Investigating Ukraine's Secret Biolabs, Fauci's CIA connection, UK's Digital ID | Redacted News Live

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Redacted News Podcast Summary

Episode: Investigating Ukraine's Secret Biolabs, Fauci's CIA Connection, UK’s Digital ID | Redacted News Live

Date: May 13, 2026
Hosts: Clayton and Natali Morris
Guests: Dr. Meryl Nass, Michael Caine, Jim Ferguson

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Overview

In this explosive and wide-ranging episode, hosts Clayton and Natali Morris delve into three major topics often dismissed as conspiracies but now making headlines:

1. The U.S. government’s investigation into secret biolabs in Ukraine and abroad
2. New revelations connecting Dr. Anthony Fauci to the CIA's COVID origins narrative
3. The UK's accelerated rollout of digital IDs and its implications for freedom and privacy

The hosts and their guests challenge mainstream narratives, present emerging evidence, and tackle government accountability, surveillance, and the ongoing culture war over science and personal liberty. The episode is marked by skepticism, directness, and a mission to expose what they see as “information warfare and propaganda.”

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Ukraine’s Secret Biolabs Investigation (05:03 – 23:47)

<ins>Background and Government Acknowledgement</ins> (05:03 – 08:12)

• Host Discussion:
  • The U.S. intelligence community, under Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, has opened an official investigation into over 120 U.S.-funded biological research labs worldwide, including 40 in Ukraine.
  • Historical context: U.S. claims of only "defensive research" have come under scrutiny after admissions by officials like Victoria Nuland.
  • [06:13] Notable Moment: Clayton plays old Senate testimony raising questions about lab activities in Ukraine.

“These bio labs in Ukraine that were once conspiracy territory—how do you feel watching the government acknowledge that they exist?” — Natali Morris (08:12)

<ins>Dr. Meryl Nass’s Expert Analysis</ins> (08:10 – 23:47)

• International Labs and Oversight:
  • U.S. labs abroad may evade Congressional/Freedom of Information access, making oversight difficult (08:23).
  • Potential for both defensive and offensive research outside public scrutiny (10:58).
  • Possibility of private labs in the U.S. operating with minimal regulation.

“If the United States, for example, did it in another country, though, that lab information could never be FOIAed…we’re hoping Tulsi Gabbard is able to find out what’s going on, but...she is running into roadblocks.” — Dr. Meryl Nass (09:35)

• Bioweapons History and Enforcement Loopholes:

  • Biological Weapons Convention (1972) bars such research, but offers no enforcement mechanism (12:02).
  • Examples of historical bioweapons, such as anthrax, and covert operations.
  • Cautions against both state and private actor malfeasance.

• Why No Real Consequences (Yet):

  • Actual use of advanced bioweapons is rare due to risk of exposure and severe consequences for perpetrators.
  • Advances in genetic sequencing now allow easier tracing of engineered pathogens (21:33).

“There aren’t very many good tactical ways to use them…If you are found to have created a biological weapon, your reputation is gone, your livelihood is gone.” — Dr. Meryl Nass (19:09)

<ins>Memorable Quotes & Timestamps</ins>

• “It’s 1984 level, you know, doublespeak.” — Natalie (07:20)
• “A government lab, but you can also have a private lab…there is no law prohibiting you from doing that… Just imagine what you can do in the rest of the world.” — Dr. Nass (17:18)

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2. Fauci’s CIA Connection and the COVID Lab Leak Narrative (24:06 – 41:34)

<ins>Congressional Hearings: CIA Whistleblower Testimony</ins> (24:06 – 32:59)

• New Whistleblower Claims:
  • Recent congressional testimony from CIA analyst Jim Erdman alleges Dr. Anthony Fauci influenced CIA conclusions about the COVID lab leak theory.
  • Fauci allegedly pointed to friendly academic papers (proximal origins study) to steer the agency away from a lab origin conclusion.
  • Internal emails and documents suggest the narrative pivoted suddenly from "lab leak" to "neutral/zoonotic" under Fauci's influence.

“Fauci didn’t do it; he just pointed to what he felt the outcome needed to be to kill and end the lab leak theory.” — Michael Caine (30:35)

• Democrat Absence in Oversight:
  • Notably, no Democrat senators attended the hearing, which guests interpret as political avoidance rather than defense of "the science." (35:40)

<ins>Manipulation of Definitions and Accountability</ins>

• Gain-of-Function:

  • Ongoing concerns that Fauci and the NIH manipulated definitions of gain-of-function research to avoid culpability and legal consequences. (33:22)
  • DOJ potentially still considering conspiracy charges against Fauci for Congressional testimony.

• Calls for Justice:

  • Michael Caine urges listeners to support the "COVID justice resolution" at covidjustice.org to reject future government overreach, shutdowns, and forced vaccination.

<ins>Memorable Quotes & Timestamps</ins>

• [29:06] "The best analysis here shows this was a lab leak...then in the middle of the night, management changed that...to neutral." — Michael Caine
• [36:35] "I think the Democrats love authoritarian control over the population. ... There were real lies ... that an emergency-use authorized vaccine was forced on the population." — Michael Caine
• [41:34] "There are people who want COVID gone...but thanks to people like Senator Ron Johnson and Senator Rand Paul, they're not letting that happen." — Michael Caine

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3. UK’s Digital ID Rollout and Surveillance State Concerns (42:01 – 56:55)

<ins>King’s Speech & Digital ID Announcement</ins> (44:36 – 46:10)

• King Charles announced plans to "modernize" access to public services through a digital ID in the government’s legislative agenda.
• Official framing: Voluntary and secure, will streamline public services.
• Critics: It signals a shift to mass surveillance, social control, and loss of privacy.

“This is a piece of a much larger control system.” — Clayton Morris (46:10)

<ins>Guest Analysis: Jim Ferguson</ins>

• Loss of Autonomy and Control:
  • Millions in the UK signed petitions opposing digital IDs, but the government is moving forward regardless.
  • Digital ID likely to be tightly coupled with Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs), centralizing immense power.
  • Parallels with China’s "social credit" system: risk of government blacklisting, financial exclusion, data breaches and surveillance.

“As soon as they get this through, everything changes…gives the...elites absolute control and power over everyday citizens.” — Jim Ferguson (46:37)

• Government Instability:

  • Ongoing political upheaval in the UK, but Ferguson predicts new government likely to double down on globalist surveillance policies.

• World Economic Forum Influence:

  • King Charles' close relationship with WEF founder Klaus Schwab is cited as evidence of a deeper alignment with globalist agendas.
  • Fear that technocratic elites on both sides of the Atlantic are pushing for a Chinese-style control grid.

<ins>Memorable Quotes & Timestamps</ins>

• [51:17] “You need to almost be a pathological psychopath in order to sort of second guess what they’re about to do. But, I mean, it’s all about control.” — Jim Ferguson

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4. Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes Labeled as "Domestic Terrorists"? (57:03 – 76:18)

<ins>The Trump Administration’s New Counterterror Guidance</ins>

• Sebastian Gorka (Trump Counterterrorism Official):
  • In a recent interview, Gorka named Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes as examples of individuals outside the "conservative movement" and, by implication, possible threats to democracy under new domestic counterterrorism policy.

“If you are lauding Sharia law...I’m not sure you’re part of the conservative movement.” — Sebastian Gorka (62:41)

• Context and Rebuttal:
  • Tucker’s comments, quoted by Gorka, were actually observations about Middle Eastern societies’ confidence and social order—not praise for Sharia law.
  • Hosts express alarm that policy is shifting from targeting legitimate threats to criminalizing dissent and political opinion.

“Criticizing the government makes you a terrorist...we only have foreign terrorists. By definition, there’s no…definition of domestic terrorists.” — Natalie Morris (73:04)

<ins>Main Takeaways</ins>

• Growing trend to conflate government criticism or skepticism with extremism or domestic terrorism.
• Concern that executive orders on domestic counterterrorism could be weaponized to chill dissent, particularly within the conservative base.

<ins>Memorable Quotes & Timestamps</ins>

• [72:44] “This is our constitutional right to be critical of any government agency.”
• [73:32] "It’s like misinformation. It’s a government slogan that’s aimed at manipulating you." — Natalie Morris

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Additional Notable Quotes

• [12:02] Dr. Nass: "The Biological Weapons Convention…that international treaty has no mechanism for enforcement. So there’s no way you can send a team to go investigate somebody else’s labs and see what they’re doing."
• [24:24] Clayton: "I guess our next segment, we're gonna cover the conspiracy that there's a deep state running our government."
• [56:30] Jim Ferguson: "There’s a distinction between communism and globalism, but it's a very small distinction…they’re obsessed with controlling everybody else, and that's what we're actually witnessing right now."
• [76:11] Natalie: "Everywhere you live is a trade off and you can learn things from other cultures. That's enlightenment. That's not terrorism."

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Timestamps: Key Segments

• Ukraine Biolabs / Dr. Nass Interview: 05:03 – 23:47
• Fauci/CIA COVID Origin & Michael Caine Interview: 24:06 – 41:34
• UK Digital ID / Jim Ferguson Interview: 42:01 – 56:55
• Tucker/Nick Fuentes – Domestic Terrorism Debrief: 57:03 – 76:18

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Tone and Approach

• Direct, Skeptical, Irreverent: The hosts employ a no-nonsense, sometimes sardonic tone. They openly reject establishment language and question the motivations behind government and media narratives.
• Analytical but passionate: Guests are given space for detailed historical and policy analysis, and all participants frequently challenge mainstream or complacent viewpoints.
• Mission-Oriented: The episode repeatedly calls for vigilance, personal action, and skepticism toward both political parties and the technocratic elite.

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Summary for the Uninitiated

This episode is a dense, wide-reaching ride through subjects the mainstream often sidesteps—secret biolabs, government manipulation of science, creeping surveillance, and the weaponization of dissent. By bringing together veteran journalists, medical experts, and activist voices, Redacted News delivers a bracing alternative to corporate news, pushing listeners to challenge easy narratives, demand transparency, and defend basic rights and liberties in an era of rapid technocratic and political transformation.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Natalie]

Well, I mean, his energy does not match the intensity of the show today because we're following up on things that we have been warning about which were once conspiracies. Bio labs in Ukraine. Yes. Now the government is actually investigating that. Interesting. Dr. Fauci putting down the lab leak. Manipulating the science. Now, that's congressional testimony as well.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. We're also gonna talk about the UK's digital ID. We heard from the king pushing his ministers to roll out, in fact, the digital ID in the uk. We've been tracking this story for you as the UK really becomes the dystopic homeland for surveillance and this move towards a control grid that Katherine Austin Fitts has been warning about. Also part of Trump's counterterroris is now labeling Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes as domestic terrorists. Yeah, exactly.

[Natalie]

Which is not a thing again.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, they claim it is, but it's on part of this executive order, so we're gonna talk about that and everything today. So please let us know where you are.

[Natalie]

It literally cannot be a thing. So, yes, we're gonna talk about it. But you guys don't use that term. You're not an idiot. You know that we cannot have domestic terrorists. That's not really a thing. There's a constitutional problem with that term.

[Clayton Morris]

Eagle262 says. Yeah. Which is what they want in the United States as well. Yeah. The digital ID here. Of course. Absolutely. Katharine Austin Fitz brought up a great point about this whole China trip. And you have all of these technocrats going along with Trump to China. Pay attention to what's not being said. The currency system, the manipulation of all of this, the mass surveillance programs that will be born out of a trip like this. What you'll see publicly is not that, but what they'll be discussing behind closed doors is exactly that. So pay attention to all of that.

[Natalie]

In the words of Spaceballs. Yes, that.

[Clayton Morris]

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[Natalie]

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[Clayton Morris]

Well, the US intelligence community has officially opened an investigation into more than 120 US tax taxpayer funded biological laboratories operating overseas, including 40 in Ukraine. Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard says the probe is part of an effort to shut down risky gain of function research. The plan is to identify where these labs are, specifically what pathogens they contain and what research is being conducted. This isn't the first time she's talked about this. Gabbard has accused officials in the past connected to the Biden administration, along with figures such as Anthony Fauci, of misleading the public on this about the existence and scope of these US backed biolabs overseas.

[Natalie]

Now you may recall that during the Biden administration, former State Department death eater Victoria Nuland admitted that biolabs are in Ukraine are funded by the United States. But she said, oh no, it's only for defensive research. If you think that they're up to anything that's just Russian disinformation, recall this JEM led along by Marco Rubio.

[Clayton Morris]

I only have a minute left. Let me ask you, does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?

[Natalie]

Ukraine has

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

biological research facilities which in fact we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of. So we are working with the Ukrainians

[Natalie]

on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

hands of Russian forces should they approach.

[Clayton Morris]

I'm sure you're aware that the Russian propaganda groups are already putting out there all kinds of information about how they've uncovered a plot by the Ukrainians to release biological weapons in the country. And with NATO's coordination, if there's a biological or chemical weapon incident or, or attack inside of Ukraine, is there any doubt in your mind that 100% it would be the Russians that would be behind it?

[Natalie]

There is no doubt in my mind, Senator.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

And it is classic Russian technique to

[Natalie]

blame on the other guy what they're planning to do themselves. I am certain we can leave it there. It's 1984 level, you know, doublespeak. The Ukrainian connection, of course, is what's drawing the most attention because number one, we've been reporting on this for over five years. The Russians have claimed that they have seen in fact COVID vaccine samples inside of those labs when they took over that territory, when they annexed it. We also have claims of AIDS research on Ukrainian military personnel at the time when we've been reporting this. These things have been dismissed as Russian propaganda, but we know that it wasn't. Joining us to Discuss it is Dr. Meryl Nass, a biological warfare epidemiologist and author of Merrill's Chaos Letter on Substack. Thank you so much for joining us. It's nice to have you.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

Hey, great to be back.

[Clayton Morris]

Welcome back.

[Natalie]

All right, so what do you think of these bio labs in Ukraine that were once conspiracy territory? How do you feel watching the government acknowledge that they exist?

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

Well, it's very interesting that the government is acknowledging them, but not only them, but many more. So that we're acknowledging about 40 in Ukraine, but over 100 altogether. So approximately 80 in other countries. Now, we don't know what countries and we don't know what they're doing. But let me go back. So at the fall of the Soviet Union, or maybe I should go further back than that. At least Since World War II, minimum, 10 countries and probably many more have studied biological weapons agents as well as treatments and vaccines for them. At the time the Soviet Union fell, there was concern that there would be a diaspora of Soviet and other Remember, there were many nations that the Soviet Union had sort of taken over, and so there were labs in those nations as well, that there would be a diaspora of scientists that they might to the highest bidder in China or Iran or North Korea or wherever. And so attempts were made to put money into finding them jobs and finding them something to do. And now I wonder whether that effort actually resulted in the US State Department and or Defense Department sponsoring potentially offensive labs in these countries. There's a great advantage to having a lab for. So it's against the law to develop biological weapons. It's against the law to manufacture them. And the law is the Biological Weapons convention, which about 185 nations have signed and ratified, including the U.S. so that's why it's against the law. But if the United States, for example, did it in another country, though that lab information could never be FOIAed. It could never necessarily be obtained by Congress. Whereas if the lab was in the United States and the government changed parties, the next party could go after all those lab records. Now, we're hoping that Tulsi Gabbard is able to find out what's going on. But the fact that this is taking a long time suggests that she is running into roadblocks as well. Well, which are strength. Those roadblocks are strengthened because these labs are not within the United States.

[Clayton Morris]

We've also covered and you bring up some Great points. So we don't have this oversight that we would have here in the United States. And there are even more nefarious programs. We've had Diliana of Bulgaria on the show. She's covered some of these labs in Tbilisi, Georgia. Some horrible things we covered here on the show a couple of years ago about testing on humans specifically. That lab was of course pushed by Obama, opened in like 2012. There's all sorts of big Hunter Biden connections here with metal biota. And I always forget the other, the name of the other one that he was involved with. But this stuff is very, very dark. And we have the documents showing like testing on human beings. What other nefarious things do you think that she might discover in these investigations?

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

Who knows?

[Natalie]

I mean, we might as well speculate because a lot of times our speculation becomes true.

[Clayton Morris]

Informed speculation.

[Natalie]

We can say we're speculating, but so.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

So the Biological Weapons Convention was developed in 1972, 54 years ago, and it went into force in 1975, 51 years ago. Up until that time, the United States was developing and stockpiling many biolog weapons. We know that. I have a book in my possession which was written right after World War II by one of the scientists at Fort Detrick who described 15 or 20 different biological weapons agents that the US had developed for use against animals, plants, you know, livestock, crops as well as people for potential use in World War II. And for instance, anthrax was one of them that was developed as cattle cakes to potentially be used in Germany if necessary. So we had 15 or 20 weapons in the 1940s. And so by the 1970s we have almost three decades more. We probably developed even better weapons. And subsequently we know that there were weapons that were specifically designed to evade antibiotics and vaccines. So that's 50 years ago. What has been developed now? Again, it's against the law in the United States and in almost all of the rest of the world to develop these things. But it certainly can be done relatively easily because that international treaty has no mechanism for enforcement. So there's no way you can send a team to go investigate somebody else's labs and see what they're doing. The United States, UK and Russia had a three way agreement around 1991 or two to investigate each other's labs. But that's the last time I can remember anyone, you know, had access to Russian labs or to US labs. And so with 50 years, we know South Africa had an active program. How many other nations may have been developing these weapons in secret? So you Know, I mean, the possibilities are endless because what was being done even 50 years ago is you take a piece of this and a piece of that, you know, you. You take the ability of one organism to transmit very well and the ability of another to, you know, produce a deadly toxin, you know, and you can put them together and. Or you can develop a weapon that will cause people to develop autoimmune illnesses. I mean, the possibilities are great. Now, having said all that, none of this. Well, I shouldn't say none of this stuff has been used in the United. As far as we know, within the United States, none of this stuff has been used on us, with the potential exception of COVID the SARS CoV2 virus and the vaccine, which. So the vaccine should never have been developed the way it was developed for Covid because it included the most toxic, problematic parts of the virus. When you develop a vaccine, you're supposed to use the non toxic, benign parts of a virus to stimulate immunity. You're not supposed to make people sick the way the virus makes people sick with your vaccine. So that was very odd. But I certainly, I was a consultant to the Cuban Ministry of Health in 1993 on an illness they had that was actually due to cyanide and was causing people to go blind, lose their hearing, have trouble walking, et cetera. Because cyanide poisons an absolutely critical part of the electron transport chain, which provides energy, which provides ATP to people so we can live. So somebody poisoned Cuba with cyanide? It's not a biological weapon, it's chemical weapon. But that was done despite the fact that, you know, that is against the law as well.

[Michael Caine]

Wow.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

When I was in Cuba, they told me about roughly seven different animal and plant pathogens that they believed had been used on them. And one of those, the African swine fever virus, was reported in, I believe, the Washington Post and the San Francisco Chronicle using whistleblowers that the CIA had actually sent it to Cuba to Cuban dissidents through Panama. And again, this was about 40 to 50 years ago. The Cubans had to kill half a million pigs on the island because of that pig epidemic.

[Natalie]

And so who do you think, what, what forces would actually be able to manipulate in these unregulated labs? Like whose agenda would be, who's ordering projects inside of these labs?

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

So you can have a government lab, but you can also have a private lab. So the United States, legally, we do not have control of private labs. You can make your own maximal containment laboratory in the United States. I mean, if you want to, you can get away with it. There is no law prohibiting you from doing that. And you can have your own scientists create whatever you like. So I'm just talking about. I'm not saying this is happening, but I'm saying that legally it is not prohibited. It is a loophole, and that's what you can do in the United States. So just imagine what you can do in the rest of the world.

[Clayton Morris]

Are you hopeful that they will get answers from this? I mean, I mentioned, you know, Tbilisi, Georgia, you have cancer clusters from people that live around this lab. Are we going to get very. Are we going to. Do you believe we'll have specificity over these 120 labs?

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

You're asking do I believe we will be able to control them? We will know what's going on in them? That who knows? We had. We had. There was a Senate hearing this morning with. Held by Rand Paul. And main theme of that hearing was that the intelligence community is not under anyone's control. It is not accountable. Several senators talked about, you know, the deep state and the fact that we don't. Senator Hall Johnson.

[Clayton Morris]

Ron Johnson flipped out.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

I mean, he was from Missouri.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, yeah. And Ron Johnson. Hawley. Ron Johnson was yelling basically, like, who is the deep state? He's so fed. Who's controlling us? Like Senate. They can't even get answers.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

Exactly. So if, if you can't get answers in the United States, you know, you're certainly not going to get them in Ukraine or Bulgaria or Georgia or wherever else. I mean, France and, and England and Germany and Japan and Australia have also had biological defense labs. And of course, the, the difference between offense and defense is thin. But again, having said all that, these weapons are not being used. People who, if they exist, they probably do, but people who have access to them are not using them. There aren't very many good tactical ways to use them. I mean, you may get. You may be identified as a perpetrator, for example. I mean, we know that what's his name, Vincent Munster, was just arrested for bringing viral samples into the United States undeclared. And he works for the NIH at the Rocky Mountain lab in Montana. Now, it's alleged by Jim Haslam that the COVID virus tended to infect the animals that are used at the Rocky Mountain lab, like certain deer and certain other animals that are unusual lab animals, but are used in Hamilton, Montana at the NIH lab. And if that's true, then you can pin the development of the COVID virus back in part to that lab, that it must have been passaged through the animals that were present there. And so, you know, if you are found to have created a biological weapon, right. Your. Your reputation is gone, your livelihood is gone. You will suffer greatly, as will your family. So nobody is really willing probably, to suffer those kinds of consequences.

[Natalie]

I was just the first.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

Go ahead.

[Natalie]

I just wonder how knowable it is to follow those things, because I feel like it has been purposely confiscated through these various channels. You know, I've seen journalists that I trust inside Ukraine who have gone into these bio labs that are now in Russian control and said they did see evidence of COVID vaccine development there. And so, yeah, maybe you can follow that. How knowable is this?

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

Right. I mean, Covid developing a COVID vaccine is very benign. It was developed in, you know, dozens of countries.

[Natalie]

Sure.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

The Russians told the UN that they found anthrax in one of the labs they took over. I mean, we had anthrax as a weapon back in the 1940s. So that, you know, so what if they found anthrax? But if they found anthrax that was souped up, that would be a big deal. Now, I may have mentioned earlier that I published the first paper that went backwards and took an epidemic which was the world's largest anthrax epidemic, which occurred in Rhodesia in the late 1970s. And I showed how it could not possibly be a natural occurrence. And before that, no one had done that, at least not in the open literature. And so it seemed more likely that a perpetrator could get away with it because no one had ever pinned any epidemic on a perpetrator. But having done that, and now having seen Covid and seen the monkeypox and bird flu and all the rest, it seems that everyone will be carefully focused on whether the genome of these viruses is natural or unnatural. I mean, we've paid a great deal of attention to that for Covid. And so everybody knows how to. What to look for and how to do it. And I think that, you know, we will very quickly be able to distinguish whether we have a lab reduced or a naturally occurring virus or bacteria causing an epidemic in future. And so that is a good preventive measure. Right. If you think you can get away with something, you're a lot more likely to do it than if you think, I might not be able to get away with this and I might spend the rest of my life in jail.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, right. Well, Dr. Ness, we'd love to have you back on as this investigation unfolds and as more pieces of this puzzle come together. Hopefully we'll get more answers, and we'd love to have your analysis because I think you're brilliant.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I didn't know that about anthrax.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

That's wild.

[Clayton Morris]

Thank you so much for lending your expertise to this. But this is just the beginning of the onion. As we start to peel this thing back, it's going to get a lot stinkier. So we'd love to have you back on when you. When you can. If you'd be so kind as to join us. Thank you so much, Doctor. Great to see you, as always.

[Natalie]

All right, well, coming up, we are going to talk about the Fauci hearings, the congressional hearings where a CIA whistleblower says, yes, Anthony Fauci did manipulate the science. He did manipulate the American public. We knew that. But to hear a whistleblower say that is infuriating. So that's another check mark in our conspiracy knowing. But we're going to talk about it in depth in just a second.

[Clayton Morris]

Someone the other day was like, by the way, do you realize that redacted show just spews conspiracies? Like, I saw someone. Someone was criticizing me. They're like, do you know who this Clayton is? He just. I'm like, okay, can you please be specific with specificity? What conspiracies have we laid out that have not come true? Can you please. And that person went quiet, of course, because as, like, Dr. Nass pointed out, all of these things that we've covered here on the show have come to pass.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

So I think calling somebody a conspiracy theory is the equivalent of just saying, I don't like what you said. That makes me uncomfortable or icky. So I guess our next segment, we're gonna cover the conspiracy that there's a deep state running our government. Oh, but members of the Sen. Senate can actually get access to certain documents related to the church committee and other things. So I guess there's a conspiracy about a deep state. We're going to talk about that, but first.

[Natalie]

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[Clayton Morris]

She approved the research that went on in Wuhan and it might not be in his interest for the conclusion to be that it came from a lab that he had funded, that there might be a conflict. Did any everybody ever bring up that he might not be an objective witness? That was one example of an email. No one laid it out quite that clearly.

[Jim Ferguson]

You're piecing it together.

[Clayton Morris]

We were piecing it together from multiple emails from multiple agencies, multiple documents.

[Jim Ferguson]

It was more subtle than that.

[Clayton Morris]

Nobody said this is happening and unfortunately I think they probably should have. It was all out there. But your conclusion is that changing from the scientific consensus of it being from a lab to a neutral position by the CIA was significantly influenced by Anthony Fauci's. It was significantly influenced by Anthony Fauci's injecting himself into the ic. To go to the second part of your question about what happened, particularly during the 90 day study, we have documentation that shows that as of August 12th, the CIA was considering calling this a lab leak. August 12th of 2021. And then that changed on August 17th of 2021. And unfortunately, because the CIA would not provide us documentation that we asked for, we can't. We have no idea why that changed. And that that's. And they weren't alone, because we know the FBI was coming to the same conclusion that it was lab leak as well as the FBI. Senator Ernst.

[Natalie]

All right. He also references the proximal origins study that concluded that Covid was likely to come. Was unlikely to come from a lab. And we've seen the email chains where there was this study. And they said, actually, we don't like this conclusion. Can you just say it was unlikely? Again, this was used by the government to shut down questions about lab manipulation. So remember, you know, early on, the discussion about a lab leak was aggressively censored. Scientists, journalists, ordinary citizens were labeled conspiracy theorists for even raising the possibility. But then behind closed doors, the government had in that it might be. Dr. Michael Caine is the director of advocacy. Sorry. At Children's Health Defense. He joins us today. Thank you so much for joining us.

[Michael Caine]

Thanks so much for having me. Just one correction. I am not a doctor. I'm a director of advocacy.

[Natalie]

But I apologize. Okay. That's not even in my notes. I made that up. So I do admit when I'm wrong. I'm a conspiracy knower.

[Jim Ferguson]

You've just been elevated.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

Wow.

[Michael Caine]

Right.

[Clayton Morris]

This.

[Natalie]

Sorry.

[Jim Ferguson]

Right.

[Clayton Morris]

Write this day down.

[Natalie]

No, that's my husband talking. I don't. I'm never wrong with him. I wanted to ask you the question about, you know, did Dr. Fauci and his minions want to cover up a lab leak that would then. Because if he did do that, that would lead us to ask the question, was Covid a lab manipulation or gain of function?

[Michael Caine]

Yes. Fauci injected himself. And what we had today was an individual, Jim Erdman, who is a current CIA officer. Not former. He currently works for the agency. He was in DNI Gabbard's office as well, too, working with her. He's coming out and sharing these things from his knowledge under subpoena, swearing to them to being true. Now, a lot of this stuff we have pieced together over time, we've seen redacted. Has covered these things very well. But from such a reputable source who. The CIA is very upset about this. The director and the agency have come out saying that this hearing is basically political theater. And the truth is it's anything but. It's somebody who is willing to put everything on the line to tell the truth to the American people. Something that we are just starving for through this whole five, six years of COVID insanity. Yes. What Erdman was able to say was Foushee injected himself into the intelligence community's process on at least two occasions as early as 2020. Again in 2021, Foushee didn't exactly give his opinion, but he pointed to the proximal origins paper of his buddies who had written a scientific paper that was published in saying, no, this isn't a lab leak. This is zoonotic. This came from nature. So that was Fauci's very smart, very smart man and operator. So he didn't do it. He just pointed to what he felt the outcome needed to be to kill and end the lab leak theory. And that goes all the way up till 2023, where Erdman reveals that the CIA analysts and scientists stuck with their gun, the intelligence community analysts stuck to their guns, said no. The best analysis here shows that this was a lab leak. And Erdman says in the middle of the night, management changed that and made it from saying most likely it was a lab leak to saying that it was neutral. Likely zoonotic. Could be zoonotic. And that was definitely directly influenced by Fauci's gravitas, by him interjecting himself and by him pointing to who were the scientists the intelligence community should be listening to and defer to.

[Natalie]

Well, right, because if in fact it was a lab leak, then it points to the fact that there may have been gain of function, which, by which we mean manipulation of COVID viruses. That is was supposed to have been shut down under the Obama administration. And so that's the. That's what would be being hidden. I didn't say that. Well, but you know what I mean, that's what they're hiding.

[Michael Caine]

That's. That's a major piece of it. You have the definition of gain of function being changed, a new definition that Foushee then utilizes and references to say we've never engained, you know, we've never engaged in gain of function research. Completely a lie. That was what everyone was counting down to on the May 11 date of possibly indict Fauci. Right, because he lied before Congress. He lied in front of Senator Paul in particular, claiming there was nothing gain of function going on, but really he was playing a shell game with change definitions and such. One thing I want to point out about that Fauci being indicted is not over. There's one specific charge that had a five year window about him lying to Congress. It is definitely possible that there could still be charges against him. The DOJ was reported in the New York Post just two or three days ago where the DOJ said, we are still considering potential conspiracy charges against Anthony Fauci. And we're seeing more information, we're seeing more witnesses. God bless Jim, who came out a whistleblower willing to risk it all and get this information on record from the inside. So, yeah, they're trying to cover up that gain of function is something that they have been engaged in, that the United States has signed off on that. As Senator Paul rightly said, Anthony Fauci helped to fund throughout the world and in Wuhan, China. One of the things that, that Senator Paul brings up that is like so critical is didn't the intelligence community recognize that perhaps Foushee had a conflict of interest, maybe since he was involved in funding the research at Wuhan Labs, that which was essentially illegal and gain a function, maybe his analysis and perspective would be skewed to protect that information. And I 100% agree with that. This is really shaking things up. I'm glad to see Covid is back in the news cycle here, which it needs to be because you want to know something. The voters care about this and people want to hear about COVID They want to know what the truths are. And when they go to the ballot box, they want to know that this is being dealt with in the correct way. So God bless Senator Paul, God bless Senator Johnson who did an amazing job today too. And all the Republican senators who showed up. Not, not one Democrat was willing to show their face today. Not one.

[Natalie]

Have an image here we can show of their empty seats not showing up. What, what's wrong with them? You're not interested.

[Michael Caine]

To me, this is clear that they don't know what to say, that they don't know what to do if Jim is lying. Prove it. If there's something he got wrong, show up and challenge him. The Democrats love that. They love grandstanding. They love getting their 30 to 60 second social media clip. Right. But in this instance, no, no, no, they're not showing up at all. And I think that speaks louder than almost anything. I think that speaks to how difficult it is for them to try to contest an insider who is still in the CIA. I mean, it's not easy for Jim to come out while he's employed by the CIA and to say all of these things. Obviously he's a true patriot who feels that he has an important truth and that that truth is, is. Is too important to just, to just shut down.

[Natalie]

Do you think we can extrapolate then that Democrats loved Covid? They cannot admit that they were wrong about it. They loved mask mandates. They loved. It was just a really fun time for them. And they can't admit any, any fault in the way they handled it.

[Michael Caine]

I think the Democrats love authoritarian control over the population. I do. I think a large number of the Democrats in elected office right now still believe in the insanity that we were told or believe. Oh, well, you know, everybody did the best they could at the time with the knowledge that they had. And we're realizing that's not true. We're realizing we were truly manipulated. There were real lies that were put forth in order to guarantee that an emergency use authorization, authorized vaccine was forced on the population. There's a whole bunch of facts that have come out and information about how they suppressed early treatments that work like Ivermectin and others. I think that it's very difficult for the Democrats to admit that they got played. And, you know, I thought at least Senator Fetterman might show up today. He's one who's been talking some common sense on some issues. The only Democrat that President Trump. Trump shook his hand when coming in for the state of the nation, the state of the union. But I guess this one's too big. I guess even Fetterman can't, can't buck his party on this. They're all standing in unison, standing against the Republicans. I don't think this is going to help them. I don't think this was a smart move by the Democrats. And I also don't think this is going away. I think this story has legs for weeks and months ahead.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, exactly. I want to ask you why we don't hear a lot of discussion about Fort Detrick. Because there was a lab leak in the summer of 2019. We have coverage of that from the New York Times. We know that a lab was shut down in the summer and then subsequently in the same summer. Here's a report from a local news station about a mysterious respiratory virus in the middle of a hot summer. Watch tonight, a deadly outbreak in Virginia. Two deaths and dozens of residents sickened by a respiratory illness here at the Green Spring Retirement Community.

[Clayton Morris]

For a respiratory outbreak to occur in

[Michael Caine]

July would certainly not be as likely as for it to occur during the winter.

[Natalie]

Okay, so the doctor's like, this is funny. We don't usually have respiratory virus outbreaks in the middle of. So, you know, I mean, this is one of many threads we can pull. It's always been the most obvious to me. Why is no one looking at that? So do you think that we might get there through this avenue of questioning

[Michael Caine]

the powers that be? The biomedical security state. They love tinkering with germs. They love playing God, they love having access to these potential germ warfare scenarios. And you know, Covid is just one of the worst examples we've ever seen, you know, that has shined a light on this. But these biolabs are not. They do not have the best systems for security, for cleanliness, and for making sure that these things don't happen. They are more concerned with being given permission to play God than with keeping the people safe, than with keeping these labs safe. You just had Dr. Meryl Nass on. I mean, one of my heroes, she could go on and on about this. She's literally written books about this, about the hazard of gain of function and the hazard that these, these bio labs pose to, to all Americans, can pose to the entire world. And one of the things that I think is so important right now is we just saw in the Senate the first taste of some accountability around Covid. At Children's Health Defense, US and other organizations, we've put forth something called the COVID justice resolution. And I want to encourage people, you feel like there's nothing you could do, go to covidjustice.org go there and sign on. This is a resolution that we're putting forth. We want the United States Senate to put out there to say never again. We will never lock down the populace. We will never close down religious institutions. We will never force experimental vaccines on you. This is such an important moment because there are people who want Covid gone. They want this to just go into the corner where we never have to speak about it again. But thanks to people like Senator Ron Johnson and today Senator Rand Paul, they're not letting that happen. So I just want to encourage Everybody, go to covidjustice.org Spread the word. We have over 38,000 signatures on there with tons of high level medical freedom groups supporting it, such as Maha Institute in Brownstone. This is something that you could do today, spread the word. With COVID back in the news cycle, it's definitely a time for us to

[Natalie]

push this, right, so we don't get hantavirus lockdowns. Absolutely. All right, thank you so much for joining me. It was a pleasure to talk to you. I hope I get to talk to you again because, yeah, there's a lot of good energy around it. We need to keep it going. Michael Caine, again is the director of advocacy at Children's Defense Health Defense. The Children's Health Defense. So sign [e-mail] thank you so much. Thank you.

[Clayton Morris]

All right, coming up here on the show, we're going to talk about UK's digital ID rollout and why the move towards a control grid is almost upon us. And we're going to play the king's words overnight all about that. And the UK's total clampdown on freedoms is coming up next. So we're going to talk about that. But first, but first, we want to tell you about our friends at Mars Men. You know what's frustrating? As you get older, you can be working out, eating pretty well, doing the same things you did 10 or 15 years ago and your body just doesn't respond the same way anymore. Like doing workouts in your 30s, 40s, 50s, your body changes. A lot of guys start storing more fat around the stomach. Workouts feel harder, recovery takes longer and that old energy just isn't there. That's one of the reasons Mars Men is so powerful. Mars Men is a natural supplement designed to support healthy testosterone levels which can help support energy, exercise performance, weight management, lean muscle, no synthetic hormones, no weird stimulants, just ingredients like Tongkat, Ali shiljat, zinc boron and more. And I love that it's made in the US, third party tested, backed by a 90 day money back guarantee. And it's about feeling sharper, more consistent, more dialed in and your recovery is better. I was having like a lot of arm pain after doing a lot of workouts. Not anymore. So you some men report better energy, stronger workouts, better focus, better recovery. 91% of users report higher energy levels. So for a limited time our listeners can get 50% off for life plus free shipping and three free gifts. If you go to MengotoMars.com that's MengotoMars.com for 50% off and three free gifts when you check out. It's also available on Amazon and after your purchase they're going to ask you where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that you heard about them from redacted. Again, MengotoMars.com 50% off for life, free shipping, three gifts for free. So our thanks to them for supporting the show. Well, the United Kingdom's total clampdown on freedoms is almost complete with the rollout of the digital id. Something very important just happened in the UK and of course it Barely got any attention in the mainstream media. Totally ignored, of course, if you go to any of the major newspapers, the BBC, msnbc, cnn, anywhere, you're not gonna see it. During the King's speech, King Charles read out the government's new legislative address agenda, which included this digital ID nugget. Listen, my ministers will also proceed with

[Jim Ferguson]

the introduction of digital ID that will modernize how citizens interact with public services.

[Clayton Morris]

Okay, so in order to interact with public services, you need a digital id, I guess your public services are unavailable to you if you don't take this digital id. Interesting. So they're moving forward with this Digital Access to Services bill, creating the legal framework for this digital id. UK officials presenting it as voluntary, of course, convenient and secure. It's all about your safety. But critics, of course, warn that this architecture is a much. This is a piece of a much larger control system. Joining us now is Jim Ferguson. He's been warning about exactly this digital id, state surveillance, and what happens when governments begin tying basic public services to centralized digital identity. He's an independent commentator, founder of Freedom Train International. Jim, always great to see you here. Thank you so much for joining us. Your response to the King's message, I mean, hearing this come out of the King's mouth, it really struck a nerve.

[Jim Ferguson]

Yeah, it did as well. Wonderful to be on with you guys again. But yeah, this is something that has certainly caught a lot of people's attention. I reported on this earlier on today and it started to go viral. So this is really where the King has said that he is expecting his ministers, his government, to introduce and push forward with the digital id. So the question is not if digital ID is coming. It certainly is. The real question is how far is it going to go?

[Clayton Morris]

That's. That is the big question. How far will this go? And you have petitions signed by millions of people across the UK. The Do Not Intrude introduced digital ID cards. This was even closed on January 9th. Take a look at your screen here. We demand that the UK government immediately commits to not introducing a digital ID card. And millions of people signed this, but they're not listening to those people at all. What were their concerns?

[Jim Ferguson]

Well, their concerns are about intrusion, a loss of privacy, a loss of autonomy, because this is gonna affect taxation, it's gonna affect medical records, it's going to affect everyday life. As soon as they get this through, everything changes. And of course, let's not forget about cbdc, Central bank, digital currencies, which are going to be a close second. Coming in after the digital ID legislation. Gets through. But right now, the us, the UK government, is an absolute free fall. We are witnessing a Prime Minister who is effectively shutting himself away in number 10. Won't talk to anyone because the knives are right by members of his own party. We've seen four cabinet ministers resign and he is now looking very much like a dead man walking. But the biggest problem, Clayton, is that whoever takes up the reins from him is going to be just as bad, if not worse. So digital ID is coming. People need to be prepared for that. They need to understand exactly what, what that means. But it's major, major loss of privacy. And it gives the unaccounted bureaucrats and the elites absolute control and power over everyday citizens. And that's far too much power to be handed over lightly. So I think there's a lot of concerns sparked by the King's address today.

[Clayton Morris]

There are people with power, people like yourself who have been outspoken against this, people like Nigel Farage, the leader of the reform uk. He came out today and delivered this message saying, absolutely, we do not support this. Take a listen.

[Michael Caine]

So the Prime Minister says we must have digital id. That's the way we'll stop illegal immigration.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, think about it.

[Jim Ferguson]

Germany has ID cards, strict ID and checks.

[Michael Caine]

It's made no difference at all in

[Jim Ferguson]

Germany, and nor will it here.

[Michael Caine]

All that digital ID will be is

[Jim Ferguson]

a means of controlling the population, of

[Michael Caine]

telling us what we can and can't do, of fining the innocent. And didn't we see it all when we had the pandemic? When you had to have vaccine ID,

[Jim Ferguson]

to travel, to do various things, did

[Michael Caine]

that stop the COVID pandemic spreading? Did it? Hell, all it did was put cost and inconvenience on everybody else.

[Jim Ferguson]

I also worry about massive data banks help with the government being hacked by

[Michael Caine]

foreign governments, by private companies, by criminals. I do not see a single benefit to the government having digital ID other

[Jim Ferguson]

than them controlling what we do, what

[Clayton Morris]

we spend and where we go.

[Jim Ferguson]

And we in reform are wholly opposed

[Michael Caine]

to it in every single way.

[Clayton Morris]

Anything you disagree with there, Jim, or 100% agree?

[Jim Ferguson]

Absolutely. 100% agreement in what he's saying in regards to digital ID. And of course, I think that, as I said to you, the government is in free fall. It's an absolute chaos here in the United Kingdom and Starmer's reluctance to assist our American friends has not been forgotten. And I think also that a change of government is most likely to come. Starmer is in all sorts of trouble. He is. His back is definitely against the wall, but Whoever comes in and there is an anticipated further resignation that may happen tomorrow. I think it would have happened today. And that's west street, who is rumored to be talking about resigning tomorrow. He didn't want to do it during the King's speech, but it is quite possible, and it's very much anticipated that he may actually resign as well. So that would be five cabinet ministers. I mean, they're dropping like flies, Clayton. And if this continues, I think that the, the men in gray suits will be paying a visit to Keir Starmer before too long. And, you know, Britain needs a change of government. Absolutely, it does. And I'm very pleased to see that Nigel did say that, you know, he was absolutely, absolutely no benefit from Digital id Advance uk. Other political parties are taking a very similar stance.

[Clayton Morris]

I will say it's hard, though, right? And when you're up against these technocrats that, I mean, look, look at Trump's flight to China filled with an airplane full of these tech, you know, these technocrats. You've got, you know, Elon Musk on there, you've got the head of blackrock, Blackstone, all of these guys who want this type of control in Washington. You know, we sort of joke that Washington D.C. is completely run by these, the Peter Thiel Palantir, like the lot that control pretty much everything in Washington D.C. is. Is it the same, would you say, in the uk and if so, how does the average Britain fight back?

[Jim Ferguson]

Well, I think one of the things that we've always said on Freedom Tree International is don't be scared, be prepared, anticipate what is coming, start to think like the globalists think, you know, you need to almost be a pathological psychopath in order to sort of second guess what they're about to do. But, I mean, it's all about control. And Nigel Farage was right in what he was saying there. It is all about controlling people. They're obsessed by it. But you raised a very interesting point there, Clayton, when you talked about them going to China. China's model, especially when it comes to the credit score system, where people, if they speak against the state, they jaywalk, they do something kind of random, the state doesn't like it, all of a sudden their credit score falls and everybody pretty much in China, maybe not so much in the rural areas, but a lot of people in China have to have these apps to open the doors to their apartments, to go through the gated communities. Well, that's the World Economic Forum's dream. Klaus Schwab loves that model a lot of the elites do because they are quite envious of that level of control of ordinary people and the ability to sanction people that speak out against the system. So ordinary Britons need to understand this is very real. When King Charles is giving that in his address, then it's definitely coming. It's definitely on the cards. People need to be ready for it. They need to be diversifying into other things. I've always encouraged people to grow your own food, grow your own food, have some gold and silver, have something that exists outside the system. But before too long, we're going to see CBDC is coming hot on the heels of digital id. And this is something that will pair the two together to give the state, the state apparatus, the globalist minds, absolute control over the population. And I think one of the most important things for people in the United Kingdom is to change the government, get rid of these globalists and make sure a government that's for the people and is run by the people effectively is elected, because otherwise we're going to see more of these globalist policies being rammed through. And of course, the King seems to be quite happy about all of that. And, you know, he did some good stuff in the United States of America. I was very pleased to see him there patching up relations with President Trump after the abysmal carrying on with Keir Starmer and the Diego Garcia bases and Straits of Horrors. So that was good. But I don't like to see him saying that digital ID is coming. He's definitely not right about that.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, maybe you could educate, before we let you go, you could educate our audience a little bit because he, on his history here, I mean, he's a World Economic Forum member, I mean, friends with. Friends with Klaus Schwab. So before he became king and ascended to the throne, he was openly talking about these things that were featured, I think even on the World Economic Forum's website.

[Jim Ferguson]

Absolutely right. I mean, if you go back and do any kind of research on Google or any other search engine for that matter, you will see even as a young man in his 20s and 30s, that a lot of the pictures saw Klaus Schwab in the background. So there's been a long association, a very close association with King Charles and Klaus Schwab. And Klaus Schwab is still there. He's still controlling a lot of things to do with the World Economic Forum. And it's deeply concerning that the King of the United Kingdom would be having such a close relationship with somebody that believes in doing away with elections and doing away with democracy and putting implants and all sorts of crazy stuff into people's food supplies. I don't want to eat bugs any more than you do, Clayton. Yet King Charles seems to be personal friends with them. And I think this is where we've really got to be very careful about the direction of travel. So the only thing, and the only peaceful solution is to change the government, get rid of these globalists, the Conservatives, unfortunately, in the United Kingdom. Well, they're no longer Conservative. They're only Conservative in name only. So you've got the Labour Party, which used to be the working people's party. Sir Keir Hardy, a fellow Scott back in the day, would be turning in his grave if he saw what the modern Labour Party has become under Keir Starmer. It's certainly not about working people. And the other thing that Nigel was right about is saying that Keir Starmer's excuse that digital ID is going to stop mass illegal immigration is another complete smokescreen. It's absolutely not true. They could stop it. We have. We still have some navy left. It could be stopped within 24 hours, cold. But they don't want to because it's part of the plan. It's part of the whole plan that's by design. To flood our countries in the west with massive numbers of young illegal migrant men is destabilizing. They know that. And of course, they're sort of doing this all ab order, Ko Ab order, order out of chaos in Latin. And they will create the problems and then they will offer these dystopian solutions. So it's right out of that playbook. But there is a distinction between communism and globalism, but it's a very small distinction. I think that there's a lot of similarities with people that are obsessed with controlling everybody else, and that's what we're actually witnessing right now.

[Clayton Morris]

Jim Ferguson, there's a reason he's one of our favorite guests. Follow him on X. He does incredible work calling out these globalists. And I like the idea of. Of trying to think like a globalist, like, can we put ourselves in those psychotic shoes to see how they would operate? And then we need to protect our families because that's the only way that it works. I love that. Jim, thank you for staying up late with us there. I know it's almost 10pm there in the UK, so thanks for sticking with us late. We really appreciate it.

[Jim Ferguson]

Jim, Always a pleasure to be on with you guys. And well done. Redacted. You're calling it out. So it's an honor for me to be here with you. Thank you.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, our pleasure. Thanks, Jim. Great to see you, my friend. Thank you. All right, well, coming up, we're gonna talk about Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes being labeled as domestic terrorists by the Trump administration. Yes. And was this like an extemporaneous thought process by their, one of their counterterrorism officials or was this a talking point handed to him going on a podcast intentionally to bring this up? We're gonna talk about that.

[Natalie]

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[Clayton Morris]

Some super chats here. Brookers. Thank you for your $1 super chat or rumble Rant says I used to live down the street From Kao Oka's BSL Mad Scientist labs. He made Captain trips and other horrors. He made all sorts of. Isn't that in Wisconsin? Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't that Wisconsin? Horrible stuff. Yeah, Active Guardian. Another Yoshiri Yoshihirio. Help me out here. I've always seen him said. I've never said it out loud. He's the godfather of enhanced pathogens. More than the. More than Barrick or Fauci. He was the first to use a snip of AIDS virus DNA to make engineered viruses grow faster. Thank you Active guardian for that. And pro says I'm subscribed with notifications on an algorithm actively suppresses your channel, even in the live shows category. How many of you guys also experience that? Do you guys have notifications turned on? Like when we go live every day at 4pm Eastern time? I know they, they love to hide our channel. So just curious. My girlfriend fidget guy says my girlfriend gets the. The ick when she watches Redacted. Maybe you guys should stop with all the logic and facts and science stuff. That would help a lot. Thanks in advance.

[Natalie]

Sorry.

[Clayton Morris]

Sorry. Yeah, we'll just go to. We'll just go to fake news.

[Jim Ferguson]

Like what, what does.

[Clayton Morris]

What does that leave you? Like, yeah, like I. Celebrity news, celebrity gossip. We'll just do a TMZ style show. Okay, how about that? Well, something very strange happened this week inside the Trumpet administration involving Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes. And whether you like Tucker Carlson, whether you hate Tucker Carlson, whether you agree with Nick Fuentes, whether you think Nick Fuentes is a fed or he's toxic or whatever, it doesn't matter. I don't care. That's actually not the point here at all. The point is much bigger than either Tucker or Nick because Sebastian Gorka, who is now serving as a senior counterterrorism official inside the Trump White House, he used to be a of course regular on Fox News. He was asked in an interview about so called right wing extremism and whether his team is monitoring threats on the right. And instead of talking about people who are actively planning violence, bomb plots, assassinations, mass shootings, or actual criminal conspiracies, Gorka clearly regurgitating some administration talking point. He says that it's extemporaneous. He's just like, you know what, I'm just gonna extemporaneously talk about Tucker Carlson right now and Nick Fuentes. Like it's just coming to me right now off the top of my head now. We are not seeing comparable trend Lines to violence on the right as we see on the left. And also, can I get extemporaneously just kind of add a little addition here, please? Just extemporaneous. It's up to people like you. I'm not a political analyst anymore.

[Michael Caine]

I'm a counterterrorism government employee.

[Clayton Morris]

But we have to have an effective,

[Michael Caine]

accurate snapshot on who are part of

[Clayton Morris]

the conservative movement today. Because I would say to you, I'm not sure that Nick Fuentes or Tucker Carlson are conservatives.

[Jim Ferguson]

If you are lauding a Sharia law,

[Clayton Morris]

if you are saying that there are Muslim states that seem to be better qualitatively than America in terms of freedom and prosperity, I'm not sure that means you're part of the conservative movement. So if, okay, so because they disagree with you, they're not part of the conservative movement and therefore they are now a threat to democracy. Therefore, AKA domestic terrorists. Tucker Carlson is a journalist, commentator who does interviews for a living. Nick Fuentes is a political live streamer. And are they domestic terrorists? Because they're just expressing their opinion about what they see. By the way, what is the conservative movement anyway? Is it maga? Is it supporting Israel's genocide like you? In order to be part of the conservative movement, you have to love everything Israel does. Then I'm sorry, I'm out. Is supporting another Middle east war, then? Sorry, I'm out. That's not what people voted for. Supporting $1.5 trillion new defense budget. Sorry, I'm out. So none of those things are conservative at all, by the true definition of conservatism. And a majority of Americans, by the way, don't support those things overwhelmingly. Just look at the polls across a number of categories. Do you support a Middle east war? The United States going to war with Iran? No. Do you support us sending billions of dollars to Israel? Do you support a genocide in Gaza? No, no, no. A lot of these people voted for Trump. So are they now outside of the conservative movement? Like, should they be watched? None of those things are conservative at all. And yet the Trump administration is doing exactly that, supporting those things. Things as inflation skyrockets and the price of a medium French fry at McDonald's is now $4. What conservative movement exactly are you talking about? Trump's poll numbers this morning are now the worst of any president in history. On the question of inflation specifically and how he's handling it. Watch this.

[Michael Caine]

These are the ugliest numbers I have

[Jim Ferguson]

ever seen on inflation.

[Michael Caine]

And it's not just one poll, Johnny Berman. Its many polls just Take a look here.

[Jim Ferguson]

President's net approval on inflation.

[Michael Caine]

The five worst polls ever for any president, they all belong to Donald John

[Jim Ferguson]

Trump, and they have all occurred in the last month.

[Michael Caine]

The CNN poll, one of them, 48. 48 points below water on the net approval rating.

[Jim Ferguson]

So what we're talking about here is

[Michael Caine]

the worst numbers ever in multiple polls now belong to the President of the

[Jim Ferguson]

United States, Donald Trump.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

Trump.

[Michael Caine]

It is a record, simply put. Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

So does that mean that. And by the way, Trump was asked about the pain that Americans are feeling right now, and he said he didn't like this. That sound bite is going to come back to haunt him, of course, which is that he didn't really care. So we'll get over it. People will get over it. Okay, well, I guess. I guess people will get over it. Does that mean all these former, like, MAGA supporters who are hardworking Americans who just want to put food on the table and protect their families, they feel betrayed now by Trump? They're somehow now like in the realm of Tucker Carlson, outside the conservative movement, AKA domestic terrorists, potentially.

[Natalie]

Well, do you think that that acts as a cautionary tale? It's like if you are following this line of thinking, if you feel betrayed like this, if you have not allowed me to lead the country into war, we're coming for you too.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I mean, one. And I guess one piece of this, one piece of this thing truly stands out to me, which is the part about Sharia law, by the way. You can watch the full clip. I'm showing parts of it here, but you can watch the full Gorka clip if you want. He says Tucker praised Sharia law. We played that part. He said, in fact, his words were Tucker lauded Sharia law. Okay, really? Did he really say that, that Tucker lauded Sharia law? Like, it's amazing. No, he didn't. Here's what he actually said in context. You decide.

[Michael Caine]

I travel so much that I see it. There's not a single western city that's thriving. And they're all degrading in exactly the same way. There's a lot of it.

[Clayton Morris]

Just a moral decay or is it actually true?

[Michael Caine]

It's a lot of things, but it's self hatred. Every city, crazy. Every European city, every American city. It's just white people lose their. Their will to live, their will to pass on their culture, their values, their religion to their children, their. Their will to have children. It's all gone. I mean, it's not gone with everybody, but I mean, in the cities, you. You really see it. It's like the people who built this are long gone and their descendants have fled and they don't care enough to keep it going. There's just a lack of self respect that is disgusting to me and I have contempt for it. I don't. It doesn't bother me to be hated. What really bothers me is when people hate themselves. If you hate, that's well put. You hate yourself.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah.

[Michael Caine]

How are you going to treat me?

[Clayton Morris]

That's correct.

[Michael Caine]

Oh, man. I don't like it. So you, and, and you. I've noticed it because I travel outside the Western world, the white world. Let me just be honest. The white world, right. Travel a lot in the Middle East. It's amazing. It's amazing. I'm not Muslim, obviously. In fact, I'm, I'm like a Christian, you know, flat out Christian. And my ancestors are from Europe and so I'm not. I have nothing in common on that level with the Gulf. But you go to the Gulf and, and it's incredible to be in a place that has pride in itself, that believes in its religion and culture, that thinks we're on, we're onto something and this is great. Look at what we're doing. We're really proud of this. Those people are happy, they're welcoming of others. They're tolerant of diversity, like we always say, tolerant of diversity. There's none of that here. Are you kidding? All the whites, oh, we love black people. Then they run and move to Bozeman because they're no black people.

[Clayton Morris]

Absolutely.

[Michael Caine]

Send their kid to the diversity. They hate it. And it, our version of it isn't working at all, like at all. So. But you go to a country like Japan or the Emirates or Qatar or Saudi Arabia and you see that, that when people are self confident, when they're really pleased with what they're doing and they believe that their system is the right system, that self confidence results in a kind of welcoming attitude. So you'll be sitting at dinner in Riyadh, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, and you'll say, you know, I just, I'm really kind of pro Jesus. Like I'm a Christian.

[Clayton Morris]

They'll be like, oh, that's so great. And they don't have the same.

[Michael Caine]

Well, they mean it.

[Jim Ferguson]

And they don't have the same belief.

[Michael Caine]

They're Muslims.

[Jim Ferguson]

They're Muslims.

[Michael Caine]

It's a country governed by Sharia law.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Michael Caine]

I mean. And they're like, that's great.

[Clayton Morris]

Good for you.

[Michael Caine]

Yeah, it's great. And you notice like in the, in ISIS or Al Qaeda or like the Muslim extremists. They're all from, like, collapsed, pathetic societies dominated by colonial powers. They've been degraded, and that's why they're so angry. Right. So there's something about being degraded that turns you into a violent nutcase extremist. You're seeing a lot of violent nutcase extremists in our country. Not surprising, because the country's being degraded.

[Natalie]

So that's some extremism right there.

[Clayton Morris]

So calling out what Americans are actually seeing, like the destruction of American cities. And so therefore, he's not a part of the conservative movement, Therefore this falls under this new counter domestic terrorism and organized political violence executive order from President Trump, which is NSPM Dash 7, specifically looking at. And these things, these, you know, talking about America, talking about targeted ideologies like anti Americanism, people that don't support the Trump agenda, anti capitalism, anti Christianity. Oh, anti Semitism, I suppose, as well, viewpoints like anti Americanism. So by this definition, under this new executive order, and Sebastian Gorka says, quote, I'm not sure that Nick Fuentes or Tucker Carlson are conservatives. If you're lauding Sharia law, if you're saying that there are Muslim states that seem to be better qualitatively than America in terms of freedom and prosperity, I'm not sure that you're part of the conservative movement. If you remove those individuals and you understand that those are not conservatives, then who's left? So basically, you're saying that they should be removed from the conservative movement. They're anti American, and these are people that should be looked at because they don't support the Trump agenda funding for these different organizations. The White House document also says the administration will ensure counterterrorism structures are not weaponized against the American people. Great, good. That's exactly what should happen. But then Gorka goes, you know, goes on a conservative show and starts dragging Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes into. Into a conversation about domestic extremism just because they're calling out these cities in the United States, which are deteriorating. Have you been to any major American cities where you see tent cities? You see homelessness, enormous amounts of crime. I mean, drive in downtown Dubai, you're not going to see tent cities set up. You're probably not going to see one piece of trash. By the way, if you drive down, like, through downtown Dubai, it's just not there. And drive through downtown Los Angeles and it's a totally different story. Drive down Kensington Boulevard in Philadelphia, and you'll see walking zombies sleeping on the streets. So I Don't know. But it's the opposite of reassuring that we're going to be calling out these individuals just because they're critical of the

[Natalie]

Trump administration, which is our constitutional right to be critical of any government agency. The government overall.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. So are they now domestic terrorists and a part of this executive order? Like, we should be looking at these individuals who are critical of the United States Anti Americanism? Like, what does that even mean?

[Natalie]

I mean, it's never been tested in courts, but you cannot call someone a domestic terrorism. You can call them a criminal. You can, you know, if they have criminal behavior. But the idea that criticizing the government makes you a terrorist, you know, again, we only have foreign terrorists. By. By definition, there's no. The Constitution gives us. The law gives us no definition of domestic terrorists. So when you hear that, it's like misinformation. It's a government slogan that's aimed at manipulating you.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. Let us know your thoughts on that in the comments. Thank you for your donation. I appreciate it as well. Satori, anybody else here want to. Eagle says they are setting the groundwork to use against all of us when the time comes.

[Natalie]

Right. Feels like it.

[Clayton Morris]

I mean, it's like. And it's not an attack on people who identify as, like, Maga or make America great again. Like, there are so many probably make America great again individuals who voted for Trump who feel betrayed by another Middle east war, trillions going to a defense budget. That's not going to help them.

[Natalie]

The technocracy on a foreign trip to get their agenda, not ours.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah.

[Jim Ferguson]

And that's the problem I see with this, is this.

[Clayton Morris]

This kind of thing only works if it is at the directive of a single person, meaning, like a king. Because it doesn't work. You can't. A group of people can't come together and agree on what it is because they'll disagree on something.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Clayton Morris]

You know what I mean?

[Jim Ferguson]

So, like, what.

[Clayton Morris]

What. What constitutes anti Christianity? What constitutes.

[Jim Ferguson]

You know, it's like the.

[Clayton Morris]

The Christian church obviously can't decide what Christianity is because there's like 40,000 sects of Christianity.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Clayton Morris]

So obviously they're not in agreement. So it really comes down to just one person.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

I mean, let's see here.

[Natalie]

Well, that's very much what they're trying to sell us is loyalty to Trump, you know, and that's just sort of an. A very. It's a newer paradigm of government propaganda is just trust this one person. This.

[Dr. Meryl Nass]

You.

[Natalie]

You believed in him. You need to continue to do so.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. And I'm sure you'd say I didn't label them specifically a domestic terrorist, but by calling them out by name under this new executive order, specifically on domestic terror and labeling them anti American and also pro Sharia law, which nowhere in. I know that's something that's been regurgitated by Laura Loomer. She's tweeted that whole video out Tucker's interview there, but nowhere in there does he is he praising Sharia law. What he's explaining is that I can sit there as a Christian and they can say and feel confident in their own skin enough to say, oh, that's great. You love Jesus. That's great. Good for you.

[Natalie]

Right?

[Clayton Morris]

And by the way, our cities aren't deteriorating and collapsing. It's not an affront.

[Natalie]

Also, it's stupid to think you have nothing to learn from other cultures. That's ignorant. Right. You can look at other places and say, wish we had this. Wish we had this. Have a conversation with David. He'll tell you all about why Thailand is great. Right?

[Clayton Morris]

I don't want to live in Dubai. I have no desire to live in Dubai. But I can appreciate the fact that when you go there, there's no trash on the ground and there's virtually no crime. Yeah, right. I can appreciate that everywhere you live

[Natalie]

is a trade off and you can learn things from other cultures. That's enlightenment. That's not terrorism.

[Clayton Morris]

Humongous shifts as Desantis banned and Sharia law in Florida. Patrick says 100% agree.

[Natalie]

Thank you, Patrick. We agree with you, too.

[Clayton Morris]

Sick of these two. After all these years talking about Tucker and. And Fuentes.

[Natalie]

Or us.

[Clayton Morris]

Or us. I mean, hey, I'm sick of me, but, you know, me too.

[Natalie]

I'm hot in here. It's like, really hot.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, it is hot in our studio.

[Natalie]

It's making me anxious at my husband.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, I like that.

[Natalie]

No, not in a good way. Not like that.

[Clayton Morris]

Okay, Gorka. Okay, thank you. You have to be educated and experienced to understand the differences between a political regime that's using Islam as a cover to take over with Sharia law. All you have to do is look and listen. Cleavage camp said. People said we need cleavage camp. What cleavage camp.

[Natalie]

Don't put things like that on the screen.

[Clayton Morris]

What cleavage camp?

[Natalie]

I don't have any cleavage.

[Clayton Morris]

No, they're talking about me.

[Natalie]

Oh, you. Yes. Where's your go. Go to your solo for that.

[Clayton Morris]

He's looking buff today. Look at that. Yeah, I love when you guys bicker. Someone said in the chat, why not that way? Yeah, why not? That way. Natalie, if you're a little agitated, this is really hot.

[Natalie]

Like this. That's not it. It's not a sexy kind of hot.

[Clayton Morris]

You're wearing like a velour dress.

[Natalie]

This is not.

[Clayton Morris]

I just feel like it's. I feel like it's hot. It's just hot looking. It makes me hot just looking at it.

[Natalie]

Yeah. We're in a heat wave right now,

[Clayton Morris]

so Clayton is in the dot matrix.

[Natalie]

I don't deal well with heat. I'm fine with cold.

[Clayton Morris]

Clayton shirt is suave. Thank you so much. She got it for me. She bought it for me, actually. Thank you, guys. Hey, thank you guys so much for joining us. We have a daily newsletter. We'd love for you to subscribe to it. It's totally free. Just go to redacted.inc, put in your email address and you will receive a welcome email. You need to confirm that you want to receive the newsletter. It might go to your spam folder or your Dangerous folder. 40% of Americans use Gmail, so chances are you probably use Gmail run by Google. They label our newsletter as dangerous. So look in your spam folder, make sure that you want to grab it and then move it to your inbox and click confirm. And then tomorrow morning on Thursday morning, you will receive our free newsletter. It's a great way for us to stay connected. We've been banned and blocked on these platforms before and they've told us, hey, you can't post even a community post. You can't even post a community post. So we had no way of contacting you. But all of our subscribers to our newsletter, we were able to send out a note saying, hey, YouTube banned us for two weeks for talking about COVID That was many years ago. But that's where our newsletter comes in handy and that's a great news there. It's a great news publication every morning. So redacted, redacted.inc is the place to go.

[Natalie]

Did you hear that sound effect? That was the dog, Grover.

[Clayton Morris]

Here, boy. All right. Thank you guys for joining us today. We'll be back tomorrow at. Senator Ron Johnson is going to be here on the show tomorrow joining us. We're going to get his take on this hearing today with Dr. Fauci and the deep state. I want to talk to him specifically about the deep state. So senator Ron Johnson joining us here on redacted tomorrow, 4pm Eastern Time. Be here. Thank you for so much. And we'll see you back here tomorrow, everyone.