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Clayton Morris
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Natalie Morris
Someone in our chat room just said Clayton and Natalie should dance to that music when we start the show. When we read the news. No one wants to see me dance.
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Carol Roth
Absolutely not. That song.
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Natalie Morris
No way. Welcome.
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Carol Roth
I have another song in my head, Amor Prohibido, which means Forbidden Love by Selena. Because the Trump administration just announced that diplomats living overseas cannot have romantic relationships with Chinese people, which just made that super hot. So we're gonna see more of that.
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Natalie Morris
Well, I didn't make that leap. But hey, welcome into redacted on this.
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Carol Roth
You need to read romance novels.
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Natalie Morris
No, I do not. Welcome in everyone. Hopefully you having a wonderful Thursday. And live from the Rocky Mountains, Snowy Rocky Mountains today, back in the snow. It was nice and hot. Everyone's wearing shorts. And then, you know, now we're back in the snow again. But anyway, hey, we got a busy show for you on this Thursday. I'm Clayton Morris.
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Carol Roth
I'm Natalie Morris.
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Natalie Morris
We're going to talk about the meltdown over these tariffs. So if you turn on like Fox News Channel or any of the mainstream media, you're going to see people saying that this, you know, these Trump tariffs are the greatest thing to ever hit America. And then if you flip on like any of the media, local liberal media say the exact opposite. It's the worst thing that ever happened. The United States of America and the world. So we're going to try to go through this in nuance because markets melting down, gold searches, gold prices surging to an all time high over 3,100 an ounce. What is this actually going to mean for us? In our personal wallets. We're going to talk about that coming up.
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Carol Roth
Plus, the Trump administration continues to deport people for ideologies. That's strange. We're going to talk to Glenn Greenwald about this and also the increasing rhetoric about war with Iran because now Israel says, hey, look, the Trump administration is super down to help us bomb Israel. They're our best friends ever. We now. Oh, I'm sorry. To bomb Iran. Yeah. So we got a buddy. Now we're going to do this thing. Who voted for that? Who wants that? Raise the. Raise your hand if you want a war with Iran.
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Natalie Morris
We're also going to talk about Colorado's misgender law. So if the House in Colorado has just passed a law, well, it hasn't passed the House committee. It's going to be going on its way to the governor's desk, which is, it's just an insane law. I think if you misgender someone or dead name someone, that's a discriminatory act. Could also break up families if maybe the husband doesn't want to support the fact that maybe their 13 year old daughter suddenly decided to be a boy. That could actually break up a family under Colorado's new law. So we're going to speak about that because this could, you know, spread to the rest of the United States. We're going to break that all down for you. So we got so much news to get to today on your Thursday. Good to see everyone. Also, I should mention at the end of today's show, we're trying something new. Our friends over at Rumble, um, have invited all of you guys want to. If you guys are a Rumble Premium subscriber, we're gonna do a hangout after the show today and sort of just hang out with our Rumble Premium subscribers and kind of talk about the world, the news and everything. So we're gonna do a special live stream a little bit later. So if you just go to rumble.com premium, you can save $10, support freedom of speech. There's no ads or anything like that. So if you use that code redacted, we're gonna do that a little bit later in the show today on a Thursday and we're gonna try to do that every Thursday actually.
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Carol Roth
Yeah, that's super fun. Hey, I have another question. This is something we're gonna get to later. The all female crew going up in a blue Origin flight in a few weeks. I wanna ask you, Clayton, when you book a flight to anywhere, are you the crew?
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Natalie Morris
Always? Yeah, when I walk.
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Carol Roth
When you get on the plane, all of a sudden you're the crew.
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Natalie Morris
Right? When I walk in, they say, clayton, we're not flying the plane anymore. You are. You are the crew.
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Carol Roth
Right. So they are passengers. It's a self automated flight. But they're trying to sell us this idea of feminism with these, you know, super slick ladies who are taking a space flight on blue origin and they're telling us they're the crew. They're astronauts. That's what that means.
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Natalie Morris
I want to fly with Bezos, his wife, on a space shuttle.
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Carol Roth
I know a friend of we had this conversation is like, do you think he actually wants to make her safer or is she like a liability? Would you go with her or not? Would you be less safe with Jeff Bezos, fiance? You know where I'm going with this. So anyway, yeah, yeah, we're going to talk about this later. So let me know what you think when you board a flight. Are you the captain? Captain. I'm the captain now.
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Natalie Morris
All right, well, are the new tariffs liberating or is this gonna tank our economy and our personal finances again? If you flip on Fox News Channel, you're gonna see that this is the greatest thing for America. If you flip on CNN or msnbc, this is the worst thing that Trump has ever done for the history of the United States. So all kinds of yelling happening about online right now. So we wanted to ask Carol Roth, finance expert, author of the great book you will Own Nothing, to join us now to talk about all of this and more. Carol, great to see you. Welcome back to the show.
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Glenn Greenwald
Yeah, nice to see you guys. It's been a little bit.
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Natalie Morris
So help us sort through this because, I mean, I think this deserves some nuance here. And I think most Americans watching right now are like, how is this going to affect my family? How is this going to affect my ability to send my kids to college, put food on the table? If you watch Fox News, this is the greatest thing for America. CNN says this is the worst thing for America. Where do you come down on this?
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Glenn Greenwald
So I come down in the. Where everybody's going to hate me because I do live in a place of nuance. So I'll just start with that. I think it's important to talk about these tariffs in context. And the context was that coming out of the last administration, people had absolutely been decimated. Their personal balance sheets had been crushed by inflation. We know that they took on record debt, their savings were down. And they voted overwhelmingly for President Trump because they wanted him to bring some stability and certainty to Pricing and to the economy. They wanted things like deregulation and uncertainty in the tax code and incentives to push, put forth more growth in the economy and be able to have a clear path. And I think that part of the challenge is that the tariffs have now come out in front of many of these things in a very chaotic and in my opinion, poorly communicated fashion. So that is setting people, you know, kind of on a path of uncertainty and showing up in terms of pessimism instead of optimism and lower consumer confidence and business confidence, which can be a self fulfilling prophecy. I think the other thing about the tariffs and there are places where, you know, I can argue the tariffs make all of the sense in the world. Places like Nat, securing our national defense, we want to be able to produce ammunition here and ships and things that deal with maybe technology. They're places that, where it makes sense. And there are places where it's never going to make sense because of our regulatory environment, our cost structure, both in terms of labor and energy. There are certain things that we're just never going to manufacture here. So I think the expectation was that the tariffs were going to be more focused and surgical and had they been, had they been okay, we're going to really focus in on these key areas. I don't think you would be having these issues. But when it's poorly communicated, when it's brought across the board and then yesterday when you get this proclamation that they are reciprocal, yet the, the math is not based on any sort of reciprocity. It's not reciprocity based on a product category. Hey, you're charging us this much for rice, we're going to charge you this much for rice. It's not even based on reciprocity in terms of you're charging us this much as a country on average, we're going to do this. It's based on some sort of calculation that is the trade deficit divided by the imports of the country. And you know, that is kind of numbers out of nowhere. And by the way, you know, even if you're not charging us tariffs, there's a 10% across the board minimum. So it makes no sense in terms of this, this concept of reciprocity and how all of this was calculated. So I think that's part of the frustration. It's not that, you know, a specific, you know, tariffs are bad or tariffs aren't. It's the approach is the communication. And frankly just a lot of the conflicting statements around tariffs that I think is causing a lot of the consternation. And unfortunately it's become very politicized. Depending on which side of the aisle you're on, you're going to make an argument in many cases that you would never make if it was happening on the other side of the aisle.
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Carol Roth
Right. And as you point out, since it's not a one to one reciprocity, you charge us 10%, so we'll charge you that much. That opens the door for negotiation with dozens of countries. So now each one of us has to come back. And does the Trump administration, you think, even have the bandwidth for that? Is there any possibility that this is just an opening salve salvo?
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Glenn Greenwald
I do think, and I certainly at this point hope that this is more art of the deal. And what happens is that there are probably in my guess, a small concession made somewhere with a handful of key players, and then everything across the board kind of falls from there. Everybody declares massive victory and all the people who've been making arguments that are now going to end up in conflict with that resolution, you know, suddenly those arguments go out the window. So that is the hope. But the longer term concern, and I think you can see this in the markets, is, you know, a, how long does this last? Because, you know, the Trump team seems very committed to this. And then also just the general uncertainty. It's very difficult for businesses big and small alike to make decisions about investment, about hir, about running their country when things change on a dime. It's just not a constructive environment. And this is something that impacts everybody. So if we're going to talk about making America great again and we're going to talk about America first, that needs to be part of the equation. You cannot just look one specific piece and not see how it relates to every other aspect of the economy. And so, you know, if you are a company that all of a sudden decoupled from China in the last couple of years because you thought you were doing the right thing, because we said that, you know, China is not our friend and you moved your manufacturing to Vietnam. Now you just found out that you're going to get hit with a 46% tariff. No good deed goes unpunished. It's very difficult to operate under those kinds of constraints.
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Carol Roth
Right.
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Natalie Morris
Well, it's so, and it's interesting, obviously the people who hate these tariffs are saying that this is going to collapse a number of countries currencies, that there's going to be a high rate of panic. And when investors sense panic, they kind of run. You know, they don't walk, they run. The US dollar sank more than 2% against the euro, the Japanese yen. This was frank. Oil and gold both fell, but also we saw, you know, gold prices surging. So I'm not exactly sure where some of this is shaking out, but it seems to be just a lot of uncertainty. And there seems to be, to your point about the communications piece, kind of haphazardness as it relates to some world leaders like Trump cozying up to Mark Carney in Canada. And I don't understand that. You know, where it's like, I know there's this weird sort of throw things at a wall appeal. It seems like right now cozying up to Canada, cozying up to Mark Carney, liberal in Canada and allowing them to kind of get off the hook and then kind of walking it back and then going back again. So there's a lot of uncertainty right now. I can speak to people who've had stuff stuck at the border, like the Canadian customs, they've stuffed, shoved, is just shoved there, stuck there. They don't know what to do right now.
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Glenn Greenwald
Well, I know small businesses who even before yesterday were getting absolutely crushed. You know, we had a 20% tariff already on China and normally it would take, you know, to say bring in like $500,000 worth of goods. It might cost you four figures to bring that container in. But when you now have a 20% tariff on top of those goods, it costs six figures to bring that container in. And no, China is not paying for that. That is the small business paying for it. So either they put that out to their customers, which ends up making it more expensive for individuals, or they try to eat that and over time, you know, it ends up putting that company out of business. And that is American jobs. It's also customers from overseas who are bringing their money into the United States to buy the company's products. So again, everything is interconnected and there isn't enough thought given. How does this impact, you know, Main street, even something like the stock market? Because they're going to be a lot of people who don't care about Wall street and say, well you know, these fat cats, they've been getting rich. But again, that comes back to Main street because when people's 401ks and pensions are going down, they feel less wealthy, they make fewer purchases, that impacts the ability again to hire and invest and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. And again in context, we are in a position of very precari financial position that the Biden administration left us in. So if we all of a sudden end up in a recession because we're not getting receipts from capital gains on the stock market and we're not getting, you know, the same kind of bump of growth of the economy and we don't take in as much in revenue at the government level. That could actually explode the deficit to GDP and put us into a debt spiral. So all of these things again are interconnected. And Clayton, I want to point out one thing because you said something in sort of the passing and I don' even know if you realized how important it was, but the dollar is down, the 10 year yield is down. And these are actually objectives of the Trump administration. It's something that they have been trying to affect. So there's part of me that believes that that is part of the reason we're seeing this heavy handed approach is to get these down so that we can have some sort of grand Mar a lago accord and reset the financial landscape. Because right now, you know, we cannot go on pay more for interest than we can for our defects.
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Natalie Morris
Hold on. So there's been a lot of speculate. You bring up a great point. But there's been a lot of speculation that this is an intentional move. We know the 10 year yield, we talked about that yesterday on the show. They're trying to get that number down. Right. You're right about that. But there's been a lot of speculation. They're trying to in many ways torpedo the US Dollar.
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Glenn Greenwald
Correct.
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Natalie Morris
And maybe even push it back to a gold standard once again, using this as a way sort of, I don't know, like a Trojan horse plan here. Do you buy into that?
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Glenn Greenwald
So if you go back and you listen to Secretary of the Treasury Scott Besant and some of the things that he said before he was part of the Trump administration. There is a specific speech that he gave at the Manhattan Institute, I believe, last June. And he's talking about the fact that, you know, we are at the precipice of this new global order and he sees that there is going to be a, you know, some sort of a reset needed and that he would like to be a part of it. So he's already been sniffing around that. He's also, if you looked at comments that he made probably a month or a month and a half ago, you know, he said he was going to, you know, monetize our assets better, which led many of us to speculate that, you know, he was talking about writing up gold and increasing it on our balance sheet to at least your current pricing. If not, you know, having some sort of an accord that makes it higher. Now he since said oh that's not what he meant. But just because the politicians say that's not what they meant doesn't mean that that's what they meant. So there, there are deeper things for sure in play here. But my, you know my opinion is that from a choreography standpoint I still think that not causing the chaos and panic and you're doing the things that will unleash the growth side of the equation from the deregulation standpoint, you know, the tax certainty standpoint and the like is the right way to then also be able to attitude to do these other things. And that this order of operations may seem trivial but based on the tight financial situation that we have, it's very, very critical.
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Carol Roth
Well, thank you so much for your, for your insight because if you follow Carol on X she's, she's a voice of reason. She doesn't panic but she definitely gives you your opinion. And you know during the last, especially five years following her analysis of what the Biden administration did to us during the pandemic, what the goal was of globalists through her books you will own nothing. The war on small business really one of my favorite voices in finance. So thanks for coming back on redacted. We've missed ya.
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Natalie Morris
Thanks Carol.
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Glenn Greenwald
Appreciate you guys. If I could just plug quickly. I also have a free economic newsletter@carolroth.com news so if you want to be educated grab that there too.
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Natalie Morris
Oh there it is on the screen. CarolRoth.com News There you go Carol, great to see you. Thank you so much. And yeah if we look at the Wall Street Journal this afternoon, I mean a Philip if you want to take this if you can. So stocks suffering their biggest one day wipeout in value since March of 2020. NASDAQ slides 6% S P tumbles 5% Dow Industrials 1600 points. Gold down about a half a point right now. It did hit all time highs but now gold has dropped about like 17 worth down to about 3 100. But yeah, you can see what's happening right now. Now it's a lot of, a lot of uncertainty I think is what's going on.
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Carol Roth
Everyone's scared. So I feel a little like okay, let's, let's see how this is going to play out. I'm not going to make big plans right now. I'm hoping for maybe some low interest rates in the future if the market's going to tumble like this. Yeah, we're all like what do we do?
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Natalie Morris
Well like we said you know in front of the show, Anthony Pompliano yesterday said, like this is. And he actually in his newsletter today said, this is fantastic for the American economy, you know, bringing manufacturing back home, leveling the playing field. So I'm there for that. I mean, if that's going to happen. But you know, we'll have to see how all of these, if there's panic, and that's the thing I worry about too, is if the panic leads to poor decisions, you know, if they're just reacting or they make some, you know, stupid reactionary measures. We'll have to see about that. All right, well, we've got more news to get to because we're going to talk about deportations and due process. And our friend Glenn Greenwald is going to be joining us in just a little bit to talk about all of that. Maybe that the idea of due process, you know, we are a country of laws. Is that getting lost in all of these deportations, certainly no one wants violent criminals in the United States. But how do we handle that at a, at a legal level? We're going to talk about that coming up.
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Carol Roth
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Clayton Morris
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Carol Roth
Well, Israel says they are working with the US to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities in the next few weeks and they especially love President Trump. This is a quote from an Israeli source to the Daily Mail. From Israel's perspective, with Trump in the White House, this represents the optimum moment to deal with Iran. There won't be a better chance. So their assessment is that Trump is super down bombing join them in a in a war with Iran. Now journalist Glenn Greenwald joins us from System Update. He's a fellow Rumble creator and also a YouTuber and has been talking about the ever increasing war drum of war with Iran. So what is your assessment, Glenn, of this? Trump is our bestie. We're going to carry out this, we're going to rumble, basically. We're going to carry out this war.
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Lionel
Well, of course it's ironic in the sense that a lot of MAGA supporters, Trump supporters were very excited about the prospect that Trump would be president because he frequently boasted, I think justifiably so know that he was the first president in decades not to involve the United States in a new war, which was true in his first term. And in general, people are tired of Middle east wars saying we don't want to continue to involve ourselves militarily. We want to use the resources to support Americans and improve life in the United States. And yet as soon as Trump's in office, barely a month in, he restarts Biden's bombing campaign against Yemen and escalates it. And a huge number of Trump supporters start approving of it and applauding it, even though J.D. vance and that secret signal group said, we don't have any interest here. We have very little traffic that actually goes through the Suez Canal. It's the Europeans and the Israelis who have an interest in this bombing campaign, but not the United States. An American first argument. It was disregarded. We're now involved in a new Middle east war there. And now you have Trump overtly threatening to bomb Israel, to bomb Iran, rather. Israel's, you know, kind of main priority forever has been to get the United States to attack Iran, which it considers to be its primary enemy in the Middle East. You never really know with Trump when he's threatening somebody, whether he's doing it because he intends to follow through or because he perceives it as a way to get better negotiating leverage. He said he wants to re sign an Iran deal, a deal about their nuclear weapons. We already had a deal, but he nullified in the first term. He says he wants a better deal. Could be just leverage. But when you start explicitly threatening to bomb a country and make plans to bomb a country that is flirting with serious danger in a way that I think we were told Trump wasn't going to do.
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Unknown Speaker
Right.
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Natalie Morris
I mean, it threatens Americans. Right. And it threatens the 50,000Americans who are stationed in those bases all throughout the Middle East. And you're right, he has done this in the past. In his first administration, of course, he famously, you know, slammed North Korea, said, we're going to bomb North Korea, called him rocket man, and then they ended up kind of sending each other love letters, you'll recall, like Kim Jong Un was sending, like, President Trump letters on a regular basis as declaring him a really good friend and all of this. So it could be just bluster, but at the heart of it is 50,000Americans stationed at these bases all throughout the Middle east, which in many ways are just sitting ducks.
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Lionel
Yeah, I mean, they've been attacked before by forces in the Middle east in response to US Aided attacks by Israel or by other countries. We have bases still in Syria, in Iraq. We have a lot of troops still deployed in the Middle east for whatever reasons. We also have a lot of oil interests there. I mean, oil companies and US Government installations that could easily be attacked by the Iranians. Well, the Iranians are not a joke of a country. They're three times larger than Iraq. And Iraq tied down the United States in, in. In that invasion for more than a decade. It has a much better military, a much more developed, sophisticated military than certainly almost every other country in the Middle east, with the exception of Israel. So, like I said, you're really flirting with real danger. I do think Trump wants his legacy to be, as he's said many times, as a peacemaker. I think you're seeing that in his attempts. We'll see if they're successful to end the war in Russia and Ukraine. But if I'm being totally honest, the reality is, is that his administration is filled with people who are fanatically pro Israel. One of his biggest donors, Miriam Adelson, is an Israeli. She was naturalized as an American citizen, has made no bones about the fact that her primary issue is not the United States, but Israel. And there are a lot of people who want him to get involved more in the Middle east militarily, not for the benefit of the United States, but for the benefit of Israel. That's just the reality.
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Carol Roth
Right. And we just can't read the tea leaves because we know he's no fan of Netanyahu. So. But the Netanyahu government continues to praise Trump as if they're, you know, they're leading them by the nose. Now, recently you reported that Israel is also setting the agenda for deporting Israel critics. Can you tell us more about that and what you found?
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Lionel
Sure. So we know, and it's been a lot of news, I'm sure you guys have talked about it, that there have been multiple students, grad students, Ph.D. students, Fulbright scholars who have been in the United States legally, not illegally, but legally, and the State Department decided to, in secret, with no hearing, no accusations of any kind, cancel their visa in secret. It. And now suddenly they're in the United States illegally. And then ICE agents show up, plain clothes with plain unmarked cars to detain people, snatch them off the street, take them out of their apartment, and send them to a detention camp in Louisiana, which they're sending them there because they think judges will be more deferential. And the question has always been, like, how are they choosing which students to target? I mean, there was this case of a. A PhD student who's Turkish, born in. In who just got snapped off the street in Tufts. Not only wasn't she an organizer of any student protest, there's no evidence that she even participated in one. She certainly never, you know, vandalized a building or attacked Jewish students or threatened Jewish students or occupied a building. The only thing she did is write an op ed with three other tough students in the tough newspaper, calling the administration to honor the student senate vote to. To divest from Israel. Just distance the. The College from Israel, which is, you know, you don't have to agree, but it's a totally peaceful and constitutional legal way of expressing yourself. And what we've determined and have been able to discover is that there are two very shady groups, so ties, deep ties to Israel, the Canary Project and this group called Batar, that are openly collecting these lists, public, putting them on the Internet, creating dossiers on people they regard as anti Israel or anti Semitic or, or pro Hamas or pro terrorist, all of which means criticizing Israel. And they have confirmed that they're sending these lists to Homeland Security, to the State Department. And the State Department is using those lists, at least in part, to determine who can stay in our country or who can't. In other words, the Israeli government and pro Israel funders are the ones making that decision for the government of the United States.
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Natalie Morris
And of course, free speech is at the center of this. You saw this week in Congress, testifying before Congress, these rabbis who are saying, it's not enough for you to be anti Semitic, you need to be anti anti Semitic. And also trying to classify antisemitism in a different category from other forms of discrimination. So if you're black, you're Asian. No, no, no. Anti Semitism rises to a higher level than any of your grievances. What did you make of Congress this week in that. Those hearings?
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Lionel
Well, this is exactly what's going on. I mean, I've listened to conservatives, you know, I've had them on my show. I've been in agreement with them as they mocked all of these victimhood narratives from minority groups. The idea that they have to have speech codes to protect them from hearing ideas that make them unsafe, that we have to look at minority groups as endangered and vulnerable. The United States is being a system, systematically racist country against them, therefore they need extra protections. These were all ideas that conservative viciously mocked, shocked when it came from literally every other minority group. And now this is exactly the narrative that they're invoking in favor of one minority group in particular, which, if you look at, you know, just the data, you could argue they're the least marginalized and least discriminated against group in the United States. I'm. I am Jewish. I grew up in the United States. I was surrounded in the Jewish community, was raised in it. So I understand the kind of mindset at play here. But that has become the narrative. And it's not only suppressing the speech of foreign students. The Trump administration is doing things like demanding expanded hate speech codes at colleges to radically expand the definition of anti Semitism to include a whole range of common criticisms of Israel. These universities now are afraid of the government, they're afraid of losing the research funds. So they're canceling speakers. That's cancel culture that the right also vehemently denounces who might come to campus and talk about what's happening in Gaza. It is an incredibly repressive atmosphere that has been deliberately cultivated in our academic institutions, which have always been the best in the world, always behind the innovation that has driven the United States prosperity, precisely because it's a place where free flow of ideas is guaranteed, where academic freedom is offered. And those are the values now being directly threatened.
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Carol Roth
Well, Jewish people who say such things are being called radical.
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Natalie Morris
You're a radical, Glenn.
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Carol Roth
Especially on Fox News, when they talk about Jews for Peace, they're literally calling them radicals. When do this repeat or, or self.
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Lionel
Hating or, or self hating or, you know, I mean, it's exactly what liberals used to tell black still tell Black people or LGBTs who are not loyal to the Democratic party or who are conservative, who over Trump, oh, you're an Uncle Tom. You're self hating, you're mentally ill, you hate your own people, as though being black or LGBT requires you to support one of the two parties. This is what they tell Jews. If you're not, not loyal to Israel, if you don't revere Israel, if you don't think the United States should finance Israel's military in wars, then it means that you are self hating, that you, even though you're Jewish or anti Semitic, it's exactly the same playbook, which I.
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Carol Roth
May point out is racist. If you tell somebody because of your race, class, religion, or skin color, you must think this way. That's racism. So, yeah, you can't think for yourself, apparently.
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Lionel
Yeah, exactly. And that's, you know, that's what liberals have always believed is there are these minority groups that they believe they own and are entitled to their obedience. And nothing is more vicious than when one of the members of those minority groups rises up and dissents and demands the right to think for themselves and to say what they believe. You will never see anything more vicious than a liberal attacking a member of the minority groups that they think they own when they're disobedient. But this is exactly what's being done here. It's incredibly reductive. Oh, you're Jewish, you're an American citizen who's Jewish. Therefore you have to have a particular view of our foreign policy toward this foreign country. On the other side of the World, it's. Where does this obligation come from? But you know, as I said, it's very mirror image tactics.
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Natalie Morris
Yeah, it's, it's so strange to me that this is the one sort of untouchable. You cannot talk about this. If you talk about this immediately, you're an anti Semite, even if, even if.
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Carol Roth
You'Re Jewish or just noticing my own reaction, I was like, oh, he's saying that, it's scary. And then you saying, well, I'm Jewish. And I felt a little better. What is the program? Yeah, it's a shield.
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Lionel
It's a license.
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Carol Roth
Right?
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Lionel
It's a license, but it shouldn't be. You guys are American citizens. You have the absolute right to comment on this country. You know, Israel is the country to whom the United States has given far more money than any other country over the last three decades. We tie ourselves to them in the Middle east. And in any event, you should be able to have whatever views you want. This is the other irony is that the main grievance of the right about liberals and leftists is that the minute that you disagree with them, them, they call you a racist in order to destroy your reputation. To intimidate people out of disagreeing with them. Go say something negative about Israel, critical of Israel, question why the United States finances Israel, and count down the seconds until those very same people who complain about that tactic call you a racist or an anti Semite. It's, it's amazing that people can vehemently denounce a tactic one day and then embrace and invoke the same exact tactic the next. It's, it's amazing to watch much.
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Natalie Morris
Right, or don't understand history beyond October 7th. You know, you know, they'll throw that out there as like an invective as well. Don't you understand what happened on October 7th? So that therefore justifies genocide of 50,000 people like you? You must. No, no, you can go back in history, way, way back in history. Beyond that, how about to the United States and Israel funding and essentially creating Hamas? Can we talk about that or is that off limits too?
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Lionel
You can't talk about limits. Sorry.
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Carol Roth
Yeah.
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Lionel
And you know, you can find articles throughout 2023. You don't even have to go that far back in history. You can find articles throughout 2023 continuously before October 7, where Israel was bombarding, bombing the west bank and Gaza, killing huge numbers of innocent people, killing children, killing babies. The conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians did not begin on October 7th.
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Natalie Morris
Right. It's ridiculous, but people have such Short memories, just like they think the Ukraine war started on 2022. On February of 2020.
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Lionel
Exactly.
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Natalie Morris
Glenn Greenwald, host of System Update here on Rumble. Great to see you, my friend. Excellent work as always. One of the greatest journalists in the world. Thank you, Glenn. Great to see you.
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Lionel
Always good to be on your show. Good to see you guys. Thanks so much.
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Natalie Morris
Thanks, Glenn. So great to talk with him as always and a clear headed voice in all of this. So if you ever want to get some clear headedness about a topic, check in with Glenn because he'll set you straight.
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Carol Roth
Never miss an episode.
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Natalie Morris
All right, coming up here, we're going to talk about, well, we'll have some fun and then we're going to dive into a little bit more serious topics. But we're going to talk about this feminist fail. You know, I don't have the blue origin spaceship is going up and it's going to have an all female crew, but they're actually not touching any of the controls. They're going to be on board, but they're being called a crew.
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Carol Roth
So Katy Perry is an astrophysicist now apparently.
- [36:02]
Natalie Morris
Yeah, we're going to talk about that.
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Carol Roth
She can put that on her resume.
- [36:04]
Natalie Morris
We're also going to talk about Colorado's misgender law coming up here in a second. But first let's talk about this because as you know, the turmoil right now happening with tariffs sent gold prices surging over the past 24 hours up to like $3,100 an ounce. It dropped this dropped this afternoon about half a point or so. So about down about $17 but still 30$100 an ounce. That's an all time high. It was just below $3,000 just a short time ago. Silver price is down as well. Well, which is good news right now if you're interested in investing in precious metals because now you can get silver at a price that you wouldn't otherwise be able to get it. It was at a 13 year high. It just dropped a little bit. Anyway, all that to say in my mind. In fact, I had a friend reach out to me yesterday, a longtime friend. He texted me and he said we're seriously about to invest in gold and silver. I just do not want our dollars sitting in US Dollars anymore. And was talking to him about gold and silver and investing with our friends over at Lear Capital because they do such a fantastic job. They're an American company company. Get on the phone with them right now. They have a new report out that has a gold target of $4,200 an ounce. And as Carol Roth was talking about earlier, if Trump reclassifies gold prices to at least the modern standard of what they are, that's like $48, I think in Fort Knox. Reclassifying it at $3,100 or even $5,000 an ounce could dramatically change things. All that to say I'm a big proponent of making sure that some of your US Dollars are invested in precious metals to protect you and your family. Family from the volatility that we see gold and silver have sustained for 5,000 years through the failure of government currencies up and down, fiat currencies have all collapsed, all of them in world history, and gold and silver have sustained. So even if you just put a portion of your savings into precious metals, in my opinion, it's a smart move. But call our friends at Lear Capital today. They'll help you. They're an American company. Just get on the phone. They're an education company first. So they'll just walk you through the process. There's no pressure at all. They'll just send you that free gold report and have a conversation with you. And if it's right for you, of course, you can have gold coins, silver coins, shipped right to your house, kept in your gun safe, or you can store it off site in a facility that's under guard 24. 7. Call their 800 number, 1-800-613-3557, for your free guide or just go to the website learedacted.com that's learredacted.com.
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Carol Roth
All right. Well, we are being invited to be inspired by these women here on the COVID of Elle magazine this month because they are the quote all star lineup of Blue Origin's historic all female space crew. It is manufactured feminism and it makes me a little mad, to be honest. They are billing themselves as the crew of this aircraft. The first. First all female crew. Now, can we discuss this word for a minute? When you board a plane, are you the crew? No. You are a passenger. The crew is typically defined as the personnel responsible for operating and managing an aircraft during a flight. But the Blue Origin rocket that these gals will be on flies itself. You see this here? This is the new Shepherd. And according to Blue Origin's website, it is fully autonomous. There are no pilots. There is only a crew capsule for six people. So the people sit and ride it. They do not operate.
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Natalie Morris
Do they just sit in the tip?
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Carol Roth
Yes. Yeah. In the. It is had. It has been called the sort of penis looking. Okay, yeah.
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Natalie Morris
All right.
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Carol Roth
That's where they sit, where these ladies.
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Natalie Morris
How long are these flights, just out of curiosity?
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Carol Roth
Oh, good question. Six minutes, 11 minutes?
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Natalie Morris
Minutes depends. Depends on how you feel that day. Because I was going to say, like, if it was, like, long term, they'd give up as soon as they realize they have to poop in a bag.
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Carol Roth
Like, you should go poo before it's 11 minutes. And only four of those minutes are you actually in orbit.
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Natalie Morris
So these are very brave. These are Gayle King. She's a brave woman, right?
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Carol Roth
And so I'm sure there are things they'll need to know. Safety briefings. Like when you get on a plane and you need to look at the safety stewardess, do this. And you know all of that, right? So I'm sure they'll get some more extensive safety briefings. But there is no minimum knowledge requirement. They didn't have to pass a test. They didn't have to go to astronaut school. They're not astronauts. They're not a crew. They are passengers. All six of these ladies were chosen by Lauren Sanchez. You know, she's the fiance of Jeff Bezos, who own owns Blue Origin because of their, quote, proven ability to inspire others. Really? Katy Perry inspires others. I want you to just, if you'd like, go down the rabbit hole and just look up Katy Perry humiliation ritual. And then you get back to me on her ability to inspire. Now, CBS News anchor Gayle King, who's most famous, famous for being the best friend of Oprah, she says she doesn't want to go because she's terrified. Watch.
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G
I have to tell you, I'm so afraid.
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Natalie Morris
Stop, Gail.
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Carol Roth
I am.
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G
I'm so afraid. But I'm also so excited about it.
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Carol Roth
It's.
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Unknown Speaker
It.
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G
When they asked me and they asked me around Thanksgiving, I was like, no, no, no. Then I started thinking about it. I met with favorite daughter Kirby. Favorite son, Will, Oprah. That's my kitchen cabinet. They will all be there that day with their spouses. And I just thought, what a unique opportunity. And then yesterday, I met the crew. We're now the crew. We're on a text chain together. And their stories are so amazing. When Aisha was told, your dreams are too big, somebody else was told, women, don't go in. We'll introduce you later. But one mom said her son when he was a little boy, and she said she was going to space. Her. His kids at school said, you're a liar, because moms don't go to space. And now she's going, somebody else is a sexual assault survivor. Katy Perry is just. She's a different kind of dude. She comes from a totally different planet. It's been her lifelong dream. Lauren Sanchez, we all know, you know, she flies helicopter pilots, She's a philanthropist, she's an author. We know, of course, that she's engaged to Jeff Bezos. So all these people, this has been their dream. This was never my dream.
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Natalie Morris
Yes, but, Gail.
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G
It was never my dream. And somebody said, well, maybe you need to have new dreams. Gail.
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Lionel
No, but Gail, actually, that's great advice, and I think it's so awesome.
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G
You know, I don't know how to explain being terrified and excited at the same time. It's like how I felt about. About to deliver a baby.
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Carol Roth
Okay, no, this is not like when you're about to deliver a baby. That's. That's not.
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Natalie Morris
Bombs don't go to space.
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Carol Roth
Really.
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Natalie Morris
Things that were. Things that were never said for a thousand.
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Carol Roth
Yeah, I think you do that. Go into labor, which is horrid because you love your family and because it's a unique ability that women have. Anyone, even a dog can sit in the blue origin rocket. So that's not at all like having a baby. I say no to that, and it kind of pisses me off. Now, this line from the L profile really had me. They said, based on the statistics of women in space exploration, it is evident that representation is needed. Why is this problem? Right. Exactly. For four minutes.
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Natalie Morris
Wait a minute.
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Carol Roth
In a plane that they don't fly, why is it a problem that women are underrepresented in space exploration? They frame this as, you know, us riding this rocket ship will help other young girls want to do more men math. I fail to see that connection, because they didn't build this rocket. It was built by men. And it will be run by men in a disproportionately male run company. That's just the way it is. That's just it. I don't see it as a problem.
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Natalie Morris
Turns out, like a lot of men, young men, like to make rockets.
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Carol Roth
Yeah.
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Natalie Morris
You know, and that's kind of, you know, a career trajectory for a lot of young men who were out in the backyard with their. One of the Estes. Right. Rockets growing up, you know, and you'd set cornfields on fire, and then you'd burn, and then the police would come and the fire department would come after you launched your estus rockets and everything caught on fire. I mean, I'm not speaking from experience or anything, but this is like a normal thing for young boys to go through.
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Carol Roth
And right so is it a problem that too many men built this rocket that you now say is safe? And are you taking credit for that? Saying, yes, look at us, we're all female, we're riding it. But the men built it and are engineering it and will man it.
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Natalie Morris
Why don't they? Why don't they man, why don't they control it instead? Instead of sitting in it, put like six men in there and have the women go to the control room and just wing it and see if they can launch their.
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Carol Roth
They won't go on it then, right? They would only go on it if the current experts are there. And this was made all the more apparent with all this makeup talk in the article. Like, oh, we're going to be the first ones there with our hair and makeup done in space. And Katy Perry saying, we're going to put the ass in astronaut. We're going to look so good up there. It's going to be glam. Finally. And Lauren Sanchez saying, well, my eyelashes are going to stay on because I glue them on. So the blast off. Even if it wouldn't. That be amazing. If you see her live stream with like the lashes all over the place.
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Natalie Morris
Oh, they have a close up. And I bet she'll wear instead of like an astronaut suit, she's going to have some low cut top on so you can see her.
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Carol Roth
I was wondering about that silicon breast with like all the way up to here. I'm sure she has frostbite bite. And then now like, are you actually going to wear the suit all buttoned up? You're going to allow us to see you not looking like that? And then another one was like, well, I'm going to wear lipstick. One of these non celebrity passengers. So, you know, this brand of feminism is as fake as it gets. And it's made worse by these women pretending that they've had accomplishments by riding it. That they're so accomplished. A rocket made. Made in man by mostly men. I wonder which one charade is this fake feminist dribble.
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Natalie Morris
I wonder which one's going to be.
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H
One small step for women, one giant.
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Natalie Morris
Step for womankind, for mankind. Oh, shoot, I screwed that up. Can we do that again? For men, for women kind.
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Carol Roth
Look at us girls were women up here. This is world girl bossing and taking the accomplishments of men. Go ahead.
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Natalie Morris
I'd just like to state for the record, I've been on several boats, so I'm now to be referred to as Admiral.
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Unknown Speaker
Admiral Philip, thank you very much.
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Natalie Morris
Yeah, just because you were on them. But they Were not. They were not crewed by you. Right. You were just on the boat.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, I mean, if I was on.
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Natalie Morris
The boat, then obviously I was part of the crew.
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Carol Roth
He's the crew.
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Unknown Speaker
And I was.
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Natalie Morris
You are the crew. My question is, if they are the crew, then. Then what if something goes wrong, right? Like Apollo 13. So now.
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Carol Roth
Or like Space Camp.
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Natalie Morris
Well, no, no. Now you've got to deal with it, right?
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Lionel
Yeah.
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Natalie Morris
You get launched into space like Apollo 13 or Space Camp. And now. Now this. This group of Katy Perry and Gayle King and Lauren Sanchez have to come together. This is. I'm already coming up with a Hollywood movie on this, so something goes wrong.
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Carol Roth
No, you're not. This is literally the plot of Space Camp, where they have to talk through it. River Phoenix and Jinx.
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Natalie Morris
Yeah, but those are men. We needed the D. We need the DEI version.
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Carol Roth
Leah Thompson's in that movie.
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Natalie Morris
Oh, okay. Well, we need the DEI version of it now. In 2024.
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Carol Roth
And Kelly Preston. They both went to space. We don't need representation.
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Natalie Morris
They're gonna figure it out. Don't forget. Like, all they'll have to do is ask Alexa, also female, because it's an Amazon run. Yeah. Very good. Yeah, I like that.
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Carol Roth
All right, let us know what you think of this. Are they astronauts? Are they taking the accomplishment? Are you buying this fake feminist? Let us know, and if you are, why? All right, coming up, we're going to talk about Colorado's misgender law. And then we're also going to talk. Talk about what the heck is the deal with this Epstein story, this new Epstein accuser story. Was she hurt? Does she have credibility? What's going on with the Diddy lawsuits? Let us know what you think of that.
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Natalie Morris
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Natalie Morris
Well, you know, some days when you wake up, it feels like the world has gone mad. Well, nowhere is that more apparent right now and more evident than in the state of Colorado this week, where the Colorado House committee has voted seven to four to pass a crazy transgender bill that makes misgendering a discriminatory act. Even worse, it takes children away from parents who dead name or misgender a child, and it pushes crazy gender ideology in all schools, including private and charter schools. Not surprisingly, I know this might come as A shock to many of you that every Democrat voted for this, this madness. But someone who's brave and actually cares about children and cares about Colorado families is GOP Representative Jarvis Caldwell from Colorado's 20th House District. He voted no on that, this, and we just peeled him away from the House floor because they've been in middle of all sorts of fights right now down on the House. Representative Caldwell, thanks for joining us.
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H
Thanks so much for having me. I really appreciate you covering this topic.
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Natalie Morris
Yeah, it's outrageous. I mean, it's not just about Colorado. I mean, this is a madness that has, of course, permeated the United States of America and pushing this gender ideology into our children at the school level. So just at a nuanced level, can you just talk about how this builds would affect families?
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H
Yeah, absolutely. So this bill has nine different sections to it. So it actually has a very wide range of what it's trying to do with this transgender ideology nonsense. So the, the first, the, the first portion of the bill, as you mentioned, it has to do with custody. And what it does is it, it directs courts to give the paramount consideration is the word they use, but basically give preference in a custody dispute to the parent who affirms the gender of the child instead of the parent who maybe wants to get the, the child treatment. And you know, at its core, I, I'm a bit cynical. From all I've seen here in Colorado, I think that is the goal. I think the goal is to no longer allow you to try to get treatment because in order to try to give your child treatment, you have to in a sense, misgender them and tell them, no, you're not really that other gender. We're going to take you to the doctor or a counselor or we're going to try to get you treatment. But what this bill is saying is if a parent is doing that and not recognizing or affirming that gender, then that is the same as child abuse. But the word they use is coercive control. And the definition of that, it's, it's child abuse. So they're saying you're abusing your child by not affirming their gender. So that's just the first portion of the bill. There's a school aspect to it as well, as you had mentioned, and that's a Section 5. So to give you background, I'm a charter school board member down in Colorado Springs and we have a gender based dress code which is we have boys uniforms and girls uniforms. Now if a child wants, say it's a biological boy and he wants to wear girls uniform by law in Colorado, we can't necessarily refuse that. But there's a process. We bring the parents in, we sit down, down, we discuss it in. And if in the end that's what the parent wants by Colorado law, we can't deny that. What this is saying, what this bill is saying, you can't even create a gender based dress code anymore. And in committee, I specifically asked the bill sponsor, Lorena Garcia, this. I said, when you're saying we can't create one, you're saying we can no longer have boys uniforms and girls uniforms. And she said, yes, that's correct. And I said, so the, the flyer that we give out with approved clothing for boys and approved clothing for girls, what you're saying is we just have to have a flyer that just has a bunch of articles of clothes and say where? Wear whatever you want. And she said, yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. There's another aspect of this bill and it's section three. And what it says is if Colorado will not recognize court rulings from other states, if it has to do with the one parent bringing the child to Colorado to get gender affirming care. So think about a situation like this. You're in Kansas, you have two parents. One of this, one of the parents brings a child to do gender affirming care in Colorado because it's, it's pretty much the wild west here and there's no rules on it. And let's say this, this Kansas, the state of Kansas has a court ruling that says the, the custody belongs to this other parent that's still in Kansas. You have to bring that child back. This bill is saying no, basically what we're calling it like is like a transgender sanctuary state. They're saying we won't recognize that. And that goes directly against Article 4, Section 1 of the U. S. Constitution, which is also known as the full faith and credit clause, which says states must honor and recognize and abide by by court rulings in different states. So that's another aspect to it. And then the, the last very big piece of this bill is about the Colorado anti discrimination act. And what it says is you can't misgender somebody in a place of public accommodation. And if you look up the colorado anti discrimination act, a place of public accommodation, you know, the word public is in there, but what it actually means is private businesses. It, it means, means and there's a list in there. I mean hotels, restaurants, airports, anywhere. And so if you are a business owner and you misgender someone, you can be in violation of the Anti Discrimination Act.
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Natalie Morris
So if you have an employee who is one day dressing up as a girl, the next day decides to be a boy and you call that person by their former biological name, you could be descript, you could face, you could face all sorts of problems. I mean, what, what kind of penalties are we looking at for a business owner?
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H
Absolutely. So you could face like civil liabilities. Much like, if you recall the Jack Phillips case here in Colorado. Right. Which is, is a, in my opinion, a First Amendment free speech case. And, and what they're saying, apparently Colorado has learned nothing because that the Jack Phillips case is here in Colorado.
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Natalie Morris
Right.
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H
The baker who refused to bake a cake for certain individuals. And what we're now saying is, is we're basically ignoring that and saying, okay, we're going to apply this to all businesses. It's, I, I don't understand how the bill sponsors can think it's. Any bit of this is constitutional. This is definitely going to drive lawsuit. I, I was confident that this bill was going to die in the appropriations portion, the Appropriations Committee, which is where it goes after it went to the Judiciary Committee, where I heard it, because it had a fourteen million dollar price tag. Thirteen or fourteen million dollar price tag. So in committee, what they did was they amended out that portion and brought it down to $0. And that means that it doesn't have to go through appropriations anymore. And Colorado has a 1.2 billion dollar budget deficit right now, so it would have certainly died in appropriations. But because they removed the fiscal number note, it's no longer going there. So I don't really see any roadblock for it to go all the way to the governor's desk at this point.
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Natalie Morris
And Jared Polis will likely sign it. I mean, clearly he's going to be running for president. I think it's pretty clear to most of us who watch Colorado politics that, so Governor Polis will likely sign this thing and this will become the law of the land. And then of course, this is going to be probably fought in the Supreme Court because, well, you have President Trump's executive order, which forbids key pieces of this. So they're moving forward with it regardless of what President Trump's executive order has signed.
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H
Yeah, I would love to see President Trump and, and I should just say we, we have Republican congressional members here and I, I don't want to speak for them, but they're, they're either already aware of this or they're going to be made aware of this. And what I would like to see is, is pressure coming down from the White House on Jared Polis saying, if you sign this into law, you're in violation of my eos, you're violating the, the rights of parents. You're violating school choice. You're, you're, you're violating First Amendment rights. You're violating the full faith and credit clause. This is going to put certain things in jeopardy for you if you sign this. And maybe that pressures Governor Polis to not sign it, which would be my hope. But, you know, I, I think with Jared Polis's political ambitions, future political ambitions, to run for president, because I think you're absolutely correct. I think he will run for president one day. He has to look at how this last presidential election went and think to himself, this is not a winning issue for me. And so I hope maybe that's what convinces him to veto this bill if it comes to that, which obviously I hope doesn't even get that far.
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Natalie Morris
Yeah, I mean, do Coloradans actually want this? I mean, do these Democrats have science on their side somehow that, hey, splitting up families and pushing this crazy gender ideology, you know, we've got the science to back it up. And are Coloradans coming out in the streets saying, yeah, we want this. We want this. We want you. You to destroy families. We want discrimination. We want civil penalties for people who misgender somebody just because, you know, biologically you look like a man. So I called you a man, and now I'm going to be hit with a lawsuit because you look like a man because you have an Adam's apple and you were born a man just because you're dressed. We have to go along with. I'm just so angry. We have to go along with this charade just because you want to wear a dress. Now I need to face civil penalties because I call you a biological man. It's madness. Do Coloradans come. Where do Coloradans come down on this? In your district specifically? I know you don't speak for all of Colorado.
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H
I mean, my district is a. It's a very conservative district. And I can tell you for sure. I, I mean, I ran on parental rights and school choice and, and those kinds of issues, and I, I won pretty overwhelmingly. So I know my district doesn't want this, but frankly, you know, and like you said, I can't speak for all Coloradans, but I, I don't think the majority of Coloradans want this. I think this is one of those Situations where it was a complete like advocacy bill bill. And you, you had certain groups that are very far left pushing this. And, and I brought this point up on, on social media that in, in actually I brought this up in closing arguments too, in committee. We heard a bunch of different people testify in favor of this bill. And they talked about how the stakeholdering went and that they've been working on this bill for over a year. And that completely caught me off guard because this bill was introduced this past Friday on March 28th. 8th. It was introduced on Friday evening after we had left for the day and no one was tracking it, nobody was there and heard it be introduced. And then on Monday afternoon, they just kind of nonchalantly, the chairman of the committee said, oh, and by the way, we're going to HEAR House Bill 1312 tomorrow in committee. And you know, myself and other Republicans were like, What's House Bill 1312? We haven't even heard of this. And then when we went, looked it up, we realized just how crazy this bill was. So we had less than 24 hours to organize and to get our people together to come testify against this. And I mean, I think we had a great showing. There's 220 witnesses and it was split pretty evenly between the fours and against. And so with under 24 hours and they had a whole year to plan for it, I think we, the Coloradans really came out strong, especially parents.
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Natalie Morris
Well, hope we bring more awareness to the story. This could creep up in state houses across the country and I hope that we can put a stop to this madness. And by the way, I should say that the 20th House district in Colorado is lucky to have you as a sane, as a sane member of the, of the state House. Representative Jarvis Caldwell, thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it.
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H
Thank you so much for having me, sir. Appreciate it.
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Carol Roth
It's bonkers, I tell you. It's absolutely bonkers. This is why I tell my kids all the time, do not take surveys in school. No matter what it is. You're not allowed to take surveys about what you think about things. What, what do you do at home? What do you eat? Do you feel they give them a lot of, do you feel, feel supported? No. Surveys? Nope. We're not giving the state any insight into what happens in our house so that they can use it to take you away. So let me know what you think of that. All right. Let's talk about Epstein, shall we? Diddy, the underbelly of our legal system. So on Monday, Virginia Giuffre. She's a prominent accuser of Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrews. She claimed on Instagram that she was involved, involved in a severe car accident in Australia resulting in kidney failure and a prognosis of just four days to live. You know who she is? She's famous. From this photo with Prince Andrew and Jelaine Ghislaine Maxwell in the background. Now, she said she'd been hit by a bus. She posted this photo of herself. She says she's dying. But Western Australia police said that the incident occurred on March 24th and it was a minor crash and there were no reported injuries. Now, the bus driver has been speaking out and saying actually this is what happened and it was not a fatal accident. Her spokesperson letter later said she's in serious condition. But that Instagram post was only supposed to be a private post for Facebook. She didn't mean this. Medical staff later indicated that she's not in a life threatening situation and she's expected to recover. So this raises concerns about her credibility or was this supposed to raise concerns about her credibility? What are we to make of this? Lionel from The Lionel Nation YouTube channel has been following this Epstein case and he joins us to discuss. So what do you make of this now? Her as a, as a main accuser?
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Unknown Speaker
Well, a couple of things. First of all, you said that someone said this wasn't meant to go on Instagram, it was meant for Facebook. Excuse me, what the hell does that mean? Who cares? The issue is did this or did this not happen? That was your answer. Oh, it was meant for Facebook.
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Carol Roth
Okay, well, like her private Facebook account, not for public.
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Unknown Speaker
Either way. Either way, right? This looks like. I thought this was a morgue shot when I first saw it. Lividity, the eyes. I thought, oh my God, they killed her. And I said, no, no, she's in a hospital. Hospital. Check out the picture again. Now here she is, minutes away, days away from death. She's in extremis. She's got a necklace on, she's got earrings on, she's got her long hair, she's wearing a camisole. She has her left breast kind of smooshed up. Now, first of all, every, she has, I think a sticker or something for some kind of telemetry or monitoring. Everybody that I've ever talked to says if you're, if you're in the hospital, you are days away. First of all, you're going to have nothing on that can get in the way. If they have to intubate or take you to the Hospital, you put the gown on. And the gown's not to embarrass you anymore. It's to get to you right away. This is ridiculous. That's number one. Number two, if you read this, remember, ostensibly was written by her. She writes this in an almost jaunty style. All right?
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Carol Roth
Oh.
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Unknown Speaker
She starts off, she says, well, let me tell you something. This has been one hell of a year. And let me tell you, if you've been hit going 110, she says, kilometers. It doesn't matter whether you're in a tin can or whatever. Oh, and by the way. And then she slides into. And I've got four days. I've got renal kidney failure, which is a bit redundant, and they're switched me. Anyway, goodbye, cruel world. I want to kiss my babies. Thanks, everybody. All right, buddy. Thank you. Good night. You know, I'll see you. It is the most bizarre. And I'm thinking, wait a minute. Who. Did somebody get her? This is the most important person in the most important criminal case that has just been rekindled, revitalized by virtue of Pam Bondi doing. I don't know what. They have these files that. I guess we forgot about that. Remember, cash, pencil. And I'm going to make sure that we take all those boxes, by God. Well, we don't know what happened. And when they looked into this, nobody had any record of who she was, where she was. And what got me the most was the complete and total disinterest on the part of the media. They didn't even care. It's like, wait, is she alive? Is that. Did somebody put her up to it? Is she in some. Not safe house? But is she alive? Is she. The amount of inaction at every level of the media astounded me. Absolutely astounded me.
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Carol Roth
Yeah. So the mainstream media is not interested in whether she lives or dies, just like they were not interested in the details of Epstein killing himself. Right. And so they've got a narrative and they're fine. But it's important to talk about her credibility as a witness, obviously, even though she settled most of her cases. Could you surmise. I mean, could you surmise she's a damaged person for what has happened to her?
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Unknown Speaker
Damaged in terms of credibility or damaged mentally, socially, spiritually?
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Carol Roth
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
She's a whack job. No matter what she said. I don't even think her. Kit, listen, she's estranged from her husband. I don't think her kids are with her. I don't know what she's doing in Australia. I don't know any of this stuff. Remember, this is a woman who claimed that Alan Dershowitz had been involved in this. And I said, you know what? I think I made a mistake. You know, I don't know about you, but there are very few people who look or sound like Alan Dershowitz. But I'm not suggesting it happened or anything like that. But what, what I mean, mistaken identity. If, listen, you can change your mind. And again, I'm not suggesting it happened. So her credibility was weird to begin with. Remember all those cross claims? Remember Dershowitz sued boys, boys sued. Dershowitz were back and forth. And you did this and you didn't and that just kind of went away. But here's the thing which I wonder about. When Pam Bondi said, we're going to, to bring this forward. There is a theoretical possibility that these cases might be revived. That maybe there is a. A victim who never settled, who was never in, who never disposed of their case. Would it be possible for somebody in a. Either a revived case or a pending case to bring you free back as a, a witness to corroborate or to establish where she was? And imagine that line of cross examination. So you're the same Virginia Giuffre who had four days to live, who gives you four days as a number. Normally, you know, when people are. They always give you that stuff on tv. She's in guarded condition. She's in, she's in what? I don't know what she's been elevated to poor. I was like, what that weird. That Overton window of hospital, you know, we don't know what that is. So the whole story stinks to know to, to no end. And I'm wondering, I was thinking, wow, Pam Bondi announces the, the, the reintroduction of these, of these files. And I wonder, I just wonder if maybe somehow somebody says, let's, let's, let's take care of the loose end in Australia. But then I thought to myself, imagine you're a hired hitman and your job is to take this woman out and you're going to use a school bus going. I mean none of it. I mean the whole story. But here's the best part. It's been forgotten. The way they were just doing a little. They said, bus driver clears up. Clears up? What do you mean clears up? This is dinner. Did this not happen? How did you tell anyone that you had four days to live? Where is this picture from? The bus driver says, I don't know what you're talking about. Nobody looked at it says, can you bruise that quickly? Was this day. The thing is, you could tear this apart if Harvey Levin or anybody cared. No, but it's like that ship has sailed. Whatever you want. Kind of like the Diddy case. That thing is so we've lost. We can't hear anymore. You know when you go to a loud concert and you hear the noise and you come on and your ears are ringing? That's the way we are with this guy. Whatever. Who, who's new this week.
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Lionel
What.
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Unknown Speaker
What new name? It's. It's just gone. We can't figure it out. His. The Busby lawyer still, I think, is fantastic. Camp can't even appear pro hack Viche.
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Carol Roth
Well, so what that update is, is that he applied to practice in New York, which you're allowed to do as a lawyer if you're taking a case in a different state, you just get sort of a temporary permission to practice. And the state of New York said, no, thank you. So he was not able to bring some of the cases on behalf of his right.
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Unknown Speaker
In New York, where I'm a member of the state, the first department, the state, so to speak, bar association, the federal has their own thing. You have to be a member of the Southern District of New York. Now, if I were to go to the Eastern district of Montana, I apply pro hoc, vitiate in advance. And it's very simple. I get a local lawyer, somebody who vouches for me, somebody who will accept process. They make sure, okay, you're a member of another bar, so it's easy peasy, no problem. It's just as a. We just don't want somebody walking in and. Well, I don't even think that had happened because I think the allegations were maybe that he had done this before without applying or being a member. It's amazing how you would think somebody would check immediately whether you have any. Anyway, it's. It's the silliest thing. I don't understand it. And I think this other district is.
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Carol Roth
What do you make of it, though? Like, besides all the things that it's pro. It's. It's paperwork. Right. So do you think that those plaintiffs would find another lawyer? Because the. Because beyond Jay Z had said, the lawyer coerced these victims into filing these lawsuits. And Busby is saying, oh, no, they absolutely wanted to file the cases, so they should then file them with somebody else if they're that motivated. You would think.
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Unknown Speaker
Right, right. You would think, I feel sorry for or always concerned for the plaintiff in this. But remember what we Said initially from the beginning, no matter what happens. No, no, no matter what happens, you still have to try this piece of crap. And you're going to have to go before a jury somewhere at some point and explain when this was, was 30 years ago and what happened. I was reading something before from trying, trying to keep track. Every week there's another person says, yes, I was there and I saw Michael Jackson was there and I'm just picking up a name. And, and where is this going? We have been inundated. Somebody very close to the system, basically a criminal said, who had either been in this Southern ind. The federal system or the lockup, said, he's not going anywhere. There is nothing. They are so tired of him.
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Carol Roth
And so Busby, or did he.
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Unknown Speaker
The feds, it's like, this is enough. There is nothing. Everything about you. Busby's not his. Busby's trying to sue him or convict him, but the case is just. People want to just be done with it. There's no. And we still can't figure out what's going to happen with the Trump administration. Remember recently what Pam Bondi just announced with the death penalty in the Luigi Mangione case? They didn't see that one coming and he sure as hell didn't see that. So now we wonder what is a Pam Bondi DOJ going to do? They're going to look at this and say, is this, and this is what I've said. It's not that what you've done is not. What wrong is this federal court worthy? Is this, you know, Al Capone? This, you know, federal court is, you know, international terrorism and it's bad. So don't. There, there, there might be the sense of the new DOJ saying, look, this isn't our case. This was yours. We don't like it. And maybe in a very extrapolated way of looking at it, maybe this administration is more of a kind of a sentimentality towards celebrities. You know what I mean? Maybe they kind of dig them more. This case. Who are the vic, how old do you think the victims are today?
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Carol Roth
Remember in the baby oil parties?
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Unknown Speaker
What the baby.
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Carol Roth
40? They're 25. Oh, no, no, they were 20 at the time. So, yeah, they're in their 40s.
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Unknown Speaker
I mean, so remember, remember when Trayvon Martin, that terrible shooting with Zimmerman, when we saw this little picture of Trayvon Martin in basically, you know, kindergarten, we thought, oh my God, he shot a kid. No, it turns out he's like, he's six, five and he's. Well, when you See the victim. Imagine you're in court and you've heard about these and somebody comes in who's 40 years old, looks like a regular person and sits down immediately. Where is that sense of I'm gonna get this bastard? It's not there. I'm not suggesting nothing happened. But now if there were children, if this was current, if there were pictures, if there were something, you're gonna have these people trying to convey to a jury, this is what happened. And can you imagine the cross examination. Examination, how were you there? You were an adult.
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Carol Roth
You're saying, though, is that the air is out of the balloon and that perhaps the Biden administration was motivated to give some red meat to people who understood that there were these sex rings involved in Hollywood and music and they got some. And that might be it. This is my make. What I mean, I mean, we were hoping that they would all fall, right, that we would see it all and it may have just been a little red meat to the lion and that's it.
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Unknown Speaker
If this was a state case, I would say maybe that I, I would say, I understand completely. It happened Hollywood, yeah, but federal. And they got him. Remember when they got Diddy at the, at the hotel on 57th Street? And they went. And I'm thinking, wait a minute, what are we doing this? Why he's sitting there with Sam Bankman, Frank, he's with, with terrorists and did he now, I'm not trying again, I'm not trying to minimize it, but the same thing is when you have drug dealing, if you have somebody who's doing nickel and dime bags, you're never going to see that in federal court. You're going to see big volumes. I never understood this one. And what's happening is that we are so inundated, we are so habituated, we're so deafened by all of the people who apparently were involved in this. It doesn't, there's no sense of anger or, you know, we're gonna get these guys. Let me tell you something. We haven't seen Diddy in a while. Have you seen pictures of him? He's got white hair and he's his. Doesn't have his diet. He doesn't look. From what we're hearing, from what I'm hearing, he doesn't look anything like he used to. And if there is a jury who looks at him and you see somebody who looks like, who's this? This. What happened to. I mean, because if you think thought you were going to get into the deep, you know, the underbelly of Hollywood.
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Carol Roth
And the Jay Z.
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Unknown Speaker
There's no Jay Z there. You're going to see a guy who looks like Bill Cosby or something, who sits down there to go, who's that? That's Jay Z. That's Jay Z. Who's this one? Well, she was 25 years old. One of the things, I'm sorry to say, and I want people to understand this, and this is terrible. If you can't prove a case, it doesn't mean the case didn't happen. It just means that somebody's not going to be found guilty. There are some cases, as you know, that you just, for whatever reason, it, it's hard to explain or there's no oomph there, but this is, this did something, I think, to really affect and to taint and to affect and contaminate the way we look at celebrity cases like this. Because people are going to be saying, and you know, this, Is this another Diddy case? Is this another Diddy case? Is, Are we, where are we going? I mean, all these people are saying, oh, come on. And, and, and I'll tell, I'll tell you. Jay Z's lawyer, Spiro, just got the case dismissed against the New York mayor. Remember his case? Yeah, he did that. He did. Alec Baldwin, he represented Elon. I mean, this guy's on a roll. So he's, he is. I mean, do you know what he did actually? He's the guy. He got the DOJ to sign off to dismiss the case against the mayor of New York City. With all of these people.
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Carol Roth
That case, that case was.
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Unknown Speaker
Oh, it should have been. No, it should have been. Yeah, but, and, and, and for those keeping track, I know this may be a bit arcane, but when a federal judge has to call in somebody else, they say, what are you think? Should I dismiss this? After the DOJ wants to dismiss? It's like you're questioning. It doesn't make you look very powerful. Federal judges are imperious. They are, they are gods. So anyway, the whole courts are really. This has not been a good year for the doj. And I don't know what's going to happen now after Pam Bondi gets a hold of it. And let me tell you something in conclusion. Conclusion, I am not a fan or a supporter of the death penalty. However, in the case of Manjoni, I mean, we were supposed to talk about this. If ever there was a guy who deserved it, if they can prove it, with all of his writings and all of his planning and all of the statutory involvement that One has. In a classic death penalty case where you thought it and you planned it and you, and, and, you know, you made this particular gun and it was a ghost gun, you're going to be hard pressed to say, well, this is a death penalty case. I, I, it's, and so that, that is, I just had to throw that in there because I despise this punk. And now they're saying he was, he was framed. That's a good one.
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Carol Roth
All right, well, we'll see them make that case. Yeah. All right, well, I'm annoyed because, yeah, I want, want, I want more. I want to see a domino effect inside of Hollywood for, you know, all the evil that we know goes there.
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Unknown Speaker
But you know, where you're going to see it?
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Carol Roth
This might, I don't have any time.
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Unknown Speaker
You know what? We're going to see it when they cut the USAID money. Now, that, that, that wasn't, that was, we'll just use that as a short term of short, shortcut version of this. When Elon realizes the money that was going to all of these people, we will never know. Know. Have you ever noticed why, how, why the number of folks, a number of parents in, in Hollywood had this inordinate number of transgender kids? Oh, yeah, I don't know about you. I don't know any transgender kids. I'm in New York. I can stand in a corner and anything you want will walk by. Vikings. Any kind of. But I've never, I, we don't have that yet in Hollywood. Go down the list. 10, 12, 12. They have multiple transgender kids.
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Carol Roth
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Don't be surprised if we find out one day that they were kid people kind of on the balls of their arse, who basically took a payout to take little Johnny and kind of push it along. And now that you don't have that. Okay, well, you think, you think I'm kidding? You think I'm. Okay, explain to me, Explain. Well, how, how do you explain all these people like the Alec Baldwins and the Carl Reiners and the De Niro's who were basically really not that popular, who were put out there to be the most vociferous against Trump, and now all of a sudden that, that, that, that gravy train's gone.
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Carol Roth
Don't be surprised if people never thought of that. But I'm with you.
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Unknown Speaker
Sure these people are evil? No, no, these people are abs and their kids are. Let me tell you something. If somebody, if you have nothing and you have a child who might, I don't know. And this one's daughter has it and. And whoever's. I can't go.
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Carol Roth
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Go down the list and you think to yourself, you know, you know, little Timmy is acting. How much did they get for that? Maybe not the full surgery. Oh, I wouldn't put it past them. And at all. Not all. But there's no more money there. That's been cut. See ya. What happens now?
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Carol Roth
I get what you're saying. All right, well, this is what you can expect from the Lionel Nation YouTube channel. Thank you for this, Lionel. I really appreciate it. And I'm sorry we ran. Yeah, we ran a little late today, so things. Thank you for sticking around and it's always good to see you.
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Unknown Speaker
Indeed. Thank you.
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Carol Roth
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