NATO's Worst Nightmare Is About To Come True & Congressman Massie Just Went All In

Summary

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Redacted News Podcast Summary

Episode: "NATO's Worst Nightmare Is About To Come True & Congressman Massie Just Went All In"

Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Clayton Morris & Natali Morris
Notable Guests: Congressman Thomas Massie, Colonel Towner Watkins, Ken Klippenstein, Maria Z

Overview

This episode of Redacted News confronts the narratives surrounding NATO, digital surveillance, and domestic extremism law in the US, with a critical perspective on government and media agendas. The main segment is a deep-dive interview with Congressman Thomas Massie regarding his bill to end US involvement in NATO, followed by conversations on the manipulation of online discourse, the criminalization of dissent in the US, and Australia’s new social media ban for minors — all framed as interconnected strategies of global control and containment.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Congressman Massie’s Bill to Get the US Out of NATO

(Starts ~05:49)

• Clayton introduces Congressman Massie’s bill: Legislation to remove US from NATO, which, due to America’s dominant funding, would be a severe blow, “essentially would kill NATO” (Clayton, 02:29).
• Massie on the bill:
  • Long-time mission to end what he views as an outdated burden for Americans.
  • "Why are we subsidizing the defense of socialism in Europe?" (Massie, 07:13)
  • US pays more than half of NATO's costs, despite mounting national debt.
  • Expansion of NATO seen as unnecessarily provocative: "We’ve been poking the bear every chance we get by adding more countries to NATO... Putin is a Cold War relic, but… he’s in response to NATO, which is a Cold War relic." (Massie, 07:13)
  • On Ukraine: Argues the war’s origins are inseparable from NATO’s eastward creep: "The attack on Ukraine… was because we were talking about them joining NATO." (Massie, 08:48)
  • On NATO Treaty and the Constitution: Disagrees that the treaty obligates automatic war response—cites Article 11 and emphasizes congressional war powers. (Massie, 09:45)
  • Support and obstacles: Anna Paulina Luna as House co-sponsor, Mike Lee in the Senate; notes Speaker Johnson's resistance to non-spending bills and historical efforts that garnered support from a minority of Republicans. (Massie, 12:30)
• Clayton challenges ‘defensive alliance’ myth: “History tells a completely different story... NATO’s stay-behind armies, Operation Gladio, etc.” (Clayton, 10:49)

Notable Quote:

• "Whether it’s defensive or offensive, I don’t think we should be obligated to be on the offense for Europe or on the defense for Europe." — Congressman Massie (11:10)

2. Epstein Files Transparency Act & DOJ Updates

(13:49-17:51)

• Clayton asks about federal judge’s decision to release Epstein files.
• Massie’s update:
  • Three major federal cases affected, with past judicial reluctance shifting after the new law.
  • Now, judges cannot withhold grand jury material to avoid embarrassment—no more redacting just for reputational protection.
  • New material remains hidden within the DOJ and FBI, not just grand jury records.
• Emphasis on survivor advocacy: Massie credits bill’s passage to survivor persistence: “The brave survivors came forward and reiterated their stories...” (Massie, 16:20)
• Skepticism about further investigations: Concern that new probes (e.g., by Pam Bondi) might serve as means to delay transparency through the excuse of an “ongoing investigation.” (16:59)

Notable Quote:

• "It was really because the brave survivors came forward... and eventually the dam gave way and transparency and justice are going to prevail." — Congressman Massie (16:20)

3. Strategy of Tension, Media Manipulation & Online Division

(24:34–41:55)

• Colonel Towner Watkins explains “strategy of tension”: Systematic government or agency-driven efforts to sow division among the population, keeping focus on infighting while authorities advance undetected agendas.
  • Case study: Tim Pool — Watkins describes Pool’s career as a pattern of appearing at major protest events that have “strategy of tension” markings (e.g., Occupy Wall Street, Gezi Park, Maidan, Ferguson), raising questions about his role in narrative control (26:13–27:50).
  • On influencer authenticity: Warns about “chaos agents” and artificial platform inflation (view-botting) as tools to skew social discourse.
• False dichotomies in US politics: Watkins and the hosts argue that left/right narratives are distractions from the “uniparty” and deeper operations of control (29:57).
• Critical analysis methods: Watkins encourages critically vetting sources, platforms, and narratives, highlighting the importance of factual, non-partisan analysis.

Notable Quotes:

• “He [Tim Pool] is constantly seeding a narrative of destabilization and fighting amongst each other… one of the chaos agents thrown into the mix.” — Colonel Towner Watkins (28:15)
• “Facts are not left or right. They're just facts. And if you come up with the assessment of the factual information, the problem is… you’re not getting facts, you’re getting narratives.” — Colonel Towner Watkins (37:41)

4. DOJ & New US Definition of ‘Domestic Terrorism’

(46:29–59:36)

• Host raises alarm about new DOJ directive: Expands “domestic terrorism” to include views such as support for overthrowing the US government, anti-ICE, pro-mass migration, non-traditional family structures—most of which are protected beliefs under the Constitution (46:29).
• Guest: Ken Klippenstein (Clip News):
  • Confirms authenticity of leaked DOJ document (DOJ also confirmed).
  • Details a “bounty system” for reporting “suspected” domestic terrorists, likening it to Ukraine’s DIA app — neighbor-to-authority snitching encouraged (49:12).
  • Expresses concern about chilling effect on free speech even before legal action: “That is a big loss because that is what this country is supposed to be all about...” (50:43)
  • Points out that, due to precedents set after 9/11, courts are unlikely to intervene effectively, and media silence is striking even as both liberal and conservative beliefs are being criminalized.
• Media complicity: Mainstream outlets largely ignore the story, with only Reuters and the UK Guardian covering it.

Notable Quotes:

• “This is... creating, in essence, a bounty system for reporting on fellow Americans…” — Ken Klippenstein (49:12)
• "[The] effect we're already seeing... is it's gonna scare people and make them not wanna express things. And that is a big loss because that is what this country is supposed to be all about..." — Ken Klippenstein (50:43)
• "The problem is... you’re not getting facts, you’re getting narratives." — Colonel Towner Watkins (37:41)

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5. Australia’s Social Media Ban for Under-16s: Trojan Horse for Digital ID?

(66:29–80:11)

• Host highlights “sheltering” narrative in media: Mainstream outlets pitch as protecting kids from “dangers” of social media.
• Guest: Maria Z (Z Media):
  • Argues the real agenda is universal digital ID: “This has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children... this is really about digital id.” (67:42)
  • Current enforcement is flawed but sets precedent for requiring age/identity verification—which results in surveillance infrastructure for all adults.
  • US, Europe, and other Western nations rapidly moving toward identical digital ID requirements under the guise of child protection.
  • Example: Texas' forthcoming law (Jan 2026) requires age verification for basic online services, with similar laws coming in the US Congress.
  • Mechanics: Digital ID means full, interoperable dossiers on citizens (identity, behavior, views, health data), enabling automated restriction of access (travel, finance, communication) for “non-compliance.”

Notable Quotes:

• “Every adult will have to prove their age and link their identity and their verification to their online activity, thus in effect creating a digital ID system and eventually a social credit system.” — Maria Z (69:57)
• “Once a digital ID is in place, it is impossible for you to stand against any agendas. The conversation you were just having... you wouldn’t be allowed to have it with a digital ID because... it’s linked to your banking, your ability to pay your bills, your ability to travel.” — Maria Z (74:05)

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6. Resistance & The Move To Alternative Tech (Linux, Open Source)

(80:11–90:27)

• Hosts discuss importance of digital literacy, open-source tools: As state and corporate surveillance increases, urge a shift to open-source tools (Linux), independent platforms, and self-management of personal data.
• Examples given: PewDiePie and others are popularizing Linux as a consumer-friendly option.
• Barriers to adoption: Average users need easier onboarding and education to make the leap.

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Memorable Moments & Timestamp Anchors

• 05:49: Satirical family Thanksgiving “neocon uncle” anecdote to introduce NATO debate.
• 07:13: Massie’s rationale for introduction of the “Leave NATO” bill.
• 11:10: Massie breaks down the defensive/offensive nature of NATO.
• 13:49: Epstein Files — key judicial development.
• 24:34: On “strategy of tension” and analysis of division within US politics/media.
• 46:29: DOJ document exposes new domestic terrorism framework.
• 49:12: Ken Klippenstein details the “bounty system.”
• 66:29: Launch of Australia’s social media ban; mainstream media framing.
• 69:57: Maria Z explains digital ID as the real goal.
• 74:05: Digital ID and total societal control.
• 80:11: Linux and open-source adoption discussion as a way to “unplug.”
• 99:12: End-of-episode merchandise pitch and wrap-up.

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Overall Tone

The show is fiercely anti-establishment and critical of power structures, both in government and media. Hosts and guests employ humor and sarcasm (“neocon uncle,” “strategy of tension,” “Trojan horse”) alongside earnest, at times urgent, warnings.

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Final Word

This episode delivers a thematic warning: that purportedly protective policies — NATO’s persistence, anti-terror laws, social media bans — often serve to solidify global control, strip away national sovereignty, and chill dissent, while distracting citizens with spectacle and false binaries. The call to action is clear: question mainstream narratives, support independent journalism, and take practical steps toward technological self-reliance.

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Transcript

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[Clayton Morris]

It is time to wake up. On this show we cover the stories the mainstream media won't touch. Live from the Rocky Mountains, welcome to Redacted with Natalie and Clayton Morris. Are you ready get uncomfortable. Welcome everybody to Redacted on this Wednesday. So good to see all of you guys.

[Natalie]

Good to see you.

[Clayton Morris]

Good to see you.

[Natalie]

How have you been?

[Clayton Morris]

How have you been little lady? Welcome in everyone. Hey, we've got a very busy show for you today. Congressman Thomas Massie about to join us to talk about this bombshell around NATO. Actually a couple of big stories, but specifically want to ask him about his bill to get the United States out of NATO, which essentially would kill NATO. Finally. I mean this is what we've been hoping for many of us. And he has actually other members of Congress who are getting on board as co sponsors and there is growing support for this. So could we finally be ending NATO or US Involvement in it, which would essentially kill it? We're going to talk to Congressman Massie about that in moments.

[Natalie]

Also, more about NATO. We have Colonel Towner Watkins joining us. She's one of the foremost experts in researching NATO's underbelly, the dark side of NATO. She's one of our favorite guests. So I'm excited to see her. We're also going to talk about more about the story we talked about yesterday, how the US Government will track you as a domestic terrorist if you are anti government, anti communist, anti all kinds of things. It's terrifying. We have the reporter that broke that story coming. We're excited to talk to him as well.

[Clayton Morris]

And also we're going to talk about Australia's social media ban. I don't know if you guys saw that, but of course, social A lot of kids just woke up this morning, today, Wednesday, and their social media accounts were shut down, logged out, not able to sign in if they were 12 years of age or younger. And so a lot of people are like, this is amazing. You know, this is fantastic. Get kids off of social media. But is it a Trojan horse for something far more insidious? We always have to go a layer deeper on these stories. So we're excited to talk about that. We have a special guest joining us today to talk about Australia as well. So all of that and more.

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[Clayton Morris]

You know, so we all have that crazy neocon uncle who comes over for Thanksgiving or Christmas. He starts talking politics. He starts telling you how great NATO is. It's a defensive organization designed to stop communism. And you laugh and you smile at his ignorance, of course. And then Uncle Timmy gets mad, starts drinking too much. You decide to open your mouth and remind him that NATO is an offensive organization, is actually in many ways a terrorist organization. You tell Uncle Timmy, stop drinking all the family wine. Start reading some books about Operation Gladio, Operation Condor. Just so you understand how NATO's secret stay behind armies have essentially been regime change tools, carried out terrorist acts around the world. Tell him to read a book, educate himself about the Bologna bombings in Italy which were carried out by NATO's terror army. And then you tell him to stop being such a drunk old man. Then he falls asleep on your couch. Well, Uncle Timmy would not like what just happened yesterday. Congressman Thomas Massie introducing a bill to essentially end NATO by having the United States leave NATO use that money to defend our own country. Representative Paul Luna jumped on, said yes, she's happy to co sponsor this bill. This is of course an extension of what Senator Mike Lee also is looking to do. So drunk Uncle Timmy is going to be pissed at Congressman Thomas Massie, who joins us now. Congressman, you pissed off Uncle Timmy and I'm really sorry to hear about that.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Sorry, Uncle Tim, just have some more eggnog.

[Clayton Morris]

Why did you do this?

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Listen, this has been sort of a mission of mine for a long time and I decided we needed legislation. And then the legislation becomes a vehicle to show that there's support for getting us out of NATO. We have a president who's ostensibly America first. So if we're America first, why are we subsidizing the defense of socialism in Europe? The Europeans have formed the European Union and NATO is just basically the European Union plus America, and we're footing the bill. We pay more than half of the cost for the defense of Europe. It just doesn't make any sense in light of the national debt that we have. Also, there's a cost associated with NATO and the expansion of NATO. Over the years, we've sort of been poking the bear every chance we get by adding more countries to NATO. And you know, Putin is a Cold War relic, but I think he's in response to NATO, which is a Cold War relic. As long as we keep the Cold War going on, the Russians are going to keep people like Putin in charge because he stokes their nationalism in the face of, you know, the encroachment of an ever expanding NATO on his borders, on his front step.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, and as Putin has admitted that he wanted to join NATO, I mean, if I'm not mistaken, I think he specifically talked to Bill Clinton about this. Bill Clinton sort of scoffed. I mean, imagine how they wouldn't have a boogeyman anymore. Right. If, if Russia joins NATO. We're not your enemy. Let's just be on the same team here. Sorry, we can't do that. We need you as our enemy.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

And, you know, until Elon Musk came around and got a way for us to get to the space station, we were renting rides from the Russians to get to the space station or basically to do much of anything with astronauts in our own space program. And so it's somewhat ridiculous that we have to have this proxy war now in Ukraine. Again, you know, that's a specific example of where we keep pushing forward with NATO and poking the bear. And I think the, you know, the attack on Ukraine, you don't even have to think or speculate about this. Part of that was because we were talking about them joining NATO and there may be part of the resolution of the war in Ukraine may be a promise not to have them join NATO. I think it's been irresponsible to add the other countries. The other problem with adding these smaller countries, it's sort of like an insurance pooling, right? Why would you add a small country that pays very little into the insurance when they're a big risk as far as payout goes on the insurance with this Mutually Assured War pact where if there's war on a NATO country, people believe that the NATO treaty obligates us to enter that war. I particularly don't agree with that interpretation of the NATO treaty because there's an article, I think it's Article 11 in the NATO Treaty that says that anything that NATO does or a member country has to be copacetic with their own constitution. Our Constitution, by the way, requires declarations of war from Congress at least. It requires authorization and use of military force if there's not an imminent attack on the United States. So an attack on a NATO country doesn't satisfy the requirement in our Constitution to enable a president to have war. And even the NATO treaty acknowledges that in one of the articles.

[Clayton Morris]

You know, critics say NATO is a purely defensive alliance, but of course, history tells a completely different story of that from the Balkans intervention to Libya. I mean, the list is endless. Not to mention all of the terrorist acts carried out by their stay behind armies, Operation gladio, et cetera. So how does your bill maybe challenge this myth of a defensive posture?

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Well, whether it's defensive or offensive, I don't think we should be obligated to be on the offense for Europe or on the defense for Europe. I don't even debate whether it's offensive or defensive, although it has been offensive to Putin. And it's again moving the border forward with NATO by incorporating these smaller countries that don't really pay into it and obligating ourselves to go to war if there's a, if there's a scuttle there. Imagine if Ukraine was part of NATO.

There are people in this government who believe we would be obligated to be at war with Russia right now and that all of Europe would be obligated to be at war with Russia. I don't agree with that. And at that point, you are an offensive element. You're not just purely defense for your own country. You've become offense for Europe.

[Clayton Morris]

I mean, that would be Senator Lindsey Graham's like, greatest gift. Like, if you could give Lindsey Graham like a birthday gift, it would be that. How much support do you have on this, Congressman? And do you see Speaker Johnson, who doesn't like to bring any bills to the floor unless they're spending bills? It seems to be a roadblock for anything that's put America first. Where do you see this going?

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Well, I'd like to get a lot more support for it right now. Anna Paulina Luna, as you mentioned, has joined it. It's by, you know, it's in both parties or, sorry, it's in both chambers. Not bipartisan. But what is that? Bicameral? Is bicameral at the moment. Mike Lee actually introduced this bill to start out with. So we have support in the Senate and in the House now, and that's what it requires to Turn off a treaty. You know, to enter a treaty only requires the Senate. But if you look back historically, the way they've gotten out of treaties is to, you know, the House. First of all, it's required in the House to fund any obligations to that treaty, so the House is somewhat responsible. But also to get out of a treaty, the House gets involved. And so I decided to lead that. And hopefully we'll get people who join this. You know, we forced this to a vote as an amendment several years ago, and 18 Republicans joined in the effort to extract the United States from NATO. I'm not sure how many of those members are still in Congress, but this week we're approaching them and asking them, since they were yes votes on the amendment, to get us out of NATO, will they sponsor the legislation to get us out of NATO?

[Clayton Morris]

I have so much more I want to talk with you about, but we're up against a hard break. And I know you've got to run, but I want to ask you really quickly about the Epstein, the new details from the judge, of course, who's now going to allow the files released from the 2019 arrest of Epstein. There's like, all these crossing paths, like what you've been doing in Congress, the 2008 materials, the 2019 materials. It's all kind of coming together. And then we get the Democrats releasing their own tranche of emails. Are you encouraged by what this judge has said about this 2019.

Arrest? Quote, unquote, you know, arrest.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

So there, there are three federal cases implicated in our Epstein Files Transparency Act. The DOJ under Trump went to these three federal judges, and these, this is the old case against Epstein where he got the slap on the wrist and then started recommitting crimes and working with intelligence agencies for a decade or two after that. There's the case against Ghislaine Maxwell, and then there's the New York case, the recent case against Epstein, the reason he was in prison most recently. So there were three district judges who, before our legislation passed, said that they would not release the grand jury material. And now within the last week, all three of those judges, I won't say they've reversed themselves, because what happened is the law changed. And so I'm glad to see that all three of these judges acknowledge that now that we've passed this law, they can't withhold grand jury material to avoid embarrassing people who might not be guilty. Maybe they're just mentioned that was the reason for withholding the material before. But we explicitly prohibit redactions to prevent Embarrassment. So I was, you know, we're already seeing movement, but be careful.

There is a lot of material in the grand jury transcripts and some of the evidence that was presented. But there's even more material at the DOJ and at the FBI. Remember, if they didn't take it to the grand jury, it's not in the grand jury proceedings. And so, you know, Kash Patel and Pam Bondi are going to be obligated to release even more material than what's in the grand jury proceedings.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, thanks to you. I mean, I hope people remember that. I mean, thanks to you and your tireless work on this and going up against Speaker Johnson. Not to blow smoke, but people need to remember this like this was supposed to be something coming out of the Trump administration within the first week. And the fact that you had to go through this enormous fight is just stunning.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

It's been trench warfare on this legislation since July five months. Speaker Johnson drug us through this. And also the president had to reverse himself. He said this would be a hostile act to support this legislation. Ultimately, he signed this legislation. And as much as I'd like to take credit for it, I can't. It was really because the brave survivors came forward and reiterated their stories that a lot of people never heard or had forgotten. And also the people they pushed on, their senators and their congressmen, and eventually the dam gave way and transparency and justice are going to prevail.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. Even if it is a democratic hoax. Like, I'm glad that. I'm glad that we're fighting.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Well, yeah. And obviously it's not a democratic hoax. I know you're being facetious, but Pam Bondi has said that she's going to open a new investigation in light of new material. And so we've sent her a letter, we've asked for a meeting to know what that new material is. We're a little bit suspect as to whether maybe she's trying to use an excuse of an ongoing investigation to prevent the release of some of these materials. I hope that's not a route they're taking. But even if it is, the redactions that they may make are very limited in scope and they have to be very precise if they're going to try to claim that there's an ongoing investigation that prevents the release of some of the Epstein files. They can't prevent the release of all the Epstein files by announcing one vague investigation.

[Clayton Morris]

Congressman Thomas Massie, thank you for fighting for America, America first. And thank you for fighting for Kentucky and hope you have a merry Christmas. Thank you for taking some time out this afternoon. Thanks, Congressman.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Thank you, Clayton.

[Clayton Morris]

Thanks, Congressman. Always great to see you. Thank you for that.

[Natalie]

Burning the midnight oil there.

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[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. Nonstop. So, I mean, and the list of. I mean, if I actually went through, like, the list of bills or amendments that he just brought forward on the national authorization defense spending bill, like all of these carve outs and caveats. And of course, Speaker Johnson won't even allow them to be heard because he just keep it focused on spending all of these objections, like, why are we still spending all of these things? I thought we were getting rid of this stuff thanks to Doge. Like, why won't these people do anything?

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[Clayton Morris]

And Congressman Massie is one of the only people actually reminding people of this mission.

[Natalie]

Doesn't he get exhausted?

[Clayton Morris]

I don't know. He's got. He's got a great. He's got great people around him.

[Natalie]

You know, I don't.

[Clayton Morris]

I get exhausted thinking about how hard he's working.

[Natalie]

Exactly.

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[Clayton Morris]

You know, so he has to be exhausted.

[Natalie]

And. And just the idea of. He's like Sisyphus, like, constantly rolling this ball up the Hill and people are ignoring him, you know, that. That he has a timeless energy to do it well.

[Clayton Morris]

And they haven't ignored him because the fact that we are now release of these Epstein tranches is thanks to him. And the fact that these judges are actually now releasing them thanks to his bill and thanks to the work that he's done on this. Like, things are actually happening. I know we get so frustrated with, like, nothing's gonna happen in Congress.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Clayton Morris]

But something's actually happening.

[Natalie]

Okay, I was being pessimistic. I eat those words.

[Clayton Morris]

I mean, look, Congress.

[Natalie]

McDuck is gonna go sit in the corner.

[Clayton Morris]

No, I mean, our next guest, Colonel Towner. Hodkins.

[Ken Klippenstein]

Watkins.

[Clayton Morris]

Sorry, I'm trying to fix my glasses here and concentrate. She was even tweeting today. She's like, people we talked about getting doge like, these cuts, like, what the hell? Where are you putting America first members of Congress, like, what the hell are you doing with your time there? So it's incredibly frustrating.

[Natalie]

Oh, she will help validate my pessimism. She's one of the best to do it because she's so full of really discouraging facts. So. All right, I will bring it back. I apologize for nothing.

[Clayton Morris]

So she will be joining us here in a moment because we're gonna talk about you. You know, all of this division that we're seeing in the United States right now. If you saw Like Tim Pool, like freaking out and calling Candace Owens the C word and going after her and this back and forth division right now. You know, it's one of the reasons why the Deep State killed Charlie Kirk, of course, is because he was bringing people together, as she pointed out before when she was on our show. And this is all part of that strategy. It's all part of that strategy of tension, like keeping us all at each other's throats, pretending that there's actually a Republican Party and a Democratic Party. There's not. There's a uni party. We're going to talk with Colonel Watkins about that coming up in just a moment. But first, first, you know, like, hey, Cyber Monday might be finished, right? Might be over with, right? But all of that cybercrime that's been happening, it's happening right now and it's happening right as everyone's like online ordering and people are having all sorts of issues right now and people are falling victims to cyber crimes. The last thing anyone needs at the holidays, especially during this time of the year. That's why it's more important than ever to have web root. Webroot is a Webroot will actually protect all of your online traffic. And you know, the thing is they'll protect your identity, they'll protect you from hackers and scams. That's why we use it. We use it. Webroot Total Protection is an all in one security solution built for families. Whether it's not, you know, it's just you, or you're protecting your kids, seniors, multiple devices in your home, you get real time antivirus protection, a smart firewall, password manager, identity monitoring, up to $1 million in identity theft, expense reimbursement should something happen to you. Even a VPN with connections in over 80 locations, there's dark web monitoring, credit alerts, cloud backup, the works. And the best part, it's lightweight, it's lightning fast, it doesn't interrupt you with any kind of annoying pop ups. So protect yourself, protect your family this holiday season with 75% off. With Webroot's total [e-mail] redacted, that's 75% off. But only with our link. If you go to webroot.com redact again, 75% off right [e-mail] redacted.

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[Ken Klippenstein]

Watch as you power scared that she'll put you on her thumbnail and claim you benefited from Charlie Kirk's assassination. Which he's doing to me right now.

[Congressman Thomas Massie]

Yeah, that was the.

[Ken Klippenstein]

I'm done with these people.

[Clayton Morris]

She has security just on the level of you.

[Ken Klippenstein]

Oh, yeah. The one fat guy you mentioned with no wall and no barrier in a suburban neighborhood with neighbors shouldn't give. 2. No one's out for her. She's lying about all of this. You told me you went to her house and she's got a four foot wall and one fat guy.

[Clayton Morris]

So Colonel Towner Watkins is pretty fed up with the ignorance out there in this division in the United States that's trying to sow and they're all sitting there sort of back laughing at us right now. Let's bring in Colonel Towner Watkins to talk about all of this. Great to see you again. Welcome back to the show.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

Thank you. Thank you for having me.

[Clayton Morris]

So am I being too simplistic when I describe it that way, that all of this division that we're seeing is all part of the plan?

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

Absolutely.

I think it's interesting that you use Tim Pool if you go back through his. So when I first came on the scene a few years ago, I didn't know who to watch, I didn't know where to go to get information. And so every one of these podcasters that were around throwing out information, I vetted, I wanted to know what their background was. Tim Pool is one of the easiest ones to dissect, actually. If you go back in his history, I don't know if you know that he used to write and do video commentary for Vice.

[Clayton Morris]

Vice. Right.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

And if you look at some of the things that he said while he was doing those videos, he was a member of Greenpeace. He was a member of Environment America, which is a very left leaning organization funded with foundation dollars. He was affiliated with a guy by the name of Henry James Ferry, who is a New York City broker. So he has some very interesting background. But I started following his reporting and noticed he popped up in some very weird places. For example, he was in 2011 in the middle of Occupy Wall Street. He was in Turkey at the Gezi park protest. Now, for those of you who are not familiar with that, it was one of the events that was funded in large part by USAID to create turmoil in Turkey. It ended up with like 5,000 people being arrested. It was a strategy of tension because the west was very upset with Erdogan, the prime minister there. So weird that he would be there in the middle of what turns out to be one of the worst domestic events in Turkish modern history. He shows up at the Maidan Revolution in 2014.

[Clayton Morris]

Really filming?

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

Oh, yes, he did. He also showed up at Ferguson, Missouri.

He showed up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and covered riots there. He has a knack for showing up at some very interesting destabilization efforts. And so obviously I put him in the do not watch category because literally nothing he says to me is pro.

Peace, pro maga. He is constantly seeding a narrative of destabilization and fighting amongst each other. He doesn't find common ground with people. And that, to me, is one of the telltale signs of these. Whether he's knowingly doing it, whether he's paid to do it, I have no data on that. But he is one of the chaos agents thrown into the mix.

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[Natalie]

So should we ask her if she's done us? Did you vet us? Because we. We've obviously passed. Okay, all right.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

On anybody's podcast that I don't bet.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

I mean, I've known his work for a very long time, so yeah, yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

We've not been to any USAID color revolutions.

[Natalie]

Haven't done that.

[Clayton Morris]

No. Haven't done that. Haven't been to the CIA backed proxy Maidan coup in Ukraine. But it's not even just about him. I just use that as an example of this division that we're seeing this week. I could have picked anything out of a hat, right. Over the past couple of weeks that we've been seeing in this division where they want us fighting here while they're up here doing horribly nefarious things like, you know, killing. Killing Charlie Kirk, in other words.

[Natalie]

I think that the example Clayton's giving is sort of right wing infighting, but the right left infighting is just as insidious. So we could pick any conflict, really. And a lot of it is. It feels artificially stoked. Right.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

That's my assessment of it, based on having spent the last three years in countries where these events happen. And you pick up patterns, you pick up how one particular news outlet will be spewing all kinds of destabilization rhetoric. Unfortunately, when you switch from historical destabilization coup attempts to modern day, you have to then spread the net, because we have so many different venues of information coming at us from all sides. And it's very, very important when you look at people with large platforms to do the research on where they came from, which is something that I try to keep on top of, to know who to listen to and who not to listen to. Because just because they have a big platform, there's people that has done like meta digging into the inorganic nature of how they achieve those big platforms. And I pay attention to that.

[Clayton Morris]

That's. I've been very, very curious about that, you know, because you see like, you'll see some of these channels where they've got like, there's people that argue, there's view botting going on. We know that happens on Twitch quite a bit where you'll see live numbers and you see this like artificially inflated numbers and it just, it's totally out of whack with likes and, and all of that. I don't understand all of it. I don't understand how it all works. But something seems amiss here. Just look at Bari Weiss. I mean, look at her whole network. And it was getting like no views at all. And it sells for however many tens of millions of dollars and no one was actually watching any of their content. Like it didn't make any sense to me.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

Yeah. And I think there's a direct correlation and I've went into people's podcasts for that exact reason. If I suspect them of being one of these people you watch in their podcast. The amount of people commenting the like on Rumble, the number of thumbs up that they get, and it's very disproportional to the followers that they have. The same is true on X. If you look at, if you go back and you click on people's post where they may get a few comments, but they have like a million followers, it's very disproportional for some of these people.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, let's test our chat room. Right now we've got.

[Natalie]

Show us you're not a bot.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, show us you're not a bot. We've got 12,000 of you watching us on Rumble right now. We've got what, like 10,000 on or. Yeah, about 8 or 9,000 on YouTube concurrently. I don't know how many on X at the moment, so about 20, 20,000 or so. So let's see how many of these are bots. I know there's bots that actually watch when we talk about Israel with certain topics. You'll get a lot of automatic bots botting in the comments.

Just randomly throwing out comments. So yeah, if we get a thumbs up here, I'd be curious from all these people. We're getting a lot of people saying, not a bot, not a bot, not a bot. Okay, that's good.

[Natalie]

I have a question about this sentiment because I know that the online discourse is not real life, but it sort of follows, I think, where we are Politically. And I feel like you might see somebody and you're like, oh, I agree with this person. I think they're making some good points on X. And then you see them say something that you think is completely pro government propaganda, and you're like, what just happened there? I was just. I was just hoodwinked. I thought you were a based person. How did that happen? Or you come together with someone that you wouldn't otherwise ideologically align with, and it's almost like the fish gets away. It gets off the hook. That feels artificial. Like we. We realize, like the common ground, the things we all believe. Epstein didn't kill himself. We can start there. Most people believe that. Right. The US Government is guilty of war crimes, and then we can build from that. But it's like, like I said, it always feels like the fish that got away.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

We don't.

[Natalie]

We don't stay there on that common ground. Does that. Is that describing my sentiment, something that's purposeful?

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

Yes. Especially with people who build up their audience and then want to inject the real reason why they're there. So they will. Yes, they will build up a narrative. Like, for. For me, the only reason that I do what I do is to expose what the CIA has been doing in our name all over the world. I stay pretty consistent with that, but it applies to so many other different avenues. One of the latest things that I've noticed is there's an effort right now to get out ahead of presidents Trump and DNI Gabbard's 2020 election information. And there's an entire narrative going across all platforms about this CIA guy I know.

Yes. Well, yeah, he just outed himself, but the Bernard guy that Lara Logan had on. And if you go back and look at his history and listen to his words, not the accusations, but the. What most people would throw out as frivolous conversations. For example, in his interview with Laura Logan, he throws out that it was Chavez that basically created black site torture prisons. And he just throws that out in the middle of the conversation. Well, for someone like me who is focused specifically on those types of things, that's absolutely not true.

There's a history of the CIA doing that all over the world. Phoenix Program, Operation Condor in all of the Latin American countries. So when you see things that I call unforced errors, it underlies the credibility of the topic of which they're conversing on. And I kind of assess that as discrediting the message, because the unforced errors, and he had quite a few of them actually in the conversation tells me based on that. And I've read so many declassified CIA cables, so I've gotten to be an amateur at how they converse, even inside the CIA. And so it. It makes it difficult to believe the narrative that they're. So then you have to look at the actual narrative. What are they trying to get you to believe? That Venezuela is behind all of the world's election interference? When we know that the CIA started doing that in 1948 and has never stopped. So it allows you to be able to assess information in real time if you have the background to know historical facts and then assess them with what they're actually trying to sell you on.

[Natalie]

Today we have a comment here since Redacted's turning alt left, which makes me feel like you're not actually listening because we're trying to denounce those labels, pay attention as disruptors. It's almost like this comment, I don't even know what all left means. But you know, when you try and lock people into these pigeonholes and then you get confused by it like they're used, that's actually the narrative.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

So the strategy of tension is created to.

I don't even use the words anymore. Left and right. There's facts. And you can form your own opinion based on the facts. Facts are not left or right. They're just facts. And if you come up with the assessment of the factual information, the problem that we have in today's discourse is you're not getting facts, you're getting narratives. And that's why I try to stay based on facts. And when I talk about Venezuela, people will say, oh, you, you love Maduro. No, I don't really give a crap about Maduro. I don't really give a crap about any foreign leader. I care about my country, the one that I signed up to serve. But I do care about you assessing Venezuela in foreign policy that involves my.

My country, my resources on a factual basis. And when you look at the history of Venezuela, I don't know if you guys know this, but I just did a long thread on Venezuela on X, about the fact that the Bushes, Jeb Bush was a banker in Venezuela prior to Chavez. There was a lot of nefarious things. The Cartel Della Soul was basically created through their national guard. The two senior generals in the Cartel Della Soul were on the payroll, like thousands of dollars a month of the CIA. There was a lot of corruption in Venezuela that was going on prior to the Chavez, and I would argue it brought about the Chavez revolution, which is the Same thing that happened in Cuba. And we were taught to hate Castro, But Castro came to power because the CIA was trafficking heroin through Colombia. They had staged a coup, installed Batista. The Mafia was down there in.

I mean, by the hundreds and thousands. And so that corruption in countries that is orchestrated by entities like the CIA, that I've argued for a long time, does not report to the President of the United States. It reports to an international syndicate. And they orchestrate these corrupt dictatorships. And then when the people in those countries rebel, the only thing that's going to come to power after that revolution is a strong man. So you can argue all you want, but there's plenty of historical data that supports that. And I'm not talking about the one the CIA installs. I'm talking about the counter revolution to the CIA's revolution. And in most cases, they don't immediately go back to a democracy, as you and I would call it. They come back with an equally strong man because they have to get rid of the usaid, they have to get rid of the Mafia. They have to get rid of all of the tenets that has been brought into their country.

[Clayton Morris]

Fascinating.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Clayton Morris]

I mean, it is like a whole level of chess. You know, people talk about this 4D chess, but they have us. I think it. In many ways, it's true, because they have us down here fighting while they're playing this other whole game, tricking us into backing this one strongman or, you know, this. This regime we're not into, but they're just pulling the strings behind this, behind the scenes, the entire time. So, you know, we could talk for hours, and I'd love to have you back. Let's do a deep dive before Christmas if we can, and maybe we'll even. We'll spend a lot of time on this, so let's.

[Natalie]

Oh, you're stealing her. I wanted to invite her to talk about.

[Clayton Morris]

Then you do.

[Natalie]

Okay. You can't have her. You're gonna get dueling texts from the both of us. Respond to me, not Clayton.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah. Whoever you respond to first is who.

[Natalie]

Will do the interview you like the best.

[Clayton Morris]

It'll be a bidding war. It'll be a bidding war.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

I love it. I love it.

[Clayton Morris]

No, Colonel Towner Watkins, we love having you on the show, and I think that you really help us cut through a lot of the bs, the propaganda out there. If you want to follow somebody on X who really understands it better than anyone, follow Colonel Towner Watkins on X. And let's put her X title back up here on the screen. Can you take her solo shot, Philip, and. And put it up there? There it is. Yeah. Colonel Towner, go follow her. Always great to see you. Thank you so much.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

Thank you for having me.

[Clayton Morris]

All right.

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[Natalie]

She's hitting on something that I've been thinking a lot about, because I don't want to get in the mud of partisan politics. I want us to collectively like us unredacted and us as an audience to collectively do better than that and try even harder to not get stuck in, like, the minutiae of dumb stuff, you know, I mean, we really try to do that already, but how can we do it even more? How can we talk about things?

[Clayton Morris]

It's hard because it's so alluring. I mean, David and I were talking about this the other day. It's so alluring to be like, oh, let's watch that tv. Back and forth. Candace Owens, BS it's like Piers Morgan said this with Nick Fuente. Tucker just released a video about 30 minutes ago just on his own channel, just by himself. Not the one with Theo Vaughn where he just, like, looked right to the camera and addressed, like, the Charlie Kirk assassination and talked about. He's like, I love Candace. I love Erica Kirk. This is why I've not been. Not wanted to get involved and throw. Talk about things that I don't know about and just be involved. And I thought that was a very, like, measured way of, like, addressing this whole thing.

[Natalie]

But anyway, well, these are the things that over our holiday break, Clayton and I will sit down and think, like, how can we better serve? How can we do better? You know? And so if you have ideas, please join us in our holiday. Sit down.

[Clayton Morris]

I just want to say we don't want to be like, a sensationalist show. Like, we want to just be. We want to go. We want to follow the facts wherever they take us. And if they're inconvenient or they're uncomfortable, then so be it. We don't have any adherence to any party here on this show.

You know, and that's just the way that we kind of approach everything. So we don't have any allegiances in that way. So hope you. Hope you understand that. Anyway. All right, we've got more news.

[Colonel Towner Watkins]

All right.

[Natalie]

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[Natalie]

Well, yesterday we talked about a new Justice Department directive that plans to track and prosecute domestic terrorists, which is really not a thing. The Constitution does not allow for domestic terrorism because that gives the power to. For the government to define any dissenters as terrorists. Well, the Trump department is saying, yeah, we, we want to do that. Here is some of the ways that they are defining domestic terrorist beliefs. I showed you the document this came from, and I just listed opposite opposition to immigration enforcement, extreme views in favor of mass migration. All of these are protected beliefs. Sure, they're leftist, but they. You're allowed to think those things, especially the last one, support for overthrowing the US Government. That's in the Declaration of Independence. So why is the Trump administration broadening their reach now and defining protected beliefs, beliefs as terrorist beliefs? Here's the document that this came from. It was a response to President Trump's memorandum in September called Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence. Not surprisingly, it was in the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination that the Trump administration decided to use it to expand their own powers and define domestic terrorism. Joining us to discuss is Ken Klippenstein from Clip News. This story broke and was published on their site and the document was an exclusive download. So thank you so much for joining us. Fantastic reporting. Can you even believe. I mean, I guess I don't want you to reveal your sources, but it's hard to believe this is real because it feels so Orwellian when you read it. So tell us a little bit about the origin of this document and whatever sources you'd like to reveal.

[Ken Klippenstein]

Yeah, so I think how crazy it sounds on its face is part of the reason it's got so little attention in the mainstream press. I think only Reuters has written about it and the Guardian, a British publication. But I put the document right there. People can go and read it for themselves. The Justice Department actually confirmed its authenticity just yesterday. So there's no question that this is happening. To give you a Sort of crash course in what this all means. It's basically creating, in essence, a bounty system for reporting on fellow Americans who are suspected of harboring those views and being motivated by those views in furtherance of terrorism. And so if you look at page two of that document you put up on the screen a moment ago, it describes the FBI establishing a fund to reward tipsters with.

That they can send to the FBI about people that they suspect advancing these views. And my point here, if you go, if you go down that list, a lot of that is left wing.

But some of it also isn't necessarily political, like not having traditional views of family. I mean, that could be bachelors, that could be non Christian. I'm Christian personally, but non Christianity. There are people of different. There are Jewish people. There are all kinds of different religious views that don't necessarily mean that you're a leftist. And so what I would try to stress here is that maybe if the focus seems left now, it's being defined very broadly, and the next administration that comes in might have a different view and be able to define these things differently. So I think it's really important that people push back just in principle.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, Ken, great job on this. And you brought up the bounty system here, which as soon as you said that, it just reminded me of the reporting that we've done here and talked about about the DIA app in Ukraine, which was really sort of the, the USAID rollout of the tracking app that they would use in Ukraine to rat on your neighbor. Like, you're basically able to go right inside the digital. You know, my neighbor is, you know, might have a Russian flag in his living room or might be doing something that I want you, the sbu, to come and check on. Like, I know that sounds like, oh, that's a bridge too far. That would never happen in the United States States. But then here you go revealing these documents. So I don't see it too far away now that we have all this Palantir involvement and everything else that's coming under the digital surveillance in the United States. Yeah.

[Ken Klippenstein]

The effect that this is going to immediately have. I'm working on a story right now. There was a very prestigious law firm in Washington called Covington and Burling. They put out an advisory to their clients, big corporate clients, saying that they anticipate that the effect of this memo that that I reported on Saturday is going to be to have a chilling effect on speech. And this is a elite corporate law firm which has no activist interest in advancing one view or another. They're just telling their clients this is going to be the effect. You know, conduct yourselves accordingly. And that's what's really negative. I mean, even short of arrests and all the things that the FBI can do through the joint terrorism task forces that they have in every state across the country after 9, 11, completely short of that, the effect we're already seeing according to that law firm and just common sense, if you read the directive, is it's gonna scare people and make them not wanna express things. And that is a big loss because that is what this country is supposed to be all about, is it doesn't matter what your views are, as long as you're not hurting anybody, you can express them. And unfortunately we're already seeing it have, have that effect and that's what the intended effect is.

[Clayton Morris]

That's a great point. Well, the threat, the threat of it.

[Natalie]

Right, right.

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[Natalie]

It's self censorship, which is also a violation of our First Amendment. Now this is something I had worried about yesterday because the Supreme Court has many times ruled that, that advocating for the abolition of the US Government or a major systematic change is protected speech as long as you are not inciting violence or lawless action. And so I would have to think that the Supreme Court would throw this document out and say the Department of Justice cannot do this. We cannot define domestic terrorists. This, this is a violation of First Amendment rights. But someone has to bring it to the court who would do that. Right. Maybe it's one of these law clients stepping out of bounds and saying, screw them, I don't care, I'm not self censoring. And then it goes. How do you see that? I mean, it really is only the courts that can take this power away right now.

[Ken Klippenstein]

Well, I think there would have to be broad based opposition on principled grounds to this, not just from the left wing and from the Democrats, but across the country with the long term realization that even if you're not being targeted with this now, there's going to be someone else in the White House. And if you look at the, say federal government's response to January 6, I don't think that should have been investigated as domestic terrorism. You know, if someone broke a window, if somebody, he damaged something, sure, charged him with.

Property destruction or something. But that was treated by the FBI under the Biden administration essentially as terrorism. So that shows you that the other party is willing to do this too. And I think it's very naive to look at this and say they're not going to come in with some kind of a political mandate, at the very least to try to do the same thing under pressure from their own supporters. So I think, again, opposition to this has to be principled or there isn't going to be, be a meaningful opposition at all. As to your point about the courts, unfortunately after 9 11, the courts have created entire legal apparatus to allow, I mean, in the news right now is these boat strikes. Well, you know what those remind me of? Those are very much like the targeted assassinations by drones under the Obama administration, which created the legal apparatus for them to go ahead and do that. Now we're seeing a very different politician, Donald Trump, doing something similar to a, you know, much different group here in our hemisphere. So, you know, I'm very skeptical that the legal approach is going to offer much in the way of a solution to this because they have had so much time to build this almost Calvin Ball doctrine of counter terrorism. That, that I agree with you, is completely contrary to the spirit of the Constitution. But unfortunately, these, these, you know, these law firms and years of case law have, have, have given them a really free hand. And unfortunately, that global war on terror, we're not seeing it come home. There's a focus on the hemisphere now. There's a focus on domestic terrorism. There's a focus on the Western hemisphere, the area around the United States. And that is something that should be debated. And when you look at Congress talking about.

Did they violate the rule of law, did they not? It's kind of like, it's kind of, besides the bigger, that's kind of, aside from the bigger question of like, should we have this colossus focused at home instead of at these groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda? And there really hasn't been much of a debate. It's focused more on these kind of very complicated legal questions rather than this big picture, I think, doctrinal point about what do we want to do and is it making us safer? I don't think it is.

[Natalie]

Right. And I'm stuck by your point that the media has not freaked out about this, that the Trump administration is labeling anti capitalism as a terrorist. Can we put that list up one more time that I pulled from the document? Because this is all the liberal media's favorite beliefs, you know, anti ice, you know, anti Christianity, open borders, anti Christianity. You would think that they would be afraid of this and freak out about it. Given how much they hate the term Trump administration, why would they be silent? And, you know, a lot of these things are things I do not believe, but I am freaking out because I believe that you should be able to believe them. So why are only libertarians freaking out about this? What do you think?

[Ken Klippenstein]

Yeah. So I've worked in the mainstream media for several years before going independent, and I have some insight into the manner of thinking. You know, it's dominated by folks in New York City in. In Washington, which isn't necessarily of itself bad. But that, you know, tends to be a certain viewpoint. And that viewpoint tends to, you know, tends to be liberal. And they tend to trust the institutions. They tend to like the FBI, they tend to like the Justice Department. And because of that, just based on my personal conversations, I think there's this sense that, well, you know, this is some crazy directive, but those guys aren't going to implement this because that would just be too crazy. They're going to realize that they shouldn't do this.

[Natalie]

And.

Who thinks that the government's gonna not exercise power? Okay, that's a good one.

[Clayton Morris]

They're, like, restraining themselves at the top of the segment.

[Ken Klippenstein]

You made the point that this is what I reported last week was the implementation order of the National Security Presidential Memorandum seven from a couple of months ago. So I had hoped that. I've been banging my drum trying to draw attention to NSPM7, which really is an assault on the. On American speech that I don't think we want. I don't think any sensible person wants. And this implementation order, this is basically if that was the war plan NSPM 7, this is kind of the tactical plan for, like, here's how you're gonna go about doing that thing that Trump signed several months ago. So this I had hoped would tell people they're serious about this. It's not just rhetoric. I understand that Trump says things sometimes and he can be a troll, and he's not always serious about things that he says. But you don't to have. Have the Justice Department drafting a memo like this and sending it to every federal agency signed by her and with specifics about put money into this fund to reward people for tips. Go back retroactively five years through your intelligence that you already have and see if you can reopen cases to make terrorism cases. I mean, there are all these specifics in it about how you go about implementing that. This is serious stuff. This is not just rhetoric. I had hoped that they would wake up to that fact, but so far, only Reuters has written, is the only major American media institution that's written anything about it. And I think it's because of that kind of reflexive faith in institutions that media tends to have they tend to believe in the system.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, I guess. Okay, I guess. Ken, we'll get you out of here on this, which is. Has the Trump DOJ FBI commented to you at all as you furthered this story?

[Ken Klippenstein]

Only to say that it's authentic, and they themselves posted the document. And I naively thought, oh, gosh, well, look, here it is from the horse's mouth. They're saying that what I had was true. Because people look at this and they think, this is too crazy. This can't be real.

[Natalie]

This is too crazy.

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[Ken Klippenstein]

And I kind of get that. I'm sympathetic.

[Clayton Morris]

I understand.

[Ken Klippenstein]

I thought it was crazy when I saw it. But now that the Justice Department's come out and verified it, like, any number of media can now not have to worry about the sourcing or anything, because I can't. I obviously can't get into that because I don't want to get anyone in trouble. But it's right out there, and you can go and read it, look at it. And unfortunately, I haven't seen a single cable news segment. Haven't seen anything in the New York Times or the Washington Post. It's like a total blackout. Shows like yours have been fantastic about this. Independent media, very interested. When I talk to ordinary people, people care about this stuff. So it's not like they're just bored by it or anything, but the media just won't talk about it.

[Clayton Morris]

So strange. So strange. Ken Klippenstein, great to see you so much. Thank you so much for your great work on here. Where can people read your work if they're not familiar with. With your. Now that you. Now that you're independent, where can people go and. And follow you?

[Ken Klippenstein]

I run a [e-mail]. it's all free. You can just sign up for it and get all this stuff right in your inbox.

[Natalie]

Yeah. It's fantastic.

[Clayton Morris]

Ken, great to see you. Thank you so much for your great work.

[Ken Klippenstein]

Thanks, guys. My pleasure.

[Maria Z]

Thanks, Ken.

[Clayton Morris]

Come back soon. All right.

[Natalie]

He killed.

[Ken Klippenstein]

That.

[Natalie]

That was. I mean, you guys, are we gonna let this happen? We're not gonna get freaked out about this. I'm freaked out about this. I think that. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna. I'm gonna. Maybe I'll even make a shirt. It's gonna say, not a thing. Hate crimes, domestic terrorists. What else should we put on? Because these are terms that sound misinformation, like that. These are things that give the government power, and it sounds good. Go ahead, Philip.

[Philip]

Well, the thing is like, these are all so, so, like amorphous.

[Clayton Morris]

None of this is strictly defined. So they even say, like being anti Christian. Well, what, what does that mean? Like Catholic? Is that, you know, is it, is.

[Philip]

It the one true Christianity that you can't be against?

[Clayton Morris]

Can you be Coptic Christian? You know, like where, where, where are they drawing these lines? None of this stuff is defined.

[Ken Klippenstein]

What's true?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, what's true? Exactly.

[Maria Z]

Right.

[Philip]

Church of England.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Okay, give me some more ideas for this idea. And I'm going to start with a graphic. Hate crimes are not a thing. Crimes are a thing. That's it. Domestic terrorists, not a thing. It's not allowed. What else? We're going to work on this. This is. We're workshopping.

[Clayton Morris]

Guys, planes didn't bring down the, the Twin towers.

[Natalie]

No, no, these are abstract.

[Clayton Morris]

Okay, then I'll come up with my own shirt. It'll be a wholly separate stuff. Okay, we'll do a. We'll do our own building.

[Natalie]

I don't feel like you're understanding what. I'm out of here. But we'll work on it.

[Clayton Morris]

We'll have two competing shirts and see.

[Natalie]

We'Re competing for everything today, like Colonel Tanner Watkins. So. Okay.

[Clayton Morris]

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[Clayton Morris]

By the way, I just want to say thank you to all of you who subscribe to the show. I really appreciate that. I know many of you who subscribe say that you don't get notifications, that it's often suppressed. You don't find us showing up in your feed. And I know, I know, I know. We've been dealing with this for many, many years. But anyway, if you do subscribe, there's a little bell notification. You can turn on all notifications and hopefully when we're live, you'll actually receive that notification. God knows I don't know what YouTube does to us, but that's what we're dealing with. So thank you for subscribing. Whether on rumble, on YouTube or on X, we definitely appreciate it. So thank you for that. All right, how are we looking here in the chat room? And we got to bring in our next guest because I want to talk about this. Well, it is official. Social media is now banned for kids 16 and under all across Australia. Here is the headline this morning. Australia's Social Media Ban for Children takes Effects. Takes effect. The measure which affects Anyone under 16 is one of the most sweeping efforts in the world to safeguard young people from potential harms of the platforms. Look at all those happy kids in that photo from the New York Times. They're all so happy because you, you know what? They're not on social media and they're playing with teddy bears. Like, that's the message you're being sent here in this New York Times piece. But let me just read it a little bit further. Not that I want to read New York Times, but, you know, it's worth seeing how the mainstream media is portraying this. Hundreds of thousands of teenagers in Australia awoke Wednesday to find their social media accounts logged out or deactivated under a new law that bars anyone under 16 from services. The day marked the launch of of sweeping governmental effort to shelter children from the potential harms associated with such platforms, putting the country at the vanguard of regulating social media services that parents and educators worry have ensnared a generation of young people.

Like all the young people in Australia, who are learning the truth about COVID But their government kept them under lockdown and even separated them and put them into different camps and quarantines. Like maybe people on these platforms might actually learn information. Maybe that's what it is. I don't know at the heart of it. So today we wanted to bring in the show, into the show, Maria Z. She's the founder of Z Media, who's been watching this very, very closely. Great to have you on the show for the first time. Maria, welcome.

[Maria Z]

Great to see you both. And let me just say it's great to be here. I absolutely have a lot of respect for everything that you do, especially cutting through the left, right nonsense that we are force fed because this is actually about much more than left and right. So thank you.

[Clayton Morris]

Oh, my pleasure. And thank you for, thank you for saying that because you know, often when I see these types of stories, right, it requires us to go multiple layers deeper here to see what's really going on. So on the surface, they're selling it to us as we're protect. Even the words in the New York Times, they're sheltering our children. They're sheltering our children, protecting them from the evils of social media, which to be clear, yes, there's a lot of evil on social media. But what's really going on here, let's.

[Maria Z]

Be very, very clear and explicit about what this is. This has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children, especially from a government that thinks it's just fine for them to be mutilating their genitals while they are under 18 years old. So they are not interested in protecting children. What this is really about is digital id. And they will not admit that, but that is where this is heading. And I can tell you how quickly this developed in Australia. In December of last year, they rammed through this legislation despite there being a lot of pushback. Australia is not a country, as in the Australian government.

Is not a government that cares about democracy or what their constituents actually feel or think or say. They will make things up as they go in order to achieve essentially what is Agenda 2030. And so despite the immense pushback, they rammed through this legislation and just six months later, Clayton, they started to admit that, oh well, yes, maybe we will be using digital ID for this. So as it stands, Australian children, hundreds of thousands, thousands of them, we don't know how many, maybe half a million, maybe 1 million, woke up to not having access to social media overnight. That is true. And we're yet to see how this is actually going to play out because apparently we're hearing reports that, you know, some of them are giving photos of their older brothers or a Labrador and passing through the age verification checks that way. Now it's really interesting because ahead headline has come out just, just today in Australia, msm and let me read you the title and how dystopian this is. They know major warning to teens looking to circumvent Australia's historic social media ban as under 16s booted from platforms. So they're warning children now, don't you dare because the government's watching and they know if you're trying to circumvent this, but most importantly, Clayton, is how do you prove that you're not, not under 16? Well, that means that every adult will have to prove their age and link their identity and their verification to their online activity, thus in effect creating a digital ID system and eventually a social credit system. This is where this is heading, I can promise you.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, no, that's very, very smart because it's not about the kids, it's about the adults. It's about getting everyone to sign in and authenticate information on the Internet. So now you're signed in using your digital id, which is all about tracking. They know exactly where you are, exactly where you've been, exactly where you're going. And this is all part of this Big Brother surveillance network that's being enrolled out. This is just a test bed in Australia, right? I mean, we're going to start to see this. We're already starting to see it. Of course in Europe, we're going to start to see it more, more prominently in the United States. Make no mistake about it, right?

[Maria Z]

I hate to break everyone's heart, but it's already passed in Texas. As of 1 January 2026, every single adult in Texas, per Bill SB 2420, will have to do age verify, submit to age verification to use basic services like Apple or Google. In Australia, they said that eventually they admitted that adults would have to even verify their age to conduct a basic Google search. And of course, this wasn't immediately told to the Australian people once it was introduced as an under 16 social media age ban. It was later revealed to them. So this is how this goes, Clayton. It is happening in lockstep across multiple countries. I can rattle off a few bills right now in America. They're actually being discussed on Thursday. We have HR 6289, which includes age verification. It's a Promoting a Safe Internet for Minors Act. So that will require age verification. Let me just say they will never say digital ID initially because that terrifies everyone. So they're saying age verification. And how do they do that. Well, they say, well, it can be a number of factors. If you would like to give us your government id, you can. Otherwise we can use things like age estimation. We'll collect your biometrics. We'll, we'll, we'll use facial recognition, like Roblox is now proposing, for example. And, and we will, we will use all these other methods to estimate your age and assure the government that we have done that through our third parties that just so often happen to be linked to palantir. There's also HR 6437, the kids Internet Safety Partnership act, which requires age verification. Mike Lee, and I don't know what he's thinking and I certainly don't know his intent, but he is introducing something at the federal level called the App Store Accountability act, and that is it openly says it on his website, lee.senate.gov that it will require app stores to utilize, quote, privacy, protecting, age verification methods. Eventually, Clayton, this does become digital id. They may initially, and to be honest with you, I think in Australia, they've designed it in a way that they want it to, to fail. For example, people using a photo of their Labrador and getting through. Right. They're saying, well, all these kids are still circu. Circumventing the guardrails that we've put in place. Now we have to go with something like digital ID because it's just not working. And that is that, that is that those are the steps that they take. And they always do it under the guise of protecting children because who in their right mind would object to protecting children from harm?

[Clayton Morris]

You.

[Maria Z]

You would sound like a horrible person. But it's important for Americans to understand this is being raced through. There's 18 bills tomorrow being discussed around child safety online. Many of them require age verification. It's coming like a freight train.

[Clayton Morris]

Someone in our chat room, David Jackson says. David Jackson says she smells a rat. Yes, exactly. You've hit the nail on the head. But maybe you can talk about the mechanics of this digital id, because a lot of times we throw around these buzzwords, digital id, all of those things, and I think that maybe goes over a lot of people's heads because they don't understand the mechanics of the sort of data collection of all of these things. So maybe you can walk us through how this, the nefarious side of this, like, once we're using a digital ID for all of this, how can they track us? How can they provide some sort of social credit score, prevent us from doing certain things? Maybe you can walk through why this is so nefarious.

[Maria Z]

Absolutely. A digital id, when people think about it, they think of a digital version of your driver's license, right? Like it's a, it's a card that exists in the cloud somewhere. But that's not necessarily what digital ID is. It is a number of different factors that form your digital twin, if you will, online that the goal is to have managed by one central pan power, one central Silicon Valley power, for example, though they're not quite there yet. And there are many, many different factors that lead to the point of a digital ID in society. For example, the mobile driver's licenses, real ID in the U.S. by the way, the TSA is going to be penalizing Americans from next year, from February, if they don't use a real id, which they were originally told wasn't mandatory. So, so bit by bit they impose these things on you to get you used to having your activities linked with your identity digitized and, and over time it forms this digital profile of you and your interaction with online platforms, including your speech on those platforms. What you look at, what you click on, what you say and, and develops this digital twin of you that later on can be weaponized against you. And I can tell you right now, I'm releasing a report this Friday about what the WHO and Bill Gates are planning in relation to digital id. They are wanting to track children from the time that they are born and send out little notifications if they're not up to date on their injections, making sure that the unreached are always injected. This is part the of the plan when it comes to digital id and the key word that they keep using is interoperability. So while some states might say, right, well, we're going to have a digital ID here in, I don't know, Texas, I'm in Texas, let's just say Texas, we're going to have a digital ID in Texas here. And it's not going to be at a federal level, but what the back end might have is interoperability, meaning that, okay, even though it's not a federal digital id, it can be recognized in Utah or Minnesota or Canada or Europe. And this is their whole goal. It is a worldwide dossier, digital dossier that is available on you worldwide, so that no matter where you go, every single government or big tech company that is part of the technocracy that is looming will know what your views are. The WHO admits that they're going to collect information about your race, your ethnicity, ethnicity, your religion, your injection status. It's all going to form part of this digital dossier that will be used against you. And I'll just say one more thing, that in the plans of the United nations, the, the, the written plans of a group called the AI World Society, they openly admit that once a digital currency that's controlled by them is rolled out, it will be doled out like through a universal basic income, for example, based on people's compliance with the system. They say it won't, you won't be punished, but you just won't receive your universal basic income digital currency if you don't behave in a way that is congruent with our agenda. These are published documents that I've been reporting on for years now. It is extremely dystopian. Again, Australia is not the only country that is doing this. I'll just rattle off a very quick list to you. You have Denmark, France, Malaysia, uk, Germany, Spain, the European Union, obviously Greece, Brazil and of course the US are all working on what is going to form digital id, the ultimate control system. And you will. Once a digital ID is in place, it is impossible for you to stand against any agendas. The conversation you were just having with your prior guest, Natalie, you wouldn't be allowed to have it with a digital ID because all of a sudden it's linked to your banking, your ability to pay your bills, your ability to travel. Everything is linked, digitally managed by Sauron at Palantir Sauron.

[Clayton Morris]

That's a good way to put it. Exactly. I'll get you out of here on this, Maria. Which is what are the kids saying? I mean, you know, in Australia, 16 and under, I mean, not that they're like an organized group that are out there, taken to the streets, 12 year olds and so forth. You took away her or Snapchat or whatever. But what's, you know, what is the backlash in Australia look like?

[Maria Z]

Yeah, it's important to focus on the impact on children. And of course social media is bad for them, it's bad for me, for goodness sake. But it's not up to the government to be their parent. And just one quick tidbit, Clayton. It's reported that now this creepy video from the Prime Minister is playing across schools in Australia in a very Maoist fashion, reminding them. And I'm translating his words. My interpretation is, don't worry children, the government is now your father because your parents aren't capable of managing you. So we will now have to. And children, of course, they feel lost. A lot of their support networks are online. There are a lot of kids who are struggling through this ever changing world. And they depend on the Internet to learn, to become functioning members of society that are expected to use the Internet. So it's impacting them horribly. And there is, I will say one other thing. There is a High Court challenge where two children are actually involved in that because it is, they've said that the impact on them is, is drastic and very damaging. And so that's set to go ahead next year, I believe we'll see where that heads. But we can't forget the negative impacts on the children of just shutting them off. And ultimately, Clayton, the decision is on the parents. When we have the government stepping in and saying this is harmful to children. So we're gonna, we're gonna circumvent the will of the parents and make it illegal. That is just terrifying. We can't allow this.

[Clayton Morris]

No, absolutely. 100%. Like the parents need to be involved in these conversations like we are with our own kids. Maria, great to see you. Great to have you here on the show. I hope, hope you come back. Thank you so much. Very, very smart.

[Maria Z]

Thank you so much.

[Clayton Morris]

Appreciate it. Wow. I'd love to hear what you guys think. I mean, it is, it is. And her point truly about, of course it's not just about the kids. It is absolutely about making sure that we're all signed in. So we have to prove that we're over 21, you know, to be able to use services. Yeah, that blew my mind. It's true. Really is. Yeah. I mean, would you use a service like, I mean, well, you might have no choice. But yesterday, of course, we did a deep dive in this video we'll publish. We're going to have an interview with Hakeem Anwar coming out because we really talked about Linux, you know, like using Linux using open source app applications, not being tied into, you know, Google and these other services or aws and trying to remove yourself as much as you can from these other services. I think you're going to see a shift like, you know, Linux as an operating system, most people use Windows, which is awful, right?

I mean, and what's coming in Windows 12, I'm telling you, it's awful stuff, right? And then people that use a Mac, so market share of like people that use a Mac is like what, 8%, something like that. People that use Windows, it's like over 90%, which is terrible. And Linux has. Now it's an open source, right? It's sort of many different versions of Linux that exist out there, right? It's, it's open source. It's not controlled by any one person. You can take Linux and kind of fork it however you want. I mean, look what Steam has done, right? So, but there's. The number of people now using Linux is growing. It's growing at a really interesting rate. And more and more people are saying, I want to move to Linux. So I think you're going to start to see, mark my words. And the thing is no one can make money off of Linux. That's the thing, right? Like there's no Linux Corporation that's making money off of it, right? So it's going to grow, you mark my words. In the next few years, as what Maria just talked about explodes, you're going to start to see more and more people like looking for these alternatives so they can unplug, be out of this sort of palantir digital surveillance world and move to something else. I think it's coming, but that's just my, that's my conspiracy theory. But I think it's happening. Like, even if you just like look on the gaming side of things, I mean, look at the explosion, you know, steamos of course, is built on Linux. The proton layer that's built on top of that allows people to play like Windows, you know, windows games on SteamOS, which is built on Linux. And that's growing and growing and growing. So I think you're going to just see a big shift. Come on. I think you are.

Spoke plumpin says Windows 10 was the last Windows. They said so themselves. We're on Windows 11. What are you talking about? And Windows 12 is coming out. Windows 12 telling you.

Nerdvana says. Clayton just had a light bulb moment. I did, but I've been thinking about it for a while. I'm actually looking to move more to Linux myself actually. And if I can, you know.

[Philip]

You know what's funny is I had, I was always a PC guy and I was getting laptops and it was like every year I ended up having to replace them, whether it was because of some virus or something like that. And then I got my first Mac and had it for six years.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, remember back in the day we used to buy those Dell computers, those like Windows Dell computers, and invariably they would always break around like nine or 10 months, months into it. You'd call the, call the call center and you got somebody in India, you know, like from the Dell call center. And you know, so those things were just garbage. Windows is garbage, as we know. And.

So, yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Once I started using a Mac years ago, I'm, I've, I'll never, I'll never go back. The only PC that we use here is because of, you know, we have to with our streaming software. Otherwise I would not have it in the house, not have it in our studio at all. But yeah, Windows is the worst. And if you know what Microsoft is doing behind the scenes and like their relationship with the government and all of that, it's just run. It's like, it's like if someone's like, hey, would you like a Google computer? No, I'm sorry, would you like an Android phone? I mean, I know, look, you can say the same about Apple because all of their, you know, all these apps are running through Amazon Web Web Services as you know, so. And the relationship that Amazon Web Services has with the CIA and, and all of it. So it's all just one big happy family at the end of the day. At the end of the day, I.

[Philip]

Wish, I wish that Apple wouldn't still have their beef with intel and, and Nvidia because I don't know if you remember the 2013 Max had the intel chips with the Nvidia graphic cards and they just were so much better and we could do like, we could run our stream on, on a Mac if they still did that.

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah.

[Philip]

So.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, you remember back in the day and I don't know what this situation is right now with Apple, I used to cover them much more deeply when I was back at Fox News and I was, you know, I would go out to Apple events and do all, you know, all that kind of stuff. But I, I've been removed more from that world. But I remember back in the day, not too long ago when Tim Cook and Apple stood up to the FBI when like, no, we're not like building like a back door into our iPhones so you can just have access. Like no, like go to Google like your friends, you know, that's where you got your money. CIA and darpa like go, go to your friends at Google and get your backdoor access over there. But we're not going to do it. And they stood up to him. I mean it almost got to the point was going through Congress like it was going to be like Apple going head to head against the FBI, you know, for your, for your privacy. Like we're not going to do it. Yeah, but you're, then you're helping terrorists. It's like, okay, well then you guys figure it out. But we're not going to give you backdoor access to our devices, like as a, as a secret channel. So I mean, yeah, they can subpoena phones, they can subpoena records. Right. I'm at cloud messages and all that kind of stuff. Like that's something that the government can do.

And then Apple complies with that. But for them to like build a back door into these things, Apple hasn't done it. I don't know if that's changed. Changed, but never.

[Philip]

Yeah, no, it hasn't changed from, from my understanding that's, that's one of the main reasons I, I like Apple. I mean, it's, you know, because you have trackers and other apps and stuff that are on that device. But you know, as far as Apple themselves. Yeah, they won't just give up your information.

[Clayton Morris]

Well, so many people got pissed. All these develop, all these app makers got so pissed when Apple and their new. Two years ago they rolled out that new software that it says ask your app not to track you. Like, and it pops up with a big warning right on the front of it and it's like, allow the app to track you or don't allow the app to track you. And so many developers were like, apple, why would you do that? And they're like, because we want people to let you know if they want to be tracked. They can choose to be tracked or not. But so funny is if you download like Facebook or one of these other apps, like the app will say, hey, we really think it's important for you to allow us to, to kind of follow you around the web so we can give you the best experience possible. And hey, on this next page you might see a little pop up that tells you to, you know, so they're almost like trying to pre warn you, hey, Apple's about to ask you if you want us to track you. We at Facebook think it's probably a really good idea for you to allow us to track you.

[Philip]

Like, sorry, this has been going on forever. I remember back in the day when I had, you know, I was doing like Internet marketing and I had a pretty decent size email list from my blog and stuff like that. And I had a company reach out and they offered me money to buy my list and I, and I always put on the bottom of my email list like, will not sell your information. You know, like that was a thing that you put under there, sell or share their information. But there are, there are still agencies that are out there wanting to buy your data and they will pay top dollar for it.

[Clayton Morris]

Yes. Simon, in our chat room in Our, in our personal chat with our team here says that PewDiePie, he's been doing a full series of switching to Linux open source, making his own Raspberry PI supported gadgets. I know, I know the problem is it's so darn tough. But like, you know, we have an interview coming out here soon with our friend Hakeem Anwar over at Above Phone and you know they've actually built like Linux laptops which, with a really nice like GUI interface to it. So you know, you're not just like sitting there on the command line trying to do things with just like a flashback flashing cursor, you know, you've actually got like a nice interface. It looks almost like a Mac when you open it, but it's running Linux and so that no one's making money off of what you're doing, you know. And it can be a fully like offline device. And so I think you're gonna see more and more of that. The other day I did a story about 6G and someone in our chat in the one of you guys, one of your viewers wrote Clayton, how can we opt out of this? And I was like, you can't like 6G, like it's gonna be everywhere. What do you think you're gonna, it's going to be on telephone poles all over the place. Like the only really way you're going to get it to be able to opt out of it is like to move to like rural Colorado or Wyoming or someplace, you know, or Alaska where they don't have any 6G towers. So we're gonna have to figure a way to like fight back on this. I don't exactly know. And again as you pointed out, like 5G, like they haven't even fully vetted 5G and they just allowed that to roll out. And all of the people that complain about hell health, you know, health problems as it relate as it relates to that. Now we're moving to 6G. Watch that video I did the other day if you, if you're more interested. And I did a deep dive on it.

So yeah, I, you know, again I like Linux. I've been using it more and more because I use Steam a lot and so I, plus I've got this. Yeah. Anyway, not to go off that tangent, but I, I think it's coming just like everything else.

[Philip]

Like my, my thing is like with Bitcoin and everything they have to like lower the barrier of entry a little bit if they're going to want it to be widely adopted. Like they're Going to have to make it, you know, like where Hakeem was talking about having a laptop, you got to have a setup process that people go through that are coming from Windows or coming from. From Apple so that they understand, like, what they're getting themselves into. You know, just like a real step by step. Here's how you set it up and here's how you make sure you're not trash, because the average consumer is not going to understand that. I mean, like, Linux is something like tech guys install. You know what I mean?

[Clayton Morris]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, the fact that you've got like, PewDiePie, you know, like famous streamer and, you know, YouTuber and what Twitch streamer and all, you know, all of that, like, he's building like his own, like, Linux infrastructure, like, and, you know, he's doing a whole series on. Because it's not easy to do.

So but to me, there's a market for this. Then, like, can. I don't know. There's gonna be. I think there's gonna be a big pushback away from this in the next couple of years because as more and more people wake up and they realize that they've been tracked to the nines, you know, so. Oh, all these devices that are like, listening to us all the time and everyone's got like a. You know, the phone is arguably the worst thing you can possibly have. Right.

[Natalie]

Point.

[Clayton Morris]

Because it is doing every. It's doing all of the hard work. It's doing all of the hard work for the men, for the men in black, so to speak, right now when.

[Philip]

You'Ve got like, well, that's the thing.

[Clayton Morris]

Like devices in your house. And I mean, it's like you're doing all the, you're doing all the easy lifting for that or the hard lifting for them. You're giving them access to all.

[Philip]

Yes. Like, we're, we're all freaking out about the digital id, and I've been freaking out about the real ID and all that other stuff, and I'm basically carrying the, the biggest proponent of it in my pocket every day, right.

[Clayton Morris]

David's like, I'm not getting a real id, but he's like, let me look something up here on my iPhone. Let me use an AWS app. Hey, Google, can you tell me more about this digital ID everyone's telling me about? I know we're, we are. We're all walking contradictions and in many ways walking hypocrites. But that's, that's kind of the nature of things. You know, people are Like, I'm not going to support that guy. He did this in this whatever. And then, you know, the per. That person's, like, wearing some sort of, like, a sweatshirt that's made in some sex slave, you know, like factory in Somalia.

[Philip]

Protesting capitalism. Wearing Apple watches and Nike shoes.

[Clayton Morris]

Exactly. Yeah. Everyone's a. I don't want to. I don't want to embarrass David, but that kind of reminds me when we were younger. I think he would have been maybe 23, 24. And he had this black Ford Escort with a bumper sticker on it that said only animals should wear fur. And then he gets out of it one day, and he's wearing his black leather jacket. And I was like, dude.

Gotta pick your battles.

[Philip]

Yeah, I don't even know why I would have put that bumper sticker on my car. Because that's like. I don't know.

[Clayton Morris]

I don't know. It was. It was there because I just. I distinctly remember it just because it was funny because you wore a leather.

[Philip]

Jacket, had leather shoes and. Yeah, I had leather shoes.

[Clayton Morris]

He was a fur trapper. Yeah, he's still a fur trapper. All right, that's gonna do it for us here. I think that's gonna do it for us. Am I right, Phil?

[Philip]

And on that note.

Yeah, I believe that's everything.

[Clayton Morris]

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