you look at polling and each time a new poll comes out, Israel loses more and more support from the American people. Where you're seeing a disconnect is through our political leadership which carries out what's in the best interests of Israel time and time again. And it's really a bipartisan effort to carry out what's best for Israel to the detriment of the American people. But I think what we're noticing now among the electorate is those who were critical of Israel remain critical. However, that group is growing significantly. And I think in the upcoming elections, what we're going to see is this flat out rejection of political leaders or candidates who insist on taking money from the Israel lobby, who insist on carrying out Israel's best interests, who seem to prioritize Israel over the, you know, best interests of the United States. And so I think that now there's going to be a lot more pressure from the electorate for the political leadership to change its behavior. And if they don't, there will be consequences for that. So, again, I really don't think there's anything Israel can do in terms of censorship, more media buys, you know, more efforts in punishing people who are critical of Israel. None of that is gonna work. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. And by the way, one other thing I'll mention in reg to military operations and special forces in Iran to retrieve the enriched uranium. Remember, the enriched uranium and the nuclear weapons that Iran doesn't even have was always just a cover story in order to spur regime change in Iran in order to start this war against Iran. Israel is a nuclear power. They're not worried about nuclear weapons in Iran. By the way, the other thing is, if you pay close attention to what Netanyahu says, he constantly moves the goalposts. So even if we were able to retrieve the uranium, which we don't even have the military capacity to do, it would literally take hundreds of thousands of troops in order to carry that out. And it would be a very dangerous mission. But even if we were to do that, Netanyahu also fear mongers about Iran's ballistic missiles. And I'm sorry, Iran has the right to have ballistic missiles. Israel would like to live in a region of the world where all of its neighbors, all of the countries in that part of the world, have no way of defending themselves and no way of challenging Israel as it expands its borders. Right now, the biggest challenge to Israel happens to be Iran. Israel was never worried about Iran attacking them or invading their country or anything like that. But they do know that as they pursue the Greater Israel project, which would mean taking land from Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, which, I mean, they've succeeded in some of that already. In order to do that, they need to rid themselves of the challenge that's posed by the axis of Resistance, by Iran, by Hezbollah. And so we'll see what happens. But I think in the case of Lebanon, specifically, the Lebanese government wanting to disarm Hezbollah is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my entire life. Not because I would support Hezbollah necessarily, but Hezbollah is really the only thing standing in the way between complete land annexation by Israel. And so if the current Lebanese military doesn't have the capacity to fend off or fight off the idf, why would you want to disarm Hezbollah. That makes no sense whatsoever.
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David
Right.
Clayton Morris
You talk about keep moving the goalposts and that's, you bring up some great points. The goalposts keep shifting. You hear from, you know, you hear from Israeli defense officials who say this is about regime change, like that's the ultimate goal. It's regime change. Reiterated that again a few weeks ago. So if it's not about uranium, then it's about regime change. It's not about uranium. It's about ballistic missiles. It's about, as Netanyahu said yesterday on 60 Minutes, it's also about proxies. So that includes Hezbollah. So this is really not ending anytime soon. And inevitably, of course, Netanyahu points out that they need to fight back big time on social media in order to try to change public perception. Here, listen to him on this. Fighting back.
Benjamin Netanyahu
Listen, I think there's been a concerted effort by several states to basically vilify Israel in the social primarily in the social media, in the standard media, too, but that's less effective. The effective thing is in the social media, and we've not fought back yet, so we'll have to do that.
Clayton Morris
So he says we need to try harder. We need to really employ the shift now in social media, and we need to go harder. We don't want to censor anybody, though.
David
He was very.
Clayton Morris
I don't want to censor what people are saying.
Anna Kasparian
That's all they've done. That's all they've done.
Clayton Morris
But now I want to go on killing people.
Anna Kasparian
So it's not that difficult.
Clayton Morris
Right at the heart of it, like maybe also your genocide is at the heart of it, is the root cause of this. It's the manipulation of our American politicians, right through AIPAC and other lobbying apparatus coming to the White House on a regular basis and manipulating us. So I guess maybe you should stop some of that.
Natalie
And the way the reporter asks it is comical because he doesn't want to say, well, maybe when people see innocent children dying, they don't like it. And that can, he says, is there any way that you could have done something wrong? And it just was on social media? Maybe not like, hey, this is offensive to the human soul. He just taps tiptoes around it. That's not journalism, that's pandering.
Anna Kasparian
Well, Major Garrett works for cbs, and I'm sure he doesn't want to draw the ire of Barry Weiss and lose his job. But either way, I mean, the framing of the questions obviously were incredibly sensitive to the Israelis, and that's not how you do journalism. You're supposed to ask the tough questions, regardless of any backlash you might receive in this case from the Israelis or Bari Weiss. But, you know, just going back to the notion of, you know, engaging in censorship in order to change the perception of Israel, no, no, it's doing the exact opposite. So when Americans are being censored, or when Americans literally lose their livelihood because one of these pro Israel groups targets them over their criticism of Israel and gets them fired, is that going to improve the US Perception of Israel, or is it only going to further damage its reputation with the United States? And honestly, everything that I've seen from the Israeli government, including the behavior of their own pro Israel influencers here in the US has been incredibly counterproductive. And one of the worst things that Israel does is they conflate worldwide Jewish populations with their genocide and their border expansion project, which is incredibly unfair to Jewish people across the globe because not all of them agree with Zionism not all of them agree with Israel. And when you do that conflation, which is very much intentional if you ask me, unfortunately, people who might not know better might start harassing or insulting Jewish people who are incredibly critical of Israel. So I just think this entire project has been incredibly counterproductive to the Jewish population. The way Israel is responding through censorship and destroying people's livelihoods is incredibly counterproductive for their own cause. But they can't help themselves because the other option would mean they'd have to stop pursuing the Greater Israel Project. They'd have to stop annexing land that doesn't belong to them, and they would have to stop slaughtering innocent people, including doctors, including peacekeepers, including humanitarian aid workers, including women and children. And they just can't stop themselves from doing that. They can't get enough. It is what it is and we have to be honest about that.
Clayton Morris
So then the other side is then they can start to try to shut down social media companies, something they would never do, like TikTok or otherwise. They would never do something like that or have those projects sold. And now, I mean, they do have a massive PR problem. The fact that you have like CNN literally devoting an entire segment about how Americans really don't like Benjamin Netanyahu. Take a listen.
News Reporter
Yeah, it's exactly right. But it's not just a problem that Israel has when it comes to public opinion United States, it's Netanyahu himself who has a major problem when it comes to public opinion in the United States. Look at this. Americans say they are not confident when it comes to Netanyahu and world affairs. Look at this. In 2023, the not confident percentage was 42, up significantly. Up like a rocket, up to 59%. That's a nearly 20 point movement in just three years time. And now the majority of Americans say they are not confident when it comes to, to Bibi Netanyahu and world affairs. And we're not just talking Democrats here, we're talking the entire American public, nearly three in five.
David
Yeah.
Clayton Morris
So it's not just Democrats, Anna.
Anna Kasparian
Right. Well, I think if we had independent media around for longer than it's been around, I think that that percentage would actually be much higher. I mean, look at the Israeli population. The disapproval numbers are much higher in Israel as it pertains to Benjamin Netanyahu. He's a war criminal. He doesn't care about anyone but himself. He's obviously deeply corrupt and is avoiding his own prosecution when it comes to his corruption. And so honestly, 59% is too low. When it comes to the percentage of Americans who have no trust in Netanyahu, it should be 100%.
Natalie
That's what I was thinking because I
Clayton Morris
think he's polling too. Is probably a lot of older people.
Natalie
Sure.
Clayton Morris
It's just my sense, like, what young person do you ever know that answers a poll? But anyway, go ahead.
Anna Kasparian
True, true. That's a good point.
Natalie
I want to ask you about the vomit that is partisan politics. You do a really good job of seeing through it. There's this false dichotomy that President Trump is trying to put forward. And I think it's an effort to win the midterm elections that, you know, Democrats versus Republicans on Iran, that Democrats were soft on Iran and Republicans are not. He's trying to promote this idea that Democrats are pro Iran. It's sort of a stupid argument, and it's not true because both Obama and Clinton rejected diplomacy, diplomacy with Iran. Clinton used them to get weapons to the Bosnians and then screwed them over when they asked for sanctions release. Obama launched a cyber weapon on them and ignored efforts for diplomacy, destroyed their centrifuges. Right. And so President Trump trying to sell this idea that Democrats and Obama were pro Iran, it just betrays the historical truth. The evidence suggests otherwise, that the United States has been unilaterally for 40 years working against Iran, at whose behest we don't quite know. I have a guess. But will the voting population buy this sort of Democrats are for Iran. That's why you can't vote for them.
Anna Kasparian
I don't think so, to be honest with you. I mean, look, there's one small area where I think Obama did pursue diplomacy to some extent. Although overall his foreign policy was basically George W. Bush's foreign policy on steroids. However, he did secure the jcpoa. So I got to give him some credit for that. I think that, you know, there's this big misconception, which is that in order to avoid war, right, you have to love the country that you're negotiating with. You don't have to love Iran. You can actually really dislike Iran, their system of government, whatever it is. But you could pursue diplomacy in order to secure certain things that you want. Now, here's the problem, though. In the case of Iran, no one's really worried about them building nuclear weapons. That was always a cover story. So what exactly is it that we want from Iran? We want regime change. Now, we as the United States doesn't necessarily want that. Israel wants that. Israel dictates our foreign policy, which is why that was what Trump initially pursued. The fact of the matter is Trump is the only president who was stupid enough to enter this war against Iran, despite the fact that we had Benjamin Netanyahu egging it on for decades. Obama didn't do it. George W. Bush, even though he was war hungry, didn't do it. Biden didn't do it. Although I wasn't a huge fan of his foreign policy, that's for sure. Trump was the only US President who was stupid enough to be manipulated by Mossad, manipulated by Netanyahu, to enter this war under this ridiculous impression that the regime is going to be toppled immediately, we're gonna weaken their military, and then the people of Iran, Iran, will rise up and, you know, essentially topple the regime. But obviously that didn't. That wasn't carried out. And anyone who was paying close attention, anyone who was more informed than Trump was, would have avoided this war. He is going to suffer political consequences. The Republican Party is going to suffer huge political consequences for this. And so if we're having a comparative, you know, analysis over which party is going to suffer the most over decisions made with Iran, I would say it's the Republicans because of what Trump has just done.
Natalie
Right. And I find myself, my reaction when President Trump says Obama chose Iran over Israel, I find myself thinking, I'm actually okay with that. Like, I would. I would make that choice now, knowing what I know, that doesn't make me pro Iranian leaders. And is that the reaction they want from us? Because that's what they're getting, and it's human. After what we've endured watching Israel, do I forgive myself that response?
Anna Kasparian
Well, we are aligned with all sorts of world leaders and countries that have a system of government that we vehemently disagree with. I mean, are we really. Let's do a comparative analysis of Iran versus Saudi Arabia. Are we pretending like Saudi Arabia is, like, at the pinnacle of, you know, humanitarian rights or human rights? Please. I mean, come on.
Clayton Morris
Trump's meeting with China, Xi Jinping, I mean, for crying out loud.
Anna Kasparian
Exactly. And so I think that it would have been far better if we had formed some sort of economic alliance or just alliance with Iran as opposed to Israel. I mean, you look at the conduct of Iran versus Israel, and I mean, it's night and day. How can you deny that Iran is specifically targeting, you know, military bases and strategic sites? In fact, I think the best way to end this war is for Iran to maybe take it a little lighter on the Gulf countries. It's been a smart strategy, for sure. However, you need to give Israel a reason to end this war. And so maybe some of the strikes should be focused on Israel until they cry uncle, because obviously, and unfortunately, they're the ones who get to dictate when this war ends. So maybe persuade them that it needs to end.
Anders Ottison
Right.
Clayton Morris
And how much of the fog has hidden. Absolutely. How much has been damaged inside of Israel, we'll probably never know. I'll get you out of here on this, Anna, which is you heard President Trump there at the very beginning saying this ceasefire is on life support, joking about it today, saying about a 1% chance that the ceasefire sustains. So by all accounts, we're heading back into some sort of massive conflict. What that looks like, we don't know. What's your sense of where things head next?
Anna Kasparian
If Trump makes the mistake of reengaging a kinetic hot war, he would be making yet another mistake. He would be compounding his mistakes. All you need to do is listen to people who actually know what they're talking about. So I'm not a military expert, but I do trust those who are. So Colonel Douglas McGregor, Daniel Davis is another example. These are individuals who understand what would be necessary in order to secure the gains that Trump is seeking here, whether it be regime change, whether it be the retrieval of the enriched uranium and fact of the matter is, or even forcing open the Strait of Hormuz. We don't have the military capability to make any of that happen. We just don't. And just because we're spending now close to $1 trillion a year on our military doesn't mean we're getting our money's worth. We know that these defense contractors are overcharging American taxpayers. We know that they're increasing their profits to the detriment of military preparedness and the American people. And so, I mean, just consider the fact that Iran is like using these incredibly cheap, easy to make drones and they're posing a real challenge to our military capability. That is insane. But that's just the facts on the ground, or those are the facts on the ground. So I just don't know what Trump thinks he would accomplish by going back to bombing Iran. It didn't accomplish anything in the past. It's not going to accomplish anything moving forward.
Clayton Morris
No, it's like the Vietnam conundrum doubling
David
down because you can't admit defeat and
Clayton Morris
just take the L and go home, unfortunately. Anna, great to see you. Thank you so much. Host of the Young Turks. Great to finally have you on the show.
David
I can't believe we haven't but finally
Clayton Morris
the stars align and schedules align.
David
So thank you for joining us.
Clayton Morris
Great analysis.
David
Really appreciate it.
Anna Kasparian
Thank you. Love the show. Keep kicking ass. Love you guys.
Natalie
Ditto.
Clayton Morris
Ditto.
David
Thank you so much, Anna. Great to see you.
Clayton Morris
All right, coming up on the show, we're going to talk about more on specifically why right now there are neocons, specifically in Washington who neocons who push for the Iraq war are now coming out saying we are not winning. In fact, Iran has already won this war, which is pretty shocking. These are the same people that sent us to war in Iraq. Millions of people killed as a result of it. So we're going to analyze that here in a moment. And we're also going to talk about Michael Jackson.
Natalie
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Clayton Morris
Well, something pretty shocking happened this weekend, something that I certainly was not expecting. We're now seeing an open admission from former Iraq war planners and longtime neoconservative voices that the United States may have lost the war against Iran. And I want you to understand exactly how extraordinary that is for the Atlantic to publish a piece like this. Take a look called Checkmate in Iran. Washington can't reverse or control the consequences of losing this war. These are not anti war activists saying this. These are not America first types like Natalie and I saying this. No, these are the same people that sold America the Iraq war. Think Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, those types that cheered on decades of regime change operations, expanded the executive branch, expanded the government's ability to spy on Americans. The Patriot act expanded the war operations in Iraq that killed millions of people, completely shattered the Middle east, all for Israel's benefit. So what the hell happened here? Well, Moon of Alabama did a fantastic job laying this out because two very important articles appeared almost back to back that I want to highlight. The first came from Prince Turki Al Fassel, the former head of Saudi intelligence and former Saudi Ambassador to the United States. This is not some fringe blogger. This is a man who understands the region, understands intelligence, understands power, understands exactly how the Gulf monarchies think. And in his piece, he basically says Saudi Arabia refused to be dragged into Israel's war plan. He says that the Crown Prince didn't fall for it and instead offered restraint. That's the key point. Didn't fall for Netanyahu's bullshit. So for weeks, the usual suspects told us that the Gulf states were secretly cheering this on. You heard about it, right? They wanted war with Iran. They told us that Saudi Arabia wanted Iran crushed. If you watched Fox News, you would have heard like General Keith telling us that that's what the Gulf states wanted. They wanted Iran to be crushed. They told us America was building this broad regional front against Tehran and they were going to become the pariah in the region. But according to Prince Turkey, that was not what happened. Sure, Iran hit American targets in Saudi Arabia. So what? Iran avoided actually hitting Saudi infrastructure. And now Saudi Aramco Oil is seeing record profits. So Iran basically left it alone and went after American stuff. He says Saudi leadership avoided the trap that was set by Israel. The piece is really fascinating. You should all read it. They understood that if Saudi Arabia had retaliated against Iran, then Iranian missiles could have hit Saudi oil facilities, desalinization plants, ports, energy infrastructure. In other words, Saudi Arabia looked at the map, looked at the risk, and said, sorry, we're not going to get involved in this. And then he goes further in this piece. He says Israel's goal was to ignite a regional war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Think about that. A former head of Saudi intelligence is openly saying that Israel tried to pull the Kingdom into a catastrophic regional conflict and Saudi Arabia refused to take Bibi's bait. Sorry, baby, we're not your bitches. That alone is a massive story. Like if that was one of the only pieces that came out this weekend, that would have been it. No one in the establishment, establishment media, of course, is covering that story at all. That's why we're covering it here at Redacted. Again. It was enough. That article was enough. Then came the second article, and this one is even more remarkable from the Atlantic. Robert Kagan, one of the grand old men of the neoconservative movement, published a piece in the Atlantic basically arguing that the United States is facing defeat in Iran. Kagan is not some dove. So this is the clown, by the way, that gave us like the think tank, the Project for a New American Century. These are the war hawks who believed American military power could remake the Middle east by force. Killing millions of people would help the United States. If we put military bases in their backyard and we kill millions of people will be golden. So now Kagan is looking at Iran and saying, quote, this may be checkmate. Iran won and we lost. Why? Again, these are the same people that have been pushing us to go to war for years. So how did we lose exactly? Well, he says because Iran did not collapse like Israel said it would. In other words, the regime did not fall, the military did not disintegrate, the leadership didn't fold, and most importantly, Iran gained leverage over the one place that matters more than anything else in the global economy. The Strait of Hormuz. Side note, we hear it redacted. Released a short form documentary today on why Iran Didn't Collapse. In fact, that's the name of it, why Iran Didn't Collapse. It's here on our channel. We put a lot of work into it and I hope you'll watch it because it lays out exactly why Iran hasn't collapsed. So that's the entire ball game here. The US can't win because Iran, Iran can't collapse. Turns out though, a 2000 year old country with 91 million people is not going to simply turn tail and run away. For years, Washington operated under this assumption that the United States Navy controlled the Persian Gulf. Right, with our large aircraft carriers strength, right? America could sanction Iran, threaten Iran, bomb Iran, isolate them and keep the energy lanes wide open using our large aircraft carriers and our slick military. But this war exposed something terrifying for the US Empire. Iran can actually hit back and hit back hard. And I know they're trying to hide this from people like destroying American bases all over the region, by the way, hitting American aircraft carriers and American destroyers They don't want you to know about the damage that those have taken. By the way, that will be.
David
Shh.
Clayton Morris
Don't tell anyone about that. So in other words, Iran holds all the cards, but no one wants to admit that American dominance does not look so dominant anymore. This is why Kagan's article matters so much, in my opinion. He's not saying the United States has lost because he suddenly became an anti war advocate. He's not. He's suddenly America first or something? No, for as long as I've been aware of him and interviewed him years ago on Fox News when I worked there, he, you know, he's by all accounts of war hawk. No, he is admitting that the United States lost because the war failed to achieve its objectives, which was regime change and a collapse of the country. So he admits the cost of escalating further may be even worse.
Natalie
Wow.
Clayton Morris
Like actual restraint from a neocon. So what is Trump supposed to do now? We've been saying, Mr. President, take the loss, take the L. So many of our guests here on Redacted have said that, Mr. President, just say, hey, we're done. Declare victory, whatever you want to say, pretend like we're victorious, and then go home, say goodbye, get out of the Middle East. But Netanyahu won't let him. Of course, if he bombs more, Iran can retaliate more if he tries to reopen the Strait by force, which seems to be what's going to happen. American ships, Gulf energy infrastructure become targets once again. It's like, you know, it's like the definition of an insanity. Right? You're just going to keep repeating the same thing over and over, hoping for a different outcome. So what's the new outcome here? You know, launch a nuclear war. So if he launches a full scale war, then it's game over. We are talking about the possibility of a massive ground operation, naval operation, against a country of 90 million people with hypersonic missiles, vast underground manufacturing caves and missile construction. This is why Robert Pape, who's been on our show multiple times, he says Trump is trapped. And he said this last week on our show, because if he walks away, Iran emerges much stronger and America is no longer the unquestioned boss in the Middle East. Take your ball and go home.
David
Home.
Clayton Morris
So this is why this moment is so important, in my opinion. I mean, what does Trump do next here? What does Israel want him to do? The neocons are not admitting defeat because they somehow found Jesus. They're admitting it's game over because their bullshit strategy was never going to work. And now that it's out there for everyone to see, there's no hiding it anymore. See, it was very convenient. The way I was thinking about this as I was writing this piece today is like. Like for years they could push the massive military industrial complex to make billions and billions of dollars on this false premise that they've been trying to sell us for so many years. And now it's out there for everyone to see. You're not gonna have regime change in Iran. You're not gonna control the Strait of Hormuz. So I don't know what you were smoking, but now the emperor has no clothes. Everyone can see that your whole think tank bullshit for decades was a lie. There's no hiding it anymore. All of those neocons that would go on Fox News and would spout BS till the cows came home and no one would challenge them. The only person that would ever really challenge any of those people on the air was Tucker Carlson. You get these neocon pro Israel, Iran war hawks on there all the time and he would call them out. But there's no hiding this BS anymore. It's out there. We can see it didn't work. They thought Iran would crack. Iran did not crack. They thought the Gulf states would line up behind Israel. Saudi Arabia refused, didn't fall for the trap. They thought American military power would terrify the region into some sort of submission. Submission. Instead, American destroyers got hit, damaged. American aircraft carriers as well have to turn and turn tail and leave like Gerald Ford. That's a real story here. Not just that America lost a war, but that the people who built and pushed the war machine are starting to admit that it never really worked. It never really worked. And the whole thing was BS from the very beginning. And now we see it. And now they're admitting it in pieces in the Atlantic. Anyway, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this in the comments below.
Natalie
At least it's not taking 20 years like the Gulf War. We can see it right away. We've been able to see it from the beginning thanks to independent media.
Clayton Morris
That's true. Yeah. Now we can see it. It's 70, 71 days that this war was supposed to take. Four days, right? They told us four days. Regime change in four days. Sorry, that was never going to happen. And now it's 71 days. How much longer do you continue this boondoggle? Like, do you keep going? Like the Vietnam War or Afghanistan or Iraq? Like, you know, what do you keep doing?
Natalie
Yeah, what are we doing here?
Clayton Morris
What are you Doing Harry.
Natalie
Well, thank you for that. That was wonderful.
Unidentified Male Commentator
Thank you.
Natalie
Great. It was fantastic analysis. Coming up, we're going to talk about the new Michael Jackson accusations. And I am thrilled to see what you bring to this chat room. What you think of this.
Clayton Morris
Thrilled. Get to see what she did there.
Natalie
Yeah. Okay.
Clayton Morris
She's not going off the wall.
Natalie
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Clayton Morris
David can do it.
Natalie
Can you do it? I think we can only do it on YouTube.
Clayton Morris
Indeed.
Natalie
So I want to ask you, do you believe the accusations against Michael Jackson just flat out, based on what your preconceived notions are, do you believe them? Yes or no? I'm just curious on what the temperature is before I start this segment and
Clayton Morris
move that out of the way because
David
it's right in your shot, that big water bottle, FYI.
Natalie
Fine, I'll do that.
Clayton Morris
So no. Do they? Almost overwhelmingly no. We have a lot of smart people in our audience. No, no, no, no, no.
David
Yes, Very smart people.
Natalie
Okay, all right. I'm just. Who I'm talking to.
Clayton Morris
There's an occasional person there who doesn't know the truth about it.
Natalie
Okay, so let's take a look. Now, a new group of accusers of Michael Jackson are being paraded across the media right on the heels of the massive success of the biopic Michael. Now, over the weekend, 60 Minutes Australia published this hour long piece about a group of siblings saying that Michael Jackson abused them for years. This is how sensational it gets. At one point, one of the siblings says that Jackson drank his urine, said, I love you so much, I'm gonna drink your pee.
Interviewer on 60 Minutes
Come on.
Natalie
To show you how much I love you. He says it.
David
I think we're stupid.
Natalie
He says those things. I chose not to bring the clip. Now, can anyone prove that these are false? Well, Michael Jackson. Jackson maybe could, but he's dead, so he's not here to defend himself. The Casio siblings don't provide any proof other than their own word. But their credibility and their financial conflict of interest is worth serious consideration. And which is why we should exercise extreme caution when we hear this. Unfortunately, the media pieces, both the New York Times and 60 Minutes Australia and various other sources do not give you these caveats about their credibility. So I'm going to now, before we do this, I'm going to tell you what my mindset is in reporting this. Number one, every single Michael Jackson accuser since he started being accused of sexual abuse of children in the 90s was riddled with financial credibility issues. They had financial conflicts of interest, and they had major credibility issues. Jackson's civil rights were severely trampled on in his 2005 trial in a way that should scare all of us. His legal team was raided by police, which is illegal. You are supposed to have lawyer privilege, attorney client privilege. An arrest warrant was issued on the same day that the search warrant was issued on his house, meaning they had presumed his guilt and put out for his arrest before they had even found any, even one piece of of evidence. Now, dead or alive, as an American, his rights are to be presumed innocent until proven guilty. No one has ever proven his guilt in a court of law. And the timing of this litigation is successful. If it is successful, would be very profitable for his accusers, who they say are just trying to do this to help other victims. It's interesting that the timing of these allegations coincides with the massive success of not just the Michael biopic, biopic, which is making millions for the estate, but also the fact that his music is charting again in billboards. The Cirque du Soleil show made a ton of money and continues to do so, and so does MJ the Musical, all of which are owned by the estate. Now, the media has never accurately reported on Jackson's sexual abuse claims. They always leave out the financial conflicts of interest of the witnesses and the accusers. During the 2005 trial, the accusers would repeat these salacious sexual details and the press would run outside to report it to their cameras, never hearing Jackson's own attorney destroy the credibility in their cross examination. So these are all things we need to consider. It's with that eye that I present to you these new claims. Here are the Cassio siblings. One of them is missing for a reason. Their brother Frank. And we'll get to why in a minute. Now, they are among a group of people who say that after the Neverland Leaving Neverland documentary that was on HBO in 2019, they suddenly remembered being abused by Michael Jackson. Now this show is so full of holes that I can't even go through them one by one. But I'm going to just sort of summarize a few inconsistencies that you would think if you were close friends with Michael Jackson, they should have recognized right away, not like, oh well, if this is true, then I was abused too. First off, the two main victims of the movie, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, both were adamant defenders of Michael Jackson. Both in 1993 and in 2005 when he was accused twice, they were vehemently against all of these allegations. They said, no way Michael did this. He couldn't have done it. We know him really well. Absolutely not. They were vocal and vehement. So were the Casios. And in fact, Robson was the first witness who was called during the 2005 trial because Jackson's lawyer thought that his testimony was so strong. Now, Robson says that he just suddenly remembered as an adult that he had been abused as a child, which is possible, I guess, but it didn't happen until after he'd been paid to dance behind Janet. That's him right there in a 2009 VMA tribute to Michael Jackson. Or after he'd pitched tribute shows to all the dance shows on the major networks with himself as the choreographer, or after he applied to be a dancer on the Michael Jackson Cirque du Soleil to. So he went out there to try and get all this money making opportunity around his relationship to Michael Jackson. And then when all of that dried up, he suddenly remembered that he was accused by Jackson. Now the film leaves all of those things out. It also has Robson saying that he had discouraged me from trying to get close to girls because Jackson loved me so much. He was, you know, possessive of me. Well, leaves out the fact that Michael Jackson set him up with his niece Brandy. They dated for seven years for most of their teens, until he cheated on her with Britney Spears. Why do you think the film would leave that out? That's kind of interesting and relevant, don't you think?
Benjamin Netanyahu
Right.
Clayton Morris
Yeah. He's a hetero. Oh, he's heterosexual. And I set him up with my niece and he's been dating her for seven years.
Natalie
Right.
David
Like, okay.
Natalie
And reporting out of the movie.
Clayton Morris
Leave it out of the movie.
Natalie
And I'm no Britney Spears expert, but reportedly Robson is the one who she cheated on Justin Timberlake with. Although I think that's contested. I don't care about Brittany and Justin. Someone else researched that. The other accuser was is named James Safechuck. He claims that he was abused in Neverland Castle. The train station and the teepees that are on the premises in 1990. Those things were not built built in 1990. Jackson didn't even contract an architect until 1990. The train station wasn't finished until 1994. Surely this dummy would have fact checked those things before he brought that to his litigation or to a documentary. But okay, he insinuates that by 1994, Jackson had already moved on to other people, so he could not have ever been assaulted in the train station. This film is full of holes like that. You would think the Casios who claim to have been really close friends with Michael Jackson would have recognized this immediately. But instead they said, oh, it jogged our memory at all. At the same time, all of us siblings, that we were victims. Now, while Michael Jackson was alive again, the Casios defended him to the better end and they profited handsomely from doing so. Jackson died in 2009. The next year, Michael Jackson items that were owned by the Casios appeared for big money on ebay. And then in that same year, the Casios claimed that they had unreleased music of Michael Jackson that they sold to Sony. They said, Michael Jackson came to our house and recorded these in the basement. And they sold them to Sony and Sony started putting them out. The problem is they were faked. We don't know how much they made from this, but we assume that it's millions, if not billions. It was a fan that recognized this is not Michael Jackson. The fan sued Sony. The Casios were dragged into litigation, but Sony settled the lawsuit and the Casios were never actually held to account. For having sold, presumably, what they knew to be faked songs. I mean, there. There is a person who recorded them as Michael Jackson. The Casios had to have known that. Now, in 2011, Frank Cassio, again, who's not shown in this social media, but does say he was abused, wrote this book called My Friend Michael. And again, he denies in the book over and over that Michael. Michael could ever sexually abuse anyone or that he was abused. And then in 2019, leaving Neverland comes out full of holes like I've talked about. And now the Casios are saying, hashtag me too. Now, alongside two other very shady characters, it is worth noting that the Casios say that they claimed abuse originally in 2020, right after leaving Neverland. And they did, in fact get a settlement payout from the Jackson estate. According to the New York Times, they got about $16 million. But notice what it says there. The payments dried up in 2025. And now the Casios are returning to the press saying that they want more. Now, again, they're saying, we just are doing this for other victims. So I ask you, they already got 16 million, reportedly. What will them getting more do for victims? I'm just curious. I'm just asking. Now, you would think that since they signed a settlement, they agreed to keep these allegations private and out of court and that the dollar amount that they collected was all that they would ever get. In fact, that is exactly what the estate is saying. We settled on this. How can you come back and do this again? That's what a settlement it is. You relinquish your rights to something in exchange for the money that you take, which is why this situation is so bizarre. Now, according to the reporting that casios allegedly accepted 16 million, and now that the payments stop, they want more. They're saying, well, we signed this settlement under coercion. We took that 16 million under coercion, even though it was them who brought the settlement, them who went to the estate asking for money with the intent of getting money. They got that money, and now they're saying they were coerced. So I guess that's not enough. And, you know, it's interesting that they see the Jackson estate raking in billions, not just from the musical and the film and the Cirque du Soleil tour, but also the fact that Jackson's music is now back in Billboard charts. Now, let's set aside for a minute who the executors of the estate are. That is probably problematic, but I don't want to get distracted. I do have questions on why the estate would settle with the Casios and not the other two men who are going to trial in November. Maybe because their cases are just so bad, so bad that a judge reprimanded one of. Reprimanded one of them for lying under oath. And their cases have been repeatedly dismissed. They keep using different types of legal ease to bring them back up. Now, I want to make one important point about these new allegations from the Casios and Robson and Safechuck. All of them make the case that they, they were young and that they consented to these sexual relationships because they loved him. They make the case that they were in love with Michael Jackson and he was in love with them too. They insinuate that he wanted to marry them. Even now, the two original accusers never made that claim. And in fact, the two original accusers have repeatedly declined to participate in these new allegations. Jordan Chandler, the first boy who ever came to light about this in 1994, he left the country to avoid being served by Robson. For people who say they care about victims, they really are harassing the other victims. None of them, by their own admission, have ever reached out to the arvizos who were the accusers in 2005. You would think that they'd want to apologize for testifying against him, but they say they haven't. So if they really want to help victims, they should start by being good to those two who they now say they believe, but they didn't do that. And again, they're promoting this idea that, you know, they were in love with him. Now, the first two accusers never said that they have upped the ante on what happened. They're saying it was more than the first two have ever said. It was sex, it was oral, it was up the behind that kind of stuff. Sorry. So, you know, what does that mean, the fact that they're saying, no, we were consensual, we loved him. Well, this risks giving future abusers language to blur the lines between exploitation and consent in children. They're now promoting this pro pedophilia narrative. So what does that mean? If they are lying, then they could be hurting future sexual abuse victims by promoting this pedophilia narrative that victims are into it. Now, all of this seems so obvious to report alongside these new claims, and yet the media is not doing that. You would think that the media would avoid what they did in 93 and 2005 to tell the full story, but the clearly have not. They have profited from doing it this way for decades, and so they are not being honest now. Now you don't have to declare that Michael Jackson was an angel to recognize when media standards are collapsing. Credibility matters, consistency matters, context matters. And yet once again, the audience is being asked to suspend all three. So that's the context that is not being reported in this new media round of allegations around Michael Jackson. So let me know what you think.
Clayton Morris
And people in the comments pointing out they also was speaking out about Palestine and people didn't like that.
Natalie
Now, I have not seen proof of that. I have seen social media posts about that. If you have proof, because I do want to see it for myself, I very much would like to see it. So please send it to me on X. I, I want to send. See, not, not someone else's social media assertion of it, but actual evidence. Yes, please. Okay, so what is the general consensus around whether or not people think Michael Jackson?
Clayton Morris
Oh, I mean, most people are pretty
David
smart in our chat. They do not believe the allegations against him.
Clayton Morris
And you once you understand that these people had crazy stories that they made up where like, they're like, I was in this building when he raped me and it turns out the building wasn't even there for like they hadn't even built the building for another two years.
Natalie
Right. Something else I failed to mention is that Robson tried to have his wedding at Neverland in 2005 and then, oh, oops, seven years later, you remember. Would you want, do you think that like, when you're thinking about romantic love and committing to someone, you might remember that Michael Jackson had hurt you in these places and maybe not want to have your wedding there?
Clayton Morris
Like, I just.
Natalie
This is the location of my butt rape, darling. Shall we do our vows here?
David
Yeah, let's go get married there. Okay.
Clayton Morris
No, yeah, but a lot of people
David
have different thoughts on that.
Clayton Morris
So where was the poll?
David
Let me see the poll, see if I can pull.
Natalie
It was on YouTube.
David
Yeah, it's hard for me to find it.
Clayton Morris
David, what's the result of the poll?
David
I'm like, lost him.
Natalie
Yeah, I don't see it anywhere.
Clayton Morris
David. Okay, it is, it's weird. YouTube changed the layout and I can't actually see how many people voted. 1100 votes. Votes. 91. No. 9%. Yes.
David
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Clayton Morris
I think when you start to really educate yourself on this, you'll drop from that 9% down. Like it's very easy to be caught up in like the, the media propaganda and think that like the non stop, like media propaganda against him for so many years. Like, and people just like kind of consciously just assume that it was real. The ABC Diane, what's her name, Diane Square Sawyer interviews, like all of that
David
kind of stuff and just the push,
Clayton Morris
push, push by the legacy media.
Natalie
Yeah.
Clayton Morris
Anyway, but the movie's great. We've seen it twice.
David
It's a lot of fun.
Natalie
And the Michael Jackson movie, not Leaving Neverland.
Clayton Morris
Yeah. No, no, no.
Natalie
That is not great.
David
That is not great.
Clayton Morris
Full of garbage.
Natalie
I will continue to report on how that is not great.
Clayton Morris
Coming up, we're going to talk about Area 51 and the secrets there. You remember, of course, the series of earthquakes that transpired just a few short weeks ago and they all happened right before UFO disclosure by the Trump administration
David
seem to be unfolding.
Clayton Morris
But now something else is happening. A massive land grab at Area 51 for safety reasons. Why you need tens of thousands more acres now for what sort of massive expansion is happening at Area 51. We're going to talk about that in moments. But first, I don't know if you've seen what's happened with gold and silver. Holy smokes. Exploding and Peter Schiff today. Economist Peter Schiff was on, I think FOX Business this morning saying that the
David
US Dollar is heading for collapse and
Clayton Morris
that the US Dollar will in essential. It will essentially be swapped out for gold and silver, replaced by gold and silver. Of course. That's what we've been saying for years here on this show. Gold and silver, it's a tangible asset just like real estate. That's the real story here, you know. And what is the most essential asset in your life right now is one you probably don't even own. I'm talking about silver. Silver exploding. Right now, the industrial world is running out of it. The US Government recently designated silver as a critical mineral. Why? Because you can't build a solar panel. You can't do anything with electric vehicles, modern computers without silver. So for five straight years, we've used more silver than we can mine. Unlike paper money, producers can't just print more silver to meet the exploding demand. This isn't just a shiny metal anymore. It's a matter of national security and economic survival. That's why experts see it hitting about $150 an ounce. And bank of America, they say it could climb to $300 by the end of the year. So if you think about that, if the industry, industries need it to power them, everything they're doing, the world needs it. You need to own it. So call our friends today at Lear Capital, give them 10 minutes and they'll help you get started today. That's 1-800-613-3557 or go to Lear redacted.com and you can download their free silver report. Just give them a call. They're an American company. 1-800-613-3557 or go to learredacted.com see if it's a fit for you and your family. But please protect yourselves. Right now if you've got your most of your family's assets hidden, like protected in US Dollars. Please, please, please, like, I don't care if you use Lear. I don't care what you do. Just do not, I mean, don't tie your family's futures to the US dollar, please. $39 trillion in debt. Now they're adding 1.5 trillion for a massive military industrial complex expansion. And you want your family's future tied to that. Please diversify out of that. Again, I don't care if you use Lear. That's who I use. But please protect your family. Right now you can check them out learedacted.com or call them 1-800-613-3557.
David
And they've been great supporters of our
Clayton Morris
show for many years here.
David
So thanks to Lear for that.
Clayton Morris
Well, a few short weeks ago, we saw a number of bizarre are earthquakes happening in and around the Area 51 area out in Nevada, not just close by, but expanded areas. And so a lot of people are curious why this was all happening at the same time that we are getting ready for UFO disclosure in the United States. And then of course, we got our first tranche of documents released and videos and audio files released by the US Government just last week. But something else has been unfolding at Area 51, and that is the seizure of over 22,000 acres of public land near the base, which encompasses Ticaboo Peak and other remote viewing areas, areas where our next guest has managed to climb up and document what is actually going on at Area 51. Is this all in an effort to try to quiet people like our next guest? Anders Ottison is the host of uncanny expeditions on YouTube, one of my favorite guests to talk about what's going on out there in these zones. And a man who has actually been to these sites with his own camera, his own camping gear and had to be kicked out by creepy guys in trucks with guns. Anders is back on the show. Anders, great to see you. Welcome back.
Anders Ottison
Yeah, it's great to be back. Thanks for having me.
Clayton Morris
My pleasure. So what is going on here with this land seizure? And we can talk about maybe some
David
of the if you experience some of
Clayton Morris
these earthquakes in a moment. But 22,000 acres of public land they're now seizing.
Anders Ottison
Yeah. So it's never a dull moment out at Area 51 these days, it seems like. And as you stated, the latest development is this massive land seizure that encompasses the most well known viewpoint for Area 50 51, which is Ticaboo Peak. Now, Ticaboo Peak has been climbed for over 30 years. People come from all over to climb it. And it sits on public land that's supposed to be managed by the Bureau of Land Management. The thing is, is basically since this land is actually 26 miles away from the base, the way they were able to seize this land is very strange. So all of a sudden the BLM Bureau of Land Management came out and said this is a safety hazard. In fact, I'll read what they say here. They say the area proposed for closure, the mountain slopes are too steep for safe foot traffic and the rocky ground is dangerously unstable. Well, anybody who's familiar with this area or Nevada in general, knows that this is no more dangerous of an area than anywhere else in the state. In fact, I've been to a lot of places, I wouldn't even rate this in the top 10 as far as danger. So it's very obviously a situation where the military went to the Bureau of Land Management, which is supposed to be an independent agency, and they told them, hey, look, we need this area closed off. We don't care how you do it. And the other part of it is, is not only did they seize the mountain peaks, but they seized, like I said, over 22,000 acres. So there's this huge part of the valley and part of a national monument with petroglyph sites, OHV trails, all this stuff that's supposed to belong to the American taxpayer. We now have the military that came in and just took it over without any kind of, of due process.
Clayton Morris
So Area 51, for our audience that's not familiar is of course the Groom Lake test facility in Nevada. Different from S4 and some of these other facilities. This famously because we know from declassified CIA documents, operation or oxcart, of course, the U2 spy plane programs that all came out later were being tested there. You've been there when you were. Well, you've been close by until you were shoot away. How close were you able to get to Groom Lake and what did you see when you were there?
Anders Ottison
Yeah, so I've been, I've been all around the perimeter. Groom Lake sits within a much larger land area Known as the Nevada test and Training Range and the closest border point, you're still probably about 10 miles away or so from the base, and you can't actually see the base from that viewpoint. The closest viewpoint to actually look down into it was the Ticaboo Peak area, which is 26 miles away. I've seen quite a few interesting things out there. I did capture some sort of an aircraft that I wasn't able to identify. It was kind of a triangular shape. It was some sort of a test flight. I've seen interesting lights beaming up from the base. That could be some kind of a, you know, some sort of a satellite system or some. Some sort of odd. Odd situation there. The UAV crash site, which we're showing footage of here now. Now, this is another pretty big event that took place last year. So some sort of an unidentified unmanned aircraft went down not too far from the front gate to Area 51. And this actually ties in a little bit to the land seizure that they just did, because I was looking at the map, and they actually have this little segment of the seized area that extends outward to the west, and it blocks the trail that you would need to get to the UAV crash site. Now, a lot of us have been out there poking around over the last few months, and I really think that they added that little part just basically, you know, to tell us to. To stop going out there. So it's kind of interesting how, you know, the justification for safety somehow also pertains to this spot that's nowhere near the mountain, but is actually where this aircraft went down.
Clayton Morris
So that's exactly what this sounds like, right? I mean, if you hear about this, it's clearly to keep people like you away, and they're, you know, claiming that it's safety because some of the rocks are a little unstable. But by that metric, you could. I mean, just go around the United States. You could. I mean, you could seize up as much public land as you want based because there's a few rocks that might give away if you step on them. I mean, what.
David
Good, Phil.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
I'm, like, an hour and a half away from Mount Hood. I'm wearing shorts and sandals right now. I could just drive over there and go try to climb Mount Hood. I would die doing it, but nobody would stop me. It seems like it's pretty dangerous.
Clayton Morris
This is insane land to protect you.
Anders Ottison
It's like they didn't even put any kind of effort into, you know, making up a believable justification. It's. It's. I. I posted about it that it's, it's just an insult to everybody's intelligence who knows the area. And as you say, there's, there's places where people actually have gotten injured and have died out in the wilderness. Those places aren't closed. You know, this is a place where nobody's ever been injured. And yeah, people died. Very clear cut case.
Clayton Morris
People die at the Grand Canyon every year. Like oh yeah, so let's just seize that and you know, keep that from, you know, allowing access by any hikers, anybody to go to the Grand Canyon to look around. So.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
Or people will swim at Yellowstone. That doesn't work out well for them. But they don't close Yellowstone.
David
Right.
Anders Ottison
I should also bring up, there's, there's a secondary justification that they list in their, their closure order and this pertains to what's, what's purported to be a weather research tower that sits on top of Ticaboo Peak. Now this, this weather research tower has, it's put up by this organization called the Desert Research Institute and they cite in the closure order that they believe it's at risk of vandalism. Now it's never even been talked about being vandalized. So they completely made this up and they say it might disrupt real time weather data and harm ongoing research efforts. Now the interesting thing is this weather tower has been conclusively demonstrated to be a front for a surveillance camera and surveillance system that watches the valley and Ticaboo Peak. So the military put up this weather station in a place that it doesn't need to be just to have a front for a surveillance system. And then now they're coming around years later and saying, oh, it might get vandalized. So it's this weird kind of circular reasoning there, which I also found interesting.
Clayton Morris
Do you think that there's any relationship with the release, recent release of these UF UFO documents and disclosure and the new S4 documentary with Bob Lazar which is, you know, incredible for those of our audience, you haven't seen it yet. It's, I think it's on Amazon prime. If you're like not a believer, like this is one of those movies you've got to watch. It's unbelievable because I think it'll, you know, dramatically change your opinion of it. But S4, okay, the site S4 I think is near Papoose Lake, right? Which is in the south southeast area of Area 51. Not Groom Lake, but a different area where Bob Lazar claimed that reverse engineering of craft was taking place. Multiple UFOs that he witnessed when he was there. But do you think that that has anything to do with it?
Anders Ottison
So yes and no. So Papoose Lake is geographically pretty close to Groom Lake, but you can't actually see it from Ticaboo because there's a mountain range between Area 51 and Papoose. Now there is a mountain that's like 50 miles away on the other side of the test range where you can see Papoose. And I've been there as well. But so I don't think they necessarily seized it to prevent people from seeing Papoose. But in relation to the S4 documentary, they do use a few shots. I don't know if they took them themselves or if they got them from somebody else, but that were taken or looked like they were taken from Ticaboo Peak. So the fact that that got kind of popularity popularized in an incredibly well known documentary, that could have definitely influenced them wanting to seize that viewpoint. And yeah, as far as relation to the, the files that were disclosed, I am a little bit more skeptical of that just because I'm not, I'm not necessarily the biggest believer that those files were earth shattering. I think a lot of these military originated videos that we're seeing nowadays, they're like kind of right on the edge of, you know, being interesting enough to debate. But then they're not, they never quite leave the realm of having like a plausible debunking. And you know, if the military really has this program that's been, been watching and even reverse engineering extraterrestrial craft, you know, they have, they're in possession of clear daytime, up close footage and yet all we're getting are the blurry stuff. So that's kind of where I'm at with as far as that goes.
David
Yeah.
Clayton Morris
What about the earthquakes there? When you were out there, did you experience any of these things? Do you think there's anything nefarious of foot or just, just earthquakes?
Anders Ottison
Yeah, you know, it's hard to say. So I actually was, I was filming something out of state during the period where they were occurring and I've kind of looked at some different analyses as far as if they're legitimate earthquakes or if it's something else. I lean towards the most likely explanation being that they are earthquakes. But I do think there is a percentage chance that they could be some sort of an underground, off the books, covert nuclear test. I think we'll have to kind of wait and see if any more of these quakes occur to make a judgment on that. And I know a lot of seismologists have kind of, you know, they've pointed to the seismic data and decided that some think it does look like a nuclear test. Others say, no, it doesn't quite fit the pattern. So I think we got to kind of wait and see on that one. But there is certainly a chance that it is not what it appears to be.
Clayton Morris
Congressman Tim Burchett, friend of the show, has said that what you've seen in these original document releases have been just a drop in the bucket. What, what the American people are about to see is like earth changing or earth shattering. If you're not a believer when you see this stuff, you're going to be blown away. So I think you're right about this initial batch. Like, we got some really interesting things from like the Apollo moon missions. We got some photos of, you know, the astronauts witnessing UFOs while they were on the moon. The Gemini audio transmissions are pretty remarkable. Those are interesting to me. But a lot of the earthbound stuff was not terribly interesting to me. It seemed like it could have been on the, like you said, on the fringe of being military related.
David
And we just don't know exactly.
Clayton Morris
Some sort of probe, uav. We don't know exactly. But what do you think he's referring to? Are we gonna see they're gonna release autopsy videos finally of alien bodies. We know they have them.
David
We know they, you know, but we're gonna see that.
Clayton Morris
What do you, what do you think?
Anders Ottison
Yeah, I mean, I certainly hope that's the case. You know, like I was saying, you know, if these records, records exist and the government isn't releasing them, and that's clearly, that clearly shows to me that they're not really serious about disclosure. You know, if they're, if they want to disclose something, they're not going to give us the, the blurry infrared dots from miles away. They would actually give us the, you know, the best evidence that they have and, you know, the fact that they've been, been holding back on that kind of thing. I'm skeptical of their, their motivations as to, to what that might mean, but I hope he's right and I hope some of this stuff that is really, really gonna change people's view, you know, I hope that kind of stuff comes out. I'm certainly looking forward to it if it does.
David
Yeah, for sure.
Clayton Morris
Med beds, jump rooms, time travel rooms. I mean, we talked to insiders, you know, that have told us about all of these things and witnessed all of these things. So I would love to see it Let us know where the time travel rooms are. I would love to go. I would love to visit. I'd love to visit the 1940s.
David
I'd love to check it out, see it all.
Anders Ottison
Sounds fun to meet you.
Clayton Morris
Anders, great to see you. Thank you so much for this. I haven't heard anyone reporting this story, so thank you for this, this massive land grab at Area 51.
David
Really appreciate it. Thanks and hope you come back.
Anders Ottison
Yeah, certainly will. Thanks for having me.
David
You bet. Great to see you.
Clayton Morris
Fascinating. What do you guys think about this land grab? To me, it's like clear, right? I mean it's clear as day. It's to keeping eyes out. Right.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
Somehow their rationale just didn't sell me. I just, I just. I don't know, there's something about it that just sounds a bit flimsy.
Clayton Morris
Yeah, it's. The ground is a little unstable. It's a little unsafe.
David
So we gotta deceives that land from you. Yeah, seems.
Clayton Morris
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All right, let's take some super chats here.
David
Let's see what we got.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
You know, one of the.
David
Go ahead.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
One of the, the things I'm interested in seeing with this whole like, like the, the current or the, the latest UFO disclosure is apparently there was described in there, but the video wasn't released of an actual like craft that flew up from the water up to a B52. And they have footage that you can clearly see the, the being flying the craft, the. The a non human intelligence flying the craft. But that video wasn't included.
Clayton Morris
So maybe that's what Tim Burchett is talking about. That they've got so much more.
David
This tranche of videos and things that we, you know, they barely released anything so far. So.
Clayton Morris
Yeah, why do they do that? Why do they just like, they have to drip feed this out? It's like they drip feed this out like when they're about to like go to war again. So they'll save the rest of these releases for when Trump launches this war against Iran again.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
I think, I think they're still under the. I think they're still running under the protocol of pre Internet that they don't understand the audience anymore. They're used to just like, well, we said it so that people will believe it and that's just not happening. And I don't think they understand that like the UFO community is not the people you're. You like try to gaslight. They freaking know everything.
David
Yeah.
Clayton Morris
Remnant. Remnant says you don't think Tim Burchett is fooled by CGI Hollywood special effects? I don't. I mean he's been in these private classified briefings. So that's what he's referring to. Like, I don't. It's not like he's just sitting there on the Internet on X, you know, scrolling through and he's like, look at that. I mean he's getting briefings, like classified briefings. So that's.
David
That's what he's talking about. Yeah.
Clayton Morris
Like the Antarctica base underwater snazzy kitty. Exactly.
David
I'd love to. I don't know. Humongous shift says they got Tim really high first. No. Maybe. We'll see.
Clayton Morris
Raf says the Area 51 incident happened
David
the year the CIA was created convenient.
Clayton Morris
It could. You're right about that, Ren. It could be disinformation. It could be right for sure. I mean look, there's a long. I've talked about this on the show before. There's a long history of disinformation.
David
Right?
Clayton Morris
I mean look at the Mirage Men.
David
If you watch.
Clayton Morris
Have you read the Mirage Men book? Have you watched the Mirage Men documentary? Like it was part of it, right? It was put out some credible info and then put out other fake info to. Then you color the whole thing so that no one believes anything anymore. So is Tim Burchett getting all fake info? I don't believe it. That's the thing. It's like maybe they're giving him.
David
They're feeding him stuff that's not true.
Clayton Morris
But he knows that certain things and he knows what's going to be released in these documents. And he said publicly I think last week that I know what's in there and we will demand that they release it because we've had briefings on those things. So the American people deserve to see those things.
David
See here. Holy smokes.
Clayton Morris
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David
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Clayton Morris
Thank you for supporting our show and gold prospector Milo. Thank you for your five dollar Super Chat or Canadian five dollars. Silver is up 8.8 and a.8 and 40.45%. Let's go look at VGYA. We'll be drilling my claim this year.
David
Currently restructuring.
Clayton Morris
All right.
David
Yeah.
Clayton Morris
Silver is.
David
Let me just check Silver prices right now. It's crazy. Let's see if I could get Safari open. Oh my gosh. Can't type. Let's see. Let's put this sneaky.
Clayton Morris
Fox says if California turns into a red state, we're going to see a lot more earthquakes and possibly this, possibly
David
the San Andreas fault.
Clayton Morris
California is not going to become a red state. The chances of that happening,
David
no way. They like their free stuff too much out there. There's no way. I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon. Gold price. Don't allow gold prices. 47. Wow. Gold is up 4, 700 today. And let's look at silver. Silver's up 7 and a quarter percent today. 7.35 today. Geez. It's up to $86 an ounce right now. And again people, bank of America was at $300 an ounce for silver. I love Silver. We have silver in our kids. Like iras, you know, on purpose to protect that
Clayton Morris
country boy. Crypto says Michael Jackson knew and was against the Epstein stuff.
David
That's why the all happened to him. He certainly was. I don't know if it was the exact reason why, but certainly was. He saw what was happening.
Clayton Morris
By the way, have you seen. Do you know the Sega Genesis game Moonwalker?
David
Do you guys know that?
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
Yes. Class arcade too.
Clayton Morris
Yeah.
David
Classic SEGA Genesis game Moonwalker.
Clayton Morris
So in the game, you know, it's.
David
What's crazy about that is
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
the whole
Clayton Morris
point of the game on the SEGA Genesis is that he's going in and attacking men with suits and try and rescuing the children from. From these men that have kidnapped these children. Isn't that crazy?
David
It's like.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
Yeah, I vaguely remember it, but it just like my memory of it is. The game was just a little bit unhinged. Yeah, I remember the arcade version of it. I don't remember. I never had a Sega
Anna Kasparian
here.
David
This was. Oh, sorry, sorry. Can you take that off? Disappeared on me. What the heck happened here? There it goes, there it goes. Sorry. Can you play it now? Sorry. Is it not connected or.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
No, it's connected but nothing is happening. I'm just seeing the same.
David
Oh, it's like a computer screen anyway. Maybe it's the other laptop or the other computer. No, I got. The mouse is right here. Yeah, maybe. Hold on a second. Make sure the mouse is here. Yeah, here we go. Can you see it now? Yeah, so. It goes after these people, guys in and. And like. And he's like rescue rescues the kids. Like. Yeah, so funny. Like how many and how many kids you could save like in on each of these levels.
Clayton Morris
53 vivo in. Our chat says I completed that game.
David
Yeah, it's crazy. I remember that game. I never owned it, but I. I definitely played it. Some of my friends had it. The music was cool on it.
Clayton Morris
Let's see. Rpjm, thank you for your super chat. Ten dollar super chat says Israel sees the young Americans are no fans.
David
They know this when America is no use to them.
Clayton Morris
Who is next?
David
Who will subsidize their insanity? I don't know.
Clayton Morris
Well, like the young generation right now. Yeah, I think. Who. Where are they going to get this new round of propaganda? Where's Israel going to get this newfound support? Here's an idea. Like how about this? You stop invading other countries. Stop killing people. Stop car committing a genocide. Get rid of these corrupt leaders, these
David
war criminals who run your country. Let's see here.
Clayton Morris
Israel has Been blackmailing and eliminating whoever is in their way.
David
Kennedy, Kirk, Hater and many more. $5 super chat. Yeah. Charlie Kirk. Exactly. Thank you so much. Hopping scene for your 67.
Clayton Morris
67.
David
Thank you for your super chat. Really appreciate that. Thank you so much.
Clayton Morris
I don't know. Like, it's like. It's a. I guess it's like, in YouTube, back end.
David
I don't know how that works. I know what that is.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
I've never heard of them.
David
Yeah.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
Yeah.
Benjamin Netanyahu
I don't know.
David
All right.
Clayton Morris
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David
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You know, it's like they did the same thing with Tucker. I don't know his newsletter too. Like, it's. They just move it over. Okay, thanks. Thanks for that. Really appreciate that. Eco the Dolphin. Oh, you know what?
Clayton Morris
Did you hear? They're bringing Eco the Dolphin back.
David
Let me put that up. Can you put that up on the screen? How come when I. When I click on these things, they sometimes go on the screen, sometimes they don't.
Clayton Morris
What are you trying to bring up a comment.
Anna Kasparian
Oh.
Unidentified Male Viewer/Commentator
Oh, because it went to B Roll. That's why it shut off for B Roll.
David
Sorry.
Clayton Morris
Eco that Rid rocks. Rid rock, kid. Sorry, Rid.
David
I can't even say it.
Clayton Morris
Eco the Dolphin was my favorite game
David
on Genesis as a child.
Clayton Morris
Do you know they're bringing it back?
David
They're doing a remaster of it. They've already announced that. So it's coming out, like, this year, I think. Actually,
Clayton Morris
Petty says, I have your newsletter. Marked as important. Thank you. Or petite.
David
Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Eco the Dolphin on Dreamcast was too hard. I never played it on Dreamcast.
Clayton Morris
It was a little weird.
David
It was a little wacky of a game. Right. It's like hard to figure out what your goal was.
Clayton Morris
Hell awaits.
David
Bibby. Yes.
Clayton Morris
Keep your eye on the Strait of Malacca. Yeah, we did a whole report on that about a week and a half ago.
David
The Strait of Malacca and why that's next.
Clayton Morris
And I still maintain that we are heading to war in the Arctic. There will be a war in the Arctic. It is foretold. By the way. Read the Billy Meyer materials. Go back, read it. Read his predictions about the coming war in the Arctic. And by the way, read the amount the voluminous information that he's published. Copyright material back in the day, decades
David
ago that has come to fruition and happened.
Clayton Morris
Specifics. With specificity, by the way. But I do believe, even regardless of the Billy Meier material, that a war is coming. Just look at how they're positioning themselves right now.
David
China, Russia and the United States with
Clayton Morris
Greenland and of course building up all these ice cutters now in order to catch up to Russia and what's happening with all of the precious minerals that are in that Arctic area right now. It's coming.
David
Arctic has two season. It. Thank you. I know I say that Arctic. Thank you,
Clayton Morris
man. Read Albert Pike.
David
Three world wars. I haven't read that. The straight of dire Straits. Right. If they killed Charlie Kirk, they can kill anybody. I think we're. We're going to be learning a lot more information about. About the men that killed Charlie Kirk soon. Have a hunch on that. And I guess that is about it. Right? All right.
Clayton Morris
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Clayton Morris
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David
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Clayton Morris
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David
Thank you for subscribing. And again, we'll see you back here tomorrow at 4pM Eastern Time.
Clayton Morris
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Date: May 12, 2026
Hosts: Clayton Morris, Natali Morris | Guest: Anna Kasparian (The Young Turks)
This episode of Redacted News dives into current geopolitical tensions, examining the unraveling Iran ceasefire, Israel’s push for expanded conflict and increased propaganda, shifting U.S. public opinion on Israel, the latest Michael Jackson allegations, and a major Area 51 land grab. The tone is pointedly critical of mainstream narratives, challenging U.S. and Israeli government positions, and skeptical of recent media campaigns against public figures. Interviews, news clips, and investigative commentary are interwoven to provide in-depth analysis.
(00:00–16:16, 19:12–28:15, 30:18–41:10)
Ceasefire on "Life Support":
Donald Trump is quoted describing Iran’s terms for peace as “garbage” and stating the ceasefire is on “life support,” signaling a likely return to conflict.
“It’s unbelievably weak...after reading that piece of garbage. I didn’t even finish reading it.” (Unidentified Male Commentator quoting Trump, 02:03)
Iran’s Demands & U.S. Response:
Host Clayton details Iran's non-negotiable demands: lifting U.S. sanctions, releasing frozen assets, free oil sales, and control over the Strait of Hormuz—all considered unacceptable by the U.S. (02:41)
Netanyahu’s 60 Minutes Push:
Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu appears on 60 Minutes advocating direct U.S. military involvement against Iran’s nuclear program, while “dodging” any specifics about force use.
“You go in and you take it out...I’m not going to talk about military means.” (Netanyahu, 03:34–03:55) Natalie and Clayton note the affront of Netanyahu dictating U.S. military policy, critiquing his expectation for American action.
“Propaganda War” and Social Media:
Netanyahu laments Israel’s loss of support in the U.S., blaming the “geometric rise of social media” and claiming foreign countries manipulate platforms to Israel’s detriment.
“We’ve not done well on the propaganda war..." (Netanyahu, 06:10) “We need more propaganda.” (Clayton, 06:10)
Civilian Impact & Accountability:
The hosts and Anna Kasparian (Young Turks) challenge Netanyahu’s framing of civilian deaths as “mistakes,” labeling many such acts as war crimes.
“When you intentionally target surgeons inside of hospitals...that’s just a mistake.” (Clayton, 06:21)
(06:47–16:39, 19:50–25:55)
Netanyahu’s Narrative Dismissed:
“If Benjamin Netanyahu’s mouth is moving, he’s lying...there’s no amount of manipulation on social media that could convince the American people...”
(Anna Kasparian, 07:28)
Israel-U.S. Power Dynamic:
Anna argues U.S. political support for Israel is out of step with a growing, critical American electorate, propelled by public witnessing of atrocities via independent media.
Regime Change & Goalpost Shifting:
The supposed threat of Iranian nukes is portrayed as pretext; the real aim is regional dominance and regime change, with the justification evolving as needed.
Growing Political Consequences:
Anna predicts mounting backlash for politicians over Israel policies, especially for Republicans after Trump’s war moves:
“Trump was the only president stupid enough to be manipulated by Mossad, by Netanyahu...” (Anna, 21:51)
(30:18–41:10)
Shift Among ‘War Architects’:
Citing content from The Atlantic and Prince Turki al-Faisal, the hosts report that influential neocons and Gulf leaders now say the U.S. has, in effect, lost to Iran.
“Iran won and we lost...because Iran did not collapse like Israel said it would.” (Clayton paraphrasing The Atlantic, 35:50)
Saudi Arabia’s Restraint:
Contrary to prior reports, Saudi Arabia avoided Israel’s bait for regional escalation (i.e., resisting reprisals after Iranian attacks on U.S. bases).
The End of American Dominance?:
Iran’s restraint, strategic gains, and ability to threaten U.S. assets are stressed as factors fundamentally limiting Washington’s options.
“Turns out...a 2000-year-old country with 91 million people is not going to simply turn tail and run away.” (Clayton, 36:07)
Concluding Call:
The hosts urge U.S. leaders to “take the L” and recognize the failed bid for regime change and regional dominance.
“Now the emperor has no clothes. Everyone can see that your whole think tank bullshit for decades was a lie.” (Clayton, 39:30)
(41:22–59:53)
Questioning New Accusers’ Credibility:
Natalie details a new round of media allegations against Jackson (from the Casio siblings) emerging amid a resurgence of his legacy and musical estate profits.
“They already got 16 million, reportedly. What will them getting more do for victims? I’m just curious.” (Natalie, 48:59)
Pattern of Financial Incentive:
All major accusers, including Wade Robson and James Safechuck, have histories of shifting positions, financial conflicts, or documented holes in their stories.
Mainstream Media Critique:
The hosts highlight how media omits context and counter-evidence, instead repeating unchallenged, salacious claims for ratings and profit.
Dangerous Narratives:
Natalie warns: recent accusers blurring “consent” claim children loved MJ risks enabling pro-pedophilia narratives or harming real victims.
"You don’t have to declare that Michael Jackson was an angel to recognize when media standards are collapsing.” (Natalie, 55:22)
(59:53–76:10)
Massive Land Seizure at Area 51:
Anders Ottison (Uncanny Expeditions) reports BLM (Bureau of Land Management) is closing 22,000+ acres, including Ticaboo Peak—a well-known vantage point for the base—under dubious “safety” claims.
“It’s very obviously a situation where the military went to the Bureau of Land Management...and they told them, ‘Hey, look, we need this area closed off. We don’t care how you do it.’” (Ottison, 64:35)
Suppression of Civilian Observation:
The seizure is viewed as an attempt to block public scrutiny amid recent UFO disclosure and probable capture of unexplained craft on video.
Surveillance Justification:
A supposed “weather research” tower is revealed to be a surveillance front monitoring visitors.
“This weather tower has been conclusively demonstrated to be a front for a surveillance camera...that watches the valley and Ticaboo Peak.” (Ottison, 69:35)
Earthquake Theories & S4 Connections:
Recent earthquakes may or may not be natural—speculation exists around underground testing; S4 (allegedly, Bob Lazar’s site of UFO reverse engineering) is referenced in current documentaries, influencing military clampdown.
Disclosure Skepticism:
The government’s “drip feed” of blurred, inconclusive UFO footage is critiqued as a stalling tactic, with promises of more transformative evidence yet unfulfilled.
(76:10–90:50)
With Timestamps and Speaker Attribution
On U.S.-Israel Policy:
“He [Netanyahu] did say we are winning on about seven different battlefields right now, but completely exposed on the eighth battlefield, which is social media. So losing the propaganda war. And he says we need to fix this.” (Clayton, 04:34)
On American Public Opinion:
“If Benjamin Netanyahu’s mouth is moving, he’s lying.” (Anna Kasparian, 07:28)
“This is not a social media issue, this is an Israel issue.” (Kasparian, 08:28)
On the Ceasefire and War:
“They thought Iran would crack. Iran did not crack. They thought the Gulf states would line up behind Israel. Saudi Arabia refused.” (Clayton, 39:35)
On Michael Jackson Allegations:
"They already got 16 million, reportedly. What will them getting more do for victims?" (Natalie, 48:59)
“You don’t have to declare that Michael Jackson was an angel to recognize when media standards are collapsing. Credibility matters, consistency matters, context matters.” (Natalie, 55:22)
On Area 51 Land Grab:
“The military that came in and just took it over without any kind of due process.” (Ottison, 65:07)
“If the military really has this program...they have possession of clear daytime, up-close footage, and yet all we’re getting are the blurry stuff.” (Ottison, 71:20)
On Propaganda and Media Control:
“Now the emperor has no clothes. Everyone can see that your whole think tank bullshit for decades was a lie.” (Clayton, 39:30)
The episode offers a comprehensive, contrarian analysis of breaking international news and cultural controversies. Its primary themes are skepticism toward official narratives, exposure of political and media manipulation, and advocacy for independent journalism. By juxtaposing U.S. and Israeli government statements with investigative critiques and audience engagement, Redacted News encourages critical questioning of mainstream coverage from war to celebrity scandals and “deep state” secrecy.