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High Alert! Us Seizes Russian Oil Tanker, Putin Furious & Dan Bongino Attacks America First Movement
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Redacted on this Wednesday. I'm Clayton Morris. So glad to have you here. Thank you for hanging out with us while we had some technical issues and some Internet outages or whoever the hell knows what the hell it is. That's independent media for you. Welcome in. So glad to have you here. We've had a very busy show for you, so I don't want to waste a lot of time. We want to get right to it. But we have the very latest, of course, out of Russia with the Russian tanker being seized by American special forces. Russia now responding, sending a large scale return.
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Return.
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I guess you could say this. I guess a return thank you note with massive amounts of submarines, nuclear submarines, and a comment from the Duma on the Russian side saying, hey, maybe we should attack American Coast Guard ships, attack those ships so that America will know what it's like to have a bloody nose. So they will stop this. Of course, all of this coming as we're watching what's about to unfold with Cuba, Colombia, Nicaragua. We're gonna speak with Colonel Dan Davis on that in a few moments. We're also gonna talk about Dan Bongino returning to the airwaves, going right after his. His main mission, he said, is basically going to be attacking independent media. Really the America first crowd, the people that want to put this country before other countries, people who are critical when people say they're going to do something and then they don't do it. So he's going after Matt Gaetz. We're going to speak with two FBI whistleblowers today on the show who have a thing or two to say about that. One of them is going to break some big news, actually, on that front. We're going to talk about that a little bit later in the show. So we've got a lot of moving pieces today to talk about. But first, I just want to say thanks to our friends over at Rumble. They just rolled out something new and incredible for our audience and our ability to basically tip creators. But they just rolled out something called Rumble Wallet and basically empowering voices, enabling transactions, all on the blockchain. So take a look at this. And you can see you can download it on your Android device, you can download it on your iPhone, and now it enables you to basically support your Rumble creators in a way that when a lot of conservative voices, you know, were debanked on platforms like PayPal and other places like that. 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Well, the US Military this morning carried out an operation landing US Special forces on board a Russian oil tanker that came out of the Caribbean. According to reports, it was a joint operation by Pam Bondi's DOJ and Kristi Noem's Department of Homeland Security, which raises all kinds of questions, of course. Why is the Department of Homeland Security seizing Russian vessels off the coast of Scotland? Okay, this is the vessel, by the way. Now, they seized the Russian flagged oil tanker after pursuing it all the way from the Caribbean Sea. And Pete Hegseth confirmed this vessel is connected to Venezuelan oil shipments. So this is going to continue. China also condemned this. What was the Russian response, though? Well, Russia sent nuclear submarines that surfaced right out of the water. Imagine sitting there, suddenly a massive nuclear Russian sub just pops up and says, what the f are you guys doing? And Alexei Jiralov, Russian nationalist, politician, member of the State Duma, has called for Russia to sink any US Ships with the US Coast Guard in response to today's attack. He says to attack with torpedoes. To sink a couple of American Coast Guard boats. Normally they guard their shore several thousand kilometers away. I think the United States, which is in a kind of euphoria of impunity after the special operation in Venezuela, can only be stopped now with such a click on the nose. So basically attacking American ships in response, and then in response, Russia launched the giant, one massive, massive submarine on its way to the region right now. So all of this to say, what the hell are we doing? Colonel Dan Davis, host of the Deep Dive with Dan Davis, is joining us now. He's been kind enough to hang out with us while we had some technical issues here. Colonel, great to see you. I just wanted to get you on to get your analysis on all of this. Great to see you and happy New Year.
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Thanks. Same to you. Always a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me back. Yeah. You know, this situation here, interestingly enough, you put that comment there from the member of the Duma. The government at the federal level or at the national level in Moscow is a lot more strained from this. And so far from some of the telegram channels that I'm following from some pretty high ranking folks anyway, publicly is that they want to downplay this and they don't want anything to, to cause any kind of an actual break or a rupture, especially between Putin and Trump. I think that they're not happy with a lot of things that are going on. But what they see the Europeans doing, I think they're saying, hey, let's just kind of try to keep this thing in tow so that we can at least keep good relations with the United States. I really think that they're, one of the reasons they're downplaying is because they want create more of a rift between the United States and Europe, which is already pretty big with this whole Greenland deal. And what we're doing in the Venezuela, we're doing a good job on our own of help keeping that separated. But I think Putin's going to like say if your enemy's doing something bad, don't stop him. We'll see how it plays out. But hopefully this one won't get any worse.
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It seems like it's going to get worse though, from the oil perspective because now China is also sending ships for protection against these oil tankers coming out of Venezuela. United States announcing that we're going to now basically take, I think 30% of Venezuelan oil is now going to be shipped right to the United States. I think we also took one of the oil tankers that was designated for China. Are they just going to, I mean, I know Colonel McGregor said, you know, there's not going to be a war. There's not going to be. It's not going to be a kinetic war. We're not going to see shots fired. He said that over the weekend, that Russia and China are not stupid. They're not going to do this in the Western Hemisphere. But there's an economic war unfolding here. And what do you think the response will be from their side? They're just going to allow us to take their oil?
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Yeah. You know, I think that there's not going to be any kind of a conflict now. But the problem is these things are all building up, and I'm concerned about where this may be headed because we're going in ways that are alienating literally everyone. And when we set this mentality up that we can do anything that we want in nobody, and I mean nobody, not China, not Russia, not our allies in Europe, nobody can do anything to stop us. Not our Constitution, not our laws. That is a really dangerous place because I fear that that's gonna embolden people to continue. And by people, I mean Trump and those who surrounded him, like Stephen Miller, who is the biggest advocate of this, along with Secretary of War Hegseth and Marco Rubio, seem to all be cheerleading along. The more actions you take and the more norms you shatter and the more brigandish kind of actions you take, you get hungry for more. And the minute that you start thinking, nobody can put restraints on me, I will literally do anything I want, there will come a day it's inevitable that you will finally overstretch. And whether it's this member of the Duma or somebody else may say, you know, what a bloody nose is what the US Needs. And that's where you have the risk of miscalculation, of error, of misjudgment or something like that, that something like Colonel McGregor said, this should not lead to any kind of a conflict. But if you go too far and you make too big of a mistake, things could take on a life of their own. And the actions we're taking right now are really, really d. Dangerous for our own national security.
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Well, Senator Rick Scott today on Fox Business came out to talk about the next moves. Cuba, Nicaragua and Colombia and says that we're going to bring democracy back to the Western hemisphere. Watch this.
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So proud of what the president did.
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And Marco Rubio and Pete Hadseth and.
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Everybody, our military, Maria Corinne Machado and.
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What they did in Venezuela is going.
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To change Latin America.
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This is the start of changing Venezuela.
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Then we're going to fix Cuba.
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Nicaragua will get Fixed.
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Next year we'll get a new president in Colombia.
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We're going to start. The democracy is coming back to this hemisphere.
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So the president, so democracy is coming back to this hemisphere. Colonel, you know that whenever the CIA gets involved in any regime change operations, it's been fantastic for America, it's been fantastic for the world. I think, you know, if they were an NFL team, they'd be like 0 for 16, right? I mean, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Cuba before, like we haven't learned our lesson in Cuba before. I mean, the laundry list is long for our, the CIA's success in regime change operations. But Senator Scott, who by the way also receives upwards of about $400,000 from APEC, says this is great.
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And what a mockery of democracy. And honestly, how dare he use that word for what he's talking about? Because what he's talking about is nothing remotely close to democracy, which is self determination and nations working together in peace, respecting the rule of law. That's the very heart of democracy. And what he is describing is more like piracy or autocracy where I'm going to tell you what you're going to do. If I say I'm gonna take your oil, I'm gonna take your oil and you'll shut up and sit down or I'll kill you. If you wanna move something in the I don't like, I will blow the boat up, I will seize it. That is not democracy. And listen, it's time for us to wake up people who love America, who love our country, who know that the rule of law is the only way that we can have peace and stability and security for our country inside and international. When you shred the rule of law so that it doesn't exist. And you do what? I'm still shocked at what Stephen Miller said on CNN a couple of nights ago. He openly and flat out declared, we're not following the rule of law, we're following the rule of power. I had to watch it two or three times to make sure I didn't mishear him. He said we're following the rule of power. And obviously he's got that right ear of the president. So if he's saying it, no one stopped him. That must be what the federal plan is, that must be what President Trump is doing. And based on the actions, who could argue with that? And I'm just telling you, you're succeeding now. You're getting some stuff and you're making people following behind you and that all feels good right now, but you are burying seeds and Planting them and watering them, that could come up with some very bitter fruit later on at a time and a place when we don't want it to. I just want to reiterate. You get rid of the rule of law to where it's the rule of the jungle. And one of these days, there will be somebody bigger on the other side, and we won't like how it plays out.
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Colonel, if you were, you know, if you were right now in the administration and the commander in chief said, we're going to. We want it. We want an order. We want an action to go into Cuba. I want something on my desk tomorrow. What do you think that that would even look like an invasion of Cuba, and then we could touch Colombia and Nicaragua. I mean, how are we going to pull this off?
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Well, you know, so what I've seen so far is in Rubio, I think, reinforced this. The Lindsey Graham, who's the biggest cheerleader for all of this, he loves to go on the military operations and kill people everywhere. He wants to lead. Actually, he doesn't just want to lead with military. He wants to exclusively use military and reject any kind of diplomacy because that means give and take, and he only wants to take. But even he has said we will probably use economic coercion to take care of Cuba. And look, why in the world are we so obsessed with little tiny Cuba? I've been there. I went on a Christian operation or not Operation mission with some people from a local church that were helping some other local churches inside Cuba in 2015 or 16, I think it was. And I'm telling you, they are so poor, Almost as poor as what I saw in Afghanistan when I was there. I mean, they can barely put food on the table. They can barely keep the lights on. They are a threat to no one. And we had Victoria Coates on recently saying that, yes, you know, they're a threat to America and we have to take care of it. No, they're a threat to no one. This is just some people's obsession, probably led with Marco Rubio, who just want to destroy Cuba because it's there. They don't like the government there. Oh, it's a communist government, right. Well, spoiler alert, here we do business with another communist country. You might have heard of them. China. We have no problem doing business with China. Communist China, who has, you know, billions of dollars of trade that we do all the time. They have nuclear weapons. We have no problem with that. But somehow, tiny little island here, we just want to destroy them. I'm just telling you, it makes us look like a thug, a bully, that we're going after somebody that's really weak and we're using the power of the United States just to crush them for no gain other than somebody's lust for destruction. There's no gain to our country. Just be clear on that. We won't. We won't be safer, we won't be more economically prosperous. It may help some individual rich people who may want to go and exploit Cuba on the aftermath if they succeed and completely wipe out the government or it collapses inside. But there's no gain to our country and there's no need for this action. But this is part of what the rest of the world is seeing and saying. Who is this country that's masquerading as the United States, that used to be a democracy, that used to be a shining light in a city on a hill and used to be the standard that people look to when they said, what do we want to be like when we grow up? No more.
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Well, and not even just China. I mean, Vietnam, I mean, we do $153 billion of trade with Vietnam. It accounts for like 30% of their GDP. Our relationship with Vietnam, a country that, you know, for people that remember, you know, we did go to war with them at one point. So it's insane to lay now we're going after Cuba, Colombia on top of that. I just don't understand militarily the idea where we think we can go in, depose one of their leaders and then we're going to set up shop in there. Is Marco Rubio going to be in charge of all of these countries? Like he'll be the president of four different countries. Yeah.
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And let me just point out that we're also still in the wait and see issue with Venezuela itself. Forget about Colombia for a minute because their president, Pedro sounds like he's not going to roll over for anything. And he, even if he knows that he can't match the power of the U.S. i think he would probably fight. But we still don't know if it's going to work out with, with Venezuela. Because let me clarify something for people, for all this chest beating and patting each other, ourselves on the back about how great this military operation was in Venezuela. It was at the heart of it a two hour snatch and grab operation done at the national level. We went in, we got the target, we left and that's it. Now what Trump is saying is that if they don't do what they're told, then we'll go Back in there. But let me tell you, that card has been played. If you want to go back in there, you're probably not going to get all of the air defense system silent and not doing anything. I mean, these helicopters alone, all these helicopters you saw in those videos, if they had been firing even Stinger missiles, most or all of those would have been shot down. I mean, they're subject to even ground fire. But. So there wasn't much of even of that. But if they said, you know what, we're not going to just roll over and literally let you take over our country at no cost and no return. If they decide that they're going to call our bluff and say, okay, you know what, do it, come back in if you want to, then we have a big problem. Clayton, I'm telling you, 18,000 people that are in there, you can launch a bunch of missiles, you can fire missiles from those ships and those planes can blow up a bunch of stuff. But unless you send somebody on the ground to go in there and take control, if it's contested and we don't have the troops for that, then you're not going to control anything. And if we start having casualties, if they start firing some missiles at some of our ships, if even one of them gets through, all of a sudden we're going to be in a world of hurt and we're going to be put into the position. Do we now send, you know, thousands of troops in there to actually have an engagement or do we back down? Because I'm telling you that 15,000 people is not enough to take care of a country. The only way that works is if they self, self lay down and say, well, I'm not going to, I don't want to take the missile. So we're going to do nothing. But if our bluff gets called, we're going to be in trouble. And forget about Colombia. We don't have enough troops for it to even think about militarily taking that over. Right now they're counting on the threat and to keep everybody in line. But if anybody starts challenging us, it could get ugly.
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Well, and we also heard that no one was hurt, everything was fine, no Americans died, everything was good. Now we're learning that that's not the case at all, that American special forces were in fact injured, some of them gravely. Apparently we're getting more details about that. So this is wasn't just like a little fun, like, you know, recess with four year olds hanging out on the merry go round. A lot of people died and a lot of people died on the Venezuelan side, actually. So that sort of Mockingbird media, initial reports about everything was fine. It was all hunky dory and they just swooped in and Maduro was happy to get on a ship. Is not. Is not the case at all. Yeah, I just, I don't understand militarily how we think we're going to be able to pull this off and what the end game is. That's the thing. Just like I want to start at the end. Like, we've had so many failures with Iraq and Afghanistan because we never knew what the end game was.
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Like.
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What is the end game here? The CIA is going to install some sort of government, and the Colombian people are just going to go along with it. They're going to go along with it. In Venezuela, you're seeing the protests already that the Mockingbird media won't show you of the people in Venezuela, they're like, actually, we don't like when the CIA comes in and bombs our country and tells us what to do and is going to install, like a CIA puppet government. It's not going to end well.
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And, you know, and there's one other thing about this that puzzles me on top of everything you just mentioned there, and that is, and I'm even, even from recent months, you had President Trump, you know, talking about how we're out of the regime change business. You had Tulsi Gabbard and I think it was October, saying, we're out of the regime change business. You know, we're not doing that. People voted for Trump. All this and all of that is. And now we are absolutely in the regime change business. Now we are absolutely in the. We're going to use armed force to compel compliance with everything we want. We will take your natural resources and you will shut up and give it to us or we will shoot you. I mean, this boggles the mind that the president that we voted for that said, I'm tired of all these operations and forever wars. And we're going to get out of the wars that we were involved in. We're not going to start any new ones. And now here we are, literally, we've gone into Iran, we've gone into and fired stuff into the Yemen, the Red Sea, Nigeria and now Venezuela, and we're threatening all these others and maybe even just throw in Greenland. Why not just maybe put that one in there, too? And we might go back into Iran. Why is there not, you know, some upheaval of all the people that voted for the opposite when Trump is Going like no president in my memory in my lifetime has never done what we're doing here in just one year. I don't understand that, Clayton. It really puzzles me.
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Well, at least we got the Epstein files, right?
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I'm sure there's no relation to any of that. I mean, how could there be, right?
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Right.
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At least we got what we asked for, right? Colonel, great to see you. Thank you so much for your analysis on this. Again, this is like changing by the minute. Remember that Trump likes to launch these invasions usually on a weekend when the markets are closed. So again, keep your eye on Iran, keep your eye on Cuba, keep your eye on Colombia, Mexico. I mean, the list is getting pretty long at this point. Colonel, thanks for being here. We really appreciate it, as always.
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Always my pleasure, Clayton. Thanks for having me.
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You bet. Thanks, Colonel. All right, Coming up, Dan Bongino makes his way back to The Airways after 10 months at the FBI. He was deputy director there, was going to go in and of course, remember beforehand, before he went into the FBI, he was basically asking for it to be torn down because it was so wildly corrupt. So what happened? What happened? And now what is his main mission now that he's back on the airwaves? It's to go after and attack the America first independ independent media. His first target was Congressman Matt Gaetz. He's also going after Alex Jones. I mean, the list I guess is pretty endless. Who knows? But I guess he probably won't go after all of those like CIA cozy mockingbird media types who were got Epstein binders at the White House. Be interesting to see if those people get put in the crosshairs. We'll talk about that with two FBI whistleblowers when we come back. But first, if you've been seriously injured, your case could be worth millions. And you should know exactly what your rights are. That's why I want to tell you about Morgan and Morgan. They're America's largest injury law firm with over a thousand attorneys working in all 50 states. And unlike a lot of firms that settle quickly, Morgan and Morgan doesn't take low ball offers from insurance companies. Just in the past few months, they won $12 million in Florida when the insurance company offered only $350,000. And in New York, they secured 6.8 million on a case where the offer was just $275,000. And the best part, it's absolutely free. Unless you win, insurance companies try to pay out as little as possible. Morgan to Morgan fights to get you more if you become their client. It only takes a few minutes to see if you have a case. And you can do it right from your phone. It's that easy. You can Visit for the people.com redacted or you can click the link in the description to get started. And are you worried about those upcoming credit card bills after the holidays? If you're a homeowner, there's no better time now than to call American Financing, wipe out all of that debt, eliminate the stress, set yourself up for a strong 20, 26. You know, I mean, intelligent people know that there are different financial products out there, right? I mean, I one of the first things, when I bought an investment property years ago, I used a home equity line of credit. I borrowed also from my 401k. Right? There are all sorts of different vehicles. Good debt versus bad debt and how to and how to leverage those things. I've been doing it for years. And American Financing can actually help you access the equity in your home. And an interest rate in the low fives. You heard that, right? In the low fives. And again, the first investment that I ever bought, use the equity in my own home because as I always say, you can't eat equity. So if you leverage that equity, you could actually make smart moves. That's much lower rate than the average 20% or more credit card rate. American Financing is saving customers an average of 800 bucks a month. It's like a $10,000 raised to start the new year. And there's no upfront fees, no obligation. So just give them a call right now, just talk to them, just have a conversation with them. There's no obligations at all. Just walk you through the whole process and see how they can help you. Call them today at 866-890-8434. Today 866-890-8433 or American Financing.netacted and the disclaimer number, the NMLS number is 182334. You can check it out at nmlsconsumeraccess.org and those APR rates that are in the 5 start at 6.196% for well qualified borrowers. Call them again, 866-890-8430 for details about their costs and terms. It's all right there and available for you to do your own research. Well, Dan Bongino is back to his day job hosting a podcast after spending 10 months as deputy director of the FBI. You know, the President calls upon you. You're making millions of dollars doing your show and you set that aside. You're gonna go to Washington. I think probably most of us would probably do that if the President of the United States called upon us to carry out the mission of making. Making America great again. America first. Getting rid of the corruption inside of the FBI, which is deep, Very, very deep. The rot is perhaps impossible to clean up at this point. Maybe needs to be completely burned down. He was deputy director under Cash Patel, remember? Dan told all of this, though, to move on from this watch.
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He killed himself again.
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You want me to.
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I've.
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I've seen the whole file. He killed himself. Seen the whole file. He killed himself. So his first order of business back now in the podcast circuit, according to him, now that he's back, is going after the independent media black pillars, as he calls them, grifters, and he's attacking them, not telling us the truth about the Epstein files or what it was like behind the scenes going after the January 6th pipe bomber, Brian Cole, any of that stuff. Right, but whatever. So whatever do those terms even mean? What does, like, black pill even mean? What does grifter even mean at this point? But here was his tweet about it. I'll put this up. It's pretty long. I'll just kind of paraphrase what he had to say here. He said 3 million views on this post. He said the support for the Trump administration, the working world is strong. The people are tired of the endless bullshit from the black pillar. Chicken little Grifters watch their tactics. First, they overload you with information, but they underwhelm you with evidence. Second, black pillars will rarely take on the President directly. They know they'll get destroyed by the boss and wind up in the political graveyard of egomaniacs who thought they could take on the President with bullshit. Third, black pillars are infamous for telling you an administration policy or action is going to lead to the end of the world before the policy has even given time to demonstrate results. For instance, Venezuela, as he said it, Black pillars and grifters asked for this fight, not us. But I'm absolutely down to fight it. Absolutely down. That's his mission. When he came back, Shipwreck, one of my favorite people to follow on X posted this. She said no. You declared the war, then blocked everyone who brought it to your doorstep. The audacity of calling people who believed in you and trusted you grifters and losers simply because they don't agree with everything happening is enraging. These are the people who supported you. You let them down and instead of addressing it, recognize it, you just blast them with Some MAGA slop. Talking points. I hope you get Ben Shapiro'd and no one takes you seriously ever again. Eat an entire bag of dicks. Shipwreck doesn't mince words. His first order of business was going after Matt Gaetz. Today, Congressman Matt Gaetz attacking him. Alex Jones went nuclear on Bongino, and he may have uncovered the playbook. Watch.
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Dan Bongino called up, yelling at me and saying, I'm stabbing him in the back. And you know you don't know and you know you're gonna get exposed. And then the last month or so, even before he left the FBI, we're able to predict he was down to the day, because I had dozens of people I know say that Bongino called up and said, listen, when I start my podcast back again, I'm gonna expose you and everybody. You better watch out. As if people are scared of you. But then I began to realize it's a marketing tactic. He knows he screwed himself with the public. He knows that that tour Patel did, going on Rogan and stuff, pitching the same stuff. Trust me, bro, I'm a good guy. I've been briefed by the same FBI that's been caught lying about everything that you told us not to believe previously that that your way to rehabilitate is to come out as if you're the policeman of maga and that you will tell us who can be trusted and who can. And then, sure enough, here's the headline. Dan Bongino declares war on black pillars and grifters trying to hijack maga.
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Kyle Seraphin, Steve Friend, both FBI whistleblowers, they've been incredibly critical of the FBI. Of course, they blew the whistle on that corrupt organization, Kyle even arguing, I think, for it to be torn down because it's so corrupt. And by the way, Dan Bongino was really calling for that before he got in there, suddenly changed his tune. But Kyle and Steve, welcome to the show. Steve, I know. I think you're going to break some news here on the show, something you haven't shared anywhere else specifically about Dan Bongino. I just want to kind of maybe start with you and kind of give you the floor on all of this because you were supposed to go back to the FBI and help root out this corruption.
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G
I was, multiple times, actually. It seems that Dan Bongino was really interested and they really. When he first became nominated or appointed the deputy director of the FBI, he called me. He was in very earnest about the entire situation. He said to me, look, I know I'm going into the lion's den. I'm going to be surrounded by a bunch of vipers there. I know one thing about you, and that is that you will tell the truth. And I'm sorry. He apologized, actually for his falling out that he had with my good buddy Kyle Serafin about what happened about a year prior to that. And he asked me to be a member of his staff. I accepted that. And that was in March, just before he became the deputy director of the FBI. And he acknowledged and then lost my phone number or something to that effect. In fact, I, I think he turned 180 degrees Bizarro World version of that because according to my sources, he went into meetings with Senator Chuck Grassley and was saying that I could not be brought back to the FBI because I have character issues. So a little bit of a contradiction there from him. And then, you know, as things bored themselves out over the summer, the FBI director, Patel announcing that 10 FBI whistleblowers are going to be reinstated like jello. Put your finger in it, pull it back out, nothing's changed. You're back to your job, you get your bennies, got your back pay, and none of that happened. And then me personally, they brought me back as a humiliation ritual a couple weeks ago. Kept me in the office for three days just so cash Patel could issue me his autographed copy of a letter firing me.
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B
So just to bring you back in a humiliation ritual, Basically.
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G
Oh, without question. Kyle and I had bandied on his podcast about the idea of Brian Cole being no way, shape or form. The individual who's responsible for the January 6th pipe bombs on December 5th said that he doesn't even meet the physical attributes of the individual in the video. And we're led to believe that $11 billion agency was unable to find somebody who used their own car and credit card and cell phone. And he purchased bomb making components three years in advance because he was really uber upset with the election that was happening three years later. For some reason, he's apparently clairvoyant. And the FBI had basically jammed up in autistic My Little Pony fan. And then within a few hours, my attorneys had communicated with the FBI and they decided to not represent me anymore. The FBI then contacted me on a Sunday night, told me I had to come to work even though I didn't have a reinstated security clearance. They brought me back with no job, no responsibilities, no gun, had to be escorted around the facility at all times. And they gave me a vehicle and said I had to drive 180 miles round trip so that they could fuel it up if I needed gasoline. And then by the end of the week, they leaked to the New York Post that they were intending to fire me. Unfortunately for them, they didn't fire me in time before the journalist reached out. So there could be some. Some privacy acts and employment law violations on their behalf, but nonetheless, very much in. In lockstep with what Dan Bongin doing. When they did eventually fire me, the MAGA, Inc. Social media influencer crowd jumped to attention to besmirch my reputation and say that I issued some sort of veiled threat to the Director of the FBI because I said, if you jammed up an innocent autistic man so that you could get the President's approval because you're so damn thirsty for his approval, then you probably deserve to be in a prison cell for the rest of your life.
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B
It's that same crowd, Kyle, that was out there holding, like, Epstein Binders. It's like. It's that same group of people who suddenly came after, you know, Steve, who are now when. When. When Dan Bongino says, I'm back and I'm gonna go after independent media, you know, you're seeing them. They're like the pro Zionist crowd. They're the. They're the Epstein Binder crowd. They're the people that now have, like, Pentagon access crowd, like the access journalist crowd. Those are the people that, like, came after Steve, and they're like in. In the Twitter feed to Dan saying, I can't wait, Dan, bring it. We want to see it.
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C
Yeah.
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F
They're also getting ratioed every single time they do that over on X, because that turns out to be not a particularly popular opinion. I think there were people in America that thought when they heard the term America first, that it didn't mean, like, America first trademark and our brand means whatever it is that Donald Trump says equals, you know, my opinion. I don't think there's a lot of people that really wanted that. There are obviously some. And then there's another group of people that apparently wake up every morning and wonder what cause is dear to my heart. Oh, yes, the defense of Israel is a big one. And, like, I'm not a big guy that thinks Israel runs the world. I just don't. It's just. It's not obvious to me that that would be the case. And having worked in federal law enforcement and on the intelligence side, like, I don't live that reality, but I do see a lot of really pro Zionist accounts, as you said, saying it, including People that are suing me for $5 million, which feels great to know that they 100% backed Dan Bongino, who was in a position to do the thing that he claimed he was going to do for years. I was actually struck. There was the little moment about him kind of. Kind of destroying credibility about Epstein killed himself. And he played that clip a little bit ago. There's a more telling clip for me. And he did it at about the same time. I think that one was in April. I want to say that was in April or May of. Of last year. And he. He went on Fox and Friends. It was just after the Maria Bartiromo thing. He did the solo sit down with Lawrence and whoever the other people are on the couch, and he goes, when we got to the Hoover Building, you know, some people came up and they took us by the arm and they said, you know, essentially, thank God you're here. There's all this corruption, and we want to help you. And they showed us the secret room where the burn bags were, and they showed us the files. And I went, what kind of dummy are you? Like, you don't know how source handling would work. Like, they, they played you. They came up and they sent somebody who said, you're the guy for the moment. We want to help you out, and now we're going to handle you. And it sounds like he just willingly got handled. And all of that is to go to a previous point that you made, which I'm going to disagree with. If the President of the United States calls you up and asks you to do a job that you're not capable of doing, if you don't have the qualifications, the backgr, the requisite experience, the institutional knowledge to be successful in that job, I think you have a responsibility to say, thanks so much for the opportunity. I'm very flattered. I'm not the guy. I'd love to help you find the guy. And that's what Dan Bongino should have done from the beginning. I wouldn't want to be the Deputy Director of the FBI one. It sounds like an awful job having, you know, seen FBI headquarters. But more importantly, I didn't have the requisite experience at six years in. You need 15 or 20 years of time in that institution to really be successful. So we recommended someone to Cash Patel. That would have been a great option. There were other great options that were out there if he had sought them out. And instead they picked a guy that had never been in that building before and didn't know the institutional culture and didn't know the lies and the deceit and, and who owed who what favors and so on. And I think I've shared it with your audience before, but Clayton, there's a system called the rabbi system at the FBI where it's the person that you basically grab onto the tail of and you follow that manager up the chain. And so they're kind of like your sponsor or your patron within the bureau. And you need to know who is, who's rabbi and who, you know, who follows, who's the acolyte of who. Because most of the people that they ended up promoting over the last couple years, whatever it is, year and a half now coming up, or I guess we're just at a year. It's not even Jesus feels longer. In the last year, the people they reported, all those people were hired under probably Mueller and some of them under Comey, and then they were all boosted into management either under Comey or Ray. So that's, that's who's there. That's who's running the FBI. It's the same people that were always there. You can't do reform with the same people.
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B
And Steve, that was the argument, right? We heard from Cash Patel that we're going to shut it all down. We got to shut it all down. And there's so much rot, there's so much corruption, something you would have gone in there and helped root out. And has any of that happened?
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G
No, no, it hasn't happened at all. I mean, I think any of the, the firings that they've touted have been for things that were well beyond any sort of statute of limitations. I mean, they were hurting their shoulders, patting themselves on the back because they wound up, up terminating the individuals who took a knee for blm. I don't think that they had a place in a conservative doj, a conservative FBI, allegedly. But at the same time, it had been five years, and now you're going to face a lawsuit. And similarly, they wind up doing the same thing to guys like a Steven Jensen, Stephen Jensen, who they first promoted. Steven Jensen, who was the architect of the January Six response that the FBI had in 2021, was out there saying, we're going to get grandmas who walked through the people's house because they touched a red velvet rope for reasons one way or another. Well, he was laundered by the FBI under Christopher Wray, and he was pushed out to the training unit and then the Columbia field office, and then was billed as the right guy for them to put in charge of the Washington field office as the assistant director in charge. And Cash Patel and Dan Bongino sat down with Maria Bartiromo, and I believe Cash Patel, something, said something to the effect of, that man did what he was told. He was a good German, so we had to promote him. And he got so much heat that he didn't remove him. But at that point, now you have got to own it. And so the firings that we've seen have been too little, too late. When they had an opportunity, which was the smart play, which was what we actually advised Cash Patel to do was put them in charge of a broom closet in Guam or Anchorage, Alaska, and then make the room for the real people you have. You need to have total personnel warfare. You need to lean on competent people who have been in the field and actually know how to bring forward an effective investigation and know where the pitfalls are. People who are hesitant to go into leader, people who are going to be servant leaders and say, hey, look, I don't want to do it, but I'll view it as a tour of service. I'll go to Washington, D.C. correct the problem, and we're going to be lean and mean, fix the policy, fix the administrative hurdles, and make this actually an objective force for good and make it an institution that is actually able to serve the American people, actually serve local law enforcement. That was what the prime directive of the FBI is supposed to be. But unfortunately, they increased the bloat, and they're now bragging about how they've enhanced its capabilities. They've made it even more devoted to intelligence collection, which is one of the scariest things that the American people should be aware of, because that's the cheka, that's the kgb. That's intelligence collection with guns.
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B
And I just don't believe in coincidences. I'm sorry, I just. I don't. And I don't think you guys do either. But I don't want to put words in your mouth, but when Matt Gaetz is really the only guy who gets pushed out is not taking money from apec, he's critical of a whole host of things. He gets pushed out, he doesn't become Attorney General of the United States. And the first line of attack from Dan Bongino on his day back is to go after Matt Gaetz, a guy who's been.
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F
How about what he went about? He went about it by talking about underage girls and things that were allegations that were very salacious. And of course, they were sort of the. The root, sort of cause of what Everybody thought was going on with Epstein isn't that interesting?
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B
Right?
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F
Wasn't Dan Bongino in a position to have investigated those things about 12 minutes ago? And couldn't he have theoretically, actually ascertained the truth? If the FBI deputy director had a walking belief that Matt Gaetz was involved in paying for sex with underage girls, shouldn't that have been something they looked into before the statute of limitations ran out? Like, I. I'm just saying you can tell a tree by its fruits. You can look at it. There's a biblical principle on this one. It's not real hard. Just look at what people bear for fruit after they talk. The talk is what the, you know, maybe the leaves look like. It's maybe the name of the tree. But an apple truth, that's not, you know, an apple tree that's not producing apples is a real problem. So I would suggest this, what they're calling black pillars, or what Dan Bongino is calling black pillars. And maybe he's got a problem with people who have black T shirts that are not like this one. I think this is like a bamboo mix. So it's. It doesn't pill. But maybe he's talking about cotton T shirt wearers, which maybe you guys are in trouble because of your shirt pilling up. The issue that I see is that Bongino is calling out people who are not saying, we want less of the Trump agenda and we want less of what they claimed they were going to do when they went to the FBI. Bongino is mad at the people that said, we wanted you to do what you said and more. And we don't think that you fulfilled the mission.
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C
Right?
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F
And that's really interesting to me.
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B
Right? Isn't that the point, Steve? I mean, that's the heart of this, which is we were excited for you to get in there. Right? Everything you were saying on your podcast is what we wanted you to do when you got in there. But now you're too stupid to understand the institution of it all. And trust me, bro, it's all unfolding. It's all happening right now. It's all unfolding, and you're too stupid. You are a grifter. You're a black pillar. You won't go up against Trump the boss. That's what we wanted. We wanted all of these things to happen. Right, Steve?
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G
We wanted him to follow through with what the promises were, even the promises that he made early on as a deputy director. Look, he promised things that were not attainable. He promised to give Us the. The Dobbs leaker, which isn't a federal crime, but he promised it. Did he deliver? No. He promised to give us the White House cocaine, which apparently was investigated by his old stomping grounds at the Secret Service, and there was no delivery on that. And then we got the crowning achievement. He promised to give us the January 6th 6th Pipe Bomber. And can't help but notice when he's touting all his. His achievements. He effectively stopped all crime in America, according to Dan Bongino and Cash Patel. Even though those statistics are completely manipulated. All the record number of arrests are them just taking credit for ICE deportations, that they happen to have an FBI agent on the task force, or somewhat in the vicinity or local crime that they're taking credit for. He didn't tout the January 6th pipe bomb arrest, which is what they had to have a celebratory press conference about on his birthday because he's pretty comfortable that they got the right guy. Meanwhile, we know what happened. We had intrepid reporting going on over at the Blaze. Joe Hanneman, Steve Baker broke a story identifying a U.S. capitol Police officer as the likely individual who was dropping those pipe bombs. And the FBI had to snap to and prove that. No. No, it wasn't. And I believe that Cash Patel and Dan Bonjito went out there because they wanted the President's approval. They wanted the accolades on social media to be able to say the. The mission accomplished. And yet on its way out the door, wait six to eight months, bro, to see what I bring you. And effectively all that was was wait six to eight months to criticize and so I can leave this disaster area.
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B
Kyle, is. Is Alex Jones correct in his assessment? And I hadn't thought of it this way, but it makes a whole lot of sense, right? If you're coming out and your reputation is incredibly tarnished. We get Epstein files. January, six issues. I mean, you're telling us Epstein killed himself? Okay, right, sure. No one believes that. I've seen the file. Trust me, bro. So your reputation is incredibly tarnished. You haven't cleane. You haven't rooted out the corruption that you said you were going to. So the way that you come back to your podcast is you say you're going to go after the same people that all these like, pro Zionist accounts, all of these Epstein Binder people attack on a regular basis. The Tucker Carlson's, the Alex Joneses, the Candace Owens, the Matt Gaetz's of the world. And you go after those people. Is Alex Jones right? That's the way to rehabilitate your image.
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F
It's certainly an appeal to authority, which is that, you know, I know certain things. I've been behind the curtain. So now I'm gonna come out here and speak authoritatively about who's good and who's. By the way, Trump picked me and I got asked personally to go be in this administration. So I'm going to come out and assert that. I mean, I also know that he was behind the scenes threatening journalists, calling media organizations up, and trying to get rid of certain journalists who were pushing out messaging that was, let's say, disadvantageous to the messaging the FBI was trying to push. We also saw them move forward with the, as Steve pointed out that pipe bomb case and everybody's kind of worried about where to go there. But I've got mainstream outlets, like the three letter outlets that you're familiar with on, on, on all the legacy media kind of asking me like, hey, I saw that guy walk into court that they arrested and he doesn't seem to walk the same way and what do we think's going on here? And I said, well, I think that it was exactly what Dan Bongino used to say. Podcast Dan said one thing and now you got FBI Dan saying the other thing. What we've recognized is that people who come out of the bureau, they kind of go one of two ways. And I think Steve Friend would back me up on this statement. Some people look at that falling in line with the FBI is their responsibility because they think their credibility is now inextricably tied to that agency. And so you get that a lot from the, from the retired agents or what I like to call the former agents group. You guys can do the acronym yourself.
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B
Have you ever felt that? Have you ever felt that tendency? I mean, you guys are former FBI. Have you ever felt like, hey, I'm gonna go on my show and I, you know, have you ever felt that pull?
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F
No, I never felt that. I never felt that from day one. I went to the FBI and I was disappointed the first minute I got there, there and I thought, well, maybe it'll get better. But the first minute I got there, there was like an overweight middle aged black woman handing me a, a folder and saying, just hang tight and then we'll get with you later. And I thought I was going to get smoked. I thought I was going to be like the way I'd gone to new units in the military where they're going to put me on my face, my blues and I was going to Destroy my suit. And, you know, it was going to be like an aggressive training exercise and physical fitness, and they were going to test me. From minute one, I thought I was going to get punched in the face by ninjas hiding behind me. And that never happened. It was just. It was always gentle, it was always collegiate. And even in the first week, they're out there teaching you things about how Federal Service works, and here's where your benefits are, and we're going to slowly get to the real training thing. And the training was all kind of mediocre. The firearms training was really, really good. I thought the tactics was kind of light. If you didn't know what you're doing before you got there. The con law was okay. I thought they did okay with job. But then I got out to the field and it was like, is this an elite unit of people? Because that's kind of what it's billed as. And if you've never been in the FBI and you think that it is, I'll just dissuade you. It's like 75th percentile and up. It's. It's above average intelligence, people. Steve Friend is like a top quarter of a percent of the FBI when it comes to intellectuality and his ability to string words together. It's not common to run into a Steve Friend. So it's not surprising to me that Steve is a whistleblower. And the other guys that I met were. Because we weren't like the other people around us necessarily. Like, I never needed the FBI for credibility. It was just a job that I started when I was 35 years old. And I think the reason that they. They all get sucked into it is because a lot of people come in at that 25 or 26 or 28, and it is their identity. And when they lose the badge, they've got nothing else. Dan should have been better than that. I mean, what's the point of having FU money if you don't know when to say fu?
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B
Steve, what do you think? Can I chime in on something? Can I chime in on something real quick? Just on this, on the Dan Bondino thing of what you're talking about. The, The. The credibility of authority in. That kind of falls flat really fast when you think about the fact that, like, if he had gone through the entire four years of the Trump administration, at the, at the end of it, then he went and did this. Well, then he's like, yeah, I weathered that storm. He bailed after a year.
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F
That credibility is in the military. Most people in the military have deployed longer than Dan Bongino served in Washington D.C. just a few hours away from his wife by private jet. So there's that.
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B
Steve, what do you make of that? Do you think Alice Jones is correct that that's the strategy here? Like we're going to go attack the independent media, that's America first or whatever, holding this administration to account for the things that they promised us. That's the way that he can rebuild his audience.
- [50:46]
G
I think that that has a lot of holds a lot of water. Look, I have accrued more vacation time and sick time that the FBI failed to pay me out for than Dan Bongino actually spent at the FBI. He had a cup of coffee there at the most and he entered that, I think with the perspective that he was going to be the vice director of the bureau, which is the director of the FBI is pretty easy job. It's largely ceremonial. You testify a few times a year and then if you want to do media, you do. Otherwise you're just kind of hobnobbing around, rubbing elbows with flying that fancy jet to your girlfriend's singing events, whatever. But the job of the deputy director is very hard, very difficult. It's 14, 16 hour days and he wasn't enjoying that. Now he's got a rehab because he hasn't the do matters, according to podcast Dan. And he hasn't delivered on anything. So what's he going to do? What sort of audience is he going to go back to? And he was petrified about that audience when he had to go do that hostage video and say, I've seen the file, he killed himself. And he knew that he lost a lot of credibility when that leak went out to Axios about there being no Epstein list. So that's what's he going to do? Well, he's timed it now so we're coming into 2026. He's going to say, look, I solved crime and really I can't talk about it. I've got an NDA. So other than my vote, my victories which are artificial, we really need to focus in on the midterms, which is one of his online posts. And everything that he's. He sort of hedged it on is I want, I'm going to fight invisible enemies. I'm going to punch against the air on video if I need to and say that I love this fight against something and some gnosticism that he's claiming to have. And we really need to win in 2026 because Lindsey Graham and Mike Johnson are our Path to victory.
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B
You are too smart for the FBI. Kyle is right about that. Just laughing about the punching of the air video is one of the great videos, you know. Look, and you're right. I mean, if the President called me and say, hey, would you like to be Deputy Director of the FBI? No frickin way. I don't have the experience. And you're walking into an absolute nightmare of a mess. You're not going to have probably the support. You're not going to even know how the institution operates. How the hell are you going to clean house in this operation? So Dan was weighing over his head from the beginning, right, Kyle?
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F
100%. Yeah. I mean, look, institutional knowledge is critical to that job. That's what the deputy does. I mean, the Deputy Director is the Chief Operating Officer of the FBI, so it's not the Vice director, as Steve just said, which is a great way of thinking about it. You're not the Vice President of the FBI. No. You're the guy that has to do the nuts and bolts. You need to know what every violation does. You need to know people that are coming up the chain and who the good managers are. By the way, I don't like just saying, like, here's the problem. Can I tell you what the solution was? Because it actually isn't all that hard. And, and it would have been really, really clear to people. The simple solution to what needed to be done at the FBI was something that we wrote and we put it in writing for Cash Patel to walk in there, but he needed to send out a query to every special agent in charge of the 55 different field offices in the Bureau. That was, you know, he could have done that basically at the beginning of March of 2025. And say this. I want your top three agents by statistical accomplishments in the criminal investigative realm and then in the two different factions of national security. So that's going to be your, your counterterrorism and counterintelligence. So give me your top three in there. Out of the 55 field offices, you're going to get nine candidates from all those. I'd also like your top, let's call it four or five supervisors at the GS14 level, the people that actually run the squads that are doing these investigations. And give me your top, longest serving, highest rated because we do what's called a climate survey in the Bureau where we decide whether or not you're a good manager and your own employees get to rate you about how good a boss you are. So are they doing the job as required by management and are they doing the job as required by the people who work for them. And then you'd have your best supervisors and your best actual case agents. And that would be enough for you to repopulate the entirety of all the headquarters jobs. The next thing we said you should do is stop requiring people to come to the J. Edgar Hoover building, but let them do program management for specific types of crime and violation relations from the field. Rather than uproot families, you'd allow, you know, men who don't want to take their kids out of school and women that are working in there that have a spouse with another job and so on and so forth, let them stay where they are and do the job remotely because it's already remote management. It's just management from Washington D.C. and we learned we could do a lot of that during COVID So what you would do is change the bureau culture with those three little apparatus. You basically take the hourglass of power and turn it on its head and let the people who know the most about the actual work the FBI does go to the place where the management actually makes the, you know, the rubber meet the ground. That's what should have happened. And then everybody that sucks, which is basically everybody that was a GS15 or higher, send them all to Guam, send them all to an to a resident agency in the middle of Puerto Rico, get them off the continental United States where they can no longer cause political problems and bring their followers along that sort of believe what they're about. And then the last thing was the thing that Cash Patel said anyway, which is that you should outsource all the intel mission back to odni. Now, what we know actually happened was, is within about a month of the the assassination of Charlie Kirk, we had CAC Patel, Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent in a turf war that was being mediated by J.D. vance about whether or not they even had the authority to look in any sort of foreign nexus and the intelligence capabilities that the U.S. government has, because Patel said this was all the FBI's business. And so they were fighting over the intel component as recently as September, October of last year. And so they did exactly the opposite of what Patel claimed he would do. Again, I didn't want less of what Donald Trump said. I wanted more what he said in spirit and less of what it actually came out to in practicality. And the way to actually do it. It really wasn't that hard. You just had to look at the business like a hostile takeover where you come in and find your most capable employees in any given branch or any given division or any given, you know, specific subset of your. Of your organization and put them in charge and get rid of the people that are the rot that are actually running it right now. And this is actually not that hard. This is not a hard thing to do. There are people who do turnarounds for a living. And this is what you would do.
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B
Yeah, I mean, we just saw Elon Musk do that at X when he came into Twitter. Took out the kitchen set.
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G
Yeah, they could have.
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H
They could have got Gordon Ramsay, Right?
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F
Yeah, just done it. Yeah, just done the. What is it called?
- [56:49]
C
The.
- [56:50]
F
The nightmare kitchen situation. What do they call that?
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B
Kitchen Nightmare or whatever. Steve, Final, final thoughts for you. I know we kept you guys a long time here, and I really appreciate that. Has. Has Dan Bongino, after he asked you to come and join him, has he ever talked to you again after he asked you to come and join and put up the big fight?
- [57:09]
G
No. No, he didn't. You know, he acknowledged receipt of my. My text accepting that offer. At another point, I sent him a text warning him and cautioning him that his planned trip out to Phoenix, the people there were being pulled off of ICE operations in order to meet him in the office. And I thought that he should know that because I thought, at least at the time, that he'd be more interested in the mission than having a captive audience. But he. He accepted that and apparently went out to Phoenix and talked to them about the entire office, all suited up about how much he could bench press. So I guess it was given away pretty early. I did respect his request to keep that job offer private, but now that he's no longer in that position, I don't hold back at all on this.
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B
Well, thank you for sharing that with us today, Steve. Friend, Kyle Serafin, FBI whistleblowers trying to actually fix the Bureau or burn it down and build something better for the United States of America. Thank you for joining us today. I love this discussion. Really appreciate it, both of you. Thank you so much.
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F
Much. Thanks, Clayton.
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G
Thanks, Clayton.
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B
Thanks, guys.
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C
Wow.
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B
It's going to be interesting to watch, like, the ratio, too. I mean, it's going to be, you know, you get a lot of bots and all these other things and. But it's going to really be interesting because now, you know, he's going to have the money and support behind him. The same sort of mockingbird press trying to discredit and go after independent media. So it's going to be interesting to see what kind of ratio? Because we see it on Twitter. Absolutely. As Kyle pointed out, the ratio or if you respond, you get blocked. Right. So all the blocking and the ratio, I wonder how that'll play out, like on Rumble and these other platforms where his show will air. And I'll be interesting to watch. Let me know in the comments what you feel about that. All right, coming up, we're going to talk about Canada because that censorship bill, censorship bills continue to move forward and all eyes have been on Canada sending billions to Ukraine. But this is barreling down the, the removal of any kind of free speech in Canada is coming fast and loose in that country. And you know, it's kind of amazing when you see we're kind of reminded of the freedoms that the country can stand by with the freedom convoy throwing their support right behind right now, what's happening in Paris and all of the farmers who are standing up. And you have so many Canadians saying, we stand with you. You know, we stand with you pushing for freedoms there. A lot of the trucker convoy people taking to that. But this might be a dying thing, especially on social media in Canada. So we're going to talk about that in a second. But first, ladies and gentlemen, our world is being poisoned. Every day we're exposed to more chemicals sprayed into our skies, leaching into our food, polluting our air and water. From pesticides, heavy metals to hormone disruptors, synthetic additives, these toxins are bombarding our bodies, silently destroying our health. But there is something you can go and do and it starts in your gut. If you saw, I don't know if you guys just saw the new study about gut, I mean, talking about how incredible the gut gut biome is to warding off all sorts of mental incapacities or dementia and Alzheimer's and everything. We're getting more and more studies. There was a big study that just came out earlier this week and our friends at Kimchi won from Bright Core Nutrition. Theirs contains over 900 strains of beneficial probiotics. I take it every day. I take two capsules every day with my supplement stack to help restore gut balance, support your immune system. When your gut is strong, your body can resist. You'll feel the difference. Better digestion, more energy, clearer thinking, stronger immunity and even improvements in your skin, hair and metabolism. This isn't just hype. Studies show that fermented foods like kimchi can reduce the risk of obesity, improve your blood sugar, support whole body wellness. So today you can get 25% off your order if you use the code redacted if you go to mybrightcore.com redacted or the best deal yet is if you get on the phone and call them, that 800 number that's on your screen right there, they'll give you 50% off and free shipping and a free bottle of vitamin D3 with your order just for calling them because they like to develop a relationship like we used to do back in the day on the phone with businesses in America. That number is 888-404-6312. Detox your body, rebuild your gut, take your health into your own hands. Starting today. Kim Chi Won from Bright Core Nutrition. So our thanks to them for supporting the show. Well, censorship is barreling ahead in Canada, once a place of free speech, place where you could share your thoughts online, a place where you could hold court and have great discussions about the future of. Seems like that's disappearing quickly under the Carney government. David Crayton writes at the Post Millennial. He also hosts the great show Creighton's right. He keeps them honest up there in Canada. He's joining us from Ottawa, Canada, to talk about that and so much more. David, happy New Year to you. Great to see you.
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Happy New Year to you as well. And so nice to be back.
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B
Great to have you here, David. So where do things stand with these censorship pieces of legislation right now in Canada? How dire is it it and are we still sort of in that holiday fog where maybe people are forgetting, like how close this is actually to reality?
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Well, Clayton, Canada is in a perpetual ideological fog. And this is why I've been saying all week to people, stop focusing on foreign wars in Venezuela and remember that there's a war on free speech going on in Canada. Let's put Canada first. And we've got so many censorship laws. I had to put out this sticker outlining them all. And you know, I've been making this available to, to my subscribers, to supporters, because this started under Justin Trudeau when he was prime minister. He passed legislation to restrict free speech on the Internet to force people to carry Canadian only content. The list went on. It got worse under Prime Minister Mark Kearney because first of all, we had Bill C2, which is a surveillance bill, which entitles the post office and the RCMP to open up mail if they suspect there's money laundering operations going on. Can't have that, of course. And that who decides whether somebody should be suspected of money laundering. But it gets worse than that. Bill C8 is before Parliament along with Bill C9. And these really don't mean much. But Bill C8 is controlling the Internet and telecommunications and it will give the government the right to suspend a station on the Internet such as mine, any other broadcaster, if we somehow run afoul of the government. And the definition of what exactly that means and how we transgress that line is extremely vague. But that's the way the government wants it. The real kicker Here is Bill C9 which is not only going to bolster already existing laws against so called hate speech, but it's going to criminalize so called hate symbols. And this is extremely frightening because it could mean the cross could be seen as a hate symbol by some people. The Star of David could be seen as a hate symbol by some people. The crescent moon that represents Muslims could be seen as a hate symbol.
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Meanwhile, meanwhile Justin Trudeau and your parliament welcomes Nazis in and gives them a standing ovation. So I love the hypocrisy. It's pretty great.
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Oh this, this whole network of laws is hypocrisy. And there's something in Bill C9 that the liberals even want to get rid of. It's a religious exemption clause. And that essentially allows people to read the Bible or the Talmud or the Quran without, without fearing that they're going to be branded as a bearer of hate speech, without fearing that what they've said could be interpreted as hate speech. There are passage in the, in the Old and New Testament that are not favorable towards homosexuality. The same with the Koran. But the government now wants to even eliminate that clause. So we could be throwing pastors in jail for reading from New Testament texts. But what is even more frightening about this is that who, this who decides what a hate symbol really is. And that of course will be up to the government and up to judges. I'm worried that any, all of my history books which contain pictures of swastikas could be stripped from my shelves because I'm harboring hate symbols in my library. This is how ridiculous this could potentially get. But it's layer upon layer in Canada of redundant laws. We already have outlawed hate speech. We criminalized hate speech many years ago. We want to take it further so that virtually anything thing can be interpreted as hate speech. And what's coming next? I haven't mentioned this one. Of course we talked about this when Justin Trudeau was still Prime Minister. That was called Bill 6C63, the Online Harms act, which I predict will be resurrected in the, in the last week of January when the House of Commons returns from their Christmas break on January 26, it will be called the Online Safety act because hey, nothing wrong with safety. We just want to make your life safer. And this is all about protecting women and children from abuse and revenge porn. Nothing to do with what the 90% of the bill is actually about, which is once again making it so onerous to say something that could be interpreted as offensive. You could get, get life in prison, hundred thousand dollar fine for violating this law. And here's what's even worse, and we've talked about this before because this bill died, but the Carney government's bringing it back. It has a hate crimes or. Sorry, it has a thought crimes component so that if somebody suspects that I'm harboring nasty thoughts about somebody and I just might come out out and talk about them on my Internet station, on YouTube or rumble or X or any place else on the Internet, the police could come to my door and put me under house arrest on the advice of a judge.
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Really.
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I spoke with my good friend Neil Oliver this morning and he was on my show for an hour. We talked about this and he said, you know, what's happening in Canada is exactly what we've gone through in the uk. And of course course nobody knows is better than people like Neil Oliver who have been there to watch these so called keyboard warriors that the government is literally arresting and throwing into prison for longer terms than rapists or murderers are getting.
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Over 20,000 of them have now been arrested in the UK for these precisely these social media thought crimes.
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And I don't know if you heard recently about this incredible incident in the UK where a woman, woman was literally charged, arrested and accosted by 11 police officers in her home because of something she said. It was an offensive. Tucker Carlson talked about this quite extensively with Piers Morgan about four, three or four weeks ago and she was literally sitting in her bathtub nude. Ten male officers entered her bathroom without her even inviting them in the front door and then proceeded to charge her for using an offensive word not on the Internet in a public declaration, but in a private text message. So in other words, they're reading her private text messages. I've seen this already in Canada. The provincial police in the RCMP are literally reading the, our emails, our private text messages and they're looking to see who is going to be first in line when this law passes because they're chomping at the bit to be like in the UK where they can come to your door at 2 o' clock in the morning. And they do this all the time now in Great Britain. And say, hey, we didn't like what you posted earlier on X or on substack or on anything that's Internet that you better take that down or else we're going to come back and arrest you. Cops love it this way because it's a hell of a lot easier to terrorize people in their bedrooms and living rooms than it is to go after real criminals. So they love it. And we've had enough of this in Canada. Clayton, I tell you, we are fighting back. I don't know if we're going to be successful because the Carney government is inching closer and closer to a majority of party. They've got the support of the separatist block Quebecois on these bills. They've got the support of the socialist New Democratic Party. That leaves basically the Conservative Party official opposition opposing it. Will they have enough. Is there enough pushback against Liberal MPs to stop this? I don't know. We're watching and waiting. A lot of people are telling me it almost has to get worse before it gets better in Canada because there's just too many people who are sitting there thinking this really isn't that much of a threat. But it is. You lose your freedom of speech, you lose everything in your country. You lose all democratic values, you lose all freedoms. Because freedom of speech is the foundation of every other freedom. The First Amendment in the United States States is the foundational freedom that allows all other amendments to follow. Without freedom of speech, a country cannot be deemed or determined as democratic. And we are literally on the verge of losing that in this country. I cannot overemphasize how important this is, how much of a crisis this is, because unfortunately, too many people just are saying, saying it's going to be business as usual. Trust the government.
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B
I think you're right. I mean, I think people are being too passive. And then what's going to happen is these things will become law and then they'll get angry about it. And you're already seeing the fruits of that in the uk, as you pointed out, tens of thousands of arrests. You're seeing it across Europe, frankly. There's a big push for it in the United States to roll back the First Amendment in the United States of America. So the biggest threat to all power structures when you don't have money or anything else is the First Amendment, is your freedom of speech. And I think you're right, it's being eroded in Canada. I mean, you mentioned the support. I was gonna ask you about the support. You answered that for me, which is great. What is the timetable for this? Like, how close are we to seeing this voted on in Parliament in terms.
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Of Bill C9, which is a lesser evil than the Online Harms act or whatever they choose to call it, that literally is going to be up for a third reading vote in January, potentially at the end of January. If that vote passes, it will go to the Senate, which the Liberals control, and then will go to the Governor General for royal assent. That could happen within a couple of weeks. It's literally possible to lose our freedom of speech in a couple of weeks. And after that, of course, first comes the Online Harm Safety act, whatever they're going to call it. And that's when we come. You know, I'm wearing my George Orwell T shirt here, which George Orwell was right. Canada is becoming like 1984 where we are. And the thing is, you used to hear about, in the Soviet Union, the darkest days of the Soviet Union, people used to say the only time you felt safe from the NKVD Stalin secret police was at midnight, one o' clock in the morning when you were lying in bed, because the police weren't watching you. Well, guess what? They're watching us around the clock now. And it's frightening how the surveillance state is working together with the censorship state.
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Oh, yeah, and the online.
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Trudeau better be careful what he's texting Katy Perry.
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Well, I wanted to.
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Go ahead, Glenn. No, I was going to say. And the Palantir piece of this and the digital ID piece of this, and all of it together, because now with 6G wireless technology coming out, as Trump pointed out, they're going to be able to notice, watch everything that you're doing in your house. So all of your movements, your physical movements will be also monitored. They can already do a lot of that with WI fi, of course, but now it's going to be amplified. And so that's what's coming in addition to just the speech component of this. Because the ultimate weapon for any of these intelligence agencies is thought to know what you're thinking. That's the ultimate goal. As CIA whistleblower Kevin Shipp wrote so famously in his book, if they can figure that out, they unlock everything. But, David, before I let you go, I want to get an update, because before the holidays, of course, we had the awful story of the ostrich farm and Katie Pasitney and her whole family dealing with the slaughter of the ostriches up there, which was just, just horrible to watch and unfold. Where do things stand now with that? A few Months removed from it.
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Well, it's literally, it was November 6th or 7th when the massacre occurred. And the. The so called cleanup operation was a complete gong show. It was a complete disaster because they didn't clean anything up. And what they did was essentially break every environmental law, regulation and guideline that ex in Canada. They took the ostriches and they lifted them into these bins, they put them in trucks that were overladen. They used a contractor that didn't even have the authority to remove this kind of waste, which of course, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency still maintained was toxic because these birds supposedly had avian influenza, even though they had been healthy for almost a whole year. Sure, but everything went wrong in that. But here's, here's what is really disgusting about this, Clayton, is that the cfia, which you know is. Is a criminally insane organization that's got away with literal murder here. They got away with animal cruelty. They got away with destroying this family's farm, their livelihood, and potentially their lives. But they failed there because. Because these are tough people who fight back. But what happened here is they left the farm in a quarantine scenario, a quarantine situation. So Katie and her mom can't literally cannot touch anything on the property where the ostriches were. They cannot clean up the farm. They cannot move anything. They've got hay bales scattered all over the place. What do they do with these hay bills? Because once again, the guy government has deemed them to be toxic waste. How do they get rid of these hay bills? How do they clean up the thousand rounds of spent ammunition that are scattered all over the property? There is still blood and debris from the ostriches all over the place. They have tried to punish this family beyond any, any reasonable extent of the law, but I tell you, Katie is fighting back. I am directly doing anything I can to help this family, these farmers out right now, including finding ways to lift this quarantine, because there are potential mechanisms to do that. But this is a family that's fighting back. And Katie is founding a federation for farmers that is going to fight back against the Canadian Food Inspection Agency. It's attracting a lot of high, high profile and high level people who are veterinarians, who are scientists, who were disgusted with the way the Canadian government overreached any authority they should have had, the way the Canadian government punished this family, the way the Canadian government behaved like mobsters, like they were criminals. And Katie and her mom Karen are fighting back with this federation and they're fighting back. And I've Been doing everything possible to continue to ensure the Canadians know what their government did to this family, how they're continuing to continue to punish them. And they don't want this family even to make a living because they've essentially stopped them from doing anything on their property. We're trying to get that overruled overturned. But this I have nothing but admiration for Katie and her mom, Karen. They have taken the worst that the Kearney government or any Canadian government could possibly have meted out in its war on agriculture. They have stayed tall, they've stayed firm, they fought back, and they have been completely decent in the process. And Canadians are increasingly rallying behind Katie and her mom because they recognize courage, they recognize an adherence to liberty, a devotion to freedom and a desire for change in reform. The word Katie uses every day now when I talk to her and I talk to Katie every day, do whatever I can to support what she's doing is accountability. Get this government to be accountable for the actions it committed, for the crimes it committed. Don't run away way, don't stop protesting. Resolve to resist. Keep going because the government wants you to give up. Just like they do on freedom of speech. They want the, the people to roll over in this country and declare that they are powerless. We are not powerless. Canada has a great tradition and heritage of freedom and we are going to rise up again and reclaim that heritage and reclaim our rights, our democratic rights as Canadians, despite the tyranny that now exists in Ottawa and that will continue and that persists in coming down against people who just want to stay free.
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B
7 ranked speech in our chat says thank you, David, for doing awesome work and yeah, I again, our heart aches for these farmers in Canada. Absolutely. And what they're seeing, of course, now unfolding across in Paris. And you have this solidarity from the Canadian farmers who are throwing their support behind all of these farmers who are driving their tractors right into the heart of Paris and shutting everything down, saying enough is enough. So it all started in Canada. Let's not forget. David, great to see you, my friend. Happy New Year to you. Thank you for the work that you're doing. Give our love to Katie as well. And if there's anything you'll appreciate, course that we can do here at Redacted. We're always happy to help and do whatever we can.
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E
So Katie was so, so thankful for the work you did while this crisis was ongoing. And I'll pass that on, Clayton, and thank you. It's so nice to be back and we've and happy New Year to you and Natalie. We love you here in Canada. I think you know that.
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Well, thank you so much, David. We love you here in America. Thank you. Thank you for the work you're doing keeping them honest up there in Canada to the best of your ability. Great to see you. Happy New Year, David.
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Bye for now.
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Yeah. Because then you won't post anything stupid. You know, that's the other thing. Like we've all done that over the years where we had.
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Am I going to respond to Laura Loomer?
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Nah.
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Yeah.
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H
Well, I get sick of people like on X, I see a lot of people that are just continually trying to justify their support for this administration saying this wasn't a war. We went in, we did what we did, and we got right out. But the thing is, we went in, we bombed military targets, and we kidnapped a president. If that's not an act of war, I don't know what is.
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B
Right. No, it wasn't war. We killed like dozens of your people, bombed multiple military installations. By the way, just ask yourself, as Americans, if tomorrow morning you wake up and you find out that Japan had bombed a harbor called Pearl and killed 2,000 of our servicemen and women, blew up a whole bunch of ships, would you rally around to go to war? Probably. You probably would. Same thing if China, if you woke up tomorrow and you found out that China had bombed an international airport in like, Chicago or something like that, killed thousands of people, bombed military installations, and then China, by the way, also stole our president, came in and snatched our president in the middle of the night. And now he's, well, think about it. Now he's in Beijing in handcuffs wearing a tracksuit, like, well, think about it. Because his social media, like, say, like his social credit credit score got too low in China, so they decided to come over and, you know, like, that's basically like holding, holding another country to your country's laws. It don't work that way.
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H
Well, and I wonder, like, all the people that, like, you know, believe that the 2020 election was, was not legit if even Republicans would tolerate another country saying, yeah, you know what, he's not a duly elected president, so we're going to come in and kidnap him and we'll put in somebody as an interim until we get it figured out. Like, even Republicans, like, nobody would stand for that.
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B
No, no. I mean, you're going to snatch. It wouldn't matter if it was Biden. I mean, even Republicans would say we wouldn't stand for that.
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Yeah.
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B
Because by the way, then we get Kamala Harris. But yeah, yeah, maybe Pearl harbor wasn't a good example because of course we knew that was coming and FDR knew that was coming ahead of time. So maybe that wasn't, that was more of a false flag example. But I guess I should say, like, if, like if China just came in tomorrow and did that or. But then most people in our chat are pretty astute. They're like, you know what? But then I would question who knew it was coming. It's like October 7, like when Netanyahu and the, you know, Israeli government knew it was coming and allowed it to happen so they could go to war and carry out a genocide. So it's hard.
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H
Maybe we could use a legitimate example. Like nine. Well, no, not, I guess not Oklahoma.
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And I don't know, Gulf of Tonkin. N. Let's see. It's making me question, I mean, the Bay of Pigs. Yeah, this, this past hundred years has really started making me question a lot of things. I mean I'm diving deep right now into John Wil's booth and doing just a ton of research around that. And you know, it's, it's really making me question like the, a lot of the stuff that we've been spoon fed from a couple hundred years ago, not just like the stuff that we know has been lies, like the Gulf of Tonkin, remember the main. But going back even like 200 years and just kind of revisiting some of these stories and thinking more critically about them has been an exercise. It's been a really interesting exercise looking at it through this sort of like modern lens, you know.
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H
Yeah. And there's, and there's a pattern that if you recognize it and put it against all these things, it's like you tend, you start to realize that really nothing is legitimate of what we've been told throughout history. I mean if like even like I remember as a kid being taught that Indians were savages and all this other stuff and, and then you find out like it was a completely different story. Like our. From, from the point that we hit school until we hit college, we're lied to, everything's whitewashed.
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B
And yeah, someone in the Chat says, Cappy McCappy says, hey, did you know this the tanker that was seized was empty. Did you all notice it sitting high? No, but that's very astute of you. I didn't and I don't know that we have confirmation of that yet. But you know, you're probably right about that. I don't know. We'll find out more about that. It's interesting that one was being watched for a while. It had attempted to head towards Venezuela like last year or like 12 months ago or something like that, when it was flagged and stopped before.
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So.
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Gallery says, Clayton, when do we get Nick Fuentes on the show? Anytime. I would love to do a deep dive with him. I don't want to do it like remotely though. I'd like to do like a sit down eventually. But, like, I don't want to retread the same stuff, you know, that's the thing I don't like. Did you watch Piers Morgan? Did you hear? You know, I. I don't want to retread things, so. But I would love to talk with him. I thought everyone knew the tanker was empty. Yeah, I don't know how empty or how much it was filled with or if it had already been offloaded or why it. So I don't exactly know. My eyes are a little bending back here. David prays with the Zionist rabbi. Talmud, maybe?
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H
Who, me or Creighton?
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I don't know, David, not you. I know you don't. And I'm sure, certainly David Crayton does not either. But I doubt, doubt very highly of that. Scuba D says, hey, wrap this up. I need to go get some Thai food. That's a good idea. I will wrap this up. Hey, I'm gay.
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H
I'm your huckleberry.
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