Nick Fuentes & Tucker Carlson DESTROY Ben Shapiro, Cuomo collapses to a socialist | Redacted

Summary

Podcast Summary: Redacted News – “Nick Fuentes & Tucker Carlson DESTROY Ben Shapiro, Cuomo collapses to a socialist | Redacted”

Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: Clayton & Natali Morris
Guests: Dan McAdams, Jim Jotch

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Overview

This episode dives into the aftermath of the U.S. election results, the shifting political landscape in New York City, deep divides within the conservative movement (especially regarding Israel and America First), the feasibility of peace with Russia in Ukraine, and the failure of youth suicide prevention efforts. The hosts aim to challenge mainstream narratives and highlight independent perspectives, with a particular focus on the fracturing of right-wing media and the increasing influence of young, disillusioned voters.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. 2025 Election Results: The NYC Shift (02:59–13:15)

• Main Theme:
  The surprising victory of Zohran Mamdani, a Muslim socialist, as NYC mayor—supported by a substantial portion of young Jewish voters—signals changing attitudes within key Democratic constituencies and reflects broader dissatisfaction with both parties.

• Points Discussed:

  • Mainstream media’s postmortems are missing the real issue: increasing frustration with the establishment and “uni party.”
  • Mamdani’s focus: Prioritizing NYC’s affairs over global interests like maintaining economic ties with Israel.
  • Jewish vote dynamics:
    Older Jewish voters backed Cuomo (establishment, pro-Israel) while younger Jews turned out heavily for Mamdani.
  • Quote (Clayton, 03:58):
    “Almost 70% of young New York City Jews voted for a Muslim mayor who vowed to divest from Israel instead of focusing on New York City.”
  • Guest Rabbi David Feldman (09:44):
    “We need politicians to be on the right side of history and to speak up for the oppressed… We should give them the freedom to express what they believe is right.”

• Implications:

  • Unprecedented alignment between progressive Jews and pro-Palestinian candidates.
  • Reflects anti-‘Israel First’ sentiment growing among younger demographics.
  • Is this a sign of a truly shifting political order, or another phase in the disappointment cycle?

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2. Disillusionment with Partisan Politics (12:42–16:23)

• Cycle of Disappointment: Voters repeatedly switch between parties hoping for change, only to be let down.

  • Dan McAdams (13:15):
    “I made the decision many years ago back in 2002 that I wouldn’t vote anymore… There’s a theoretical at the time that I may vote again. In fact, when RFK announced and I started seeing some of the things he was saying from the beginning about COVID, I thought he was going to be good. But then he imploded on foreign policy…”

• JD Vance, Tucker Carlson, and the New Right Divide:

  • Debates within the conservative movement about foreign influence, “America First” vs. “Israel First.”
  • Dan McAdams (14:57):
    “I wouldn’t believe J.D. Vance. He’s on the team right now… I’ll tell you what would make me jump out of my seat and re-register and vote and that’d be if Thomas Massie ran.”

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3. The Democrat “Victory” and Unclear Platform (16:02–17:31)

• Democrats win by default, not vision:
  • Their platform remains vague; victories are more about GOP alienation than policy excitement.
  • Dan McAdams (17:06):
    “There was a… relatively small group of the electorate who got President Trump elected. They wanted [crypto] doge and… no foreign wars. What did they get? The middle finger.”

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4. Peace with Russia: No Longer an Option? (21:12–33:02)

• Guest: Jim Jotch, former State Department adviser

  • Opening Stance (21:59):
    “I wouldn’t say it’s too late for a peace deal. I would say there never was any prospect for a peace deal… even if Trump really wanted to make a deal with the Russians, I don’t think it could be implemented.”

• Key Insights:

  • The U.S. government’s dysfunction renders treaties unenforceable—even under an anti-war president.
  • Russia holds most of the military cards and can escalate at will; U.S./NATO is overstretched.
  • The likely outcomes: Either Russia pushes all the way to eliminate the Ukrainian state or escalation drags NATO in.
  • Map Analysis (27:24–29:36):
    Focus on how Russian advances change the practical reality—Ukraine may become, at best, a “rump state” or, at worst, disappear as a functional country.
  • Jotch on Russian objectives (29:43):
    “Militarily they do. Yes. [Russia holds all the cards.]”
  • Central dilemma:
    Even if territorial goals are met, Russia wants demilitarization and neutrality—objectives no Western treaty can guarantee.

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5. Youth Suicide Prevention Programs—A Failed Experiment (36:22–44:29)

• Host: Natalie highlights a damning study:
  • Recent findings published in JAMA show suicide prevention initiatives for young people have failed; no evidence they ever worked.
  • The mental health industry has been “experimenting on children in real time” with no positive results.
  • Natalie (36:22):
    “Mental health professionals never had any proof [their interventions] did [help]. They’ve been experimenting on children in real time… All the while, the suicide rate has gone up for young people.”
  • Social contagion and media coverage exacerbate the problem—more talk about suicide correlates with higher rates.
  • SSRIs and Side Effects:
    Increase in prescribed meds could be worsening outcomes; government slow to react.
  • Critique:
    The system blames and surveils children (“tell on your friends”), further traumatizing communities.
  • Natalie’s Conclusion:
    “People who failed to stop suicide and may have made it worse should not be the ones to come up with what comes next.”

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6. Conservative Civil War: Ben Shapiro vs. Tucker Carlson & Nick Fuentes (47:02–63:02)

• Backdrop:

  • The growing fracture between “America First” conservatives (Carlson, Fuentes) and “Israel First” gatekeepers (Shapiro, Levin).
  • Shapiro launches an ad-free, whole-episode attack on Fuentes and Carlson.

• Key Segments & Quotes:

  • Ben Shapiro (49:42):
    “No to the Groypers. No to their publicists like Tucker Carlson. No to those who champion them. No to demoralization. No to bigotry and anti meritocratic horseshit. No to anti-Americanism. No. This is our country, this is our party, and this is our conservative movement… That is a path to defeat and a path to moral oblivion.”
  • Nick Fuentes Response (50:58–52:25):
    “That’s how you know they mean business. When Ben Shapiro turns down the money from the advertisers… 40 minute video and about 50% of it was just my clips. Fuentes this, Fuentes that. He’s a Nazi, sexist Holocaust denier. Whoa, you’re sounding like… Rachel Maddow.”
  • Violence Hypocrisy Theme (53:05–57:43):
    • Fuentes: Pro-Israel conservatives call opponents Nazis but justify real violence against Palestinians.
    • Nick Fuentes (53:05):
      “You can say kill 2 million people and you’re fine. You’re not genocidal… because you’re Jewish and you’re pro Israel… if you say America shouldn’t support Israel, now you’re the irredeemable, reprehensible, anti-Semitic Holocaust denier.”
    • Tucker Carlson on Dave Smith’s show (55:16):
      “They are openly pro violence. So how in the world could you justify killing tens of thousands of children…? You’re celebrating violence, and they celebrate violence day after day... That's why I oppose you.”
  • Host (Clayton, 57:43):
    “Shapiro and Levin and these clowns realize that their group is losing power fast. Americans have had enough. We’re sick and tired of you lecturing us, telling us that conservatives can’t be America First…”

• Wider Impact:

  • Growing youth and internet-based conservative discontent with “old-guard, Israel-first” voices.
  • Mainstream attempts to dismiss or suppress critics are backfiring, growing the America First base.

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7. Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Aid Debate (61:26–65:44)

• Kill Ratios, Defining ‘Combatants,’ and Civilians:
  • Natalie (61:26):
    “According to them, 1.5 civilians for every combatant is an acceptable ratio… Israel never is able to defend who they call a combatant.”
  • U.S. aid to Israel critiqued, especially as Israel has a budget surplus and advanced technology (e.g., space force) while America deals with homelessness.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan McAdams (07:37):
  “Here’s someone who’s different now… all the things that they say about him… are exaggerated. I’m sure he’ll do some stupid things… but it absolutely is a barometer of the shifting tone, the shifting level of interest in the American people on… administration’s policies.”
• Jim Jotch (21:59):
  “There never was any prospect for a peace deal.”
• Natalie (44:29):
  “People who failed to stop suicide and may have made it worse should not be the ones to come up with what comes next, especially if they’re ignoring social contagion and antidepressants as a cause. So f*** those people is what I want to say.”
• Clayton (57:43):
  “Americans have had enough. We’re sick and tired of you lecturing us…”
• Dave Smith via Twitter (59:10):
  “You war thirsty scumbags have ruined everything for 25 years… and you will never kill the awakening of the American people, which is way overdue.”

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Election Night & NYC Political Shift: 02:59–13:15
• Dan McAdams on the Uniparty & Disillusionment: 12:42–16:23
• Ukraine/Russia War – Is Peace Possible? (Jim Jotch): 21:12–33:02
• Youth Suicide Prevention Programs Debunked: 36:22–44:29
• Shapiro vs. Tucker/Fuentes Conservative Split: 47:02–63:02
• Discussion on Israel Aid and U.S. Priorities: 61:26–65:44

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Overall Tone

• Language: Blunt, occasionally profane, anti-establishment; guests and hosts are unsparing in criticism of both parties, the Israel lobby, and the mainstream right.
• Mood: Energetic, combative, determinedly independent, skeptical of authorities and media narratives.

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Conclusion

This episode of Redacted News surfaces the core fractures within American political culture in 2025: generational divides, the exhaustion with the “Uni Party,” disillusionment among young voters, and a clear break within the conservative movement—especially on the question of Israel and foreign policy. By combining election analysis, foreign policy realism, mental health critique, and intra-right conflict, the show challenges prevailing narratives and gives voice to a changing populist mood. Clayton and Natalie embrace the language, anger, and hopes of their audience, promising a continued fight against establishment propaganda and for “America First” populism.

Transcript

[Clayton]

Thank you for sticking with us. We had some technical difficulties. I don't know, huge outage everywhere. So across all of our major platforms, something happened to the servers. I don't know what's going on. Anyway, we're here and we've got a lot of news to get to here on your Wednesday. So thank you for sticking with us. Really appreciate that. We're going to talk about the election night results last night and why now. There are there's a lot of postmortems happening in the mainstream media right now, but they're all really avoiding, I think, one of the biggest issues right now. We're going to tackle that we why did Democrats win so big? Why did Republicans get hammered? And is this a, say, a harbinger of things to come for maybe JD Vance trying to run for president a number of years from now? We're going to look at all of that today.

[Natalie]

Or is this just plain fools for us? Because this is a cycle. If you're an adult now, you've been through it. You vote for someone, they disappoint you. You switch to the other party, they disappoint you. How many times are we going to do this before we realize it's a uni party? I'm just curious. Ring in on that. We're also going to talk about war with Russia because we have a guest who says that it is too late for a peace treaty with Russia. That ship has sailed. So we're going to talk about that. We're also going to talk about a new study that shows that suicide prevention for young people doesn't work. So maybe we should leave them the f alone. What do you say? I'm going to show you some data on that.

[Clayton]

Also, we're going to talk about Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, the gloves are off. The new war sort of inside the conservative movement right now. Not a new war, but now it's just exploded. And finally Ben Shapiro is finally acknowledging or having actually using the words Nick Fuentes when he's actually talking about him. I think the gloves are off and this is a big moment, I think, for people in the conservative movement to pay attention to. So we're going to look at all of that and the explosion that's just happened over the past 24 hours. We'll get to all of that today on the show.

[Natalie]

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[Clayton]

Well, it's been a remarkable night to watch all of the sort of hand wringing from Fox News and other Israel first news outlets as to how in the world did a Muslim become the next mayor of New York City? Why did so many New York Jews vote for a Muslim socialist, Zohan Zohran Mandami, and not vote for a grandma killer Andrew Cuomo? It's an interesting question. Almost 70% of young New York City Jews voted for a Muslim mayor who vowed to divest from Israel instead of focusing on New York City. Mandami literally said he was concerned about Israel. He was concerned. He wasn't concerned about Israel. He's concerned about New York Watch. Mayor Adams just signed this deal between New York City and Israel to launch this New York City Israel Economic Council to strengthen economic ties between the two. Would you consider that council? Would you continue it? I think that what we need is a mayor who is squarely focused on the affairs of New York City. He's looking for an economic tie here. So you're saying that it's a no, you would not consider politics aside of what Eric Adams is trying to do, is it a good idea to have this partnership with Israel for the economic ties? That's not something that I would pursue. Okay. Overall, a third of New York City Jews voted for a Muslim who's not really interested in Israel at all. According to the exit polling, older Jews Voted for Cuomo, who's cozy with Netanyahu, of course. Mamdani, by the way, who is cozy with the Soros family. So I guess pick your poison, really. So in the end, it was the Jewish vote that really carried Mamdani into office. Remember, during the New York City mayor's debate, as reporter Glenn Greenwald reminded me, one of the most interesting moments came when all of the candidates were asked which country they would visit first when they became mayor of New York City. Country will you go to after you become mayor of New York City? And the only one who said, I'm not going anywhere, I'm going to stay here in New York was Bom Dami.

[Jim Jotch]

Watch.

[Dan McAdams]

The first foreign visit by a mayor.

[Clayton]

Of New York is always considered significant. Where would you go first?

[Dan McAdams]

Left to right.

[Jim Jotch]

Ms. Adams, first visit?

[Ad Voice]

I would visit the Holy Land.

[Clayton]

Mr. Cuomo, given the hostility and the anti Semitism that has been shown in New York, I would go to Israel. Mr. Tilson, where would you go? Yeah, I'd make my fourth trip to Israel, followed by my fifth trip to Ukraine. Two of our greatest allies fighting on the front lines of the global war on terror. Mr. Mamdani, I would stay in New York City. My plans are to address New yorkers across the five boroughs and focus on that.

[Natalie]

Mr. Mamdani, can I just jump in? Would you visit Israel as mayor?

[Clayton]

I will be doing. As the mayor, I'll be standing up for Jewish New Yorkers, and I'll be meeting them wherever they are across the five boroughs, whether that's in their synagogues and temples or at their homes or at the subway platform. Because ultimately, we need to focus on delivering on their concerns.

[Natalie]

And just yes or no, do you believe in a Jewish state of Israel?

[Clayton]

I believe Israel has the right to exist as a Jewish state, as a state with equal rights. He won't say it has a right to exist as a Jewish state. Be very.

[Dan McAdams]

And his answer was no, he won't visit Israel.

[Clayton]

I said that. That's what he was trying to say. No, no, no. Unlike you, I answered very directly. He literally said that right at the beginning. No, I won't go to Israel. I'm going to stay here. I'm going to stay right here at home. But anyway, nevertheless. So Patriotic Blonde put up this poll a short time ago. Why do you think the Republicans lost so badly last night? Overwhelming response from those polls. I mean, normally you get a poll of about a thousand people. This has almost 4,000 people. Israel first policies was the answer. Thomas Massie. Congressman Thomas Massie posted this to avoid a repeat of last night's shellacking in the 2026 midterms. Republicans should quit covering for pedophiles, put America before Israel, put farmers before corporations, quit funding wars abroad, reduce spending to control inflation and quit attacking independent voices.

[Natalie]

I thought that was the platform that they ran on in 2024, if I'm recalling correctly. I was here. I, I go here.

[Dan McAdams]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah. So joining us to discuss this pendulum switch or, or something. We're going to see what we think it is collectively is Dan McAdams.

[Clayton]

Dan, great to see you.

[Dan McAdams]

Hello. Good to see you guys again.

[Natalie]

All right, so what do you make of this, this election right now? And do you agree that Republicans are pissed and they see that they have not been given the wishes that they voted for in 2024?

[Dan McAdams]

Well, I swear, when you ran that last clip, I thought it was that famous Saturday night.

[Natalie]

I thought so, too.

[Clayton]

That didn't run.

[Dan McAdams]

I literally thought what it was. And I mean, it's very clear. Mandani said something different. Everyone else said the exact same thing. This isn't rocket science. Here's someone who's different now. All the things that they say about him and even all the things that I think a lot of voters who are concerned about our Middle east policy or may pro Muslim voters are, are about to be this disappointed. I'm just like the Palestinians were when they celebrated the election of Obama, who proceeded to bomb them for eight years. So all of the crazy stuff about him is, is, I'm sure, is way exaggerated. I'm sure he's going to do some stupid things. That's what they do in politics. But I think it does, absolutely. It's a thermometer, it's a barometer of the shifting tone, the shifting level of interest in the American people on, on this administration's policies. And it's reflected in recent polls. A poll came out, a CNN poll that they've been doing every month came out, I think two days ago yesterday. It showed the lowest support for president, lowest approval rate. I think it was 37%. The last one in July was 41%. But here's something important, guys. When they looked at the 18 to 29, it was down to 27%. That's an 11 point drop from February. So clearly President Trump had a lot of support from young people early on. The things that he was saying, the doge, the focusing on the economy. And what did they get for. They got Lindsey Graham and they got Marco Rubio and they're saying that's it. We're sick of it. We don't want it anymore.

[Clayton]

Yeah, I thought particularly the young people vote here. Dan was really unbelievable. So among young people, I mean, they overwhelmingly voted for him. They overwhelmingly voted for Mondami and they also, the young Jewish vote. Like I said, 70% of Jews, young Jews voted for Mamdani. And I just want to play this for you. This is a group of Orthodox Jews, and they were there saying exactly because people are like, how. Why would Jews vote for Mom Dhami? They answered it. They said exactly why they were voting.

[Rabbi David Feldman]

Listen, my name is Rabbi David Feldman. I'm with Natur International. We are standing here on the steps of New York City City Hall. And we are here while we are unfortunately seeing this terrible intimidation against candidates for mayor here in the city, Mr. Mamdani. And this is disturbing to so many Jewish people. This harassment and these intimidations is about his brave stance to speaking up to what he believes is right. And he's speaking up against the crimes being committed to the Palestinian people. Now they are condemned, condemning him as anti Semitic because he is against the state of Israel. This is misleading. This is unjust, and this is dangerous. We need politicians to be on the right side of history and to speak up for the oppressed. We as New Yorkers, we as citizens of the United States, we should admire the brave politicians and we should give them the freedom to express what they believe is right. And we encourage people, voters to vote what is in the interest of our city and not in the interest of a foreign country, the state of Israel, and certainly not in the interest of crimes being committed the other side of the world.

[Clayton]

We as Jewish people say, Dan, I mean, people are like a lot of hand wringing. Like, why would they do that? Why would they do that? Well, they just said it.

[Natalie]

It's a racist question again, like, why do black people vote Republican? I reject it, but let's discuss it anyway.

[Dan McAdams]

Yeah, it's a great group. They supported Dr. Paul's presidential campaigns, the same group. And you know, and they're. They're written off as, oh, they're crazy. They're a bunch of crazies. Well, look what President Trump said on the eve of the election. Any Jews in New York who vote for him are idiots. I mean, that's not very smart. That's not a very smart way of. Of doing things. And, and what did the young Jews say? They said, okay, you call us idiots, we're going to be idiots. We're going to vote for Mondani now. I don't think he's as anti Israel as our rabbi friend would say would have claimed. We did see that picture of him with Alex Soros. So I don't think he's, he's in any way anti Jewish or anti Semitic. But nevertheless it's, I mean this is reflected. America has seen for the past couple of years, intensifying this year under the Trump administration, a real genocide. Live streamed. Uh, and now when this, when the temporary ceasefire uh, has taken place, we've seen even more video from inside of Gaz and we've seen what's happened in America and thankfully the American right and the American Christian right to a larger degree than ever in the past have said enough is enough. Now they may want to protect Christians more in the area, that's fine. But the fact of the matter is while we're seeing Christians persecuted in places like Gaza, we're seeing President Trump meeting with Jelani, the head of Al Qaeda in Syria, who's now the self appointed president of Syria, a guy who personally when he became self appointed president, the first thing he did was start killing a bunch of Christians. So people, people aren't stupid, they see what's going on.

[Natalie]

But part of me feels like that's cute, you know, your first time being disappointed by your vote, like so many of us have been for decades. So how long until we learn that, you know, the party that you have hope for is going to let you down. You may then go to the other party, they're going to let you down. Something that. Who was it? Scott Horton recently said partisan politics demeans us all. What do we do now? I mean, are we going to let our kids go through this flip flop like we have?

[Dan McAdams]

Well, it's a tough decision. I made the decision many years ago back in 2002 that I wouldn't vote anymore and I stopped voting then. So my solution to the problem that you very, very adeptly explain is that I'm out. You know, I'm not going to play Tweedledee and Tweedledum anymore. There's a theoretical at the time that I may vote again. In fact, when RFK announced and I started seeing some of the things he was saying from the beginning about with the COVID I thought he was going to be good. But then he imploded on foreign policy and I said, oh, I don't have to vote now. I can keep my record up. But the last person I voted for was Jim Webb in Virginia, a Democrat, a blue collar Democrat conservative from Virginia who unfortunately didn't win was a great, a great person in my opinion. It's, it's, the game is over, I think. And I just don't see, you know, you're going to get let down like you say.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Clayton]

You know, I look at JD Vance, there's this rift. You see like Laura Loomer out there and she was saying, you know, you've got to, you've got to distance yourself JD Vance. You've got to distance yourself from Tucker Carlson, otherwise you're not going to win the 2028 election. And then many others saying no, no, no. And the position I have is that if JD Vance really wants to like win maybe in a landslide, it's to disavow all of this foreign money in our government and to take a stand because you'd have hundreds of millions of Americans who would find like, you would be like, I'm gonna vote for this guy. Finally they would come out of the woodwork. The hundred, a million Americans that don't vote because they're so disillusioned by the uniparty, they would say, wait a minute, they're actually gonna take a stand against this? Where do you come down on that? I mean the, the J.D. vance question, the sort of rift right now, you got to disavow these Tucker Carlson's.

[Dan McAdams]

Yeah, I, I, I don't trust him. I wouldn't believe J.D. vance. He's on the team right now and he put out kind of a desperate post on X today saying, listen guys, this is what we need to do. It's not convincing anymore. I'll tell you what would make me jump out of my seat and re register and vote and that'd be a Thomas Massey ran. I would do it in a second, you know, and I think a lot of America would because a lot of America understands here's a guy who's not motivated by hate, he's not motivated by prejudice. He's not in it for the money. He's got plenty of money. He's not in it because he loves D.C. because he hates D.C. he's in it because he loves America. And that would get a lot of people. And that may not be enough because he would have the entirety of the media against him on the left and the right and they would all call him all sorts of names. But people like us who are disgusted, they would be likely to vote for someone who you know is going to tell the truth. He's always told the truth. You know, the entire time he's been in office, he's Told the truth.

[Clayton]

Yeah.

[Dan McAdams]

And President Trump is going to campaign against him and campaign for Lindsey Graham. So that tells you everything. You know, people are sick of President Trump doing boneheaded things. We've had enough of it.

[Natalie]

What do you make of Democrats who might be taking a victory lap? What is their policy? Because Democrats still have a high unfavorability rating. I think they just sort of caught the fruit that was fallen from the tree. No one seems to be riled up about what Democrats platform is because we don't know what the hell it is.

[Clayton]

It's free. Free stuff.

[Dan McAdams]

Yeah. No, they. They don't have a platform and they don't care that they don't have a platform, because what will make all the difference in the midterms is not what the Democrats offer. It's going to be people who were motivated by Trump, people who hadn't voted in a while, young people who hadn't voted at all, and they don't vote. Minorities who voted in record numbers for President Trump. These are the people who are going to be okay. We trusted it again. We tried to kick the football game. We landed up on our ass. So we're going to go home, we're not going to go out. That's going to be the difference this time. There was a very small, you know, relatively small group of the electorate who got President Trump elected. They wanted doge and what do they get? The middle finger. They wanted no foreign wars. What did they get? We're going to invade Venezuela, for God's sake.

[Clayton]

Why?

[Dan McAdams]

Nobody knows. Maybe even Colombia. We're blowing up boats in the water. We don't know who's in them, and nobody seems to care. You know, that's what we're getting. We're getting President Trump, who stands up in front of the Knesset, the Israeli Parliament, and says, I've got donors who tell me what they want and they want me to do stuff for Israel, and I'm happy to do it and I don't care. Screw America. You know, I mean, people aren't stupid.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Clayton spoke to a group of young people this morning who had a more conservative bent. And they were enthusiastic about politics. And I think to myself, they can do it. When you see this enthusiastic cloud and they undercrowd and they understand foreign influence, they understand the need for small G government. What's gonna stop them? Because the people in power, the deep state, will try to manipulate them from the dream that was Rome, to borrow from Gladiator.

[Dan McAdams]

Well, the problem is, if Ron Paul was here in the room with us right now. And others would say it's because government is too big, it does too much. And when it's sitting there hanging out in front of you, you're going to start, you're going to start playing with the levers of it. You can't, you can't. You're going to want to try the ring on. You want to try it on. Hey, I can use it for good. Just let me try it on. That's what the problem is. The problem is the ring itself.

[Clayton]

That's so powerful. It really is. It is like Lord of the Rings. Don't put it on, don't put it on. You know, we could all learn something from George Washington, who, you know, made sure that really led us down that road of saying, don't try it on, don't put it on. That's not why we're here as a nation. We need to get back to that. That's actually part of what I talked about this morning, actually, with these, these young, these young conservatives. So, Dan, great to see you. Thank you so much for this. I think it's going to be really interesting to watch in this as we approach the full on midterms here, how this will all play out and where the money will settle and what sort of hand wringing is going to happen and postmortem will happen in the lead up to that. It's going to be fascinating to watch. Dan, as always, thank you so much. We know we had all sorts of shit show of technical issues today. Thank you for suffering through it with us. We appreciate it.

[Dan McAdams]

Well, thanks for having me on, guys. It's great to see you.

[Clayton]

Always. Thanks, Dan. Great to see you as well.

[Natalie]

All right, coming up, we're going to talk about whether or not a ceasefire with Russia, a peace deal with Russia, is just a pipe dream at this point. Jim Jotch is a former State Department adviser and he says, yeah, that Putin's done. He's just going to win the war. We're just going to sit back and watch. So we're going to talk about that in a second. But first, Clayton will tell you about our friends over at Bearskin, because it's getting chilly out.

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[Natalie]

Well, it's too late for a peace treaty with Russia. The jig is up. This ship has sailed. The book is closed. Clayton, you want to add any. The fat lady has sung.

[Clayton]

Yes, the fat lady has sung.

[Natalie]

Okay, well, that's what Jim Jotra said. He's a former State Department diplomat and an expert on US Russian relations. He is also, I want to point out, an original gangster for independent thinkers. He sent me this photo this week and I had to show it off. This is Jim and two non interventionalist America first pioneers, Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan. So he knows that of which he speaks when he speaks of foreign intervention, and he's here to warn us. Jim, do you have any other idioms you want to. The pants are fallen, the laundry's done. Let's just keep going.

[Jim Jotch]

Okay, let's. Let's. Let's stop. Let's stop with the pants right there. First off, I want to commend you guys for the great tribute you did to Pat Buchanan you the other day. That was just really magnificent. I mean, one of the greatest Americans I've ever Had the honor of meeting, and you guys really hit the nail on the head. So I really appreciate that. Yeah, well, okay. Back to the pants. I wouldn't say it's too late for a peace deal. I would say there never was any prospect for a peace deal that if you look at how dysfunctional the American government is, even if Trump really wanted to make a deal with the Russians, I don't think it could be implemented. I don't think he could make the American government do what he wants them to do. And even if he managed to do that for the balance of his term, it would not be honored in the long term. And I think the Russians don't want to admit that to themselves. They haven't wanted to all along. Oh, they went to Anchorage, they presented some proposals. Trump seemed to agree with them. And it didn't even last until the end of the meeting before Trump had walked it all back. I think the Russians are starting to figure that out. The question is, what do they do with it? We have this unfortunate upward spiral of escalation where the one side, the Western side that doesn't hold any cards keeps throwing more chips in and raising the stakes and escalating, and the other side that holds all the cards doesn't want to call, doesn't want to actually finish the war militarily, would rather the other side fold. So they'll keep incrementally raising the heat, taking more Ukrainian territory, killing more Ukrainian soldiers, and then saying, okay, now will you face reality? Will you now fold your cards? And we're not going to do that. So I think we've got this, really, this. This cycle that there's no way to escape from. It's going to keep escalating until one or two things happen. It seems to me either the Russians decide that there is not going to be any deal that they actually go for the jugular. Take out the Kiev regime, kill off the presidential administration, the rada, the military intelligence, the secret police, and so forth, essentially liquidate Ukrainian state. Or somebody crosses a line somewhere that nobody expected, and this thing becomes a direct conflict between NATO and Russia. I don't know which of those two things is going to happen, but those are the only two paths I see at this point.

[Clayton]

And what is so Putin in all of this right now? I know one of the notes you had sent over earlier, and you think one of the upshots here is this, this is going to continue to escalate at a time when war with Venezuela is looming and then, God knows, Nigeria, whatever else we're like whatever boondoggle we're going into right now. So Putin's gotta be sitting there saying, and the US has no Tomahawk missiles left. They've completely like almost like dried themselves up right now. The Europeans, I mean, God knows what, what a disaster they are at this point. And so the lines that we think Ukraine exists at at this point, where Odessa is still part of Ukraine, where these other areas are still part of Ukraine, I mean, we're talking about Ukraine not being a country very soon if this continues. Am I seeing it wrong?

[Jim Jotch]

Well, I think it's a little premature. Cause remember, the Russians control about one fifth of the territory of pre war Ukraine. So they're a long way, at least on a territorial basis, from saying Ukraine will not be a state anymore. The question is, when the Ukrainian army crumbles, which it may do at some point, what do they do with that? Do they come back and renew their demands from really June of last year, which are actually fairly minimal. You get out of the four oblasts that the Russians claim as Russian territory, now agree to neutrality, demilitarization, denazification, and at that point they'll agree to a ceasefire. I keep asking myself what would happen if the west actually accepted those terms. You would end up essentially with not the west winning, but the west not losing either. You end up with a Korea kind of situation where you have a demilitarized zone between a Russian zone and a NATO zone and a permanent frozen conflict, which is what the Russians say they want to avoid. So I think that's kind of the trap that the west would like the Russians to fall into. Unfortunately, they can't even spring their own trap. They can't even offer enough of an incentive for the Russians to bite. Now, maybe when the Russians complete taking control of all the rest of the Donbas, the line between a ceasefire line and what their constitutional demands are really has, has. Has evaporated. In the meantime, as I say, we're going to see escalation. We're going to see more deep strikes into Russian territory that the Russians threaten severe consequences for, but they never do anything about because they're afraid. Not afraid, but they don't want to see escalation. Nonetheless, that invites a perception of weakness and further escalation, which I think they're aware of, but they themselves don't know quite how to jump out of that box without doing something they think would raise the stakes considerably. And of course, the other thing you mentioned is Venezuela, I think we're increasingly seeing now, I don't think the war with Iran is over yet between the US And Israel against Iran. We're about to go into Venezuela by all indications. I think the separate theaters of what is essentially a conflict between the global American empire, the gay, as I call it, and the Eurasian bloc is increasingly becoming a single global conflict with several theaters that are starting to interconnect.

[Natalie]

Let's refer to the map because Russian state media, ria has continued to they have this update this map every day. What we're looking at right now is the red part is what was formerly eastern Ukraine and is now controlled by Russia. They voted, those people voted there to join Russia. They asked Russia to come in. The dark gray line there is where Russia defines the end of the war. And we have been watching this for now three years, and we watch as that red just bleeds to the left. Do you think that Russia is going to hit the end of that dark gray line and stop? Do you think that they're good for it? Because there had been rumblings that they would continue to Odessa and then Ukraine has really. No. No port land. No. They've taken all the, all the mining of the precious metals. Like then what? So, so let. Do we take this map at its word? Because I've been watching it for years.

[Jim Jotch]

Yeah, that's the question, Natalie, because remember, the Russians have always said that the territorial question is not the most important one for them. Yes, the four oblasts that they, you point to are constitutionally, from Moscow's point of view, part of Russian territory. But their other demands are demilitarization, denazification, and permanent stat neutral status for Ukraine. How do they accomplish those things if they, their forces don't go beyond the gray area that you pointed to on the map. How do they enforce that if there's still a Ukrainian state that's outside of their control, that is essentially an ally of NATO? I don't see how they do that. Now sometimes you hear people talking about binding treaty guarantees. What is the worth of a signature of the United States on a document these days? Can you trust it to be honored? Not only that, we go and smack people in Qatar when we're busy negotiating with them. I mean, there's simply not only no trust, I think, on the part of the Russian side, but no reason to trust us that even if an agreement were made addressing these other points, it wouldn't be worth the paper. It's written out. So I think that's the dilemma for the Russians. So I don't know what they will do once they get to that line.

[Clayton]

I guess one yes or no answer here, Jim, on this, because I got a follow up.

[Natalie]

Sure.

[Clayton]

Does Russia hold all the cards?

[Jim Jotch]

Yeah. Yeah. Militarily they do. Yes.

[Clayton]

So if Russia holds all the cards, then what does Russia want? What does Russia want? To end this thing. If they hold all the coins.

[Jim Jotch]

What they want. What they want is the terms they've reiterated over and over again. Demilitarization, denazification, neutrality, the 400 plus Crimea. The question is, how can they secure that in a way that actually they can trust? And I don't think they know the answer to that. They would rather have an agreement. They want us to fold our cards. We're not going to do that. Let's remember, Clayton, at the beginning of this war really wasn't the beginning, let's say the beginning of this phase of the war in February 2022, the Plan A was for the Russians to come in shock and awe, destroy the Ukrainian state, occupy all of Ukraine, and then we could bleed them white in kind of an Afghanistan style scenario. That's obviously not what they planned. They plan to come in, they'll make a show of force, the other side will say, oh my goodness, I guess the Russians are serious, we better agree to their terms. Well, that didn't happen and I don't think it's going to happen. So I think that's where the dilemma is for them. They may have to occupy a lot more of Ukraine, maybe all of Ukraine, in order to make sure that their other goals, not just the territorial ones, but the denazification, demilitarization and so forth, are accepted. But they really, really don't want to do that.

[Clayton]

Yeah, I mean, to try to have to rule. It's already the largest country in the world. Right. Do they want to rule more land? And then do they want to rule a group of individuals who don't want to be ruled by them? But how difficult is it to try to root out Nazis? I mean, you're, I mean, they're, they're so ensconced in that government. I, I don't know.

[Dan McAdams]

I don't.

[Clayton]

Yeah, there's got to be some sort of agreement. I don't know how in the world.

[Jim Jotch]

You can rid them. It would be a. For. It would be a formidable task. Honestly, Clayton, I don't think it's as bad as it might look on the outside. Let's remember, except for the far, far west of Ukraine, all of Ukraine was either part of the Soviet Union or before that, part of the Russian empire. And I've talked to People from all over Ukraine, and a lot of them are anything but nationalists, they basically will play the game. Well, the nationalists here, the Banderas are here. Whatever they want, we just want a peaceful life. We'll agree with them. What happens when the Russian comes? Well, whatever, the same thing, whatever they want, we'll go along with it. We just want to have a peaceful life. I think actually the prospect of an Afghanistan, like insurgency in Ukraine, if the Russians had to take far, far than they're demanding, is a lot less than people think. But obviously it's a risk.

[Clayton]

Interesting. No, I think you're. That. That's a great point. People just want to live a peaceful life. And you might have the banderites and you might have these Nazis in there, but it might not be as bad.

[Natalie]

Well, I mean, imagine, okay, the war's over. You're not going to be kidnapped to war. And also, we have an economy where our grocery stores are full. So I don't know, that's pretty good deal for Ukraine.

[Jim Jotch]

And of course, the other alternative is the Russians take whatever they decide to take and then they set up another Ukrainian state, a kind of a rump state, which is essentially a puppet state of Russia. It becomes like another Belarus, where. Where it's closely tied to Russia. It's not truly an independent state, just. Just like our allies are truly independent states. And that is the future of Ukraine at that point. That also may be quite workable. I don't know to what extent they have that in mind.

[Clayton]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Thank you, Jim, for your patience for coming on the show. It's always great to see, to see you, to hear from you. Please come back soon.

[Clayton]

Thanks, Jim. Great to see you.

[Jim Jotch]

Thank you. Thank you so much.

[Natalie]

All right, coming up, I want to talk about this new study. Jama, the Journal of American Pediatrics, is admitting that suicide prevention for young people does not work. So maybe they should leave our kids the F alone. That's not what they're saying they're going to do. They're admitting what they are doing is not working, so they need to do more. But we parents are hip to that, so stay with us. And we're going to have a. We're gonna have a hate session about mental health and all of that stuff. You're gonna enjoy it. I think I will. Anyway, so stick around for that.

[Clayton]

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[Natalie]

Well, a new study shows that suicide prevention for young people does not work. This disturbing truth, though, behind this that they do not admit is that mental health professionals never had any proof that they did. So all of this stuff we see saturated in young people, suicide hotlines, suicide prevention, suicide education, they never had any data that any of it would work. Meaning they've been experimenting on children in real time. All the while, the suicide rate has gone up for young people. Now, if you're a parent of school age kids, you know this, that kids hear about suicide all the time these days. All the time. It's not just in school, but other places too. My son, he joined a swim team and they said, oh, this year we have a mental health coach to go along with the swim team. I looked at the permission slip and it said that this person would call the authorities if they thought that there was something that some flag in my son that they would bring in other people. I was like, no, thank you. Absolutely not. We're not having other people talk to him about mental health and suicide prevention. My daughter, I took her to the doctor because she had pneumonia. I said, I checked in online. They said, oh, well, this form is for her. I looked at it, three questions. One, have you ever attempted to hurt yourself? Have you ever thought about suicide? And number three, have you ever thought about violently hurting your family or friends? And I said, absolutely not. She, I handed the clipboard right back. She will not be filling this out. And this practice needs to do the research about social contagion of suicide and violence. It was just a receptionist. She looked at me with wide eyes and just took it back. I was furious. But suicide talk is everywhere, you guys, for young people everywhere. How can you constantly tell children that some people deal with pain by killing themselves and then think that you are preventing it? Maybe people working in the suicide industry are well meant, but for all their focus on suicide, they really only get part of it. According to a 2022 New Yorker piece, the rates of teen suicide have doubled from 2017 to 2017, incidentally, when it became commonplace to talk about it. But suicide, like every Other mental condition has an element of social contagion. And psychologists have known this for decades and they ignore the data. Anything, anything. Ptsd, you get more of it. Bulimia, anorexia, transgenderism. We've seen that happen right before our very eyes. Incidentally, reporters know this too. My first job was a reporter in the San Francisco Bay Area. Every newspaper and media outlet in the San Francisco Bay Area has a rule against covering Golden Gate Bridge. So suicides, we just don't do it because we know that it romanticizes it to a point where we get more. Here's how Abigail Schreier puts it in her book Bad Therapy that the virality of suicide and sexual self harm is well established. Study after study has shown that media reports of suicide increases incidents. And in fact, since the 80s there was a study in Austria that proved just that. And yet we put put this on our children over and over again. Here's one study she found that is currently given out to children in Delaware. It Sundays the next three questions will be asking you about attempted stuff, suicide. And the question says sometimes people feel so depressed about the future that they may consider attempting suicide or killing themselves. That's suggestive that showing them like if you feel bad, this is how some people deal with it. Maybe they would never have otherwise considered that. They are absolutely saturated. Nobody studied the effectiveness or the danger of giving that to kids. They just did it. They just experimented on those kids. So we have a right to be mad. What the JAMA study does not show though is that actually I'm jumping ahead of myself. What the JAMA study does show is that none of this helps. They analyzed cognitive behavior therapy, social based prevention programs, medication crisis lines, gatekeeper training. None of these showed any reduction in in suicide rates in teens or young adults. And again, they were never proven that they did. Adult adults just sort of wiggled their way in and started trying this shit out. Now another link that the article ignores besides contagion is antidepressant drugs or SSRIs. For many of them, the known side effect is suicidality. It's on the label. So maybe do you think that that's working against you, given how many kids now are put on antidepressants and the suicide rates are up. The article ignores that. It's crazy. Just this week HHS Secretary RFK Jr. Said that the government is going to be looking at that. He says the CDC is finally going to confront this issue about whether SSRIs and other psychoactive drugs contribute to mass violence and violence against yourself. Suicide as well, you should watch the video that's here. I'm only going to show you the first 20 seconds from a nineteen 1991 FDA hearing on the matter. This is not new.

[Clayton]

The topic for today's advisory committee meeting is the possibility of a causal linkage between the emergence and or intensification of suicidal thoughts and acts, suicidality that is, and or other violent behaviors and the use of antidepressant drugs.

[Natalie]

Now another thing that we've seen in our community happen is that this suicide education puts a heavy emphasis on recognizing it in your friends. If you see something in your friend, tell on them. Tell an adult. Report it. The problem is when you put this emphasis on policing, then if this happens in your community, the surviving members feel guilt. And in fact, this happened in my son's freshman year. There was a girl who took her life. She was on the cheer team. And then almost all of the cheerleaders were on suicide watch because they felt like they had missed it. They felt like it was their problem that they didn't catch it because for so many years education had been telling them to catch this in your friends. You should not put this on children. It's the adults that should own this stuff, not their peers. Full stop. But think about it. This also gives the government now the power to analyze and track these kids under the guise of mental health. Health. And something Philip has said many times on this show, that the law of the land allows you to refuse medical treatment. It does not allow you to refuse mental health treatment. So if the government thinks that you are a mental health risk, you belong to them. That's why I tell my children all the time, no school surveys, no conversations about mental health in school. Nothing that can give the school the power to track you. Put something on a record that will stay on your record your whole life. Nothing. Not even like how often does your family eat dinner together? Do your parents help with homework? Nothing. They are. It is la casa nostra in this house. And I think that you should tell your kids the same. Now back to that JAMA study showing that suicide prevention does not work. What the authors conclude is that they need novel developmentally and trauma informed treatments and multi level intervention. I don't know what the hell this is. What does this mean? They've just admitted that they failed and now they're saying we're going to try some other weird shit. Uh, my, what my vote would be is that the people who failed to stop suicide and may have made it worse should not be the ones to come up with what comes next, especially if they're ignoring social contagion and antidepressants as a cause. So f those people is what I want to say. Let me know what you think of this. It's a very sensitive topic and I'm furious at how we failed these people by just experimenting on them.

[Clayton]

It's awful. All right, F these people appreciate that.

[Natalie]

That's how I feel.

[Clayton]

All right, coming up, we're going to talk about Ben Shapiro versus Tucker Carlson. Finally, the gloves are off. Ben Shapiro decided to devote his entire show to it and, and, and, and against Nick Fuentes as well. There's this massive rift right now in the conservative movement. Those like Ben Shapir in and so forth, who want to put Israel first and of course are blaming anybody who wants to put America first, who wants to stand up and make sure that our money is repatriated here at home inside the United States. We're not funding foreign wars, that we are somehow anti Semitic. We heard that from them. They use the term anti Semitic to describe America First. So America first is now anti Semitic. Screw you. We're going to talk all about that in a second. But first, if you've been seriously injured, your case could be worth millions. And you should know exactly what your rights are. That's why I want to tell you about Morgan and Morgan. They're America's largest injury law firm with over a thousand attorneys working in all 50 states. And unlike a lot of firms that settle quickly, Morgan and Morgan doesn't take low ball offers from insurance companies. Just in the past few months, they won $12 million in Florida when the insurance company offered only $350,000. And in New York, they secured 6.8 million on a case where the offer was just $275,000. And the best part, it's absolutely free unless you win. Insurance companies try to pay out as little as possible. Morgan to Morgan fights to get you more if you become their client. It only takes a few minutes to see if you have a case. And you can do it right from your phone. It's that easy. You can visit forthepeople.com redacted or you can click the link in the description to get started.

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[Clayton]

Well, the gloves are now off between Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro. If they were really ever on. Over the past few months, I've been waiting for Tucker to finally wipe the floor with the Israel First Jew. Ben Shapiro, the man who says that he would gladly waive the Born in the USA requirement for the presidency of Benjamin Netanyahu in the United States. To become President of the United States, you want a literal demon running our executive branch of our government? Satan incarnate. The guy is literally Satan incarnate. You want that guy leading our country? Okay. Disgusting. Okay. Get the hell out of here. So, Ben Shapiro, who said we should stop asking questions about the Epstein files. That happened a long time ago, so don't ask any more questions. Oh, by the way, I just. I believe the government's official line on it. So stop asking questions about it. Don't look into the Epstein ties to Israel at all. Just keep, you know, look away from all of that. Look the other way. Yes, the same. Ben Shapiro is now in full damage control. Turns out a lot of people don't want to watch the Daily Wire anymore. That's kind of shocking. No wonder that his company is laying off a bunch of people as their views dried up. All of that investor money that propped him up is now rearing its ugly head. They've lost the ability to manufacture narratives, control public opinions. We're done with you. And Eagle Eye. Twitter observers, by the way, have noticed something really phony about Daily Wire content. Like the amount of likes to view ratio is really weird and off. Like it doesn't make sense. Why are these, like, fake views? They're wondering. It's a good question. The math doesn't add up. Millions of people watching the videos and very few likes. It's kind of weird. Where are all those views coming from, by the way? Hope it's not a bot. Hope it's like not a bot farm somewhere, because that would be pretty shady and I'm sure the investors probably wouldn't like that. It'd be interesting to look into that. They probably. It probably won't make investors happy. So anyway, so a few years ago, Ben Shapiro wouldn't even say Nick Fuentes his name. He would talk around his name. But he can't avoid it now because. Because conservatives like Nick and Tucker, who are America first, are now winning. So he has to use their names. Now Ben Shapiro does. Shapiro finally addresses it. Make sure you buy his book, which is right there in the shot, taking on Nick and Tucker by name. Spent a whole show doing it, saying that he will not allow the conservative movement to fall into their hands. And he devoted the whole show. Sorry. And he devoted the whole show to talking down to America first conservatives like he's some kind of conservative gatekeeper.

[Nick Fuentes]

Watch, sir, is no. No to the groipers. No to their publicists like Tucker Carlson. No to those who champion them. No to demoralization. No to bigotry and anti meritocratic horseshit. No to anti Americanism. No. This is our country, this is our party. And this is our conservative movement. And I will not stand by while it is handed over to those who betray the most fundamental principles. I have spent my entire life defending and advocating. That is a path to defeat and a path to moral oblivion. I reject it because if we lose the right, we will lose to the left and either way, we'll lose the country. I'm Ben Shapiro. This is the Ben Shapiro Show.

[Clayton]

So this is our America. This is. Who is our. By the way, who are these people that you're saying the country belongs to Me? Who is this hour? Who's this collective hour that you're talking about? What do you mean by that exactly? Sorry, pal, a little too late. And what's hilarious, as Nick pointed out, Shapiro did this whole show with no ads. Meaning he knows how seriously, the Daily Wire. The Daily Wire is in trouble here. He did the whole show, no ads, just to do this particular segment. Listen to Nick.

[Nick Fuentes]

But today it was a clip show. Today it was like a full fledged Fuentes Updates clip show. It was like America's Funniest Videos. One clip after the 40 minutes. No ads. That's how you know they mean business. When Ben Shapiro turns down the money from the advertisers. When Ben Shapiro doesn't do, let's say 50 ad reads in a 50 minute video. That's how you know they mean business. He will literally do an ad read at a pro life march in person. He will give a speech in real life at a pro life march about abortion. And he will stop and do an ad read for ZipRecruiter. But when you're talking about antisemitism. There's simply no time. There's no time. We mean business because this is something we really care about. No ads, 40 minute video and about 50% of it was just my clips. Fuentes this, Fuentes that. He's a Nazi, sexist Holocaust denier. Whoa, you're sounding like you're giving me like Bill. Mayor Rachel Maddow, what is this? I thought Shapiro was against sjws. Now he sounds like one of them. I thought he was against liberal.

[Natalie]

He says Bill Mayer like it's not his generation. He doesn't even have to know who Bill Maher is. I kind of love that. Who gives a shit?

[Clayton]

So, yeah, and, and so he, Fuentes and Tucker both hit on this violence theme. And I think this is hits at the core of it and the core of the argument here, which is you get to lecture Tucker, you get to lecture Nick Fuentes about violence. You get to look down your nose when but 2 million people are being killed, babies are being shot. Listen to Nick talk about the violence, hypocrisy.

[Nick Fuentes]

So I get called a Nazi. They tell me they're going to neutralize me. They say that I'm vermin. And that's fine because there's no accountability for Jewish people at all. As long as you're Jewish, as long as you support Israel, everyone knows there's no accountability. You can say whatever you want. You can do whatever you want. You can say about the Palestinians, kill them all, and that's fine. You can say kill 2 million people and you're fine. You're not genocidal. You're not a racial supremacist. You're not violent because you're Jewish and you're pro Israel. And God knows you can't criticize God's chosen people. Josh Hammer can say Tucker Carlson should be neutralized like an animal, and that's fine. No one's gonna criticize that. That's not violent. That doesn't tend towards anything bad because he's a pro Israel Jew. So there's no accountability. You can, like Mark Levin, say, these people are vermin, they're our enemy, they're anti American. Once again, you're fine. You could be Lindsay Graham and say, we're killing everyone we want. We ran out of bombs. But if you say America shouldn't support Israel now, you're the irredeemable, reprehensible, anti Semitic Holocaust denier. And it's violent. Stop. Just stop. Just stop. Just stop the cap. No one's buying that anymore.

[Clayton]

The cap something my daughter says. Cap Tucker, though, on Dave Smith's show, didn't hold back anymore, specifically on the violence piece of this, because this is at the heart of it for, I think, like, young people across the board. The genocide, the killing of innocent people, the using the United States to do it, using American tax dollars to do it. You want to say you're America first? He said, screw you. You're not America first. You love violence and war, and you want Americans to feel guilted into supporting your bullshit. And we're over it. You're openly pro violence, and you're openly pro killing children in a genocide with. We're done.

[Ad Voice]

Listen, people like Ben Shapiro and Josh Hammer and Ted Cruz, you know, all these people, like, they think in terms of groups. And that's what Levin said to me. It's like, my group, people are hurting my group. And it's like, if your group means your family, you know, people you love, I get it. But if you're thinking purely in terms of your ethnic group, which is what he is saying, then you inevitably become very hateful toward other ethnic groups, actually. And in Ben's line about Ron Paul, who's like, commit totally committed nonviolence, by the way, you. You see that hatred. And so it does. I don't like it.

[Nick Fuentes]

I'm not.

[Ad Voice]

I'll just get right to it. I'm not afraid personally. I mean, I'm not going to talk. I mean, I didn't grow up, like, in the world that, you know, Seth Dillon grew up in, where you were encouraged, like, talk about yourself all the time. Narcissism was a true sin. Yeah, I never talk about. I try not to talk about myself in general, but, I mean, I know a lot about, you know, people trying to hurt me. Been there in a real way, and Which I've never talked about, not going to talk about now. But I'll just say I, like, know what that is. And I know that, you know, people like Seth Dylan or Ben Shapiro, you know, they get a lot out of wearing bulletproof vests and like, oh, I'm so under attack, and all this stuff. And it's like, the truth is they are openly pro violence. So how in the world could you justify killing tens of thousands of children or justify a pager attack, which is an act of terrorism, where you indiscriminately blowing people's genitals off, you don't know who's holding the pager. Yeah. And you're celebrating it. What are you celebrating? You're celebrating violence and they celebrate violence day after day. That's where their foreign policy comes from. That's where, that's what their worldview is, is strangling the neck of a Jew who even thinks that way, someone very often in violent terms. And so, and, and, and hateful terms. That's hate. And so people like that when aroused to hysteria. And I feel sorry for them. And I just want to say that again. Lindsay Graham, another violence worshipper, like the idea that they're promoting violence. Well, they've been promoting violence for decades because this whole project is about violence. It's about the thrill that they feel killing their enemies, the godlike power they imagine they have when they extinguish human life. That's the whole game for them. And we shouldn't like. So, oh, you're not promoting violence. Oh, you're definitely promoting violence. And that's why I oppose you.

[Clayton]

And that's it. That's it. That's at the heart of it. Shapiro and Levin and these clowns realize that their group is losing power fast. Americans have had enough. We're sick and tired of you lecturing us, telling us that conservatives can't be America for first because that's how somehow.

[Natalie]

Anti Semitic and even the most wimpy of them are saying Lindsey Graham over the weekend saying if you don't want to put Israel first and you want to be a Republican, we'll beat your brains out. Like we're afraid of Lindsey Graham. Like I think my 13 year old could defend themselves.

[Clayton]

My 9 year old girl, right, could take Lindsey Graham.

[Natalie]

He's saying he'll beat your brains out like he's an old man. It and that's violent speech. So I mean I don't think we've ever said on this show and we shouldn't and if we have, we should take it back. If you don't agree with me, I will beat you up. I wish you harm. That that's not. Who do they think they are talking to people like that? This is an elected person and if you vote for him, I have to know why. I have to the Lindsay Grahams of the world. I'm sorry I interrupted but this like wimpy people making threats is only scary because of the money in the army that we know are behind them.

[Clayton]

Well, and if you say, you know, you don't want to send billions of dollars to a corrupt government in Israel, that you're somehow anti Semitic, screw you. We're just done with your bullshit. Just because you support the shooting of babies in the head by IDF snipers who are on the record admitting they do it. You can whitewash it and walk away and say that they're future terrorists. We gotta shoot babies in the head. Okay, just because you support the murder of Christians in Gaza, you don't mind when the Israeli government destroys Christian churches? That's totally fine with you. Just because you support this violence and genocide doesn't mean I have to. I don't work hard every day to send my tax dollars to Israel so babies can be killed. It's not what I signed up for. By the way, if you ask any young person, just go around and ask any young person, hey, by the way, do you support American tax dollars being used, used to weaponize the idf, the Israeli soldiers and shooting people in women and children in the head. You down with that? We've had it with your insults. We're done. So way to go Tucker and way to go Nick. By the way, Dave Smith posted this after the interview. He said, so all of the worst people in the country gathered together to attack the great Tucker Carlson. I'll be doing a show about it tomorrow. It's going to be a big one. But for now I'll just say this. You will Cancer. Cancel Tucker Carlson over all of our dead effing bodies. You war thirsty scumbags have ruined everything for 25 years at least. And you will never kill the awakening of the American people, which is way overdue. I challenge all of you to debate this topic. I mean all of you. Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Randy Fine, Mark Levin, whoever else you want to bring against little old non expert me, I'll wreck all of you. But unfortunately, unfortunately we all know that you're all too much of a pussy to accept. Not a single one of you are man enough to defend your ideas. Dave Smith, Americans are sick and tired of being insulted with you and it's over. So that's all I want to say about that. But I just was glad that, you know, people are like, oh, Tucker finally pulled his gloves off. He did in a way. But I mean months and months ago on the Piers Morgan show, he called out, he called out Ben Shapiro's like bloodlust. And then Ben Shapiro tried to like defend it and say he, you know, that's not what he meant. And he, he, he was really talking about the civilian to terrorist ratio and Israel has the best killing ratio, like meaning the fewest civilians to terrorists get killed. He's like, I love that, I love that we have the best ratio. We, you know, we kill a few babies and we shoot them directly in the head. But we're totally fine to kill these terrorists, you know, because we got the great ratio together. We have the best ratio in history.

[Natalie]

Well, According to them, 1.5 civilians for every combatant is an acceptable ratio. They think that that's Israel being extremely careful with civilian lives. The problem is that Israel never is able to defend who they call a combatant and that they have adopted an Obama era policy that any male of military age is a combatant without having to prove it. That's why Obama droned so many civilians and got away with it because he was able to call them combatants. So yeah, that's what they say. And again, again, this is the conservative kill number that Zionists are saying is acceptable is 1.5 civilians to every combatant. And we can't even trust the, the coefficient, we don't know. Right. Because they can call anybody a combatant. So I guess that's fine with them.

[Clayton]

Well, and the thing is also that.

[Ad Voice]

The only thing they have is to.

[Clayton]

Resort to calling people anti Semites because.

[Ad Voice]

If you try to argue with them on any point, anything that Israel is doing, the annexation, the genocide, the soldiers doing what they're doing, they have no argument for anything.

[Dan McAdams]

So name calling is all they've got.

[Clayton]

Right? And we play the Orthodox Jews in New York City who voted overwhelmingly for Mandami, a Muslim. All these Jews are like, we don't support the genocide in Israel. And by the way, we don't want the mayor of our city kowtowing to Israel like, we are Jews and we don't want this and we will. But they, they use this like cloak of anti. Semitism. You're an anti Semite, you just. The word has lost all of its meaning now. Way to go, Netanyahu.

[Natalie]

Well, I've been reading Norm Finkelstein's book, who incidentally was on Candace Owens last weekend before I, I've picked up the book before then. And what he says, and he is the survivor of two Auschwitz parents, what he says is that when the state of Israel was instated, American Jews were worried that exactly this would happen. That the perception would be that their loyalty is more to Israel than America. And they very much wanted to assimilate. They did not want this to show their loyalty to a foreign government. How that happened is a PR manipulation. This is not originally what they wanted to do. It was a constant programming of the next generation that you are the children of victims and you have this cross to bear. And I mean, a lot of us are the Children of victims of World War II. I think I've said on this show that my grandfather survived the Imperial Japanese. That makes that puts me the same. I'm the same. In fact, the Imperial Japanese killed more people than the Nazis killed Jews. And yet. And so I was looking this weekend coming up, the Globe and Mail just had an article about how this upcoming Nuremberg movie starring Russell Crowe is more needed now than ever. Why do you think they would say that? Do we need a movie about the Imperial Japanese? For what purpose? Because there's no purpose now to label China as the victims. Why they need it is to tap into your programming that Jews are the victims perpetually more than other groups, which I've just proven to you they are not, in order to sell you this war. And so I just found that so odious the way that they like sure, Russell Crowe do a Nuremberg movie, absolutely do that. But the way the media is saying you must watch this right now, it's more needed than ever is interesting because they never say that about the Asians that you need to watch this to see what the Imperial Japanese did to us in order to what? There's no cell there. That's what I'm trying to say.

[Clayton]

Anthony Goodley in our chat says America has a massive deficit while Israel has a surplus. They do. They also have a space force. Yeah, they have a budget surplus. And Anthony says why the f do we send them a single dime while our own people are homeless and going hungry in the United States? Great question, Anthony. I wish we had the answer to that. Thomas Massie feels the same way about you. But anyone who questions it is labeled an anti Semite. How dare you ask that question. But when you ask that question about why are we sending money to Ghana or why are we sending money for circumcisions in whatever part of Africa, that's okay. And that's funny. And yeah, we got to cut that right away. We got to get rid of that spending. But why are we sending money to a country that has a budget surplus and a space force? It's ridiculous anyway.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Clayton]

All right.

[Natalie]

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[Clayton]

All right, thank you, guys. Yeah, we had all sorts of technical issues today on the show, so we appreciate you sticking with us here. And whether it was on X or Rumble, normally we have a lot more viewers on Rumble today, but because of our technical issues, people couldn't find the stream. So we apologize if you. There's a few of you that found us over over on Rumble, but normally we have tens of thousands of you, so we, we appreciate your patience, but we have many thousands of you over on YouTube. So you managed to find the stream.

[Natalie]

Once again, thank you so much.

[Clayton]

Thank you guys for joining us today. And yeah, we'll be back at 4pm Eastern Time tomorrow. Hopefully we'll be live at that time and hopefully we'll have all these kinks worked out. So we'll see you guys Tomorrow live at 4:00pm Eastern Time. Have a great night, everyone.