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Clayton Morris (4:54)

according to President trump, Iran has 7 days to comply with US demands or we will unleash hell on that country, including massive strikes on their desalinization plants, energy infrastructure, which I guess is the way that you help the Iranians by destroying their energy infrastructure. We want to help liberate the Iranians, so we'll destroy their way of living and their ability to get clean water. Okay, so we're watching a catastrophic escalation in Iran with President Trump under enormous pressure to commit US Forces to Israel's war. Those aren't my words. Those are this morning's words from Joe Kent, the former director of National Counterterrorism, who resigned from this administration just a few weeks ago. This was his message this morning.

Joe Kent (5:39)

Watch this week, President Trump will be under immense pressure to commit ground troops to the war in Iran. This would be a catastrophic escalation that will only result in more bloodshed and further escalate this disastrous war. It is critical that we, the people, have our voices heard. Contact the White House comment line, contact the congressional switchboard, ask for your representative, ask for your senators. Respectfully, tell them that we do not support putting any boots on the ground in Iran. This is how we the people can have our voices heard. It's critical that we pray for peace, but it's also critical that we work towards peace. Respectfully, contact your elected officials and let them know we the people do not support this war. Thank you. God bless.

Clayton Morris (6:25)

Israeli Media, including Channel 12 in Israel, is reporting Israel will not commit ground troops if the US Launches a ground invasion of Iran. They'll let Americans fight and die for Israel, of course. And just like, by the way, side note, Israel has never in any conflict ever committed troops to assist the United States. FYI.

Natalie (6:47)

Is that a. Yeah, that's shocking when you think about that.

Clayton Morris (6:50)

In fact, as Brandon Weickert reported, in fact, they actually have worked to undermine our forces in certain areas. But that's a whole separate animal that we can talk about. But Joe Kent is the former director of National Counterterrorism center, who you, of course, saw there in the woods delivering that message. People in the chat room, Joe, were saying, why is he in the woods? Is that the only way go to be private right now and not have to have people lurking around you? Good to see you, Joe. Welcome back to the show. So your assessment, a catastrophic escalation? It seems that this message from President Trump this morning was delivered early enough right before the markets opened because it was set to be another disastrous day in the markets. President Trump loves To watch the stock market, like it's a, you know, referendum on his personality in some capacity. But do you want to, do you get the sense that that's true? His statement that we are working with the Iranians, that there is maybe a peace plan in place that we're working towards? Do you think that that's f.

Joe Kent (8:18)

Actually winning by not losing? So I think the Iranians right now, unless we, we change tactics, they're not going to take our diplomacy very seriously. Especially when we put out massive threats like do this or else we'll start bombing civilian infrastructure. If we're, if we were serious about getting them to the table, we would restrain the Israelis and that would show the IR ends that we are actually serious. Until we do that, I hope for the best. I hope I'm wrong. But I don't think our diplomatic efforts will succeed. I think Trump would like to be able to get a peace deal. I truly believe that he believes that. But I know he is under a lot of pressure to commit ground forces. We saw Mark Levin and the guys from the different think tanks, American Enterprise Institute, go on Mark Levin's program this weekend and really pitch the case for a special operations style raid where we go in and we seize whatever's left of the uranium from Iran. And this is the problem, I think with boots on the ground operations. If they go well, you're tempted to do more. If they go really badly and you lose people, then you have to double down and you have to stay to avenge the fallen, et cetera, and then you fall into this cycle. So I think we're in a very critical week here. That's why I put out that call to action this morning.

Natalie (9:28)

I want to ask you about the MAGA movement because conservatives were screaming all last summer that a bombing campaign would be one done and it would be over. And anyone saying there would be boots on the ground is being paranoid. Now watch Mark Levin, Levin over the weekend on Fox News making the case for boots on the ground troops on the ground.

Guest Analyst (9:50)

He said no troops on the ground. I don't remember that in any campaign speech either. But why would we need troops on the ground? Well, there's a lot of reasons and we wouldn't need 300,000 of them. It's this uranium too. We've got to get the uranium. If it cannot be destroyed, if it cannot be altered, we got to get it for the reason I just said, you can make dirty bombs and over time you can still make sophisticated missiles. So you need to get to the uranium. That's why I'm reading in the paper we're talking about the 82nd Airborne. We're talking about these various Special Forces and the various military services and so forth. He's not talking about sending regular army and infantry in by the hundreds of thousands. The men he's talking about, the units he's talking about, they are specialized. And you know what else I remember from my days in the Reagan administration? Many of them are trained for a moment like this to try and secure enriched uranium. Many have been trained for moments like this. I guess what I'm trying to say is we are in good hands. No, not with Allstate, but with President Trump, because he's a man with enormous intelligence, enormous common sense. He's not an ideologue. He doesn't run around.

Natalie (11:22)

All right, I don't want to hear any more of this.

Clayton Morris (11:25)

Enough of that brown nosing.

Natalie (11:27)

What does he pretend to know? And can you address the claims exactly that there are these specialty forces who know exactly how to do this type of janissary move? Where are these. What does he mean? Is this all fluff?

Joe Kent (11:44)

This is not fluff. What Levin means is exactly what the Israeli lobby is telling him. Levin is very much a part of that ecosystem that I pointed out in my resignation letter where he's getting talking points directly from the pro Israel lobby in America and probably in his case, directly from the Israelis themselves. And so if Levin is saying something this specific on his television program that the President has said that he's watching, the president is telling America to tune into this is not Mark Levin coming up with this on his own. He's not falling back on his, you know, time in the Reagan White House or whatever. He's getting talking points because these talking points behind closed doors are being briefed to the President with great detail and specificity. So this is why I say this week the President is going to be under immense pressure for an operation like this. If you do a, you know, a cursory search of what the capabilities of our Special Operations forces are. We do have the counter weapons of mass destruction mission, which does involve going and seizing, you know, uranium or nuclear weapons. So, yeah, there's guys who are trained and have this well within their portfolio. The question is, is it necessary? Here in Iran, after Midnight Hammer, we completely destroyed their capability. And so now the Israelis are playing this game just like they did pre Midnight Hammer, where they said, you know, it's not just a nuclear weapon. That's not President Trump's red line, even though Trump had set his red was Iran can have a nuclear weapon. They moved the red line and made it enrichment. Now that we bombed the enriched uranium and it's gone. Now the. The Israelis are saying, well, that actually wasn't good enough. If they can even get any trace amount of this uranium, we have to go in and get it again. The Israelis could care less about the uranium itself. They want us committed with boots on the ground. Because if we go in there with a very successful special operations mission and, you know, no one gets hurt, which would be my hope. If we end up doing it, then they're going to tell President Trump, look how easy it was. You're so good at this. This is just like Venezue. Let's just keep doing it until we can make the regime fall, because that's Israel's goal. But if we take losses, and I believe that we would, because Iran has shown a great deal of competency at defending their own borders, then the message would be, hey, we have to stay, we have to fight, because we've lost troops. This is a trap that I really want to ensure that President Trump does not walk us into.

Clayton Morris (13:55)

Do you believe that President Trump is fully in control, or is he acting as a puppet? That is to say, these people, these people that surround him, that are feeding him this information, the people that are being then marginalized and pushed out of the White House inner circle, Is he the one really running the show? I know there's people, certainly, I tend to agree with some of the guests that we've had on our show, that he is not in control. Even Tucker Carlson flew there multiple times, as you know, and was trying to convince him of stopping this. And he, Tucker, suggested that Trump was really. His hands were tied. His hands were tied by whom? It's pretty remarkable that his hands are tied. Do you get the sense that his hands are tied?

Joe Kent (14:36)

I understand where that mentality, that idea comes from. I mean, I've been around President Trump enough, and I have supported the man for long enough that everything he's doing right now with regards to this war in Iran seems very much out of characteristic. A big reason why I had to resign is because a lot of us who were against these types of actions, or at least wanted to offer him alternative courses of action, we were boxed out and we weren't allowed to really express our. And now the administration will come and say.

Clayton Morris (15:04)

Can you just say, clarify that? Because many of us have speculated as to who was boxing you out. How do you get boxed out of telling the President of the United states that we shouldn't go to war like you, Tulsi Gabbard and others. We should not do this. Who is boxing you out? Was it, can you name names?

Joe Kent (15:22)

At the end of the day, there just wasn't a lot of discussion in this last iteration. In the 12 day war and then in Midnight Hammer, there was a very deliberate national security process. There was a deputies committee process, there was, there was robust debate. As we moved closer and closer to this one, the key meetings just didn't happen. So it really wasn't a matter of like, no, you guys can't come in the room. It was a matter of, next thing you know, we literally are moving forces towards Iran and then the attack is launched. I think some of the pictures that were released the night of the actual operation where you had a small circle down there of President Trump and Mar A Lago and kind of everybody else back at the White House, I think those, those paint actually a pretty accurate picture. So the President should in. I believe that President Trump is still intelligent enough to make deliberate decisions. Now the question is, who does he have around him? I have found everything that's taken place basically since Midnight Hammer on to be out of characteristic for him. And I'm hoping the pushback that he's seeing from the MAGA base, from the people who elected him, who he has a very personal connection with, I'm hoping that he sees and feels that we are against this war and he reflects on why we're against the war and where we're at right now, because he knows we're not in a good spot. He knows what's taking place in the streets of Hormuz, the effects that's happening on the, the world energy market, the effect that's having here, the price of the pump. He knows that that is, that is a very bad thing. And, and so I think he needs to show all of us that he still very much is in control and he can do a very Trumpian move and he can flip the script, he can flip the table, he can restrain the Israelis, he can get the Iranians to the negotiating table. If I didn't think he still had that much agency, I'd be be saying so and I wouldn't be lobbying so hard. I still think he has the agency. I think he's gotten very, very bad advice. And this, the amount of influence from the Israel Lobby and how much influence they have over the media ecosystem and just the amount of access, frankly, that we've given to Israeli officials over the years.

Natalie (17:20)

Right. But it's really hard. I can understand it as an excuse for why President Trump would be the negative copy of what he promised on the campaign trail, which was the answer to the neocons. So maybe that's understandable. But I can accept it as an excuse when he has human lives in his control. And given how often Israeli Fed intelligence has been ill motivated and wrong, we can no longer offer that excuse. So what do we do with that? Intellectually, we have to draw the conclusion that he's either a puppet or he's a clone or he's. I mean, I'm going to all kinds of crazy places because this is exactly what he said on Inauguration Day. I will be remembered for the wars that we never get into.

Joe Kent (18:12)

Yeah, it's maddening, actually, if you think about it too much. You can kind of try. I definitely have had a lot of time to think and you sort of end up in this cycle of like, why is he doing this? For me right now, I'm focused on trying to snap him out of this, however you want to put it, so that he takes a hard look at where we're at and he realizes that he has the agency. And whatever pressure that he may feel that he's under internally inside the White House or in, like, the political world, there's still 77 million people who voted for in this country that gave him the popular vote in the electoral college. And if he flips the script right now, they're all going to have his back. The donors will be mad, the Israel lobby will be mad. But I think him understanding that he wanted an overwhelming landslide, he had the greatest comeback story ever. He can flip the script on this. As to why he's done this drastic 180, I don't fully know. I was there for a lot of it. And I think that the level of access and comfort we have, we've given the Israelis, I think that is probably the driving factor, factor behind why we're in this situation.

Clayton Morris (19:13)

So are you saying kind of categorically that Israel is running the show here?

Joe Kent (19:19)

They're at least in the lead? I mean, really, even if you listen to Marco Rubio's initial statements, and it took him several days to kind of walk this one back, and then, you know, you heard the president basically say, the president said it several times, we had to attack Iran because the Israelis are going to attack. And then, then we'd get attacked. So really, the Israelis drove this entire timeline. And I don't think that's even debatable just based on what the Key decision makers have said. And then also in terms of every time that President Trump attempts to move us to a place where we can negotiate, the Israelis come in and they kill negotiators, they kill members of the government. They specifically bomb the infrastructure that President Trump says that we're not going to bomb anymore, basically to show the Iranians that we're not negotiating in good faith or that it really doesn't matter what we say because the Israelis are just going to jump in and do whatever they want. And as much as the Israelis have gone against us publicly, we still have yet to restrain them in any meaningful way. I know there's been some reports here and there that, you know, the vice president or somebody else called and, like, yelled at Bibi. But until we actually take away some of the support that we're giving to the Israelis, their behavior will not change because they basically think that any, you know, kind of talking to that we give them is just hollow because it. Because it truly is. So, you know, it sounds bombastic when you say, oh, the Israelis are completely in control of this. But when you, you take just a step back and you look at the facts, how we got in the war, and then the pace of the war so far, the Israelis are really in the driver's seat. They're not our CO equal, they're not our ally. They are driving this entire war, unfortunately, and we're the ones that are paying for it. Which is even a bigger slap in the face.

Clayton Morris (20:59)

Do you think it's a good cop, bad cop play, though? The US Is. We know that this is going to happen. We know that they're going to bomb the infrastructure, the negotiators that we're trying to meet with, and we're just playing good cop while they play bad cop.

Joe Kent (21:12)

I think sometimes we tell ourselves that to make ourselves feel better, but I know for a fact that, like, in general, I've been in the military. I was in the military for 20 plus years. Americans, we try, we do everything we can not to bomb civilian infrastructure. And when we do, there's a process for it. We make sure that people are held accountable. We make sure that we don't do it again. So us going to war with a partner like the Israelis and not knowing how they're going to fight, I just think is ridiculous. We know how they're going to fight. The problem is we lack the will to actually restrain them. And so we might tell ourselves, like, okay, yeah, we'll let the Israelis play a little bit rough because we won't play a little bit rough, but at the end of the day, when the Israelis playing a little bit rough or conducting war, how they conduct it, if that stands in the way of our strategic objectives, then again, I'm back to like, what are we even doing here? This was some of my frustrations. I could kind of care less about what religion the government of Israel is or any of that type of stuff. The foreign government driving the way that we fight our war and how we fight our war and being the deciding factor in whether or not we go to war. You know, that's my major issue, given

Natalie (22:17)

your title as counter terrorism. If there is a foreign nation using any influence against our leaders to exact and means to an end.

Clayton Morris (22:31)

Right.

Natalie (22:32)

That's kind of terrorism. Right. And so it would seem to me that our war is being led by terrorists and we are the least out guns for them. Has anyone ever. Have you ever seen someone say, this blackmail is terrorism or this influence is terrorism?

Joe Kent (22:55)

Many of us have definitely pointed out that it's a counterintelligence issue, that the Israelis just have way too much access to our innermost secrets. They are able to influence our decision makers way more than they should be able to. The how the. The. The political world bleeds over into the intelligence world and how much access the Israelis have bought that. That is brought up quite a bit within the intelligence community. Now, usually you're told to be quiet and don't talk about that. And you can. You can talk about it with, like, the guys you know that feel the same way you do. It's. It's one of those, like, almost open secrets where, like, most people won't say it, but if you say it, most people. Most people in the intelligence community are like, oh, yeah, yeah, we, yeah, we got it. This is a. We're kind of getting hosed here by the Israelis, and this is a ridiculous relationship.

Natalie (23:37)

So then let's pretend that we're really worried about Assad, when really it's Netanyahu. That's maddening because I am far less worried about what's happening in, say, Yemen than I am about the influence of the Israeli government, given where we are right now. And so clearly there are colleagues amongst you who felt that way too and were. Were constrained despite the best intentions.

Joe Kent (24:04)

Yeah. For decades. I mean, really, I had a mentor probably 20 plus years ago who told me, like, don't trust the Israelis. And I was like, oh, that's weird. Why? I thought the Israelis were like, our best friends. So this has been well known for a very long Time, again, the Israelis, just the way that they've been able to entrench themselves, obviously through money, through the media, and then just the amount of influence that we give them because they are a competent intelligence service, that's another part of it. Like, the Middle east is hard. It's hard for Americans to operate in the Middle East. And the Israelis, in many ways, became almost the easy button for intelligence collection because they're from the region, they speak the languages, they will feed us intelligence. And a lot of us who spend a lot of time in the Middle east, we would eventually start looking at some of this intelligence and say, like, man, probably about half of this is good. The other half of it is definitely trying to influence our decision making, so we should be wary of it. But it takes a long time to. To kind of come to those conclusions. And so, again, just the amount of influence the Israelis have, I mean, that is. That is a major issue that we have to address to get the sovereignty of our nation back.

Clayton Morris (25:02)

Yeah, I mean, we've spoken to CIA whistleblowers who said that it was well known within the CIA that you never meet with the Israelis in CIA headquarters or a CIA building. It always has to be an off site because we can't trust them at all. Those aren't my words. That's from the CIA. Joe, I want to ask you about President Trump and the rumors or the suggestion that the Iranians were trying to assassinate him. According to sources we've spoken to, there's no evidence of that. He has been fed that information. And I guess, where did that information come from? Did it come from Israel? And did you see at your time, looking at this intelligence that there was any Iranian cell that was trying to assassinate President Trump? He seems to believe that this one's

Joe Kent (25:46)

a bit complicated because after Trump ordered the assassination of Qasem Solmani, we killed Somani. The Iranians publicly said, hey, we're going to avenge for. We're gonna. We're gonna get revenge for Qasem Soleimani. So they basically put out a hit on a series of U.S. officials who were in power at the time to include President Trump. And. And the Iranians did lots of, I would say, threatening online about going after President Trump. There was one individual so far that we. We've caught who was in communication with the Israelis, a guy named Asif Merchant. He was just sentenced recently. He came to America. He was, as far as I know, he was indeed contacted in some way sh. The Iranians. He came here with the intention of killing President Trump, he, obviously, we. We heard that he was coming here, so the FBI was all over this guy. They threw a confidential source at him, and together the two of them planned a sniper assassination against President Trump. They arrest Merchant, and then two days later, Crooks tries to shoot President Trump. So my, My question has always been been, did we find any linkage between Merchant and between Crooks? The FBI was very guarded about that and didn't want, in my, in my view, did not want to run down all the possible links between Crooks and between Merchant, which is odd because Trump has been led to believe that Iran took a shot at him in Butler. And so far there's. There's actually no proof of that. And I think we should, we should, we should answer that question once and for all. Was anyone that Merchant was dealing with, were they at all linked to. To Crooks or to Butler? Because everything around Crooks has been kind of an enigma. Initially, he got killed and he had no online presence. We couldn't find out anything about him. But then, almost two years later, Tucker's. Tucker Carlson's investigative journalist finds Thomas Crooks's online Persona, and he's communicating with people overseas. There's obviously a lot more investigative research that needs to be done there.

Clayton Morris (27:47)

Right, and did you get any pushback on trying to get the answers to that, or, Or.

Joe Kent (27:52)

Yeah, yeah, quite a bit. I mean, it was basically just like, no, case closed. There's nothing to see here. Crooks is dead. We, we talked about getting into his devices. At first we heard his devices were locked, and then obviously Tucker found what he found. So there was obviously a lot online for us to look at. And again, if, if, if we've. I mean, President Trump has been led to believe that Iran tried to kill him at some point. I'm assuming it's there in, In Butler. We should see if there's any linkage between Merchant. That plot that the FBI seemed to have under pretty tight lock and key that we do believe came from the Iranians and what took place in Butler.

Natalie (28:29)

I've watched a lot of your interviews in the last few days, and it seems to me like you have very legitimate questions aligned with the questions we've been asking for about a year now. And the government treats you like a toddler. Like, no, honey, you can't put the key in the outlet. Come over here and play with these blocks instead. So there's gotta be something in. They did let you do, because there's definitely something in what you weren't allowed to do. What were they encouraging you to do then

Joe Kent (28:59)

I mean, really like just basic counterterrorism work. Which, which is fine. We need to do counterterrorism work. We have a lot of counterterrorism threats. Obviously, what's taking place in Syria has made quite the opportunity for ISIS or some version of ISIS to reconstitute same thing. Yemen out in the eastern part of Yemen. Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula is back and active southern border. We had a lot of threats there as well. The Biden administration had four years of open borders. So one of the biggest lifts that we had was trying to figure out who came into our country. Over the last four years. I publicly testified that we had identified around 18,000 known suspected terrorists who had potentially gained access to America under the previous administration. And so we were working diligently with DHS and ICE to attempt to run down all those people. But the more we dug into the information about what took place in the previous four years, the more I realized that almost all the. The bookkeeping was pretty incomplete, and we just simply didn't have any idea who was. Who was in our country. So I think we're. We kind of have the perfect storm. There's a lot of potential right now for chaos within our own borders because of the open borders policy of the previous administration.

Clayton Morris (30:04)

So I want to ask.

Natalie (30:04)

I just want to say if that came off condescending at all, I didn't mean it. I. I meant you were asking legitimate questions and being shut down. I. I didn't mean to fantastic your work at all.

Joe Kent (30:15)

I certainly felt that way some days, so I totally get it.

Natalie (30:17)

Okay. Okay. I don't mean to condescend sometimes.

Clayton Morris (30:20)

No, it's a great question. I mean, I was, you know, thinking that same thing. When you have. You're not invited to certain meetings or meetings are taking place and they don't want you there because you, You. You're the. You know, you guys are the dissenting voice and all of that. It seems appropriate that they would say, hey, just focus on domestic terrorism. That's why you're here. Don't ask questions about Iran. Don't ask questions about Israel. When you left, did you get. Did you talk to. I mean, to tell about personal conversations, But Tulsi Gabbard, there was quite a call online for her to resign in protest as well. I don't know if you've spoken about that. Have you spoken to her about that? But what's your sense of the Internet's response to Tulsi Gabbard still being in that position?

Joe Kent (31:02)

Tulsi's a friend, and I think people who have supported Tulsi in the past. She's still attempting to do all the right things. She is. She's doing the best that she can. She's not. She's. It's a hard job that she has. Overseeing all the intelligence community does not make you popular any day in Washington, D.C. the very role of the Director of National Intelligence, you're kind of looking over everyone's shoulder and checking their homework. And frequently that leads to just a lot of what I think is healthy tension. There should be these. These healthy debates. So, you know, look, D. And I. Gabbard, I think, is working hard behind the scenes. And if. If people knew what she was, what she was attempting to accomplish, I think they'd be proud to support her.

Clayton Morris (31:41)

Still seems they weren't listening to him. She's testified before Congress that Iran was not constituting nuclear weapons, that the assessment of the intelligence agencies. And that just fell on deaf ears by not only Congress, but it seems like the administration that she works for. No.

Joe Kent (31:59)

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, the president has the prerogative. He can make whatever decision he wants to make. And this is a big reason why I had to leave, because as I said in my resignation letter, like, Iran did not pose an imminent threat to us. Iran has done bad things in the past. I've fought Iranian proxies, spent a lot of time it. I have no problem doing that. However, in terms of us getting involved in another regime change war, when Iran was actively at the negotiating table, when President Trump and the Iranians agreed on a starting point, and the Iranians had really strictly observed an escalatory ladder to not attack us for the first, basically over a year of the president's administration, or right around a year of the president's administration, I thought we were in a good spot to do that. But the fact that we had this agenda come in which wasn't based on intelligence, it was based on what the Israelis wanted. That's where I had to part ways because I didn't want. I did not want to be a part of that anymore.

Clayton Morris (32:49)

Well, you've been a big focus. You're certainly a big focus in our chat room right now. Many people say, I love this guy. Others saying, Joe is a psyop. So we're going to get to the. We're going to get to the bottom of all of that. Whitney Webb clarifying her comments about you today. So I want to. Let's just be an open book here. We're going to get to all of that. We're not afraid to ask questions here. So we're going to do that. We're going to get some water, take a little quick break here. We're to going come back with Joe Kent who's been kind enough to spend the hour with us to dive deep into all of these latest stories and of course the impending US boots on the ground catastrophic escalation that we're watching. But first, think. Dr. Squatch is some small wholesome company. Burt's Bees, native, all of those. Think again. They've all been bought out by mega corporations and private equity firms who hijack these beloved brands, fill them with the same corporate slop as everyone else. But one company is doing things differently. The Van man company. They started the tallow trend, the beef tallow trend a few years back with their grass fed beef tallow moisturizers. They've been crushing it ever since with hit after hit of clean, nearly edible solutions to your everyday products. It's actually amazing. Your body actually recognizes it. One use and you're going to feel the difference. Your skin will be softer, smoother. Anything that you've ever gotten out of a bottle full of chemistry, chemicals and fillers in the past. There's no filler. Garbage. And a little goes a long way. The stuff actually lasts. Tal we live here in Colorado. It is incredibly dry. So I use it. I get out of the shower after a shave, I throw some of this beef tallow on my face. Yep. And all the animals in the neighborhood come running. That's not true. But my wife does. It's even better than Neosporin and diaper balm. I'm telling you. It's powerful enough to heal the the skin, yet safe enough to spread on your toast. That's right. Real ingredients from our friends at Van Man. And by the way, they sponsor the show. But I am a customer. I buy their stuff on a regular basis and they use shop. So I get the little notification when they ship it to our house. So I have it shipped. I buy it myself. They don't send me free stuff. I buy it myself. And that is to check it out, go to Vanman Shop. Redacted news. Use code redacted news for 15% off your first order. That is vanman.shop slash redacted news. Use the code redacted news for 15% off your first order. We'll have links in the description. All right. Is Joe Kent controlled opposition? Is his resignation part of a deeper state plan to basically have Peter Thiel, his Palantir buddies running the show, install JD Vance as. As President of the United States under the auspices that we are anti war. But then we get to usher in a surveillance state which controls all of us. That's what Katherine Austin Fitz believes. Not the Joe Kent piece of the story, but she believes that that is the goal. That is the multi stage goal, and that President Trump is merely a puppet in this entire game. So Joe Kent is back with us now to talk all about that. So let's just take these piece by piece. Joe, and obviously you've been. When a lot of people, I think when you popped up and offered your resignation letter. There are a lot of people who've watched the intelligence community for years, people who've been former members of the military who've said, this is a psyop. Because suddenly when someone comes riding in on a white horse, pops up out of nowhere with a resignation letter to support your position, people sort of rally around this guy. Joe is now while the savior.

Natalie (36:15)

Well, let's point out this is your second time on Redacted, so you're not out of nowhere.

Clayton Morris (36:19)

No, no, I'm saying. Yeah, but suddenly we get to hear from Joe in protest of the Iranian war. And for a lot of people, that was like, oh, this is the salve to the MAGA problem right now. Like, we do not want boots on the ground. Joe is the guy. How do you respond to the psyop piece of this?

Joe Kent (36:37)

I think people should stay skeptical. I appreciate that, actually. I mean, we're in an era of. Of, you know, deception, unfortunately. So I get it. I think if people observe me and they've known me for. For a couple years now, they'll. They'll see that that's just simply not the case. Took a, you know, a fair amount of risk, I think, coming out the way I did. So, yeah, that's kind of all I can say. I haven't read too many of the. The conspiracies, but I totally understand the skepticism. I think it's healthy and good.

Natalie (37:04)

I mean, if I were going to run an extension of the neocon movement, I probably would do something like this. You are. You have a very impressive resume.

Clayton Morris (37:18)

Serve your country.

Natalie (37:18)

Yes, you are well spoken. You know, Clayton gets a little jealous, but you're a handsome dude. You can take to the campaign drill. I'm sorry, honey.

Clayton Morris (37:28)

I can handle it.

Natalie (37:29)

And so I'm sure we have seen people of that ilk put into this role for a specific purpose. So you can't blame people People for seeing it this way, right?

Joe Kent (37:42)

Not at all. No. I mean again, I think people questioning everything is, is good. Please, please do dig into people's finances too. I mean that's a big thing. If I ran for office twice before, unsuccessfully, I think if people look at, you know, where I got my funding for, for those two runs, they'll kind of see that I, I was supported by mostly small dollar donor. I think almost all small dollar donors. So yeah, I think the skepticism I think is good though. I know no pushback on skepticism.

Natalie (38:09)

Do you have continued political aspirations? Will you run again?

Joe Kent (38:14)

No. I mean I've ran for Congress unsuccessfully twice. I hate asking people for money. My least favorite thing in the world if I felt, if I felt called to do it, I guess I just don't know, it would have to be something. I guess not because I moved states again. So I don't think I'd run for the House or the Senate. I think my, the, the best service I can do right now is stay focused on, on this, this issue because I can provide a lot of insight and clarity and I do think there's an ever growing movement of folks on the left and on the right. You, you have a lot of them on, on your show who are anti war, who want foreign influence out of our government, who want to get the deep state under control. I can support presidents in that, in that role. I think we need people that understand how the IC works that can go in day one in the government and actually, you know, force the people's will on the IC on the military industrial complex that' prefer to serve running for office. I'm glad I did it, but it is not a fun experience. I would much rather fight kind of in the, in the national security realm.

Natalie (39:13)

Okay. But I'm going to call you back. If I see your name in one of those APAC trucker Congress type things, then we're going to, we're going to revisit this conversation. Yeah.

Joe Kent (39:23)

Yeah. When I, when I ran for Congress I had, I mean people can look it up. I had folks donate in APAC's name. So I think I had a couple thousand from something that was AIPAC affiliated and like I'm not like super anti Israel either. Like I'm anti Israel directing our foreign policy. So I talked to Republican Jewish groups, those types of things. But yeah, I. Seeing how AIPAC gets their hooks into people, I would definitely resist all that if I ever did end up running again.

Clayton Morris (39:51)

So I want to bring, I want to. I mentioned Whitney Webb friend of the show. Whitney Webb, one of the best investigative journalists I think in the world. She was on Jimmy Dore show. I think the other day she, she said she wasn't really prepared for the question about J. Joe Kent. And so she came out today and clarified what she said. And to be clear, I don't think she said that she. In that interview, no.

Natalie (40:15)

She said you have to be skeptical. We don't know what the conflicts are and this is a playbook that would be clever for an extension of the neocons and sort of the way I asked the question.

Clayton Morris (40:26)

So she responded today and kind of put this out here and I want to take it. She says I got a lot of shit for saying why I don't trust the Joe Kent trajectory and why I was obviously put on the spot about it. Could have had been more articulate. I think the points I brought up are very reasonable. If the counterterror spook resigns to amplify rhetoric, even if it's mostly accurate. And then the current administration defines as indicative of domestic terrorism. And that spook was previously also funded by Peter Thiel, the co founder and chairman of the intelligence intelligence contractor working to establish domestic terror pre crime in the United States. I think it's fair to be skeptical of him. Of course. The Peter Thiel palantir concerns Joe, are at the heart of this, right. That we need to separate ourselves from what's going on with Iran. But now we need the technate in the United States part of this greater North American project that Pete Hegseth today announced, which I couldn't believe he announced it. So we're gonna take control of North America essentially. We need this massive surveillance state control through central bank digital currencies, a digital id and that maybe, perhaps Joe Kent is at the heart of this Peter Thiel technate Palantir surveillance state. What do you say about the Palantir Peter Thiel connection?

Joe Kent (41:39)

Peter? So when I ran for Congress, I think Peter Thiel donated to my campaign in 2022, but it was a direct donation to my campaign. So it couldn't have been more than I think just shy of $6,000. And he didn't donate to me again when I ran the second time. And then I, I didn't get any Peter Thiel super PAC money. So like Peter Thiel funding me, people can look that up, obviously check everything. I'm saying the money's just not there unless you're talking about something that was less than $6,000 four years ago. So I, but again I, I Appreciate the skepticism. I think, I think that's good and I think that's healthy. But yeah, I don't, I don't really have much relationship with, with Peter Thiel. I mean, being in the government for, as I, I've used Palantir for, for quite some time. And Palantir is coming up with like some impressive AI stuff now. I don't think it should be used here on American citizens. And I think we have to be wary in times of, of conflict, in times of war, it's really easy for our civil liberties to be eroded. And with how fast the technology moves nowadays, we should be on guard and we should be aware from that, of that and we should, we should fight that with everything that we can.

Clayton Morris (42:45)

So did you fight? I just want to follow up on that. So that's very important. And as Whitney Webb continued in her piece, she said Trump previously considered making a pre crime program using AI to flag the social media accounts of Americans who displayed warning signs of violence or mental illness. Its main advocate was Jared Kushner. So within the administration, you were in the administration, was there pushback against this Palantir surveillance of the United States from internally, or was it pretty quiet?

Guest Analyst (43:14)

It.

Joe Kent (43:15)

A lot of pushback internally? There was a lot of pushback. I mean, yeah, there's, there's a lot of advocates for civil liberties, and I think there was some pretty healthy debates going on about that. I, I didn't, I don't think that, that, that concept is being advanced to my knowledge now again, wars and the way things are accelerating. But there was definitely folks who, who I think in the administration would support something like that. Yeah. So again, this is where I think we need people to pay attention. So I appreciate Whitney Webb's scrutiny and calling attention to it.

Natalie (43:48)

Something that Israeli leaders have said many times is that the freedom of speech clause in our Constitution is a problem inside America, that unrestricted social media is a problem. They are the only ally who has dared to tell us how to live. Can you imagine even Zelensky, in all of his idiotic hubris, would not dare to try to shut down opposition to supporting Ukraine? And then on cue, we see President Trump releasing expanding definitions of domestic terrorism, which there really cannot be a domestic terrorist because that means anyone who speaks against the government can't. But the Trump administration uses that term a lot and it gives me a lot of, of heart ache because we are supposed to be completely free to criticize the government. And so you're saying there was pushback at surveillance, but that term at all. Is that something that is being codified in intelligence against Americans?

Joe Kent (44:53)

The term domestic terrorist? Yeah, domestic terrorism.

Natalie (44:55)

I mean it's in press releases, it's everywhere. We're not really supposed to have that. That's not really a thing.

Joe Kent (45:02)

I don't. Yeah, I think it, as far as I know that term preexist even President Trump. And again, I agree with the skepticism of it and I think because of the violence coming from antifa, etc. There was some, there was a desire by this administration to tackle that head on. But anytime you start using the tools of the intelligence community against domestic targets, you run into some major issues legally, rightfully so. So yeah, again, I think this is something where we need a lot of people to be engaged and to take notice and to check what the government's doing and not trust the government.

Natalie (45:37)

If I may take that a step further, right wing anti Semites, anyone has been now included. Not just antifa and antifa is committing crimes. Right. And a crime is a crime and the motivation behind a crime should not matter because the crime matters.

Clayton Morris (45:58)

It's like a idea of a hate crime, doesn't it?

Natalie (45:59)

Right, A hate crime. So this idea that now this is thought policing and you can define the ADL defines anti Semitism as hearing problematic. Com comments about Israel that clearly is not anti Semitism, but because they can expand that definition that gives them the right to survey and shut down legitimate criticism of the government. And so again, it's, you're right that the Biden administration used domestic terrorism, but the, the Trump administration uses it quite a lot in a way that I said, like I said, it's quite worrying because we are free to feel however the f we like.

Joe Kent (46:39)

Exactly. And we've already seen the, the pro Israel lobby basically say that what I'm saying right now that we should question the amount of influence Israel has over our own government in terms of our foreign policy, that that's anti Semitism and that falls under, you know, hate speech. And that will limit your First Amendment. We've, we've seen that, that push, you know, in the public sphere and then also like it's, it's happening behind closed do. This goes back to just how much influence the Israeli lobby has over our country at the end of the day, like they're a foreign country. They're a foreign country. They have their own agendas. They also for as similar to us as they feel, they do have a different way that they view things like free speech. And we just have to acknowledge that and separate ourselves from them and from their influence.

Clayton Morris (47:20)

Yeah, it goes back to George W. Bush. I mean, this idea of war, war on domestic terrorism. Right. It's a. And both parties love it because it takes away our freedoms. And that's exactly where we're moving. Katherine Austin Fitts just made a statement today, I believe, and she said Trump is basically finishing a decades long plan to turn America into a mass surveillance police state. I wanna ask you about that in a second. Whether you see actual evidence for that inside the Trump administration to what she's saying. She thinks Trump was chosen by the New York Fed members basically as bank bankers to get this control grid. She's really outlined the control grid deeply when she's been on Tucker's show and others. But here she is on her own show.

Guest Analyst (48:03)

Listen, so let's look at the control grid. There are three general baskets of what you need to do. The first is programmable money, the second is digital id. To do programmable money you require digital id. And then the third is you need the hardware and the software infrastructure, infrastructure to do the social credit system and surveillance that you need to do those two things. And so you need all the data centers is the big one. But you also need surveillance infrastructure and enforcement infrastructure to back it. So how do you persuade, how do you persuade conservatives and people in the heartland to embrace building that infrastructure? The way you do it is you say, oh, we have election fraud or oh, we have an immigration problem and so we need a digital ID to identify who everybody is so we can't have fraud.

Clayton Morris (48:59)

Now what do you think about that sort of Trojan horse approach that that's how the conservatives who live in the heartland, so forth, that's how you usher in this mass surveillance state. A or 1:1. Did you see this push for this mass surveillance inside the administration? I know you said that there's pushback back on it, healthy debate and conversation, but was there a really concerted effort either by Jared Kushner, that kind of group? And two, do you agree with that approach that that's how you really get people to fall for it? The conservatives?

Joe Kent (49:32)

It's hard to argue for logic. What I saw from the inside, especially in the topic of immigration, we know that we had an immigration crisis under Biden and so a problem that we constantly had was, hey, the bookkeeping was so bad, how do we go and make sure we're talk targeting the right illegals and how do we find the illegals? A big limitation. I know a lot of the MAGA base is frustrated with how low like A lot of the deportation numbers are. A problem we had was that we did have to follow civil liberties. And so I didn't see a concerted effort. From my vantage point where I was now, again, these guys kind of knew who I was, so maybe I just didn't get invited to the meeting, but I saw. I didn't see any concerted action effort to do what she's describing. The way she lays it out, though, it's completely logical and it makes sense to me. I just didn't see any of that being done.

Clayton Morris (50:24)

Even with, like, the Peter thiel influence with J.D. vance and the amounts of money on the Palantir side within the administration, like open meetings at the White House with these guys who are deeply involved in this plan. It just. I find that that, to me, is like a number one troubling for me. This AI control of the United States and handing over our civil liberties to these people, to these technocratic clowns, it just. It terrifies me. I mean, I'll just. I'll be emotional about it, but, you know, you see these meetings and Peter Thiel coming to the White House or Alex Karp and these guys, and basically, is Trump just a puppet for these people, these technocrats?

Joe Kent (51:04)

I wasn't privy to any of those meetings. I think with any kind of tool that we give the government, though, though we do have to have oversight and we have to basically have healthy skepticism. FISA always gets constantly debated, and FISA is one of those things that has been used to violate American Civil Liberties. FISA, 702, et cetera. But at the end of the day, the government has a lot of these powers, and so you have to have oversight of the government, and you actually have to hold people accountable. I think that's one of the biggest problems that we run into, is we think Congress will pass a law that will prevent the NSA from spying on Americans, for instance, or something like that. And we think the law will be our savior when, at the end of the day, unless we actually hold people accountable when they do abuse these very powerful tools that the American people have given our government, nothing will ever change. So I think the constant oversight and the vigilance from the American people I think is critical. But, yeah, unfortunately, I didn't see any of those. I know those meetings happen just like you do, but I wasn't a part of any those.

Natalie (52:06)

Can I just ask you, before we let you go, we're going to circle back around to what you have done, the resignation and what it cost your family, because the spotlight has got to be quite hot. And what that discussion probably looked like with you and your wife. Clayton and I have had something similar when we left mainstream media. It's painful and it's hard, but once you're through the looking glass, it's a little easier on the side. Other, the other side. And are. Have you heard rumblings, without naming names of people who said I would do the same, but. Or maybe I should or something to that effect? Will we see more of this?

Joe Kent (52:46)

I don't know if we'll see more, but I've definitely heard, you know, former colleagues, you know, text me, call me and say, hey, they, they would like to do the same thing, you know, but at the end of the day, people have mortgages to pay and kids to feed, et cetera. There's a lot of people who simply just, just can't legitimately keep the lights on and walk away from their, their job. So I'm blessed in that regard that I, you know, my wife and I both have military pensions. We could kind of walk. But yeah, having the support from my, my wife, my parents, my extended family, that's been key. It was, it was, it was like you said, it was a tough decision to make. But once I made the decision, actually felt really good and I felt like a lot of clarity, more clarity than I had felt in several months. So it's, it's definitely been a wild ride, but I'm confident I made the best decision.

Clayton Morris (53:29)

I want to ask you sort of a UFO related question. And we've seen now six scientists that have gone missing. Several scientists, military personnel working in plasma physics, advanced heat resistant materials, magnetism, Doctors, director of MIT's Plasma Science Fusion Science Center. I know from sources that in Special Forces that this plasma technology was found accidentally after a downed uap. That's how we obtained this advanced plasma technology. China has also scientists that have gone missing. Brandon Weickert reported earlier today. He said this isn't about aliens. I mean, that's where the tech came from initially. This is not about aliens. But China and the United States are playing this very dangerous game right now of basically missing each other's scientists. Can you talk about that on the US Side specifically? I know it sounds a little out there, but they're missing, they're gone. And they were working on this advanced technology. And China has now missing scientists as well who are also working on this advanced technology.

Joe Kent (54:42)

I don't have any insider knowledge about that. I mean, I think I was pretty narrowly focused on the Middle east, terrorism, those types of things I think Brandon, what I think Brandon said, though, is the most likely. To be honest, it's pretty well documented that countries will take out each other's key leaders, will try and take out the brains again. You saw the Israelis do this really effectively in Iran, you know, about 10 years ago when they killed off a lot of the nuclear scientists. So I think what, what Brandon is talking about is probably closer to the truth than, than anything else. But honestly, I, unfortunately, I can't give you too much good insight on the, on the, that case.

Clayton Morris (55:19)

No, not even presidents of the United States are apparently on a need to know basis with this. It's unbelievable. Joe, thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate it. I know obviously some difficult questions here, but this is, at the heart of it is the most important, which is US Troops could be sitting ducks and cannon fodder right now at the heart of all of this. So that seems to be what we're barreling towards. So thank you for speaking out on that and your bravery on that and trying to prevent this mass slaughter of American forces doing the bidding of Israel in the Middle East. So at the heart of it, that's.

Natalie (55:55)

And refer yourself to his X account. Call your representatives, do what we can. We have these, you know, we're the adults here. These young kids, their lives are in our hands collectively.

Clayton Morris (56:06)

Yeah. Joe, thank you. Appreciate your time.

Joe Kent (56:10)

Thank you, guys. Great to see you.

Natalie (56:11)

You too.

Clayton Morris (56:13)

All right, let's. We got a lot of super chats coming, a lot of different thoughts, you know.

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Clayton Morris (57:54)

So Harry in our chat says Joe is not perfect, but he's doing the best that he can. Other people saying love Joe. Other people saying Joe's a psyop. There's a lot. A lot of discussion.

Natalie (58:05)

We literally asked him. But you're free to.

Clayton Morris (58:07)

Well, this was earlier.

Joe Kent (58:08)

Earlier.

Clayton Morris (58:10)

So here's a good question. GDNPD says we know Iran is hitting the entire Middle east with drones. So how do you protect troops on or inside their border? All nonsense. All nonsense. Brad Gilbert says anyone who says chump is trying for we the people is either stupid or a psyop. Chump has always been playing against us. Chump is the psyop. Well, that's what Catherine Austin Fitz believes that he's just being used as a puppet. He was installed because of these bankers. Referring to Mark Levin, Gary Hardy Incorporated says, how can anyone listen to someone who's never served? 17 million of us us have served. Levin shut up. I feel like I know.

Natalie (58:54)

He's so weasely and distasteful. I try. I'm like, what? What's he trying to say? Nope, I'm done. I can't take. I can't take more than three minutes. Him and Shapiro.

Clayton Morris (59:03)

Proof says rumble rant. I'd like to know where Mark Levin studied military tactics and strategy. Or perhaps he has extensive combat experience to base his opinions on. Fix bayonets, Mark. Lead by example. Oh, I would love Mark to go out.

Joe Kent (59:16)

Yeah.

Clayton Morris (59:16)

Can you imagine that old troll in the. On a battlefield. Oh, my God. Koville said this about. I guess Joe. Ken. There's Flynn's guy. My favorite current scop, Joe Kent. Keep up the good work, sir. The people are awakening to how the United States was controlled for 100 years. What? You WWG1 WGA. I. I forget. I'm bad with the acronyms. What does that mean, Philip? Does anyone know?

Natalie (59:43)

I would.

Joe Kent (59:45)

No.

Clayton Morris (59:45)

No idea.

Joe Kent (59:46)

What. What was the. What was the acronym?

Clayton Morris (59:47)

I'll put. Let me Put it back up on the screen. WWG1. WGA. What would. What. What's good for? Does anyone know what that it means?

Natalie (59:57)

I mean, I could Google it.

Clayton Morris (59:59)

Yeah, I don't know. I guess we could Google it.

Natalie (60:01)

Where?

Joe Kent (60:01)

One go one.

Clayton Morris (60:02)

One go all. Okay.

Guest Analyst (60:04)

I don't know.

Clayton Morris (60:05)

All right, that's. That's just my. My guess.

Joe Kent (60:08)

I'm not sure of that one.

Clayton Morris (60:09)

Jinham, stone face says don't have your troops in range. That's one way to avoid casualties. Exactly. Which I've been saying for months, get our men and women out of the freaking Middle East. We do not need 50,000 plus soldiers in the Middle east sitting ducks like cannon fodder that the Biden administration admitted it was only a matter of time when they would be killed, when they would be attacked. Right, so thoughts. Thoughts on the Joe Kent discussion?

Natalie (60:36)

Me?

Clayton Morris (60:36)

Yes, you.

Natalie (60:37)

Or the chat you. I mean, I. I quite like him. You know, it seems like he was willing to answer questions about his past funding and I mean, I guess as a journalist, it doesn't matter what I like. Right. But I accept his answers as valid.

Clayton Morris (60:53)

Yeah.

Natalie (60:53)

Yeah.

Clayton Morris (60:55)

Well, I mean, and I, I appreciated his. Hate being skeptical, you know, and I asked him about Whitney Webb's context and Katherine Austin Fitz. He said, I like Whitney. And yeah, read her work and you know, and she. I'm glad that she's skeptical, but.

Natalie (61:10)

And, and again, he's allowing for this not to be the final answer on this. So maybe we will see something that we don't like. And he's encouraging us to keep looking. Okay, that's valid, right? And I don't know, in this, in this day and age, like David was saying, I need to get off X because I think I like these people. And then they say something and you're like, I don't like that person anymore. So we can't really attach to brands right now. We are aligned with Joe Kent on not being in the war with Iran. And that's where we've got to be right now, in the here and now.

Clayton Morris (61:36)

Well, that's why I ended it that way. Because at the heart of it, regardless of how you feel about Joe Kent and what other pieces of this story and all of it I said at the end, Joe's message today was no U.S. boots on the ground. Stop this. Stop, stop it. And that to me trumps really everything else with this war right now.

Natalie (61:56)

Yeah.

Clayton Morris (61:57)

But at the heart, you know, it's worthwhile asking questions like, well, why, why now? Why did Joe just come out right now? Right before the war. Like, what about this surveillance state? It was fascinating to hear his take on inside the administration. There's a really big pushback from people that do not want us to lose our civil liberties.

Natalie (62:15)

Yeah, I was fascinated to hear that too. And, yeah, pleasantly surprised. So let us know what you think of all of that.

Clayton Morris (62:22)

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Natalie (63:04)

My final thoughts.

Clayton Morris (63:06)

Big gulp, huh?

Natalie (63:07)

No. War with Iran. Yeah. War is based on a lie.

Clayton Morris (63:11)

Yes.

Natalie (63:12)

It's. That's bullshit. Is my final.

Clayton Morris (63:16)

Okay, that's a good final word.

Natalie (63:17)

Yeah. The war is.

Clayton Morris (63:19)

Thank you.

Natalie (63:20)

You're welcome. Do you. Will you sum it up, Mr. Erudite War?

Clayton Morris (63:26)

What is it good for?

Joe Kent (63:28)

Absolutely nothing.

Clayton Morris (63:30)

I'll say it again.

Joe Kent (63:32)

Oh, good. Thank God, y'.

Clayton Morris (63:33)

All.

Natalie (63:33)

Okay, goodbye.

Clayton Morris (63:34)

See you. See you. Bye, everybody.

Joe Kent (63:37)

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