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Clayton Morris
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Natalie
What are they hiding from you? What is the mainstream narrative they'd like you to believe? Welcome to Redacted with Natalie and Clayton Morris. On this show, we help to break down the propaganda to bring you the truth behind the news. Live from the Rocky Mountains, let's get started. Grover is in the studio today hanging out with us because it is kind of a frigid day here in the Rocky Mountains. So good to see all of you guys here. It is primary day in Kentucky. All eyes on this race because it really, to us is a bellwether of how democracy continues to move forward or go backwards. Will an election of Thomas Massie in the primary against Ed Galrane, you know, support the people's voice in Kentucky, the people who are anti war, the people who don't want the government spending or sending billions of dollars into Israel or
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Clayton Morris
does the donor class win? Right, exactly that. We're gonna talk about that and the fight for the right as well. We're gonna talk about online troll farms that have been launched in Israel. So, you know, if someone comes for you because you're upset about, oh, say the devastation in Lebanon, the cleansing of the west bank, well, there's a place you can go for talking points if you want to be a pro Zionist. And that troll farm, has it closed? Actually, 10 years ago. Now it's back open again. Vaccine mandates upheld by the Supreme Court. They can do it again, based on preferences. And then who's our guest last? Clayton.
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Natalie
And our last guest is Chris Todd because we're going to be talking about Mark Fuhrman, one of the worst detectives in LAPD history and some bombshell revelations that could have only been revealed after his death. Of course, he died yesterday. We're going to speak to a journalist who literally has the discovery files, has mountains of documents and has been sitting on this just waiting to be able to share because of, you know, statute of limitations and all of that. So we're going to speak with Chris a little bit later in the show about Mark Fuhrman, famously of the O.J. simpson trial.
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Clayton Morris
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Chris Todd
You know, just in case I lose,
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Thomas Massie
they gave me the number to call to concede.
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Natalie
The area code is Tel Aviv though.
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Clayton Morris
All right, and if you weren't already convinced that this is all about Israel, here is Israeli newspaper Haaretz. This is their front page today. Conceding the fact that this is a big race for Israel. The stakes are high for Israel because if somebody who speaks against the wealthy donor class can still win, that weakens their power quite clearly. Here is CBS News run by Zionist Bari Weiss and the reporter here asking him about his refusal to accept except foreign money. Now watch when he says I reject all foreign aid, the reporter says, but Israel. I mean, they don't even pretend that they care about any other place but Israel. And then they go on with the ever so predictable. Are you anti Semitic?
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Natalie
Watch when you say they, that they spent money to try to buy this. Who are you talking about specifically?
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Thomas Massie
I'm talking about the Israeli lobby, aipac, Republican Jewish Coalition, Miriam Adelson, Paul Singer and John Paulson. These are the groups that have given 95% of the money to my opponent because they're mad at me over foreign policy. Now what's interesting is my policy has always been no country is special and no country deserves my constituents taxpayer dollars. So I have never voted for foreign aid to Egypt, to Syria, to Israel or to Ukraine. But the ones in Israel, since they're the biggest recipients, that makes them a little bit mad.
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Natalie
What's so wrong about helping defend Israel from Iranian threats?
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Thomas Massie
We've got debt. I mean, at least with NATO there's The promise of a reciprocal arrangement with Israel. It's completely one way. And they've drug us into wars. They've convinced us that Iran is just days away from a nuclear weapon, and they're perpetually that way. This is not our war. Israel, for instance, funds abortions publicly. I think a lot of Republicans would be aghast to know that we're giving $3.8 billion a year, every year, to a country that funds public abortions.
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Natalie
You know, that kind of criticism doesn't sit well with fellow Republicans, at least in the House Republican Conference, that there are others who've accused you of all sorts of things regarding Israel, regarding the state of Israel, regarding, regarding the Israeli government, regarding Jewish Americans. Are you anti Semitic?
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Thomas Massie
They're trying to tell you that it's anti Semitic. For me to expose the fact that the Republican Jewish coalition has spent millions of dollars in this race, that a dual citizen, Miriam Adelson, who even Trump says is more loyal to Israel than the United States, has spent millions of dollars in this race. Those are mere facts. And it's really yes or no.
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Natalie
Are you anti Semitic?
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Thomas Massie
Oh, hell no.
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Clayton Morris
Okay, again, it's just such a lazy jump. Like he mentions Egypt, he mentions Ukraine and Syria. Yeah, we don't care about those places. We only care about Israel. This makes you anti Semitic, Right? It's just, it's lazy and it's trite and it's boring. Joining us to discuss is Dan McAdams. He's the executive director of the Ron Paul Institute and the co host of the Ron Paul Liberty Report. Great energy around this race, Dan, because it, you know, this is a template for what Dr. Paul has always been trying to do. Can you speak to what's at stake right now?
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Dan McAdams
Well, I think everything is at stake right now. I think, you know, the sane, tiny bit of sanity that remains in American politics wants Thomas Massie to win for a number of reasons. But, you know, it's interesting. I mean, there seems to be a bit of desperation, even though they outspent him by such, such a huge factor. But if you remember, this entire thing was, was not really about the Israel lobby up until, you know, sort of toward. It was Thomas Massie votes with Democrats all the time. Well, the facts show that he votes with Republicans and votes conservative even more than his fellow Republicans do. And they've done dirty tricks. I was reading some people were talking to people that left the polls who voted for Gallerain, and they said they were, they were led to vote against Massie because of this video Ad Showing him actually in bed, I guess, having relations with Ilhan Omar and aoc, you know, it's using deep fakes to make, you know, to sort of raise these horrible issues. These are dirty tricks that they're using against Massie. So I think they're desperate right now. I do not know what will happen. I don't have a sense. I'm trying to read the tea leaves to figure out what might happen. But the polls can't be trusted, that's for sure. And what they've done, guys, that I think is very, very suspicious. I'm an old election monitor from the 90s when I was living in Europe. These betting markets are replacing polls and they can be much more easily manipulated even than polls. When they wanted to throw an election overseas, for example, a poll would be released that would be completely fake. And if the results didn't turn out that way, then they would accuse the losing side, the winning side, of cheating. And I think we're seeing some of that being replicated here. Right.
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Natalie
You mentioned like polymarket and Kalshi and these other, these other betting markets. Well, we know that just last week we had Congressman Massie on and someone clearly like a millionaire or somebody threw a ton of money into the betting market on Polymarket and it showed Massie's numbers plummeting as a result of it. That has nothing to do with people on the phone answering who they're going to vote for. It can be swayed easily with millions of dollars. So I guess that's a sad thing to look at. Not that I've really ever trusted polls anyway. But at least we could get a sense of where things were moving with actual people answering questions rather than in these betting markets? I'm troubled by that, to be sure.
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Dan McAdams
I mean, if you go on X and you look at anyone posting these, these, these betting markets, they will always say, polls are showing Massey losing massively. You know, the general public doesn't seem to understand the difference between the betting market, the poly market and these other sites and actual polls. And if they can spend tens of millions of dollars to oust him, as you, where you'll point out, you can get a couple of people to put in a couple of million bucks. And really, we've seen some wide swings in these betting markets recently.
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Natalie
Can I ask you whether you think that this, I mean, is this a referendum right now on whether a member of Congress can be allowed to vote against foreign aid to Israel or otherwise and survive politically? I mean, is this really a moment to say to other politicians hey, you better fall in line and vote to send money to Israel. Otherwise this machine, $32 million is coming for you. Lauren Boebert, you're next.
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Dan McAdams
I think that's what they're hoping, but I think they may actually say, for example, God forbid, if Massie loses. I think that the AIPAC and the Israel lobby may lose by winning. Because, you know, they always operated behind the scenes. When I was in the house with Dr. Paul, they always were sort of sub rows operating behind the scenes. They didn't want their hands to be too completely out there and open. But now they are openly saying, we can buy congressional candidates at will. And Americans are going to start asking why? What the hell is going on here? Do we have a country left? So I think by showing their heads, by showing their faces, by showing the raw power that they have a thousand times more than even when Pat Buchanan recognized that, you know, 30 years ago, Americans, I think, will start waking up. So they're putting everything into this desperate race. But if they win, I think ultimately they are going to lose.
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Clayton Morris
Now, President Trump just a few minutes ago took to his old X account, ealdonaldtrump. He doesn't use it very often. The last time he actually typed something into X instead of like reposting his truth socials, which he usually does, it's annoying, was about Melania's movie in January. So he actually, you can tell that he's rattled. He's saying that Congressman Massie put out an old endorsement from years ago when I did endorse him, but now I'm endorsing Ed Gallerain. You know, withdraw this old statement, this is who I want. It feels a little panicked. Can you talk about what may actually divide and possibly reinvent the right?
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Dan McAdams
Well, that's exactly true. And the thing is that Thomas Massey's voting has not changed. If you look at how he's voted in the past, he's always been consistent in that way. He's most like Ron Paul.
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Chris Todd
He never changes.
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Dan McAdams
He has a set of principles that he lays out. They're very transparent and he simply follows them. So it's President Trump that's changed. But I think what's happening is two things. The Republican, the current Republican Party is killing the future of the Republican Party. We have seen the age divide in Massey supporters. It's incredible. It is dramatic. When you look at voters under 40 years old, for example, they are massively in favor of Tom Massey in his own district. But when you look at the boomer class, the people in their 60s and 70s and beyond. They are the other way for Galrain. They're doing, they're doing what they're told to do by Fox News, which they watch as a heroin addict is shooting up heroin. They can't, they can't get away from it. And so, but this is dying out. And the people now, the young people now who feel ripped off over this race, they're not going to join Democratic Party because they're not Democrats. They're either they're not going to vote or they're going to look to something new. So again, the Republican Party is committing suicide as well by doing this.
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Natalie
What does this say about the right at this point to Natalie's question? I mean, I don't want to, you know, dive in too much to the MAGA piece of this, but what does it mean to be conservative if you can't vote for a guy like Thomas Massie or support a guy like Thomas Massie? What does it mean to be conservative in 2026?
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Dan McAdams
Exactly. They have an identity crisis. Oh, you're not for smaller government. You're not for stopping going in expensive wars that, by the way, if you're pro life, you're killing a lot of people overseas. Thousands and thousands and millions of people overseas. So you're not that, you're not culturally conservative, you're not pro2a, because Thomas Massey is probably the most pro gun member of Congress. What is the future? What is the future Republican Party? Is it a personality cult based around a person who not only won't be president in three years, may not even be around in three years? The guy's old and he looks like he's deteriorating. So what is the future of the right? I think this is an unbelievable opportunity, despite all of the, all of the downsides for people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who gave a speech at our recent conference that was incredible. And it sort of hints at a new, a new coalescence of people in politics. And that would include someone like Thomas Massie, I would argue someone like Joe Kent. People will call it the radical center. I don't like that because I don't like the center. I don't like the idea of the center. But I think there is at least for a new sort of caucus among the right, there's definitely something ripe for it now.
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Clayton Morris
Now, President Trump, you know, was trying to give a laundry list of why Thomas Massie is bad, but the actual ideologies were things that he has stood for. Watch this. What are you seeing?
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Chris Todd
Thomas Massie's a terrible congressman.
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Natalie
He voted against men playing in women's sports. He voted against transgender.
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Chris Todd
For everybody, the mutilization of your children. He voted against, again, open borders. We have the best border we've ever had right now. Nobody. I mean, a report just came out
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Natalie
in the last 11 months. Literally, nobody has been allowed into our country illegally. Okay, so Massie, he voted against all the trans agenda. He voted against having men playing girls sports.
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Clayton Morris
He voted against mutilating your children. Didn't we want to mutilate children?
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Natalie
So he sort of inadvertently endorses Massie here by making this admission.
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Dan McAdams
I mean, at this point, you have to wonder if Trump even knows what Trump is saying. I mean, he seems so addled, and I, you know, I can't stand Biden. He was horrible. His brain was complete mush. But he's actually starting to look good in terms of his cognizance. When you look at Trump, Trump literally makes things up out of thin air. He doesn't know reality from fiction. He claims that the Arab Gulf states begged him to not start bombing Iran, and the Gulf states said, well, we didn't even know he was going to bomb Iran. Again, you know, everything is a complete lie, even down to the most minute things. So, yes, we get what happened. He got confused. But it happens pretty often with him.
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Chris Todd
Right.
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Natalie
Well, I was gonna say, I'm not one to be. I certainly don't. I don't like this cult of personality, and people like sort of tying their futures to a human being. Trump's my savior, et cetera. Massie's my savior. But when you look at this Kentucky race, it's hard not to see that this is really a moment, this idea that forget the person. Thomas Massie, what this is signaling is the future of conservatism and the future of this country. And if we can just be bought and sold like this from a foreign, you know, a foreign lobby, I feel like it's like a hopeless situation if this. If this doesn't go the way that we want it to.
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Dan McAdams
Yeah, it could lead us more toward. It could lead us toward a civil war, even. And, I mean, on the one hand, it's the people of Kentucky 4 getting good leadership, which is great. But on the other hand, if he does win, this could be the high water watermark of one of the most insidious chapters of US History, which is the Israeli dominance of US Politics. And if that happens, that would be the beginning, I think, of the re. Emergence of liberty, possibly. So it's much more important than Kentucky 4. I think you're Absolutely.
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Clayton Morris
Right now it's hard not to see the through line though, because a couple hours ago President Trump endorsed Ken Paxton, the Attorney General of Texas. Now, I think Ken Paxton has done some interesting things, but he is a loyal Zionist. He has punished people for criticizing Israel, made that illegal in the state of Texas, consistently stood with Israel. You know, I mean, he has been strong on election integrity and border security, but so has Massey. So one guy gets punished and the other guy gets endorsed. Is there any other way to see it or am I being too simplistic?
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Dan McAdams
Well, you know, In June of 1989, the Berlin Wall seemed as solid as a rock. There were no indications, you know, indications that something world changing, history changing, would take place. All it took were a few people starting to chip off a few, a few stones and before you knew it, it was completely gone. So I don't think, I think revolutions happen very slowly and quite quickly, like bankruptcy happens. So I think if the high water mark is reached here, if you can accuse a foreign lobby of buying your election and they lose for the first time, I think APAC is like a 95% success rate in getting their people elected into Congress. If they lose, that will be the indication that they are not all powerful, as all powerful as a lot of Americans think they are.
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Natalie
Dan, we'll get you out of here on this. What do you see here? Polls close in just a few hours depending on people. If they watch the replay of the show later, it may already be over. And Massie believes he'll know who's going to win within the first three counties. Right after polls close, based on the polling as you watch, not the betting markets, what do you think is going to happen?
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Dan McAdams
Well, the one thing that we do know is that early voting was up to like 260% over the election two years ago. So early voting is huge right now. Massie really focused on getting people to early vote. So I think that might be a positive for him. It's going to be unbelievably close. I would like to say that I think Massie will win, but I also know that a lot of cheating can go on both in front of the scenes and behind the scenes. If you're willing to spend $30 million in a relatively inconsequential in terms of the country, Congress race, then you're also willing to spend whatever it takes to cheat if you're not going to win.
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Clayton Morris
Can I just ask one more question? Clayton said that would be the last, but I have one more. Do you think Possibly that. First of all, we can all knock on wood. We've got wood here. Do you think that Thomas Massie might be dangerous outside of Congress?
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Dan McAdams
He could be. I mean, look at Marjorie Taylor Greene has gotten much better. I mean, she was getting really good in Congress. She's gotten much better. I mean, I would challenge anyone to watch her speech down here that we had last month. And I was ready to stand up. I was thinking, gosh, he'd make a hell of a president. I mean, he could be. He could definitely be. He could be the future face. He and Marjorie Taylor Greener and a few others could be the future face of future in politics. So I think he definitely could if he continues. But on the other hand, a great case. If I were Thomas Massey and this happened to me and I was rode out of town by a foreign lobby and I had this fantastic, beautiful house and a nice, beautiful young wife, I would say, screw you guys. I'm just going to stay here in Kentucky. You guys work it out yourself. I'm going to make pizza. I'm going to raise apples, whatever. Peaches, you know, to hell with everyone.
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Natalie
That'll be hard. I'd be hard to want to go back into that swamp. Yeah, that's for damn sure. Dan, great to see you as always, love. We'll be watching here very, very closely over the next few hours. So follow follow Dan on X. He is on fire as usual. It's one of the highlights of my day to watch Dan on X. Pissed and informed. Dan's like, I love Dan because Dan does not suffer fools. Like, I can't. I can't stand fools. And Dan really has a low threshold for fools. I appreciate it.
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Leslie Manoin Manoikian
Right.
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Natalie
Thanks, Dan.
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Dan McAdams
Thanks for having me on, guys.
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Chris Todd
Always.
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Natalie
Pleasure to see you.
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Clayton Morris
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Harrison Berger
Hey, thank you for having me. And really, what a great intro there. It perfectly explains what this app is and just really how sinister it all is. You're absolutely right. They've relaunched act.il which is exactly as you said. It's this troll farm operation which was designed by Israeli intelligence officials and their Ministry of Strategic affairs, which is also staffed by Israeli intelligence officials, people like Seema Vacman Gill, who work to censor and propagandize Americans. But this app specifically works to harass and intimidate American critics of Israel. And it started in response to the BDF BDS initiative, but it's since expanded due to the many acts of mass violence that Israel has committed and the backlash to it that that's rightfully provoked in the United States. You know, the financial backer that Israel depends on to survive. We just have to give them unconditional aid no matter what, or else they wouldn't exist, apparently. And so it's now housed under this new third party operator at the same university though, Reichman University. So they didn't really make much effort to conceal the fact that they were restarting it, although it was kind of quietly announced. It's now known as, as you showed, the promo for the Rise app. And they're going to use the exact existing database, they even say on the program's website of Act Il. So over 40,000 pro Israel online operatives that they're going to tap into to counter what they describe as anti Semitism and misinformation in North America. Now, it's a forthcoming app, so we don't know exactly who they're going to target, but in their promo on their website, they include examples like there's a tab that says the useful idiots, you know, likely referring to people like, you know, Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, very prominent critics of Israel. And there's even a tab for what they call genocide claims, which will I guess provide users with arguments to combat what is just this consensus among international legal experts that Israel committed a genocide in Gaza. You know, that consensus has become a problem for Israel and their army of loyalists that they have in the United States. And so this will just provide them with the talking points. But it's really interesting, the funding for where this all comes from, it doesn't just come from the Israeli government and their very secretive intelligence ministries, but it also comes from the Israeli American Council. So that's Miriam Adelson's group now carry or Sheldon Adelson's group originally now carried on by his wife. So that's who's funding this and that's who's working to not just unseat Thomas Massie right now, but to propagandize and
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Natalie
censor Americans and also, and not just criticism of genocide. But now we have this new, over the past 24 hours, extermination and UNH are, excuse me, UNHRC now says officially that Israel is committing extermination in Gaza. So I'm sure that's like a buzzword now that this Rise app would be perfect if people are sort of parroting or pointing out with the United nations, they would work to go after those people. Maybe you could talk about some of the mechanics on how that happens, because we've seen people posting almost verbatim the exact same talking point. When they went after Tucker Carlson, it was almost the exact same thing as posted online. And you could see this whole grid of like 50 different influencers all being paid to post the same thing. And it's almost the exact same cut and paste sentence. But how do the mechanics of this work? Do they send out a mass email like, hey team, team pro Israel, let's go attack. Harrison Berger, like, how does this work?
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Harrison Berger
Well, I could tell you from my own personal experience and I could tell you from my own reporting from my own personal experience. You know, I was in Chabad in college and when there were, you know, various incidents of Israel using mass violence in Gaza, not just with their genocide, but I believe in it was 2021 or 2022 when they bombed Reuters in Al Jazeera building. And of course, everyone was saying at the time, you know, what's going on here? This is an apartheid state. And you know, I would get text messages, I would just add into these lists randomly to say, you know, this person is denouncing Israel. Linda Sarsour, for instance, was someone whose name always popped up in my feed as someone who, you know, you need to attack. And of course, after October 7th, there are all sorts of memos that went out in more unofficial group chats. But they are orchestrated by the Israel lobby. I'm not sure of the connection to the Israeli government with this, with ACT Il. It was absolutely perpetrated by the Israeli government. You had the Ministry of Strategic affairs, who would assign various missions. They even called them missions. This was all leaked in, I believe, the Al Jazeera documentary, the lobby. A lot of this was the suppressed documentary that the United States and Israel pressured the government of Qatar to bury because it exposed just how much the Israeli government had their hands in the Israel lobby that we have in the United States. Groups like FTD and groups like ACT Il literally giving them directions and giving missions to American citizens, telling them, go attack this post. Go add a comment to this post, go downvote this YouTube video, because it accuses Israel of doing exactly what they're doing, of mass murder, of being an apartheid state, which even betselem, their own major human rights organization, announced in, I believe, 2019 or 2021, and later amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, too. So the whole trifecta of human rights organizations have said this. It's just a fact at this point.
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Natalie
So you were on the inside. I mean, you were getting text messages, talking points. Talking points, yeah.
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Clayton Morris
And so, I mean, this is interfering with US elections and US politics. And yet when the media reports on this, it's always Russia. Democrats tried to get X to prove that pro Russian bots were saying things they didn't like on X. And X didn't even find that this is really happening. Not from Russia, not from China, not from Iran. It is happening from Israel. Nobody cares.
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Harrison Berger
No, nobody cares. And you're absolutely right to. To bring up Russia, because this is. This actually got buried during Russiagate. Again, this was 2017, this program act illustration. But there are other groups like it that were funded and orchestrated by the Ministry of Strategic affairs to engage in these propaganda efforts. One of them was called Cygroup and Cy Group, actually in I believe May of 2016, met with Jared Kushner, officials from the UAE, I believe Saudi Arabia, too, to talk about how they could influence the election to win it for Trump. And this was in fact reported in the New York Times. So this is not like a conspiracy theory. It was just buried. It was suppressed. And Robert Mueller, when he was looking at the whole case and going through Russiagate and prosecuting it, he was looking at these Israel ties with people like, I believe, George Papadopoulos, they were contracting out. And Erik Prince, in fact, was in this meeting, too, the May 2016 meeting. So if you ever have him on the show, you can ask him about it. Israel, their government, or one of the groups that their government was funding was sitting down with the uae, with Jared Kushner to plot how they could influence the election on behalf of Trump. That nowhere near that happened with Russia at all. In fact, as we know, when Trump got into office in 2017, 2016, he worked against Russia's interests. When we know all he did, you know, since he's come to power in 2016 and now is work for Israel's interests. So there's lots of evidence that he works on behalf of Israel and really none at all that he was ever influenced by Russia.
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Clayton Morris
So you're saying Robert Mueller went looking for foreign influence in the Trump campaign only from Russia, found it from Israel and was like, this is fine.
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Harrison Berger
Well, they kind of pointed him away from it. I forget what the details of it were. But this is just a fact. Whenever FBI counterintelligence or anyone in our security state looks at all the infiltration that's gone on that the Israelis have perpetrated, that they always get shut down in their investigation. And I believe that's exactly what happened to Robert Mueller in this case. I'd have to go back and look at what happened specifically, but those meetings are on the record, and it's just a fact that it was a group, the CY Group, which was funded by the same ministry to do propaganda originally against BDS that was then aligning with the Trump campaign or offering to at
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Natalie
the very least, I should point out, we invited Erik Prince to join us here on the show and he straight up told us, no thanks. So it must be. I'm curious if it has anything to do with this Israeli connection at all. Wonder. Do you want to ask about that?
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Clayton Morris
Yeah, I want to ask you one more thing about. I mean, under the guise of seeing how much Israel influences and farms influence and money from Americans, this Cars for Kids case that was just ruled in California because a judge has says that has ruled that Cars for kids, the jingle is false advertising. Now, you might think that this is a charity for underprivileged kids. It's absolutely not. It was found out that it is an organization used to fund Jewish nonprofit group called URA that organizes Jewish summer camps and gap year trips for Israel to Israel for just Jewish teenagers from New York and New Jersey. And in fact, they don't even operate in California. When their COO took the stand in this case, she said, actually, no, the only thing we've got in California is a Backpack giveaway. But we raise 30% of our income from California, but we don't do anything there. It really has nothing to do with underprivileged kids. We are just trying to send Jewish kids in the east coast on these trips and match them with families. Turns out they have millions of dollars, mostly, again, a third of it raised from California. They bought a building in Israel for $16 million to grow the Israel program. You know, and they explicitly stated, we don't, we're not here to help needy kids. The judge said this is fraudulent. And in fact, the word needy does not apply to kids who want to go in a gap year. Someone might have reasonably thought that, but that doesn't qualify. You know, I guess cars for Jews to go to summer camp doesn't have the same emotional appeal. But this only really serves the notion that Israel farms money from Americans heavily in California. You know, what do you know about this? And can you speak to how unhelpful this is towards Israel's reputation that it's growing?
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Harrison Berger
I mean, it's really shameless behavior, but it's nothing new. And, you know, you're absolutely right, it is fraud. And I don't think that, you know, anybody in the Trump administration will go after it, especially because of the identity of the perpetrators. We know that there's this vast network of groups like the Aleph Institute and SEDC and people like Alan Dershowitz who lobby for mainly Jewish white collar criminals. So people who engage in these types of crime, people like Philip S. Formis, people like, I forget Schwartz, the nursing home owner who defrauded a bunch of people. There was a Medicare fraud case earlier this year who was someone who committed a bunch of crimes, white collar crimes, who had their sentence commuted or was pardoned. I wrote about it at the American Conservative. I just, I forget the title of my article, but it was all through Chabad. It was all through these orthodox Jewish groups who, you know, people in those groups had committed financial crimes, mainly fraud, and Trump had pardoned them. And that's just something that happens a lot. You know, we were told about, you know, this problem of Somalian fraud. There was this big right wing narrative about that. And, you know, you'd have the New York Post having wall to wall Coverage, Fox News 2 about Somalian fraud. We heard about this in December. But then with a story like this, you know, I'm pretty sure it was in the, the New York Post. There was no mention of the identity of the people who committed this fraud. But this happens a lot. You Know, even in the case that I just mentioned with the Israeli American Council, which is run by Sheldon Adelson, the main person who directs it on the day to day is someone named Adam Milstein. You might have heard of him before. He's a giant Zionist oligarch in the United States. He funds pretty much every pro Israel group along with Miriam Adelson. Their names are usually grouped together. Adam Milstein, well he was convicted in 2007 of this giant fraud ring in Brooklyn, New York. I think it was called the Spinka fraud ring. And it was basically a bunch of very wealthy Jewish people who would donate to yeshivas or donate in quotation marks there. They would give to yeshivas and other synagogues and then they would funnel that money to Israeli banks, get the tax deduction and get the money donated right back to them with a 10% cut for the grand rabbi. And so these types of schemes exist, they go on, they don't get looked at because of the identity of the groups who do it and the vast amount of political power that a group like Chabad will pull. Especially with with the Trump administration which as I mentioned has gotten a lot of white collared Jewish criminals released from prison had their been pardoned or had their sentences commuted.
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Clayton Morris
Gosh. Well thank you for commenting on that and for reporting on this. Harrison Berger is a correspondent at the American Conservative and always one of our favorite guests. Thank you so much for joining us.
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Natalie
Great to see.
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Harrison Berger
Thank you for having me.
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Clayton Morris
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Natalie
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Clayton Morris
All right. Well, vaccine mandates are legal if government officials have rationally concluded that they are necessary. This new ruling from the Supreme Court means they don't have to be based on clinical trials or data. Lawmakers just have to rationally believe that they need vaccine mandates and they can do it. The Supreme Court declined to hear a challenge to California's COVID vaccine mandates. So they essentially left in place the lower courts ruling that said that courts can defer to public health authorities during emergencies. If they think that we need vaccine mandates, they can do it. They just have to believe that they need it. Now here's the case I'm referring to in case you want to study it for yourself on supreme court.gov. what does this mean? It means that the government can decide based on what public health authorities believe is necessary during an emergency to impose vaccine mandates. And they expect Courts to largely defer to that judgment rather than aggressively second guessing it. Now, noticed here the ruling from 2025 that was left in place, but because the Supreme Court won't take it up, says that the government has the authority to impose vaccine mandates based on what officials could rationally conclude would protect public health. The court explicitly said the legality of a mandate does not depend upon whether or not we know that vaccine is effective. For instance, we were told that the COVID vaccine prevents transmission or provides immunity, but they did not have the data for that. And that was fine, according to the courts. Now, this is a terrifying precedent because it's based on government officials rational conclusions. Who here trust the government to come to rational conclusions? Raise your hand if you do. If so, what are you doing here? Now this is important because as we know, the COVID vaccine was not tested based on based on whether or not it prevents trans transmission. If you read the clinical trials, there was never any proof that it would stop the spread. Vaccine makers did not even give Covid tests to most of the people who initially took the vaccine in the clinical trials. What they did was give the vaccine and then later see if those people were coughing or sneezing or had a fever. They did not test for transmission. We know this. Now, we may not have known it then because the media was suppressing it, but now that we know know this, it means that no one ever knew whether this vaccine would stop the spread. And now we know it didn't. But lawmakers still put vaccine mandates in place, and now the courts say that was fine. They can do that again. They don't ever have to have the clinical trial to show that a vaccine will stop transmission or during the pandemic. They don't even have to know. They don't even have to try to know. They just have to think. We've rationally concluded. Now, what that means, I don't even know. Again, this litigation came from the city of Los Angeles, which did in fact require Covid vaccines of their employees. Now, the city was sued by the Health Freedom Defense Fund, and a federal court ultimately ruled that no, they could have done it. It was fine, regardless of whether the vaccine actually prevented transmission. Now, here's the president of the Health Freedom Defense Fund, Leslie Manoin Manoikian. She says that the government can and will do this again. Watch.
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Leslie Manoin Manoikian
What this means is that the ninth Circuit's egregious ruling that it doesn't matter whether a shot stops transmission or infection. All that matters is that a state official could have believed A shot would help individual members of the public will stand. And it's now precedent in the largest circuit in the United States, the Ninth Circuit. This, this ruling by the Ninth Circuit violated not only its own precedent, but also Supreme Court precedent, both of which have ruled in the past that state action requires a balancing test between violations of our individual liberties and the claimed state interest. That doesn't matter anymore. Now when it comes to public health, this should frighten us all. It frightens me, let me tell you. It depresses me, too. But, but this is the most important thing for us to all take away is that the system is not going to protect us. I think most of us already know this, but it's up to us, the people, to do something. Okay?
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Clayton Morris
So what she later says is that it's up to us, and it always was, to read the clinical trials because the government has just given itself permission to do this again based on their rational, rational thought. Okay. It's really disappointing, although maybe not surprising. So let us know your thoughts.
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Chris Todd
Jews.
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Natalie
The list was pretty endless. Like women, everybody was. He pointed out and picked on recordings that were then were recorded by Laura McKinney at the time. Here's an Inside Edition piece or another. I think it's. No, it's a CBS piece. Watch this.
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Clayton Morris
She is Laura Hart McKinney, the writer
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who recorded conversations with Mark Fuhrman.
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Natalie
Anything out of a nigger's mouth for
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Chris Todd
the first five or six sentences is a lie.
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Clayton Morris
So she is telling her story, her truth. And for the first time, excerpts from the Furman tapes. You've never heard.
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Natalie
Vulgar Five for Jews.
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Harrison Berger
Holder.
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Natalie
Wandering Jew with Bob. Wife. She had a big nose. Sexist. How do you arrest a violent suspect? I yell out, have a man do it.
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Clayton Morris
Disturbing.
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Natalie
You've got to be a borderline sociopath. You got to be violent. Well, he was hoping those tapes would never emerge. And in fact, he even later admitted to CNN that he was. He actually hoped to destroy those audio recordings. When the CNN reporter asked him, really? He said, yeah, wouldn't you try to hide the evidence? That's the kind of guy he was. And he lied under oath to famed detective, famed defense attorney F. Lee Bailey. Watch.
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Chris Todd
We intend to show in incident after incident that Detective Furman was willing to violate the law and the federal civil rights statute to unfairly prosecute black men who he found in the company of white women.
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Natalie
Fuhrman denied those allegations, but when he took the stand, famed defense attorney F. Lee Bailey laid the trap.
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Chris Todd
You say on your oath that you have not addressed any black person as a. Or spoken about black people, as in the past ten years, Detective Furman.
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Natalie
That's what I'm saying, sir. Well, that was a lie, of course. And the defense got their hands on those tapes eventually. They called him back to the stand at the time, and that's when he pled the Fifth and refused to answer their questions about that or planting any evidence. I wish to assert my Fifth Amendment privilege. Yeah. So journalist Chris Todd says the real story is much darker than we know, that Furman was one of the dirtiest, most racist cops in LAPD history. And this story has never been told because Furman was still alive. But now that he's dead, Chris Todd is ready to spill the beans on this. And Chris is back here on the show. Look at this. So just this photo you're seeing on Your screen here. Stacks of documents that Chris Journalist has in his discovery documents and everything. You've been sitting on this for a lot. What are you showing there in that photo, Chris?
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Chris Todd
Yeah. Good to be back with you. Clayton and Natalie, how are you guys doing? This is the discovery file that the media is blocking from the public every day. I've offered to bring this forward. I've had it for about three years. And the media, the mainstream media especially, is purposefully blocking this from the general public, and it's a disgrace.
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Natalie
What do the documents show?
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Chris Todd
They show there's an accomplice to start.
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Natalie
An accomplice to the murder. Right. OJ's accomplice when he murdered. Right.
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Chris Todd
Correct. That there were one, at least one accomplice with him. Mark Fuhrman's notes, which we'll go over today, which I'm going to show exclusively to you guys today. And there's a couple things that that represents and I'm glad you showed the F. Lee Bailey and him him asserting his Fifth Amendment privilege and a lot of that stuff. There's kind of an end of an era when Mark Fuhrman passed because now this stuff can come out fully that he most likely did plant the glove behind Rockingham.
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Natalie
So this is a bombshell. So you're saying most likely he absolutely planted the glove.
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Chris Todd
And I want to talk about Steven Singular today. And I'm sorry, my cover fell off his book, it's called Legacy of Deceptic. And there we go. And Steven Singular had a source. Stephen died a few years ago also. Stephen was instrumental giving this evidence to the defense team. He tried to give it to the prosecutors at first, but of course they wanted nothing to do with it. Okay. He had a source who was an LAPD cop who was saying, you better look at Furman, at the blood, the edta. He didn't even know what EDTA was, nor did Barry Scheck or Peter Neufeld. So he was getting this information about the blood, the bag and the stick that behind the house near the glove would be found part of an evidence bag. And he's like, what's going on? And guess where he was from? Colorado. So you have a little bit of a little connection here. His name was Steven Singular, and I implore people to read his book, Legacy of Deception. He brought all this forward years ago. He never revealed his source. He took it to the grave with him. I tried for years to get him to say it, and I wish he did say, it's a shame he didn't. But I believe that was an LAPD cop who knew Mark Fuhrman was a genocidal racist. And Marcia Clark knew it. And Darden, they warned them, don't put him on the stand. And that when Cato Kalin said, oh, I heard these noises behind the house, that Mark saw the opportunity to then plant the bloody glove behind Rockingham, the most infamous glove in American history.
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Natalie
So why, why have you not been able to come out with some of this information? Why was the media refusing to look into this? I know that Fox News hired him, I think as a, as a, as a, I don't know, what do you call it? Contributor. So even Fox News had Mark Fuhrman on their air as a contributor, even, even knowing that he was a liar, a racist, a deceiver, an evidence planter. And they would come to him as a source.
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Chris Todd
Well, that's part of the story too. And Fox Digital Team blocks me every day. I could name five of the people over there, but I won't right now. But it's like, and Fox is one that interviewed O.J. and did the, if I did it interviews and was shelved that for 12 years when he said there was an accomplice. So it's like all these people are in on this cover up. But Mark Fuhrman, first of all, he was sleeping with Laura Hart McKinney. So I'm going to start to be able to say a lot of different things. Cheating on his wife with her. Laura Hart McKinney tried to sell the tapes and then F. Lee Bailey and Pat McKenna sniffed it out because everybody was yapping in LA. She took the tapes and tried to sell them to lawyers in Hollywood during the trial.
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Natalie
So Laura McKinney, we played the CNN clip of her talking about the tapes. She decided to finally come forward and admit that she had recorded these things. This obviously was then part of the defense. They realized that they had these tapes of her, of him on tape talking about the N word, talking about women, all of these horrible things, Jews and otherwise. So you say that they were having an affair?
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Chris Todd
Yes, yes. They met in a cafe and they had talked for over, like it was like 10 years. So a long history. I'm not saying they were sleeping together at the end of their relationship. In the beginning, he saw her in a cafe writing on a laptop or in a notebook. And they befriended each other. He kind of liked her. She was a pretty woman back in her day. He was a good looking guy, 6, 2. He could sound like a choir boy. He looked good, he played basketball, he talked about working out all this stuff. And it's interesting too, because there was another incestuous relationship with the DA and his PR gal, which was Gil Garcetti and then David Gascon with Tracy Savage leaking information, all these things. I'm just spitting this stuff out quickly because we don't have a ton of time. But so Mark. Mark And Laura Hart McKinney, when she tried to sell it, they didn't really know her last name. They had to hunt her down. And then they said, you're going to give us this stuff. And they had to fly out to North Carolina to get the judge to force her to give it to them. Okay, this is what everybody was doing. They're all worried about themselves and Laura Hart McKinney. Eventually, those tapes, they sit with Larry Schiller, the whole set of them, and they cost $350,000 to license. And I know Larry personally is not a bad guy. He's an important historical figure. You can look him up. He actually owns the tapes, all of them.
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Natalie
Wow. So everyone was out for money, selling the tapes, trying to, trying to, you know, self preservation.
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Chris Todd
He's writing a script about the cops and she needs Mark Fuhrman to consult her on a script. And he tells her all these things. And then they had to settle a lawsuit with Mark Furman when he planted a knife on a black man after he shot him and whispered in his ear, die. N word, die. And all these things. And they knew this. This is all the COVID up. And the stuff with what we're doing today is we're calling out the media. Why don't you let the public see this?
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Natalie
So what are you holding in your hand? Those are the discovery documents from the
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Chris Todd
OJ never, never before seen discovery file from 1994 that no civilian has a copy of in the world.
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Natalie
Can you walk me through what's in there?
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Chris Todd
Well, I mean, there's too much. There's 1500 pages.
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Audience Member / Viewer
Right.
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Natalie
What stands out to you then? Maybe you can give us some of the highlights today.
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Chris Todd
And look, I mean, I've been been told by some of my friends and people not to bash Mark Furman too hard because he just passed away. And not looking to get any bad karma on myself. But these are Mark Fuhrman's notes. This is the full set. That was a big part of the case because Van Natter and Lang kept trying to say that Mark Fuhrman, you know, Mark was the first detective on the scene with his. With Phillips, Ron Phillips, and they were the first ones there. But the case was then moved to lapd Robbery Homicide, which was Lang and Van Natter on the stand. Tom Lang tried to skirt the issue. What did Mark Fuhrman say about this bloody fingerprint or palm print on the back of the gate? Okay, and I can read it to you today because this is what people wanted to hide, Even maybe sticking up for Mark Fuhrman for a minute. Number 15 on the rear gate on the inside, deadbolt, turn knob type. There's a possible blood smudge, invisible fingerprint. They never pulled this print.
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Natalie
Okay, so it was in Furman's notes. He wrote it down. And they never went and got the print.
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Chris Todd
And they. And they just didn't want to listen to Mark Fuhrman. And then on the stand, they had to cover their butts because Neufeld and Scheck and the other lawyers are all saying. Did you guys take notes? No. Well, did you fill out the forms? What they're all doing that chain of custody. Why didn't we pull this print? Well, Mark. I don't know if Mark said anything. Hey, Tom Lang. It says visible fingerprint right there in
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Natalie
his notes, in his writing.
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Chris Todd
And this is from 1994. Copy. It's a copy from Robert Shapiro's office.
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Natalie
So I was going to ask you, these documents, where did the defense team ever see these documents? Or was this kept. Was this from the discovery? And no one in the public had ever seen this, though,
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Chris Todd
because in. There's parts of it leaked. There's like I have, you know, the children's statements, like, this is OJ suicide letter from 1994. Here's OJ signing with his little. Sorry, we don't have a lot of time. Signing with his Little Peace Love, O.J.
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Natalie
yeah.
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Chris Todd
This is from 1994. This is a piece of American history that the public deserves to see.
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Natalie
And why. Why couldn't we see it with Mark Fuhrman still being alive?
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Chris Todd
Well, well, there's some things in there. There's other things about Mark Fuhrman with the witnesses, talking to women. And some of this came out in the trial. Dropping the N word every second to people at parties, restaurants, cafes. He was not afraid to just say it, that he hated black people and Jews. Okay? He did. Was not. No, no qualms about it. So he got caught in the trial with the. I wish to assert my Fifth Amendment privilege because, remember, he didn't know they were going to get these tapes. Then when they got the tapes, he's got to backpedal it. And I assert the Fifth Amendment and it's Game over. Mark Fuhrman is one of the top three reasons O.J. simpson was acquitted, period. Not even up for discussion.
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Natalie
So the evidence shows that he planted the glove. And I can't help but think, well, maybe this is not like an original thought. I don't think. But by him planting the glove upended everything because he's inserting himself in such a way where maybe on its face, OJ Would have been convicted without the help of Mark Fuhrman getting in the way. Even though Mark Fuhrman thought he was helping to convict O.J. because he didn't.
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Chris Todd
Exactly. You just, you just hit it. Because remove the glove from Rockingham and remove Mark Fuhrman. Right?
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Natalie
Right.
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Chris Todd
Now, they had other detectives or patrolmen testify and detect detectives, but Brad Roberts never did, and his notes are in there. But if you remove Furman and the glove, you probably still could have got O.J. right. You had it. You still had a lot of evidence. Okay, but what did Mark Fuhrman want to do? And he admitted it on the tape. Without that glove in the back, they got nothing. And he says it on tape because he wanted to assert himself into it. And he knew that this is not a dumb person. Yes, he was a little sociopathic. Like he said, racist, planted evidence, beat the crap out of black guys. Blood flying on the ceiling and on the walls. You ever see these guys try to climb the wall? They're climbing the wall as we're beating them up. This is guys joking about it. And so Marcia Clark and Chris Darden decide we're going to use them, but they kind of had to. But you hit it on the head. If you didn't have Mark Fuhrman, there's a good chance O.J. was convicted.
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Natalie
And possibly not only did O.J. do the murders, but his accomplice. Is there any Furman connection here at all to the accomplice and maybe the COVID up or that piece of the story, O.J. s accomplice in the murders?
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Chris Todd
It's funny because whenever you bring up an accomplice, even if somebody like a Tom Lang or Cato or Tom Zenner does a lot of work and they just ignore it. It just does. It's not real. Tom Lang will tell you there's no evidence of a second person at the crime scene or at the. In the Bronco, that's a lie. That's a straight lie that he's been telling for 40 years, 30 years. Okay, Mark Fuhrman, remember, they're all in this OJ paradigm. Can I say that Mark didn't know. Maybe two people did this. Maybe he did. But they were steamrolling that train of just O.J. that's it. Because remember whenever those other bloody fingerprints, the DNA that's in the Bronco on the steering wheel or at the crime scene, the shoe prints, they want nothing to do with it. The two root hairs that's in the evidence log, it's in here that says there's two. Two root hairs that are non Negroid, meaning white or Caucasian. Well, who else is there? And they want nothing to do with it. So what I'm trying to say is I'm not blaming Mark Fuhrman like he covered up an accomplice. They're all. They're all upside down. They're all twisted. They can't see it. Right. They just want O.J. they're gonna write books. They're gonna make millions of dollars. They're gonna be on TV every day for two years. They know that. So they got carried away and this guy walked. If we think there's two accomplices now, Clayton, sorry to hit you with it.
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Natalie
Two. So not just O.J. two. A third. A third person.
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Chris Todd
Now there's. Yes, now there's weird. And I can't say too much about it, but I'm not saying 150%. There's two. I know there's one with OJ but now it's coming out. There's new sources coming forward. That there is. There were three killers. And look, again, I'm here to talk to you about the public. We need your help. You guys can write me. You could find me. The LAPD needs to be pressured into investigating this case. This is not a closed case. And the media has to stop blocking and censoring the accomplice story and also the discovery file from coming to you.
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Natalie
So all the Mark Fuhrman discovery materials. Chris Todd has it. He's been trying to get his message out to places like Fox News and others. He's been stonewalled by these places.
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Chris Todd
Even today. I was.
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Natalie
The day after Furman's death.
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Chris Todd
Yep.
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Natalie
And they're like, no, we don't want to see the evidence.
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Chris Todd
Yeah. Every time somebody dies, Right. I'm on the email like 30,000 times. Every time there's any little OJ thing, I re. Offer the discovery file. And also what the media, like LA Times, who are laughable, but what they should be doing is saying, well, how did you get it, Chris? Because maybe if you dig a little bit and you see who actually gave it to me, it might Be very telling, right? But they want nothing to do with it. They don't want to know where it came from. They don't want to know what's inside it. I know the public does, but I'm not leaking it on YouTube and I'm not doing it on Reddit. So this is not a case, you know, this. This deserves. And this is to force the media to do it, too. I could leak it tomorrow on Reddit.
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Natalie
You know, maybe the New York Times will give you a call. Since the LA Times won't give you a call, actually cover the story, read the file, go through it. Well, Chris, it's fascinating. It's crazy to kind of go down and look at all of Furman's transgressions. And then from a media perspective, for me, it's like, how did these guys. How does Mark Fuhrman get hired as, like, a contributor on major cable news channels, knowing his past?
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Chris Todd
I think, you know, Fox, and Fox has changed over the years, but, you know, Mark was fired. He could never be a cop again. He almost went to jail for perjury, Right? So he couldn't be a cop anymore. He wrote Murder in Greenwich about the Martha Moxley. And look, Fox, he was ripe for Fox. Come on. White guy, kind of racist, right?
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Natalie
He's involved.
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Chris Todd
I mean, come on.
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Natalie
And to be clear, he was the only person convicted of a crime during the OJ Trial. Is that crazy? The only guy convicted of a crime during OJ Trial is Mark Fuhrman.
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Chris Todd
Right? Even Al Collings, ac. The charges were not pursued when he took a fugitive on the run, and nor were. Well, here's another last thing I'll leave you with, too. Robert Kardashian, Bob Shapiro, Henry Lee, he just died. They're inside the discovery file, too. Being investigated and questioned by the LAPD when O.J. fled Robert Kardashian's Encino house. No one's ever seen that. And I have it because they were going to get arrested at that moment for letting O.J. escape.
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Natalie
Well, you just dropped some bombshells here that have never been reported before. So maybe the mainstream media will give you a call here after this.
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Chris Todd
I'll be back on with you, Clayton. I'll see you soon.
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Natalie
Yeah, I'm sure you will.
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Dan McAdams
Yeah.
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Natalie
Chris, great to see you, as always. Thank you for this. I really appreciate it. Wow. What do you guys think of that? That's. That's some shit, isn't it? I mean, it's crazy. I mean, you literally have in the discovery files him admitting about a Fingerprint. A bloody fingerprint that we don't even know about. That's never been.
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Dan McAdams
That.
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Natalie
We did. We didn't. We didn't feel like we should have pulled that print. We just ignored it. Do you guys take notes? No. Oh, but here are his notes, literally in the discovery file admitting that they saw a bloody fingerprint. We just ignored it. Just ignore the white hair follicles from a white person as OJ's accomplice in these murders.
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Leslie Manoin Manoikian
Yeah.
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Natalie
And now the revelation that there's sources coming forward saying there's a third, third individual involved in the murders. I saw some of the comments, just said, I miss the 90s. Yeah.
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Audience Member / Viewer
My grandmother watched that trial from the time she woke up to the time she went to bed. The entire time it was going like she was just absolutely glued to that trial.
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Natalie
I was at the University of Pittsburgh at the time, and we all had it on in our dorm room. Televisions, you know, and it was. It was crazy to watch. Certainly the verdict was crazy. I mean, it's like, how does a murderer walk away? Again, I bring up the point, like, if Furman's not involved in this, possibly OJ gets convicted. Right. If Furman doesn't insert himself in this way and dirty the waters, so to speak, and then put a bloody glove there and plant a glove, and then they have OJ get up and put his hand on it, it won't really fit his hand, totally throws the thing asunder. So if Mark Fuhrman doesn't involve himself, even though it was his goal to bring OJ to justice and put him behind bars by him inserting himself in it, he actually scuttled it. It's pretty crazy. And he could never admit. He could never come out and later admit, you know, that he. He planted the glove. But it is kind of crazy, though, that he died of throat cancer.
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Harrison Berger
Right.
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Natalie
A guy who spent his life, like, basically lying and he gets throat cancer anyway. It's a crazy story, but I think he's right. The lapd. Why is this not an open case? With all of the evidence that's there and all of the new evidence that's emerged and all of the evidence that's never been able to see the light of day, is anyone going to examine those hair follicles that they found, the white person? Hair follicles, With DNA testing and certainly the names that are part of the. That have come forward as possible accomplices, can we test that DNA against that individual? Be interesting to see. Fascinating stuff, but. Yeah, really interesting. Really interesting. But it's crazy that the mainstream media will ignore it. Like Fox Digital. Just like stonewalls. Chris, they were all over the O.J. story. Fox was like the network to be all over the O.J. story back in the day. Yeah, exactly. Golden. I said, furman planted that glove. Yeah, that's exactly what Chris is saying. That with, like, certitude, he planted that glove. Well, he got framed in the sense that there was an accomplice with him. He certainly killed those people. But he was not alone. So this idea that he did he. That he wasn't involved is just. Is crazy. Well, you'll stop caring. Someone said, we care about the Epstein files right now. None of us care about OJ Case right now. We want the Epstein files and the men who raped children to come to justice. Yeah, add that to the list. But I would like people that murdered people still to be brought to justice. To me, there's no statute of limitations on the people that killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. Like, let's bring those people to justice. You know what I love? I have a weird obsession with sometimes, and I think these videos get surfaced to me because they know that I like it. And it's like, have you seen some of these videos of, like, 90 year old women? They go and they find, like this. The police show up, like a 90 year old woman's house. She's like, can I help you? Like Mildred, whatever. Mahogany. Yes. Can you please step outside? You're under arrest.
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Chris Todd
What?
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Natalie
90 year old woman? Old woman. What did she do? Oh, turns out she, like, kidnapped a child back in the day, raised this child, kept this child hidden from the family, stole the child from, like a daycare center or something, and they finally caught her, and she's 90. I don't know something about that justice. I. I do. I do appreciate it. I don't know, it's kind of like finding old Nazis, you know, Unless you're in Canada, in which case they just give you standing ovations.
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Audience Member / Viewer
I was just gonna say that. In Canada, it's easy. You just throw. You just throw a. You know, just get all the parliament together and they'll just show up.
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Natalie
Yeah, Trudeau, bite you and give it with Zelensky. You know what I learned today in an interview that'll be out, that Zelensky is the. I think it's the fourth largest land holder in the United States. Fourth largest.
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Harrison Berger
Really?
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Natalie
Ninth largest. Let me just double check my notes here to see here. Zelinsky, one of the most corrupt individuals in the world. I didn't realize he also. He has Israeli citizenship. Did you guys know that? I didn't know that. I didn't realize he had Israeli citizenship as well, but that he's. Yeah. Zelensky is now the ninth largest landowner in the United States, and his wife lives in London now. And yes, he has Israeli citizenship, but he's also. The amount of money that he's stolen in Ukraine, he's now the ninth largest landowner in the United States. Pretty remarkable.
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Audience Member / Viewer
I'm still. I'm still laughing. I still laugh at that Canadian Parliament thing anytime I think about it. Because they're like, he fought the Russians in World War II in Stalin grass. Like, dude, you know what? You didn't think that through, did you?
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Natalie
Exactly. Didn't really think through. The guests you're inviting here fought the Nazis in Stalingrad. Wait a minute. No, you were a Nazi fighting again. Wait, what?
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Audience Member / Viewer
Well, yeah, because that was the thing they missed was that whether he was like. Because they were trying to do their. Their, you know, anti Russia campaign. So they're like, he fought the Russians in World War II and Stalingrad is like, dude, dude, that was the Nazis. That's who fought the Russians there. Nobody else was fighting the Russians.
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Natalie
Wait a minute. He invaded Russia and was. Okay, keep going. Really? And let's give him a steady invasion. Invaded Russia. He fought alongside the ss. Okay, he was part of the Waffen SS too, right? I mean, I get exactly what.
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Audience Member / Viewer
I don't remember that. I just remember, like, their justification for why they were celebrating him and seeing that and thinking, wait a minute.
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Natalie
Oh, man. Someone said a comment said this show has devolved into libtardism. Okay, how exactly? Because we're pro America, anti war, and very conservative. That's somehow liberal. I don't know if you've met the liberals who got us into war in Ukraine, who wide open borders in the United States, destroyed our country. Sorry, I think we're the opposite of that, actually. Very much. Anti open borders, anti sending billions of dollars to Israel. It's one big uni party. Don't fall for it. This idea, like, liberal versus Republicans, like, it's all one big uniparty. It's all one big corruption uniparty. So as long as you're, like, down here mentally, like, fighting among, like, parties. Oh, I'm anti Republican. I'm anti. They're both. They're both corrupt. They're both corrupt parties. It's one big uni party. So don't fall for my daughter.
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Audience Member / Viewer
My daughter explained it very well, or she described it Very well. A couple weeks ago, she's like. She's like. Was it the Democrats are. They're Republicans with pronouns in their. In their profiles.
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Chris Todd
Yes.
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Natalie
Yeah. Oh, man. Here's a Super chat from Mr. Wink. If we want to stop all the Israel BS, we have to stop the Rothschilds who created it. Good luck with that. These insulated families. Unfuck the world says not true. Daniel. He was referring to Dan McAdams earlier. Many boomers are anti war and loyal to. To the Constitution, like Massie. Ryan Mata is on the ground in Kentucky, and he's finding loads of boomers who are voting for Massie. Yeah, Ryan was going to be a guest on the show yesterday, and we lost our. Lost our Internet at the time, so we couldn't. Ryan's been down there with a bunch of other journalists, Ben Swan and others who have been interviewing countless people who are voting for Massie.
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Audience Member / Viewer
And Dan didn't say no boomers were voting for Massie. It just says the trend.
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Natalie
Right.
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Audience Member / Viewer
So it's not like you can't find some that are. But the trend is what he's saying.
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Natalie
Calca says National Nazis are national Socialist socialists, which equals Zionists. Let's see. Exactly. It's not liberal to put America first and oppose wars and debt. Professor to says toe Exactly. Like, that's liberal. Liberals are for, like, open borders, globalism, the endless printing of money. So, I mean, I don't know. What, what does it mean to be conservative? I asked Dan earlier, like, what does it mean to be conservative anymore? Like, what does it mean to be libertarian? What does it mean to be liberal? I mean, can you be conservative and also care for fellow human beings? Like, does that make you a liberal? Like, for not wanting to kill children? If it is, then sign me up. Okay. If that's. Like, we're changing the definitions now. Like, liberals used to be vehemently anti war. Like peace, peace, love, and whatever and smoking pot. Right. End the Vietnam War, dude. That used to be what liberals stood for. Stop bombing other countries. And then it got flipped. And then actually it's one big uniparty where they're both in favor of that. So if you somehow agree with what Trump said on the campaign, which is no more foreign wars, and got huge applause for it. Like, what happened to those people? What happened to stop sending billions of dollars into the Middle east, into Israel? Does that make you liberal? I don't know. Or does it make you sensible? I don't know. Like, who knows what these labels even mean anymore? What does it mean to be conservative. To me, conservative just means you don't spend more than you bring in. It's one big piece of it. You stop spending money you don't have and you stop printing money. You stop taking your country to war around the world and killing innocent people. How about we reinvest that money in the United States? How about we keep our border closed and we reinvest that money in the United States? I hate seeing all these videos coming out of China and India and other places where they've built these massive, beautiful new railway infrastructure, high speed rails. I mean Russia is building a 500 mile an hour high speed rail I think between Moscow and St. Petersburg right now. Why can't we? Since the 1990s they've tried to build a high speed rail in California. They can't and it's probably never going to get built. Why can't the United States of America do these things? Like does that make you conservative by calling this out, does that make you liberal? What does that make you? I don't know. I'm just so sick of these labels. Like what does it make you? Like I was an American history major, I love this country vehemently. So does that make you liberal for loving the country? Does that make you conservative? I don't know anymore. Like what does it matter? Like here are the things that I believe and then put a label on it. I guess if that's makes you happy. Southern Grits.com says maybe draining the swamp reach further out than just the United States maybe. And said agreed on my discussion about liberal conservatism. Who knows? Dill, Dill, Dilg Dillev says boomers sold out their grandkids for a golf cart. Maga loves being bent over by the Zionist movement. Some someone just said, So what if Massie voted against funding ICE and Border Patrol? I mean look before people, like I love these sort of talking points, but people need to look at the actual vote. And he's even addressed this specifically. But go look at the actual bill and have a discussion about the bill because so often these bills are full of shit and these bills have like extra little funding things shoved in there to force members of Congress's hands even though the main bill is total garbage and will rob us of our future. That's how these things work. It's, they put together one big omnibus bill and they shove in all of these other things in order to try to get Congress to say, well I had to vote for that because it was funding for ice. Oh, but it also allowed the Reauthorization of the FISA to spy on Americans. You know, like that's how it works. Massie voted against funding ice. Yeah, but the bill reauthorized fisa, which was spying on Americans. Shut up.
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Audience Member / Viewer
Shut up.
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Natalie
Don't tell people the truth about these bills. Wouldn't it be great if they just could have like single line bills that we vote on? Here's the one thing you're voting on instead. They have to throw in all of these other things which are horrible for the country. And by the way, this idea that we just had JJ Carroll on the show, don't kid yourself that like funding ICE to a large degree is the answer. We need a massive military operation to get rid of 50 million illegal immigrants in the country. Like an extra 500 million or a billion dollars for ICE is not going to do shit. Absolutely not. And he was a member of ice and he was on the inside and he laid it bare. Exactly what is needed. So this idea that like funding ice, whatever, but. Good question. Good point though on that. I'm sick of being. I'm sick of being controlled by pro Israel puppet boomers. Well, Noel, thank you for watching this show and hopefully getting the message out to people and sharing your thoughts. Have lunch with boomers, or you see any boomers around, tell them to get off Fox News. Tell them to stop watching cable news. Bradley Gilbert said ICE is funding your digital prison for f16 sake. Smarten up. Good point, Brad. Right. And this is. This is all what Whitney Webb has been talking about and other journalists have been talking about. This idea of the locked down border is one thing, but to have this bio surveillance state that's created as a result of it, with flocking cameras and bios, digital ID and all of it. So you're funding that infrastructure under the guise of safety. Closing the border. Border. Okay. You can close the border without doing any of that stuff. But they're telling us that we need to have everything digitally surveilled in order to protect us all. And you know, that's just garbage. It's just total garbage. Let me just check, make sure I got everything I need to do here. Hey, subscribe to the channel. How many of you guys are subscribers? I notice in the analytics we have like 70, 60 to 70% of you watch the show but are not subscribed. Sometimes you discover the show organically, other times. Which is shocking because we get suppressed all the time. But anyway, we'd love for you to subscribe. It's free on Rumble on YouTube to subscribe to the channel. Turn on that little bell notification and we are live Monday through Thursday at 4pm Eastern time. So we'll be back here tomorrow. We will see what happens tonight in just about an hour. Yeah, just about an hour or so in Kentucky with Thomas Massie. So we will be watching that closely. We'll have full coverage of it tomorrow in the morning. Newsletter we hope you're subscribed to the newsletter. It's free. Just go to redacted.inc put in your email address, click on the little newsletter icon at the top of the website and then you'll receive the newsletter in your inbox. You just need to confirm that you want to receive it and you will receive it tomorrow morning on Wednesday morning. So thank you guys so much for subscribing, being a part of our community and we will be back here tomorrow at 4pm Eastern. Have a great night everybody.
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